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Title: Conor retires again
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 19, 2016, 05:48:36 AM
Speaking of Conor and Twitter he tweeted this too:


Ruh?
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 05:53:24 AM
I bet they fucked him on some sort of payment if he's really retiring.

Or he got shook by Joao Carvalho dying.
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 05:59:53 AM
Dana is probably going insane wherever he is right now, wish I was there to see it.
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 19, 2016, 06:22:26 AM
I doubt with the lifestyle he leads that he actually has that much saved up. Not buying it.
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 19, 2016, 06:34:39 AM
I think he's trolling, will probably say he's going to retire at 35 which is still young when most retire at 65, etc. Or some shit like that.
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 19, 2016, 06:36:35 AM
McGregor/Diaz 2 will be his comeback match
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: AA484 on April 19, 2016, 06:38:53 AM
McGregor/Diaz 2 will be his comeback match

Lol

Yeah, this has to be a leverage move of some sort.  Or some type of troll-job/head game for Nate.  NOT GONNA WORK
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 19, 2016, 06:43:46 AM
https://twitter.com/hashtag/conormcgregor?lang=en

lol the attention this is generating already.

Or some type of troll-job/head game for Nate.  NOT GONNA WORK

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-19-at-7-37-18-pm.png?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large/hash/65/71/657155476c70f5dd9eda1e4ac23fc18f.jpg?itok=_5ANeQ7S)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/12/Nate-Diaz-640x480.jpg)

(http://middleeasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2Diazface.jpg)

(http://media.balls.ie/YToyOntzOjQ6ImRhdGEiO3M6MjYyOiJhOjQ6e3M6MzoidXJsIjtzOjExMjoiaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL3N0b3JhZ2UucHVibGlzaGVycGx1cy5pZS9tZWRpYS5iYWxscy5pZS91cGxvYWRzLzIwMTYvMDMvMDYwNjEyNTYvQ2FwdHVyZTEyLmpwZyI7czo1OiJ3aWR0aCI7aTo2NDA7czo2OiJoZWlnaHQiO2k6MzYwO3M6NzoiZGVmYXVsdCI7czo2NjoiaHR0cDovL3N0YWdpbmcud3d3LmJhbGxzLmllLnB1Ymxpc2hlcnBsdXMuaWUvYXNzZXRzL2kvbm8taW1hZ2UucG5nIjt9IjtzOjQ6Imhhc2giO3M6NDA6IjAyMTQ1M2UxYWRiMDNkNjI0NGVlZDg2ZjAwYjIzMmEzMjMxOGJlNzgiO30=/conor-mcgregor-has-fallen-victim-to-one-of-the-most-famous-jinxes-in-american-sports.jpg)

I kinda hope he does retire though, to stick it to the UFC and create another avenue for fighters as a promoter.
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 19, 2016, 07:06:39 AM
Kavanagh just tweeted "Well was fun while it lasted."
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 07:10:53 AM
Apparently this is 100% legit and not a joke at all.
Title: Re: Conor retires?
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 19, 2016, 07:20:51 AM
LIRL

He truly is the GOAT if he sticks with this retirement.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 19, 2016, 07:32:24 AM
Last few twitter follows: Shane McMahon, Becky Lynch, Triple H, Stephanie McMahon.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 07:32:49 AM
LIRL

He truly is the GOAT if he sticks with this retirement.

Nah, he ain't no GOAT. He's a dude who talked a ton of shit and got mentally broken by a real legend on 10 days notice. Never defended his belt either.

As soon as people stopped talking about him, he throws this out there for attention when the real P4P GOAT is returning this weekend. He's an attention whore.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 19, 2016, 07:40:13 AM
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 07:42:02 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/721329310192173056

the date

lol
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 19, 2016, 07:43:56 AM
LIRL

He truly is the GOAT if he sticks with this retirement.

Nah, he ain't no GOAT. He's a dude who talked a ton of shit and got mentally broken by a real legend on 10 days notice. Never defended his belt either.

As soon as people stopped talking about him, he throws this out there for attention when the real P4P GOAT is returning this weekend. He's an attention whore.

So, so salty.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 07:46:22 AM
So true though. He ain't retiring unless he blew out his knee or got popped by USADA. It's all part of the mental warfare.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 19, 2016, 07:48:24 AM
Except for the legend part.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 07:49:25 AM
He's the short notice legend, changed his bum life
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 07:50:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4HwrVYF.png)

Lol it must be a troll, nothing to see here
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 10:53:41 AM
So, Dana was just on SportsCenter and said Conor has been pulled from UFC 200. Just watched it myself. So, yeah man.

This is also definitely over pay, some stuff is starting to trickle out about how Conor didn't want to go to a press conference and they pulled him themselves, there's also talk about him asking for more money and them telling him no, etc.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 19, 2016, 11:47:20 AM
Awesome.

Lots of salt in this thread. The Diaz Bros are fuckin' legends. I don't think people appreciate how tough it is to be consistently relevant for over a decade like these dudes were. Conor didn't do it yet.

Nick tapped Gomi at 160 when he was the consensus best lightweight in the world. He KO'd Robbie at 170, which is impressive since that was the only time it's happened in over 35 fuckin' fights, many of which were wars against some heavy hitters at 170/185. Nate beat most of the guys they put in front of him, and they put a lot of good-really good fighters in front of him.

But while McGOAT has a padded record, he still KO'd Aldo and Mendes at the end of it all. You can't take that away from him. If he's smart enough to demand a lot of money and if he doesn't get it then to promote his own show, I'd support that 100%. I like that Mayweather is promoting a show too, bring some competition into this arena. That will increase fighter pay.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Brodypedia on April 19, 2016, 01:00:38 PM
Conor was apparently training in Iceland and didn't want to fly in for the presser.  You may already know that though....
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: NoCalMike on April 19, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
Someone said Dana pulled him from the card because Conor pulled a Nick Diaz and didn't want to the presser/promotional stuff.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 01:13:25 PM
There's far more to it than that.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: ViciousFish on April 19, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
It looks like Conor didn't want to do the entire promotional tour which I've seen described as a "mini world tour".
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: NoCalMike on April 19, 2016, 01:27:24 PM
Is Lawler's next fight already booked, because I'd be completely ok with Nate taking it.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 19, 2016, 01:29:45 PM
Yeah, felt he wasn't getting paid enough to warrant flying all over the world. I don't blame him at all.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: NoCalMike on April 19, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Connor's antics would work if say half the roster up and did the same thing.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 19, 2016, 01:36:10 PM
Is Lawler's next fight already booked, because I'd be completely ok with Nate taking it.

They want Lawler to fight Woodley.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 19, 2016, 01:37:58 PM
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Just Call Me Dan on April 19, 2016, 01:44:56 PM
What's with that link? It's from February.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 19, 2016, 02:01:59 PM
My bad, didn't even look at the date. Saw it in my timeline and assumed it was new.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: jerk of all trades on April 20, 2016, 12:59:03 AM
LIRL

He truly is the GOAT if he sticks with this retirement.

Nah, he ain't no GOAT. He's a dude who talked a ton of shit and got mentally broken by a real legend on 10 days notice. Never defended his belt either.

As soon as people stopped talking about him, he throws this out there for attention when the real P4P GOAT is returning this weekend. He's an attention whore.

^^^^this.

Also, this killed me.  ;D  ;D  ;D

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/apr/20/conor-mcgregor-retirement-ufc-200

Quote
“You can’t decide to not show up to the [promotional] events,” White said. “You have to do it.”

White said he had several conversations with McGregor over the past several days and reported that the fighter would not leave a training camp in Iceland for the press conference. After hours of haggling, White said, he told McGregor that the UFC had booked a seat for him on a 2pm flight. If he wasn’t on that plane he would be yanked from UFC 200. Not long after, McGregor tweeted his retirement.

“Is Conor retiring? Only Conor can answer that question,” White said. “But he’s not fighting in UFC 200.”
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 20, 2016, 01:20:15 AM
That Guardian link is p. much what people in the know have been thinking for a long time. Glad those ideas are getting mainstream press.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 20, 2016, 02:12:19 AM
If anybody believes that the UFC is pulling their biggest draw from the biggest rematch in promotional history on their biggest card of all time over failing to attend a press conference then I've got some bridges for sale you might be interested in.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Brodypedia on April 20, 2016, 02:44:55 AM
http://vendettafighter.com/mcgregor-wanted-10m-ufc-200/

Oddly he wanted to be paid for being a big draw. The nerve!
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 20, 2016, 02:52:11 AM
What a horrid article. Not worth looking at.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 20, 2016, 03:18:24 AM
They didn't pull him, he forced their hand.

Quote
Jacob Stitch Duran
‏@StitchDuran
On my way to work @bellator153 and reading about Conner retiring , I ask myself, Is this a "we are not friends Dana, only business" moment?

Nate is busy with other plans on this very special day:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BEah-oYOPu1/
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 20, 2016, 04:25:47 AM
Dana just said the 10 million thing is a "flat out lie."
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 20, 2016, 04:51:51 AM
Quote
"I'm not mad at Conor. Conor made a decision and a choice to not fight on this card. That's on him, man," White said.

Quote
Greg Savage ‎@TheSavageTruth
You don't believe he is retiring and this isn't about $ and your relationship is not damaged. So, WHAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM?

lol
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 20, 2016, 05:05:34 AM
Supposedly tweeted something about an announcement and deleted it.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 20, 2016, 05:21:54 AM
Dana probably had to restrain himself. After the way he went off on Jones for the 151 debacle he inadvertently turned him face and enough fans/media are already siding with Conor.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 20, 2016, 06:27:41 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4fodwz/dana_white_on_the_herd_summary/
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 20, 2016, 06:34:50 AM
No way that Conor being off the card doesn't significantly impact the buyrate so I take Dana saying "If Conor called me today he could be on the card" as his very personal way of begging.

What I find interesting is that apparently Conor didn't deal with Dana, only Lorenzo. Wonder what changed?
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 20, 2016, 06:57:01 AM
Lorenzo won't lower himself to begging, but Dana sure will when Lorenzo tells him to.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: jerk of all trades on April 20, 2016, 09:29:42 AM
Gerweck: One of UFC’s biggest box office fighters, Conor McGregor, announced his retirement in a simple tweet less than 140 characters. “I have decided to retire young. Thanks for the cheese. Catch ya’s later,” McGregor wrote. The big wrestling fan is now following Triple H, Shane McMahon, Stephanie McMahon, and fellow Irish Becky Lynch on Twitter, fueling speculations that he might be choosing to move to professional wrestling. The current UFC Featherweight champion was removed from UFC 200 after UFC President Dana White admitted that McGregor refused to attend press conferences, face the media, and participate in a commercial to promote UFC 200, UFC’s biggest pay-per-view. This could obviously be just a ploy from McGregor to get more money from the UFC or just a way to hype up his eventual return to the Octagon down the line, resulting in a bigger payout. Former WWE champion CM Punk who is now with the UFC decided to have some fun with the situation. “Well f*ck it, I have decided to retire old. Thanks for the shoes @Reebok,” he wrote.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 20, 2016, 09:33:57 AM
He'll definitely fight again before Summer 2017, it's just a matter of the path he takes to get there.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 20, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
The Fertitas have Conor under contractual obligation, so he won't be able to appear in WWE without their permission no matter what. Just wanted to point that out.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Youth N Asia on April 21, 2016, 01:55:05 AM
Conor responds with a Facebook post

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I am just trying to do my job and fight here.
I am paid to fight. I am not yet paid to promote.
I have become lost in the game of promotion and forgot about the art of fighting.
There comes a time when you need to stop handing out flyers and get back to the damn shop.
50 world tours, 200 press conferences, 1 million interviews, 2 million photo shoots, and at the end of it all I'm left looking down the barrel of a lens, staring defeat in the face, thinking of nothing but my incorrect fight preparation. And the many distractions that led to this.
Nothing else was going through my mind.
It is time to go back and live the life that got me this life.
Sitting in a car on the way to some dump in Conneticut or somewhere, to speak to Tim and Suzie on the nobody gives a fuck morning show did not get me this life.
Talking to some lady that deep down doesn't give a fuck about what I'm doing, but just wants some sound bites so she can maybe get her little tight ass a nice raise, and I'm cool with that too, I've been giving you all raises. But I need to focus on me now.
I'm coming for my revenge here.
I flew an entire team to Portugal and to Iceland to make my adjustments in preparation and fix my errors I made with the weight and the cardio prep.
With the right adjustments and the right focus, I will finish what I started in that last fight.
I will not do this if I am back on the road handing out flyers again.
I will always play the game and play it better than anybody, but just for this one, where I am coming off a loss, I asked for some leeway where I can just train and focus. I did not shut down all media requests. I simply wanted a slight adjustment.
But it was denied.
There had been 10 million dollars allocated for the promotion of this event is what they told me.
So as a gesture of good will, I went and not only saved that 10 million dollars in promotion money, I then went and tripled it for them.
And all with one tweet.
Keep that 10 mill to promote the other bums that need it. My shows are good.
I must isolate myself now.
I am facing a taller, longer and heavier man. I need to prepare correctly this time.
I can not dance for you this time.
It is time for the other monkeys to dance. I've danced us all the way here.
Nate's little mush head looks good up on that stage these days. Stuff him in front of the camera for it.
He came in with no shit to do that last one. I'd already done press conferences, interviews and shot the ads before RDA pulled out.
Maybe I'll hit Cabo this time and skull some shots pre-fight with no obligation.
I'm doing what I need for me now.
It is time to be selfish with my training again. It is the only way.
I feel the $400million I have generated for the company in my last three events, all inside 8 months, is enough to get me this slight leeway.
I am still ready to go for UFC 200.
I will offer, like I already did, to fly to New York for the big press conference that was scheduled, and then I will go back into training. With no distractions.
If this is not enough or they feel I have not deserved to sit this promotion run out this one time, well then I don't know what to say.
For the record also -
For USADA and for the UFC and my contract stipulations -
I AM NOT RETIRED.

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We can change this from a retirement thread to just a Conor thread now.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 21, 2016, 02:02:13 AM
Can't argue with any of that.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: NoCalMike on April 21, 2016, 02:06:35 AM
Well there it is.  I guess we will see how Zuffa reacts. I don't really disagree with anything he is saying, it will just be interesting where this situation goes from here and where exactly the barometer is set in the future for when other fighters start requesting/demanding the same or similar conditions for certain fights.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: HSJ on April 21, 2016, 02:08:28 AM
Conor gets shit on so much but he seems to be one of the most intelligent, polarizing figures in MMA history.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Youth N Asia on April 21, 2016, 02:10:38 AM
Agree with the general consensus. He's not saying he won't do promotion, but I'm sure more is being asked of him than anyone else in the UFC. Could have initially handled this better. But he's not wrong.

Dana has already said that Conor's window has closed on UFC 200. We'll see.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 21, 2016, 02:13:05 AM
Only Conor can promote a fight by talking about not promoting a fight.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 21, 2016, 02:27:49 AM
Funny part in all of this. Drummed up more interest than this world tour of pointless press conferences ever would.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: NoCalMike on April 21, 2016, 02:31:39 AM
Funny part in all of this. Drummed up more interest than this world tour of pointless press conferences ever would.

Yeah I was just going to say that.  The events of the past few days have probably put more new eyeballs onto this fight then going to most of those small-town radio morning shows where it's obvious the hosts have no knowledge or interest in MMA.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 21, 2016, 02:32:27 AM
If there are any Tim and Suzie morning shows in the United States right now they're probably feeling pretty hurt by what Conor said.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 21, 2016, 03:27:10 AM
Conor is too real for UFC
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2016, 03:34:56 AM
Glad some newer fans got exposed to the UFC's bullshit.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 21, 2016, 05:26:51 AM
I agree with most of that, but it's funny that he's implying that doing shots in Cabo before the fight as well as not having a camp made things easier for Nate than the pressers Conor had to do.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 21, 2016, 06:15:30 AM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/21/11481406/ufc-200-mma-news-conor-mcgregor-nate-diaz-rematch-dana-white
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: NoCalMike on April 21, 2016, 06:40:58 AM
So what do they do with Diaz now?  (GSP?)
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 21, 2016, 06:53:39 AM
Ferguson or Khabib.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2016, 06:55:45 AM
Ramadan takes Khabib out of it.

I bet it's El Cucuy or Lawler.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 21, 2016, 07:01:14 AM
Handicap match against Joe Stevenson and Clay Guida. I'd still take Nate.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Just Call Me Dan on April 21, 2016, 07:40:07 AM
Man, I hope Nate still gets paid.  One of these days, this rematch would likely take place, the money is there, but Nate has to stay alive as a top flight guy and also not burn out.  Not super likely.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 21, 2016, 07:52:40 AM
This wasn't how I wanted the fight to be called off but I never wanted the rematch so in a way I'm ok with it not happening. Conor should have had to go back to 145 and Nate either gets a title fight or a number one contender fight at LW.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Just Call Me Dan on April 21, 2016, 08:14:18 AM
You're right.  If I think back to how I felt when the rematch was announced, I didn't want to see it at all.  Accepted it after a while and found a silver lining in that Nate's fame and money would continue to grow.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 21, 2016, 08:19:41 AM
Agreed with everything you guys said, and Dana said that Conor's next fight will be against the winner of Aldo/Edgar.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2016, 08:44:39 AM
Brett Okamoto thinks there's a 60/40 chance this fight comes back together.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 21, 2016, 10:28:29 AM
It's fun to see all this play out in public, and (not) read the HOT TAKES.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 21, 2016, 10:38:05 AM
but I like hearing what the fighters have to say, and I'm happy they're mostly backing Conor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4ftmxq/pros_react_to_mcgregors_statement/
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: NoCalMike on April 21, 2016, 11:33:15 AM
Yeah I wasn't high on the concept of the rematch in the first place, but I was happy Nate would get another big pay day.  Hopefully whoever he tussles with next warrants a big pay day as well.  Fighting Lawler would be epic.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
but I like hearing what the fighters have to say, and I'm happy they're mostly backing Conor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4ftmxq/pros_react_to_mcgregors_statement/

Cejudo pretty much sucked UFC dick on the subject, it was p embarrassing.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: AA484 on April 21, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
Can he really afford to do anything else at this point?  The dominant champ of the division is a modest draw at best and nobody else is even close to being one.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2016, 12:12:10 PM
I'm gonna point out that if an opponent pulled out of a fight with Conor over this, he'd be calling them a pussy, scared, quitter, whiner, little bitch, fake fighter, bruised vagina, weak minded, etc
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 21, 2016, 12:20:14 PM
Well, technically mcgregor didn't pull out
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: jimmy no nose on April 21, 2016, 01:05:56 PM
I would side more with Conor if not for the fact that they bent to all of his other demands in giving him the rematch with Nate at 170.  At that point you have to be expected to play the game a little bit.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: NoCalMike on April 21, 2016, 01:18:25 PM
And I guess one thing is, wouldn't it only be fair if you gave the same time off from promotional events to Nate?
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
I side with fighters almost always, but there's definitely a point at which he would play the game and wouldn't play it. Against someone whose beaten him it looks like he won't, but it appears like he would against a midget weight fighter. The UFC feels like they don't owe Conor shit, that's just how it goes. Obviously there is a massive risk for Conor even taking the rematch in the first place, but he did sign for the rematch and knew exactly what was going down. He then decided he wasn't showing up right before he was supposed to, that seems really strange. If he never had signed for the rematch in the first place I would understand.

Now by getting out of this stuff he also avoids having to fight Nate again, because obviously that's not going to happen. It's strange.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: NoCalMike on April 21, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
Yeah it's not that I necessarily disagree with Conor on most of his points as far as what all this promotional stuff does to take away from training, but it sounds like he is only taking a stand on it now because he is having a rematch against someone who finished him.  If this was more about the bigger picture, for fighters in general then I'd be 100% on board, but this sounds a bit more like "I should get an exception from the rules that others don't get, because....." at the moment.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
Yeah it's not that I necessarily disagree with Conor on most of his points as far as what all this promotional stuff does to take away from training, but it sounds like he is only taking a stand on it now because he is having a rematch against someone who finished him.  If this was more about the bigger picture, for fighters in general then I'd be 100% on board, but this sounds a bit more like "I should get an exception from the rules that others don't get, because....." at the moment.

When you claim you run the game you can't skip out on promoting the game you run. It's not a responsibility to the UFC either, it's about yourself. Floyd Mayweather never ducked a press tour.

If socially awkward Nate Diaz is stepping up to do a fucking press tour, way out of his comfort zone, then I start to lose sympathy for Conor at that point. That being said, if Conor had beaten Nate and not wanted to do a press tour for a different fight, I guarantee the UFC would have bent straight over for him. The "UFC rules" only apply to fighters they think they can do without. I'm sure they crunched the numbers and all that shit, they did the analysis, they decided the rules applied to Conor right now. I'm not sure they're wrong.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Just Call Me Dan on April 21, 2016, 01:59:41 PM
Apparently Conor tweeted that he was going to make an announcement and then quickly deleted it.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: ravman77 on April 21, 2016, 09:46:06 PM
He didn't look so exhausted titting around Irish bars in Brazil saying how badly he was going to wreck Jose. Changes his tune to suit his situation.


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Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 22, 2016, 01:39:44 AM
He already addressed that in his FB post saying that because this was his first loss in the UFC that he wanted a lighter schedule.

I'm not gonna discount the criticisms but I think at the end of the day he's earned a little leeway IMO. As of right now UFC 200 not having Conor on the card has likely cut the buyrate in half, unless the UFC can pull a rabbit out of their hat and somehow get GSP, Jones or Ronda on the card (and the latter is very unlikely) they just took a guaranteed one million buyrate and severely crippled it.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: HSJ on April 22, 2016, 01:56:21 AM
He's one of those guys who has an obsessive personality. He lost to Nate and doesn't want it to happen again, so wants to prepare as much as possible. I don't blame him.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 22, 2016, 02:06:20 AM
Agreed. I think I'm a pretty damn knowledgeable guy about the sport, about as much as you can be without having much training or being a recognized member of the media but I think for a guy who has had all that pressure on him since day once and hasn't lost in almost 6 years he has earned the right to call a few of his own shots. The guy re-energized the European market when it was on its death bed, made the eastern seaboard a huge selling point for the UFC despite MMA not being legal in NY, did all those media tours for the Aldo fight, did TUF etc. If he doesn't want to fly halfway across the world and interrupt the biggest training camp of his life I can totally see why.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: NoCalMike on April 22, 2016, 04:30:41 AM
I think everyone can see why he doesn't want to do that, but the same could be said for just about any fighter required to do that. 
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: ViciousFish on April 22, 2016, 04:49:54 AM
He's also one of the few with the power to change it so other fighters can do that.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 22, 2016, 06:10:29 AM
Pretty much and Jones being on board with Conor is telling of where fighters with that level of power are at. Those two and Rousey are the only ones that could win in a battle like this against the UFC.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 22, 2016, 02:52:33 PM
Found this on Reddit, find it interesting given that Conor is now the one showing up on Twitter.

(http://i.imgur.com/PQK4qn0.png)


The more I think about it the more I think that he's running away from adversity. He begged for the fight and didn't show up to talk about it, knowing they would take him out of the fight? Pretty weird. It's weirder than weird even.

Also, that PPV wouldn't have done nearly the business that it did if RDA had been able to stay in the fight. They were having a hell of a time selling tickets before Nate got in there, he needs to be given his credit. That show did great business because two guys with big followings got in there. All this talk about nobody else on that stage making the UFC huge money, that's a pile of shit and also really delusional. I'm really surprised anyone buys into that trash, because I seem to remember a lot more people watching the UFC from card to card around that time Cain demolished Brock.

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The guy re-energized the European market when it was on its death bed, made the eastern seaboard a huge selling point for the UFC despite MMA not being legal in NY, did all those media tours for the Aldo fight, did TUF etc.

This part is true, but the degree to which the Eastern seaboard part is true I don't know. The Chris did a hell of a job pushing the UFC in New York, and they're not running all that many shows in the Northeast right now either. Only two or three a year, but now that New York is in the game, probably twice as much. They've ignored many core markets for the sport in favor of putting fights in Vegas, now they're going to ignore other core markets in favor of putting fights in New York.

I think the sport is doing really good right now and I'd be more likely to put that at Ronda's feet than Conor's if I was to put it on any one person, but I don't think I believe either of them are solely responsible. The UFC did do a lot of things in the last few years that I think were bad for the sport, so it's funny how things have worked out. Things like putting so many fights in Vegas, oversaturating the Brazil market, ignoring the East, ignoring Northern California, ignoring Canada, UK, and the PNW, these are things that could have destroyed the sport. Another weird thing they do is that they decided to have hero fighters like Weidman and Jones almost never fight near their home area. The UFC also does have a problem with sending their fighters out there to do too much promotion. That being said, Conor knew what he was getting into when he begged for the rematch and I don't feel any sympathy. I think he wants more time to prepare for the fight, is playing mental warfare games (which don't work on Nate) or to not fight him again after all.

The people that ultimately suffer are the fighters that will never receive this kind of push again no matter how good they are. The Fertittas will have learned a lesson from this.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 23, 2016, 05:53:11 AM
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“He wanted the fight. I didn’t even ask for the fight. It was gonna be a big deal. If I’m gonna fight, it’s gonna be a big deal. I’ve been fighting everybody all the time for nothing anyway,” Diaz said. “I want big fights. If it’s gonna happen, let’s do it. If not, I’m not doing s--t.”

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Nate-Diaz-If-Conor-McGregor-Fight-Doesnt-Happen-at-UFC-200-Im-Going-on-Vacation-

the man right here
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 23, 2016, 05:56:21 AM
Mcgregor and Diaz should face each other at summerslam
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 23, 2016, 08:19:19 AM
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“He wanted the fight. I didn’t even ask for the fight. It was gonna be a big deal. If I’m gonna fight, it’s gonna be a big deal. I’ve been fighting everybody all the time for nothing anyway,” Diaz said. “I want big fights. If it’s gonna happen, let’s do it. If not, I’m not doing s--t.”

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Nate-Diaz-If-Conor-McGregor-Fight-Doesnt-Happen-at-UFC-200-Im-Going-on-Vacation-

the man right here

Was thinking earlier about how until he fought Conor he was guaranteed less money than Sage Northcutt. He doesn't owe the UFC fucking shit, I'm glad this is the path he's headed. It's time for the UFC to make fights for the real superstars of this shit. The idea that some goof with spiky hair made 40/40 and a real fighter who created a persona and promoted himself made 20/20, that's fucking disgusting.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Damaramu on April 24, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
According to twitter Conor is back.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2016, 05:10:22 PM
He would have had to do some ass kissing.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: Fökai on April 24, 2016, 06:26:21 PM
Whether you think that Mac is dodging the fight or not...I'm glad that he outed UFC's fight promotion model, which is crossing the line of being superfluous and just plain outdated.

For example, Ronda Rousey didn't need to be doing every media interview in both Australia and the U.S. leading up to the Holm fight, but she was carrying the fight for Holm and for the entire promotion. (For all of the mentions of the UFC being media savvy, the WWE smokes them in their marketing approach. Pick any social media outlet and find one that the UFC does better). Airing a few training sessions through social media would've done well to substitute for that metric shitload of interviews she did in that final media blitz (all were IN PERSON), where you could clearly tell that she was worn out. McGregor, Lesnar, the Diaz Brothers and a few others have proven that a few quality soundbytes are enough to carry a fight.

McGregor's tweet proves that making money doesn't have to be hard.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: jerk of all trades on April 25, 2016, 12:52:41 AM
Honestly in 2016, are that many press conferences/interviews really necessary? I mean, especially in person. FFS, we're supposed to be living in a digital age now.
Title: Re: Conor McGregor retires, doesn't retire, pulls out of UFC 200, wants to be on 200
Post by: jerk of all trades on April 25, 2016, 12:56:10 AM
According to twitter Conor is back.

Quote from: @TheNotoriousMMA
Happy to announce that I am BACK on UFC 200! Shout out to @danawhite and @lorenzofertitta on getting this one done for the fans. #Respect
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: jimmy no nose on April 25, 2016, 01:56:25 AM
All of the MMA reporters who have commented seem to think Conor is just messing with everyone and nothing has actually changed.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 25, 2016, 02:17:45 AM
Yeah as of right now his tweet is the only source but it's enough that mainstream media has picked it up and is treating it as legit.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 25, 2016, 02:28:19 AM
This is totally unrelated news for Conor but in terms of Ireland-related stuff, shitty news as Paddy Holohan has been forced to retire from mma due to medical issues. Sucks as 125 needs fresh talent and the guy always put on fun fights. At least he went out headlining a show in his home town in a wild fight.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: jerk of all trades on April 25, 2016, 03:15:27 AM
Quote from: ‎@WWESheamus
Happy to announce that I am BACK on WWE RAW!
Shout out to @RusevBUL and @VivaDelRio on getting this one done for the fans. #Respect
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2016, 03:21:43 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/25/conor-mcgregor-dana-white-ufc-200-fight/

Sounds like he's still off the card.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 25, 2016, 03:29:27 AM
At this point you have to look at this situation and believe that the UFC is holding the cards. Comes off as a desperate final attempt by Conor IMO. Like Eddie Alvarez said from a short-term financial perspective it'd make sense by UFC to cave but long-term it sets a dangerous precedent.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2016, 03:55:02 AM
At this point you have to look at this situation and believe that the UFC is holding the cards. Comes off as a desperate final attempt by Conor IMO. Like Eddie Alvarez said from a short-term financial perspective it'd make sense by UFC to cave but long-term it sets a dangerous precedent.

Agreed, Conor tweeting that out makes him look desperate. I think Jones/Cormier will make up a lot of the buyrates lost with Conor not being there so his leverage has been hurt. Also, it seems like most fans are willing to move on without him.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 25, 2016, 03:57:52 AM
I dunno about DC/Jones happening. Even if Cormier was willing to risk coming back two months earlier then projected the fact that Jones went and sat down in a wheelchair after the fight on Saturday is, to me, symbolic of his support for Conor as he has been one of the more vocal guys. I think the wheelchair thing was Bones sending a message to the UFC.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2016, 04:03:03 AM
I think you might be reading too much into that:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/4/24/11496890/jon-jones-says-he-feels-great-enough-to-fight-at-ufc-200
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2016, 04:21:31 AM
The UFC always thinks they hold the cards, even in situations where they don't. For Conor to get back on this card I think he'd have to give up a lot of money or vacate his belt. At the same time, given his golden boy status no longer exists to them, maybe they feel he has to defend his belt now no matter what, or that he should have to fight somebody like Khabib at 155. He severely overplayed his hand.

Look what happened to Randy when he came back. Put him straight in a fight with Brock. When somebody fucks with the UFC, history shows they give no fucks.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Fökai on April 25, 2016, 04:46:15 AM
I read that Khabib has already turned down a fight at 200 because it conflicts with Ramadan.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2016, 04:54:42 AM
yeah, but 209 probably meant that they would make that fight at some other date and keep Conor off of UFC 200.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2016, 05:15:14 AM
The UFC also now has UFC 198 and 200, Conor return, Nick Diaz return, Nate fight, MSG show, and another slew of title fights remaining this year that could draw big money (Lawler/Condit 2, for one). That's why it seems like they aren't too bothered by this. They now have more big shows coming up than is normal for them.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 25, 2016, 06:02:19 AM
I haven't read the article but some dude at ESPN did "the math" and calculated that Conor being off the card will cost UFC at minimum 45 million. I have my doubts.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2016, 07:27:52 AM
45 million is their cut from PPV sales if they sold 1.5 million. So yeah, no.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Fökai on April 25, 2016, 09:22:16 AM
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White told ESPN that the first McGregor-Diaz fight (UFC 196) did 1.5 million pay-per-view buys. Now compare that to Jon Jones-Daniel Cormier, which seemed to be the alternative for the main event at UFC 200. The first go-around of that fight did 800,000 buys, at least according to Cormier.

Because there's no other fight on the card who would draw any other outside interest -- Ronda Rousey, after losing to Holly Holm, was quickly discounted -- it's all about McGregor.

Let's conservatively say the difference between McGregor-Diaz II and Jones-Cormier II is 500,000 buys. If we believe White's numbers for UFC 196, plus we give that number a sharp 25 percent haircut given that McGregor lost to Diaz in early March, we're still at 525,000 more buys. At $70 a pop, that's $36.7 million in additional gross revenue to the UFC.

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With McGregor back on the card, expect ticket prices to top that of 196 and expect attendance to be just as good. Assuming that, a live gate number of $10 million is achievable. Without McGregor, there's no way that much of a price jump can be justified, plus we'd expect to see empty seats. Difference to the live gate is then roughly $7 million. Throw in another $800,000 for additional merchandise royalties and concession revenue with more butts in the seats.


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For UFC 200, the organization is having a fan fest, charging $45, $65 and $75 for one-, two- and three-day tickets. If McGregor isn't fighting, figure the hang-around crowd for this is 10,000 fewer people. That's another half-million dollars, which pushes the McGregor bump-up to $45 million.

Now his estimates for the PPV buyrates are wrong (obviously because they don't keep 100% of revenue), but he didn't account for the overall financial impact to Vegas that Conor would bring. He doesn't play with the same set of fans that other fighters do. I can believe a reasonable number being placed at around $25 million.

The difference between a McGregor/Diaz rematch on top and a Jones/DC rematch on top could be a million buys this time around.

Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
I don't know by how much but while there would be a significant difference, Nate Diaz is a big piece of that. Conor vs. Edgar or Aldo or Holloway wouldn't do nearly as much business.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2016, 11:49:03 AM
Nate is going on vacation. So that's that.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 25, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
I imagine UFC tries a hail mary attempt to book GSP and if not says fuck it. Wonder if they'll spite Conor by stripping him and making Aldo/Edgar 2 for his belt. Gotta believe that'll be the new main event.

 

Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
I think Conor and Nate will fight in late August or early September. The UFC makes more money this way and Conor won't have to promote the show very much because it isn't UFC 200.

But after Conor loses that, if he tries another power play the UFC will bench his ass until he's too broke to disagree with them.
Title: Re: McGregor retires/doesn't retire/out of UFC 200/wants to be on 200/back on 200
Post by: Youth N Asia on April 25, 2016, 12:46:50 PM
I get than Conor would pop a bigger ppv buy. But from a fight perspective I'd much rather see Jones/DC 2
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 26, 2016, 03:37:34 AM
Ariel tweeted that there's going to be an announcement today regarding the main event. Figure it's DC/Jones, Cormier was supposed to find out from his doctors this week if he'll be good to go, imagine he got confirmation. Either that or the GSP deal happened and it's Rush/Lawler.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 27, 2016, 12:35:25 AM
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Jon Jones will fight Daniel Cormier in a light heavyweight unification title bout at UFC 200, as first reported during a telecast of Good Morning America on Wednesday. The fight will headline the July 9 card in Las Vegas, at the brand new T-Mobile Arena.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 27, 2016, 12:41:22 AM
If all those title fights go the distance....man. I'm going to have to pace my drinking like never before.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2016, 08:24:03 AM
Tate finishes Nunes in the second round, I think. Nunes doesn't have the cardio to keep up with Miesha for long.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2uFxZsSAZ4

In this video, Kavanagh acts like the UFC can't or won't keep Conor off the MSG card. I really think that both Conor and his team are in way over their head and don't understand exactly what it is that they've done by signing up for this fight and not going on the press tour. They seem to be living in this alternate reality. The belief that the UFC will ever cater to Conor again is an incredible one. I'd be shocked if Conor was on any of the big showcase events anytime soon. I'd be even more shocked if the UFC ever paid for him to be on their private plane or live that high life again either. Or if Conor was ever paid more money than is explicitly laid out in his contract. The UFC will also not let Conor out of his contract without ruining his career on the way there, given he's both bound by the champion's clause and certainly has a lot of fights remaining on his deal. Conor talked a big game and all that, he's about to face a murderer's row of competition as a result.


Of course the UFC is wrong for doing this, and it isn't right, but he's going to get the kind of treatment that they gave Tito Ortiz and Rampage. Literally the most unfavorable matchups that exist for the entire remaining duration of Conor's contract. Hope they're ready. Given it was Conor's relationship with the Fertittas that fell apart, I don't think there's any way of repairing that. It's not like he had a problem with Dana.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: ViciousFish on April 27, 2016, 08:33:32 AM
The buy rate of 200 will ultimately decide who wins this. Conor and Nate did 1.5 million buys. I see 200 topping out at about 800,000. There's nothing on there to grab the casual fans.

If 200 tops a million Conor loses power. If 200 does poorly, his position strengthens.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2016, 08:38:17 AM
I think Tate's victory over Holm carries a lot of weight with casual fans. Given Jones/DC 1 did 800k with a trash undercard and this will have 2 other title fights plus a Cain fight, I think they'll pull 1.2 million at minimum for this. The thing is, they also have two shows in the days before. Will that tire people out? I'll order this show for sure, all of the fights on it are interesting to me.

They're also still missing one main card fight, I wonder what it's going to be. PVZ will also be somewhere on this, maybe that's the main card fight. Get those Dancing With the Stars fan goofs to order it.

Conor will be back in the fall regardless, and headlining a show regardless, but not a centerpiece show and he'll be given the toughest fight they can think up. He ain't gonna get any fights with guys like Donald Cerrone going forward, that's for sure.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: ViciousFish on April 27, 2016, 08:41:27 AM
PVZ could drag in casuals. But the huge buy rates come from Conor, Ronda and Brock.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong. I hope I'm not though. Not that the guys on the card don't deserve a huge buy rate but this is another one of those things where Conor getting his way will be better for fighters in the long run.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2016, 08:47:24 AM
I'm not sure Conor's version of things send the right message. I'm hugely in favor of higher fighter pay, but part of achieving that lies in remaining highly accessible to media requests as fighters do now. For the highest paid guy in the UFC to make these kinds of requests doesn't really sit right with me.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: ViciousFish on April 27, 2016, 08:49:12 AM
If you want guys to do insane media tours, pay them. They do all their publicity stuff for free.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2016, 08:57:15 AM
The fighters who don't get PPV points should definitely be paid for PR appearances, but Conor's pay is directly tied to the interest he generates through promoting his fights. The more he promotes, the more people buy them and the more he gets paid.

On top of that, his stand isn't about paying fighters for publicity. He doesn't want to be paid for it either. It's that he doesn't want to do it, everyone else on UFC 200 is a bum, and he's the whole show so he should be able to do whatever he wants. He's not standing up for the other fighters at all, it's out of nothing but selfishness under the guise of needing to prepare for a fight that no longer exists.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: ViciousFish on April 27, 2016, 09:35:41 AM
His stand is that he doesn't want to do it. Dana's stand is "Do it because we say so". If they actually paid him to do these appearances they'd have a little bit more of a leg to stand on.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2016, 10:12:16 AM
Dana has literally nothing to do with a decision of this magnitude imo.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: ViciousFish on April 27, 2016, 10:16:16 AM
Ok, it's the Fertitta's stance as well. I don't work for free. I don't expect them to.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 27, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
Don't underestimate the UFC PR machine either. To this day there are still dipshits that hate on Tito and buy into the 'coward' narrative instead of realizing that he just knew his worth.

They are willing to throw their own guys under the bus if it means saving the brand. I also think they'll force him to defend the belt before he takes any other fight.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 28, 2016, 12:33:42 AM
I think Tate's victory over Holm carries a lot of weight with casual fans. Given Jones/DC 1 did 800k with a trash undercard and this will have 2 other title fights plus a Cain fight, I think they'll pull 1.2 million at minimum for this. The thing is, they also have two shows in the days before. Will that tire people out? I'll order this show for sure, all of the fights on it are interesting to me.

They're also still missing one main card fight, I wonder what it's going to be. PVZ will also be somewhere on this, maybe that's the main card fight. Get those Dancing With the Stars fan goofs to order it.

Conor will be back in the fall regardless, and headlining a show regardless, but not a centerpiece show and he'll be given the toughest fight they can think up. He ain't gonna get any fights with guys like Donald Cerrone going forward, that's for sure.

For what it's worth I think we'll see Paige end up on the TUF Finale card. It might be too much to expect casual fans to tune into a ppv just for her but it'd be an easy sell to place her on free tv especially given that it's a womens title fight in the main.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 01, 2016, 12:46:00 AM
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/mcgregor-campaigning-for-rematch.3237541/

man the sherdog dummies have already turned on Conor. Look at the amount of likes for all the anti-Conor posts.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 01, 2016, 01:12:51 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4h8o8p/conor_mcgregor_on_instagram/

same with this link, Conor might have overestimated his cache with the fanbase. Also, their interest in labour rights for the (formerly) most coddled millionaire in the UFC.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 01, 2016, 05:07:26 AM
It's also all the shit about how nobody wants to see these other fights that's particularly grating on people. It's so arrogant, so moronic, and really deluded. I'd rather watch that Rory vs. Wonderboy fight than anything Conor could ever be in going forward.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on May 02, 2016, 04:52:06 AM
Same
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 02, 2016, 08:01:08 AM
@NateDiaz209
#whitebelt

lol
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 05, 2016, 07:08:25 AM
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/5/5/11594274/morning-report-tito-ortiz-wants-conor-mcgregor-to-learn-from-his
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on May 06, 2016, 12:34:09 AM
you guys hear about the mayweather vs mcgregor fight
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 06, 2016, 12:49:13 AM
No. Did you?
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: AA484 on May 06, 2016, 01:05:20 AM
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Report-Conor-McGregor-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-Boxing-Match-in-the-Works-104533

So I guess he figures if he couldn't beat Nate in stand-up he'd have a chance against one of the GOAT's.  Conor needs to just go away for a while.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 06, 2016, 01:28:17 AM
Well that's some clickbait if I ever done seen it.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: AA484 on May 06, 2016, 01:38:52 AM
Isn't the Sun like the British version of the Enquirer?
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: ViciousFish on May 06, 2016, 01:43:06 AM
Ariel has said how fucking regarded that is without actually saying its fucking retarded.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 06, 2016, 02:17:02 AM
Well that's some clickbait if I ever done seen it.

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The UFC nor McGregor have yet to comment on the report, but it seems extremely unlikely that the Irishman’s contract with the mixed martial arts promoter would allow the contest to take place.

lol
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: jerk of all trades on May 06, 2016, 02:20:38 AM
you guys hear about the mayweather vs mcgregor fight

No. Did you?

lol
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 06, 2016, 02:53:45 AM
Isn't the Sun like the British version of the Enquirer?

Worse.

The UFC wouldn't allow it anyway.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Lord of The Curry on May 06, 2016, 03:14:14 AM
Per Jeremy "BJ Penn is a rapist fo sho" Botter UFC is looking at McGregor/Diaz II as the main event for 202.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 06, 2016, 04:49:22 AM
In a hypothetical Floyd/Conor boxing match is there anyone out there who thinks Floyd wouldn't obliterate him inside of three rounds? It would be a humbling the likes of which we haven't seen in some time.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Youth N Asia on May 06, 2016, 04:53:14 AM
In a hypothetical Floyd/Conor boxing match is there anyone out there who thinks Floyd wouldn't obliterate him inside of three rounds? It would be a humbling the likes of which we haven't seen in some time.

Yeah. I haven't heard anything legit about this and can't take it all serious. Conor doesn't want to get humiliated, coming off a loss
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 06, 2016, 07:56:54 AM
Helwani:

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Absolutely no truth to this McGregor-Mayweather story. I can't believe people are actually falling for this nonsense.

Can't believe Sherdog is catering to this clickbait shit. But they've posted like ten McGregor opinion articles that I didn't bother reading but notice when checking the fight finder since this mess started, so it seems like they're desperate.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on May 06, 2016, 10:38:40 AM
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Ariel Helwani Verified account
‏@arielhelwani

Ariel Helwani Retweeted Jack Quinn

Not close to done at all. Very, very early in the game of re-booking that fight.

Ariel Helwani ‏@arielhelwani 1h1 hour ago

@Johnydamonsbear @quinnjack8 can't speak for him but to me 99% is contracts issued and about to be signed. Just not true.
1 retweet 2 likes

Helwani is so much better now. CANADIAN TOO
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on May 08, 2016, 04:26:25 AM
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: NoCalMike on May 08, 2016, 09:08:38 AM
Wouldn't UFC/Zuffa have to allow this to happen. McGregor's contract sure as hell is not going to grant him the ability to just go an sign a contract without some kind of permission.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 08, 2016, 09:09:23 AM
Yes, they would have to sign off or receive a truckload of cash.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on June 02, 2016, 11:09:30 AM
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"Conor has a deal. It's not like we went in and renegotiated. This was a big myth coming out of that fight. Conor McGregor has never, ever -- not only does he step up and take big fights last minute, moved up however many pounds to fight Nate and was willing to fight anybody; that's why people love Conor, because Conor will fight anybody, anywhere, anytime -- he has never come back and tried to renegotiate a contract, ever. Ever.

the rebuilding of his image has already begun. Conor's playing ball, will still get paid. The UFC will back him, everyone wins.

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“Conor is obsessed with this rematch,” White said. “I don’t know why, but he is. It’s just his type of personality. He’s obsessed with it. He’s obsessed with fighting Diaz again – at 170 pounds.”

“I don’t know if that will ever happen, but I’m trying,”

it won't be against Nate dawg though.

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It wasn't necessarily as much Nate Diaz as it was the management, but yeah, I did. And the problem is -- what drives me crazy is when you have a contract. Everybody sits down at one point and we do a deal. Everybody is happy. You shake hands, you hug. And then we move onto the next fight and everybody wants to blow up the deal."

Nate, we signed a new deal going into that fight, then he signed the contract for UFC 200. So then Conor doesn't show up for UFC 200, and now Nate is trying to blow up the deal. It's just frustrating.

"What you try to do in a deal like this is you try to be as fair as you can be, and obviously the problem is that we have a deal," White said. "We already have a deal. [Diaz] has a contract.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PnKbdyY0QDk/maxresdefault.jpg)

the fuckin' REALIST
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: NoCalMike on June 03, 2016, 05:04:49 AM
In other words, Zuffa has been getting over on underpaying fighters and they should just STFU and take it.  They have a contract? So what?  Contracts get re-negotiated all the time, old ones ripped up, new ones written, terms changed...etc etc etc.  It is part of the business, always has been.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on June 04, 2016, 10:33:43 AM
Conor/Nate 2 is going down on August 20th.
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on June 04, 2016, 10:40:12 AM
Yesssss
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on June 05, 2016, 01:52:47 AM
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/meltzer-cm-punk-will-likely-fight-at-ufc-202.3260841/
Title: Re: McGregor off UFC 200
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on June 05, 2016, 04:32:38 AM
Meltzer bout to get banned for life with a scoop like that.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 25, 2019, 04:39:49 PM

lol
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Lord of The Curry on March 26, 2019, 12:00:55 AM
Mainstream media is getting trolled hard here. Everybody is buying it.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: AA484 on March 26, 2019, 12:05:30 AM
Mainstream media is getting trolled hard here. Everybody is buying it.

The guys on Golic and Wingo (generally MMA casuals) don't seem to be buying it.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on March 26, 2019, 12:28:48 AM
If it actually is because of not putting him in the main because it wouldn't be for a title, they are idiots. Most likely though it's a PPV points thing.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Lord of The Curry on March 26, 2019, 01:12:53 AM
Faber was on Helwani's show yesterday talking about how 2 years after his retirement that the UFC has approached him about fights and we're supposed to believe that Dana is totally cool with Conor walking?
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Just Call Me Dan on March 26, 2019, 06:24:43 AM
His angling for shares in the company will start a shockwave they don't think they want to deal with.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 26, 2019, 06:42:25 AM
He’s being investigated for sexual assault. Can’t link the story but this is more possibly a forced retirement.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Lord of The Curry on March 26, 2019, 07:07:11 AM
I think it's self-imposed until/if the investigation clears him, then he returns.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Just Call Me Dan on March 26, 2019, 07:52:53 AM
Things make a lot more sense now.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 03, 2019, 04:15:41 AM
So Conor made a racist post about Khabib's wife. Then he said:


That has led to this:

Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 03, 2019, 06:17:52 AM
So Conor made a racist post about Khabib's wife. Then he said:


That has led to this:


Religiously insensitive post. Islam isn't a race.
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 03, 2019, 06:46:04 AM
Religiously insensitive post. Islam isn't a race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_racism
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Lord of The Curry on April 03, 2019, 06:52:10 AM
What kind of racism is non-cultural?
Title: Re: Conor retires again
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 03, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
What kind of racism is non-cultural?

I don't make the rules