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His set up made me laugh at how over-staged some of the other set ups were (looking at you, John Elway and Mike Vrabel).
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I will admit that Rodgers didn't look good at several points last season, but this still feels too early for me. If it was like Tua or a prospect on that level, it would be different. But for Jordan Love?
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1253500956261539840
This guy is 5'11.
I don't really care for the Arnette pick, but I did say it was a must that the Raiders draft a WR and CB. So I got what I asked for there.
This guy is 5'11.
I don't really care for the Arnette pick, but I did say it was a must that the Raiders draft a WR and CB. So I got what I asked for there.
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A lot of legitimate 1st Round talent available tonight. Get your popcorn ready! Also Saints are reportedly trying to move up into the 2nd Round but may need to package a 3rd & a future pick to do so.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1253694735509749765
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https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1253694735509749765
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Also for 909 per ESPN: Thursday's first round was the most-watched NFL draft telecast ever, with more than 15.6 million people tuning in, the NFL announced Friday.
The record viewership -- which included numbers from ABC, ESPN, NFL Network, ESPN Deportes and digital channels -- broke the previous mark of 12.4 million viewers for the 2014 draft. The 15.6 million number also represents a 37% increase over the 2019 draft.
The record viewership -- which included numbers from ABC, ESPN, NFL Network, ESPN Deportes and digital channels -- broke the previous mark of 12.4 million viewers for the 2014 draft. The 15.6 million number also represents a 37% increase over the 2019 draft.
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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/draft/
Something to watch is when the Patriots take a QB either tonight or tomorrow. I think this also greatly explains why they prefer to take QBs in the 3rd Round or later that they can develop within their system.
Per Spotrac salary wise. First number is the projected overall contract value and the latter is the signing bonus.
Pick #37: $8,331,898 + SB $3,619,562
Pick #71: $4,768,596 + SB $1,089,679
Pick #87: $4,331,087 + SB $903,178
Pick #98: $4,057,645 + SB $832,294
Pick #100: $4,057,645 + SB $832,294
If the Patriots had taken Jordan Love at #23 as some media thought/expected them to this would've been the projected salary: 4 Years at $12,974,929 + SB of $6,996,312 with a 5th Year team option. By simply dropping back just 14 spots, they still are in a good spot for a QB at a substantially cheaper cost as well.
Green Bay will be paying Jordan Love $6.5 Million in signing bonus money and an average value of $3.096 Million per year to possibly sit for 2+ years behind Aaron Rodgers... while paying a large salary to Rodgers too.
Something to watch is when the Patriots take a QB either tonight or tomorrow. I think this also greatly explains why they prefer to take QBs in the 3rd Round or later that they can develop within their system.
Per Spotrac salary wise. First number is the projected overall contract value and the latter is the signing bonus.
Pick #37: $8,331,898 + SB $3,619,562
Pick #71: $4,768,596 + SB $1,089,679
Pick #87: $4,331,087 + SB $903,178
Pick #98: $4,057,645 + SB $832,294
Pick #100: $4,057,645 + SB $832,294
If the Patriots had taken Jordan Love at #23 as some media thought/expected them to this would've been the projected salary: 4 Years at $12,974,929 + SB of $6,996,312 with a 5th Year team option. By simply dropping back just 14 spots, they still are in a good spot for a QB at a substantially cheaper cost as well.
Green Bay will be paying Jordan Love $6.5 Million in signing bonus money and an average value of $3.096 Million per year to possibly sit for 2+ years behind Aaron Rodgers... while paying a large salary to Rodgers too.
IMO they will not take a QB. Belichick knows the team will be middle of the road and is going to accumulate ammo to trade up next year.
Cartman
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I don't think they draft a QB at all, or if they do it will be like 5th rd or later, because they already have the next Franchise guy.
Stidham is really not good, my man.
But Belichick is the smartest guy to ever run a football team. I'm pretty sure he knows this. Belichick is not the kind of guy who would ever tank, so he will keep the team somewhat competitive while accumulating trade ammo to take Justin Fields next year.
But Belichick is the smartest guy to ever run a football team. I'm pretty sure he knows this. Belichick is not the kind of guy who would ever tank, so he will keep the team somewhat competitive while accumulating trade ammo to take Justin Fields next year.
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I can see it being closer to a 4th or 5th Round pick to use on a QB. Belichick only drafted a QB once in Cleveland (Eric Zeier, 3rd Round in 1995 Draft) but he's been pretty consistent with New England even with having Brady.
2000: Tom Brady in the 6th Round
2002: Rohan Davey in the 4th Round
2003: Kliff Kingsbury in the 6th Round
2005: Matt Cassel in the 7th Round
2008: Kevin O'Connel in the 3rd Round
2009: Signed Brian Hoyer as UDFA
2010: Zac Robinson in the 7th Round
2011: Ryan Mallet in the 3rd Round
2014: Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd Round
2016: Jacoby Brissett in the 3rd Round
2018: Danny Etling in the 7th Round
2019: Jarrett Stidham in the 4th Round
I definitely think they are taking a QB in this year's draft. It's just a matter of when and how the board falls. They currently have 13 picks left in the Draft and I'd be astonished if they used all those picks and didn't take a QB.
2000: Tom Brady in the 6th Round
2002: Rohan Davey in the 4th Round
2003: Kliff Kingsbury in the 6th Round
2005: Matt Cassel in the 7th Round
2008: Kevin O'Connel in the 3rd Round
2009: Signed Brian Hoyer as UDFA
2010: Zac Robinson in the 7th Round
2011: Ryan Mallet in the 3rd Round
2014: Jimmy Garoppolo in the 2nd Round
2016: Jacoby Brissett in the 3rd Round
2018: Danny Etling in the 7th Round
2019: Jarrett Stidham in the 4th Round
I definitely think they are taking a QB in this year's draft. It's just a matter of when and how the board falls. They currently have 13 picks left in the Draft and I'd be astonished if they used all those picks and didn't take a QB.
Harley Quinn said:
I bet you they swap one of their seconds tonight for one next year and a third rounder. Probably from the Raiders. The stockpiling is gonna be kicked into overdrive for next year.
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Firmino of the 909 said:
We'll see
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Whoa...RIP Carson Wentz.
Carson Wentz is too fragile to rely upon. Also, since the season where he basically died on the field, he has gone 14-13. Their roster isn't even worse than that team was.
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The Packers drafting like they are expecting the 2020 season to be cancelled due to COVID-19.
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fazzle said:
This. Sounds like they made a nice pick here.
2 WR's and a gadget player who can fill at running back for a team that is slow as fuck. I dig it.
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Kahran Ramsus said:
A TE (H-back) with a Rd 6/7 projection in Rd 3.....
These two WR's the Raiders picked today look like straight out theft. Not as sure about the Clemson guy.
This fuckin guy is gonna be a baller.
https://youtu.be/FJIOfGGkzS0
This fuckin guy is gonna be a baller.
https://youtu.be/FJIOfGGkzS0
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Saints traded all Day 3 picks to move up and get a tight end from Dayton, Adam Trautman at the end of round 3, ranked #5 on HQ's TE rankings.
Our other two picks Cesar Ruiz (OL) and Zack Baun (LB) are talented but also safe picks. Honestly, given the circumstances of 2020 limiting contact with prospects, I prefer them going safe. They can maybe trade back in tomorrow for some late round skill players. Hell, you never know what UDFA camp bodies might turn out to be roster quality.
Our other two picks Cesar Ruiz (OL) and Zack Baun (LB) are talented but also safe picks. Honestly, given the circumstances of 2020 limiting contact with prospects, I prefer them going safe. They can maybe trade back in tomorrow for some late round skill players. Hell, you never know what UDFA camp bodies might turn out to be roster quality.
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I like what the Patriots did, for the most part. I think Keene was a big reach but he did a ton of stuff at Virginia Tech and he can slide in as a possible in-line H-Back role doing a Heath Evans/James Develin type role as a blocker and leaker into the flats. I think his selection represents the fact that New England will be focusing more on a downhill running game this season especially with Stidham at QB. Also may be a representation of how unsatisfied Belichick was with the depth at FB/TE after injuries hit so he's ensuring there won't be a repeat this year.
I saw Kyle Dugger on film returning kicks at D2 Lenoir-Rhyne and thought one of the Pats/Dolphins/Giants contingent would probably take him just based on that alone. He's very athletic but raw and could be another guy in that Pat Chung mold down the road. He flashes a bit more coverage athleticism than Chung but he's the kind of guy that Belichick thinks can make a jump in Year 2 or even Year 3 and become a solid dual cover/box Safety.
Asiasi can flash some speed down the seam and I slid him in as my #7 TE but I preferred others. I think what pushes him ahead in the eyes of the Patriots is his ability to block in the run game given Chip Kelly's run focused offense and Belichick does have a close relationship with Kelly from when McDaniels & Belichick picked Kelly's brain about the Zone Read offense around the early 2010s. I do think Asiasi has a chance to be a Day 1 starter at TE given his seam stretching ability.
Love the Uche and Jennings picks. I'm sure Winovich's success had some impact but Uche has the strength to line up with a hand down and come off the edge despite his size. He probably projects inside but can play at any LB spot and be a ST cover guy out of the gate. Jennings is bigger, comes from Saban's Alabama program and is probably a future replacement for a guy like Dont'a Hightower more so than Kyle Van Noy. I think he's a better run defender than coverage guy but has the size/speed to fit in pretty quickly.
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I saw Kyle Dugger on film returning kicks at D2 Lenoir-Rhyne and thought one of the Pats/Dolphins/Giants contingent would probably take him just based on that alone. He's very athletic but raw and could be another guy in that Pat Chung mold down the road. He flashes a bit more coverage athleticism than Chung but he's the kind of guy that Belichick thinks can make a jump in Year 2 or even Year 3 and become a solid dual cover/box Safety.
Asiasi can flash some speed down the seam and I slid him in as my #7 TE but I preferred others. I think what pushes him ahead in the eyes of the Patriots is his ability to block in the run game given Chip Kelly's run focused offense and Belichick does have a close relationship with Kelly from when McDaniels & Belichick picked Kelly's brain about the Zone Read offense around the early 2010s. I do think Asiasi has a chance to be a Day 1 starter at TE given his seam stretching ability.
Love the Uche and Jennings picks. I'm sure Winovich's success had some impact but Uche has the strength to line up with a hand down and come off the edge despite his size. He probably projects inside but can play at any LB spot and be a ST cover guy out of the gate. Jennings is bigger, comes from Saban's Alabama program and is probably a future replacement for a guy like Dont'a Hightower more so than Kyle Van Noy. I think he's a better run defender than coverage guy but has the size/speed to fit in pretty quickly.
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Cartman
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The NFL Draft has so many WTF moments, I have to believe that there "reach" picks are done for specific reasons. Maybe a team finds out or knows that another team is targeting a guy they like, they move up and take the guy a round or more early to make sure they get a guy they love.
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Cartman said:
Reaches are usually for the following reasons I think
#1: As you said, a team knows that Player X will not make it 5-10-15 picks to whenever their next pick is so they have to take him at a specific spot. Maybe they have two guys rated similarly and feel that Player Y has a better chance at being available with their next pick so they opt for Player X and hope Player Y does indeed fall as expected. This also ties into another team wanting Player X as you said so a team leapfrogs them instead.
#2: Scheme Fit/Board Rankings. If Player X is the BPA and a team knows he'll fit their scheme 10x better than Player Y, they are going to take Player X instead. This is where I think people like Mel Kiper Jr really... struggle or just suck at projecting because Kiper, etc. tend to rank players as a 1-10 format rather than trying to also weigh scheme fit. That's why even in my rankings I won't necessarily think a guy like Justin Jefferson going ahead of Brandon Aiyuk is a bad move because Minnesota likes bigger WRs whereas Aiyuk's speed compliments the scheme in San Francisco much better. That's also why I try to emphasize if a guy will fit better in the slot at WR or CB so while I maybe ranked Noah at CB 12, I knew he'd profile as a good Slot/Nickel CB more so than the guys ahead of him so technically Noah was one of my highest rated Slot/Nickel CBs and I think Miami made a good pick there.
#3: Media Spin. Unless it's like a 6th or 7th Rounder going in the 1st or 2nd Round... a guy going in the 3rd Round who was projected 4th/5th Round isn't that big a reach to me. Also this is all projection and much of the media thinks short term in whether a guy will be good as a Rookie right out of the gate. Once you start hitting Round 3/Round 4/Round 5 even, it's all about future projection a year or two down the road. Yeah, you'll get some rookie surprises ala McLaurin in Washington but most of these guys are going to be projects. One thing I think teams like Baltimore really excel it (and Dallas/Tennessee did well too in this year's draft thus far) is taking guys with Round 1 or Round 2 talent who fell for whatever reason. That's emphasizing value and explains why Baltimore usually "wins" the NFL Draft year in/year out.
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yeah, the third point is especially true. the 'reach' based on projections from people that routinely get it wrong, anything past the middle of the second is usually a crapshoot.