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Title: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 16, 2017, 08:51:27 AM
I didn't see an ROH thread so I just wanted to say that I got tickets to see ROH in OKC. Second row too baby. Close enough to feel the wind from the Meltzer Driver.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 16, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
there was an old ROH thread but I'm not going to search for it and it was fairly old. They deserve a new thread as they're doing well with all the Bullet Club/NJPW stuff.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on October 16, 2017, 10:44:10 AM
Dalton Castle should beat Cody for the title, but knowing ROH, he'll lose then be sent back down the card.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on October 16, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Then he'll get it, flop from bad booking after becoming a "fighting champion," and get signed to NXT.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 17, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
Now that I have ROH VOD who can recommend an ROH ppv from 2011 to 2016? October 16 that is.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 17, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
I gave up on ROH during the Davey Richards era and was already checking out before then so I can't reccomend anything. The company peaked during the feud with with CZW to me and really fell off somewhere during all the faction warfare after that and when Gabe left with Adam Pearce taking over and the booking style totally changing it was never the same. Too many big stars leaving and the guys who replaced them were nowhere near as good
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 17, 2017, 11:47:34 AM
They're pretty good now. But how long is this dead period you refer to? What years?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on October 18, 2017, 01:24:11 AM
2008 is the last year that ROH felt like ROH. 2010 had a few highlights (Steen/Generico feud, mostly), but by 2011 it was by the numbers. That was when the ME style became nothing but King's Road Lite, leading to the current "KICK OUT OF EVERYTHING" match structure. There's been a few spurts here and there and the company is doing its best ever financially, but the soul died a long time ago.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: New-New-New England Order on October 18, 2017, 05:53:00 AM
The New Japan/ROH relationship has felt like a "tail wagging the dog" situation for a while now; New Japan is basically using ROH to spotlight their stars to American fans and Japanese fans don't seem to give much of a shit about most of the ROH roster.  If New Japan can get a bigger foothold in the US on their talent alone, that deal is off and ROH is fucked.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 18, 2017, 06:02:42 AM
Njpw is the bigger company and roh needs them more than they ever needed roh so I'd say njpw has been pretty generous given how much top talent has worked in roh and the number of Japan dates guys get even if they aren't as over. Njpw probably won't just unilaterally cut ties with roh one day unless roh really fuvks up. Then roh would be in a ton of trouble.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Hawk 34 on October 18, 2017, 06:15:06 AM
I'd say eventually they'll just merge into a singular promotion, essentially what they are already.  We mentioned this in chat but it bears repeating that the fact in 2017 the top talent in the promotion not affiliated with Bullet Club are the same talent from the early era (Daniels, Lethal, Cabana and Briscoes) and outside of that, who else are your stars from this generation to hang your hat on?  Castle?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on October 18, 2017, 06:18:43 AM
They were doing fine with Elgin, ACH, reDragon, and Cole (though he eventually joined BC but was pretty much one of their top draws beforehand) and a few others but they found better deals elsewhere.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 18, 2017, 06:36:29 AM
I'd say eventually they'll just merge into a singular promotion, essentially what they are already.  We mentioned this in chat but it bears repeating that the fact in 2017 the top talent in the promotion not affiliated with Bullet Club are the same talent from the early era (Daniels, Lethal, Cabana and Briscoes) and outside of that, who else are your stars from this generation to hang your hat on?  Castle?

CHEESEBURGER
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on October 18, 2017, 06:59:30 AM
BIG DOG RHETT TITUS
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: HSJ on October 18, 2017, 08:53:35 AM
REALITY TV STAR KENNY KING
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 18, 2017, 09:10:17 AM
I'd say eventually they'll just merge into a singular promotion, essentially what they are already.  We mentioned this in chat but it bears repeating that the fact in 2017 the top talent in the promotion not affiliated with Bullet Club are the same talent from the early era (Daniels, Lethal, Cabana and Briscoes) and outside of that, who else are your stars from this generation to hang your hat on?  Castle?

If by merge you mean NJPW takes who they want and everyone else is fucked maybe but otherwise no way. So much dead weight that NJPW would never be interested in. The only thing ROH has to offer that NJPW can't get from other indies right now is their sinclair network exposure and the more exposure NJPW gets the less that will matter.

I'd still rather NJPW focus on Asia or even Australia than North America where are seriously underdeveloped markets ripe for expansion.







But uh yeah ROH thread... FUCK DAVEY RICHARDS. No single wrestler did more to ruin ROH for me.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 18, 2017, 09:48:18 AM
I think Davey Richards moment in the spotlight was when I wasn't watching wrestling anymore. Why does everyone hate him?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on October 18, 2017, 09:56:27 AM
I think Davey Richards moment in the spotlight was when I wasn't watching wrestling anymore. Why does everyone hate him?

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Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 18, 2017, 10:04:55 AM
He was the first guy I noticed doing the terrible spot Seth does in some big matches where he rolls through a super plex into another plex immediately. I've seen Richards do it into a suplex to the floor and be up almost right away doing spots like nothing happened. His whole persona was awful and he never got that wrestling was a work.

He, Edwards,  O'Reilly,  fish, strong and some others really turned me off roh. And  I've never had any desire to go back.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on October 18, 2017, 10:53:31 AM
Richards at his best was one of the top junior heavyweight talents in the world. The problem is that his best was before he was given the god push and his shortcomings were made all the worse when he no longer had guys like AmDrag, Daniels, or KENTA to cover for them. He's basically a "serious wrestler" e-fed character from 2003 come to life.

It's really a shame, too, because he was so damn good when he was the disrespectful heel. Once he became I AM HONOR AND FIGHTING SPIRIT he became worthless.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 18, 2017, 11:12:38 AM
Well God damn guys. I like ROH now, the weekly TV show entertains me.
But I'm beginning to feel like it's somehow wrong to like it. I'm also pissed I missed out on apparently a great era.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on October 18, 2017, 02:49:04 PM
Xavier is still the worst ROH champ in history and it pains me to say as he's a Queens guy. He's followed shortly by Homicide. #3 would probably be Jerry Lynn's "Randy The Ram" reign in 2009.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Hawk 34 on October 18, 2017, 03:08:01 PM
Well God damn guys. I like ROH now, the weekly TV show entertains me.
But I'm beginning to feel like it's somehow wrong to like it. I'm also pissed I missed out on apparently a great era.

Don’t let these people confuse you!  Most of this is just about people (myself included) who got older and bitter about dumb wrestling. A lot of it comes from nostalgia and resentment that things just aren’t what they used to be. 

The product is still enjoyable and filled with emerging talent and stocked with veterans who can still perform at a high level. 

I went to the Global Wars event last weekend and while I didn’t know half the talent involved or really know any of the current stories in detail,  the show was still highly entertaining and the crowd was every bit as enthused as they were in the glory days.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 19, 2017, 03:54:47 AM
no one should feel bad about liking something just because other people don't like it anymore...especially a pro wrestling fan.

Like what you like man.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 19, 2017, 04:03:15 AM
Maybe feel bad was the wrong word. But it feels like I'm liking an inferior product compared to what was before. Now I'm kicking myself for being out of it at the time of it's "Golden Age" and missing out on so much. I wish they'd get the damn classic DVDs back up on the ringside membership.

However, they did put up a 3-way on YouTube with Bryan Danielson/Kenny Omega/Tyler Black in it so that was pretty cool. It was blue short tight and shorter hair Kenny but he was still good.

Was Bryan Danielson sold as a killer when he was there? Because the story of the match honestly felt like Kenny and Seth trying to beat Danielson but him just smacking them around unless they could double team him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Hawk 34 on October 19, 2017, 04:09:48 AM
Maybe feel bad was the wrong word. But it feels like I'm liking an inferior product compared to what was before. Now I'm kicking myself for being out of it at the time of it's "Golden Age" and missing out on so much. I wish they'd get the damn classic DVDs back up on the ringside membership.

However, they did put up a 3-way on YouTube with Bryan Danielson/Kenny Omega/Tyler Black in it so that was pretty cool. It was blue short tight and shorter hair Kenny but he was still good.

Was Bryan Danielson sold as a killer when he was there? Because the story of the match honestly felt like Kenny and Seth trying to beat Danielson but him just smacking them around unless they could double team him.


Essentially at the end, he was treated as far superior entity than any other wrestler not just as the best wrestler but as a brawler especially the Morishima feud where the intent appeared to be to legit hurt each other and they succeeded at that.   There’s not really a negative mark in Danielson in ROH unless you have issue with intentionally hour long matches, a staple of that era but even then all those broadways varied wildly so it wasn’t just the same shit again and again.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 19, 2017, 04:13:12 AM
I remember getting the Triple Threat and Round Robin Challenge VHS tapes from RF Video when I was in high school. The guy I was drawn to the most was Christopher Daniels and then Lo Ki. I loved Danielson but the was third on the list for me. Man how wrong I turned out to be.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on October 19, 2017, 04:28:35 AM
Hell, Paul London was my favorite indy wrestler from 2002 until he signed with WWE. His matches with AJ and Danielson were awesome. He'd probably be a bigger star if he didn't have such a big mouth and weird personality behind the scenes.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on October 19, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
The wife and I are getting tickets to Supercard of Honor in New Orleans WM weekend. Anyone else going to be there?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: HSJ on October 19, 2017, 10:05:09 AM
Maybe feel bad was the wrong word. But it feels like I'm liking an inferior product compared to what was before. Now I'm kicking myself for being out of it at the time of it's "Golden Age" and missing out on so much. I wish they'd get the damn classic DVDs back up on the ringside membership.

However, they did put up a 3-way on YouTube with Bryan Danielson/Kenny Omega/Tyler Black in it so that was pretty cool. It was blue short tight and shorter hair Kenny but he was still good.

Was Bryan Danielson sold as a killer when he was there? Because the story of the match honestly felt like Kenny and Seth trying to beat Danielson but him just smacking them around unless they could double team him.


Essentially at the end, he was treated as far superior entity than any other wrestler not just as the best wrestler but as a brawler especially the Morishima feud where the intent appeared to be to legit hurt each other and they succeeded at that.   There’s not really a negative mark in Danielson in ROH unless you have issue with intentionally hour long matches, a staple of that era but even then all those broadways varied wildly so it wasn’t just the same shit again and again.

Plus he wore a cape.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Hawk 34 on October 19, 2017, 10:52:07 AM
Maybe feel bad was the wrong word. But it feels like I'm liking an inferior product compared to what was before. Now I'm kicking myself for being out of it at the time of it's "Golden Age" and missing out on so much. I wish they'd get the damn classic DVDs back up on the ringside membership.

However, they did put up a 3-way on YouTube with Bryan Danielson/Kenny Omega/Tyler Black in it so that was pretty cool. It was blue short tight and shorter hair Kenny but he was still good.

Was Bryan Danielson sold as a killer when he was there? Because the story of the match honestly felt like Kenny and Seth trying to beat Danielson but him just smacking them around unless they could double team him.


Essentially at the end, he was treated as far superior entity than any other wrestler not just as the best wrestler but as a brawler especially the Morishima feud where the intent appeared to be to legit hurt each other and they succeeded at that.   There’s not really a negative mark in Danielson in ROH unless you have issue with intentionally hour long matches, a staple of that era but even then all those broadways varied wildly so it wasn’t just the same shit again and again.

Plus he wore a cape.

And at one point, an eye patch
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on October 19, 2017, 11:54:50 PM
Danielson was a bigger deal after his return in 2005 than he was in 2002/2003. That's when he really put it all together and started cranking out classic after classic.

Dama, try to find as much on the ROH/CZW feud from 2006 as you can. It starts at Hell Freezes Over (Chris Hero's ROH debut) and ends at Death Before Dishonor IV. It's the company's high water mark and possibly the only time an interpromotional feud has really worked.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on October 20, 2017, 01:45:43 AM
Dama, don't get down about enjoying the product. There are still some good things about it. Many of the wrestlers are very good to great talent. It's the booking that's questionable. Having Jay Lethal as the face of the company was really not the best thing. He's pretty bland. A solid wrestler, but nothing about his time as champion really stood out, and then they have him hold the World and TV titles at the same time.

A lot of the talent further down the card just screams of average. Like they wouldn't have even been on the roster back during their great times.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: The Valeyard on October 20, 2017, 11:03:32 AM
Bring back Pelle Primeau.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on November 19, 2017, 05:26:59 AM
I'm going to see ROH in OKC tonight. I'm debating if I want to go to the meet and greet or not.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on November 19, 2017, 04:09:07 PM
No doubt the best wrestling show I've ever been to.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: ViciousFish on November 20, 2017, 01:19:42 AM
Details?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on November 20, 2017, 02:34:23 AM
So the meet and greet was pretty awesome. It was not a long line because it wasn't a very large show. So I did not have to wait forever for the meet and greet.

It was $20 per wrestler (photo and autograph) or $30 for a tag team. I walked in and bought two singles meets (I budgeted to blow money on this show) and immediately noticed the line for the BC members. I then saw Jay Lethal and Kenny King sitting alone looking bored and I felt a little bit of pity. So I used one of them on Kenny King. He was pretty awesome and when I told him I liked his match with KUSHIDA when he won the title he actually leaned over and hugged me and told me how much he appreciated it. We shot the shit about KUSHIDA for a while because nobody else was walking up.

Then I went and got in Cody's line. He was very cool and we actually had a decent conversation about Yujiro Takahashi. I wanted to know if he's anything like he's portrayed on BTE. Cody said his English is actually bad and a lot of what he says on the show is just lines they gave him that he's repeating. He said deep down inside he thinks that Yujiro may actually be a dick though (his exact words). I then took a pic holding the title and a pic kissing the ring. Most people were just laying their lips on it but instinctively I actually smooched it when I pulled away and he laughed and said "Wow you really got in there!"

So then I went to the merch table in my Dalton Castle shirt and guess who was hanging at the merch table? We struck up a conversation about if he actually received royalties from my shirt or not since I bought it at the LV Fight Shop. I told him they buy their product from Pro Wrestling Tees and he got the royalty then but for some reason he didn't believe me until the merch girl told him I was right. I think he was angling for me to buy an autograph or another shirt by pulling the "you're wearing my shirt for free!' act. He was very charismatic and funny in real life though.

Then I was feeling bad because my son loves the Bucks and didn't get to meet them (he didn't want to come to the M&G because of lines). So I went ahead and bought an autograph from them. I was the last one in line so we then got to shoot the shit. I showed them pics of my son doing too sweet and they liked it. We then talked about Cracker Barrel and Matt asked what my go-to order is. Country Fried Breakfast with fried chicken of course. Then I took a pic. They both got on each side of me and I put my arms around them. I am over a head taller than both.

So then we're getting ready as the show is about to start and my son walks in. I said "Jace look!" and pointed at the Bucks. They heard this and started yelling "Jace come here and meet us!" "Give us a too sweet!" So he ran over there and too sweeted both and then they offered to take a free pic with him so we did that. The Bucks were just awesome.

The show itself was pretty amazing too. It was just really interactive and really fun. The matches  weren't really anything to write home about but they were still a ton of fun. I was in the 2nd row and anytime the action spilled to the floor it was right in front of me. So that was fun too.

Joey Ryan was there and did all of his spots including putting his opponent in a front face lock and then making the ref come over with a mic so he can tell us all that the guy is now going to touch his dick.

At intermission The Kingdom were standing on a table by the merch table with Matt Taven making fun of people in BC shirts and asking who wants to get laid tonight. He said the only way to get laid tonight is to buy a Kingdom shirt. It was a huge scene and they sold a ton of shirts doing it. Taven was hilarious too. His better lines:

"Why are you talking to me? You look like you work at a gas station my man. My shirt won't help you. Get lost."

"Nice flannel. Is Pearl Jam in town?"

*a guy buys a shirt and his girlfriend runs over and kisses him* "Look! He's had the shirt on for less than a minute and women are throwing themselves at him!"

*a guys girlfriend loudly protests him buying the shirt* "Is that your girlfriend? Don't worry much better looking women will want to sleep with you now."
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: ViciousFish on November 20, 2017, 02:50:37 AM
Sounds awesome. I get a meet & greet with Cody on Saturday in Edmonton.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on November 21, 2017, 12:30:45 AM
Reading about your son meeting the Bucks put the dumbest smile on my face.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 21, 2017, 12:44:40 PM
Reading about your son meeting the Bucks put the dumbest smile on my face.

Same here. I got even more excited to meet them and Cody next month because of it.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: ravman77 on November 21, 2017, 09:52:23 PM
I've met the Bucks a few times over here in the U.K. and they are gentlemen. Sure they're making good money off merch etc but they always put a bit of effort in and are happy to talk, pose etc. Good guys.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on December 15, 2017, 02:42:36 PM
I ordered Final Battle tonight. Pretty good show. The main just started. Cody bleached his hair.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on December 15, 2017, 02:56:25 PM
Dalton Castle won the ROH world title from Cody.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 04, 2018, 06:34:43 AM
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Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on January 04, 2018, 07:10:51 AM
The new Tag, Women's, and TV belts look really good. The new 6-man and World, though, do not.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Nymyzys on January 04, 2018, 07:14:05 AM
The 6 man tag looks quite a bit like Impact's Grand title.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on February 02, 2018, 05:53:42 AM
ROH announced that Cody Rhodes will face Kenny Omega at the Supercard of Honor event on Saturday, April 7th during Wrestlemania weekend in New Orleans. 


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVDJmU9VoAABup4.png)
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on February 02, 2018, 09:17:21 AM
You trying to scoop me dubq? Steal my thunder? I mentioned this earlier in the puro thread.

It was actually announced on Being the Elite today when Nick Jackson had one of his visions of the future.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on February 03, 2018, 11:52:59 AM
I haven't had a chance to seethe new BTE yet :(
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 03, 2018, 11:57:34 AM
They've officially released the information on their streaming service. (http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/honorclub-launch-imminent)

Quote
Ringside Members will automatically become an HonorClub member until their subscription expires. At that time, previous members can decide how they would like to proceed with their HonorClub membership.  The various plans will include both monthly and annual options for the Standard Membership. Fans can choose whether they would like to pay $9.99 per month or a discounted $99.99 for the entire year. However, for the ultimate Ring of Honor experience, fans will have the option to purchase an Annual VIP membership for just $119.99. This package includes all of the wonderful features of the Standard Membership, but it also gives you free access to all ROH Pay Per Views!

They're working on a Fire Stick and Roku app now. Their PPVs are usually $34.99, so if you're getting all of them at $120, that's not a bad deal.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on February 03, 2018, 12:33:56 PM
I only watched ROH for a stretch circa 2009-2010 when oddly enough it was all the guys who are big now (Rollins, Owens, Zayn, Cesaro, Omega, Bucks).  I'd think about doing this for $120 for the year and getting full access.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on February 03, 2018, 12:56:32 PM
I'm so sorry. Peace be with you.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: HSJ on February 04, 2018, 04:07:34 AM
If they get it on the roku, I’ll get it.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on February 09, 2018, 01:32:27 PM
Emma/Tenille Dashwood is now in ROH and is in the WOH tourney. 😍
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 09, 2018, 01:45:45 PM
She debuted at tonight's show live on Fite, Facebook Live, and the ROH website. They were testing their new streaming service and used tonight live show to do so for free. It was a really solid show headlined by the Bucks vs Best Friends is a great match. Best Friends started to play the heels about halfway through and it was a lot of fun. Matt was still selling the back from the last NJPW show.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on February 09, 2018, 03:06:52 PM
Best Friends put on sunglasses and turned into dicks in real life. They even did an adominal stretch and passed a lit cigarette back and forth.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on February 09, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Have they busted out the trench coat spot recently?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 10, 2018, 11:52:50 AM
Have they busted out the trench coat spot recently?

Not recently, unfortunately.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on February 11, 2018, 02:12:04 AM
Speaking of the ROH/NJPW partnership, I bought tickets to ROH/NJPW War of the Worlds in Lowell in May. And here's a sign of how much New Japan (and I guess maybe ROH but not really, mostly NJPW) has exploded in the last few years. Last time my friend went he got a 3rd row ticket for $40. This time, it's $60 a ticket for balcony.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on March 10, 2018, 03:12:11 PM
No one talking about last night's show.  That fucking mark Austin Aries showed up with four titles announcing his plans to take a fifth.  Seems he will because he wants the TV title so don't see World Champ of another promotion coming in to job to Kenny King.

Then Kenny Omega shows up under the bear head.

Curious about Scurll getting the main event spot at Supercard of Honor at Wrestlemania weekend.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on March 11, 2018, 05:06:16 AM
Supercard of Honor card, placed in Spoiler tags as some plays out from last night's tapings that have yet to air

Spoiler: show
Battle of the Bullet Club: Cody vs Kenny Omega

ROH World Championship Match: Dalton Castle vs Marty Scurll

ROH Television Championship - Last Man Standing Match: Kenny King vs Silas Young

ROH 6 Man Championship - Ladder Match: Flip Gordon and The Young Bucks v SoCal Uncensored

Tomohiro Ishii v Punishment Martinez

Kota Ibushi v Hangman Page
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 11, 2018, 05:19:56 AM
I'm so glad I have tickets.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on March 11, 2018, 05:20:52 AM
Yeah, I thought you were going to that Dama.  Look forward to hearing about your experience when you get back.  Looks like a fairly solid card.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on March 14, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
Punishment Martinez kind of stinks tbh.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 14, 2018, 02:22:58 PM
There's not a single match on that card I'd pay to see.

Seconding Kamala's assessment. He makes QT Marshall and the Mike Mondo push seem reasonable.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on March 14, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
Punishment Martinez kind of stinks tbh.

Yeah, I've never been impressed with what I've seen from him. It's like someone combined the worst elements of Gangrel and Roman Reigns.

Silas Young isn't great either. Good gimmick that he plays very well, but my interest dies as soon as he wrestles.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 14, 2018, 11:13:18 PM
holy shit what a waste of ibushi.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 14, 2018, 11:19:50 PM
I actually like Punishment Martinez. I'm generally entertained by him. He's what Baron Corbin should be. (i'm sure someone is about to jump in and tell me how Corbin is better than Martinez. save it. I already disagree)

I saw a cell phone video of a Kenny/Cody pull-apart where Kenny told Cody that when Brandi kissed him it wasn't the first time. That was pretty good.

The only (and I mean only) match on that card I am not looking forward to is King vs. Young. Everything else has me hyped and so glad I ponied up the dough early for this.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: HSJ on March 15, 2018, 02:48:35 AM
lol Corbin is so much better than Punishment.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 15, 2018, 02:56:05 AM
Corbin at least doesn't have a stupid vampire look.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 15, 2018, 05:25:07 AM
Punishment Martinez is one of the silliest looking guys in a "big" company to me. I'm glad dama is looking forward to it but yeah nothing here looks interesting to me at all.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on March 15, 2018, 05:26:08 AM
But workrate wise.....who really IS the better worker? Think about it. I'd argue that Martinez is actually a step above Corbin in the workrate department. He sure is much more versatile and can perform highspots so much more cohesively than Corbin. In fact has Corbin even tried a top rope spot at all?

I still am kind of scratching my head at all of the ROH hate here. I thought, comparatively if we look back from Anniversary show to the next one, this past year ROH really stepped up some of the work and every pay per view had a really strong mid to upper card. They didn't have to hang the work on the NJPW involvement either this past year. The weekly TV is also head and shoulders much better than I recall it being possibly ever. I have also dug the balance of incorporating better storylines into the fold too, which is one area ROH rarely succeeds with.

But I'll admit I'm a fan of ROH and always have been just simply because the workrate is appreciated and focused upon more here than any of the other main U.S. companies, except of course PWG. That's never changed since it's inception really.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 15, 2018, 05:30:17 AM
I don't want my big dudes all trying top rope spots though. Corbin isn't very good but he's had a number of good matches and he sticks to what he knows.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 15, 2018, 05:54:59 AM
The lack of ROH praise is a byproduct of us remembering when they were blatantly the best company in the country. Then Gabe burned out, Pearce flopped, Corny nearly killed the territory, and the best talents went to WWE under Delirious. It's not so much the product is bad as much as it is lame compared to what it was.

That and Punishment Martinez is awful.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 15, 2018, 06:00:24 AM
Their talent are also the worst part of the company I actually like usually. I don't need to see Hangman Page shitting up NJPW every show. I wish the company well but they haven't made a product I enjoy or am interested in since Gabe decided to do his botched version of Dragon Gate's Faction Warfare.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on March 15, 2018, 06:06:37 AM
I don't know who Punishment Martinez is but even his name sounds low rent.  But I was trying to save it.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 15, 2018, 07:55:17 AM
lol Corbin is so much better than Punishment.


100% disagree.

Corbin makes me want to turn my TV off and do something else. Usually I'm entertained by Punishment Martinez's matches.

I like Adam Page matches too for the record.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 15, 2018, 08:03:42 AM
Punishment Martinez is one of the silliest looking guys in a "big" company to me. I'm glad dama is looking forward to it but yeah nothing here looks interesting to me at all.

How is Kenny/Cody not interesting to you? Have you been watching NJPW or Being The Elite?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 15, 2018, 08:41:31 AM
Because Cody is an average worker and Omega is extremely overrated. They're both cartoonish oversellers on their own and I can't imagine them in a match together. Omega is a good wrestler but he's been hyped up to a ridiculous degree by Meltzer and co. I wouldn't put him in the top 5 of NJPW much less the top 5 of the World which is the way he's sold by Dave.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on March 15, 2018, 08:59:26 AM
Punishment Martinez has a cool look and that's about it. He seems really agile for a big man until you realize he's a klutz. Corbin's still relatively new to wrestling so there's a chance he could get better. And I think even as is, he's probably better than Punishment. Punishment's been on the indies forever. You can find him in the old NWA On Fire Live Blogs (RIP). It's funny to me to see ROH hype him as some dominant newcomer.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on March 15, 2018, 09:02:11 AM
That being said Cody Vs Omega is a great angle and is gonna be a good if not great match for sure. I think Cody Rhodes is really starting to put it together these last few months. Anyone who doesn't like this is a goth or Jim Cornette.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 15, 2018, 10:11:16 AM
Cody is the best heel in the business currently and I've honestly never seen a Kenny match I didn't love. I don't think Meltzer overrates him. My own eyes tell me he's entertaining me. I guess I'm just at my usual disagreement with board consensus.

And I guess we have a difference of opinion on Punishment Martinez. I've never been entertained by Baron Corbin save his match with Austin Aries. I'm consistently entertained by Martinez.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 15, 2018, 10:30:02 AM
He gave Omega matches more than 5 stars so I definitely think he overrates him. The first Okada/Omega match was really great the first time you watch it but it doesn't hold up nearly as well on rewatches. Okada has had way better matches against other opponents. Omega is probably the worst of the"move-spam style" main eventers. That style can be very entertaining especially live when you don't know the finish but I don't think it holds up and it leads to overkill.

And yeah I for sure don't agree with the idea Cody is the best heel in the business. Miz is the best guy at getting real heat, Elias is tremendous, Jericho should count since it's only been 2 months since he worked. Jericho got heel heat in NJPW where Cody barely gets any reaction at all. The fans there cared more about his wife.

It's great that people like different things and there is a wide variety out there.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 15, 2018, 10:35:23 AM
I've watched Okada vs Omega part II 3x and it's entertaining every time I do.

I just can't agree on Miz. I actually have to want to see someone have a match for their heel act to work. Same with Elias.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 15, 2018, 10:44:32 AM
Cody Rhodes is the reason I don't watch ROH, so yeah. People here have massively different opinions.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: New-New-New England Order on March 15, 2018, 11:13:50 AM
Corbin is carryable and he can look good (or at least competent) with a good opponent.

I like Cody's act enough.  It really straddles the line of comic book villain sometimes, but I think that's intentional.  If he wasn't part of a hot group like Bullet Club with good talent around him it's probably fall flat, but you can say that about a lot of people.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on March 15, 2018, 11:35:52 AM
Punishment I go back and forth on from time to time. I hated him at first, but then he had a couple of decent matches and I warmed up to him. Then he would have a bunch of shit matches and I remembered why he was awful. Just watch his match from the most recent NY show a few weeks back. He was the drizzling shits.

Cody is great. In the ring he's very good, but he trained under the WWE style and it's going to take time to get rid of that. But his character he does so damn great. You watch him, and you believe that's him, even though he's nothing like that. His feud with Omega has been so money so far.

Adam Page I didn't like at first, but he's gotten so much better over the past year that I actually look forward to his matches when I know he's on the show.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 16, 2018, 01:27:32 PM
Yeah so I watched some ROH TV tonight and checked out some matches and promos.

Cody isn't a good heel imo. He doesn't get real heel heat first off. Maybe that's changed with the Omega feud but I watched a bunch of segments from his ROH run and I sure know he doesn't in NJPW. His entire "Kiss the Ring" gimmick is going to be beloved in 2018 not hated. He's working a WWE gimmick and WWE wrestling style on the indies and getting praise from the people who can't stand WWE.

I watched the ROH TV from 3/9 and the only person who looked like a star on it was Emma (whatever her name is now). Flip Gordon was ok but I've seen at least a score of better high flyers in ROH before him. The other wrestlers were mostly embarrassingly bad. The presentation was sad. I mean:

(https://i.imgur.com/LPKnQ8r.png)
wtf is this. ROH had better gimmicks and looks in 2004.

I watched Punishment Martinez Vs Marty Scrull. Punishment has impressive agility. That's the only nice thing I can say about him. He doesn't sell even in the most basic sense, he has no accuracy with his agility (he landed directly on Scrull's head at one point on a springboard sault), and made a number of simple botches. Corbin might not do anything spectacular but he does all the basics far better. I also watched a number of his promos and they're pretty similiar to Corbin's.

I also watched some promos where the Bullet Club looked like a bunch of scrubs. Marty Scrull beatboxing in the background for no reason, Adam Page is his cowboy vest, Cody using tired nWo catchphrases. If they're the cool heel stable of this generation we suck.

So yeah I'm not a fan.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 16, 2018, 01:28:54 PM
We'll......that's one opinion.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 16, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
the whole crowd is wearing bullet club shirts, he's going around getting people (often attractive (for roh) women to kiss his ring as the crowd chants "kiss the ring" and cheers. That's the same kind of cool heel gimmick that gets shat on in WWE.

I'll take Miz, Jericho or Elias over that any day.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 16, 2018, 02:21:11 PM
I'll take Jericho but not the other two. No way. I honestly can't see what any of you see in those two. It makes no sense to me at all.

A lot of the stuff Cody does as a heel that I like is on Twitter, Being the Elite and post match interviews in NJPW.

Best heel in the business IMO and the hive mind isn't going to change my mind.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: The Valeyard on March 16, 2018, 02:33:05 PM
Do they still have Taelor Hendrix? That's kind of all my ROH interest.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 16, 2018, 02:40:47 PM
You're talking about us being a hive-mind while you're loving the most trendy act in the business.

Quote
A lot of the stuff Cody does as a heel that I like is on Twitter,

Yeah I give up. Can't get much more fundamental a difference of opinion here.

I like my heels to do their heeling on the actual wrestling show. If I have to actively seek out their social media and internet shows to see what makes them truly hateable then that is a flawed model to me. Miz and Elias get their heat right there on the show every time. The fans want to cheer Miz all the time and he turns them around and has them booing because he understands what his role is. Elias started out as a unimpressive NXT guy and is now one of the most over guys on the roster because he's a cowardly heel who insults the crowds and plays the guitar. It's a simple fun gimmick.

Clearly not worth going back and forth anymore though.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 16, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
Best heel in the business IMO and the hive mind isn't going to change my mind.

It's not like anyone's telling you some personality lacking goof like Baron Corbin or Jinder Mahal is good.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 16, 2018, 02:51:29 PM
The Miz and Elias get all the wrong heat from me. It's not a good heel act when I don't want to see them get what they deserve because I don't want to see them.wrestle.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 16, 2018, 02:54:58 PM
I'll give you Elias isn't a good wrestler cause there's really nothing to disprove that.

Jiz is a good wrestler though.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on March 16, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
Not in my view. His matches all look the same and bore me to tears.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on March 17, 2018, 10:17:47 AM
Miz is fantastic. He's one of the few full heels around right now. He's not the cool heel, he's not the funny heel. Every time the fans get behind him, he knows just exactly what to say to get them to boo him, and it's not the cheap heat, "your team sucks" kind of heat either. His matches are great because of how he controls the crowd. The little things he does in the ring, like adding the "Yes" kicks, and proclaiming them the "It" kicks.

The problem with watching Cody in ROH is thee fans there pretty much suck. The Bullet Club is a heel group, or they used to be, but the ROH fans cheered them. Instead of making sure they booed, the Bullet Club played into that, so they can do their heel antics and the fans will eat it up as face. The ROH fans did that with Cody as well. They know who he is, his family, and how WWE screwed him over with the name issue, and not pushing him. He got that push on the indies, warranted or not, and the fans got behind him. I'm still a fan of his, and this his character is great and he plays it perfectly.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 17, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
I don't think protecting your intellectual property is screwing someone over. If you start making exceptions for people then you won't be able to legally defend not making exceptions for others.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 17, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
I don't see how being told he can't use a name that his father used independently of WWE for decades is anything but screwing him over. Similarly, I don't understand why he didn't just use Runnels.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on March 17, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
Just like the others, Dusty's name and the Rhodes name became WWE property when certain contracts were signed.  Cody himself said he probably could use the name if he asked.  Regardless, Cody Rhodes is a name owned by WWE where he started his wrestling career and right or wrong, everyone else that ever walked through would have an argument to try to use whatever name/gimmick they had in WWE anyway.

I just always appreciated Impact's workaround of giving Brandi the Rhodes last name so they could say Cody & Brandi Rhodes
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 17, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
It wasn't screwing him over as I'm not sure it damaged him in any way at all. I don't think they were trying to screw him either. In fact I think it helped him gain more notoriety.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 17, 2018, 12:01:11 PM
Legally you must defend all your trademarks or risk losing it. It also doesn't matter that Dusty used the name for decades outside of WWE. He and every other worker that goes to WWE knows the deal and is compensated for it.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on March 17, 2018, 12:28:24 PM
It wasn't screwing him over as I'm not sure it damaged him in any way at all. I don't think they were trying to screw him either. In fact I think it helped him gain more notoriety.

I should kind of rephrase that, the fans thought he was screwed over. He could have done much more in WWE, but he hit their ceiling. They could have done more with his dashing character. There was a fantastic article about him a couple weeks ago, and he mentioned bringing a bunch of ideas to creative meetings, and they basically scoffed at all of them because they didn't see anything else in him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 31, 2018, 05:43:55 AM
I gotta say that I finally saw something from Cody I enjoyed in this week's episode. His promo on Kenny Omega started off a little too cute, too "business exposing" by talking strictly match quality, but then it turned into a classic heel promo. Stunted and derivative, sure, but Cody's delivery has never been anything but on point.

In particular, I loved his comparison of Omega to "that underground band you claim to love but can't name a single song by," and when he retorted about Kenny calling him a WWE reject by emphasizing how Omega was rejected from "the developmental league." It had the crowd gasping.

Then Kenny comes out and I really, really fucking wish he did anything in the ring I found interesting. He has such a natural charisma to him and how he talks, reminiscent of when Rob Van Dam was cutting some really underrated promos in 1997-1998.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 05, 2018, 05:54:15 AM
I love what ROH does with their house shows. They don't just put the same matches on during a loop like WWE does. I understand there's logistical things that prevent WWE from doing that, but it's still really fun to watch.

I'm going to the ROH Dallas show father's day weekend. It's going to be awesome. Atlantis will be there and Hurricane Helms.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on June 05, 2018, 06:12:40 AM
Will Dadaramu accompany you and cheer for Silas Young and Beer City Bruiser?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 05, 2018, 07:10:12 AM
Hell no. Dadaramu doesn't watch wrestling.

I however will be cheering for Silas. I love that dude's character.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 06, 2018, 05:42:45 AM
ROH TV has been on point in this current run of shows from Chicago. Last weeks of Aries vs Silas was absolutely great, as was even the women's match before it. The week before as well was a really solid hour of wrestling.

I had just watched this coming weekend's ROH TV waaaay early as well since it airs very early in the week on the regional sports network NESN out of New England/Boston area. Once again a very strong episode. Opened with Flip/Gresham, then a quality street fight type bout with Purazzo and Klein, and a solid as fuck main of Briscoes vs Roppongi 3K.

Next taping sounded on paper pretty good too, the one they taped this past weekend in NYC at Hammerstein.

I'm not sure how they can get away with airing a weekend show already on a Tuesday but I'm all for it. Hope it keeps up. It airs Tuesdays or Weds on NESN.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on June 12, 2018, 06:56:26 AM
Somehow, ROH is coming to MSG next year. That's gonna be a lot of seats to black out!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: The Valeyard on June 12, 2018, 07:02:23 AM
Time for the return of Pelle Primeau to save the company.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: JHawk on June 12, 2018, 11:00:59 AM
I'll believe it when tickets go on sale.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on June 12, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
they're going to have to bring in so many njpw guys and other talent. it's going to cost them an arm and a leg. Maybe losing exclusivity is a good thing for WWE because all these companies being name marks is going to end up costing them a lot of money for not really any gain.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: The Valeyard on June 12, 2018, 11:11:41 AM
Now you got me wanting All In 2: Double Penetration at MSG next year.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: JHawk on June 12, 2018, 12:14:09 PM
The only reason WWE runs it as little as it does anymore is because MSG is ridiculously expensive to book.  No way another company can run MSG without losing their ass.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on June 13, 2018, 04:59:24 AM
They'll just end up playing the Theater at MSG instead. Bait and switch!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 16, 2018, 04:32:41 PM
My son and I went and saw me ROH Dallas tonight. It was a really fun show and the interactivity was great as usual.

Punishment Martinez won the TV title. That was pretty awesome. I was wearing a Punishment shirt too. He saw me on his way up the aisle and gave me a peace sign. I was in the second row by the ramp.

Also we waited outside after. I stood with my son. There were about 5 other people waiting. No joke they were all about 350 lbs+ and had autograph books.
As the wrestlers left they'd see them getting ready to mob them and then they'd see my son and I patiently waiting off to the side. Every one of them made a beeline for my son and ignored the fat guys. He got a lot of high fives and "hey buddy!  Did you enjoy the show?"

The Briscoes and Cody were the coolest to him and seemed the most interested in making sure he had fun. Mark Briscoe in particular seemed to want nothing to do with anyone but him.

If they walked away from us and the autograph book was still in their face they'd oblige but they didn't hang around to chat with those guys.

I just wanted to meet Punishment and I did. He was super chill and talked to my son about karate (my son started karate about a month ago).

Chris Bosh of pwg fame was there as a fan too. Apparently he lives in Dallas now. He stopped and talked to the Bucks and SCU. Then they started planning a BTE skit with Bosh and then they went into the parking lot and filmed it. I couldn't believe I got to see the entire process.

Also none of the BTE guys ride together. The Bucks were with SCU. Cody and Brandi were with each other. Marty rode with Jonathan Gresham and Hangman was riding with Flip Gordon. Of course all those guys left out of a different exit and went to a different parking lot that was further down. So maybe they were all heading to the same car.

Martinez was riding with the CMLL guys who all came out without masks except Atlantis who had a black ski mask on.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on June 19, 2018, 04:41:37 AM
MSG deal fell through. WWE got their wish.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 19, 2018, 07:24:56 AM
MSG deal fell through. WWE got their wish.

My guess is they move on to another similarly bigger venue then like Prudential Center Mania week. It's a shame as I would have liked to see ROH at least try to get a big crowd in MSG, but they could accomplish the same task going to Prudential. Time will tell.

I wonder if Vince has to go in on at least one show at MSG Mania week to get this deal blocked? Hall of Fame perhaps?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 19, 2018, 07:28:53 AM
My story was no sold. Damn you all!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on June 19, 2018, 07:31:35 AM
I read it man, didn't no sell it. Just don't know how to respond to long stories which is why I figure my movie reviews don't always get responses.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on June 19, 2018, 07:36:47 AM
I do not respond to posts where Punishment Martinez has won gold.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 19, 2018, 07:53:00 AM
I read it man, didn't no sell it. Just don't know how to respond to long stories which is why I figure my movie reviews don't always get responses.

I just thought it was cool how awesome most of these guys were with my son. It makes me happy to see the memories he's making.

Hanging outside the arena waiting for wrestlers with him was pretty awesome.

Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on June 19, 2018, 07:59:12 AM
I read it man, didn't no sell it. Just don't know how to respond to long stories which is why I figure my movie reviews don't always get responses.

I just thought it was cool how awesome most of these guys were with my son. It makes me happy to see the memories he's making.

Hanging outside the arena waiting for wrestlers with him was pretty awesome.

I ran into Coach at a gas station after a Raw I went to. Obviously he was using his own car, and he was with his kids. Those guys hate hate hate hate hate talking to people our age, so I didn't say anything to him. I also suspect that people like him, Cole, and Big Cass rarely have good interactions with fans, and therefore that means they are guarded and hostile most of the time. So nope, didn't say a word.

I think they can only tolerate the famous aspects of their job for the kids that are fans. Obviously the paychecks don't hurt either.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 19, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
I made sure to compliment every single person's match and I told them I was highly entertained. Every one of them seemed genuinely appreciative.

Rocky Romero was the same way the two times I talked to him (and took shots with....) WM weekend.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on June 21, 2018, 01:46:55 AM
Austin Aries who is again the champion of Impact was confirmed for Best in the World this morning.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 27, 2018, 05:17:37 AM
Austin Aries who is again the champion of Impact was confirmed for Best in the World this morning.

That should be a pretty awesome match with Kenny King hopefully. They've been building that one for awhile.

The ppv on Friday seems pretty decent on paper, but it's kind of odd that New Japan essentially will have a show in Florida that will run head to head with this from their counterpart, New Japan. Technically its a Kenny Omega show I think, but still kinda wonky that all of the NJ talent will be more at the Omega show than the ROH one. Much less than its head to head against each other.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 29, 2018, 10:26:02 AM
I just ordered Best in the World on the FITE app for $34.99. If they would get their shit together and get a Roku app for the Honor Club I'd pay $119 and watch every PPV throughout the year.

I assume I'm the only one watching tonight via legal or illegal means?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 29, 2018, 01:23:30 PM
Show hasn't actually been good at all so far. However King vs Aries was pretty damn good so maybe that's going to turn it around.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 29, 2018, 01:49:36 PM
2 for 2 as a turning point. Lethal vs Kushida was great.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 30, 2018, 05:01:08 AM
I ended up watching the show last night through the Honor Club on my laptop just hooked in HDMI thru it to my TV n worked great just like NJPW World does that way. I'm already subscribed to Honor Club so was able to get the live stream for 17 bucks on there. They wanted 45.99 on DirecTV so that was a no-brainer for me

I thought the show was pretty good but it wasn't like a blow away type thing but the last half of that show was pretty darn good up from Aries and Kenny King on.... that was pretty solid work although I question what they're doing with the world title. I think they should put it on Scrull to be honest. He held that match together last night and was clearly the most over. Castle is still very hurt and really has no right to still have the belt.

I think why they're doing that though is a few reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if they even flip the belt to Cody at the next TV tapings which probably will be today from the same location if they're still doing that formula of TV tapings right after a pay-per-view. My guess is they don't want to do and air a title switch until after the New Japan show in San Francisco because they don't want to make it look like their champion is jobbing to the New Japan champion. That said they might wait and have Cody win it at the mid to late July set of tapings which I think is in Atlanta or something. on top of that I think they just wanted to Swerve the audience because it seemed very obvious that Cody was probably going to be winning. well like I said I think they should rethink the whole thing and considered given the belt to Scurll. He's over as fuck and they even gave him a swanky upgrade of his music. I'd personally prefer that over another Cody run but we will see

Really liked how they pushed the Stardom girls in the women's tag too. I want to see more of that. Sakai needs to job that belt out to someone asap too. She's adding negative elements to that division ...Tenille Dashwood should get a run against those Stardom contingent.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on June 30, 2018, 12:17:24 PM

I think why they're doing that though is a few reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if they even flip the belt to Cody at the next TV tapings which probably will be today from the same location if they're still doing that formula of TV tapings right after a pay-per-view. My guess is they don't want to do and air a title switch until after the New Japan show in San Francisco because they don't want to make it look like their champion is jobbing to the New Japan champion. That said they might wait and have Cody win it at the mid to late July set of tapings which I think is in Atlanta or something. on top of that I think they just wanted to Swerve the audience because it seemed very obvious that Cody was probably going to be winning. well like I said I think they should rethink the whole thing and considered given the belt to Scurll. He's over as fuck and they even gave him a swanky upgrade of his music. I'd personally prefer that over another Cody run but we will see


They had the TV tapings tonight.
Spoiler: show
Jay Lethal won the title
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on June 30, 2018, 12:56:28 PM
Spoiler: show
...really??
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 30, 2018, 01:13:50 PM
Yes.

I signed up for Honor Club and watched it. WWE conditioned me to expect a bait and switch.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on June 30, 2018, 01:48:17 PM
My guess is Dalton is hurt so much that he needs time off, and Cody will beat
Spoiler: show
Lethal
for the title after the G1 Special leading into All In.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 30, 2018, 01:48:31 PM
Wow they had the TV tapings live on honor club? I had no idea...wow...that wasn't the finish I expected!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on June 30, 2018, 01:59:59 PM
Just the title match was live.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on July 01, 2018, 01:57:10 AM
Spoiler: show
Jay Lethal's character is incredibly boring and long overdue  in need of a revision so yeah, OF COURSE, ROH would put the strap on him.

Even though it's probably a transitional reign, still feels like they could've done better IMO
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: ViciousFish on July 01, 2018, 02:00:50 AM
Spoiler: show
Jay Lethal's character is incredibly boring and long overdue  in need of a revision so yeah, OF COURSE, ROH would put the strap on him.

Even though it's probably a transitional reign, still feels like they could've done better IMO


They had no options. Dalton’s falling apart. They aren’t running ROH Champion vs NJPW Champion at the G1 Special. Taven is Taven. I can’t stand
Spoiler: show
 Lethal
at all but he’s the best option here.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 01, 2018, 02:05:32 AM
Spoiler: show
They obviously didn't change it the night before because they don't want to make Marty a transitional champion and they obviously just don't want it on Cody yet.

I agree a remake of Lethal is badly needed. Even his segments on BTE are bland.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: ViciousFish on July 01, 2018, 02:09:33 AM
I’d rather watch Roman vs Jinder than a Lethal match. Every complaint people have ever had about vanilla midgets fits Lethal perfectly.

And Lethal Injection is the dumbest fucking move that makes everyone who gets hit by it look like a complete idiot
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 01, 2018, 02:10:01 AM
Plus.....

Spoiler: show
 This completes the storyline they were telling with Lethal getting all of his wins back to get a title shot. Now he got the title, it was a happy ending and nobody will really complain in a month when Cody beats him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on July 01, 2018, 02:59:48 AM
I was doing my monthly ritual of  clearing off episodes of ROH's weekly show off my DVR and Ian Riccaboni shouted out former TSMer David Bixenspan during an episode from the Hammerstein Ballroom.
https://youtu.be/cXVZVCoaxM4

Spoiler: show
I am agreeing with people who predict Jay Lethal loses the title to Cody Rhodes in like a month. Then I almost guarantee he "snaps" after losing the belt and does a run as a vicious heel like Christopher Daniels and Jay Briscoe just did in the past year. This company's booking is so rote for the past few years. GD
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 02, 2018, 10:06:53 AM
I second Lethal Injection. I've spoken with Vicious about it many times. It just looks dumb. I'm not a fan of most back handsrping moves, but that one just looks bad. He never gets enough height so the other guy has to lean into the crusher/stunner.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on July 05, 2018, 02:52:47 AM
Watched Briscoes/Bucks. Half the match felt like the Briscoes trying to force their style of match onto the Bucks, the other half felt like the Bucks forcing their style onto the Briscoes.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on July 05, 2018, 03:00:44 AM
Taeler Hendrix is going off on Jay Lethal on Twitter claiming she was blackballed from ROH for refusing to sleep with him. Crazy, much?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on July 05, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
Yes, it is crazy if he did something like that.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on July 05, 2018, 04:45:38 AM
Most signs are pointing to it being a false accusation given Taeler's propensity for hyperbole and Lethal being regarded as one of the more amiable talents.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on July 05, 2018, 05:12:07 AM
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I wasn't trying to discredit her just because she's a women but she doesn't have the best credibility and has been known to be hard to work with which is why we don't see much of her these days.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 05, 2018, 06:28:18 AM
She also has a history of sleeping with guys backstage to move up, by her own saying. Obviously if Jay did that, her history shouldn't discredit her, but when you have a history, it makes things you say harder to believe. I am interested to see where this one goes, if anywhere at all. Jay being one of the most respected guys around and all. It's not like she's making Big Mike or someone from his camp.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on July 06, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cory-machado.22158/

This is a relevant thread spanning the last couple years about Taeler's boyfriend, Cory Machado. He seems an obvious scam artist. If this goes to trial? Their relationship and his easily debunked cons won't help her.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on July 08, 2018, 11:40:16 AM
I'm going to skip past the gross "well hey she fucked a lot of other guys" and just post an update from Meltzer:

Quote
Fans were heckling Taelor Hendrix on her Friday night booking in San Antonio chanting "Jay Lethal," "ROH" and things a lot worse at her. She lashed back at them. Hendrix claimed she stopped being booked on ROH TV in 2017 when she refused to sleep with Jay Lethal. ROH, as noted yesterday, said it was Hendrix who quit the promotion and was still being booked when she quit. Lethal also responded saying there was nothing to the story and then asked not to use his words to attack himself or his accuser. "There is already too much hate going around in this world, so let's not add to it." He said he was confident the accusations will be proven to be completely unfounded and noted ROH is doing an investigation. Here's the deal, whatever you want to believe, please don't heckle either person involved regarding this situation. It's just hurts it for the fans who want to be entertained.

People are assholes.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on July 09, 2018, 05:14:45 AM
It's weird her social media history went from thanking ROH for the opportunity, to blaming Mandy Leon as being some major political player who held her down while she has only been booked 3 or 4 times so far this year, to blaming Delirious, and now this. I know people can never look at things as a whole in this day and age and any sorta uncomfortable thought becomes victim blaming I guess.

Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: JHawk on July 09, 2018, 05:31:12 AM

Considering Lethal is even saying not to attack Hendrix while denying the allegations, I tend to believe him in this scenario.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on July 09, 2018, 06:36:41 AM
Lethal's response is probably the best I've seen (not that I'm one to tell people how to respond to things!) and I think he is probably telling the truth. That said the reactions have varied from the reasonable (KOAB's) to the gross (people heckling her, using her sexual history against her).
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on July 09, 2018, 07:36:15 AM
The fallout from this could be pretty strange considering everything going on, including details posted in this thread about the weird "fake news" kind of boyfriend she has, how she would blame one person after the next when she left ROH (as well as inversely thanked the company as well?), the rumors about her attitude in other companies and how that led to her departure, etc.

All in all, seems pretty clear she's not being honest here and just wants to piggyback off this Me Too movement in trying to get noticed and some attention. If the only "proof" she has is some guy called Jay in her cell contacts asking a very vague request that could be interpreted a million ways....yeah that isn't really showcasing any proof really by my eyes. Even if that was legitimately his texts, he could have simply been wanting to talk to her about a variety of issues.......perhaps the fact she was over her head in her expectations in the company, or was acting inappropriate in the back with other talent, which seems plausable. I'm not saying Lethal is for sure this innocent saint, but I could see him trying to smooth out issues with other talent who are a part of his push instead of pulling a shit move like she's suggesting. Plus, does Lethal really have any pull in the company like that anyway? Makes no sense why she would think he would have the power to let her go from the company from a sexual proposition gone bad. Plus if she was let go, then why did she make a point to be so gracious upon her exit?

There needs to be and there probably will be major repercussions in the industry if or when the truth comes out on this. If she's totally lying, I could see most of the industry blackballing her like they did Elgin. He got catcalled like crazy too right after his mess and that led to everyone stopping to book him.

Speaking of truth, where and how does Truth Martini fit into all of this? You would think he would speak out on some level since he's kind of in the middle of all this and I've always wondered where he dissapeared to and why.
EDIT - Realized he left ROH almost a year before this shit imploded with Hendrix/ROH. So he probably has no knowledge on WTF happened.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on July 12, 2018, 09:09:17 AM

Quote
For 16 years, Ring of Honor Wrestling has created some of the top stars in professional wrestling, and for nearly 50 years, New Japan Pro-Wrestling has brought Japanese Strong Style to the world. Together, these two companies have delivered world class shows such as “War of the Worlds,” “Strong Style Evolved,” “Global Wars,” “Honor Rising,” and the “G1 Special,” which NJPW has launched as a special kickoff in the United States to their annual “G1 Climax,” known as one of the most elite tournaments in professional wrestling.

ROH and NJPW are proud to announce that on April 6th, 2019, the companies will join forces to present the ultimate wrestling event, “G1 Supercard,” to fans from around the world, LIVE from Madison Square Garden in New York City!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on July 12, 2018, 09:16:40 AM
bah gawddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 12, 2018, 09:30:21 AM
Breaking: WWE signs the entire NJPW and ROH roster
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on July 12, 2018, 09:33:38 AM
Breaking: WWE signs the entire NJPW and ROH roster

Yeah, you can pretty much guarantee they're going to go all out to destroy their rosters. Some big money offers will be sent out.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: New-New-New England Order on July 12, 2018, 10:45:13 AM
This isn't a surprise, but I am surprised WWE didn't do something like book MSG for the Hall of Fame on Friday and Takeover at Barclay's on Saturday to prevent it, though that just seems like a huge waste of money.

Be interesting to see if they try to get a legit full sellout or just open the lower bowls for tickets.  With Takeover at the same time that might be a tough sell.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 12, 2018, 11:14:02 AM
This isn't a surprise, but I am surprised WWE didn't do something like book MSG for the Hall of Fame on Friday and Takeover at Barclay's on Saturday to prevent it, though that just seems like a huge waste of money.

Be interesting to see if they try to get a legit full sellout or just open the lower bowls for tickets.  With Takeover at the same time that might be a tough sell.

They sold 6000 tickets in NO Maina weekend, and Takeover was happening at the same time. There's going to be tons of people in town, like NO. Even if they don't sell it out, or even most until then, they'll get a big rush that day.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on July 12, 2018, 11:28:35 AM
Letting ROH/NJPW pay the expensive MSG rates and then raiding them (they were already going to do that though) is just smart business. WWE won't pay to broadcast from MSG so if ROH/NJPW is going to not only do a show there but maybe even a ppv? that's an assload of money. This also makes it even more likely wwe is going to throw huge offers at most of the top foreign workers in NJPW.

It's a ballsy move by ROH/NJPW but I don't think in the long term challenging WWE when it's going to be more flush with cash than it ever has been in what it sees as it's home territory is the smartest idea. I hope it goes well though.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on July 12, 2018, 11:28:52 AM
It's NYC. They'll sell out.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 12, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
One of the big questions, since this is April of 2019, Kenny and Bucks have their contracts coming up in a few months. Are they going to be there, or will WWE have thrown enough money at them to get them?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on July 12, 2018, 11:55:10 AM
This is quite possibly a tactic by Sinclair to make ROH as much of a annoyance as possible to WWE to get them to buy ROH at as high a price as possible as well.

Even if they sell out I don't know if it will make money if they also make it a ppv because MSG charges so much for broadcasting. and if they don't make it a ppv people will be super pissed. it's going to be interesting to see.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: New-New-New England Order on July 12, 2018, 12:03:54 PM
One of the big questions, since this is April of 2019, Kenny and Bucks have their contracts coming up in a few months. Are they going to be there, or will WWE have thrown enough money at them to get them?

The more I think about it, the more that it's going to take the literal "offer you can't refuse" to get them to make the move.  You can make the case that they are truly the most popular and most well-known non WWE wrestlers in the world right now and that gives them a whole lot of leverage.  They don't seem to view being in WWE as the top of the mountain and that they HAVE to eventually get there to legitimize their careers so if they don't like WWE's offer, they'll be more than content to keep on their current path.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Tino Standard on July 12, 2018, 01:05:00 PM
I wonder if MSG was willing to deal a bit with ROH/NJPW, because it sounds like they were pretty pissed WWE chose to have zero WM weekend events there and had already expressed a willingness to have other promotions run shows. I know there are the union requirements that make doing broadcasts from there so cost prohibitive, but maybe there was wiggle room elsewhere in the negotiations? Would love to know more about how this deal went down.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Thrasher on July 12, 2018, 01:36:10 PM
I don't get why they didn't go to Newark or Long Island instead? It's going to be expensive to rent MSG, plus Vince has to be fuming.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 12, 2018, 01:40:36 PM
Because it's easy to get to. Manhattan Center is right across the street, and they've run there for year. Everything that weekend for the indies is going to be in the city.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Hawk 34 on July 12, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
It’s also a statement.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Gert on July 12, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
This is quite possibly a tactic by Sinclair to make ROH as much of a annoyance as possible to WWE to get them to buy ROH at as high a price as possible as well.

Even if they sell out I don't know if it will make money if they also make it a ppv because MSG charges so much for broadcasting. and if they don't make it a ppv people will be super pissed. it's going to be interesting to see.

This is a good point and one that Cornette brought up lately. ROH itself can get kicked around by WWE's money, but Sinclair has plenty of money to do this.

Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: ViciousFish on July 12, 2018, 03:00:36 PM
Sinclair vs McMahon would be hilarious
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 12, 2018, 11:56:59 PM
I think Sinclair got pissed and opened up the wallet to make this happen. Plus who knows what wizard magic Harold Meij worked. The dude seems pretty sharp and successful.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on July 13, 2018, 01:59:28 AM
I think Sinclair got pissed and opened up the wallet to make this happen. Plus who knows what wizard magic Harold Meij worked. The dude seems pretty sharp and successful.

Exactly. Sinclair "lawyered up" like a mofo after the word was that WWE shut the idea down. It will be interesting to hear the details but my thought is that WWE finally got countered with a legal team that actually called them out on the hypocrisy of shutting one company down while still technically letting another one go ahead with a show even though it clearly won't likely happen (AAA). There would be legal means to contest that sort of decision.

There may be something to that with New Japan being added into this, maybe there was a legal ground that WWE couldnt fight an international non-US wrestling company really (this would make sense since as I said, AAA was being allowed to do a future show if they wanted in MSG). Perhaps NJPW is going to take many of the rental costs, etc. Who knows.

As far as broadcasting goes, it will be interesting to see how using streaming services (Honor Club and NJWorld) to broadcast it will skirt around the high costs MSG charges for broadcasting events there. Keep in mind the last televised event WWE did do there at MSG was in fact a Network special, so they may have gotten away with it that way.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on July 13, 2018, 06:40:10 AM
I wonder which one of WWE or Sinclair is the first to try and get President Trump involved in their feud. 2018, people!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on July 13, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
Sinclair wants WWE to buy ROH, they've been in talks before but haven't been able to agree on a number.

edit: They might get around some of the union stuff by streaming actually looking into it.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 16, 2018, 06:24:51 AM
Per BTE Jericho and the Young Bucks will wrestle Kenny, Marty and Cody on the Jericho Cruise.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 16, 2018, 07:32:09 AM
That's interesting since it was announced that Marty is wrestling Sami Callihan.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on July 16, 2018, 07:47:50 AM
That's interesting since it was announced that Marty is wrestling Sami Callihan.

My guess is that they are going to be doing many matches over the course of how many days? Considering that tournament too....I could see that split into at least two seperate events as well.

What's majorly intruiging about the Calihan/Marty match is the Impact vs ROH implications, and considering certain Impact management and broadcast talent are involved in All In, we really are getting close to a full on Impact vs ROH feud. Also add in that Madison Rayne is working Impact and ROH Women's title matches seperately this weekend (and if she conceivably wins the ROH one on Saturday, you theoretically could have ROH champ vs Impact champ on Sunday at the Impact ppv) things might be heating up soon on this front.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 16, 2018, 10:09:09 AM
That's interesting since it was announced that Marty is wrestling Sami Callihan.

My guess is that they are going to be doing many matches over the course of how many days? Considering that tournament too....I could see that split into at least two seperate events as well.



You know, that's a big ol' duh to me. I didn't even think about that at all.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 20, 2018, 12:49:32 PM
I ended up getting Honor Club. It's good to stream these shows because they're so much more fun than ROH TV. .

Trent Baretta returned to save Colt Cabana and Chuckie T from a beatdown by Bully Ray.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 20, 2018, 01:08:05 PM
I ended up getting Honor Club. It's good to stream these shows because they're so much more fun than ROH TV. .

Trent Baretta returned to save Colt Cabana and Chuckie T from a beatdown by Bully Ray.

The rest of the show has been eh at best. I don't care about Punishment, but I'm a huge Scorpio fan. I knew he wasn't winning, and Punishment was Punishment. The WOH match I skipped. I can't stand the division. They haven't done much to make me care about anyone in it. The 8 man tag was whatever. The 4 way wasn't bad. And I don't care about the Kingdom, but Marty is always fun.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 20, 2018, 01:30:19 PM
I enjoy the Kingdoms antics.

But I agree on the eh part. I usually have more fun with these. I stand by my statement that these are generally more entertaining than the TV show though.

Also I loved the finish of that 4way and it was nice to see Gresham win but it was totally telegraphed when Ian talked about the great matches he had had and Cabana pointed out he hadn't wanted any of them though. I was still a little surprised to see him choke out the big man though.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 20, 2018, 02:08:53 PM
I am so over everything having to do with Bully Ray. The retire, un-retire, now he's the angry old man and Joe is acting like there's nothing he can do (except maybe fire him, duh). Just go away already. He brings nothing to the table.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 20, 2018, 02:13:42 PM
Also why didn't Cody come back and whip his ass? They just keep having him beat up new and small guys and acting like he's on a reign of terror but someone like Cody or Jay Lethal haven't walked out and punched him yet.

Reminds me of Miz/R-Truth's reign of terror where they ran in once or twice and suddenly the whole roster quit because HHH couldn't protect them from these two sudden monsters m
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 20, 2018, 02:21:44 PM
Yeah, I was waiting for Cody to come out to chase Bully off and then hand Flip an All In shirt.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on July 20, 2018, 02:31:23 PM
I did really enjoy those last two matches. I haven't seen much Aldis but he has a definite presence about him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on July 26, 2018, 07:38:25 AM
I watch some Boston sports stuff on NESN but for some reason I never connected that I have access to watch NESN all the time and see ROH stuff on there.  I was changing shows last night when I came across the Gresham-KUSHIDA match so I set up recording the NESN ROH airings going forward.  We will see.  I only really caught the end of that match and the Marty promo on Hurricane last night.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on July 26, 2018, 02:22:33 PM
It gets preempted. A lot. I had a DVR schedule for it and only half an episode was ever recorded.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on July 26, 2018, 02:35:20 PM
That's probably fine enough for me.  I am already DVRing every other promotion I see and not getting around to paying full attention to any of them but at least I will have some of it if something good pops up.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on July 27, 2018, 05:11:52 AM
It's pretty solidly recording for me days before the weekend on Weds night into Thursday (I think midnight central) on a back to back block with Championship Wrestling from Hollywood. It's pretty consistent every week now. Nice part is it airs 3-4 days before the rest of the country on NESN.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on July 31, 2018, 12:22:14 PM
Joey Matthews/Mercury has been hired as both a trainer and producer for the company
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 03, 2018, 11:39:35 AM
Got my code for purchasing tickets next Wednesday for the MSG show. Tickets will range from $30-$300. I'm going to try to get about $100-$150 tickets. I'm guessing the $300 are VIP.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on August 03, 2018, 11:01:43 PM
I got my code too. We took two major wrestling trips this year though and finances might not allow it. ://
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 08, 2018, 01:12:52 AM
Just bought my tickets to the ROH/NJPW MSG show. I'm so stoked!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on August 08, 2018, 02:43:40 AM
I have my code but I'm still turning it over in my head.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 08, 2018, 08:05:39 AM
According to Joe Koff, 60% of the tickets have been sold as of today's pre-sale. That's kind of a huge deal.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on August 08, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
I'm out guys. I took two vacations this year and just really can't afford to make it to New York City. I'll be watching on Honor Club though.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: JHawk on August 08, 2018, 12:45:48 PM
Bought mine this morning. Really questioning my decision but it will be my first trip to the Garden
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 09, 2018, 03:23:42 AM
Bought mine this morning. Really questioning my decision but it will be my first trip to the Garden

I'm not so much excited about this as an ROH show as I am about seeing the NJPW guys live. That's what really got me.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 10, 2018, 01:37:26 AM
The show is a sellout. ROH and NJPW just sold out the Garden, over 19,000 seats, in 2018. WWE hasn't sold out the Garden in 3 years (or it was 1 time in 3 years, I don't remember which one it was).
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on August 10, 2018, 01:51:55 AM
2018 is weird.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on August 10, 2018, 02:41:36 AM
lol I completely forgot about this. I looked at the tickets during the presale yesterday and there were shitty cuck seats available for $81 so I can only imagine how much it would have cost to actually see the ring. I’ll regret missing Meltzer’s “greatest match ever on American soil” but oh well. Maybe I’ll go to NXT as I’m sure WWE will put out all the stops to top the MSG show.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 10, 2018, 03:19:28 AM
lol I completely forgot about this. I looked at the tickets during the presale yesterday and there were shitty cuck seats available for $81 so I can only imagine how much it would have cost to actually see the ring. I’ll regret missing Meltzer’s “greatest match ever on American soil” but oh well. Maybe I’ll go to NXT as I’m sure WWE will put out all the stops to top the MSG show.

It's obviously only rumors, but I've read that Vince was going after a lot of big names to load up the NXT show. He's going to use Riddle, Keith Lee, Undisputed Era, and anyone he can "steal" from ROH and NJPW to try to beat the show. Unfortunately for that idea, fans have shown that they'll sell out the arena based on the ROH and NJPW name as no card has even been thought of yet.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Super Leather on August 11, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
My buddy and I were going to try to get tickets and fly in for the show, but it sold out before we could get it together. We still want to go to New York anyway, so we're going to try for the NXT show instead and see what kind of other rassling nerd type shit we can get into. With that in mind, I'd like to put out the call for a Real TSM face-to-face meetup and smoking sesh at some point over the weekend. I've never been to New York before and I'd love to talk wrestling and bullshit with whoever is going to be in town for the festivities. This will be more motivation for me to work hard and save up a bunch of money to make this trip happen.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 11, 2018, 11:58:44 PM
My buddy and I were going to try to get tickets and fly in for the show, but it sold out before we could get it together. We still want to go to New York anyway, so we're going to try for the NXT show instead and see what kind of other rassling nerd type shit we can get into. With that in mind, I'd like to put out the call for a Real TSM face-to-face meetup and smoking sesh at some point over the weekend. I've never been to New York before and I'd love to talk wrestling and bullshit with whoever is going to be in town for the festivities. This will be more motivation for me to work hard and save up a bunch of money to make this trip happen.

I live in NY (Queens) and work across the street from MSG, so I'd be down once I figure out what else there will be that weekend. I'd love to see the meet and greets at the Javits Center since it's close by. And I'm very interested to see who takes the Hammerstein since ROH won't be there.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on August 29, 2018, 02:55:00 PM
Tanahashi is going to be at the Vegas TV takings at the end of September.  Also announced was Sabin vs Martinez for the TV title but a Tanahashi appearance makes me curious about what the tickets are like.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on August 30, 2018, 02:50:58 AM
You can't put a price tag on the opportunity to see Tanahashi's hair up close IMO.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Damaramu on August 30, 2018, 02:52:19 AM
You can't put a price tag on the opportunity to see Tanahashi's hair up close IMO.

For the longest time after New Orleans when I'd mention Tanahashi my wife would either ask "Go Ace?" or "The guy with the hair?" It changes you man.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on September 14, 2018, 04:45:10 AM
I fast forwarded through a chunk of the recent show but I very much enjoyed the Bully Ray/Jonathan Gresham segment
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 14, 2018, 11:05:21 AM
I fast forwarded through a chunk of the recent show but I very much enjoyed the Bully Ray/Jonathan Gresham segment

I haven't liked the Bully story all that much, but that segment was great. Gresham vs Lethal last week was a really good match, too. I'm happy to see him finally getting a push, as he's a fantastic wrestler.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on September 28, 2018, 01:11:52 PM
Watching this year's Death Before Dishonor now. Not a bad show so far. Kenny King beat Jushin Liger in the opener and both SCU/Briscoes and Dashwood/Sukai have been very good.

Ah fuck, Punishment Martinez is up next. I'm only looking forward to this match because I want Sabin to get his due as a singles competitor. I hope he walks out TV champ.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on September 28, 2018, 01:21:26 PM
Punishment won. Urge to kill: rising.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 28, 2018, 01:24:28 PM
It's been a solid show so far, but nothing really surprising outside of Cobb coming out to confront Martinez after the TV Title match.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on September 28, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
So I am guessing Martinez went over to set up dropping to Cobb.  I figured Sabin would've taken the belt but maybe that was altered when Cobb came on board.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 28, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
One of the big issues is that ROH tapes too far in advance. Next week's show has Punishment putting the TV title on the line against Aaron Solow. He had to win to keep that up.

The tag team table elimination match had a ref bump. That's 3 matches on the card with a ref bump. That's overbooking.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on September 28, 2018, 01:47:02 PM
Can't wait for the Bully Ray/Ian Riccoboni feud!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 28, 2018, 01:50:26 PM
I'm wondering if Tenille Dashwood was attacked to write her off. She seemed to have a legit shoulder injury.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 28, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
This 10 man tag has been great. So much fun. And Aldis has been fantastic on commentary.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on September 28, 2018, 09:40:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoOmt49VYAA22b3.jpg)
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Medium, A Happy on September 29, 2018, 12:14:26 PM
To be fair, Beer City Bruiser is the dark match.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on September 29, 2018, 01:22:48 PM
it was empty all night:

(https://i.imgur.com/m1ukcmc.jpg)

They tried to run a real arena in Vegas and couldn't come close to filling it. They're claiming 4k from what I've seen,  but I don't think it was near that much (although that might be for both nights which might be closer). I don't blame them for trying considering how hot indie wrestling is but ROH itself doesn't seem to be that big a draw. The ROH matches with no NJPW/BC talent looked super lame/done to death. Briscoes Vs Daniels/Kazarian for the 6 millionth time. Bully Ray in a tables match.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 29, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
Spoiler: show
Jeff Cobb squashed Punishment Martinez to win the TV Title at the TV taping tonight.

I guess this is the end for Punishment in ROH? Not sure where he ends up. I'm guessing Lucha Underground? Or retirement?

My reaction to Punishment Martinez is the same as when I first saw him on NWA On Fire (RIP) like five years ago. You see him and watch a minute or two of his match and are like "Woah! This guy is big and agile! How is he not in WWE!?" then you see more of his match and are like "This guy kind of sucks! Still kind surprised he's not in WWE!"


It was way overambitious for ROH to run a 10,000 seat arena two nights in a row. Really one night in a row is probably too much. That MSG show fooled them. I doubt ROH could sell out a 3,000 seat venue two nights in a row, anywhere outside of NYC or Chicago.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on September 29, 2018, 05:08:01 PM
Lirl
Spoiler: show
Punishment Martinez
is going to WWE.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on September 30, 2018, 07:12:12 AM
I'll laugh when Vinny Marseglia gets an offer, but I'll be pleased if Taven or TK get one. They're solid guys who can make what they're given work, but Marseglia is blander than Orton.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on September 30, 2018, 08:35:47 AM
Is Marseglia the one with the Michael Myers knee pads? If so, I don't think he's terrible.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 30, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
I think Laz put it best when he said that Marseglia combines least interesting qualities of Broken Matt Hardy with least interesting qualities of Randy Orton.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on October 12, 2018, 04:36:35 AM
https://www.pwinsider.com/article/120911/new-wwe-signing-confirmed.html?p=1

Punishment Martinez's WWE signing is now confirmed. Don't know why they'd want him and not any of the other great talents they have but maybe this is a warning shot. Oh well, no huge blow to the company.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 12, 2018, 05:51:39 AM
what great talents does ROH have that aren't signed/working for NJPW? Like I'm legit curious, not trying to throw shade.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on October 12, 2018, 05:58:32 AM
The Briscoes, SCU, Best Friends, Sabin, and Castle just to name a few.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 12, 2018, 06:08:19 AM
Almost all of those guys tour for NJPW epic.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on October 12, 2018, 06:12:59 AM
They're considered ROH guys first (well not Beretta) and aren't mainstays in NJPW. When was the last time Briscoes worked a show there? Sabin and SCU do shots when they come to the US but no one thinks of those guys as New Japan guys the way the Bullet Club are. Castle, I don't think has ever worked a show there other than the ROH joint ones.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on October 12, 2018, 06:14:15 AM
Sabin was just in BOSJ and is in the jr tag league. SCU will probably be in tag league.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 12, 2018, 06:49:21 AM
Yeah, Sabin tours there several times a year, as does Chuck Taylor. Barreta is there more often than he isn't. That's why I said guys who are signed or work for them.

Also I think that pretty much answers why WWE signed who they did. The only guy on that list worth signing is Dalton Castle. Barretta maybe but he's probably doing well enough as it is. Briscoes peaked a decade ago and have all the homophobic shit in their past that make them unusable for wwe. Daniels has sadly seen his ship sail. Chuck Taylor is a goof, Sabin gets injured so much I don't know if he could even pass a physical.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on October 12, 2018, 10:06:13 AM
Kaz and Daniels are signed with ROH, they only tour with NJ due to their working relationship afaik. Isn't Sky a full on freelancer and also working for NJs LA dojo?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on October 12, 2018, 10:13:41 AM
There's Dalton, who's injured, Jay Lethal, The Kingdom, Shane Taylor, Flip Gordon (who has done an NJPW show here and there), Coast to Coast, and Kenny King.

Fuck, if NJPW ever pulled their guys, and the BC guys ever leave then ROH really is fucked. WWE is blasted for not creating guys, but ROH hasn't done a good job either.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 12, 2018, 12:17:32 PM
Yeah a lot of those guys have done NJPW and it hasn't really clicked. Jay's worked in NJPW and just never got over tbh. Matt Taven worked in NJPW with Mike and Maria for a number of tours but also didn't catch on. The tv deal ROH has is one of the biggest reasons NJPW has for working with them.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on October 13, 2018, 03:19:12 AM
Fuck, if NJPW ever pulled their guys, and the BC guys ever leave then ROH really is fucked. WWE is blasted for not creating guys, but ROH hasn't done a good job either.
I think that's the real legacy of Corny's run as booker. Every star he tried to make was drastically different from what the fans wanted and the kinds of talent that would've made a big splash under Gabe (or even Pearce) instead focused on PWG, CZW, Evolve, and other indies. By the time Delirious started finding his groove, whatever it is, the talents worth watching went elsewhere, leaving ROH with a much more limited pool than even 5 years prior.

Then comes NXT. Then comes the UK resurgence. Canadian indies like IWS, C4, and SMASH started gaining traction. Delirious isn't even as good as Pearce, and Pearce wasn't as good as Gabe. It's just been bad move after bad move ever since Corny put the belt on Davey a year after he should've.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on October 13, 2018, 03:47:40 AM
Yeah, ROH hasn't done a good job of creating new stars since the NJPW agreement. It's made for some really good matches but not much in terms of storylines. It's pretty clear they rely on them too much to draw houses.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on November 01, 2018, 03:42:16 PM
I didn't know how to feel when Sandman gets revealed as Flip's guy and they are showing Sandman standing directly behind some people on their smart phones seemingly unaware Sandman is directly behind them.

Then the weird Camping Website commercial from the Briscoes.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 03, 2018, 01:04:41 AM
I didn't know how to feel when Sandman gets revealed as Flip's guy and they are showing Sandman standing directly behind some people on their smart phones seemingly unaware Sandman is directly behind them.

Then the weird Camping Website commercial from the Briscoes.

I groaned and then laughed at the reveal. It won't happen, but ROH needs someone new, and better, running their shows. It was anti-climatic and sad.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on November 03, 2018, 12:00:52 PM
man, i remember when ROH was a good company that wouldnt have done something lame like that. Or the stuff like Bully Ray Vs an announcer. The booking and the lack of creating new stars is a huge issue.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on November 03, 2018, 03:56:06 PM
It was just announced that Zack Sabre Jr. will debut for ROH at Final Battle next month.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on November 08, 2018, 04:55:58 AM
Went to the ROH/NJPW Global Wars in Lewiston last night. I think it was my third Global Wars show and it was definitely the least memorable. Had a very house show vibe. Also the only Japanese wrestlers were the LIJ guys who didn't show up until the main event.

Also it's still baffling af to me that ROH decided to run in a 4,000 seat junior hockey rink in Maine. Attendance was better than I expected but definitely not good. They cut off a third of the seating with the set and it was probably like half full. So like 1500ish people? Ticket pricing was fucked. It was general admission for $40. I feel like they could have made more money if they charged more for the good seats and had some cheap seats. It was cool af to sit in fourth row at a show like this though.

Results
Ryan Nova beat TSM favorite "Retrosexual" Anthony Greene in a dark match.

Flip Gordon over Eli Isom (With Cheeseburger & Ryan Nova)

Frankie Kazarian and Scorpio Sky defeated The Bouncers

Jeff Cobb beat Cheeseburger (in a non-title match I assume?) This was example of dumb ROH booking. They booked this as a semi-competitive match when it could've and should've been a super fun squash.

The Kingdom defeated Dalton Castle & The Boys in a ROH Six Man Tag Team Titles Match. I thought original kingdom was biggest group of boring ass white dudes* but Matt Taven somehow found two even more generic white guys (except one guy is trying way too hard to be CA-RAZY!)

*Also yes, I know Adam Cole is actually good now.

The Briscoe Brothers beat Cody! and Hangman Page (With the lovely Brandi Rhodes). During this match, the first of two blackouts happened and it was a total blackout. It was funny to see Mark and Jay try and cut a heel promo on the lighting technician. This is 2nd of 3 matches with deflating heel wins.

Juice Robinson over Christopher Daniels. I think ROH thinks Juice is a much bigger deal in Japan than he actually is? Most of the crowd reaction was like "Oh. The hippie guy from NXT a few years ago. Alright."

Bully Ray & Silas Young defeat The Young Bucks. Again. I don't really get the result here tbh. But as much as I'm apathetic about Bully Ray's loudmouth MAGA chud gimmick, it is fun live and he got the crowd riled up. It was also weirdly fun to see The Bucks work a less is more, house show pace. They had 2nd blackout during this match. ROH/NJPW: Beware of the Dog.

LIJ (Naito, EVIL, Sanada, and Bushi) beat Jay Lethal, Kushida, Chris Sabin, and Jonathan Gresham.

I feel maybe I'm being too harsh on it since most of the people who were there had a blast and to be fair, this show WAS really good by Maine wrestling show standards but yeah, definitely lot of parts that could've been easily improved. Like Kenny Omega is in the States this weekend, where the hell is he on these cards? Even ROH guys like Marty Scurll and Best Friends would've been dope.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on November 08, 2018, 05:34:00 AM
The Kingdom defeated Dalton Castle & The Boys in a ROH Six Man Tag Team Titles Match. I thought original kingdom was biggest group of boring ass white dudes* but Matt Taven somehow found two even more generic white guys (except one guy is trying way too hard to be CA-RAZY!)
Leave it to ROH to take a promising young heel like TK O'Ryan, who had a ton of Roddy Piper vibe very early on in his career, and turn him into blandness. Vinny Marseglia (the CA-RAZY! one) is shit, but at least he's not still doing his "Italian Randy Orton" schtick anymore. Taven...has his moments.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 08, 2018, 05:51:22 AM
Regarding Juice, he actually is one of the most over guys in NJPW. The fans love him, but I can see why he wouldn't get much of a reaction with fans that might not know him

No one from Bullet Club/Elite will be getting put over much as it's contract season and they aren't sure they'll even be in ROH in a few months. They aren't going to put the effort into putting them over if they're going to leave.


Ryan Nova beat TSM favorite "Retrosexual" Anthony Greene in a dark match.


Ugh, I'm sure you know my reaction knowing that AG took the loss here. At least he was doing his Retrosexual gimmick and had the Hunnies with him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on November 08, 2018, 08:30:05 AM
There were a lot of Limitless Wrestling fans in the house so AG actually probably got a pretty decent sized pop and the crowd treated him like the babyface even though he was playing heel. I really didn't see the need for him to do the job since Ryan Nova never wins on TV but I guess it's cause Ryan Nova works there and AG doesn't.

I kind of like Matt Taven but he's like the current day equivalent of Jeff Jarrett (or I guess Jay Lethal a few years back in ROH). Great heel to have in your mid-card but you kind of know you're in trouble if he's being pushed as a main eventer.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on November 08, 2018, 09:51:00 AM
Juice is for sure over in Japan and a really really good worker. I'd rate him as better than any of the Bullet Club guys except for Omega, and he's a fantastic promo.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 08, 2018, 11:01:54 AM
Juice is for sure over in Japan and a really really good worker. I'd rate him as better than any of the Bullet Club guys except for Omega, and he's a fantastic promo.

I agree with this, but I've become a huge Juice mark over the past year and a half. His promos are some of the best around.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on November 08, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
Probably not the right thread to talk about Juice but I've wanted to for a while.  I dig Juice and hope he stays out of WWE.  As much as he's proven himself, I don't see him making a "raise his value" comeback like guys like McIntyre.  As much as he's proven himself, I can't see him getting a shot in WWE beyond where he was before and think he's best on the outside.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 09, 2018, 12:38:30 AM
Probably not the right thread to talk about Juice but I've wanted to for a while.  I dig Juice and hope he stays out of WWE.  As much as he's proven himself, I don't see him making a "raise his value" comeback like guys like McIntyre.  As much as he's proven himself, I can't see him getting a shot in WWE beyond where he was before and think he's best on the outside.

There were rumors a few months back about WWE being interested in Juice. I agree with you. It's different with someone like Drew and him. He wasn't on main roster TV at the time of his release, so fans wouldn't know him. He'd have to go to NXT, and while there is a ton of talent there, I can't see him being ok with that over staying in Japan and working in front of the fans there.

I just think it's amazing that someone like Juice, with not as big of name as others, went from NXT reject to one of the most over guys in Japan. I think the fact that he went to NJPW and asked them to be a Young Lion, even though he was already a trained wrestler, showed that he respected them and was willing to eat shit before making it again.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: HSJ on November 15, 2018, 10:44:19 AM
I’m watching ROH TV and can someone tell me who is Shane Taylor and how is he in this company?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on November 15, 2018, 10:49:41 AM
He was in a tag team with Keith Lee years ago but Lee knew he'd be a big singles star so he broke off on his own and left Taylor hanging. ROH still books him probably because they want their own Keith Lee. Yeah, he's pretty bad.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on November 15, 2018, 03:12:11 PM
I feel like ROH lowballing Keith Lee and thinking Shane Taylor was acceptable substitute was one of the worst decisions they've made in past few years.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on November 21, 2018, 12:29:21 AM
http://heelbynature.com/2018/11/21/roh-star-silas-young-could-be-wwe-bound-when-his-contract-expires-next-month/

WWE want Silas Young. I was never a fan so they can have him. Good gimmick but bland as fuck in the ring.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on November 22, 2018, 02:42:14 AM
I haven't seen a ton of Silas but I've heard Randy Orton comparisons when it comes to in-ring so...
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on November 23, 2018, 03:13:18 AM
He's an alright, meat and potatoes worker but I get the sense that if he signed to WWE, he'd be wrestling No Way Jose on Main Event in like 6 weeks.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 23, 2018, 11:46:51 PM
They still don't have one for Fire Stick, but there is an ROH app for Roku. I didn't try it out too much, but after going through it for a couple of minutes, it's very easy to get around.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: JHawk on November 24, 2018, 12:09:48 AM
The only remotely interesting thing about Silas Young possibly joining WWE is it could be an excuse to bring this theme back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NOzIVWefgo
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on November 24, 2018, 01:01:57 AM
Oh man.  Silas Young coming in and bringing back Regal’s original gimmick has me wanting him to debut by winning the US Title
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on November 30, 2018, 03:00:22 AM
Per Meltzer, Silas Young just signed a 3-year deal so he's staying in ROH for now.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on November 30, 2018, 08:38:35 AM
Damn WWE just did what I'd do in EWR, where I'd make fake bids on dudes I didn't really want to drive their contract prices up hoping the other guys would re-sign them for even more and weigh them down with a lot of high priced junk. When it worked it was great, when it didn't I'd end up with a unsackable maxed out Randy Orton.


They probably actually did want Silas as he fits a lot of what WWE looks for but at the end of the day I don't think this is going to be seen as a big loss. ROH probably had to offer him a good pay raise which leaves that much less for them to use for other talent and I don't think any WWE fans were really dying to see Silas on Raw or SD. It's also good for the business whenever there's some guys who choose to do their own thing.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 30, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
Maybe ROH already knows that the Elite guys aren't coming back, so they're spending that money already.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 01, 2018, 03:42:37 AM
PCO has signed with ROH (http://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/pco-signs-roh/#.XALHNrlOmf2)
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on December 01, 2018, 05:09:35 AM
Good for him. Don't know how many dudes on the roster can work around his limitations but his comeback over the last year has been really inspiring and I'm glad he got his due.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 01, 2018, 08:32:21 AM
Brody King signed with them as well. That's one move I love. King is awesome.  (https://www.f4wonline.com/ring-honor/brody-king-signs-ring-honor-271416?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 01, 2018, 10:33:56 AM
Maybe ROH already knows that the Elite guys aren't coming back, so they're spending that money already.

I don't think they expect most of those guys back so you're probably right. It's going to hurt their business a lot to lose them and they'll have to get NJPW to send them talent even more which I don't know if they'll do because it's got to be hard on their guys to travel that much.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on December 15, 2018, 08:19:06 AM
I'm almost done watching this year's Final Battle. I probably enjoyed the Flip Gordon/Bully Ray "I Quit" match more than I should have. It was overbooked to infinity but it was just so entertaining. I really enjoyed Page/Cobb as well.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 15, 2018, 09:05:59 AM
I'm almost done watching this year's Final Battle. I probably enjoyed the Flip Gordon/Bully Ray "I Quit" match more than I should have. It was overbooked to infinity but it was just so entertaining. I really enjoyed Page/Cobb as well.

It was a very entertaining garbage match. It should have happened about 6 months ago, but it was really fun.

Cobb/Page was great. ZSJ vs Gresham was fantastic, my favorite style of match. Ladder War was very good, and Scorpio looked like a star.

I didn't see the Kenny King match, but he doesn't do much to me, and the Women of Honor match was not good, that division isn't very good, but otherwise it was a very good show.

Also, Mark Haskins signed with ROH. That's a very good get for them. This and Brody King were very good signings. Using that Elite money well.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on December 16, 2018, 03:56:29 AM
I was disappointed with Cody/Lethal. Cody's cartoonish heeling was funny, though. Ladder War was ok but there have been better ones in the promotion's history. I'd say an overall solid event.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 16, 2018, 11:01:03 AM
PCO, Brody King, Mark Haskins, and now, apparently, ROH has signed Bandido. Using that Elite money in a great way.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on December 16, 2018, 12:33:41 PM
So Marty Scurll's new stable/defacto Elite Replacement is
Spoiler: show
him, PCO, and Brody King.


Spoiler: show
It definitely seems like ROH is thinking "Well, The Elite are popular on the internet and these guys are PRETTY popular on the internet so it makes sense!" but idk. I love all three guys but them collectively? Feels like mixing peanut butter with lox and hot sauce (condiment not wrestler)



Also
Spoiler: show
Last night's tapings ended with Bully Ray, The Briscoe Brothers, Silas Young, and Not Keith Lee beating down The Elite and a bunch of other faces. I'm gonna probably laugh cry if ROH's idea for a big angle in 2019 is that stable of MAGA Chuds (with Not Keith Lee as the Sheriff David Clarke) running roughshod over everyone. Although considering ROH is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting, I guess it's good those guys aren't the babyfaces?
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on December 16, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
The first part of those spoilers sounds good. The second part? UGHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on December 17, 2018, 02:14:16 AM
Meltzer mentioned that Zack Sabre Jr. and Juice Robinson are going to be ROH regulars. What is the status of their relationship with New Japan? They haven't been bringing in nearly as many of their stars lately so I'm wondering if the Elite bailing confirms that it's fizzled out? They can still use their stars, sure, but are they going to be forced to *gasp* create their own talent now?
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 05, 2019, 08:42:51 AM
Watching the show that aired this week on my DVR now.  Didn't realize this was taped recent enough for Taven to take the shot at Marty about all his friends going to Jacksonville.

I'm on the Jeff Cobb/Luchasaurus match.  I don't know why but I kinda dig Luchasaurus.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 07, 2019, 07:53:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwUK7HGWkAEH-ti.jpg:large)
Watch ROH have Silas Young and Bully Ray win the revived Crockett Cup.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 13, 2019, 01:09:17 AM
Another new faction debuted at the tapings and it is also... interesting...

Spoiler: show
Lifeblood appears to be led by Juice Robinson and also features Tenilla Dashwood, Mark Haskins, David Finlay, Tracy Williams and Bandido
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 13, 2019, 04:57:37 AM
Super random group of people there but I like the ones I'm familiar with on their own.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 13, 2019, 09:22:57 AM
That seems like a good faction. Honestly, just from reading the spoilers, I like the direction that ROH is heading in 2019. They can't replace the Elite personality/charisma wise (and I think it's inevitable that they experience a massive decline in popularity this year no matter what they do) but they can get guys who can match if not better them workrate wise. Seems like they're sticking with what brought them to the dance. Having the best technical workers out there just do their thing unobstructed by dumb overproduced television. ROH will be OK in the long term.
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Post by: RedJed on January 14, 2019, 04:47:15 AM
That seems like a good faction. Honestly, just from reading the spoilers, I like the direction that ROH is heading in 2019. They can't replace the Elite personality/charisma wise (and I think it's inevitable that they experience a massive decline in popularity this year no matter what they do) but they can get guys who can match if not better them workrate wise. Seems like they're sticking with what brought them to the dance. Having the best technical workers out there just do their thing unobstructed by dumb overproduced television. ROH will be OK in the long term.

Agreed. The creative seems a bit different (Kevin Eck is now on board to assist in creative) and faction wars based lately too, making me wonder if that will play into the MSG show with warring factions in multi-man tags there? As now you have two kind of significant 5 man squads (the other one w/ Bully Ray, Briscoes, Young and Taylor may or may not be a permanent one) and then Villian Enterprises as well to combat the Kingdom too.

I ended up watching Honor Reigns Supreme last night on Honor Club and it felt like a new chapter starting with ROH with damn near half of the roster being newbies who are doing their first quazi-ROH house show. The work across the board was solid enough, and the upper half of the card got a bit into ECW territory with a stiffer women's street fight than I imagined, and a really wild 6 man with PCO taking one of the scariest spots I've seen since Osperay/Scurll with the head knock on the apron. Silas tried a destroyer on the apron and completely botched it, and PCO landed really fucked up (pretty much head first grading the side of the apron). I would not be shocked if he got concussed badly, but he kept working and the fans went nuts for him. Main was pretty basic stuff, and I think Dalton Castle needs to move on from the world title chase at this point.

Bandito/PJ Black was probably match of the night.

The attendance was noticably low last night, not boding well for the future but I think we all expected a dip. That dip was already going on before the Elite guys left, so they should consider some sort of strategy to get asses back in the seats with this new blood coming in.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 14, 2019, 06:39:23 AM
Dalton Castle seems really banged up and his popularity took a hit with his mediocre ROH World Title run. They were stuck in a rock and a hard place with him cause he seemed way too over to just be a comedy dude but you can't really stick a comedy dude in the main event either. And I think Dalton Castle in serious mode is TV Title level at best.

I am curious to see who ROH tried to build around this year. Jay Lethal is a solid worker and promo but he's really nothing to get excited about. Especially in 2019. Personally, I'd love to see them strap the rocket around Zack Sabre Jr but I also see him kind of having limited appeal to the casual fans/BTE leftovers. I went to an EVOLVE show with some non fans and they did not get what the big deal was about ZSJ's grappling skills.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 14, 2019, 06:46:34 AM
On their current roster, I think Jeff Cobb will be world champ sooner than later. They seem to want to push him to the moon following his BOLA win and he's signed with them so no risk of going to AEW. I have a feeling they may put it on Matt Taven though which will be like giving Justin Credible the ECW title.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on January 14, 2019, 09:18:29 AM
On their current roster, I think Jeff Cobb will be world champ sooner than later. They seem to want to push him to the moon following his BOLA win and he's signed with them so no risk of going to AEW. I have a feeling they may put it on Matt Taven though which will be like giving Justin Credible the ECW title.

It feels like they are heading to Lethal vs Taven for the MSG show, with Taven getting the strap, and I hate everything about that.
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Post by: RedJed on January 14, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
On their current roster, I think Jeff Cobb will be world champ sooner than later. They seem to want to push him to the moon following his BOLA win and he's signed with them so no risk of going to AEW. I have a feeling they may put it on Matt Taven though which will be like giving Justin Credible the ECW title.

It feels like they are heading to Lethal vs Taven for the MSG show, with Taven getting the strap, and I hate everything about that.

I sure hope not as that definitely is not MSG worthy at all. I could see them actually doing that for the anniversary pay-per-view in March as nothing else much as on the radar that I can see although they were teasing Aldis vs Lethal a bit on the show last night. But that could be for Crockett Cup in April too since that's a cobranded event.

The only direction I could see making sense for the Madison Square Garden show at this stage would maybe be Scurll vs Lethal. Lethal is about to break some ROH records for holding the title so I'd say anytime after that they should flip the title to somebody else and he's really the only guy that's makes any sense right now to put it on

Otherwise I could just see them do Tanahashi vs Lethal.... maybe not necessarily title against title but some sort of bragging rights type of match.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 14, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
I'm hoping/guessing that they'll get Lethal Vs Taven out of the way at the 17th Anniversary Show in Vegas.  I don't *think* ROH would dumb enough to close out Supercard of Honor with that. If they thought people were apathetic about Dalton Castle Vs Marty Scurll main eventing last year...

Remember MSG is as much if not more of an NJPW show than ROH. I'm guessing one of their matches closes out the show.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 15, 2019, 06:10:48 AM
Chris Sabin tore his ACL and will be out for awhile. Flip Gordon sprained his ankle and will miss a few weeks.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 15, 2019, 09:27:37 AM
CMLL star Rush signed an exclusive contract with ROH. Verrrry interesting.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on January 15, 2019, 11:01:19 PM
CMLL star Rush signed an exclusive contract with ROH. Verrrry interesting.

This fucks MLW's big Mania main event of LA Park vs Rush. I'm wondering if this is a way for ROH to try to keep NJPW around around after MSG as he's part of CMLL that works with NJPW.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 16, 2019, 01:00:30 AM
Everything they've done so far in 2019 seems like them getting on their knees and pleading with NJPW to stay with them. This, giving huge pushes to Juice Robinson, ZSJ, and Jeff Cobb.

Also I think it's probably to fuck with MLW.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 16, 2019, 01:06:33 AM
MLW is definitely getting the short end of the stick here. They've been smart to sign guys like Lawlor and the Hart Foundation but have lost quite a few guys to ROH now.
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Post by: RedJed on January 16, 2019, 02:54:27 AM
Good for ROH to get Rush in exclusively (a Rush/Bandido feud would be fun), but this is absolutely to fuck with MLW and the big card MLW had lined up for NYC. Will we ever get the LA Park/Rush match in the states at this point? Probably not, sadly.

Honestly it feels that until AEW fully takes off, MLW is and will be probably the closest thing to a direct competition to ROH. It's the same concept and formula that both companies employ at this point, more directed to the in-ring and the influx of international talent. So this doesn't surprise me unfortunately.

My perception of it all is that I see MLW week after week improving on roster and creative, so their momentum is huge. On the extreme other end, ROH is clearly struggling with mainstream wrestling fans and the future is a big concern by my eyes. After I went to the Sept ppv in Vegas and saw the apathy and lack of attendance in either show then, something was apparent in that they no longer had that momentum any further.

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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 16, 2019, 05:53:06 AM
I feel like as long as Delirious is booking and the rest of the current team is running the ship, ROH's ceiling is popular niche brand.

They had a moment the past few years with Cody and the Elite to break through and become a legit #2 but it seems like they've blown it.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 18, 2019, 01:16:13 PM
Skimming this week's show.  Never seen RUSH before but I really dug him.  So of course he gets beat up by Taven afterwards.  Kingdom does have a cool theme song, IMO, though.

Was very surprsied Beer City Bruiser is a babyface now.  When did that happen?
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on January 19, 2019, 03:24:26 AM
Skimming this week's show.  Never seen RUSH before but I really dug him.  So of course he gets beat up by Taven afterwards.  Kingdom does have a cool theme song, IMO, though.

Was very surprsied Beer City Bruiser is a babyface now.  When did that happen?

Rush is awesome, but he's different than what the ROH fanbase is used to watching.
I can't stand The Kingdom, but yeah, their theme is solid.

Beer City essentially turned last week when he found out he was facing Silas this week and Silas refused to not fight him and said they were never friends and it was only business, and that Beer City had no business being in the ring with him. As far as to the live crowd, they just love a fat dude who carries a keg through the crowd.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on January 20, 2019, 04:21:13 AM
It has been kind of a slow burn turn with Bruiser. He's been acting upset that Silas was ignoring The Bouncers ever since Silas formed his MAGA Chud alliance with Bully Ray in the Fall. The Bouncers were acting like faces at the ROH/NJPW show I saw in November (high fiving fans during their entrance and sharing beers with their opponents after the match)
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 25, 2019, 02:42:47 PM
Was not expecting PJ Black vs. Juice Robinson to open the show this week but that is a matchup that has my interest.  Not sure if Blackhas his hair grey for his gimmick now but man he looks rough.  Didn't realize he is nearly 38 either but I guess Nexus was nine years ago now...
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 26, 2019, 02:19:10 AM
MVP debuted at Road to G1 Supercard last night as Kenny King's mystery partner.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on February 02, 2019, 11:51:23 AM
PJ Black joins ROH for the Vegas TV tapings after the Anniversary PPV the night before

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Post by: Baby Shoes on February 09, 2019, 03:47:49 AM
I laughed watching this week's show when they showed Aldis and Black "warming up".  Black doing handstand push ups and Aldis is doing a photo shoot.  Guessing it was probably intentional given the characters.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 09, 2019, 11:41:43 AM
I laughed watching this week's show when they showed Aldis and Black "warming up".  Black doing handstand push ups and Aldis is doing a photo shoot.  Guessing it was probably intentional given the characters.

That was great, and I, too, laughed at it.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on February 09, 2019, 04:27:14 PM
Spoiler: show
At the TV tapings tonight, they were building to Nick Aldis defending the NWA World Title against Marty Scurll at the Crockett Cup in late April.

That is just very ROH booking. Why save that match for (what is I'm fairly sure) an Honor Club exclusive show when you can have it be a major match (and possible dark horse candidate for main event) at the anniversary show or the ROH/NJPW Supershow at MSG?
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Post by: RedJed on February 12, 2019, 08:29:16 AM
Spoiler: show
At the TV tapings tonight, they were building to Nick Aldis defending the NWA World Title against Marty Scurll at the Crockett Cup in late April.

That is just very ROH booking. Why save that match for (what is I'm fairly sure) an Honor Club exclusive show when you can have it be a major match (and possible dark horse candidate for main event) at the anniversary show or the ROH/NJPW Supershow at MSG?


Agreed. Made little sense, and that may actually end up being Scurll's last match in ROH as I believe he is up end of April and obviously is AEW bound. I wouldnt be shocked to see Marty get a ROH title shot in March at the anniversary show either. I wish they would give him a run with the belt but its not going to happen if he's on his way out in the months ahead.

Speaking of which....I havent seen much of any semblance of direction for that anniversary show. I was debating on going but I doubt it unless they throw out an impressive card. Now more than ever this company needs to have the booking long term and thought through, with lots of unpredictability. Unfortunately I'm seeing little of that so far this year. Plus what do they have planned for MSG? Who knows.

I watched a bit of the Miami show on Sunday night and WOW.....their attendance is dipping badly. This was the worst look I've seen from them in sheer numbers in the crowd since they decided to go more midsized arenas. They blacked out almost the entire arena and still couldnt fill what was left whatsoever (I'm guessing there was mabybe 300-400 or so there?). Time for ROH to pull back on these bigger venues, its gotta be hurting them financially badly. The womens title switch was out of the blue too, and guessing that decision is twofold. Klein might be AEW bound (Whitmer is in an agent role there) and they gotta be seeing these attendance numbers and getting concerrned. So making the product a bit more unpredictable with title switches randomly may be an attempt to get those numbers up
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on February 12, 2019, 09:14:20 AM
They announced Jay Lethal Vs Matt Taven as the main event for their 17th Anniversary PPV. Which yuck but hey at least, we know (or at least, we hope) it won't be the main event of the MSG card.

I've liked the ROH shows I've seen in 2019 so far and the direction that they are headed in overall (Matt Taven superpush and the godawful Bully/Silas/Briscos stable running roughshod aside). Mark Haskins/Bandido match from last episode I watched was fantastic. As I've stated a gazillion times in this thread, I think a massive hit in popularity was inevitable no matter what they do so I hope they just continue to go with what brought them to the dance in the first place (strong emphasis on workrate)

That being said, it's got to be an awful time to be an ROH fan. ROH had three guys who are huge stars with crossover appeal, at the peak of their career, and they still couldn't really break through to the mainstream.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 12, 2019, 09:19:52 AM
I'm happy they are going with the Taven/Lethal match at the Anniversary show as I am going to the MSG show, and would rather something, anything else. Taven is just so generic and bland. I can't stand the Kingdom.

I love the talent they've brought in. Super pushes to Juice and Finlay, I'm all for. Haskins, Brody King, Hot Sauce, Bandido are all great talents. PCO is fun, too.
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Post by: HSJ on February 12, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
I watched a bit of the Miami show on Sunday night and WOW.....their attendance is dipping badly. This was the worst look I've seen from them in sheer numbers in the crowd since they decided to go more midsized arenas. They blacked out almost the entire arena and still couldnt fill what was left whatsoever (I'm guessing there was mabybe 300-400 or so there?).

They announced Jay Lethal Vs Matt Taven as the main event for their 17th Anniversary PPV.

Oh
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Post by: RedJed on February 12, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Well if Taven and Lethal are on for Vegas, count me out of that one. I'm not flying out for that shit.

But dont get me wrong, I actually am liking the workrate coming out the gates here with the new talent (that Haskins/Bandido match was indeed excellent), but they got to get some order to all of this and get the real standouts better pushes ahead of the rest of the pack. Right now there seems a lull where they are just showcasing this talent on an even running level. Guys like Rush and Bandido and Juice though need their positions on the top. I think PCO will clearly be moving up the the card too in no time.  I think the brand needs an identity with all this new talent and that's what I'm waiting for more of. A program or two that stands out would be a start. Right now it feels like faction wars that arent really going anywhere. They got a boatload of strong talent, now please develop and use them properly. Cobb as TV champ seems like an afterthought, for example.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on February 12, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
I was going to try to go to the Vegas PPV but wasn’t sure I could get out forFriday night and thought I may have to settle for the Saturday night tapings.  Guess that announced main event made it work out in my favor that I won’t feel discouraged.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on February 13, 2019, 09:03:56 AM
Over 4,100 tickets for ROH/NJPW supershow at MSG for sale on StubHub and tickets are less than half the price of what they were when they first went onsale.

Guess Angry 8th grader Jay White isn't the same draw that Elite are  :-\
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on February 13, 2019, 10:55:09 AM
NJPW's thing where they don't really announce the card until pretty close to the last minute really hurts things with a lot of people.
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Post by: JHawk on February 13, 2019, 11:02:13 AM
I sold mine for face value a few days ago so it's definitely below market value regardless
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on February 13, 2019, 11:13:12 AM
Agreed. Made little sense, and that may actually end up being Scurll's last match in ROH as I believe he is up end of April and obviously is AEW bound. I wouldnt be shocked to see Marty get a ROH title shot in March at the anniversary show either. I wish they would give him a run with the belt but its not going to happen if he's on his way out in the months ahead.
It seems really dumb that ROH would build a stable around Scurll and give him a major title shot if they didn't think they had a reasonable shot of resigning him.

I mean ROH is dumb and Scurll probably is leaving but it does seem odd considering they low key kind of buried the rest of the Elite guys on their way out.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on February 16, 2019, 07:20:48 AM
Not sure which was worse - how uninterested Garrison was in dancing to the theme song they were given or watching Ian try to dance and be enthusiastic.

Really think if they see anything in Kross they need to make him ditch that goofy DragonBall Z look.  I feel it makes him more look like a joke and a goof than help him stand out.  I mean, he is a generic little guy but that look makes me feel he looks like such a geek.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 16, 2019, 09:06:53 AM
Not sure which was worse - how uninterested Garrison was in dancing to the theme song they were given or watching Ian try to dance and be enthusiastic.

Really think if they see anything in Kross they need to make him ditch that goofy DragonBall Z look.  I feel it makes him more look like a joke and a goof than help him stand out.  I mean, he is a generic little guy but that look makes me feel he looks like such a geek.

Holy shit, that took me right out of the match. He looked like a total geek.
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Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on February 17, 2019, 09:11:14 AM
Rush Vs Bandido and Briscoe Brothers Vs PCO and Brody King for ROH Tag Team Titles announced for 17th Anniversary PPV.

Those are both good (in case of former match, great) additions to card. Almost make up for lameass Lethal Vs Taven main event.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 17, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
Rush Vs Bandido and Briscoe Brothers Vs PCO and Brody King for ROH Tag Team Titles announced for 17th Anniversary PPV.

Those are both good (in case of former match, great) additions to card. Almost make up for lameass Lethal Vs Taven main event.

I'm trying to figure out what they're doing with Villain Enterprises. They have a 6 man title match, Marty will eventually get the World title shot, and now Brody and PCO have the tag shot. Are they going to give them all the titles in hopes that Marty doesn't leave?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on February 18, 2019, 06:31:11 AM
It would be a profoundly ROH thing to do, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on February 18, 2019, 07:55:57 AM
Just watched this week's episode on the DVR. Man, what a slapdash episode. Episodes have been fairly cohesive and storyline driven but this one felt like a lot of odds and ends. The opening five man match felt like they picked five guys' name out of a hat. I honestly forgot Chris Sabin was still around. Must've been 6 months since I last saw him on ROH TV. I think this was match he suffered a legit injury.

Bouncers Vs Garrison & Kross was like a homeless man's version of Twin Towers/Rockers at WrestleMania V. Destroyer and Baby Shoes summed up on my thoughts on it p. much. Workrate wise it was decent but presentation felt super super indy. Also someone has got to make a gif of Caprice Coleman unenthusiastically raising the roof during Garrison & Kross' entrance.

Briscoes Vs Chuckie T & Colt Cabana felt like they got their 20 minute match cut down to 10 minutes right before they went out there. Would say it was kind of anticlimatic way for Chuckie T to end his ROH run but also he didn't have a super memorable ROH run.

Alternately, the point of the Lifeblood and Jay Lethal segment could've been put across in 7 or 8 minutes but it lasted 15 minutes. Serious "I LOVE THE SPORT OF PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING" mode Jay Lethal is not particularly interesting and this segment was mostly that. Juice Robinson also talks unironically the way Dalton Castle talks ironically. It felt like Jay Lethal was talking about Lifeblood the way that Oz (the Great Wizard not young Nash) talking about Dorothy and her friends at the end of The Wizard of Oz
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on March 08, 2019, 12:18:36 PM
Sinclair is part of a group that has purchased the YES Network, which is the home of the Yankees. Speculation is that it will be the home of ROH in NY. That would be great as I rely on NESN, and they don't have an HD channel here in NY.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 08, 2019, 01:01:48 PM
Don't they get preempted on NESN all the time, too? Whenever I've been browsing the guide and see it on I've checked only to find, like, little league softball.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on March 08, 2019, 01:25:10 PM
I have my DVR set to record it at both 1pm on Wednesday and Midnight on Thursday. I haven't had an issue, but maybe during the MLB season they might.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on March 13, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
Marty Scurll is going to challege for the ROH title at the MSG show. They're really making a hard push for him to not jump to AEW when his deal is up.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on March 16, 2019, 03:02:32 AM
I am glad I didn’t go last night to a Lethal-Taven 60 Minute Draw but sounds like people were pretty high on the tag title match.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on March 16, 2019, 03:52:46 AM
Watching the show right now. Yeah, I had to do a double take when they had Lethal/Taven go 60 minutes. Omega/Okada it was not.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: ViciousFish on March 16, 2019, 04:26:23 AM
Lethal vs Taven for 60 minutes.

It’s like they purposely booked something to make me never watch again.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Hawk 34 on March 16, 2019, 04:57:28 AM
Even Gabe never would have given THOSE two a 60 minute draw.   Kinda wish they had the balls to do that in MSG.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on March 17, 2019, 09:54:48 AM
Not only did PCO/Brody King win the tag titles at the Anniversary show but...
Spoiler: show
Villain Enterprises won the six man tag title at the TV tapings.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on March 17, 2019, 10:04:52 AM
It was also just announced that the ROH title main event for MSG will be Lethal/Taven/Scurll in a ladder match.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on March 17, 2019, 10:24:54 AM
It was also just announced that the ROH title main event for MSG will be Lethal/Taven/Scurll in a ladder match.

Jay White vs NJ Cup winner better be the main event of the show. I can't stand Taven so much that I don't care about the ROH title match.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on March 17, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
Show is called GI Supercard USA so I'm gonna bet the ROH World Title match is 3rd or 4th from top of the card fortunately.

Also I wonder how Villain Enterprises winning the tag team titles effects the previously announced Briscoes Vs G.O.D Titles Vs Titles Match at MSG? Is it going to be VE VS GOD Titles Vs Titles or G.O.D Vs Briscoes for just the NJPW Tag Team Titles?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on March 19, 2019, 03:53:14 AM
Ladder match is main eventing the show. Sorry guys.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Broward on March 20, 2019, 04:43:30 AM
So apparently Sinclair / RoH forced David Starr to pull the promo video he put up with a threat of pulling Lethal out of the event being run in Israel.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 20, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
What was the promo?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on March 21, 2019, 02:26:49 AM
What was the promo?

Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on March 24, 2019, 01:57:07 PM
Also I wonder how Villain Enterprises winning the tag team titles effects the previously announced Briscoes Vs G.O.D Titles Vs Titles Match at MSG? Is it going to be VE VS GOD Titles Vs Titles or G.O.D Vs Briscoes for just the NJPW Tag Team Titles?

Looks like it's gonna be a triple threat with, GOD, Briscoes, and VE in a winner take all match.

Also, I haven't been following the tapings but it looks like they threw a Rush/Dalton Castle match on the card. Also, Will Ospreay/Jeff Cobb which will be one hell of a match.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on March 28, 2019, 08:01:21 AM
What was the promo?

I knew I liked Starr before, but DAAAAAMN he's on another tier for me now.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on March 31, 2019, 10:40:30 AM
Emma announced that she's parted with ROH and is a free agent now.

That was a nothing burger of a run. Partly due to injury but also cause Women of Honor seems a super pale imitation of the Women's Revolution.

Assuming AEW will snap her up.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 14, 2019, 12:34:01 PM
Just when I was about fully throw in towel on ROH, I find out two of the matches on the Crockett Cup PPV are Briscoes Vs THE ROCK N ROLL EXPRESS and PCO & Brody King Vs Satoshi Kojima and Yuji Nagata.

Not going to let myself get too hyped up cause ROH is probably gonna try and insert Enzo and Cass in there somewhere.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 14, 2019, 10:33:38 PM
I was a bit disappointed with the Crockett Cup. I expected some great newer teams from the indies, maybe get a 124 team tournament or something. I'm sure it'll be good, hopefully, but the lineup didn't do a lot for me. RNR Express announced is awesome, though. And running at the same time as Road to Wrestling Dontaku hurt the NJPW involvement.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 17, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
So apparently, Delirious is being phased out as head writer and being replaced by Bully Ray and Joey Mercury.

Honestly never thought that ROH would fire Delirious and replace him with something even worse.

Wonder how long NJPW will stick with the partnership with ROH trying to be like ECW and ending up being like 2014 TNA.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 17, 2019, 08:36:25 AM
Right now Cobb has the NEVER title and GOD has the ROH tag belts. My guess is once those titles are off those wrestlers, we'll see NJPW try to move on. It sucks for guys like Cobb and Brody who signed with ROH because of their relationship with NJPW.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 17, 2019, 08:41:17 AM
I was assuming/hoping that Jeff Cobb beats Taven in a few months for the ROH World Title but knowing current ROH, they're gonna give Matt Taven an 18 month title run.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 20, 2019, 02:48:37 AM
Apparently, Enzo and Cass are already done with ROH according to Papa Meltz. THANK GOD!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 20, 2019, 11:17:33 AM
Apparently, Enzo and Cass are already done with ROH according to Papa Meltz. THANK GOD!

Word is that the run-in was a test, and the reaction was so negative that they decided against bringing them in.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on April 24, 2019, 03:06:21 AM
?s=21

ROH always manages to get the biggest styles clashes among talent.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 24, 2019, 05:23:09 AM
Thought of reasonable compromise that ROH could've done that would've allowed them to have the notoriety of an Enzo and Cass on the roster and been able to showcase the Yano/GoD feud.

Just have Toru Yano dress up and act like Enzo.

Please pay me, Joe Koff!
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on April 24, 2019, 08:41:27 AM
Apparently, Enzo and Cass are already done with ROH according to Papa Meltz. THANK GOD!

Word is that the run-in was a test, and the reaction was so negative that they decided against bringing them in.

I thought the latest was this report was false and they are still in based on Cass cutting a Twitter promo on the Briscoes.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 24, 2019, 09:31:05 AM
Gosh. Idk if there has ever been a less likable pairing (is there a word for a three way version of pairing) then GoD Vs Briscoes Vs Enzo & Cass. Just a real case of whoever wins we loses. Edgelord Usos Vs MAGA Chuds Vs Tall MAGA Chud and his little buddy. Blech.

Started watching the AXS TV highlights of G1 Supercard. Delayed reaction I know. Here's one for the unpopular opinions thread but I thought the ROH World Title match was perfectly fine. Undoubtedly, it benefited from having insanely low expectations but it was like a  *** or so match not a scourge on wrestling. I did watch this match out of context three weeks later so that helped rather than watching it in middle of a four hour card that alternated between NJPW bangers and ROH headslappers.

NOW what really sticks out watching this match is how it seems like ROH explicitly went out of their way to make the fans unhappy. They've spent the past few months building Matt Taven as a phony champion then you have him get a dominant win over the most popular guy in the company and the stalwart respected workhorse champ (who was hyped up as hometown boy).

I think the jist of this whole post is that ROH in 2019 really honestly doesn't know what the difference is between good heel heat and making people genuinely angry.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on April 24, 2019, 10:24:35 AM
nagata vs silas lol
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 24, 2019, 10:35:27 AM
Gosh. Idk if there has ever been a less likable pairing (is there a word for a three way version of pairing) then GoD Vs Briscoes Vs Enzo & Cass. Just a real case of whoever wins we loses. Edgelord Usos Vs MAGA Chuds Vs Tall MAGA Chud and his little buddy. Blech.

Started watching the AXS TV highlights of G1 Supercard. Delayed reaction I know. Here's one for the unpopular opinions thread but I thought the ROH World Title match was perfectly fine. Undoubtedly, it benefited from having insanely low expectations but it was like a  *** or so match not a scourge on wrestling. I did watch this match out of context three weeks later so that helped rather than watching it in middle of a four hour card that alternated between NJPW bangers and ROH headslappers.

NOW what really sticks out watching this match is how it seems like ROH explicitly went out of their way to make the fans unhappy. They've spent the past few months building Matt Taven as a phony champion then you have him get a dominant win over the most popular guy in the company and the stalwart respected workhorse champ (who was hyped up as hometown boy).

I think the jist of this whole post is that ROH in 2019 really honestly doesn't know what the difference is between good heel heat and making people genuinely angry.

Yeah, that match wasn't bad, it was perfectly fine, but the wrong guy went over. NJPW seemed to hit all the right buttons for who went over, meanwhile ROH did the complete opposite.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on April 24, 2019, 10:37:54 AM
Also remember that ROH actually wanted that match to be the last on the card and not Okada regaining the IWGP title. can you imagine?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 24, 2019, 11:21:13 AM
Nothing like having the biggest show of your company's history, and you want to send the fans home pissed off.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on April 24, 2019, 01:10:48 PM
Yeah, I saw the AXS version and the match was perfectly fine.  I love Marty and still have a soft spot for Jay Lethal.  Solid but unspectacular just the big thing was they made the worst booking choice possible.  Fans would’ve eaten up Marty but if he’s heading out, I get it.  Lethal retaining would’ve been fine.  I don’t know if I’ve come across anyone that genuinely cares for or is pulling for Taven.  He is that guy who should be upper midcard at best that the company strangely overvalues.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 24, 2019, 10:40:19 PM
To me, Taven is a living, breathing, create a wrestler. He's perfectly ok in the ring, but a black hole of charisma, which is really interesting. I was at the G1 Fanfest the Friday before the show. He hosted a portion of the show, and he was actually really good. He was likable, and funny, and the complete opposite of everything we see on tv.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on April 25, 2019, 12:50:09 AM
Taven is a killer dude when he's in more intimate settings. I remember actually liking Mike Bennett because he was paired with Taven for a short while. Taven's biggest obstacle is that he's best served as an upper-mid foil, like Baby Shoes said, and it's even worse because TK O'Reilly is part of his team and better in every way (still super green, though).
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 25, 2019, 07:15:08 AM
Matt Taven is good in a midcard/tag team shit heel role but nothing about him screams top heel in a major promotion.

Having seen him in Beyond, he's a lot better in a small show setting where he's allowed to go more off the cuff. He can be pretty funny but his royalty character seems way too scripted and is played too cheesily.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 25, 2019, 10:12:20 AM
Watching the rest of the AXS TV edit of G1 Supercard and damn, ROH must've really fucked bad in whatever 30 to 60 minutes weren't shown of the show cause it looked like a Card of the Year candidate with strictly the NJPW Stuff (plus the ROH Title Match). The worst match was *** and everything was at worst, very good.

One complaint that I think I can point the blame towards ROH is the overstuffed commentary team. Whoever thought a four man booth (I think FIVE MAN booth when Nick Aldis or Chris Charlton were sitting)  with TWO PBP guys was fine should be slapped. And they picked the wrong two color guys. Caprice Coleman I barely even noticed was there. I would've done Riccaboni with Rocky Romero or Excalibur.  Colt Cabana is normally fine but seemed way too hard at trying to make subtle WWE digs at the show.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: The Valeyard on April 25, 2019, 10:20:08 AM
The guest commentators were a huge problem. Caprice and Colt trying to be funny did not work and was annoying as shit. I did like Aldis in the sense he was just commentating like a world champion, where he'd talk about how he'd beat guys and point out mistakes that he'd exploit and just be a dick heel. He called it like a wrestler, if that makes sense, instead of more or less trying to be a personality.

As a person slowly getting into the modern puro era and as someone who hadn't seen ROH in quite a long time, I got whiplash. Most bush league ROH has felt since the old Sugarfoot days. Best ROH moment was by far PCO's fucking stupid bump, then the Taker situp, and immediately going right back down.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 25, 2019, 10:44:54 AM
Ian and Kevin weren't bad when they were the focus of the commentary. Aldis is very, very good, especially when he's heeling out. I would have loved to have Rocky there, as he's been fantastic with Kevin since he joined the booth. His first day was bumpy, but after that, he's a natural. I love that he really is down the middle. He marks out of ZSJ despite him being a heel, and hates BUSHI, but loves the rest of LIJ.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 25, 2019, 10:53:50 AM
Kevin Kelly is probably my least favorite PBP guy for a major company. He constantly yells as if he's about throw to commercial for no reason and I hate when he pretends to GET VERY OUTRAGED AT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE SCREEN!

Ian Riccaboni is basically a younger, better version of Kelly. Having them both in the booth together is just very dumb. It's not just two PBP guys but two PBP with the same type of style and tone (Ian is also very annoying when HE IS GETTING OUTRAGED AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE RING!).
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on April 28, 2019, 02:22:11 AM
So the NJPW guys they're lending for the War of the Worlds tour this year...Evil & Sanada, Hiroki Goto, Satoshi Kojima, Yuji Nagata, and the GOD & Hikuleo (plus the two NJPW LA Young Lions).

Yeesh. Usually, NJPW sends a sleepwalking Naito or Tanahashi for these tours. I like all of these guys but it's B- team at best. I don't think any of these shows will break over four digits in terms of attendance.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on May 09, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
I'm at the show in Toronto right now. Is this being streamed?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on May 09, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
I'm at the show in Toronto right now. Is this being streamed?

It is. Yesterday, today, and Saturday's shows are all being streamed.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on May 10, 2019, 03:13:52 AM
That's awesome! I had no idea they even showed these particular house shows. Either way it was a great card. I dunno if it was because we were in Canada, but PCO was super over.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on May 10, 2019, 03:16:50 AM
My only gripe with the show was the women's division only getting a segment and not an actual match. Felt like a disservice IMO.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on May 10, 2019, 05:42:20 AM
Not when you realize the Women of Honor division is outshined by even CZW's.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on May 10, 2019, 05:42:40 AM
My only gripe with the show was the women's division only getting a segment and not an actual match. Felt like a disservice IMO.

The WOH division is shit, and it's headlined by an awful wrestler as their champion vs a bad rehash of an Impact team, with the missing Bella (but even worse wrestler) as their leader. The disservice is that they just haven't killed the division yet.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on May 10, 2019, 06:47:46 AM
Well, in my defense, I've never seen their division. Had no idea it was that much of a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on May 10, 2019, 08:00:45 AM
It's...not very good at all, actually. At least the lame ME scene for the men still has a few personalities in it, whereas WOH has a lot of "wait, who are they?" types that accompanies pedestrian work.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on May 10, 2019, 10:38:01 AM
The interesting thing is the women they bring in for one off matches, or a few and let walk, has more talent. They had Twisted Sisters (Holidead and Thunder Rosa), Kris Stratlander, and some other talented women, but keep Kelly Klein and Mandy Leone instead.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on May 10, 2019, 12:53:45 PM
Is Emma/Tenille still with them?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on May 10, 2019, 12:54:53 PM
She's gone, expected to sign with AEW.

I hate Shane Taylor so how was the pop when he won the TV title?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on May 10, 2019, 01:05:02 PM
She's gone, expected to sign with AEW.

I hate Shane Taylor so how was the pop when he won the TV title?

There were A LOT of surprised people. I'm sure everyone expected Cobb to retain. You could hear every, "What?!" when he got the pin on Brody.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on May 11, 2019, 01:38:04 AM
Yah, the section I was in was baffled to the point where they thought it was a miscount on the refs part.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on May 11, 2019, 12:23:04 PM
I'll never understand ROH's obsession with that dude. He was never anything more than Keith Lee's tag partner in the indies before Lee smartened up and left him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on May 13, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
Shane Taylor has gotten marginally better in the past six months or so but it'd be hard not to get better given how hard ROH is shoving him down the fans throats.

In 2019, it's sometimes nice to see a big man who wrestles like a big man. But I don't think ol' Shane wouldn't be considered a great big man in any era.

Only silver lining to Cobb losing the title is that
Spoiler: show
per the last TV Taping spoiler, it looks like ROH is building to Cobb winning the World Title from Matt Taven.

Of course, knowing ROH, Taven could just go over Jeff Cobb then I'd quit watching ROH life probably
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on May 14, 2019, 01:17:27 AM
Yeah, I'm baffled at Taylor going over. If they wanted to give him a TV title run, why not just have him beat Cobb at the last ppv?

I suppose IF (and that's a big IF) the plan is for Cobb to beat Taven soon, then I get the result (protecting Cobb) but otherwise what are they thinking here. I get the idea of trying to get new talent over, but with both Taven and Taylor....they are workers who are not seen as credible by the core fanbase, which is quickly seeming to dwindle away. I don't get this strategy at all. It's making me, who is a pretty hardcore ROH fan, very unenthusiastic about things when you have incredible talent like Rush and Bandido being underutilized and barely pushed and then you got these unover heels with the titles. It just isn't working.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on May 28, 2019, 08:36:55 AM
So Jonathan Gresham is working without a contract. So that's another guy that I imagine ROH will let slip through their fingers. Gresham I assume would just straight up to go to NJPW as I don't see him fitting into either AEW or WWE.

I watched the 400th episode the other day and man, it was 2001 WCW/1995 WWF levels lifeless. I know they've had anemic attendance at their live events this year but this was first TV taping where it was obvious that there was no amount of camera tricks they could do to hide the huge swaths of emptiness.

Workrate is still good but storylines are just headscratchers. Who thought doing a heel pretends that he's blind angle would work in 2019? Is Matt Taven's character supposed to be that he actually IS the best wrestler in the world or if he is still chickenshit? Shades of gray are fine and all but I mostly feel like their storylines are asking questions that they don't have the answer to?

Also why did they debut a shitty knockoff of the GoD when the actual GoD is on the roster?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on May 28, 2019, 09:08:18 AM
I'd love to see Gresh stay in Japan. He's doing great over there in the BOSJ. Although it'd be dope to see him follow his finace over to Impact.

I haven't watched ROH in about 3 or 4 weeks, and I don't miss it at all. I'll eventually get back to watching it, but I just don't have the care right now.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 03, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
https://www.cagesideseats.com/2019/6/3/18650881/bully-ray-security-backstage-intimidate-fan-heckled-velvet-sky-roh-investigation
Bully Ray allegedly had a fan brought backstage to scold him after they were too mean to his girlfriend.

Hard to believe this is the same guy who used to call everybody a faggot and start riots everywhere.

In a mildly related note, I read that even taking into account the 16,000 people that were at MSG for Supercard of Honor,  ROH is attendance is less than half of what it was at this point last year. I knew it'd be a hard fall after The Bucks and Cody left but I'm not sure if I thought it'd be this hard.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 03, 2019, 09:18:48 AM
Whoops
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on June 03, 2019, 09:22:42 AM
There were 200-300 people at their show this weekend (can't remember if it was Saturday or last night).
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 03, 2019, 09:41:13 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8K0PTBW4AAauCG.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8K0PSiXsAETfQZ.jpg)
Bully Ray's response.

IWC this weekend: WWE is the worst at handling fan relations.

ROH: Hold my beer.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: geniusMoment on June 03, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
I imagine Velvet has heard tons of disgusting remarks going back to the TNA days.  And I'm sure Mandy has heard tons as well.  If what this fan did was so vile that it caused Velvet to report to Bully and Mandy to actually spit on the fan I can only imagine how horrible it was.  There is about a 90% chance this fan is a total creep.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 04, 2019, 08:59:17 AM
https://teespring.com/backstage-day#pid=2&cid=2122&sid=front
(https://vangogh.teespring.com/v3/image/RTXW2RM2B0IhnQlRnH0v68Czbw0/480/560.jpg)

Suggest Wrestling Merchandise For People to Buy thread crosspost.


Even if the dude was gross, it seems like awful protocol to handle it by having wrestlers take the fans backstage to give them a stern talking to. Soooooooo many things could have happened to make that incident gone worse than it did.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on June 04, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
Quote
IWC this weekend: WWE is the worst at handling fan relations.

ROH: Hold my beer.

As bad as wwe is they don't hold a candle to most of the industry tbh. the carny roots still run deep.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on June 04, 2019, 11:38:53 AM
Personally, I think Ray should've slugged him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on June 04, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
I don't think Ray should have done something that could have gotten himself arrested, and then sued and fired and the company sued. That would have really improved the situation!

Responding to a POS with violence in that situation doesn't help in the least. It hands them a victory.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: no fact, no matter on June 04, 2019, 03:51:49 PM
So what did this dude say?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 05, 2019, 12:26:42 AM
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Dude who Bully Ray took backstage, claimed he was only doing standard heel heckling to Allure and worst thing he said was a response to Velvet calling him a virgin that was something like "At least, I don't fuck Bully Ray"

Allure on Twitter claims he was saying lewd and gross stuff.

Funniest theory on what culprit of dispute was, I heard on Twitter was that Mandy Leon was pissed at the fan over an argument they had on Twitter months earlier over him joking about the watermarks on her photos.


Also I didn't know Mandy Leon was (allegedly) dating Delirious. Grosssssssss
In an unrelated note: I spend too much time reading wrestling Twitter.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on June 05, 2019, 12:31:53 AM

Now there's a story of this woman accusing an unnamed ROH talent of sexually harassing her. Whole story is in the Twitter thread.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on June 05, 2019, 12:32:35 AM
this whole thing is incredibly embarrassing no matter what the guy was saying tbh. Although it's nice in a way to know wrestling will always have these hilariously stupid stories.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 05, 2019, 12:37:44 AM
Like I said earlier, there's at least a 50% chance that this dude is fibbing and was actually being gross instead of just doing standard heckling. But even if he was being gross and a horny sex pervert, that's why ROH hires security guards.

Way it was handled it was just baffling. Bully Ray slugging the guy would have been way worse obviously but at least I could understand where that solution was coming from. What was Bully Ray hoping to accomplish by lecturing the dude? Just so weird/dumb.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on June 05, 2019, 12:55:16 AM
Pretty much, this is Bully Ray getting upset someone said something to his girlfriend and got pissed. They way he handled it was 100% wrong. Talent doesn't ask security to have fans brought to the back to "talk" to them. This whole thing has turned into a mess for ROH, although I'm sure, like every wrestling story, it'll be over in the next few days and people will forget about it.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on June 14, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
ROH is in real trouble. NY is usually a great place for them. Their ticket sales for their July show is dreadful

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Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 19, 2019, 06:59:39 AM
Wow, yeah if they can't even draw in NYC they are certainly in major trouble, I agree.

Really, you have seen a noticeable drop even before the AEW guys left, as I know when I was at the ROH ppv in Vegas last Sept, the arena was only a third full and this was for a pretty decent ppv lineup. But since Final Battle, the attendance drops month to month since then have been eye opening as I still try to keep a look at things via Honor Club shows. The TV tapings really have looked terrible crowd-wise too for quite some time now too.

What is it going to take to get ROH back in a good direction? Creatively, there is a huge wall up here too. The guys they brought in to replace Cody, Bucks, Page, etc have all floundered in this company with very uninspiring booking. Scurll perhaps is being intentionally held down to make him as irrelevent whenever he's done and obviously AEW bound. Same with Flip. Hardly anyone is getting over here. Now had read Juice Robinson is so meh about ROH in general he's refused to work with them anymore. This might be a trend that continues with other talent if it keeps up, particularly NJPW guys who were kinda leased out to work for ROH too.

I also could see if this keeps up.....ROH will lose the partnership with NJPW and CMLL if their numbers continue to suffer. It's going to become not worth the investment to these companies to be attached to a very ice cold US company that offers no incentive to continue with.

The PPV next weekend will be a huge barometer if they can creatively turn this around first and foremost. Getting titles onto Cobb and Bandido and FUCKING PUSH RUSH AS THE STAR HE IS. These talented guys have hardly any presence in this company.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on June 22, 2019, 11:11:45 AM
I’d like to think 2019 ROH means we have a good chance of El Hijo Del Squid Jr has a good chance of being the one to beat Taven for the belt.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 24, 2019, 09:23:44 AM
ROH is airing the Flip Gordon Vs Rush match on Friday's PPV for free on Facebook Live.

I guess it's a great way to get eyes on the product when that's sorely needed but I think putting the 2nd or 3rd most anticipated match on a PPV for free is a desperation move.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 27, 2019, 01:17:51 AM
ROH is airing the Flip Gordon Vs Rush match on Friday's PPV for free on Facebook Live.

I guess it's a great way to get eyes on the product when that's sorely needed but I think putting the 2nd or 3rd most anticipated match on a PPV for free is a desperation move.

And a bad move at that. The crowd probably wont even be full for that match so it will suffer and ultimately, putting any match on a preshow in desperate attempts at last minute buys is not thinking outside the box here for ROH. Their core base is going to be ordering the ppv regardless and this isn't going to change anything with that. It's a weird move that really doesn't make any fucking sense other than its going to affect the flow of that show. Rush and Flip deserve better than a preshow match too, so much more.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 27, 2019, 12:08:40 PM
In additional ROH going downward news....per pwtorch.con

 Tickets are not moving well for the Best in the World PPV this Friday. I would estimate they have sold around 700 tickets sold in a big venue that can hold around 5,000 fans for a concert. That’s not good in a venue that size even if they configure the arena a certain way, it’s going to be tough to make 700 fans look good on PPV this Friday. In more positive news for the company, ROH has only around 160 tickets last as of earlier today for the TV tapings in Philadelphia on June 29. 
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 28, 2019, 11:47:28 AM
Watching the Flip Gordon-Rush preshow match on the free previews channel.

Watching a rasslin match on 1/5th of the screen. Brings back the good ol' days of WWF Free For All on the free preview channel.

And this arena is empty. ROH has got to start moving to smaller venues ASAP since I don't think they're gonna regularly draw in the thousands for the next millennia.

Best in the World is traditionally a huge ROH PPV but it's getting overshadowed by a second tier AEW show and the NJPW Australia shows (which basically feel like C shows). Bad times indeed.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 28, 2019, 11:53:42 AM
Eli Drake just debuted as Nick Aldis' mystery partner.

ROH is the new Impact Wrestling and Impact Wrestling is the new ROH.  :o
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on June 28, 2019, 12:39:49 PM
Wow.  I find Eli entertaining but since he felt like a WWE guy of 10 years ago, I had no idea where he fit in with this "indy renaissance".  Being in ROH is a surprise but I guess not for 2019 ROH.

Then again, the main thing I've cared about in the last long stretch of ROH TV has been El Hijo Del Squid Jr. so what do I know?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on June 28, 2019, 03:10:40 PM
Flip Gordon in Villain Enterprises just feel likes miscasting. I don't see him fitting in with the weirdos stable even though Flip is probably weirder than all of those guys except PCO IRL.


Also OF COURSE, Matt Taven beat Jeff Cobb and Shane Taylor beat Bandido. Cause you can't trust ROH to leave anyone happy. Kind of expected World Title result since Cobb's doing a NJPW tour soon but I can't really think of any reason why Shane Taylor needs to have a lengthy run with the TV title.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on June 28, 2019, 10:55:43 PM
Taylor is signed to a long-term contract and it's not likely another company will take him so they probably think he's the best choice to invest in even though he fucking sucks. Bandito I think has only a one-year deal and he'll surely bolt afterwards.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on June 28, 2019, 10:57:15 PM
Also, attendance was horrible last night. There's pictures surfacing of the bleachers clearly empty.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: JHawk on June 28, 2019, 11:00:06 PM
Taven beat fucking Cobb? Fuck this company
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on June 29, 2019, 02:28:37 AM
What a frustrating show that was last night. As I figured, the crowd wasn't fully there by the time they started Flip and Rush. But honestly the attendance was so low that the seats never filled up through the show so I guess it was a moot point. Honestly that may have been one of the better matches of the show and it's just sad that that got the pre-show treatment but I guess you could consider it a hot opener. Absolutely criminal that they're treating talent like this and it partially explains why the attendance is dipping down so much.

I fully expected them to switch the TV and world titles on the show and instead they did the complete opposite and in both cases pretty clean. I get the company wants to develop their talent that they're having more in a long-term basis but this is dumb as fuck creatively as anybody in the company just has to take a look at their nosediving attendance numbers and a lack of their base caring about who's on top and one would have to recognize that it would be imperative for them to at least put the belts on guys who could be considered potential draws. This is the opposite of that. I groaned when both Taylor and Taven went over.

Particularly the main event was just a huge let down on the show. I guess they were short on time before the pay-per-view window cleared at the top of the hour something but the match was completely rushed didn't even go 10 minutes And then on top of it they have Cobb finally have his first loss be clean as a whistle and in this manner. Talk about not recognizing the way to develop talent properly huh? This was bad booking 101 here. The one guy you've been protecting since September without any loss or pinfall or submission and then you have him lose quickly in a manner like this. I had all the confidence in the world they were going to flip the belt to him since they had him lose the TV title without losing it necessarily and they had a video package building Cobb up quite a bit talking about how he got to this point. Seemed like it was a no brainer he had to go over but nope

I guess ROH is just comfortable with these dropping numbers in attendance and I'm sure the numbers of pay-per-view buys are going to be down as well. And I don't know what their long-term plan is. I get the impression they don't have one or by the time that long-term plan gets implemented and they give some actual draws the two main titles it might be too late and they may have lost too many fans in the process. I'm certainly one of them that's about ready to fold up shop on actually supporting them financially. Already decided I'm going to cancel my honor club membership and we'll see what the next pay-per-view holds but if it's looking like it's going to be anything like this one was I'll definitely decline the purchase
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on June 29, 2019, 04:14:23 AM
The two worst things to happen to ROH have been Silkin signing the company over to Sinclair and changing from bi-weekly EVENT cards to a standard television model. The entire product has been on a decline since 2009 when those two things happened.

It's not as if 2007 and 2008 were banner years, mind you, but I'll take a super hot Briscoes/Steenerico program or the closure of Bryan/Morishima over anything from the last 7-8 years in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 01, 2019, 12:04:01 PM
Wow.  I find Eli entertaining but since he felt like a WWE guy of 10 years ago, I had no idea where he fit in with this "indy renaissance".  Being in ROH is a surprise but I guess not for 2019 ROH.

Then again, the main thing I've cared about in the last long stretch of ROH TV has been El Hijo Del Squid Jr. so what do I know?

Eli isn't signed to ROH. He's signed with NWA, but works shows that NWA works with, whether it's ROH or Championship Wrestling from Hollywood/Arizona.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 20, 2019, 11:02:05 AM
My friend went to the Manhattan show tonight. I had no interest in going, and obviously neither did many people. She took these and sent them to me. This was after the show had been going on for over 30 minutes.

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Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on July 20, 2019, 11:57:15 AM
They sold that building out a year ago. It's a damn shame. What the hell happened?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on July 20, 2019, 12:03:17 PM
A lot. Between The Elite leaving, the booking, fans being turned off by a lot of the things they are doing.

Tickets for the NJPW show at the same venue go on sale next Saturday. Let's see how they draw.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on July 20, 2019, 12:25:10 PM
NJPW will probably sell out because they are killing it right now.  Even though they lost The Elite, I am liking their shows better than when the Elite were around.  ROH just confuses me most of the time when I try to tune in now.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on July 21, 2019, 03:06:32 AM
I feel like ROH had a chance to sustain somewhat like NJPW by focusing on having best workrate but now a lot of the guys that they brought into replace the Elite (Juice Robinson, ZSJ, Jeff Cobb) are either gone or spending most of their time in NJPW. Instead of making at least somewhat of an attempt at trying to get Marty Scurll and Flip Gordon to re-sign, which I admit is a futile task, they seem content to let them blatantly run out of the clock on their contracts.

And they think it's a great idea to build around Matt Taven and Kenny King. I get total Justin Credible's ECW World Title run with Matt Taven. Like, I guess the guy is a fine hand but he's the one you want to build around?

And '00 ECW still sold out the Hammerstein Ballroom.

It just says something that the 3 or 4 ROH stans left in my social feed media are pining their hopes on Alex Shelley's comeback. Look, Alex Shelley is a pretty damn good worker but when 2019 Alex Shelley is your savior...yikes.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on July 21, 2019, 03:20:35 AM
Credible as ECW World champion was fine for two reasons:
1) His act was built on being the slimy, greasy heel that couldn't win a fight on his own, and he waited until the old guard had left before even trying for the top.
2) "ECW" was the draw, not the champions. The company's attitude as a whole was still so unique even after years of Attitude and the copycats that arose.

ROH lost its identity when they started weekly TV. It wasn't special anymore, it was just another wrestling promotion. That this happened around the same time as Gabe's departure, the sale to Sinclair, and a mass exodus of talent to WWE/TNA didn't help.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on August 08, 2019, 09:20:05 AM
ROH, you have my attention again

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Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on August 09, 2019, 12:44:58 PM
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Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 09, 2019, 02:21:08 PM
This happened live, on an ROH PPV.

Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Avid Warehouse Enthusiast on August 11, 2019, 12:09:40 AM
All the more evidence that Shelley has been underappreciated his career.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on August 13, 2019, 02:21:39 AM
ROH relied on the Elite guys and NJPW too much and it's biting them in the ass. I had been saying this for years and now that they need to actually build their own stars, no one cares because they only wanna see the former.

I actually don't hate Matt Taven like most do. He absolutely shouldn't be world champ but he's fine as a midcard scummy heel. Shane Taylor though SUCKS (my dislike for him has been well documented). The Briscoes are the only credible tag team they have.

ROH needs to go into creative overhaul. They have some decent talent. PUSH THOSE GUYS.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on August 14, 2019, 02:26:46 PM
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Rock N Roll Express getting an ROH Tag Team Titles shot confirms 2019 as the most random god damn year in rasslin history.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: JHawk on August 15, 2019, 12:17:50 AM
The match at Crockett Cup was actually pretty good so I'm down for this.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on August 18, 2019, 01:16:10 PM
Catching up on ROH TV (still a week behind) and they've changed the show to mostly a clip show format the last two episodes with Ian Riccaboni and the new nerdy backstage interviewer Quinn McKay hosting wrap arounds.

I don't know if this is permanent or just because they're in between TV taping cycles but if it is the former, it just seems like a bad idea to turn the show into informercials for Honor Club. It seems like having 2/3rds of the matches on their TV show be 3 or 4 minute clip jobs with "WATCH THIS FULL MATCH ON HONOR CLUB" will alienate whatever casual fans they still have left

At least, both shows ended with 20-30 minute PPV level matches. And  honestly the Triple Threat match for the ROH World Title between Matt Taven, Jay Lethal, and Kenny King was way better than I was expecting. Taven is a honestly a pretty good wrestler, who I'd be perfectly be fine with being TV Champ but not so much when they try to push him as an insurmountable ace.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 18, 2019, 10:31:25 PM
Catching up on ROH TV (still a week behind) and they've changed the show to mostly a clip show format the last two episodes with Ian Riccaboni and the new nerdy backstage interviewer Quinn McKay hosting wrap arounds.

I don't know if this is permanent or just because they're in between TV taping cycles but if it is the former, it just seems like a bad idea to turn the show into informercials for Honor Club. It seems like having 2/3rds of the matches on their TV show be 3 or 4 minute clip jobs with "WATCH THIS FULL MATCH ON HONOR CLUB" will alienate whatever casual fans they still have left

At least, both shows ended with 20-30 minute PPV level matches. And  honestly the Triple Threat match for the ROH World Title between Matt Taven, Jay Lethal, and Kenny King was way better than I was expecting. Taven is a honestly a pretty good wrestler, who I'd be perfectly be fine with being TV Champ but not so much when they try to push him as an insurmountable ace.

I read not too long ago that they were going to try to get the tapings closer to the PPV schedule. Usually their PPV happens, and the following week of TV was still like 2 weeks before the PPV happens. They've been running for so long, something like that shouldn't be happening. This might be their way to fix that. Have clip shows until the next PPV and fill in TV after that.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: HSJ on August 21, 2019, 04:58:17 AM
Yeah, I turned on ROH last week and was pissed the Gresham/Bandido match was a clip job. I turned it off.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on August 28, 2019, 04:28:01 AM
So ROH had their TV tapings last weekend and I guess the show is going to a recap show (with one exclusive match as main event). They taped 4 or 5 matches for the TV show and the rest was Future of Honor or Honor Club Exclusives.

Now granted, as I said, the main events that they do air on the TV show now are PPV level...or as much as a PPV level match you can get out of ROH in 2019 (haha) but it makes absolutely no damn sense to me. ROH has always promoted itself on being the promotion that prides itself on having the best workrate in North America and now you're gonna have your weekly show be mostly recaps? Like 99% of their decisions the last six months. I. Just. Don't. Get it.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 28, 2019, 05:22:48 AM
I've always wondered if Sinclair even gives a shit about the kind of TV they produce as long as it's an hour they can shove into whatever timeslot they need.  I caught a tiny bit the other night and they completely pixelated someone's bloody face which looked hilarious and made WWE'S black and white solution look novel.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on August 29, 2019, 05:09:10 AM

Oh snap, Taven gonna join his boy Mike Kanelis and reform the original Kingdom.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on August 29, 2019, 05:29:56 AM
WWE can’t afford to hire him due to all the lotion he stole in his past tryout
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on August 29, 2019, 06:18:36 AM
I'm guessing Rush wins the ROH World Title at the next PPV anyway. Building around the CMLL guys is probably only sensible direction for ROH at this point.

And if Taven leaves after they built the company around him for the past year, it'd make this last year even more pointless.

ROH has fell harder in a year's span than any promotion in the post Monday Night War era IMO. I think everybody expected a crash but maybe I was naive for thinking it wouldn't be this ugly. And it wasn't like they were even that good last year.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on August 29, 2019, 06:25:25 AM
Getting the belt the fuck off Taven is a start, even if it's to a guy who's likely gonna bolt from the company next year. ROH goes from leaning on NJPW to leaning to CMLL.

Anyway, I can't see Taven not re-signing unless WWE makes him an offer (hey, crazier things have happened). I doubt any other company would want him.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on August 30, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
Joe Keys = Next Top Guy
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 04, 2019, 06:25:43 AM
I can't tell if that gimmick is so bad, it's good or legit good.

Also it turns out Marty Scurll's contract expires two months after Matt Taven's. So Taven winning the ROH World Title match at MSG makes even less sense.

*facepalm*
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on September 04, 2019, 06:29:54 AM
As I stated before, unless the E offers Taven a deal, no way he's not re-signing with ROH. Marty will for sure bolt and join his Elite buddies in AEW (yes, even though his girlfriend works in NXT).
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 04, 2019, 06:34:47 AM
From sounds of it, I don't think Taven resigning with ROH is a sure thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see him join his OG Kingdom buddies in WWE.

And even assuming Scurll leaves, you'd have had EIGHT MONTHS for him to have a title run and build up Rush or Jeff Cobb or whoever to dethrone him. I can understand an eight week long lame duck period for a guy leaving the company but an eight month is ridiculous.

Hot take: I'm not sure that Scurll won't go to WWE. It doesn't seem like he's a super integral part of the Elite plus his girlfriend and the fact that WWE has signed a buttload of UK Talent makes me think he's just as likely to go to WWE as AEW. I still think he leans AEW but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to WWE.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on September 04, 2019, 07:55:52 AM
From sounds of it, I don't think Taven resigning with ROH is a sure thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see him join his OG Kingdom buddies in WWE.

And even assuming Scurll leaves, you'd have had EIGHT MONTHS for him to have a title run and build up Rush or Jeff Cobb or whoever to dethrone him. I can understand an eight week long lame duck period for a guy leaving the company but an eight month is ridiculous.

Hot take: I'm not sure that Scurll won't go to WWE. It doesn't seem like he's a super integral part of the Elite plus his girlfriend and the fact that WWE has signed a buttload of UK Talent makes me think he's just as likely to go to WWE as AEW. I still think he leans AEW but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to WWE.

All of this.

I felt it was a given Marty would get the title months ago and instead it went to Taven.  I don't know a lot on Taven but Marty grew up a WWE and while he may get a better push on AEW at a more regular/higher spot on the card, he could be just as likely to get lost in the shuffle at this point.

I would not be shocked if WWE picked him up in November to be the guy in traditional NXT.  I can't see him going to UK at first but they have not done much with Deonna yet.  The Villain and The Virtuosa could run NXT.  Pretty sure he is already in Florida as Chelsea Green and Deonna are best friends and by association, him and Zack Ryder are super tight.  He has just struck me as another guy that may not be as concerned about his spot on the card so long as he can say he "got to the show".

I think it is more likely he goes to AEW but think there is still a good chance he could land a good, if not better, spot somewhere in the WWE hierarchy.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Epic for the Summer on September 04, 2019, 07:58:04 AM
If Taven and Marty both bounce, who will be the guy in ROH? They can't push Jay Lethal forever (but they'll damn sure try!)
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on September 04, 2019, 08:00:15 AM
If Taven and Marty both bounce, who will be the guy in ROH? They can't push Jay Lethal forever (but they'll damn sure try!)

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Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 04, 2019, 08:01:43 AM
I think one of the very few good things about ROH in 2019 is they genuinely seem like they're making a strong play for the Latinx market. I'm guessing/hoping Rush wins the World Title at Death Before Dishonor and they try to make him the face of ROH in the 2020s. He'd be a good if not great choice to build the company around.

Also it is fucking odd that ROH is pushing all of these CMLL guys when they're owned by Trump adoring Sinclair Media.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on September 04, 2019, 08:07:00 AM
They are going to give Rush the belt, only to tell him they won't renew his work visa until he cuts a pro-wall promo

Rush is one of the few guys that gets my attention these days, I just don't know enough on the CMLL agreement to know how long it will last. 

They seem to have a few guys they clearly like such as Taylor and Hot Sauce, as my assumptions are on recent booking.  I assumed Villain Enterprises was intended to build Brody and PCO up as top guys for Marty's inevitable departure.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 04, 2019, 09:47:05 AM
Marty and Deonna broke up a few months ago. I used to think she'd be the reason he went there, but after they broke up, not sure as much now. He still does stuff with his buddies in The Elite. I can see him and Flip heading to AEW. Brody King might go, too, as he's been great with Marty, but he loves NJPW too much right now.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 04, 2019, 11:38:42 AM
Medium warm take: of all the Elite guys BESIDES Cody (who has obviously was already there), I think Marty Scurll seems like the best fit for WWE.

Just something about energy and his presentation makes me think he'd fit in more seemlessly in McMahonland than Kenny Omega. Maybe not WrestleMania main event level fit but like NXT Takeover main event level, at least.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 04, 2019, 10:32:02 PM
Medium warm take: of all the Elite guys BESIDES Cody (who has obviously was already there), I think Marty Scurll seems like the best fit for WWE.

Just something about energy and his presentation makes me think he'd fit in more seemlessly in McMahonland than Kenny Omega. Maybe not WrestleMania main event level fit but like NXT Takeover level, at least.

I've always thought that. His gimmick is ready made for big time TV. He knows how to play to a TV crowd better than most guys today. He works that style perfectly.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 05, 2019, 12:19:16 AM
Another reason why him not going over at MSG is stupid. Marty Scurll is as tailor made for a NYC audience as any guy from Cambridge, England can be. I saw one of if not his first ROH match at Hammerstein Ballroom in 2016 and crowd just immediately latched onto him as their guy.

I don't really want to hear the "ROH put x guy over cause he's more likely to resign with them" anymore cause at this point, I don't think nobody but nobody is a shoo in to resign with ROH except maybe some undesirables like Shane Taylor and most of the ROH Dojo goofs.


Well, at least Bully Ray has been off ROH TV for a while.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Baby Shoes on September 14, 2019, 04:49:51 PM
Wait - Rhett Titus is working the grizzled vet/family man gimmick now?

Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 16, 2019, 02:19:07 AM
Shane Taylor released because he was upset over not being on the poster for their next show.[url] (https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/roh-and-shane-taylor-agree-terms-contract-buyout?utm_source=TW-FightfulWrestling&utm_medium=Fightful%20Wrestling%20News&utm_campaign=dlvr.it.organic)
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 16, 2019, 02:25:41 AM
Shane Taylor is gonna bring the ROH TV Title to the Impact Zone
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on September 16, 2019, 04:01:41 AM
Fuck, he's going to NXT to stick it to Keith Lee, huh?
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 17, 2019, 01:39:17 AM
Jeff Cobb Vs Brody King is going to be the free preshow match for Death Before Dishonor.

Cause putting one of the best matches of the PPV as the free preshow match drew DOZENS of buyers to their last PPV.

ROH just stinks of desperation right now.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 17, 2019, 04:30:57 AM
That's on the pre-show? I saw the match announced, but didn't even think to read when it would air on the show. That's fucking horrible. And they wonder why they only draw 500 people to a show.
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: RedJed on September 19, 2019, 07:13:42 AM
Jeff Cobb Vs Brody King is going to be the free preshow match for Death Before Dishonor.

Cause putting one of the best matches of the PPV as the free preshow match drew DOZENS of buyers to their last PPV.

ROH just stinks of desperation right now.

I wouldnt even call it desperation....more like complete ignorance and a lack of logic. This company just simply doesn't understand how to properly book a cohesive and comprehensive wrestling product right now. Not even fucking close. They did this same shit at Best in the World with putting Flip vs Rush as a pre show match. Talk about idiotic.

Now with Shane Taylor gone (thank god! Dude was not even a good worker and he got overtly pushed this year) what in the hell are they gonna do with the TV title? I read they want him to finish up and job out the belt, but who cares at this point. Just have Flip and Williams for the TV title at the ppv and be done with it all.

And then there's Taven. I figure ROH will re-sign him right before the ppv and then he goes over Rush just to confirm that this company is completely fucked with no future upside. Needless to say, I would always go to Vegas for the weekend when ROH would come around. This year that has changed drastically as I haven't bothered and I'm considering not even ordering the ppv at all.

I read a rumor (and not sure how legit this is) that Impact/Anthem might be interested in buying ROH out, and honestly I think at this point, it wouldn't be a terrible idea. Anthem actually now technically owns some old ROH content when they were on HDNet, so there is a connection there already. Would ROH still be run seperately by Anthem if this happens? That's the question I'm not sure of.

But IF they get bought out and Anthem decides to keep them around as an active touring entity, there NEEDS to be a creative change of the guard in ROH 110 percent.

If not, the impending Impact vs ROH feud would likely be a fun focus for Impact on the outset of the new run on AXS
Title: Re: ROH: Not Just a NJPW Brand Extension
Post by: Kamala Has Delaney Fever on September 19, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
I watched the last episode of ROH TV this morning. Good news is there was more than one match. Bad news is the other match was Rhett Titus Vs the lesser member of Coast 2 Coast.  ::)

Marty Scurll vs Bandido was p. dope tho.