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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2011, 03:37:47 PM »
So, a poll over on CBR ranks interest on each of the new titles. Not surprisingly, pretty much everything except for Batman, Justice League, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Batwoman and Action Comics are generating mostly negative feelings.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32809

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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2011, 09:30:19 PM »
That's because DC only have around 5 interesting characters/characters people care about.

I will eat all of your dicks if Daniel Bryan ACTUALLY cashes in his MITB at Wrestlemania
7 months and counting...

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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2011, 11:04:38 PM »
That's because fanboys follow characters, not good stories. The titles everyone seems to want the most, I have no interest in. Justice League, Green Lantern, etc. is all just continuity porn that bores me.

Until proven otherwise, Ivan Brandon's Sgt Rock will the best of this bunch. Concept, writer, and artist all look rad.


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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2011, 07:13:37 AM »
Oh hey... They are detonating Superman's marriage with Lois Lane to set up a possibility of "what if Superman and Wonder Woman got together".

Hey guys. How about you do what happened in Justice League on TV? You know, the romance of Wonder Woman and Batman. How about that?

Why do they keep rebooting? Why not actually move things forward, by moving things forward!

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« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2011, 01:48:21 PM »
Oh hey... They are detonating Superman's marriage with Lois Lane to set up a possibility of "what if Superman and Wonder Woman got together".
Best joke I heard about the no-longer-exists-marriage was "Mephisto was unavailable for comment".
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« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2011, 05:34:40 AM »
Oh hey... They are detonating Superman's marriage with Lois Lane to set up a possibility of "what if Superman and Wonder Woman got together".

Hey guys. How about you do what happened in Justice League on TV? You know, the romance of Wonder Woman and Batman. How about that?

Why do they keep rebooting? Why not actually move things forward, by moving things forward!

They really haven't rebooted since 1986. All the other big events have been more like continuity clean-ups (or fuck-ups, depending on which character we are talking about), but this is a much larger thing. If anything, I kind of wish Infinite Crisis had ended with something like this.

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« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2011, 04:30:21 AM »
Okay, so I guess a full reboot has never happened.

So... Is there a Blue Beetle III still, or is Blue Beetle II back? I mean, since we're rebooting the continuity anyways...

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« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2011, 09:06:06 AM »
Okay, so I guess a full reboot has never happened.

So... Is there a Blue Beetle III still, or is Blue Beetle II back? I mean, since we're rebooting the continuity anyways...

Jaime is still around. With the huge push they've given him on television as well as making sure that he's fairly visible, I don't think Jaime is going away any time soon.

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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2011, 06:15:29 AM »
Well that's good. I liked Jaime, so I was afraid we'd get Ted Kord back. Well, I like Kord too, but its Jaime's job now.

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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2011, 06:17:10 AM »
Just saw a pic of "Harley" in her apparent joining up with Suicide Squad... http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/06/harley_quinn_joins_the_suicide_sluts_--_er_squad.php

Wasn't big on Harley's nurse get up in the video games but could deal with it.  But the below pic just what?  Part of the appeal to Harley for me is that she is one of the few female villains to not be scantily clad and actually wears a full body costume piece.  If you wanted to create a cheesecake costumed character, just create one and leave Harley's name alone.  It looks like somebody wanted to cos-play as her but didn't want to go through any effort to make a costume so they adopted the diamond trademark and threw on the sexiest costume they owned instead.

Another part of her appeal was that while she could be sexy, she didn't obviously look sexy or dangerous.  So the "surprise" with her as a character was the fact that she could act air headed one moment and then be very aggressive/very dangerous at the drop of a hat.


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« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2011, 12:07:52 AM »
Agreed.  Comic books already have one Typhoid Mary, they don't need another one. 

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« Reply #61 on: June 27, 2011, 12:09:26 AM »
eventually I'll get around to posting my own "If I Did The DC 52" that all the blogs and websites are doing themselves


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« Reply #62 on: June 27, 2011, 04:10:41 AM »
More specifics on the 52 and DC's strategy as a whole from a Retailer show in NYC.

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« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2011, 02:34:58 PM »
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On Teen Titans;

All four Robins star or co-star in a book.  (I know, what about Stephanie Brown?  It was hinted that we would see her in Batman Incorporated. Dan Didio said she worked better as Spoiler.)  This book is Tim Drake’s showcase. There will be some synergy between this and Superboy.

Anyone else thinking Didio can go to hell? Steph ROCKED as Batgirl. I really wish DC would can his ass, because I'm feeling half the things I hate about DC these days are Didio's fault.

Though I will say that I like how they aren't writing for the trade anymore.

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« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2011, 06:33:33 AM »
Alright, here it is, My DC 52

Like them, I would go day-and-date with digital and direct market, but I would do more combos and incentives. Having digital exclusive back-ups, for example, or discounts on certain digital comics for subscribers. I'd put the focus on the digital output, and make the print editions more of a deluxe edition. Better paper, sharper colors, and the print edition will always come with a code for the digital version. Also, since this is a reboot I'm going to really make a push for quality. A lot of, if not most, of the current brand of DC writer won't make the cut. If what they were doing was working, we wouldn't need a reboot, yeah?

I'm not too knowledgeable on all artists, so some of these I only wrote down the writer.

The Justice League Family
Justice League by Gail Simone & Jim Lee
I'm just praying for Lee to crank out the initial 6 issues. Let Simone be Simone, giving her full control over story and roster except for two points: The Green Lantern of this team is John Stewart and Cyborg, which i think is an inspired choice by DC proper.

Justice League:Unlimited by Joe Kelly
Let Joe Kelly do his thing with a rotating cast of members

Aquaman by Geoff Johns & Ivan Reis
Wonder Woman by Brian Aazzarello & Cliff Chiang
Green Lantern by Geoff Johns & Doug Mahnke
I think they got these three right, so not changing a thing

Cyborg by Paul Cornell & Andy Kubert
I guess you could say I'm trying to give Cyborg a push to become a top tier superhero.

Green Lantern/Green Arrow by Tim Seeley (W/A)
The Kyle Rayner and Connor Hawke versions.

Captain Atom by Brett Matthews & SERGIO CARIELLO
They revamped the Lone Ranger, and I think the pair can do amazing for Captain Atom

Mister Terrific by Ivan Brandon
Interesting character paired with a fantastic writer.

The Flash by Gail Simone & Francis Manapul
I Love Manapul, but I don't wnat to see him write. Also, the Flash? Wally Wood.

Martian Manhunter by Steven T. Seagle
I think he could do MM the same justice that John Ostrander

Hawkgirl by John Rozum
I find Hawkgirl far more interesting tha Hawkman, and think she could be a strong series.

Showcase by Paul Jenkins
A monthly anthology tale, with mainly one-off stories.

The Superman Family

Superman by Grant Morrison & John Cassaday
Again, I'm mainly hoping for Cassaday on the initial six issues. If Grant can replicated the magic of All Star Superman, we're gold.

Action Comics by John Rozum & Frank Quitely
Xombi is out of this world awesomeness, and I want to see what Rozum could do on a premiere title, alongside the equally brilliant Quitely.

Supergirl by Brian Wood
I really wanted to see this...

Luthor by Paul Cornell
He spent a year making Lex Luthor, and Action Comics, a must read. Let's see if he can keep it up.

The Batman Family
Batman by Marc Andreyko & J.G. Jones
As was said with Cassaday & Lee(though I think Jones is much more reliable), in a perfect world he'd have enough ahead time to get those first 6 issues out of the way.

Detective Comics by Scott Snyder & Jock
I'm not going to go and fix what isn't broke. This is the Nighwting/Dick Grayson comic, let Bruce have Batman.

Birds of Prey by Bryan Q. Miller
I don't care who the artist is, this is Bryan Q. Miller in his element. Oracle leading a team of Batgirls: Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain.

Batwoman by J.H. Williams

The Brave & The Bold by Mark Waid
Essentially Batman Team-Up. Could be a lot of fun.

The Titans Family
Teen Titans by Brian Wood & Rebekah Isaacs
My preferred lineup: Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Wonder Girl, Kid Devil, Aqualad, Speedy(Mia), and Ravager.

Impulse by Adam Beechen & Skottie Young
Give Bart Allen his personality back with some crazy good Skottie Young art.

Starfire by Tony Moore
Such a strong character deserves her first ongoing.

DCU Heroes Family

Shining Knight by Jeff Lemire
A Follow up tot he 2005 Seven Soldiers mini, staring Ystin and her winged horse Vanguard.

Young Heroes in Love by Sean McKeever
A comic ahead of its time in '97, bringing it back and updating it for the Facebook generation.

The Outsiders by Ron Marz
The Phantom Stranger leading the eclectic, strange team of Ragman, Simon Dark, Grace Choi, Metamorpho, and Voodoo.

Karate Kid by Fabian Nicieza
The Legion of Super-Heroes is no more! All that's left is the Karate Kid. I'd rebuild the 31st century/Legion universe slowly and around the Karate Kid.

Suicide Squad by Mike Costa
Grifter is given a choice: A lifetime in prison or lead the goverment's sectret task force. Grifter, Red Hood, Count Vertigo, Harley Quinn, Killer Frost, & Manchester Black.

Nemesis by Ivan Brandon
Go read Nemesis:The Impostors and tell me you don't want more of that...

Booster Gold:Time Master by Joe Casey & Mike Allred
Just read that ^

Mister Miracle
by Peter Milligan
Like Karate Kid, I'd use Mister Miracle to build up the Fourth World universe, seperate from the DCU, for the time being..

The Great Ten by Tony Bedard
The first mini-series was pretty damn good, an ongoing could be even better.

Blue Beetle by Judd Winick
I like Justice League:Generation Lost and I think Winick could give BB a very distinct voice.

DC Western Family
Jonah Hex by Howard Chaykin
Keep it in the same awesome format of one-in-done stories month in and month out.

All-Star Western by Paul Pope
A monthly anthology western title. Why Paul Pope? Because he has never done a western story, AFAIK.  

DC War Family

Sgt. Rock by Garth Ennis
Ennis is the perfect war writer, so give him Sgt. Rock and World War 2, let him do what he wants.

The Blackhawks: Men At War by Ivan Brandon
The modern war comic, focusing on Sgt. Rock's grandson leading the elite Blackhawks.

DC Fringe
Demon Knights by Paul Cornell

I, Vampire by Joshua Hale Fialkov
The more I think about it, the more I think this could work really well.

Deadman by Steve Niles
Swamp Thing by Mike Carey
Deathstroke:Curse of The Ravager by Rick Remender
Technically, these comics are all part of the DCU, but on the vert fringe of it.A Vertigo Light mini-brand. Not quite the Mature Only Vertigo, but they have the adult leanings and are only at the fringes(at best) of the DC universe. Also, I'm taking the name/idea from the Flashpoint mini and making Deathstroke a pirate comic, in the same vein as Remender's sea of Red.  

The DC Beyond Family
Batman Beyond by Adam Beechen
Superman Beyond by Steven T. Seagle
Justice League Beyond by Phil Hester
I think the Beyond brand could be a viable universe.

Non-DCU Continuity Family
Kamandi: The Last Boy by Scott Snyder
I think Snyder can do Kirby justice by giving us an epic Kamandi tale.

Rima the Jungle Girl by Joe Kelly & Duncan Rouleau
There just isn't enough good jungle girl comics out there...

The Black Lamb by Joshua Hale Fialkov & Tim Truman
Bringing the title back, away from the defunct Helix imprint, but letting JHF tell his own story in the setting and expand the world.

Johnny DC Family
Captain Marvel Adventures by Jeff Smith
It just makes sense.

Krypto The Superdog by Chris Giarusso
I think it could be a fun comic for kids.





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« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2011, 01:26:43 PM »
Here's a question for everybody- are you still reading DC comics right now, knowing that in a few months everything that's happened won't mean jack? I was reading most of the Bat books, Superboy, and Supergirl religiously for a while now, but I got the new Superboy the other day, and didn't even bother reading it. I forced myself to read Batman and Robin. And not because they aren't good- but because shortly, these story won't mean anything anymore.

On the plus side to the relaunch, they can finally undo that horrible Cry for Justice and Lian Harper's death. I hope.

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« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2011, 02:37:06 AM »
Superman is fighting 5 or 6 different Doomsdays all the while trying to protect the original, who is now frail.  A reboot can only help at this point.

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« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2011, 10:11:15 PM »
lol wut? Superman is such a tool he'll protect a genocidist (is that a word) if he's defenseless?

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« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2011, 08:23:54 PM »
He explained in Action Comics 902 why he was protecting the original. It was so lame of a reason, I don't even remember.

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« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2011, 11:45:09 PM »
If I remember correctly, Superman protecting Doomsday now would actually make sense.  The storyline was that Doomsday finally achieved true intelligence, and was bitter and remorseful for having been bred Frankenstein-style as a killing machine.  He basically did a babyface turn and isn't the same being anymore. 

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« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2011, 12:24:13 AM »


I was reading up on this guy from my childhood and found out that he's slated to be a part of the DC relaunch. Any further news on it? I give no fucks about the rest of the WildCATS team, but Grifter always struck me as particularly interesting (kinda like a blend of Spider-Man and the Punisher with a bit of telepathy added in).
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« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2011, 05:42:59 AM »
Oh man, every time I mention him, no one knows who the fuck I'm talking about. He's the only memorable character from Wildcats, and he is a bad ass. I have no new information for you, just that I appreciate someone else who knows who the hell he is.

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« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2011, 06:17:01 AM »
I just remember watching the WildCATS cartoon on USA on Sunday (?) morning, right after ExoSquad and just before Savage Dragon, and thinking Grifter was the fucking coolest character on the planet. I know I have a Grifter action figure (the cool one that MacFarlane toys, IIRC, released), as well as a Daemonite, and I think I still have a Spartan and maybe a Zealot figure, and I know a friend had Warblade and Maul.
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« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2011, 10:01:31 AM »
Grifter is awesome. This is what wiki says:

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In June 2011, DC Comics announced that Grifter would be incorporated into the DC Universe in a new ongoing series written by Nathan Edmondson and drawn by CAFU as part of its September 2011 relaunch of its comics properties

So not much info. http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/13/septembers-the-edge-solicits/ so we also get Stormwatch which ranged from meh to pretty good.

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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2011, 05:54:29 AM »
Nice. I'll probably be picking up some Grifter books. I think the most recent comic I got was the Ghostbusters: Legion collection, as well as a few other sporadic issues.
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« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2011, 05:32:11 PM »
So... Justice League came out today. What did everyone think? Personally, I found it very good. Not the best thing, but as an introduction to a new universe, it felt really good. It helped that Jim Lee did some great work on it.

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« Reply #76 on: September 07, 2011, 12:02:02 PM »
Justice League 1 was all right, but there should have been more for the super-big-deal universe relaunch.

I picked up Static Shock, Batgirl, and Action Comics this week.  All three are really good, Action Comics in particular.  I've really come around on Rags Morales' art after this issue.
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« Reply #77 on: September 07, 2011, 04:09:52 PM »
I hit a new comic store today and picked up all 13 that came out today because I want to grab all #1s.  I got there after work and only one I nearly missed was Batgirl (I got the last copy).  Hopefully I'll check them out soon.


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« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2011, 04:33:54 AM »
Can someone give me alittle summary and spoil the ending of Detective Comics #1 please? I keep reading that it's all gross and shocking or something.

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« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2011, 01:48:05 PM »
Can someone give me alittle summary and spoil the ending of Detective Comics #1 please? I keep reading that it's all gross and shocking or something.

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 Batman captures Joker and he is sent to Arkham. Then some new guy called the Dollmaker shows up and CUTS OFF the Joker's FACE and nails it to the wall, and then talks about (off panel) their re-birth. And The Joker is still alive.


I read Detective, Batgirl, Justice League and JLI. A bit confused about JLI, as Justice League seems to be an origin and JLI seems to be in a world where the heroes are established. Batgirl was interesting, but the ending of the issue kind of annoyed me.

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« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2011, 03:29:05 PM »
The first story arc of Justice League is set five years in the "past" of the DCnU. Action Comics is also set in the past, though sometime before JL. The rest of the books are all set in the present time DCnU.

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« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2011, 03:58:23 PM »
Lineup for tomorrow is:

Batman and Robin, Batwoman, Deathstroke, Demon Knights, Frankenstein: Agent of Shade, Green Lantern, Grifter, Legion Lost, Mister Terrific, Red Lanterns, Resurrection Man, Suicide Squad and Superboy.

I think Batman and Robin as well as Frankenstein have sold out from distribution.  I'd guess the two Lantern books will be popular.  I wouldn't be surprised to see something like Grifter disappear considering Hawk and Dove disappeared last week.

I already got the new store I've been trying to hold one of each book for me until I get out of work tomorrow night.  Anyone planning on getting anything from tomorrow's books?


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« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2011, 08:07:11 PM »
I'll be trying Batman and Robin, Demon Knights, Frankenstein: Agent of Shade, Green Lantern, Legion Lost, Red Lanterns, Resurrection Man, and Superboy. Maybe Grifter. Suicide Squad can go right to hell.

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« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2011, 02:49:49 AM »
Picked up Grifter while on the road. Haven't been able to read it. The plot, though, sounds a lot like They Live.

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Read the first issue of the Grifter re-launch. They've made him into an ex-Delta Force operative who now survives as a con man, and these alien things are transferring their consciousness into human hosts. They tried with him but he woke up before it could be completed. Now he hears/sees them. Solid, solid first chapter, though over in a breeze.
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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2011, 04:24:32 PM »
Picked up my books today probably a little before 6 local time.  I had my books held which was lucky as Batwoman and Green Lantern had sold out.  My buddy came with me and picked up the last Red Lanterns along with a few books only having one copy left like Grifter and Suicide Squad.


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« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2011, 12:11:16 AM »
Read Batman and Robin #1, and I already miss Dick. Bruce and Damian just aren't good together.

Red Lantern was.... eh.

Green Lantern is showing promise. I can't wait to see where this goes.

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« Reply #86 on: September 15, 2011, 05:33:47 PM »
"Bruce and Damian just aren't good together."

Knew it.  Morrison knew it too as I'm pretty sure he had Bruce flat out say it at one point in his run on the book.

I read somewhere that Batwoman was REALLY good.  I know nothing about that book.  Has anyone read it?

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« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2011, 06:22:04 PM »
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« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2011, 04:50:26 AM »
Read Batman and Robin #1, and I already miss Dick. Bruce and Damian just aren't good together.
Yea. It doesn't help that they pretty much ruined every character trait that Damian had gained over the last few years. And his character is pretty much back to square one, what we saw in the first issue he appeared. And considering at that point, everyone hated Damian, that's not a good thing. That's the thing I feared from this reboot.

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« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2011, 05:12:56 AM »
Read Batman and Robin #1, and I already miss Dick. Bruce and Damian just aren't good together.
Yea. It doesn't help that they pretty much ruined every character trait that Damian had gained over the last few years. And his character is pretty much back to square one, what we saw in the first issue he appeared. And considering at that point, everyone hated Damian, that's not a good thing. That's the thing I feared from this reboot.

Can't wait to see how Tim Drake gets jacked up.

Eh, they didn't really. I think what you see as him being seemingly "back to square one" is just that he's never spent much time around Bruce, so he's reverted back to the way he was before as a defense mechanism. He freely admitted he missed Dick, and Bruce is a different partner for him than Dick was. I think Damien was fine. He came off as a little punk, but that's always been his way, it's just that Dick was empathetic  and trying to be nice with him, where Bruce is always about being hard and building you up through tough life lessons.

I agree that I miss Dick and Damien together though. Bruce's brooding just doesn't work all that well with Damien's angry child routine, but I don't think that's really Damien being "back to square one." I would've rather seen a Nightwing and Robin book though.

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« Reply #90 on: October 12, 2011, 10:41:42 AM »
Saw a few scans of the Suicide Squad #1 issue and... yeck.

- Harley seems one dimensional and has lost most of her charm/peppy likability to solely be turned into a one note revenge killer.  The thing I love about Harley is that she's peppy, spunky, and insane but the "killer" aspect is a distant characteristic.  This is best portrayed in the animated episode Harlequinade where she teams up with Batman to take down Joker.
- Still not liking the costume at all nor the face paint work much.  She's basically gone to an American red/blue gothic corset look... thing with wickedly awkward pigtails split in red and black halves.  Made worse seeing scans of the Harley solo run just prior and squeeing at little DCAU Harley.  Also a shame since I kinda liked Harley's facial expression in the last scan.

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« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2011, 04:00:13 AM »
Harley, give Suicide Squad a try, it's one of my favorites of the new 52. The 2nd issue is better than the first, and they're getting HQ's character down better. The huge tits still bother/arouse me, but her personality is still fun.


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« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2011, 02:19:09 PM »
I agree that Suicide Squad #2 is much better than the first issue, though I'm not sure I'm really feeling the book. I don't think it's particularly bad, but I'm having trouble connecting with it like I did with Secret Six (Suicide Squad bearing a slight resemblance to Secret Six is the only reason I subscribed to it).

Also, while I thought Batgirl #1 was disappointing, #2 was exactly what I was expecting to see from Gail Simone. I've been reading through a stack of about 10-15 comics from last week and Batgirl #2 stands out to me as especially good.

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« Reply #93 on: October 18, 2011, 02:02:06 AM »
Grifter #2 is pretty decent, and they outright name the beings as the Daemonites, so there's the link with the classic character.
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« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2011, 11:10:28 AM »
Harley, give Suicide Squad a try, it's one of my favorites of the new 52. The 2nd issue is better than the first, and they're getting HQ's character down better. The huge tits still bother/arouse me, but her personality is still fun.

Read the 2nd issue and... for every little moment that is Harley (the smile & two thumbs up, her line "relax, I have a giant hammer"), there are like 3-4 moments that just make me cringe.

* Still not feeling the costume much at all.  Part of it is the obvious takeoff on the Batman games but I just can't get past the red and BLUE combination.  It'd be like the Green Bay Packers going from green/yellow to green/red.  The colors match but it just isn't her.  Also don't like how "babed" out she looks, especially given that she was IMO just as, if not more, sexy with the full body costume because you could imagine what was underneath.  She may as well be wearing panties given how short her shorts are.  With all that said, I do love the pigtails look and think it works really well with her offbeat personality.
* In this issue it's like they made her too... geeky?  Most of the lines, even in Arleen Sorkin's voice in my head, didn't sound like Harley would say them.  Some of her lines just literally read as, "We need a comic relief line that references the video gamey horror aspect of the story" and threw it in for Harley's character to say because that's partly her role in the group.  See the line "OOO, Level Boss" for a more obvious example.  I liked that she got slightly pissed over the playing the fool card but the next line just didn't ring right as a follow up.
* I'm all for serious looks at Harley and enjoyed most of her solo comic run as a result.  It just feels like the first 2 issues don't have a handle on her character and are trying to do what they would with a more conventional character that just doesn't work with her character wise.  I could easily buy the "Kung Fu!" line and the video game remarks from another female but it just doesn't mesh with Harley at all.

Harley to me defines the word fun.  She's a bit of a ditz, has a legit mean streak, can be really dangerous when pissed off, and is prone to the same corniness (if not even more) than Joker, but overall she is fun.  Here there is just no sense of fun and part of it's the look and part of it is just her attitude I guess?  There is a great, great balance that I loved in the comic when she's alone and says the line, "Anybody with powers...?" but when grabbed and on the verge of strangulation she just simply says, "Pass" with a great look of disgust/anger.  Of course then she followed it up with, "Boom! Headshot!" which made me bang my head against the desk *sigh*

I'll likely keep up for a bit in the vain hope they can land Harley fairly well but I'm not expecting much.

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« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2011, 01:11:49 AM »
I don't like her costume either, but I'm warming up to her as a Harley for the new DC. The thumbs up look was great, in my eyes.

So far Swamp Thing and Animal Man are the best of the 52


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« Reply #96 on: October 26, 2011, 08:38:36 PM »
After finally seeing the conclusion to Detective Comics #2, I'm really looking forward to #3!

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« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2011, 03:47:01 PM »
I'm trying to finish up the DC universe stuff before the New 52 just because I was really enjoying some of the series. I was a bit let down by the end of Generation Lost and Max Lord's big plan being all just about killing Wonder Woman plus the cop out Blue Beetle death and Max getting away free and clear in the end presumably with his awesome power set still intact. A moot point since it was all wiped out but still...

Finishing up Titans and so far the best part is Ammon getting put in his place by his sister:
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« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2011, 01:42:20 PM »
I loved Grifter as a kid. His solo comics from the 90's were my favorite, and I really liked the Wildcats comics from 2008 - 2009 (or 2010) too, but these new Grifter books aren't really doing it for me. Third issue is ok.

Hate Deathstroke's new outfit. The new series is alright but it just feels like something from 90's Image by Leifeld. The Deathstroke books from the 90's are so much better. Slade is so dumbed down here.

Animal Man, and Swamp Thing are hands down the best of the new 52 lineup, followed by Batwoman, and Detective Comics. I also like All Star Western, Justice League, Nightwing, Justice League Dark, Action Comics, Batman, Birds Of Prey, and Frankenstein. I agree that Dick and Damian were pretty awesome as a team, but I don't mind the new Batman and Robin.

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« Reply #99 on: November 11, 2011, 02:23:23 PM »
I don't mind the new Batman and Robin at all, but most people tend to hate Damien in the new series which I don't really think is fair, since Damien is still the same he was in the first series, it's just that Bruce is a different force than Dick. Dick tried to fight through Damien's brashness with compassion while Bruce is harsh and cold and treats Damien like the child he is (with all right to do so) so of course he's going to react... like a child throwing a temper tantrum. All Damien really seems to want is to be treated like an equal.

Right now I'm loving Batman, Nightwing, JLI, Animal Man and while I was against Babs being Batgirl again, the latest issue was really good. Superboy is also pretty good, though Red Hood and the Outlaws and Teen Titans (all written by Lobdell) are just okay at the moment. The second issue of RH&tO was a lot better than the first though.