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Everything in this country comes down to lobbyists. That is all that really matters in this scenario. They want to use the insurance industry to gouge people, not explode their own costs by taking apart a system they benefit from.

Eventually they're gonna pass something, because that's the way political bribes work. Won't be a repeal and no replace though.
 

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I hope to die doing what I love: suffering from a preventable illness so that a millionaire could get a huge tax cut on investment income.
 

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Need one more pesky vote to kill this latest iteration (Paul and Collins already say no). Heller is wavering, even though he came out strongly against the previous version presumably due the Medicaid cuts, which are still in.

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gulp

For the GOP, the outlook is bleak. With Republicans able to lose only two senators (Vice President Pence then breaks the tie), Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Rand Paul of Kentucky remain hard "no"s. Republicans keep telling me Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada, a third apparent "nay," will be "bought off."

https://www.axios.com/axios-am-2459041508.html
 

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Apropos of the long discussion of neoliberalism ITT:

How ‘Neoliberalism’ Became the Left’s Favorite Insult of Liberals

By Jonathan Chait

...Neoliberalism is held to be the source of all the ills suffered by the Democratic Party and progressive politics over four decades, up to and (especially) including the rise of Donald Trump. The “neoliberal” accusation is a synecdoche for the American left’s renewed offensive against the center-left and a touchstone in the struggle to define progressivism after Barack Obama.

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The ubiquitous epithet is intended to separate its target — liberals — from the values they claim to espouse. By relabeling self-identified liberals as “neoliberals,” their critics on the left accuse them of betraying the historic liberal cause.

Indeed, the appearance of the “neoliberal” epithet in a polemic almost axiomatically implies a broader historical critique that has been repeated many, many times.

Its basic claim is that, from the New Deal through the Great Society, the Democratic Party espoused a set of values defined by, or at the very least consistent with, social democracy or socialism. Then, starting in the 1970s, a coterie of neoliberal elites hijacked the party and redirected its course toward a brand of social liberalism targeted to elites and hostile to the interests of the poor and the working class...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/how-neoliberalism-became-the-lefts-favorite-insult.html

Worth reading the whole thing.

edit: oops it wasn't in this thread, it was in the Trump Presidency v1 thread
 

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Thanks for reading the article and providing substantive discussion, guys. :-* :-* :-*
 

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[quote author= link=topic=6917.msg942870#msg942870 date=1500307679]
Liberal and left aren't synonymous. Quite the opposite
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no shit that's sort of central to the article
 

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Prrettyy said:
http://bennorton.com/jonathan-chait-former-journalist-approves-of-label-neoliberal-activist/

he brought it on himself.

That's a great own and all, but I'm really more interested in the actual substance of the article.
 

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2-more-gop-senators-oppose-health-bill-killing-it-for-now/ar-BBECpPW?li=BBnb7Kz

TrumpCare dead...for now, I guess. Simultaneously too harsh and not harsh enough. Going to be interesting to see if R's (continue to) sabotage the ACA to back up their false claim that the ACA is cratering.
 

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I really hope I'm wrong and there's nothing to worry about with this stuff.
 

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snuffbox said:
I really hope I'm wrong and there's nothing to worry about with this stuff.

Trump was back on twitter yesterday crying for it to be repealed and replaced later. As bad as the GOP is they wouldn't be that insane would they? I guess they can't repeal it without 2/3rds majority, right?
 

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They can repeal it without a replacement, but they won't. The effects of that would be even worse than AHCA or BCRA (the Trumpcare bills), and it's evident now that they wouldn't be able to get enough moderate votes (Collins, Heller, Portman, Murkowski, Capito). If they have a straight repeal vote, as Trump has called for and McConnell has suggested, it will be McConnell's way of saying "fuck this, I tried," and it will fail.
 

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At this point, a bigger concern might be the Party refocusing on damaging the existing ACA.
 

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Repeal of ACA with no replacement is dead, based on statements by R moderates.
 

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Followers of the Party will be enraged to know it was the so-called women senators who stopped the 'repeal and then just go die already' plan.
 

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How many wildly different statements has the president made about this in the past 12-24 hours?
 

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Republican Governors Sandoval (NV) and Kasich (OH) deserve some credit on this.
 

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A few Republicans with integrity could really help the next few-to-many years. That the policy ideas/moves of these folks worries me less than their dishonesty is telling in itself. It's not so much the dishonesty itself (I expect it from conspiracy theorists, pretend reality tv celebrities, and, frankly, Party members at large) as the political success they have had with it. I hope a few GOP politicians will continue to stand up to the unrelenting bullshit.
 

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wut

Trump on Senate GOP: “The vote would have been pretty close to, if you look at it, 48 to 4. That’s a pretty impressive vote by any standard”
 

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icymi

Senate Referee Rejects Key Pieces Of Repeal Bill, Dealing Major Blow To GOP

Abortion provision is out, potentially making bill toxic for conservatives.


WASHINGTON — Efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act ran into big trouble on Friday afternoon, when the Senate parliamentarian ruled that nearly a dozen key provisions of GOP repeal legislation violate special procedural rules that Republicans are using to pass their bill.







The list of provisions includes a clause, which many conservatives consider essential, that would defund Planned Parenthood and block federal money from helping to pay for insurance policies that cover abortion. Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough also ruled out a six-month “lockout” period for people trying to buy insurance after they have let it lapse ― a key policy feature of the Senate bill that insurers say is vital to keeping markets stable.

In the ruling, a summary of which the office of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) posted, the parliamentarian’s office indicated that it would still be reviewing other parts of the Senate proposal ― including provisions that would allow insurers more flexibility to vary premiums by age or to offer plans that leave out benefits such as mental health and maternity care that current law considers essential.

And the parliamentarian hasn’t even had a chance to consider a new amendment, proposed by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), that would allow insurers to offer some plans not subject to rules guaranteeing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions...

The ruling matters because Republicans are trying to pass legislation through the budget reconciliation process, a special procedure in which measures are not subject to a filibuster in the Senate. That makes it possible to pass a bill with just 50 senators rather than 60, with the vice president breaking the tie ― something essential for Republicans, because they have only 52 seats and are not trying to pass their bill with Democratic support.

But if reconciliation makes it possible to pass a bill with fewer votes, it also imposes strict rules on what a bill may include. Legislation must have a significant economic impact and cannot merely change policy ― otherwise it is subject to 60 votes. (This is called the “Byrd Rule,” named after former Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia.)

The parliamentarian is the one who interprets rules. If the parliamentarian decides a provision does not conform to the guidelines for reconciliation, Democrats can (and surely would) demand that the provisions be subject to normal voting procedures ― in other words, subject to a filibuster that would require 60 votes to overcome...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/senate-parliamentarian-byrd-rule-health-care_us_59727d12e4b00e4363df9867
 

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And here's Trump talking about the evils of Obamacare when whatever they cook up is ten times worse.

This is....kinda pathetic.

LOL calling Democrats "obstructionists" when they haven't even been involved in the process!
 

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I just love how he says "We're gonna fix things and make it great!" because I want to hear someone shout "HOW!? as loud as they can.
 
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