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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #200 on: October 03, 2012, 04:17:28 PM »
Youth, Spike was part of the Order of Aurleaus (or however the name was spelled), which was headed by The Master.
When/Where was that mentioned?
If it ever was, it was pretty offhand.  Spike's connection to the Master was tenuous at best, and none of the leftover vampire flunkies in that gang seemed to have any idea who Spike was.  The show implied that after Angel got soul-ified, Darla went to join the Master while Spike and Drusilla just kinda wandered the world and killed lots of people. 

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #201 on: October 03, 2012, 09:36:05 PM »
Youth, Spike was part of the Order of Aurleaus (or however the name was spelled), which was headed by The Master.

When/Where was that mentioned?

If it ever was, it was pretty offhand.  Spike's connection to the Master was tenuous at best, and none of the leftover vampire flunkies in that gang seemed to have any idea who Spike was.  The show implied that after Angel got soul-ified, Darla went to join the Master while Spike and Drusilla just kinda wandered the world and killed lots of people.

I was always under the impression that The Master favored Darla the most, after all he did make her, and that Angelus was more a part of the package with her in relation to The Master.  I also thought that Angelus' brood (Angelus/Darla/Spike/Drusilla) was its own little family and didn't have any real connection familial wise to any other vampire group including The Master's.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #202 on: October 04, 2012, 01:38:48 AM »
Youth, Spike was part of the Order of Aurleaus (or however the name was spelled), which was headed by The Master.

When/Where was that mentioned?

If it ever was, it was pretty offhand.  Spike's connection to the Master was tenuous at best, and none of the leftover vampire flunkies in that gang seemed to have any idea who Spike was.  The show implied that after Angel got soul-ified, Darla went to join the Master while Spike and Drusilla just kinda wandered the world and killed lots of people.

I was always under the impression that The Master favored Darla the most, after all he did make her, and that Angelus was more a part of the package with her in relation to The Master.  I also thought that Angelus' brood (Angelus/Darla/Spike/Drusilla) was its own little family and didn't have any real connection familial wise to any other vampire group including The Master's.

Darla chose Angel over The Master in an Angel season 4 flashback. It looked like she removed herself from him before Spike and Darla were turned

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #203 on: October 13, 2012, 08:11:20 AM »
Guess I'll put this in here: according to CBR, Agent Coulson lives, and will be one of the stars of Wheedon's SHIELD show.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #204 on: October 21, 2012, 05:11:47 PM »
Just wrapped season 5 of Angel. I'll do a write up this weekend. The finance and I started the Buffy/Angel project last December. Just over 10 months to get through all 256 episodes.

Is Dollhouse worth watching? I know it's not as long, and should be easier to get through.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #205 on: October 21, 2012, 05:17:45 PM »
After about episode 5 the show is fantastic.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #206 on: October 24, 2012, 10:36:19 AM »
The first 4 episodes or so were pretty much "Fox Mandated" in terms of style and plot (with each episode lifting pieces from the unaired version of the initial pilot as well).  Episode 5 on is pretty much where it gets its feet on the ground so to speak.

Also for those who may not know, the Science channel will be airing a "Browncoats Unite" special re-uniting the cast of Firefly on November 11th.  Not sure if it may've aired previously but looks like it could be a neat round table type thing.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #208 on: November 11, 2012, 07:49:50 PM »
On the Science channel special about ten years of Firefly...Tim Minear finally told Inara's secret.  I don't know why I'm spoilering this...but whatever...
Spoiler: show
She was dying of a terminal illness.  So...yeah it was happy times ahead for sure.  Also the thing in the pilot that she looks at and they never explain when they think the Reavers will board them...was a drug that she would take that would poison and kill anything that fucked with her (IE: Reaver rape).  They had a story planned where she would be taken by Reavers and by the time Mal got there all the Reavers would be dead...which implies...well...you know.
  He said it was the first story Joss pitched to him when he asked him to do the show with him. 

For those that don't know they did Book's backstory in comic form...so now I feel like I got more closure.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #209 on: November 12, 2012, 03:32:17 AM »
I never read A Shepherd's Tale. Reviews on Amazon were not kind. What was the backstory?

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #210 on: November 12, 2012, 07:04:31 AM »
It was told in short bursts going backwards in time where you see he's a high ranking alliance officer who makes a mistake that costs thousands of lives.  Then as it goes backwards you see his viciousness in climbing the ranks.  And when it gets to the end you see that he was a plant from what would be an early resistance from the start and he caused all of those deaths on purpose.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #211 on: November 12, 2012, 08:15:20 AM »
What fiends rated the Book book so poorly?  That was an awesome one-shot, it handily explained all of Book's mysteries in a fairly compelling manner.  As for the new Inara thing... meh... felt like the kind of fanfic-ish answer that I would've come up with myself. 

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #212 on: November 25, 2012, 01:34:31 AM »
As a heads up... for the DVDs of BTVS and Angel.

On Amazon the individual seasons of BTVS are $10.49 each.  Season 7 is $8.99.  Spend $71.93 vs $79.49 for the Complete Series Box.  Save more if you skip S6 & 7

Angel S1 & S5 = $7.93.  S2 & 4 = $9.99.  S3 = $19.46.  Spend $55.30 vs $68.30 for the Complete Series Box.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #213 on: November 28, 2012, 05:35:22 AM »
I was bored so I tallied up the episodes written for each Buffy season and was surprised at some of the numbers. Still wonder why Drew Goddard wrote Dirty Girls instead of Doug Petrie (who wrote Bad Girls, Enemies, and This Year's Girl.)

Jane Espenson: S3 = 3.  S4 = 5.  S5 = 6.  S6 = 4.  S7 = 6.  A lot of her work is very hit or miss, especially in the latter seasons (Pangs, Intervention, Flooded, Doublemeat Palace).
David Fury: S2 = 1.  S3 = 2.  S4 = 4.  S5 = 3.  S6 = 5.  S7 = 3.  Wrote the ep that made me love Dawn (Real Me) but also wrote the polarizing Lies My Parents Told Me.
Marti Noxon: S2 = 6.  S3 = 5.  S4 = 4.  S5 = 3.  S6 = 2.  S7 = 1.  What stunned me is that despite falling off writing wise, she wrote a lot of worst ep ever candidates.  She also often wrote the lesser of two part episodes (Surprise, Consequences, Wrecked)
Joss Whedon: S2 = 6.  S3 = 5.  S4 = 4.  S5 = 3.  S6 = 1.  S7 = 2.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #214 on: November 28, 2012, 05:46:22 AM »
Whenever I saw an episode was written by Marti, I knew it was going to be a tough road ahead. Especially if Riley was in it.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #215 on: February 06, 2013, 09:24:12 AM »
Bumping this because I just read through this thread from the beginning...

I forgot how FOX FOX was even under a new president/executive staff.  It seems like half the posts in the first 2-3 pages are complaining (mostly be me admittedly) about how FOX is screwing Dollhouse or castrating Dollhouse whilst pretending anything else that happened would have happened otherwise.**

** e.g. ratings wouldn't be awful for a Friday night slot with almost zero promotion for a show subject that was already a bit rich for casual viewers.

Also Antileaf33 from May
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I'm about to start watching Buffy from the beginning. I've seen the majority of the episodes but I always seemed to have caught the self contained "filled" episodes so I missed out on most of the major plot points.

So did you ever go about watching Buffy?  I always like hearing thoughts from people who haven't seen the series.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #216 on: May 10, 2013, 06:16:34 PM »
Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has been ordered to series by ABC. From IGN:

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We all assumed it was a sure thing, but it's now finally official - ABC has picked up Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as a series, debuting this fall.

Co-written by Joss Whedon, Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen and directed by Joss Whedon, the S.H.I.E.L.D. pilot was filmed back in January - one of the earliest pilots to go into production this year. It was obviously a high profile project, both as an offshoot of the uber-successful Marvel movie series and specifically as a follow-up/spinoff of Whedon's amazingly huge Avengers movie, the third highest grossing film ever.

Along the way, ABC cautioned they had not given the greenlight to the project beyond the pilot stage, but it would have been shocking if it hadn't been picked up, given all the factors involved. The massive success of Iron Man 3 only cemented the fact that a Marvel-centric TV series was a highly desirable commodity at this point.

 
Clark Gregg reprises his role from the Marvel films as Phil Coulson in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., joined by a cast that includes Ming-Na Wen, Elizabeth Henstridge, Iain De Caestecker, Brett Dalton, Chloe Bennet and J. August Richards.

TVLine notes that the first promo for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. will air this weekend, during Sunday night's Once Upon a Time finale.
You should probably put your bandit hat on now.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #217 on: May 12, 2013, 12:09:57 AM »
Really glad to see J. August Richards back.  He was one of my favorite Whedon actors.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #218 on: May 12, 2013, 02:19:18 AM »
He better have a great explanation for how Son of Col is still alive, that is going to be his hardest task.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #219 on: May 12, 2013, 09:59:22 AM »
I kinda have the sinking feeling this show is gonna be turrible.  And I have no real basis for this at all, especially since Little Whedon and his wife have gotten much better as TV writers over time.  I guess the basis would be that it seems like a dumb idea for a TV show.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #220 on: May 12, 2013, 10:01:14 AM »
A show that focuses on humans dealing with the threat and fallout of a world threatened by Superhumans?  That's an awesome idea for a show.

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« Reply #221 on: May 12, 2013, 11:01:39 AM »
I think it could be quite good outside the Avengers universe, but will suffer for its association with the absurdly grandiose spectacle of the movie franchises.  It's also going to be challenged to create any sort of tension that can actually be resolved within the parameters of the show itself, since the default answer to any big problem in this universe really should be "oh, give Captain America or Iron Man or any of those guys a call and tell them to deal with it."

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #222 on: May 12, 2013, 12:58:25 PM »


we have a trailer

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #223 on: May 12, 2013, 01:13:14 PM »
So J August either has some superpowers or I am totally misreading what he was doing to that person. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was Luke Cage.

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« Reply #224 on: May 13, 2013, 02:58:10 PM »
Why not Luke Cage?  That's the thing, Marvel has a goldmine of characters which have never been seen on a screen.  There's hundreds and hundreds of neat superpowered characters, with established powers and backstories and everything, which Marvel already owns.  They can put pretty much whoever they want into this show.  I mean, there's soooo many.  Like, Hobgoblin.  Hobgoblin was mostly a Spiderman villain, but he fought Daredevil and various others too.  And he's a neat character, a spinoff of the Green Goblin but different enough that he has his own sets of goals and motivations.  There's a thousand Hobgoblinish characters in the 616 that could easily be adapted here.  Hell, wouldn't anyone else like to see what a Joss Whedon version of Squirrel Girl would be like? 

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« Reply #226 on: May 14, 2013, 09:40:19 AM »
Ok, so now I think he is playing Patriot. Bastard preview has left me so many ideas on who he could be within the Marvel universe! Eli Bradley now takes the lead for the shield line.

And that really looks more and more entertaining.

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #227 on: May 15, 2013, 01:01:24 AM »
io9 did a breakdown of the promo and noticed a new person in the "Marvel" bumper - Rage.  Could be him.
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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #229 on: March 28, 2015, 01:18:06 PM »


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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #230 on: March 29, 2015, 04:15:35 AM »
Charisma Carpenter, Julie Benz, and Claire Kramer?

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Re: Amalgamated Whedon - Dollhouse and previous, better shows
« Reply #231 on: January 29, 2016, 03:05:47 AM »
Ranked the Season 1 Episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer for Culture Crossfire. Curious what you guys would push up or down.

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Re: Joss Whedon Shows - Dollhouse, Buffy, Angel, and Firefly Discussion Thread
« Reply #232 on: November 26, 2016, 08:07:06 AM »
Ron Glass passed away. RIP Shepherd

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Re: Joss Whedon Shows - Dollhouse, Buffy, Angel, and Firefly Discussion Thread
« Reply #233 on: November 26, 2016, 08:15:59 AM »
Shit, that really sucks :(

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Re: Joss Whedon Shows - Dollhouse, Buffy, Angel, and Firefly Discussion Thread
« Reply #234 on: November 26, 2016, 01:41:47 PM »
I've had quite enough of 2016, thank you very much.

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Re: Joss Whedon Shows - Dollhouse, Buffy, Angel, and Firefly Discussion Thread
« Reply #235 on: February 06, 2017, 01:29:58 AM »
As somebody who loves the general Oral History series of books from MTV to Grunge, this looks like a must buy: Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Buffy the Vampire Slayer & Angel

"Two decades after its groundbreaking debut, millions of fans worldwide remain enthralled with the incredible exploits of Joss Whedon’s Buffy Summers, the slayer and feminist icon who saved the world...a lot; as well as Angel, the tortured vampire with a soul who fought against the apocalyptic forces of evil.

Now, go behind-the-scenes of these legendary series that ushered in the new Golden Age of Television, with the candid recollections of writers, creators, executives, programmers, critics and cast members. Together they unveil the oftentimes shocking true story of how a failed motion picture became an acclaimed cult television series, how that show became a pawn between two networks, and the spin-off series that was as engaging as everything that came before."

Drops November 7th but I'm hyped for this.

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Re: Joss Whedon Shows - Dollhouse, Buffy, Angel, and Firefly Discussion Thread
« Reply #236 on: February 06, 2017, 01:49:16 AM »
How is it unauthorized if the creators and execs in on it?

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Re: Joss Whedon Shows - Dollhouse, Buffy, Angel, and Firefly Discussion Thread
« Reply #237 on: February 06, 2017, 02:25:29 AM »
How is it unauthorized if the creators and execs in on it?

I have a feeling it's "unauthorized" in the sense that they didn't get approval from a studio and/or official big name company to do this and are going more of an independent route.

Both writers worked on the recent 50 Year Mission oral histories of Star Trek books.

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« Reply #238 on: September 23, 2017, 04:44:48 AM »
Slayers & Vampires: The Complete Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Buffy & Angel by Edward Gross and Mark A. Altman has dropped. Looks AMAZING and it's over 500 pages(!) so it should be an awesome read. I've literally been waiting for months, counting down the days, when I saw this was coming out