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Title: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 15, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
https://www.fightful.com/vince-mcmahon-establishes-new-entity-called-alpha-entertainment-xfl-revival-reportedly-being

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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 15, 2017, 03:30:00 PM
I'm disgusted you didn't make this it's own thread koab. We'll keep it in wrestling not sports for now because it's speculation and it's Vince related.
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Post by: Wrestlecuck on December 15, 2017, 03:45:03 PM
Vince got so worked by the reverential 30 For 30 that portrayed the XFL as a brilliant idea years ahead of its time that he's willing to blow another $35 mil because he's convinced that the conditions are finally in place to make it a success. These are the moments where the word "based" doesn't even begin to cover it.

On the bright side, if this really is inspired by the anthem protests as rumored, Vince could probably get a sweet Sheldon Adelson investment.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 15, 2017, 03:54:52 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/30/ba/5f30ba25d8e90d543d2453c16b525300.jpg)

This one's for you Venk, RIP.
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Post by: Wrestlecuck on December 15, 2017, 05:07:16 PM
Ray Rice lives in Stamford. Just sayin'.


Fake edit: ah shit Johnny Football redemption story
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 15, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
JR is already warming up the pipes.
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Post by: Wrestlecuck on December 15, 2017, 05:21:19 PM
Marshall Faulk, Heath Evans and Ike Taylor are already warming up the pipes.
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Post by: Mik on December 16, 2017, 12:59:54 AM
Vince will probably make a huge show of the anthem and have his best good buddy Trump praise the league in tweets and get the red neck crowd that is protesting the NFL. Yeah this is going to happen.
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Post by: Thrasher on December 16, 2017, 03:13:27 AM
Vince will probably make a huge show of the anthem and have his best good buddy Trump praise the league in tweets and get the red neck crowd that is protesting the NFL. Yeah this is going to happen.

The new XFL will consist of the players standing for the anthem for three hours. It will be the most watched thing on TV.
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Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 16, 2017, 09:39:40 AM
Teach players how to bump
Sign Kapernick as top heel
Sign Tebow as top babyface
Call it the URFL
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
(https://i.imgur.com/EYF5xo1.gif)
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 16, 2017, 09:51:20 AM
He's already got Summer Rae on the Nfl Network as a SPY.
Clearly the Coach left ESPN because he knew what was up.
Vince is always 15 steps ahead.
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Post by: Mik on December 16, 2017, 11:45:09 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/7k9kxu/vince_mcmahons_vkm_ventures_llc_has_trademarked/?st=JBA2W9X3&sh=45e6c7ac


Trademarked UFL...United Football League.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 16, 2017, 12:26:56 PM
United we STAND.

Brilliant Vince. BRILLIANT!
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Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 16, 2017, 05:03:36 PM
*insert based Vince gif here*
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Post by: Damaramu on December 16, 2017, 11:23:57 PM
Perhaps he's trying to create something to leave for Shane.
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Post by: geniusMoment on December 17, 2017, 04:44:39 AM
The problem is Vince doesn't understand sports at all.  Sports is a lot different than entertainment.  You can have all different kinds of movies/tv shows etc.  But, when it comes to sports, people want to see the best play against each other.  This league won't be able to compete with the NFL for talent.  So it will be seen as 2nd rate.  And it will fail. 
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Post by: Thrasher on December 17, 2017, 04:57:55 AM
People watch DII and DIII football, there's a market for it. If Vince does this in the spring, it could work.
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Post by: Saints_Fan_H on December 17, 2017, 06:01:36 AM
Since the XFL folded I feel like the UFL had the best chance of any of them to succeed and it failed. We already have Arena league (and may minor league versions of it as well) to fill that gap with NFL and NCAA wash outs.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still watch it, but I have very limited expectations.

My town's 3,000 seat civic center occasionally hosts indoor football on the lowest level and gets tepid support.

All depends what market's he hits, how big of a league, and a few other variables. There's no shortage of players, but yeah...
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Post by: geniusMoment on December 17, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
People watch DII and DIII football, there's a market for it. If Vince does this in the spring, it could work.

Maybe on a very limited scale.  But, they aren't having DII and III games in prime time on NBC/ABC/CBS/Fox.  I gotta believe that is Vince's vision.  He isn't starting a league to have games on FS1 at 10 PM on Saturday nights.  If that's the case, then what's the point?  The only way I see him being interested is if he thinks he can compete at the highest level.  He can't.
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Post by: Harley Quinn on December 17, 2017, 10:53:08 PM
The bigger issue with failing leagues isn't talent level or TV promotion, it's the teams and stadiums financial situations that ultimately doom these things. Either teams struggle to make profits trying to sell out stadiums that are way too large (see USFL struggling to pay players) or the league tries to expand to way too many cities e.g. starting out with 10-12 teams and struggling to financially support them all while mostly being a startup.

Even looking at the history of Baseball, NFL, Basketball, and Hockey shows a ton of teams folding within the first 5 years of their existences.
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Post by: snuffbox on December 17, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
I could be wrong but I think both football and WWE were more popular when the XFL was attempted. That could make a reboot an even steeper climb.

Also, wasnt Jesse Ventura a key part of the rollout originally, calling some games and doing press? His name doesnt have quite the same ring this far removed from his governorship.

But, the dumber I think it is, the more likely the McMahons will do it.
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Post by: Smues on December 18, 2017, 12:32:51 AM
I hope it bombs worse than the NFL, and if I'm lucky bankrupts the McMahons.
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Post by: Damaramu on December 18, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
I don't see how this doesn't bomb if he's trying to compete with the NFL right out of the gate.
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Post by: Tino Standard on December 18, 2017, 03:31:16 AM
What network would even want to air this? All four big networks (ABC via ESPN) have contracts with the NFL now. A huge part of the XFL getting the TV deal it did was NBC losing the NFL.

Also, if Vince & Co think they can sell a league on "old school, smashmouth" football now, they're insane. We know too much about CTE and TBI in 2017, not to mention how many stars the NFL has lost to injury this year, mostly on legal plays even as the league tries to make the game safer. (Whether it's actually doing that is debatable, but that's at least the message it's trying to put out.)
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Post by: Damaramu on December 18, 2017, 03:35:18 AM
But but but Vince's players will stand for the anthem.
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Post by: JHawk on December 18, 2017, 05:58:25 AM
If he tells me "we'll call it a catch if it looks like a catch" it might become my preferred league by default.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 18, 2017, 06:01:01 AM
What network would even want to air this? All four big networks (ABC via ESPN) have contracts with the NFL now. A huge part of the XFL getting the TV deal it did was NBC losing the NFL.

Also, if Vince & Co think they can sell a league on "old school, smashmouth" football now, they're insane. We know too much about CTE and TBI in 2017, not to mention how many stars the NFL has lost to injury this year, mostly on legal plays even as the league tries to make the game safer. (Whether it's actually doing that is debatable, but that's at least the message it's trying to put out.)

Yeah, all this. There also isn't enough talent to make such a venture even worth watching.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on December 18, 2017, 07:06:19 AM
I seriously doubt this gets off the ground.  He did mention "exploring all options" including a partnership with the NFL.

The only things I see a potential audience for is an NFL paired, small minor league that runs during the so-called summer "dead period" when MLB is the only major sport going.  Say 8 teams with AFC/NFC affiliations (say Jets/Giants and Steelers/Eagles etc. for an example), playing a short schedule in small stadiums for undrafted/unsigned players.  I could see that working for sure, and the NFL is the only major sports league that doesn't have that now. Minor league baseball and now the G League both draw well.  I could see it doing pretty well on TV as well.  If Vince could get himself involved with something like that on the production/promotional end and I guess owning one of the franchises I could see that working.  But a league in competition with the NFL?!  HA!

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Post by: Slayer on December 18, 2017, 07:55:02 AM
I'm skeptical that this is anything beyond signalling or otherwise just putting in a largely pointless placeholder

As far as the original XFL went, I never cared about the lower quality football.  Since it was in the spring and not in direct competition with the NFL I found it was just good enough as something to throw on the TV Saturday nights even as side noise if I wasn't paying attention.  Where it went downhill was when Vince started injecting awful shit like trying to force a feud between Jesse Ventura and one of the coaches (who humorously no sold it as he wasn't in on the "joke" and wanted nothing to do with it) or the Cheerleader Locker Room Dream Sequence Halftime Show, after which I turned it off completely with the exception of the title game

If a 70 y/o even more crazy and more out-of-it Vince tries more shit like that I can only see the train crashing right out of the station
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Post by: Amy pats fan on December 18, 2017, 08:19:39 AM
I remember a huge turnout for the first game (HE HATE ME!) in my Freshman dorms and then nobody gave a shit.  It literally was a one week curiosity.  A lot of these dudes were wrestling fans at the time too.

I don't know, I thought it fucking sucked for a variety of reasons, the main one being quality of play.  Like, if I'm going to watch D league football Arena Football is way more fun
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on December 18, 2017, 08:57:05 AM
My biggest problem wasn't even the quality of play, it was all the extra WWF nonsense like trying to force a feud between Jesse Ventura and that one coach, and the cheerleader lockerroom stunt.  When I watch sports, I want to watch sports.  Not a soap opera.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 18, 2017, 09:09:55 AM
The NFL would never pair with a loser like Vince.
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Post by: Damaramu on December 18, 2017, 09:10:39 AM
Maybe he's going to sell the WWE and try to buy a franchise with this venture.
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Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 18, 2017, 09:12:17 AM
P. Diddy and Vince try to buy the Panthers?
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 18, 2017, 09:12:51 AM
If they wouldn't sell a team to Trump, they aren't selling it to a steroid user with sexual allegations in his closet.
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Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 18, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
When Disney buys WWE that will be all forgotten about
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Post by: Hawk 34 on December 18, 2017, 10:26:51 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xGgzRvKQjTg/TyPVr3P9EII/AAAAAAAAASg/mWOVXTkbmCU/s1600/chris+jericho+1.jpeg)
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Post by: Saints_Fan_H on December 19, 2017, 06:01:33 PM
Isn't Vince from North Carolina?
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Post by: snuffbox on December 21, 2017, 03:38:18 AM
Rumor has Kid Rock going in the celebrity HOF next spring so, yeah, Vince will probably try this.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on December 21, 2017, 06:33:32 AM
Rumor has Kid Rock going in the celebrity HOF next spring...

For what?
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Post by: Hawk 34 on December 21, 2017, 06:43:48 AM
His many performances on WWE TV?   Slightly shocked he beat Flo Rida to this honor.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 21, 2017, 06:52:58 AM
Boy am I glad I don't give WWE any of my money anymore. They're boycotted.
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Post by: Hawk 34 on December 21, 2017, 06:59:46 AM
Boy am I glad I don't give WWE any of my money anymore. They're boycotted.

Don’t get angry, bro.  I’m sure Machine Gun Kelly is next in line.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on December 21, 2017, 07:18:33 AM
His many performances on WWE TV?

So, are they going to put any "celebrity" who's appeared in WWE into their Hall of Fame? Is Snooki going into the Hall of Fame? Do we have Hall of Famer Kevin Federline to look forward to?
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Post by: Hawk 34 on December 21, 2017, 07:49:38 AM
...this isn’t an actual hall of fame.  Also they forgive you for rape and let you in so the standards are low.
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Post by: A FUCKIN' TEN on December 21, 2017, 07:54:31 AM
It's not a true HOF until Tito Santana's sister Arriba McEntire is inducted
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on December 21, 2017, 07:55:18 AM
...this isn’t an actual hall of fame.  Also they forgive you for rape and let you in so the standards are low.

I mean, yeah, stipulated, but still...
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Post by: Hawk 34 on December 21, 2017, 08:00:06 AM
It's not a true HOF until Tito Santana's sister Arriba McEntire is inducted

The fact Willie Nelson did a movie with Shawn and did WM7 and still isn’t invited offends me more than 209 is about Kid Rock.
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Post by: geniusMoment on December 21, 2017, 09:05:52 AM
Well, looks like VKM is going all in on this.  100 million? 

http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/21840316/vince-mcmahon-sells-some-wwe-shares-fund-alpha-entertainment-llc

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Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 21, 2017, 09:22:28 AM
Boy am I glad I don't give WWE any of my money anymore. They're boycotted.

I know it sucks this happened before Limp Bizkit but they'll be in soon enough.
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Post by: geniusMoment on December 21, 2017, 09:27:26 AM
I'm assuming Trump will be heavily involved in some of the PR for this league.

My guess is he is at the first game, and does the first coin flip.

My question is do you think it hurts WWE if Vince and his brand become heavily associated with Trump?
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Post by: Epic Reine on December 21, 2017, 09:38:06 AM
It'll definately hurt them. There's a reason why his past with WWE is never acknowledged or that Linda being in his cabinet isn't mentioned anywhere. The McMahons will still feed him money but he'll never be mentioned on television. I can't wait for Trump shouting about how a real league like the XFL has players that stand for the anthem in his first pre-game promo!
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Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 21, 2017, 09:38:21 AM
He's in their mythical hall of fame so I guess it matters?
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on December 21, 2017, 09:38:50 AM
It's not a true HOF until Tito Santana's sister Arriba McEntire is inducted

The fact Willie Nelson did a movie with Shawn and did WM7 and still isn’t invited offends me more than 209 is about Kid Rock.

I mean, hell, Maria Menunous deserves to be in before Kid Rock!
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on December 21, 2017, 09:41:15 AM
Well, looks like VKM is going all in on this.  100 million? 

Is that your guess on how much he is going to be in the red this time?
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 21, 2017, 09:49:12 AM
I don't care about Kid Rock. MAGAFL is my problem here, in combination with all the money they gave him. I had enough.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 21, 2017, 10:03:47 AM
Wake me when Papa Roach and Powerman 5000 go in.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 21, 2017, 10:07:32 AM
Well, looks like VKM is going all in on this.  100 million? 

Is that your guess on how much he is going to be in the red this time?

That's how much he got for selling his shares.

"McMahon is chairman and CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment, which filed details with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission about McMahon's sale of 3.34 million shares of WWE, equaling about $100 million"


Less shares the Mcmahons own in the company I care about the better.
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Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 21, 2017, 10:15:53 AM
That's actually impressive. 4.3% of the total stock got him $105 million.
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Post by: Damaramu on December 21, 2017, 11:37:45 PM
I'm still baffled as to how he thinks this is a good idea or will work.
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Post by: Harley Quinn on December 22, 2017, 01:41:58 AM
I'm still baffled as to how he thinks this is a good idea or will work.

I'm not surprised. IIRC, the 30 for 30 on the XFL said that Vince wanted to go through with a 2nd Season but NBC refused to air the games and basically gave Vince no other option but to kill the league.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/11/sports/pro-football-no-more-springtimes-for-the-xfl-as-league-folds.html

NBC backed out then UPN wanted more money for a Sunday Night slot, then they backed out. Vince even remarks that the broadcast component was the most important aspect of going forward.
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Post by: snuffbox on December 22, 2017, 02:09:20 AM
Will it air on USA or Fox News?
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on December 22, 2017, 03:54:21 AM
I'm still baffled as to how he thinks this is a good idea or will work.

Dementia.
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Post by: Former Faithless Fool on December 22, 2017, 06:45:28 AM
I'm still baffled as to how he thinks this is a good idea or will work.

It makes sense in a way now. Ratings kinda don't matter in this era compared to their impact on how they did when he first tried this. The one thing that makes no sense in this is the fact that going about it in the way he's going to could potentially kill off everything for him if we follow it to it's most extreme conclusion.

Vince markets this as "the patriotic football league" as some sort of reverse virtue signal in his mind. Get his good old buddy Trump to endorse it. Seeing the trend of what WWE crowds look like now... piss off about 75% of the people who still actually go see the WWE live, and boycott this football league right off the bat. This boycott extends itself to the WWE and to a lesser extent the USA Network. History of racism and sexual abuse starts to get covered by the mainstream media in a way that Vince hasn't been through before. Stockholders and advertisers back out, bye bye tv deals that bring about money outta nowhere regardless of ratings and live attendance. So long small, cheap, but plentiful advertisers who see this company as a dumping ground because of the amount of families and kids who watch the programming in theory.
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Post by: snuffbox on December 22, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
Are you suggesting this could end up being a bad idea?
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Post by: Dandy on December 22, 2017, 09:18:20 AM
Hear me out. . .

What if this is streamed via the WWE Network or Vince uses that model to start his own sports streaming app?  The UFL could be the first sports league on the app as he attempts to add other sports. I can vouch that Conference USA is about to negotiate its next contract as its current disastrous contract nears its end. Fans of those teams have watched their football games on Facebook (Stadium), or wherever they can watch the games, which are rarely shown. Basketball is worse.  TV contracts will be much less lucrative going forward due to all the cord cutters. Is it a long shot?  Long shot probably does not begin to describe how unlikely that is. But Vince may hav gotten the idea to use the Network’s model as streaming is likely the future.
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Post by: Tino Standard on December 23, 2017, 12:49:31 AM
You might -- MIGHT -- get something like that to work if the cornerstone of your programming is an established sports entity. Trying to get people interested in watching a new second-rate football league is hard enough on its own. Making them pay to do so is likely financial suicide.
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Post by: Dandy on December 23, 2017, 01:07:56 AM
Yeah, I agree with that. But there are fans already having to subscribe to crappy conference feeds that do not even have apps so it must be watched on desktop or laptop and/or have those hooked to your television set. Or you can watch on your phone’s browser. And that doesn’t give you access to the majority of the games.

So if a few college conferences were to sign up; some soccer and hockey leagues; and Vince’s pro football league was on there, I could see a decent amount of cord cutters picking up this sports app.

Like I said, I think it is more than a long shot. But more people would pay for sports than wrestling. I would easily pay $5 - $10 per month just to watch every Marshall football and basketball game. CUSA-TV is behind a paywall of $10/month and as I said you only get a handful of games not already being streamed elsewhere. 
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Post by: snuffbox on December 23, 2017, 01:14:41 AM
Is that "decent amount" in the double digits?
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on December 23, 2017, 11:06:13 AM
The problems now are different from 2001. There's serious oversaturation of football these days and I don't think people will want to get up for some other league in addition to the main vein, intravenous experience the NFL and college ball offer now.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 23, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
Every good soccer league is locked in contracts with the likes of Fox, NBC, Turner, ESPN and Bein Sports. Soccer fans also have intense backlash to paying more to watch and are among the most highly educated. Meaning we know how to steal.

So that's a no go.
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Post by: Saints_Fan_H on December 24, 2017, 08:11:16 PM
I've paid anywhere from $3.99-9.99 (plus tax) for stadium feeds when my alma mater travels to shit holes and/or FBS (nonpower five) programs that aren't broadcast locally.

Yeah, you throw shit like that on an app of some sort there's a bunch of lower end college football fans that'll watch. All you need is the stadium feed (pressbox cam, sideline cam, one endzone cam in a tower) linked to the radio broadcast.
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Post by: Dandy on December 24, 2017, 10:08:37 PM
Most schools have gotten their stadium feeds and production equipment up to the necessary level to be on ESPN 3. A streaming service would just need to pick up the conferences as they become available. Still, it is a ridiculous long shot that this is what Vince is considering
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Post by: DorianS on December 25, 2017, 03:46:47 AM
I'm probably guessing this will become a summer league. That way he's not directly in competition with the NFL and can get players over time. With a 100m investment, this definitely doesn't seem to be the type of investment for a winter league. Which is probably the best thing for it because the only sports in the summer are MLB and MLS.

I honestly think that Vince is probably making a developmental (to start) league this time around and eventually become the better league over time. It'll really depend on the first information we get for the actual structure. Because if he just goes all in, then it'll be screwed.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on December 25, 2017, 05:02:26 AM
I'm probably guessing this will become a summer league. That way he's not directly in competition with the NFL and can get players over time. With a 100m investment, this definitely doesn't seem to be the type of investment for a winter league. Which is probably the best thing for it because the only sports in the summer are MLB and MLS...

*ahem*
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Post by: DorianS on December 28, 2017, 09:01:05 AM
Took me awhile to figure out what this ahem was about. Sorry, should've added WNBA. What was I thinking.
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Post by: Epic Reine on January 24, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
http://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/big-update-on-the-return-of-the-xfl/

Welp...
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Post by: Detective Ventriloquist on January 24, 2018, 07:55:25 PM
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Many people have pointed out over the years that Vince McMahon was working on both the XFL and WWE in 2000 and 2001 and some point to that being what hurt the WWE product in the latter months of 2001 because McMahon was not giving 100% attention to the wrestling side.

That could actually be great for the wrestling product now. Let HHH run the show and allow the wrestlers who deserve the pushes get one.
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Post by: Sabre on January 24, 2018, 11:17:17 PM
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Many people have pointed out over the years that Vince McMahon was working on both the XFL and WWE in 2000 and 2001 and some point to that being what hurt the WWE product in the latter months of 2001 because McMahon was not giving 100% attention to the wrestling side.

That could actually be great for the wrestling product now. Let HHH run the show and allow the wrestlers who deserve the pushes get one.

DX reunion confirmed.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 24, 2018, 11:38:46 PM
can't wait for the carmella and mojo mega pushes. how long till Big Cass is back? HHH loves him.
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Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 01:08:16 AM
Vince is to make a sports announcement at 3ET.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 01:10:23 AM
I hope he announces the XFL and everyone just laughs and walks out.
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Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 02:18:56 AM
That would be amazing.
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Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 25, 2018, 02:40:01 AM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22211134/wwe-vince-mcmahon-try-launch-professional-football-league
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2018, 04:13:11 AM
Well, whatever he puts into this will be lost money. Might as well flush it.

He should just try to buy the Panthers.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 04:35:47 AM
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Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Damaramu on January 25, 2018, 04:48:07 AM
How hard is the mainstream sports media going to ridicule this? He'll never be able to get past their perception of him.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: geniusMoment on January 25, 2018, 04:53:42 AM
Colors are Red, White and Blue.

Ugh, there is going to be so much patriotic PR shoved down our throats with this.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 04:54:16 AM
Also, check out Vince's AlphaEnt headshot. So.. much.. Photoshop..

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUZT-MAVoAAP5kb.jpg:large)
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 04:55:22 AM
Colors are Red, White and Blue.

Ugh, there is going to be so much patriotic PR shoved down our throats with this.
I mean, he named his company Alpha Entertainment. What did you expect? ;)
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2018, 04:58:51 AM
I won't watch a single snap. So many better things to do with my time than watch players not good enough to play in the NFL.
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Post by: ViciousFish on January 25, 2018, 05:02:15 AM
That’s what the CFL is for.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 25, 2018, 05:26:38 AM

This video seems relevant.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 05:28:05 AM
This won't be no league for no sissys or pantywaists, lol
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Epic Reine on January 25, 2018, 05:29:35 AM
Instead of wellness violations, people will be suspended for not standing for the anthem.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Kotzenjunge on January 25, 2018, 05:31:55 AM
Colors are Red, White and Blue.

Ugh, there is going to be so much patriotic PR shoved down our throats with this.
You keep the old colors, it's linked to the failed version. The NFL, NBA, and MLB have all used some kind of red, white, and blue combination for decades. Colors might be the least of this league's problems.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 06:02:09 AM
LESS STALL MORE BALL lmao
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 06:03:01 AM
Are we in 2000. madness.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 25, 2018, 06:04:36 AM
#XFL2020 lirl
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 06:06:30 AM
8 teams - thats interesting.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 25, 2018, 06:07:56 AM
good news for wwe fans:

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Q: Hey Vince, how will this affect your day-to-day duties as Chairman of the WWE?

A: It won't affect it at all.

(https://i.imgur.com/EWpKz5S.png)
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 06:10:16 AM
LOL @ vinces groan at the CTE question.
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Post by: Epic Reine on January 25, 2018, 06:12:15 AM
The only way I'll even be remotely interested in this is if they go full-on sports entertainment (which is what they tried to sell it as the first time around). I'm talking RKOs during first downs, dropkicks in the end zones, and tie-ups to determine ball possessions. If it's gonna be a disaster, might as well make it entertaining.
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Post by: pujoljunkie on January 25, 2018, 06:14:38 AM
Vince is trying really hard to say "our players are going to be forced to stand for the anthem" without actually saying it.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 25, 2018, 06:16:49 AM
Dodged a question about the research about demand for non-NFL football, said they did 'a lot of it'. He said the kneeling had nothing to do with his decision, this has 'nothing to do with politics'. He just thinks '70 million football fans don't get it 7 months of the year'.

Says this will be a 'fan-centric' game, I guess they will change up some rules.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 06:18:27 AM
a 2 hr game is quite a statement.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 25, 2018, 06:19:50 AM
I was gonna say, some of these ideas might be worth the NFL looking into stealing. Two hours is hard but at least see how Vince uses the Billy Kidman timing to not make football feel like a slog to sit through for parts of the game.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2018, 06:20:22 AM
Dodged a question about the research about demand for non-NFL football, said they did 'a lot of it'. He said the kneeling had nothing to do with his decision, this has 'nothing to do with politics'. He just thinks '70 million football fans don't get it 7 months of the year'.

Says this will be a 'fan-centric' game, I guess they will change up some rules.

Lol. I don't think there was ever a market for year round football and most football fans complain that the NFL has tried to do that to their league.

This is going to be a PR nightmare and open the door for all kinds of scrutiny into the company that actually matters. The media will be looking for any way to tear him down.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Epic Reine on January 25, 2018, 06:22:31 AM
Another Vince McMahon/Bob Costas interview please.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: The Valeyard on January 25, 2018, 06:24:22 AM
I just want a resolution to that Jesse Ventura/Rusty Tillman war of words.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 25, 2018, 06:24:55 AM
'quality of the human being is just as important as the quality of the player. You want someone who does not have any criminality whatsoever associated with them. Even if someone has a DUI, they won't play in the league.'

I think people here will have a good time with that bit. Also LOL at the beginning of this exchange with Rob.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Epic Reine on January 25, 2018, 06:26:19 AM
Anyone want to take a stab at how many NFL castoffs will be involved in this? Michael Sam (they've used him as a PR tool before)?
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2018, 06:26:30 AM
This guy wants players that literally don't exist
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 06:27:35 AM
well im hooked. time to ebay XFL merch.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: pujoljunkie on January 25, 2018, 06:35:02 AM
Basically Vince needs Joe Namath to sign with the Jets instead of the Cardinals, but he also needs Joe Namath to not schmooze with women and be totally awesome, and he also needs Joe Namath to be totally apolitical, but he needs that apolitical stance to be inherently right wing, and hey, look at that, the league's already doomed.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 25, 2018, 06:56:30 AM
cant wait for the big dawg to dominate the new xfl.

Vince calling 3 hour nfl games hard to watch was pretty hilarious.

As far as him saying it won't effect him running WWE, well what else was he going to say? Everytime investors think he might step back the stocks go down (including when trump fake took over). by 2020 Vince will be 74 though and he's already getting frailer and deafer/blinder. He can't keep up the pace. I wouldn't be shocked if he sells more and more of his stock or even takes a Fox buyout so he can focus on this weird obsession.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Kotzenjunge on January 25, 2018, 06:59:45 AM
I'm ten minutes into this teleconference thing (and imagining Vince standing on a sea of green) and while it'll never be the NFL or anything close to that this version of the XFL will last a couple of seasons at least. If the president tries to endorse it as an NFL alternative it's guaranteed a niche following for longer thanks to the 1/3 of the country that will follow anything the guy says.

Vince talking about the national anthem so reverently is funny when it's not even the patriotic song he had performed at his own big events.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Hawk 34 on January 25, 2018, 07:01:52 AM
Finally the NFL and the networks will have fresh new ideas for the 2025 season.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2018, 07:06:03 AM
I'm ten minutes into this teleconference thing (and imagining Vince standing on a sea of green) and while it'll never be the NFL or anything close to that this version of the XFL will last a couple of seasons at least. If the president tries to endorse it as an NFL alternative it's guaranteed a niche following for longer thanks to the 1/3 of the country that will follow anything the guy says.

Vince talking about the national anthem so reverently is funny when it's not even the patriotic song he had performed at his own big events.

Nobody likes bad football.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 25, 2018, 07:09:24 AM
I'm trying to figure out how they would possibly be able to pull off a 2 Hour game, assuming commercial time is roughly 2 minutes per break.

- Shorter half time show? Maybe only 10 minutes for quick recaps of scores/other games then cut back to the field?
- NFL utilizes a 40 second play clock. Maybe this XFL utilizes a 20-25 second one instead both to speed up the game but also more closely mirror the 'hurry up'/no huddle style of the college game?
- Maybe a CFL style 3 Downs instead of the NFL's 4?
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 07:25:55 AM
They could just not stop the clock for out of bounds etc.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2018, 07:28:04 AM
I'm trying to figure out how they would possibly be able to pull off a 2 Hour game, assuming commercial time is roughly 2 minutes per break.

- Shorter half time show? Maybe only 10 minutes for quick recaps of scores/other games then cut back to the field?
- NFL utilizes a 40 second play clock. Maybe this XFL utilizes a 20-25 second one instead both to speed up the game but also more closely mirror the 'hurry up'/no huddle style of the college game?
- Maybe a CFL style 3 Downs instead of the NFL's 4?

Hint: this league will never get out of the idea stage
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 25, 2018, 07:38:00 AM
I just assume this is all about getting vince lots of attention and keeping him busy while hunter and steph take more and more power.  Let him fiddle with his toys while they slowly cement power.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 07:48:32 AM
How can they cement power if he's the majority stock owner?
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2018, 07:49:40 AM
No, I really think Vince is delusional enough to believe he can run a league on a similar budget that he had in 2001. I also believe he thinks people will want to watch a league where coaches like Art Shell would have a job.

In the history of this country there has never been a successful, nationally televised second tier league.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 25, 2018, 07:51:39 AM
he's been selling reasonably large amounts of stock for the last few years and probably will keep doing so and if he isn't paying as much attention they can implement more and more of their ideas and put their people into positions of responsibility.
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Post by: Damaramu on January 25, 2018, 08:05:44 AM

As far as him saying it won't effect him running WWE, well what else was he going to say? Everytime investors think he might step back the stocks go down (including when trump fake took over). by 2020 Vince will be 74 though and he's already getting frailer and deafer/blinder. He can't keep up the pace. I wouldn't be shocked if he sells more and more of his stock or even takes a Fox buyout so he can focus on this weird obsession.

I'm actually shocked he did the whole senior citizen bit with Austin on Monday. I thought Vince would never admit to growing old, even for an angle.

I just can't see any way this doesn't fail. I'm not clamoring for an alternate football season. Between college and the NFL I'm good. I can't even keep up with all the games like I used to. In college I could tell you every NFL head coach, starting QB and most OC/DC off the top of my head. Now I probably can't name half of the head coaches or QBs.

I do always wish for something after the NBA Finals, since I'm not a baseball guy, but I wasn't thinking about football.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Sabre on January 25, 2018, 08:06:25 AM
And when that doesn’t work. Have roman reigns be the star quarterback.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 25, 2018, 08:09:26 AM
I can't even imagine clamoring for a regular football season let alone an alternate one.  ;D
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 25, 2018, 08:11:19 AM
I'm trying to figure out how they would possibly be able to pull off a 2 Hour game, assuming commercial time is roughly 2 minutes per break.

- Shorter half time show? Maybe only 10 minutes for quick recaps of scores/other games then cut back to the field?
- NFL utilizes a 40 second play clock. Maybe this XFL utilizes a 20-25 second one instead both to speed up the game but also more closely mirror the 'hurry up'/no huddle style of the college game?
- Maybe a CFL style 3 Downs instead of the NFL's 4?

Hint: this league will never get out of the idea stage
https://deadspin.com/the-new-xfl-sounds-nothing-like-the-old-one-1822425272

From this it sounded like no half time at all.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Just Call Me Dan on January 25, 2018, 09:23:32 AM
Favre and Manning all time QBs. 
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on January 25, 2018, 10:05:08 AM
Dodged a question about the research about demand for non-NFL football, said they did 'a lot of it'. He said the kneeling had nothing to do with his decision, this has 'nothing to do with politics'. He just thinks '70 million football fans don't get it 7 months of the year'.

Says this will be a 'fan-centric' game, I guess they will change up some rules.

Lol. I don't think there was ever a market for year round football and most football fans complain that the NFL has tried to do that to their league.

I thought there was back in 2001, but I now think that even back then I was wrong.  Considering all of the complaints these days about Thursday football, a potential 18 game season, and expanded playoffs, there definitely doesn't seem to be a market out there for more professional football.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Damaramu on January 25, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
More NFL always sounded like a good idea to me until I had it. I feel like the special impact of Sundays are gone in some ways.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Brodypedia on January 25, 2018, 01:09:15 PM
CBS sports or TSM?:

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Furthermore, he wants games to be sped up and played perhaps in as quick as two hours. "Sitting and watching a three, three-and-a-half hour game is laborious sometimes," McMahon said, a statement that surely made WWE fans that have to sit through a three-hour Monday Night Raw each week smile.
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Post by: Epic Reine on January 26, 2018, 01:38:53 AM
I've already seen way too many tweets saying that the XFL will succeed because it preaches real American values, the fact that players will be required to stand for the anthem will be the key to their success, NFL are a bunch of UnAmerican sellouts, Roger Goddell is a hack, etc.

Now I just kind of want this to fail on principle. There's still a chance this doesn't actually get off the ground.
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Post by: Thrasher on January 26, 2018, 03:37:07 AM
If San Diego gets a team, I'll get season tickets. Maybe Vince will treat me better than the Chargers.
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Post by: Brodypedia on January 26, 2018, 07:01:10 AM
I haven't looked around to confirm this, but my thought is that since he has no broadcast partner that Vince will tie the XFL in with the WWE tv rights deal.

100 million dollars will not go far for capital, especially if Vince is funding all 8 teams. You have to figure at least 25% of that number for advertising alone and that may be low.
If something does get off the ground, expect Vince to push for a Super Bowl commercial in 2 years to kickstart the league.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 26, 2018, 07:18:15 AM
Oh shit JOHNNY FOOTBALL tweeting hints he’s XFL-Bound

Swag
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 26, 2018, 07:21:00 AM
the fist piece falls into place.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on January 26, 2018, 08:00:24 AM
Oh shit JOHNNY FOOTBALL tweeting hints he’s XFL-Bound

Swag

What happened to only accepting good people that never get into trouble?
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: CookieMueller on January 26, 2018, 08:58:21 AM
Yeah but he's white
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Mik on March 20, 2018, 03:19:32 AM
Vince dealt pretty much a death blow today.

Charlie and Dick Ebersol are stealing all of his ideas, are backed by Peter Thiel, already have a CBS deal and will be on the air a full year before the XFL.

XFL just got hit with a fatality.

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Post by: Epic Reine on March 20, 2018, 03:21:12 AM
Can't wait for the XFL vs Ebersol's Football 10 man tag on Raw. The XFL side will all be wearing "He Hate Me" jerseys.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on March 20, 2018, 03:21:23 AM
loooooooooooooooooooooooool
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on March 20, 2018, 03:26:48 AM
haha peter thiel awesome.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Brodypedia on March 20, 2018, 03:54:35 AM
http://variety.com/2018/digital/news/alliance-american-football-league-cbs-2019-charlie-ebersol-1202731190/

Speculation already flying that Vince never intended on an XFL relaunch and is using it as a bargaining chip in TV negotiations.
--

Ebersol is promising new rules. No onside kicks. If you want to try a possession, you'll get the ball at your own 35 and it'll be 4th and 10.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Epic Reine on March 20, 2018, 03:58:11 AM
Speculation already flying that Vince never intended on an XFL relaunch and is using it as a bargaining chip in TV negotiations.

Oh fuck off.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Brodypedia on May 10, 2018, 01:02:51 AM
Meltz says the XFL will be 20 second play clocks, thus no huddles for offense. Also no face masks because Vince wants to see player's faces.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Damaramu on May 10, 2018, 01:03:35 AM
Meltz says the XFL will be 20 second play clocks, thus no huddles for offense. Also no face masks because Vince wants to see player's faces.

Also no time-outs and a running clock.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: snuffbox on May 10, 2018, 01:27:27 AM
Should've just lost another senate race instead.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Damaramu on May 10, 2018, 01:28:20 AM
Should've just lost another senate race instead.

You don't want warp speed football reinvented?

Who the hell is clamoring for shorter football games anyway? I hear it a lot about baseball but never hear the complaint about football really.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Epic Reine on May 10, 2018, 01:34:24 AM
no face masks because Vince wants to see player's faces.

This is too easy.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Hawk 34 on May 10, 2018, 02:21:39 AM
Should've just lost another senate race instead.

You don't want warp speed football reinvented?

Who the hell is clamoring for shorter football games anyway? I hear it a lot about baseball but never hear the complaint about football really.

It’s actually a regular complaint generally expressed by people who attend NFL games because in person, going to an NFL game is a slog.
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Post by: alkeiper on May 10, 2018, 02:32:44 AM
It's also a regular complaint for those of us who want to watch Bob's Burgers instead.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Saints_Fan_H on May 10, 2018, 07:07:54 AM
no face masks because Vince wants to see player's faces.

This is too easy.
Unless the player looks like Christian.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: KingPK on May 10, 2018, 07:11:37 AM
Should've just lost another senate race instead.

You don't want warp speed football reinvented?

Who the hell is clamoring for shorter football games anyway? I hear it a lot about baseball but never hear the complaint about football really.

It’s actually a regular complaint generally expressed by people who attend NFL games because in person, going to an NFL game is a slog.

There is a LOT of downtime between plays in an NFL game, you just don't notice it at home because they flash stats and replays and network promos and commercials at you all the time.  If you have RedZone, they just cut to another game.  Being at an actual game is probably the worst live sports experience of the four major leagues; baseball is slow too, but at least you're usually outside enjoying great weather.  At an NFL game if it's like 10 degrees or pouring rain and it's 6-3 you probably want to kill yourself.
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on May 10, 2018, 07:20:33 AM
I happen to like attending football in person.

Anyways, no facemasks?  Is he starting a rugby league?
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: The Valeyard on May 10, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
He should've started it as a rugby league in the first place. Something at the time not readily available to see. Back in 2001 I was all in hoping for a rugby/lacrosse hybrid bloodsport.

But there's no way he gets away with this 1940s no facemask thing in the concussion era, and if he does I just want Nowinski to be on ESPN and say "he hate me."
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Post by: Wrestlecuck on June 29, 2018, 08:03:54 AM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23947732/vince-mcmahon-expects-spend-close-500-million-xfl

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Vince McMahon's commitment to his relaunched football league, the XFL, is significantly larger than originally expected.

The WWE chairman, who began funding the league by selling approximately $100 million in WWE stock and putting it into his wholly owned subsidiary Alpha Entertainment, has informed insiders that he expects to spend closer to $500 million in the league's first three seasons. The XFL is scheduled to reboot in February 2020.

"People were focused on the $100 million, but the truth is that doesn't even get us to the 20-yard line," league CEO and commissioner Oliver Luck told ESPN. Luck accepted the job June 5 and starts at his office across the street from WWE headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut, on Monday.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on June 29, 2018, 08:06:41 AM
Gonna bomb hard judging from the crowd reaction on Tuesday. Roman Reigns level of boos.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on June 29, 2018, 09:17:32 AM
Forget the NFL.  This is behind the AAF.
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Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on June 29, 2018, 11:19:08 AM
Half a billion dollars....

he's gonna gut the wwe to pay for this thing, he's not gonna sell that much stock. Should be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: fazzle on June 29, 2018, 02:06:03 PM
Can't spend $500m over 3 seasons if the league doesn't last 3 seasons though.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on June 29, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/source.gif)
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: KingPK on June 29, 2018, 03:56:53 PM
This definitely feels like Vince realizes that he's 72 and if he's going to do something huge that isn't connected to wrestling, this is probably his last shot.  He probably feels the NFL is heading for a downturn in popularity for various reasons and thinks the XFL will be there to take advantage.  He's got $2 billion coming to him, a major network demanding his programming again and his company is in pretty good financial shape (the new tax bill probably won't hurt either), so you can't blame him for taking a big gamble like this.
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Post by: Thrasher on June 30, 2018, 04:19:39 AM
Vince should have bought a minority stake in the Panthers. That other league, Alliance of American Football, seems more plausible and fake at the same time.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on June 30, 2018, 06:11:02 AM
Vince should have bought a minority stake in the Panthers. That other league, Alliance of American Football, seems more plausible and fake at the same time.

I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Thrasher on June 30, 2018, 04:18:05 PM
Well they have a TV contract with CBS but not much else has been announced. I can put down $50 for season tickets in San Diego but the team doesn't have a name or website yet.
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Post by: Brodypedia on June 30, 2018, 07:00:14 PM
Apparently, Vince has 10 million earmarked for player health insurance. Paid for by.... wrestlers who break their body and have to buy their own insurance.
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Post by: Wrestlecuck on October 20, 2018, 10:44:23 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
lol
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Post by: no fact, no matter on November 23, 2018, 03:24:54 AM
lol https://www.gerweck.net/2018/11/22/adidas-challenging-vince-mcmahons-alpha-trademarks-for-the-xfl/

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PWInsider reports that clothing and sneaker company Adidas is challenging Vince McMahon’s trademark for Alpha Entertainment, the new entity he’s using to relaunch the XFL that was announced last year. According to the report, a number of Adidas’ subsidiary companies have requested time from the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) to oppose Alpha Entertainment trademarking its logo.

Adidas is reportedly arguing that Alpha’s logo is infringing on the one for Adidas. Currently, Adidas will have until March 6, 2019 to file an opposite or request another question.

It was previously reported in April 2018 that all six of the XFL trademarks that Alpha Entertainment applied to register for were given an initial refusal by USPTO. That refusal was due to the likelihood of confusing from similar XFL trademarks being held by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/955803551359520768/PnndNvU5_400x400.jpg)

(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server1500/ac84d/products/1203/images/2686/Adidas_Logo_Stack__93206.1337144792.380.380.jpg?c=2)
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on November 23, 2018, 07:05:08 AM
They're pretty different to me but I'd also tend to interpret that kind of thing pretty broadly, so as to not let giant corporations lock everything up (even when feuding with another corporation!).
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: no fact, no matter on November 23, 2018, 07:22:07 AM
They're different enough, I agree. But hey, anything that screws with Vince and his dumb ass is fine by me.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on November 29, 2018, 10:48:37 AM
https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/xfl-reveal-team-cities-and-venues-next-week-271281

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The next step in Vince McMahon's XFL revival is set for next week.

At MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey next Wednesday (December 5), the XFL will reveal which eight cities will be getting teams for the league's 2020 launch. The XFL will also announce which venues the teams will be playing at.

The XFL will stream next Wednesday's announcement live on the league's website and social media accounts at noon Eastern time.

It appears that St. Louis, Missouri will be home to one of the XFL's eight teams. KSDK TV reported earlier this week that the XFL will be coming to St. Louis, with five of the team's 10 regular season games being played at The Dome at America's Center. The venue was formerly known as the Edward Jones Dome, and the NFL's Rams played there prior to moving to Los Angeles in 2016.

Instead of using a franchise model with individual owners, the XFL will own all of the teams in the league. A television/media rights deal for the XFL has yet to be announced.

WOO! WHO'S PUMPED? ANYONE? ANYONE?
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Post by: The Valeyard on November 29, 2018, 10:58:45 AM
Eight teams, eh? Bring on the Oakland Pillagers.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Broward on December 01, 2018, 03:24:17 PM
Apparently Houston is getting a team
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Broward on December 01, 2018, 03:26:01 PM
https://www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/1026677-all-xfl-cities-revealed/amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by: fazzle on December 01, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
Seems like a wasted opportunity to have all 8 cities be ones that already have NFL teams.
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Post by: Harley Quinn on December 02, 2018, 03:28:33 AM
For anybody who can't access the above link. Not too surprising, I think 4 of them (Dallas, LA, NY, TB) had XFL teams too.

The 8 Cities
"Dallas - Houston - Los Angeles - New York - St. Louis - Seattle - Tampa Bay - Washington, DC"
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Epic Reine on December 02, 2018, 03:31:33 AM
Kind of odd that Chicago was omitted.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: DorianS on December 02, 2018, 07:33:35 AM
If it really is true that Vince wrote this past week's Raw, then yeah. Please let this come faster so that he gets as far away from the product as possible.
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Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 02, 2018, 10:31:11 AM
I can't imagine NYC, LA, DC and Seattle being receptive to this league.

Tampa though.
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Post by: Thrasher on December 02, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
The rumor is that the LA team will play in the Stubhub Center. I think they should play in Anaheim at Angels Stadium.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on December 05, 2018, 07:29:15 AM
https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/xfl-announces-start-date-team-cities-and-venues-271691
(https://www.f4wonline.com/sites/www.f4wonline.com/files/field/image/xflcities.jpg)

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Vince McMahon announced that the first season of the league's revival will begin on February 8-9, 2020, which is the weekend after the NFL's Super Bowl. XFL commissioner and CEO Oliver Luck said the start date gives them the time they need to get the game, the fan experience, and their partnerships right.

The inaugural season will feature eight teams. The host cities (which had already been inadvertently revealed on the league's website) and venues were confirmed today:

New York (MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey)
Dallas (Globe Life Park in Arlington, Texas)
Houston (TDECU Stadium in Houston, Texas)
Los Angeles (StubHub Center in Carson, California)
St. Louis (The Dome at America's Center in St. Louis, Missouri)
Seattle (CenturyLink Field in Seattle, Washington)
Tampa Bay (Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida)
Washington D.C. (Audi Field in Washington D.C.)
St. Louis is the only one of those cities without an NFL team.

Instead of having individual owners, all of the XFL teams will be owned by the league. Luck noted that they're well on their way to identifying their team presidents and head coaches. The coaches will also be the general managers of their teams. The XFL plans on filling the team president and head coach positions in the first quarter of 2019, which is also their timeframe for signing quarterbacks and other impact players.

Team names will be announced in the coming months.

Luck said he believes there's a big player pool they'll recruit from, including inviting players who are released when the NFL finalizes its rosters to try out. The XFL will scout, run mini-camps, hold local tryouts, and have an XFL draft and supplemental draft.

A television/media rights deal wasn't announced at today's event. Luck said they're "very excited about the meaningful and deep conversations we've had with all of the major media players about our distribution plans." He said the XFL is confident that their games will be widely available on multiple platforms when the league launches. McMahon also mentioned that there's a clamoring for live sporting events on many networks.

The XFL continued to push the idea of "reimagining" football, with Luck saying that they want to complement fall football. The four areas they're focusing on for the on-field product are the speed of the game, increasing meaningful on-field action, creating more in-game rhythm and flow, and improving player safety.

Luck said the XFL will test for performance-enhancing drugs.

It was noted that the XFL is watching the development of sports gambling in the U.S. The league is a proponent of giving fans a legal and safe way to participate in gambling.

Well he's gotten further along than I thought he would but it sure sounds terrible.
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Post by: Thrasher on December 05, 2018, 03:30:59 PM
I still don't get how it makes sense to have teams where there are already teams. Are Seahawks fans going to be fans of the Seattle team?

Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 05, 2018, 03:32:58 PM
Are Seahawks fans going to be fans of the Seattle team?

/wackowalrus
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 05, 2018, 03:35:14 PM
I need to see what stadiums these teams are playing in even though I have literally zero interest in watching this. Any stadiums owned by the team will not allow them to play there.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 06, 2018, 04:05:12 AM
I need to see what stadiums these teams are playing in even though I have literally zero interest in watching this. Any stadiums owned by the team will not allow them to play there.

IIRC I read that the XFL worked out deals when setting up host cities to utilize specific stadiums in the agreements thus the naming of venues.

"New York (MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey)
Dallas (Globe Life Park in Arlington, Texas)
Houston (TDECU Stadium in Houston, Texas)
Los Angeles (StubHub Center in Carson, California)
St. Louis (The Dome at America's Center in St. Louis, Missouri)
Seattle (CenturyLink Field in Seattle, Washington)
Tampa Bay (Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida)
Washington D.C. (Audi Field in Washington D.C.)"

I'm all for more football and so I don't outright hate the concept. It sounds like the XFL will likely innovate some ideas that the NFL will steal down the road (again) but the actual on-field product will be subpar as well. If the XFL were smart, it'd target a lot of college prospects who would likely go undrafted/and or be drafted in lower rounds AFL vs. NFL style and let them develop rather than focusing on NFL retreads and cut talent.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: KingPK on January 22, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: Retweeted by Observer account
SBJ: "The XFL is deep in discussions with Fox and ESPN, in a pair of deals that would see games on ABC and Fox." Deals could be announced as early as next week. Full story is behind the paywall. https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2019/01/21/In-Depth/Football-leagues-media.aspx

Makes sense given that CBS has the Alliance of American Football on deck.  It will be interesting to see how football starved the American audience actually is with (probably) three pro leagues going and college.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 07, 2019, 05:24:24 AM
Bob Stoops has been named the GM/HC of the Dallas team. Pretty big get.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: pujoljunkie on February 08, 2019, 03:19:15 AM
If the XFL were smart, it'd target a lot of college prospects who would likely go undrafted/and or be drafted in lower rounds AFL vs. NFL style and let them develop rather than focusing on NFL retreads and cut talent.

I'd go completely the other way and let the XFL draft kids out of high school. Pay players who would otherwise be subject to slave labor by the NCAA. Replace college football.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 23, 2019, 03:20:56 AM
Washington has now announced Pep Hamilton as the GM/HC while a press conference will be held Monday where it's expected that Jim Zorn will be the GM/HC of the Seattle team.
Title: Re: XFL to Return?!??!
Post by: Baby Shoes on February 25, 2019, 05:05:50 AM