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Title: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 02, 2014, 06:09:52 AM
Per Bloody Elbow....

"In calling the partnership a "seminal moment" for the UFC and the sport of mixed martial arts, Fertitta explained that "the vast majority, if not all, of the revenues" from the deal will be redistributed to the UFC's roster. Fighters will earn a tiered sponsorship income dependent on their ranking the day of weigh-ins prior to their fight, regardless of card placement. Champions will bank the most money, followed by (in descending order): fighters ranked No. 1 to No. 5 in their division, fighters ranked No. 6 to No. 10, fighters ranked No. 11 to No. 15, and unranked fighters.

While not delving deep into detail, Fertitta explained that each fighter will be distinguished by their own personalized kit, and that in addition to a flat sponsorship income, athletes are also expected to receive 20-percent royalty payments dependent on sales for their individualized kits into perpetuity, meaning retired fighters will also draw from the program."

Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 02, 2014, 06:10:33 AM
Initial thoughts: it is an absolutely god-awful, terrible idea to let the media rankings dictate fighter pay.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on December 02, 2014, 07:11:06 AM
I agree. That is the only problem I see with it.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 02, 2014, 07:16:53 AM
You don't see a problem with the fighters having zero input and not being consulted at all?

The biggest winner here? Bellator. When summer of 2015 rolls around they'll be benefiting from all the sponsors who'll have been dropped by the UFC plus the influx of talent available when WSOF closes up shop which will be happening pretty soon.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on December 02, 2014, 07:18:27 AM
What's the proper way to determine rankings?

It's a great idea with a shitty execution.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on December 02, 2014, 07:23:12 AM
You don't see a problem with the fighters having zero input and not being consulted at all?

The biggest winner here? Bellator. When summer of 2015 rolls around they'll be benefiting from all the sponsors who'll have been dropped by the UFC plus the influx of talent available when WSOF closes up shop which will be happening pretty soon.

This is good for the fighters. It has been well known that the lower-ranked fighters make most of their money off sponsorships, but there are just as many stories of fighters not getting paid from sponsors/chasing them around to get their money/sponsors going out of business leaving the fighters with nothing.

No matter what, this guarentees they get paid and as much as some people on the internet like to put everything the UFC does in a negative light, I highly doubt the UFC is willing to receive the backlash if they aren't at least matching what the lower teir fighters make.

And from what it sounds like, the fighters will still get to pick the colors and what they want on their gear. It's just the only logo will be Reebok and the UFC. And if they can come up with cool designs and people buy them, they get a cut.

And you are right about Bellator also winning in this situation. It seems like this deal is win/win all around.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on December 02, 2014, 07:34:56 AM
I see it too as something for journeyman fighters to fight for. Damian Maia will probably never be champion but if the pay bump from a Top 10 fighter and a Top 5 fighter is substantial enough, it could mean a difference in his life and his career.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 02, 2014, 07:45:31 AM
I take issue with the top five of the womens 125 lb. division possibly making more then a veteran of another division who sits just outside the top ten or just inside it.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on December 02, 2014, 07:55:01 AM
Again. Great idea, shitty execution.

In a couple years it'll balance out.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on December 02, 2014, 02:25:44 PM
I take issue with the top five of the womens 125 lb. division possibly making more then a veteran of another division who sits just outside the top ten or just inside it.

Why? The womens division has nothing to do with the mens.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 03, 2014, 01:08:32 AM
But the same rules apply as far as higher-ranked fighters making more money, right?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on December 03, 2014, 06:15:17 AM
So if you worked in the PR department for a company, you would be upset that a woman in the accounting department would be making more money than you?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 03, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Do you or do you not get my point? There are divisions that, due to it being in it's infancy will have fighters with NO NAME VALUE AND NO DRAWING POWER making more money then established, popular, tenured names who are just outside the top five. Are you ok with this?

Edit: If I have the gist of the deal wrong then I apologize but that's how things appear on the surface with how the UFC has presented the system.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on December 03, 2014, 07:08:37 AM
I get what you are saying.

But if Todd Duffee is upset that Sarah Kaufman makes more money than he does because shes ranked higher in her division than he is in his, it means that he should spend more time worrying about his ranking and earn that raise.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 03, 2014, 07:27:11 AM
I also understand what you're saying- if fighters want to get more money, win fights to get into ranked positions and the money will come.

The problem then becomes the beauracracy within the UFC of who they favour with certain matchups. If guys like Jon Fitch or Yushin Okami were still with the UFC today I guarantee the UFC would sandbag them with either lower or unranked fights so they wouldn't have to pay them as much.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on December 03, 2014, 08:30:15 AM
I agree - but Jon Fitch and Okami were still ranked in the top 5 when they were cut.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: RavishingRickRudo on December 03, 2014, 12:59:34 PM
Wait was this the big announcement Dana White was going to do at the press conference they had a few weeks back?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on December 03, 2014, 01:15:58 PM
Yeah this was supposed to be the groundbreaking announcement for that THE TIME IS NOW THE TIME IS NOW THE TIME IS NOW THE TIME IS NOW press conference.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on December 04, 2014, 03:41:54 AM
(http://www.gifwave.com/media/40322/waynes-world-garth-dana-carvey-reebok-product-placement.gif)
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: jimmy no nose on December 04, 2014, 06:24:46 AM
I wish I knew how much guys were pulling in from sponsors. I really have no idea how to compare here. I just saw that the real is worth $70 million over 6 years. That's under $12 million per year. That's enough to make up for what every single fighter combined was pulling in?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 05, 2014, 07:25:10 AM
Edit: Wrong thread. Bah.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: MikeofEvil on December 06, 2014, 09:31:42 AM
I for one haven't been interested in sponsors in the UFC since I stopped seeing 'Condom Depot' across everyone's backsides. It was always across their arse. I found that hilarious given MMA is not, shall we say, the most forward-thinking environment in the world.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on December 09, 2014, 03:45:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5MZXryN.jpg)


Bad few days for him as he implies towards the end of Rogan telling him to accept he'll never be elite is that one of the reasons he'll continue fighting is that he made a stupid amount just based off of half his sponsors.

Hey what does this do for the foreign fighters who have sweet deals set up with companies in their home countries and the big names who had their own Nike deals in Brazil and Europe?


Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: jimmy no nose on December 09, 2014, 10:09:56 PM
During that interview Schaub also said that in the past he has made double what he gets from the fight off of sponsorship money.  He got $32,000 for the fight Saturday night.  If he was really making anything close to $60,000 per fight from sponsors (or even half that really), guys like him are going to get killed on this deal.  The money just isn't there for guys who are either ranked 10-15 or unranked to pull in anything close to that amount.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: RavishingRickRudo on December 10, 2014, 02:50:08 PM
I'm betting that the UFC had a lot of pressure from their sponsors to eliminate the fighters sponsors.  Let's say that bud light is paying $50,000 per show to be on the octagon mat and dynamic fasteners is paying 10 fighters $500 to be on their shorts and if it is a 10 fight card you are going to have Bud Light roughly getting the same amount of screen time as dynamic fasteners but paying ten times more.  And I imagine there would be pressure from blue-chip sponsors and broadcast partners to get rid of "city chiropractic" for example, on a fighter shorts because that is somewhat second rate and not really equal to the advertisers and sponsors being shown On other fox sports programs. 
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on January 15, 2015, 08:20:26 AM
"Not only will the athletes be required to wear Reebok apparel throughout fight week, whenever cameras are around, their corner people must do the same, according to Bleacher Report, which obtained the UFC's new Athlete Outfitting Policy and detailed it Wednesday. The policy goes into effect in July.

If someone in the fighter's corner refuses to comply with the UFC's new uniform rules, said fighter will be subject to "penalties, fines and may be removed from the fight." Of course, the same goes if the fighter himself or herself decides not to wear Reebok during fight week.


Well-known coach Greg Jackson has already told Sherdog that he stands to lose quite a bit of sponsor money from this new deal.

So, what do fight-week events consist of exactly? Well, any kind of open workouts, media day, weigh-ins and press conferences. Fighters must be essentially dressed head-to-toe in Reebok throughout those activities. Upon check-in at the host hotel, each competitor will get a ton of Reebok gear: a hoodie, t-shirt, workout shorts, weigh-in shorts, weigh-in walkout sweatpants, a weigh-in t-shirt, a weigh-in walkout hoodie, a weigh-in hat, a gym bag, socks, shoes and even underwear. Women's fighters will get a sports bra, too.

The one exception is for press conferences fighters are allowed to wear business or business casual attire with no visible logos rather than Reebok.

The UFC's rules regarding Reebok-only duds also stretch to UFC-produced shows like UFC Tonight, UFC Embedded, The Ultimate Fighter, UFC Countdown, Ultimate Insider and Road to the Octagon. The same goes for anyone else appearing on UFC programming -- training partners, people at gyms and guests, too, according to Bleacher Report's Jeremy Botter."

This is p. fucked.

Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 15, 2015, 08:24:35 AM
lol
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on January 15, 2015, 08:33:58 AM
They're going to have to shoot some many goddamn retakes of the Embedded episodes when somebody inevitably wanders into a background shot wearing....not Reebok.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on January 15, 2015, 08:38:10 AM
Yeah, its pretty strict and is honestly probably illegal, but as a fighter, I don't think I would give a shit unless I was getting a smaller paycheck than I was before.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on January 15, 2015, 08:42:07 AM
The article also talks about how fighters get first dibs on colour for their gear depending on rankings. Pettis Pink? Velasquez Violet? Lawler Lemon-Yellow?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on April 26, 2015, 04:21:34 PM
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/451629/Rumored-price-tier-for-athletes-under-UFC-Reebok-deal/

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The email, signed by UFC CEO Fertitta and the organization’s president, White, stated: “This means that you will be compensated for your compliance with the AOP based on the number of cumulative bouts in which you have fought, rather than your current standing in the UFC rankings. The cumulative bouts will include the upcoming bout for which you are getting compensated.”

The deal also contains higher payouts for champions and title challengers.

The email further states that the UFC will “within the next few weeks” disclose payment tiers. It’s expected to roughly approximate $5,000 for fighters with zero to five UFC fights, $8,000-$10,000 for five to ten fights, $12,000-$15,000 for 11-15 fights, and $18,000-$20,000 for 16-20 fights


They did it, they found a way to pay fighters even less money.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2015, 04:22:47 PM
We should feel grateful that MMA is monopolized and all these guys can fight under one banner because if they're paid more we'll never get to see good fights again.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on April 27, 2015, 05:15:33 AM
I want that Tibau money.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: NoCalMike on April 27, 2015, 05:30:12 AM
Wow. It just never ends with the Fertittas.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: jimmy no nose on May 06, 2015, 01:58:50 PM
They put out the official numbers today. They're a little different from what was reported, though not too far off.

Champion: $40,000
Title Challenger: $30,000
21+ Fights: $20,000
16-20 Fights: $15,000
11-15 Fights: $10,000
6-10 Fights: $5,000
1-5 Fights: $2,500

Brendan Schaub said he has made 6 figures in sponsorship money from each of his last 6 fights.  He's definitely gotten a boost from his podcast fame, but 6 fights actually takes him back to 2011 when he fought Nogueira. 

Even Roger Narvaez said he made $5,000 from a single sponsor his last fight.

They also mentioned that fighters will get a percentage of their merchandise sales, but it said that percentage will be determined by their existing merchandise rights agreements, which I assume means they won't be getting anything that they weren't getting before.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on May 06, 2015, 02:57:29 PM
Wow, starting to sound bad.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on May 06, 2015, 06:41:21 PM
They just made it a lot easier for their competition to be able to keep their talent and acquire a lot of mid level talent that will not be resigning... there's literally no incentive if another talent on a Eddie Alvarez level was thinking about making the jump over.

Bravo
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 07, 2015, 03:07:30 AM
Tim Kennedy tweeted "Hi @BellatorMMA #Reebok". Won't be shocked if UFC loses legit top ten guys over this.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 07, 2015, 04:07:56 AM
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I made more from sponsors in my last fight than someone with 20 UFC fights.
Vinny Magalhaes


Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 07, 2015, 04:13:44 AM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/7/8564037/josh-samman-looks-at-reebok-ufc-fighter-pay

Guys like Ragin Al:

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Al Iaquinta @ALIAQUINTA  ·  5h 5 hours ago

First thought as I woke up this morning... I'm making 5 thousand dollars in sponsors for my next fight!

Hey Floyd here's 40k and no you can't have Burger King walk out with you! Here wear these generic shorts all week don't likem? Too bad
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 07, 2015, 04:14:34 AM

Al Iaquinta @ALIAQUINTA  ·  5h 5 hours ago

Lebron unless you have 20 seasons, you are still at 2nd tier in sponsors bro
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 07, 2015, 04:17:20 AM
The greatest challenge to their monopoly was always themselves.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: jimmy no nose on May 07, 2015, 04:22:10 AM
I'm curious how UFC fighter contracts have been worded where this doesn't constitute a material change that would allow them to break current deals and at least renegotiate if not leave.

If Schaub's numbers are accurate he was getting about 75% of his pay from sponsors and they just took away 90% of his sponsorship money. I can't believe guys wouldn't go out of their way to get something that important in clear writing to prevent a situation like this, but we haven't heard any rumblings there, so I'd assume they didn't.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on May 07, 2015, 06:33:33 AM
Those options went out the window when the UFC started making sponsors pay them a ridiculous amount just to be able to sponsor their fighters.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: NoCalMike on May 07, 2015, 06:47:50 AM
With guys like the Fertittas running the show there was little to no doubt they would be signing some kind of deal that would pay Zuffa lot and the fighters a very small portion.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 07, 2015, 07:41:00 AM
With guys like the Fertittas running the show there was little to no doubt they would be signing some kind of deal that would pay Zuffa lot and the fighters a very small portion.

There will be a fighter's union by the time the Reebok deal is over. Putting a cap on what the fighters are allowed to earn will be the last straw.


Not only that, but with fighter pay being what it is, how is MMA ever going to grow? Why would any elite athlete decide to commit to the sport when the earning potential is so limited?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on May 07, 2015, 07:52:34 AM
Everything seemed to have gone downhill the moment Rogan butchered the fighters names during the FOX announcement.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 07, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
With guys like the Fertittas running the show there was little to no doubt they would be signing some kind of deal that would pay Zuffa lot and the fighters a very small portion.

There will be a fighter's union by the time the Reebok deal is over. Putting a cap on what the fighters are allowed to earn will be the last straw.


Not only that, but with fighter pay being what it is, how is MMA ever going to grow? Why would any elite athlete decide to commit to the sport when the earning potential is so limited?

If they can go to Bellator, WSOF or even OneFC and make more money then the UFC they will. The market has never been more open then it is now because of the Reebok deal.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 07, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
One thing that would make things easier; the UFC doesn't have goddamn 600 fighters on their roster.

You don't need more than 250, fighting three times a year so let's say 375 fights, that's three cards a month with ten fights per, all highly skilled because you keep the best of the best. They really need to prune the roster once the Fox deal is drawing to a close, I don't think Fox is going to need all that content after a certain point anyway.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on May 07, 2015, 03:08:03 PM
well, on the bright side, free clothes!  free hats!  free towels!  free Reebok Pumps!
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 10, 2015, 11:12:03 PM
Jimmo just voiced his displeasure about Reebok.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 11, 2015, 01:56:40 AM
Coker went on a call to try and add his voice to this situation, despite having his own issues with fighter treatment.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 11, 2015, 02:54:05 AM
Where's GSP at on all this? Surely that dude has something to say.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 11, 2015, 04:16:25 AM
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A major MMA prospect has decided to sign with Bellator instead of the UFC and the Reebok deal may have had something to do with it.

Ed Ruth, who is a three-time national wrestling champion and four-time all American, has decided to go with Bellator MMA

The Penn State wrestler talked to MMAFighting about his decision and revealed that sponsorships did come into play.

“I’ve known for a long time now that after I get Olympic gold around my neck, I was going to go get some MMA gold for my waist. I’ve been talking with all the major organizations, and at the end of the day, I really believe in what Scott Coker is doing with Bellator. They’re signing the top talent, they’re putting on exciting fights, and they’re letting me secure my own sponsors.

“It will be a little while until I step into the cage for the first time, but when I do, everyone they put in front of me is in for a world of hurt.”

Is this the first step in top talent going elsewhere because of the UFC’s Reebok deal?

People have been talking about this dude for YEARS. He might change his mind depending on how fast the UFC handles the Reebok situation after he's built his own name up in MMA, but this is AS REAL AS IT GETS
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 11, 2015, 05:18:03 AM
The Olympic coverage for him should be really interesting with him already signed to an MMA promotion. Plus, they're in our hemisphere this time. Should be easy to watch him.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 11, 2015, 06:05:00 AM
So we're getting hyped on somebody who might not debut until sometime in 2017?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on May 11, 2015, 06:17:37 AM
Don't get hyped...

(http://vafloc02.s3.amazonaws.com/isyn/images/f383/img-263383-m.jpg)
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 11, 2015, 06:18:28 AM
So we're getting hyped on somebody who might not debut until sometime in 2017?

We should. He's going to enter the sport with the same athletic credentials that Cejudo had and it only took 2 years for Cejudo to look like one of the best fighters in his weight class. He'll also still be a young guy when he makes his debut.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 11, 2015, 06:25:40 AM
I know who Ruth is and it's certainly awesome he's transitioning to mma but nobody's going to remember this news a month from now and for all we know the Reebok deal will be greatly restructured by that point.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 11, 2015, 07:53:51 AM
http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/12866842/ed-ruth-ncaa-wrestling-champion-signs-bellator-mma
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Broward on May 13, 2015, 04:03:59 PM
Didn't Rogan get all snippy with Schaub about him talking about how he was going to get fucked on this deal and telling him he should be lucky to still be in the UFC?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 14, 2015, 12:59:39 AM
Rogan took Schaub to task when Brendan tried to downplay the effects of all the knockouts he's suffered inside the cage, don't recall their being a discussion about Reebok. All I remember clearly is Joe telling him that Cain or JDS would fuck him up and the awkward silences.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 14, 2015, 08:37:03 AM
Possibly related to this, the Federal Trade Commission is reopening an investigation into the UFC.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/05/ftc-contacting-managers-reopening-ufc-investigation?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: jimmy no nose on May 16, 2015, 07:48:02 AM
Dana White went on some show and was asked about Schaub saying he was making 6 figures per fight from sponsors and Dana said flat out that Schaub was a liar.

Schaub was on Joe Rogan's fight companion show this morning and Rogan said Schaub brought the sponsor agreements and showed them to Rogan and they confirmed that Schaub was telling the truth.  Schaub said Dana pretty much just read the names off of his banner which mostly weren't even sponsors, just names of gyms he'd trained with.  He said Dana also named some company that has never sponsored him and he wasn't even sure what it was.  Rogan encouraged him to post those documents somewhere, but it seemed like he didn't want to make a scene.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on May 16, 2015, 08:11:33 AM
lol come on uncle dana
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 16, 2015, 09:30:32 AM
Gotta watch that fight companion.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 18, 2015, 07:36:05 AM
Aljamain spoke out today.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 19, 2015, 06:29:56 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/donald-cerrone-says-he-stands-to-lose--60k-per-fight-with-new-reebok-deal-230557391-mma.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw

60K per fight? Goddamn.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 19, 2015, 06:42:03 AM
That's fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 19, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
I don't sadly see anything changes until a big-name fighter with a lot of media pull chooses to not renew their contract and goes elsewhere.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on May 19, 2015, 07:05:10 AM
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The fighter will wear a Reebok uniform inside the cage, along with one UFC-mandated sponsor to accompany it.

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Cerrone, fortunately, has deals with UFC-affiliated sponsors Fram & Budweiser. Both companies are event sponsors for the UFC and will be one of the select companies that will be featured along with Reebok on a fighter's uniform. Those exclusive deals should help Cerrone recoup some of his losses, but he is admittedly one of the lucky ones.

I didn't hear about this. Will Fram, Budweiser or anyone else the UFC allows to be on the uniforms and make up some of the pay for these guys?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 19, 2015, 07:14:47 AM
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The fighter will wear a Reebok uniform inside the cage, along with one UFC-mandated sponsor to accompany it.

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Cerrone, fortunately, has deals with UFC-affiliated sponsors Fram & Budweiser. Both companies are event sponsors for the UFC and will be one of the select companies that will be featured along with Reebok on a fighter's uniform. Those exclusive deals should help Cerrone recoup some of his losses, but he is admittedly one of the lucky ones.

I didn't hear about this. Will Fram, Budweiser or anyone else the UFC allows to be on the uniforms and make up some of the pay for these guys?

The UFC mandated sponsor pays the UFC, not the fighters.

No, I am not joking.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on May 19, 2015, 07:27:25 AM
But then the UFC can give them a fair percentage!
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 19, 2015, 12:20:25 PM
FWIW Cerrone is cool with the Reebok deal but I assume that's because of the amount of fights he's had in the UFC coupled with the fact that he's sponsored by Fram and Budweiser which are two Zuffa-approved sponsors.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 19, 2015, 12:44:04 PM
He said it was 'awesome'. But he's a glass half-full kinda guy.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 22, 2015, 07:15:04 AM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/21/8633115/ufc-interview-ryan-jimmo-fighters-abusive-relationship-reebok

The Big Deal going HAM on Dana and Co. Mad respect to him, most guys are too scared to say anything much less go this in-depth with their comments.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 28, 2015, 02:24:47 AM
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Chick Hernandez: Can you confirm for us the reports out there that the UFC's new deal with Reebok is worth $70 million?

Dana White: [Laughs] Oh yeah... Well, yeah. The deal, the Reebok deal is not all in cash, either. It's product, too. 

(http://i.imgur.com/mJgOuyW.gif)
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 28, 2015, 02:55:27 AM
Guaranteed that if Jimmo wins this Saturday he doesn't get mic time and if he loses he's cut.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 28, 2015, 10:12:14 AM
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"Me and my manager did a balance and saw that we will lose a lot of money because of this deal. We lose around R$ 40000 (about US $15000) monthly. This Rebook deal is hard for people who have lots of sponsors, because is restrains a lot, and sponsors can pay the amount they would normally to be exposed at a fight, when the athlete gives them the major return."

 "We're talking to Joe Silva so we can get that back and not lose that much. It's the last fight of my contract, and I know I have a good fight so I can renew it and we can recover this money we are losing. We are planning this, and the talks are good, it's hard but we're trying"
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 29, 2015, 04:41:32 AM
Rumors floating that the Reebok deal was done to help make the UFC more presentable to sell off. The Fertitta's Casino corporation is also making moves to become publicly traded.
let's take it to the Reebok thread!

the UFC would be better off with new owners who actually know how to grow a business at that level. There's no value in buying the UFC if you're not planning on operating it, so as long as the new ownership group has a legit successful financial history, a sale would be good with me.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 29, 2015, 06:38:13 AM
UFC has upped its entry level pay, presumably due to the bad press surrounding the Reebok deal. Lowest a fighter will make is 10K/10K.

In regards to the sale, anything that gets Dana away from the mic is fine by me.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on May 30, 2015, 03:11:01 PM
Oh man with new ownership does that mean the shitty numetal card theme is gone? It's incredible to think how something as insignificant as that in the presentation still brings to mind how the company hasn't evolved since it first blew up a decade ago.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on June 02, 2015, 11:42:45 AM
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The UFC return of former lightweight No. 1 contender T.J. Grant remains very much in doubt.

According to a recent report in the Regina Leader-Post, Grant has taken a job in a potash mine near Bethune, Saskatchewan, in order to support his family.

“To be honest I haven’t really worked a regular job since maybe 2005,” Grant told the Leader-Post. “Basically, I’ve gotta make a living. When you’re injured it’s one of those sports where you can live off what you made for a little bit, but we don’t make that much money so you have to go on to other things.”
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on June 03, 2015, 01:46:44 AM
Well he hasn't fought in 2 years and probably wasn't making a ton of base salary pay, didn't win a lot of bonuses either. Makes sense he'd need to take another job.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on June 03, 2015, 03:56:55 AM
He should have got bonuses for finishing tough guys. He got one for the Evan Dunham fight, funny enough.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on June 03, 2015, 05:34:36 AM
Guess he should send a thank you card to Mike Tyson for getting him KOOTN over Maynard then.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on June 03, 2015, 05:46:04 AM
The dude made 235k over a year and a half and I'm suppose to feel sorry for him that he got a job 2-3 years later? It sucks he can't fight anymore, don't get me wrong, but the dude made decent money for fighting a handful of times.

At what point do we say, hey fighter, you SHOULD get paid more...but maybe you should invest better?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on June 03, 2015, 05:49:22 AM
I've been saying that for a while. If you look at what some guys make and how they spend their money it's mind-boggling.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on June 03, 2015, 05:52:14 AM
The truth of the matter is a lot of the UFC fights do have part-time gigs outside of fighting. These gigs include teaching/owning at gyms, doing media appearances and sponsorship that you don't see come fight time. And from what I've been told first hand from UFC fighters, Dana and the Fertittas take care of you if they like you.

Is the Reebok deal taking away from the banners that the fighters have at the cage?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on June 03, 2015, 09:27:16 AM
The truth of the matter is a lot of the UFC fights do have part-time gigs outside of fighting. These gigs include teaching/owning at gyms, doing media appearances and sponsorship that you don't see come fight time. And from what I've been told first hand from UFC fighters, Dana and the Fertittas take care of you if they like you.

Is the Reebok deal taking away from the banners that the fighters have at the cage?


No sponsors on banners at cageside, IIRC.

Teaching/training is extremely hard to make a decent living at it, in fact many guys go broke opening a gym. That's not a realistic outcome, there's not this huge market for mma gyms. These guys aren't necessarily good coaches who should be teaching at even someone else's gym, they're supposed to be fighters so this shouldn't even be a requirement. Can you imagine if after Eli Manning struggled in his rookie year, the Giants said "well we'll pay you minimum wage now, gotta prove you're worthy" and he took a side job teaching QB camps in order to keep following his NFL dream? How can anyone look at the way UFC fighters are treated compared to other sports and not have a complete lack of respect for them?

He didn't just make that money fighting a handful of times, he busted ass for years and years to get that opportunity. The point is he didn't just fight, he fought at a high level and won. He was the cream of the crop, there's a difference between TJ Grant fighting five times and Cezar Mutante fighting five times, TJ Grant is a world class fighter. 235k over a year and a half before taxes and expenses for that kind of performance is a joke. If a guy who is a title contender is paid like 7x less than the league MINIMUM in real sports, imagine what guys below him are paid. 

Also there's no indication TJ Grant was poor with his money, that's a strawman.

I get why most keep arguing against the fighters, they don't wanna rock the boat. Also, they don't give a shit about fair pay (HEY YOU MADE SIX FIGURES LAST YEAR BRO THATS MORE THAN ME SHUTUP STOP WHINING). But forget about ethics and just think about it as a fan who likes fights; there's not going to be much of a sport if there isn't an incentive for athletes to enter.

I mean really, 235k is a lot of money for that kind of work? He is risking his brain and health every time he steps in there against a highly trained killer (he wasn't fighting bums), putting a lot of work in the gym and doing it in front of a shitload of people. He's worth a lot more than that, and if you want to keep replacing him with fresh talent you better do something about it.

Why do you think Cro Cop, Dan Henderson, Mark Hunt, Anthony Johnson, Vitor Belfort are still main eventing in 2015? Where are all the young bucks? It's okay, there will be very few if any great fighters above 185 because anyone who is a good enough athlete will just pick a sport where they can actually make money.

UFC fighters get about 10% of the revenues that Zuffa brings in. In other sports, it's usually 50/50. In boxing, it's 70/30. I would love to hear a justification for the UFC's number.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on June 04, 2015, 06:26:34 AM
I dunno if this is necessarily the thread for this but I found it pretty interesting (and surprising) that Tom Duquesnoy has decided to re-sign with BAMMA rather then test his skills in the UFC. I haven't read anything that indicates that the Reebok deal was a tipping point but I think it probably had something to do with it.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on June 04, 2015, 07:00:24 AM
That is surprising, he might be the most hyped prospect in the world that isn't fighting in either the UFC or one of the second-tier promotions.

It could also be because he doesn't think he's ready, he's only like 21, 22. But yeah, normally the UFC would be all over a guy like him. I hope he gives an interview explaining his decision.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on June 04, 2015, 07:47:34 AM
The truth of the matter is a lot of the UFC fights do have part-time gigs outside of fighting. These gigs include teaching/owning at gyms, doing media appearances and sponsorship that you don't see come fight time. And from what I've been told first hand from UFC fighters, Dana and the Fertittas take care of you if they like you.

Is the Reebok deal taking away from the banners that the fighters have at the cage?

No sponsors on banners at cageside, IIRC.

Teaching/training is extremely hard to make a decent living at it, in fact many guys go broke opening a gym. That's not a realistic outcome, there's not this huge market for mma gyms. These guys aren't necessarily good coaches who should be teaching at even someone else's gym, they're supposed to be fighters so this shouldn't even be a requirement. Can you imagine if after Eli Manning struggled in his rookie year, the Giants said "well we'll pay you minimum wage now, gotta prove you're worthy" and he took a side job teaching QB camps in order to keep following his NFL dream? How can anyone look at the way UFC fighters are treated compared to other sports and not have a complete lack of respect for them?

He didn't just make that money fighting a handful of times, he busted ass for years and years to get that opportunity. The point is he didn't just fight, he fought at a high level and won. He was the cream of the crop, there's a difference between TJ Grant fighting five times and Cezar Mutante fighting five times, TJ Grant is a world class fighter. 235k over a year and a half before taxes and expenses for that kind of performance is a joke. If a guy who is a title contender is paid like 7x less than the league MINIMUM in real sports, imagine what guys below him are paid. 

Also there's no indication TJ Grant was poor with his money, that's a strawman.

I get why most keep arguing against the fighters, they don't wanna rock the boat. Also, they don't give a shit about fair pay (HEY YOU MADE SIX FIGURES LAST YEAR BRO THATS MORE THAN ME SHUTUP STOP WHINING). But forget about ethics and just think about it as a fan who likes fights; there's not going to be much of a sport if there isn't an incentive for athletes to enter.

I mean really, 235k is a lot of money for that kind of work? He is risking his brain and health every time he steps in there against a highly trained killer (he wasn't fighting bums), putting a lot of work in the gym and doing it in front of a shitload of people. He's worth a lot more than that, and if you want to keep replacing him with fresh talent you better do something about it.

Why do you think Cro Cop, Dan Henderson, Mark Hunt, Anthony Johnson, Vitor Belfort are still main eventing in 2015? Where are all the young bucks? It's okay, there will be very few if any great fighters above 185 because anyone who is a good enough athlete will just pick a sport where they can actually make money.

UFC fighters get about 10% of the revenues that Zuffa brings in. In other sports, it's usually 50/50. In boxing, it's 70/30. I would love to hear a justification for the UFC's number.

Sorry bruh but they can go get a REAL JOB... I'm sure Florian BJ & Hughes can return if it gets too bad. THERES ALSO THE KOSCHECKS TO HOLD IT DOWN UNTIL "DO YOU WANNA BE A FUCKING FIGHTER??!!" STUDS RETURN TO THIS SPORT.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on June 04, 2015, 08:12:45 AM
I want a TUF 1 invasion like the way Nexxus debuted in WWE.

"Joe that....that's Chris Sandford from season one of The Ultimate Fighter....what the hell is he doing outside the octagon?!"
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on June 04, 2015, 09:04:33 AM
Bobby Southworth with the Tarver bandana = $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on July 03, 2015, 01:55:12 PM
http://www.fightopinion.com/2015/07/01/reebok-burning-tire-ufc-dumpster-fire/

This sums up my feelings so well.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on July 03, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
There's not a sentence in that article that doesn't scream "We hate Zuffa!"
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: MikeofEvil on July 24, 2015, 04:28:13 AM
Dana White, PR genius:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/07/dana-white-spent-last-night-humiliating-every-ufc-fan-who-dared-to-criticize-him
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: tekcop on July 24, 2015, 04:58:12 AM
Humiliating? That was some Donald Trump level trash talk.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Youth N Asia on July 24, 2015, 05:41:08 AM
Yeah. Many of his replies were more or less "Pfft. How many Twitter followers you got, bro?!"
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on July 29, 2015, 08:46:28 AM
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"It's just a matter of time," Ortiz said Tuesday at a Bellator: Dynamite media day in Hollywood. "Rome crumbles from inside and that's what they're going to do. They're going to crumble from inside. They're their worst enemies. I could just sit back and nobody is gonna talk trash about Dana, talk trash about the UFC. I'll let them do their own damage."

"At the end of the day, us fighters, all we have is respect," Ortiz said. "If you're a cutman, all you have is respect. We're trying to feed our family. A company is making so much money. Cut us in on pieces of it. That business didn't like to do that and that's why I left. I wasn't being respected. I wasn't getting my piece of the pie."

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"How can you respect a guy that runs a company and goes on Twitter rants, who calls people all the names that he calls people?" Koscheck told Bleacher Report. "I think it's childish. He's supposed to be the president of a major company, a billion dollar company, and that's how he acts? You don't see Roger Goodell doing things like that.

"And you won't see [Bellator CEO] Scott Coker going on Twitter and telling people they look goofy or fat. Or, ‘we got that many years out of you, thanks for your money.' Come on. It's embarrassing. I don't want to work for a guy like that."

"This is just my opinion, but I think Dana is just the front boy for the Fertittas," said Koscheck. "He's their little errand b---h. They're losing fans every day because of the things he does. The UFC has done a great job. They built this sport. They put a lot of dollars in, and they took a lot of risk. I can respect the fact that he works his ass off. But there are other things that I can't respect."
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on August 01, 2015, 04:40:22 AM
I wish we saw that Tito/Dana boxing match.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: jimmy no nose on August 12, 2015, 03:57:18 AM
Everyone had been reporting that fighters got 20% of the money from their merchandise sales. Turns out that's not even close to true. UFC gets 15% of merchandise sales then pays 20% of their cut to the fighters. So the actual breakdown of the revenue split for merchandise sales is 85% Reebok, 12% UFC, 3% fighters. So much for all the money going to the fighters.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on August 12, 2015, 07:49:12 AM
Everyone had been reporting that fighters got 20% of the money from their merchandise sales. Turns out that's not even close to true. UFC gets 15% of merchandise sales then pays 20% of their cut to the fighters. So the actual breakdown of the revenue split for merchandise sales is 85% Reebok, 12% UFC, 3% fighters. So much for all the money going to the fighters.

No. It’s not true. Amazing how quickly speculation becomes fact. https://t.co/yDuiDGRk0M
— Jeremy Botter (@jeremybotter) August 11, 2015


@SBNLukeThomas They don’t receive a cut out of the UFC’s cut. Merch cut comes directly from Reebok.
— Jeremy Botter (@jeremybotter) August 11, 2015
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on September 05, 2015, 03:19:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COGhiJjWUAAwwzD.jpg)

cmon
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on September 05, 2015, 03:37:18 AM
I have no issue with the fighters unionizing (though I think an association like the NHLPA would be better for them) but allying with a group that is actively working against them in New York is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on September 09, 2015, 07:01:49 AM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/9/9/9289197/ufc-joe-rogan-dana-under-investigation-forced-to-upgrade-to-iphone
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on September 26, 2015, 01:27:25 AM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/9/25/9363209/ufc-loses-motion-to-dismiss-antitrust-lawsuit-mma-news
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on September 26, 2015, 04:19:46 AM
So one judge says Bellator can do it with Eddie Alvarez while another says UFC can't do it at all. Gotta love the legal system.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 01, 2015, 01:43:37 AM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/27/8665437/ufc-survey-on-reebok-deal-what-fighters-really-think-sponsor
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 01, 2015, 03:27:38 AM
If anyone thinks these guys are just gonna take it up the ass and be cool with losing $10,000 a fight the rest of their career, if Bellator is interested in them when their contracts come up...nope.

This is called prize fighting, after all.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on November 02, 2015, 07:33:43 AM
It's going to take a Jones/Weidman/Aldo jumping ship to open things up. Koscheck and Thomson are knows commodities but don't have enough clout to cause a sea change of guys going over to Bellator.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 04, 2015, 08:50:40 AM
Ian McCall wants to get into the medical industry:

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“We’re totally legal; we cannot be shut down,” McCall said. “The feds can’t come in and f-ck with us. The state, we’re going to be paying them a lot of taxes. And we’re going to be very by the book because we’re going to be watched by the government.”

“We’re going to be a beautiful wellness center, like you’d see in Malibu,” he said. “It will be the nicest dispensary on the planet, guaranteed.”

“Our sport’s in ruin, financially,” he said. “Our sport sucks. It’s not what it used to be. It’s not what it was five years ago. It’s not even what it is when I first got to the UFC. It’s horrible, as far as finances. So I’ve got to get another job, just like many other fighters. This one could take me away from MMA.”

“It’s fun to fight on TV, and it’s fun to fight for the UFC, but they’re just so corporate. It’s just such big business now that it’s not fun, having to deal with all the other sh-t. We have to jump through all these hoops to do all this sh-t, and yet, we don’t make any money.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 09, 2015, 10:09:21 AM
(http://i0.wp.com/smackhisface.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/34.jpg?resize=723%2C477)

He immediately deleted it for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on November 10, 2015, 12:59:08 AM
His post also said nothing of the fact that Reebok's outfit for him had the Polish eagle in black which is a gigantic cultural no-no in Poland because it's the colour that Russia used when they invaded the country.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 10, 2015, 06:32:57 AM
I just realized the lack of positive steroid tests since this started...the dudes can't even afford to buy the shit now.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on November 10, 2015, 07:44:00 AM
Or the potential for long-term suspensions. Or that.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 10, 2015, 07:50:58 AM
http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/11/10/9703970/soccer-star-ronaldo-cuts-ties-with-ufc-fighters-following-unfair
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: NoCalMike on November 11, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
Hopefully this forces change. Keep throwing gas on this fire.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on December 01, 2015, 02:20:00 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVJuQCyUAAAtb-r.png)
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on December 01, 2015, 02:40:44 AM
In the beginning I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. But they've fucked this up from day one to the point where they're not even dropping the ball anymore. To drop the ball implies you managed to get a hold of it.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 01, 2015, 02:58:03 AM
Giblert Melendez will live on forever in the MMA Comedy Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Youth N Asia on December 01, 2015, 03:45:05 AM
They should have assigned just one goddamn guy to make sure these names and colors and everything was as it's supposed to be. How hard would this have been??? Just tell him "hey. This is your only job right now. Make sure this is all right."
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on December 01, 2015, 03:49:15 AM
Almost as bad as the names is the designs. I'm pretty sure a chimp with Down Syndrome could design something better. They're a crappy photoshop of a nation's flag, a fighter's often incorrect name and a big UFC and Reebok.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on December 01, 2015, 07:57:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVJuQCyUAAAtb-r.png)

When does this this Silva Anderson Aldo The Spider kid debut?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 02, 2015, 07:13:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MIcJDDq.png)

Truly a title fight nobody will ever forget. Because it didn't happen.

Edit: This is awesome. It says that he's their newest champion but he defended his belt. At heavyweight.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: MikeofEvil on December 16, 2015, 05:51:24 AM
...wait, what?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 16, 2015, 07:02:23 AM
Bader is at Light-Heavyweight, not HW. He's never been a champion. And it wasn't a brutal battle.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: MikeofEvil on December 17, 2015, 09:40:29 AM
That's what I thought...
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on December 21, 2015, 03:34:30 AM
http://smackhisface.com/2015/12/21/video-breaking-news-blackzilians-mma-camp-shutting-down/#
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 21, 2015, 03:52:46 AM
I was just about to post that.

Reebok is best for business doe.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 21, 2015, 05:02:28 AM
Just read that they're not shutting down. Crisis averted.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 21, 2015, 07:54:30 AM
UFC cameras picked up audio of Justin Bucholz saying "Fuck that shirt" after Danny Castillos fight. We need more of these moments.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on December 22, 2015, 05:41:54 AM
The Blackzilians thing is so untrue they're suing over it.

http://www.blackzilians.com/news/295/23/Official-statements-about-rumor.html (http://www.blackzilians.com/news/295/23/Official-statements-about-rumor.html)
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 06, 2016, 01:07:42 PM
http://mmajunkie.com/2016/01/following-serious-outfitting-policy-infractions-ufc-issues-3-payment-reductions?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

This is crazy.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 06, 2016, 01:44:38 PM
lol
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: NoCalMike on May 10, 2016, 12:12:50 PM
UFC is now up for sale.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/15503004/ufc-owners-advanced-talks-sell-promotion

EDIT: Moved to better thread.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 07, 2016, 09:17:59 AM
http://mmajunkie.com/2016/11/document-professional-fighters-associations-goals-include-experience-based-pensions-minimum-25k25k-purses-monthly-rehab-stipend/
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 07, 2016, 09:21:47 AM
It is funny though that a few of those people are Trump supporters.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on November 07, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
awesome
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on November 29, 2016, 01:04:52 AM
So this afternoon there will be a press conference at 4 pm featuring GSP, Cain, Dillashaw, Cowboy and Kennedy alongside Bjorn Rebney and Tim Danaher formerly of Bellator. They're promising that this is an "industry re-defining" announcement and the speculation is strong that this is going to be a CAA-backed union of fighters. All the above mentioned guys are CAA clients and ever since WME-IMG purchased UFC there's been constant discussion about a conflict of interest due to WME-IMG representing UFC fighters whose company they own.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: NoCalMike on November 29, 2016, 01:18:08 AM
This happening so quickly after the sale of the UFC has me thinking the Fertittas knew the writing was on the wall and wanted to get out while the getting was good.....(for the Fertittas)
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on November 29, 2016, 01:32:56 AM
That seems to be the popular opinion. There's also talk that all of this conflict of interest talk opens the UFC up to lawsuits.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 30, 2016, 07:10:30 AM
This union announcement is great. Lots of good points made about record profits not going towards the people who made them happen.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 30, 2016, 07:15:21 AM
GSP just threw shots at Dana. Wonder what his response will be.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: AA484 on November 30, 2016, 07:45:24 AM
The entirety of combat sports is one big goddamn racket.  From the lowliest amateur ranks to the highest professional ranks.  They fleece amateurs for all they have, making these young guys who don't make a lot to begin with pay out the ass just to fight three 2 minute rounds on the undercard in some armory they charge 40 dollars a ticket for.  It's highway robbery.  I've transitioned from fighting to coaching and will be cornering a couple of ladies next year on a local card.  It's gonna cost me 125 dollars.  To corner.  Unlike driving or carrying a concealed weapon, I don't have to provide them with anything in order to get a corner's license.  I could know dick all about fighting and they would have no idea if I were to go up there and corner as long as I have this piece of paper.  It's a crock.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 30, 2016, 07:51:57 AM
Rebney and the fighters involved just hinted at going on strike.

I think fighters are getting dicked anyway and don't have as much to lose as other athletes would in the same situation.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: NoCalMike on November 30, 2016, 08:02:40 AM
I'm interested to see if this leads to the books of UFC being opened and it being exposed that they aren't as profitable and "huge" as they like to pretend and they are dicking their fighters over so badly in order to maintain their own salaries.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 30, 2016, 08:10:13 AM
I think they are much more profitable than they pretend they are and that they're dicking the fighters over out of greed alone.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on November 30, 2016, 08:23:40 AM
GSP name-dropping Conor and saying that even with the money he pulls in he's being underpaid is a pretty serious shot at the UFC. Curious if McG responds.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on December 06, 2016, 07:29:18 AM
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Bjorn Rebney Verified account
‏@BjornRebney

.@danawhite You pay fighters 8 cents on the $. No pension, No benefits, No safety net & your Co.’s worth $4 Billion! U should be ashamed.

Bjorn has a big mouth for a guy with his history.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on December 06, 2016, 07:36:29 AM
Yeah but.........it's Bjorn. Those words ring pretty hollow when coming out of his mouth.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 16, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
So apparently Stipe hasn't been fighting because Overeem got paid more than him for a fight in Stipe's hometown where he was the only reason it sold out. He wants his contract fixed.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on January 16, 2017, 11:18:54 PM
Who knows, he might actually get what he wants here. Gotta believe that with Ronda looking at retirement and Conor out until fuck knows when that they'll have to start paying up to guys who have a name. Not that Stipe is on their level but as far as HW's go he's up there.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 01, 2017, 01:17:42 PM
Misha Cirkunov, Lorenz Larkin, and Rick Story are all no longer under contract and were removed from the UFC's rankings. The new owners are clueless and are going to destroy this whole thing.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 02, 2017, 12:20:59 AM
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Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on February 02, 2017, 12:50:31 AM
Story is pretty much and has been at gatekeeper status for a while now, he'd be a solid pickup for Bellator but they can live without him and if he was on an old contract he was likely making decent bank. UFC can live without him.

Letting Misha and Larkin go on the other hand is just crazy.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: ViciousFish on February 02, 2017, 01:45:22 AM
Apparently they were all offered new contracts and turned them down.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 02, 2017, 01:54:47 AM
Can't wait to see Ryan Bader fighting for a Bellator Title in 2019.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 02, 2017, 01:59:33 AM
Larkin is gonna leave.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 10, 2017, 11:30:57 AM
Apparently Cirkunov's negotiations went to shit and he's probably going elsewhere.

What a joke. Everyone figured out what they're worth and the UFC won't dip into their enormous profit margin in order to pay people. Struggling to think of a good Canadian fighter in the UFC now, which helps destroy their business there.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on February 10, 2017, 11:54:39 AM
Just get rid of 205. Jones, DC, Rumble and Gus can all fight there.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 17, 2017, 09:56:17 AM
They just released Nikita Krylov too. What are these people doing?
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 01, 2017, 04:37:59 AM
Cirkunov is back. Thought that would happen.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 16, 2017, 05:07:32 AM
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Rory is not getting the sponsorship money that he got in the UFC. I hope his base pay is good.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 16, 2017, 05:36:26 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4508400/UFC-champion-threatened-failure-sign-new-contract.html

Left Hook Larry is getting sued for over half a million US dollars.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: HSJ on May 16, 2017, 06:03:31 AM
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Rory is not getting the sponsorship money that he got in the UFC. I hope his base pay is good.

It says that he is choosing to take a cut in sponsorship money to establish a relationship with bigger companies. He could have made more if he wanted.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 16, 2017, 06:32:56 AM
I have my doubts that bigger companies will come to him.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 25, 2017, 11:40:02 PM
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Gegard-Mousasi-on-Current-UFC-Contract-Negotiations-Its-Not-Good-122011

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Overall, there might be a general disconnect between the UFC and its athletes when it comes to financial matters. According to Mousasi, this was apparent during the UFC Athlete Retreat in Las Vegas last weekend.

lmao
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 26, 2017, 12:50:57 AM
Gegard is the realest.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on June 18, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Funny dude.
Title: Re: UFC sponsored by Reebok/Fighter Pay Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on October 14, 2017, 02:50:51 AM
Carlos Condit said on a recent podcast that he's coming back to fighting because he has no backup plan.