Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"

[Sex Machine Gun]

I don't know how Americans hear these speeches and problems yet can't say to themselves, "you know, it sounds like the insurance companies are who really have us by the balls, not the law."

A CNN commentator was marveling at how "some policy" was in this statement. It was also obvious that he was concentrating hardest on the teleprompter during the listing of items in the replacement. They're also going on about how he did something professional and presidential, giving a speech in a spiffy room with a bunch of human props like other presidents have done. I want to punch everything in the universe.

 

[Damaramu]

I thought repeal and replace was dead. Now today they're talking like it's still a possibility. Is it or are they just still blowing hot air?

 

[snuffbox]

"Dont kill us, kill the bill" was chanted during the GOP's senate efforts today.

 

[bigolsmitty]

MOTHERFUCKERS

 

[RedJed]

Shame on McCain voting "aye" on all this shit. You would think logically when someone gets cancer that may be terminal that they would immediately be able to relate to the whole pre-existing condition stuff, etc. Guess not. Then again he's certainly not thinking clear or logical from this brain cancer, evident also from way back months ago when he was giving a confusing line of questioning to Comey on the Hill. It's just sad. I thought he was one of a handful of GOPers who would lead the Party in a more proactive and realistic direction. Not gonna happen if he's just joining the ruse this has become with the health care.

 

[Damaramu]

So this turd is going to pass?

 

[909]

We don't even know what it is. They voted to proceed with debate on something that doesn't exist yet.

 

[909]

My brain tells me they'll pass something no matter what.

Or that this is a tactic to get people's names attached to voting no on legislation they all campaigned on, so that they can primary those people with further right Republicans. Time will tell.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

Maybe John McCain will die between now and the actual vote. Though in that case probably the whole Senate will come together to vote for the bill in a bipartisan show of respect for a great American hero.

 

[909]

It was dope when everyone in the Senate clapped for McCain coming back to help take people's healthcare.

 

[bigolsmitty]

via: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/24/16019984/obamacare-repeal-republican-flow-chart

 

[RedJed]

Listened to McCains entire rant just a second ago and I have to take a step or two back on my previous position on him.

While he gave a "aye" to continue discussion on the repeal/replace idea (unfortunately his "aye" was really the deciding vote to not shelf this shit for good) he went off on how the bill is not anywhere close to satisfactory and will not vote yes on it if or when that time comes, in its current form. He also went on a general tangent on how the party is being too standoffish trying to "win" and how they need to work across the hall together to craft a true bipartisan bill and not just one the administration is trying to push through with no Democratic support. He also pretty much said the party isnt Trumps subordinates, basically passively saying not to listen to his bullshit.

I still think he should have reconsidered his "aye" and let this bitch fall, though.

 

[snuffbox]

When a five-time draft dodger that made fun of you for being a prisoner of war tells you to do something, you do it.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

Listened to McCains entire rant just a second ago and I have to take a step or two back on my previous position on him.

While he gave a "aye" to continue discussion on the repeal/replace idea (unfortunately his "aye" was really the deciding vote to not shelf this shit for good) he went off on how the bill is not anywhere close to satisfactory and will not vote yes on it if or when that time comes, in its current form. He also went on a general tangent on how the party is being too standoffish trying to "win" and how they need to work across the hall together to craft a true bipartisan bill and not just one the administration is trying to push through with no Democratic support. He also pretty much said the party isnt Trumps subordinates, basically passively saying not to listen to his bullshit.

I still think he should have reconsidered his "aye" and let this bitch fall, though.

How are people still falling for this schtick after 20 years? The next principled vote McCain casts would be his first.

 

[KingPK]

via: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/24/16019984/obamacare-repeal-republican-flow-chart

Strike one

 

[Byron The Bulb]

McCain voted for the BCRA, btw. So much for all that grandstanding.

 

[bigolsmitty]

The ‘Skinny Bill’ Is a Farce. Here’s the Real Reason Republicans Are Doing It.

...the skinny bill would damage the markets and increase premiums while advancing no coherent policy objective.

The point, rather, is to reduce the repeal agenda to its most popular constituent elements, pass something that 50 Republicans can live with, and then create a chance to go to conference with the House and rewrite the proposal. Republicans are very clear about their belief that the skinny plan is not intended to be passed into law. “If we can get a skinny bill over (to the House), we can work in the conference committee to actually improve on the product,” South Dakota Republican senator Mike Rounds told reporters. The “content” of the bill is not the point, says Senator Bob Corker, who calls it a “forcing mechanism.”

But what would the conference bill actually do? Nobody is saying, probably because they have no real idea. Republicans are no closer to solving the problem of designing an Obamacare replacement now than they were when the Senate began its debate weeks ago. Indeed, they’re no closer now than they were when the health-care debate began in 2009.

The GOP’s failure to cohere around a proposal is not an incidental problem. It is a fundamental and unsolvable one. Conservative dogma is wholly incompatible with the development of any health-care plan that is remotely acceptable to the public.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/the-real-motive-for-the-skinny-bill-farce.html

 

[909]

McCain just redeemed himself for life.

 

[909]

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/890815543258865664

 

[bigolsmitty]

McCain just redeemed himself for life.

That was nice of him to end the crisis that he restarted.

Here's some "Mitch McConnell losing" porn, my favorite genre:

edit: realized 209 already posted a better version of this, sorry

 

[KingPK]

Seven years....

control of everything.....

and still can't get it done.

Logic dictates there's (R) blood in the streets in November 2018 but logic waved bye-bye a long time ago.

 

[Incandenza]

Fuck John McCain.

Murkowski and Collins were NO early on, but hey, let's applaud the old, dying white guy for doing the right thing at the last minute.

 

[snuffbox]

Let's applaud all three of them (and every Democrat). Nobody's ever going to be perfect. When we have a genuinely bad administration we should be happy whenever somebody stands up to it, even if they only stand up one in a thousand times. We need it now and we are going to need it for at least a few more years.

 

[Damaramu]

So is this dead or are they going to circle back eventually and try again?

 

[bigolsmitty]

Some additional thoughts:

 

[snuffbox]

So is this dead or are they going to circle back eventually and try again?

I dont think we should be surprised if the Party tries again in the future. Or next week. But they probably need to win another senate seat. They do seem obsessed with taking away people's health care, though.

 

[bigolsmitty]

If Sen. Hassan hadn't beat Ayotte in NH last year, by around 1000 votes, this probably would have passed.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Fuck John McCain.

Murkowski and Collins were NO early on, but hey, let's applaud the old, dying white guy for doing the right thing at the last minute.

Agreed. OTOH, you can't make this .gif with Murkowski and Collins:

 

[Sex Machine Gun]

"If a new HealthCare Bill is not approved quickly, BAILOUTS for Insurance Companies and BAILOUTS for Members of Congress will end very soon!"

--- Shitbag's Twitter

 

[snuffbox]

You need to respect the office. Give him some more time. Besides, what would the DEMOCRATS do better anyway?