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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #450 on: June 23, 2017, 04:32:31 AM »
I still don't understand how they an keep framing this as for the American people.

I'm just so god damn frustrated because I feel like it's very obvious these dipshits are only trying to help their rich buddies out and their fucking base doesn't see it. I know I sound like a broken record, but god damn. I'm waiting for the day they just finally admit it too and people still support them because they talk tough about scary brown people.
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #451 on: June 23, 2017, 05:28:22 AM »
It is really astounding (and impressive from a certain perspective) when you think about it that a political party has reached such success with a central driving focus on reducing the already low tax burden on the very rich and corporations. Literally their entire policy agenda is pretty much centered around this, but for some reason they get people to vote for them when most people don't want this.
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #452 on: June 23, 2017, 05:32:49 AM »
People worship the rich here which is ironic cause they also claim to be Christians. Pretty sure Jesus hated the rich

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #453 on: June 23, 2017, 05:55:49 AM »
Capitalists shoehorned their system into Christianity centuries ago and made peace with it.

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« Reply #454 on: June 23, 2017, 07:16:10 AM »
Jesus didnt hate the rich. He was intentionally poor, though.

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« Reply #455 on: June 23, 2017, 07:32:53 AM »
Jesus didnt hate the rich. He was intentionally poor, though.
Luke 18:25 "For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

He called them out a lot.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #456 on: June 23, 2017, 07:35:36 AM »
I just saw a headline on CNN as I walked by a TV that said "5th GOO senator opposes healthcare bill". They don't have the votes.  I wonder if they'll get them without reworking it?
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« Reply #457 on: June 23, 2017, 10:13:08 AM »
If it's like the Trump/House repeal bill, yes. The compromise there was largely the "moderate" Republicans giving way. McConnell will aim to give the 2 or 3 big-govt conservatives (Rand Paul, etc) more and then tell 2-3 moderates to just vote for the bill.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #458 on: June 23, 2017, 11:48:38 AM »
Yes, I'm afraid it's all just Kabuki theatre.
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« Reply #459 on: June 23, 2017, 12:54:12 PM »
The Freedom Cuckus says they do not want to pass this bill. Not conservative enough.

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« Reply #460 on: June 23, 2017, 02:18:23 PM »
Your country has the government it deserves for embracing Trumpism. It's just a shame innocent people will die.
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« Reply #461 on: June 23, 2017, 02:26:12 PM »
The Freedom Cuckus says they do not want to pass this bill. Not conservative enough.

They'll fix that.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #462 on: June 24, 2017, 03:35:59 AM »
The tax cuts for the top 400 richest people in the US in the Senate bill are sufficient to provide health insurance to 3/4 million Americans.
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« Reply #463 on: June 26, 2017, 03:01:56 AM »
I'm a loner who's always said I'd like to just go off and die in the woods, so.....I guess this is cool?

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #464 on: June 27, 2017, 04:59:48 AM »
Vote delayed.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #465 on: June 27, 2017, 05:44:25 AM »
I'll take it!
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« Reply #466 on: June 27, 2017, 05:47:55 AM »
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #467 on: June 30, 2017, 01:19:49 AM »
Trump and the GOP senators are now leaning towards going back to their old strategy of, "Repeal and never replace."

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« Reply #468 on: June 30, 2017, 03:27:42 AM »
Trump and the GOP senators are now leaning towards going back to their old strategy of, "Repeal and never replace."

So just leave everybody without healthcare and not even offer them the shitty alternative they were going to? Sounds about right.
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« Reply #469 on: June 30, 2017, 03:30:00 AM »
"Yes." -Trump, Sasse, Paul, etc

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« Reply #470 on: June 30, 2017, 03:40:28 AM »
That takes 60 votes so nothing to worry about there.

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« Reply #471 on: June 30, 2017, 04:00:25 AM »
I stopped not worrying about what the Party might do some time ago. After they won every branch of federal government, every branch in my state (WI), and have been allowed to cause so much destruction to so many people, I had to stop pretending that some other branch of govt, or our institutions, or the voters, or some hiding remnant of integrity inside a Republican somewhere would make things ok.

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« Reply #472 on: June 30, 2017, 04:04:37 AM »
Well they can't get 60 votes.

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« Reply #473 on: June 30, 2017, 04:24:09 AM »
Did McConnell lose the nuclear option?

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« Reply #474 on: June 30, 2017, 04:30:01 AM »
Legislative filibuster was never removed.

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« Reply #475 on: June 30, 2017, 04:32:15 AM »
And there's no way a Majority Leader without a check from another govt branch could alter the rules for his Party's benefit?

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« Reply #476 on: June 30, 2017, 04:34:24 AM »
Yeah, I'm sure they'd do that. Then Dems can pass literally whatever they want when they win the Senate in 2020. Sounds like a solid plan.

That they would do it to change the entire healthcare industry with no plan is a ludicrous suggestion.

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« Reply #477 on: June 30, 2017, 04:40:19 AM »
Like they won the Senate in 2016?

909, your absolutist take on so many things doesnt seem to be doing you any favors. I was wrong last year. For eleven months. A lot of us were wrong. We make mistakes. It is ok to acknowledge that. It does not help, however, to just continue on thinking that you are definitely right about whatever topic you're discussing.

If nothing else, the GOP has wasted years and millions trying to take away people's health care. They are continuing to try everything at their disposal to do this. It is probably fair to be worried about what the dear leaders of the Party are doing.

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« Reply #478 on: June 30, 2017, 04:45:33 AM »
No, you are just wrong and do not seem to understand how the insurance industry works, nor how lobbying works. Passing a full repeal and leaving the industry to the whim of 50 people each time the political situation changes would be the last thing Big Pharma et al would want. It costs them a boatload of money. And we know that lobbyists are the ones who really run this country.

The shit Senate bill keeps the vast majority of changes in place, specifically computer systems and administration, which is what costs so much money for those industries to change. There is a reason politicians have not pushed for full repeal, their lobbying masters will not allow it.

It is okay for you to be wrong sometimes as well.

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« Reply #479 on: June 30, 2017, 04:47:59 AM »
I'll leave the confidence to you.

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« Reply #480 on: June 30, 2017, 04:51:39 AM »
Everything in this country comes down to lobbyists. That is all that really matters in this scenario. They want to use the insurance industry to gouge people, not explode their own costs by taking apart a system they benefit from.

Eventually they're gonna pass something, because that's the way political bribes work. Won't be a repeal and no replace though.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #481 on: July 07, 2017, 01:18:47 AM »
I hope to die doing what I love: suffering from a preventable illness so that a millionaire could get a huge tax cut on investment income.
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« Reply #482 on: July 07, 2017, 02:11:21 AM »
Hell yeah your a Merican.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #483 on: July 14, 2017, 12:03:30 AM »
Need one more pesky vote to kill this latest iteration (Paul and Collins already say no). Heller is wavering, even though he came out strongly against the previous version presumably due the Medicaid cuts, which are still in.

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For the GOP, the outlook is bleak. With Republicans able to lose only two senators (Vice President Pence then breaks the tie), Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Rand Paul of Kentucky remain hard "no"s. Republicans keep telling me Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada, a third apparent "nay," will be "bought off."

https://www.axios.com/axios-am-2459041508.html
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #484 on: July 16, 2017, 11:50:54 PM »
Apropos of the long discussion of neoliberalism ITT:

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How ‘Neoliberalism’ Became the Left’s Favorite Insult of Liberals

By  Jonathan Chait

...Neoliberalism is held to be the source of all the ills suffered by the Democratic Party and progressive politics over four decades, up to and (especially) including the rise of Donald Trump. The “neoliberal” accusation is a synecdoche for the American left’s renewed offensive against the center-left and a touchstone in the struggle to define progressivism after Barack Obama.

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The ubiquitous epithet is intended to separate its target — liberals — from the values they claim to espouse. By relabeling self-identified liberals as “neoliberals,” their critics on the left accuse them of betraying the historic liberal cause.

Indeed, the appearance of the “neoliberal” epithet in a polemic almost axiomatically implies a broader historical critique that has been repeated many, many times.

Its basic claim is that, from the New Deal through the Great Society, the Democratic Party espoused a set of values defined by, or at the very least consistent with, social democracy or socialism. Then, starting in the 1970s, a coterie of neoliberal elites hijacked the party and redirected its course toward a brand of social liberalism targeted to elites and hostile to the interests of the poor and the working class...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/how-neoliberalism-became-the-lefts-favorite-insult.html

Worth reading the whole thing.

edit: oops it wasn't in this thread, it was in the Trump Presidency v1 thread
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #485 on: July 17, 2017, 12:18:00 AM »
It's true, I use it all the time.

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #486 on: July 17, 2017, 12:35:54 AM »

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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #487 on: July 17, 2017, 03:02:07 AM »
Thanks for reading the article and providing substantive discussion, guys.  :-* :-* :-*
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« Reply #488 on: July 17, 2017, 03:07:59 AM »
Liberal and left aren't synonymous. Quite the opposite

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« Reply #490 on: July 17, 2017, 03:49:54 AM »
Liberal and left aren't synonymous. Quite the opposite

no shit that's sort of central to the article
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #491 on: July 17, 2017, 03:51:06 AM »
http://bennorton.com/jonathan-chait-former-journalist-approves-of-label-neoliberal-activist/

he brought it on himself.

That's a great own and all, but I'm really more interested in the actual substance of the article.
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #492 on: July 17, 2017, 12:54:43 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2-more-gop-senators-oppose-health-bill-killing-it-for-now/ar-BBECpPW?li=BBnb7Kz

TrumpCare dead...for now, I guess.  Simultaneously too harsh and not harsh enough.  Going to be interesting to see if R's (continue to) sabotage the ACA to back up their false claim that the ACA is cratering.

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« Reply #493 on: July 17, 2017, 02:09:47 PM »
I really hope I'm wrong and there's nothing to worry about with this stuff.

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« Reply #494 on: July 17, 2017, 11:25:13 PM »
We need to drive a stake thru its heart and stuff its mouth with garlic.
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« Reply #495 on: July 17, 2017, 11:40:53 PM »
I really hope I'm wrong and there's nothing to worry about with this stuff.

Trump was back on twitter yesterday crying for it to be repealed and replaced later. As bad as the GOP is they wouldn't be that insane would they? I guess they can't repeal it without 2/3rds majority, right?
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #496 on: July 18, 2017, 12:04:09 AM »
They can repeal it without a replacement, but they won't. The effects of that would be even worse than AHCA or BCRA (the Trumpcare bills), and it's evident now that they wouldn't be able to get enough moderate votes (Collins, Heller, Portman, Murkowski, Capito). If they have a straight repeal vote, as Trump has called for and McConnell has suggested, it will be McConnell's way of saying "fuck this, I tried," and it will fail.
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« Reply #497 on: July 18, 2017, 01:24:27 AM »
At this point, a bigger concern might be the Party refocusing on damaging the existing ACA.

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« Reply #498 on: July 18, 2017, 02:23:44 AM »
Agree.
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Re: Supreme Court Rules on "Obamacare"
« Reply #499 on: July 18, 2017, 03:44:12 AM »
Repeal of ACA with no replacement is dead, based on statements by R moderates.
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