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Title: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: Baby Shoes on January 14, 2019, 03:35:15 AM
Remember when Stephanie said WWE could be on par with Disney?  The group that managed the streaming capabilities of WWE Network got bought by Disney and WWE just left to a new group.  Probably unrelated but fun to make up stuff.  Here’s the article from Variety:

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/endeavor-streaming-wwe-customer-disney-1203107071/

UK Takeover in the books and we are getting closer to the Rumble.

RAW is set to feature Ronda/Sasha vs Nia/Tamina as well as an Intercontinental Title triple threat with Dean defending against Seth and LASH-LEY
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Post by: Thrasher on January 14, 2019, 03:42:37 AM
I'll admit in previous months, streaming old shows would be hit or miss. Even live PPV's would buffer but everything was fine in December using the service. I hope this company is good at streaming stuff.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 14, 2019, 06:36:15 AM
Jerry Lawler signed a new two year deal with a raise.  Wonder if that was in the books before AEW.

Sounds like in addition to preshow, the rumor is they are going to reunite the Cole/Lawler/JBL announce team for the men’s Rumble according to news on Rajah, which seems odd if true.
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Post by: Bladelock on January 14, 2019, 06:55:15 AM
Jerry Lawler signed a new two year deal with a raise.  Wonder if that was in the books before AEW.

Sounds like in addition to preshow, the rumor is they are going to reunite the Cole/Lawler/JBL announce team for the men’s Rumble according to news on Rajah, which seems odd if true.

Well, it's better than the abhorrent Heel Cole/disinterested Lawler/Matt Striker team from 2010/11 but still awful.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 14, 2019, 07:24:04 AM
I’M MARKING OUT BRO
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Post by: Bladelock on January 14, 2019, 08:06:54 AM
I’M MARKING OUT BRO

HOLY SHHHHHHHHH

AND YOU NAAAYYYYYVVVEEEERRRRR KNOW WHO WILL ENTER THE RUMBLE
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Post by: Love Harnesser Kamala on January 14, 2019, 08:07:29 AM
My WWE Network stream has been working beautifully the last month or so.

And let's get a Miz Vs Tigger match at WrestleMania someday.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 14, 2019, 10:37:45 AM
what an awful announce team. I've been watching too much old UWF with Jim Ross and Michael Hayes lately maybe but it makes ALL modern commentary seem awful, not just WWE.
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Post by: Tino Standard on January 14, 2019, 11:16:05 AM
Soooo...Strowman still not cleared for in-ring activites?
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on January 14, 2019, 11:16:06 AM
I missed that Braun, but he must still be injured too much to compete.


Edit: Please just put the belt on Drew.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 14, 2019, 11:19:03 AM
Not watching but just straight up say "hey braun is hurt and he cant make the show and he'll get his title shot as soon as hes healthy, instead we're ging to do an emergency one night tournament tonight on raw to choose a number 1 contender" instead of doing a goofy angle that turns viewers off.
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on January 14, 2019, 11:25:39 AM
Not watching but just straight up say "hey braun is hurt and he cant make the show and he'll get his title shot as soon as hes healthy, instead we're ging to do an emergency one night tournament tonight on raw to choose a number 1 contender" instead of doing a goofy angle that turns viewers off.

I just hate that there was at least a good chance that Braun was going to finally get the title and we could actually put it back on TV again. The Universal championship is literally the weakest belt in WWE. The Hardcore title is more prestigious right now.
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on January 14, 2019, 11:51:12 AM
Vince sounds horrible. He shouldn't be cutting promos. He's got three other people that could be doing that stuff. I mean, he can still be there and do his wacky entrance and stuff, but he can keep quiet.
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on January 14, 2019, 12:03:14 PM
If they're just going to keep the title on Brock till Mania, then this spot should have just been Bray Wyatt's.
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Post by: Love Harnesser Kamala on January 14, 2019, 01:22:52 PM
That segment with the PA walking in on a topless Alexa Bliss felt way way out of place with the current product. Something out of early-mid '00s WWE when they were grasping at straws to try and recapture the Attitude Era.

I guess it is a sign that Vinnie Mac is back.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 14, 2019, 01:36:53 PM
For those not watching RAW, Otis had the best debut in the history of our great sport

https://streamable.com/r80he
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Post by: fazzle on January 14, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
I'd really like to be excited for the prospect of Brock vs Finn, but this just feels like a match where Brock comes in the day of the Rumble and decides "Nah, I'm not selling for this geek."
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 14, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
Where do people get this idea of Brock being some big unprofessional from?
Title: Re: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: Hawk 34 on January 14, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
The Ambrose program
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 14, 2019, 02:44:37 PM
He hates Braun according to Joe Rogan. He also went on a podcast with Joe after Joe said that.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 14, 2019, 02:44:47 PM
and the njpw situation (that wasnt great on either end being fair) and some of his other behavior in the past.
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on January 14, 2019, 02:45:30 PM
Where do people get this idea of Brock being some big unprofessional from?

I think it's a combination of them kinda making that his gimmick (walks away with the belt, only shows up when he wants to, has 'special rules' according to Vince) but I don't think he's actually "unprofessional" in any sense other than when compared to other wrestlers who bust their asses week in and week out he just gets money thrown at him to do a bare minimum. Also there's whatever happened in the lead-up to and execution of the WMXX match...

I don't think there are any instances of him recently just 'not feeling it'. I actually think the way he is booked and the way his matches are laid out is mostly due to Vince, not Brock being a dick.

Edit: Forgot about that forgettable Ambrose match that could have made Dean a star.
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Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on January 14, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
For those not watching RAW, Otis had the best debut in the history of our great sport

https://streamable.com/r80he
Oh man George The Animal Steele 2K19
Title: Re: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: no fact, no matter on January 14, 2019, 04:02:37 PM
I mean to be fair, Brock had always done what he's been booked to do. I don't really buy Dean's comment on the Network version of Steve Austin's podcast that Brock "wasn't giving him anything."
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Post by: The Valeyard on January 14, 2019, 04:10:25 PM
Rumble looks like it'll be a fun show, anyhow. It'll be titties when magically cleared Braun gets #30 and kills everyone to a lukewarm reaction.
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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 14, 2019, 04:44:03 PM
Damn you just wanna take away Truths moment?!?   How dare you
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Post by: KingPK on January 14, 2019, 05:01:46 PM
Truth is just gonna come out at #3 because the MMC contract was upside down when he signed it.
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Post by: The Valeyard on January 14, 2019, 05:16:42 PM
Forgot all about Truth. This has to be the year they finally have everyone eliminate everyone and number 30 wins by default.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on January 14, 2019, 11:54:19 PM
I missed that Braun, but he must still be injured too much to compete.


Edit: Please just put the belt on Drew.

Listening to WOR and per Meltzer, Brock vs Finn was the idea form the start, and this was just a bait and switch to get people to fill up the stadium. Brock wanted to wrestle Finn last year at the RR but Vince didn't think Finn was over at the time.
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Post by: Tino Standard on January 15, 2019, 12:54:06 AM
Is it just me, or are the actual Rumble matches complete afterthoughts this year? Very little focus on the TV shows, hardly any speculation as to who will win. It’s odd.
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Post by: RedJed on January 15, 2019, 12:56:56 AM
I'd really like to be excited for the prospect of Brock vs Finn, but this just feels like a match where Brock comes in the day of the Rumble and decides "Nah, I'm not selling for this geek."

I'd normally agree but Lesnar already established he will sell for smaller guys and make it a competitive match. We saw this with Bryan at SS. So I have all the confidence this will be a really good match. I figure they will shoehorn a demon appearance for that event as well to give Finn more cred.

I could see some legit issues with Braun and Lesnar though as if I recall, one of their past matches saw Braun potato the fuck out of Lesnar which I'm sure there is some bad blood still about. Granted I would guess Lesnar is no innocent party in working stiff himself, but it seems unprovoked at the time when Braun got rough with him. I recall a receipt was given by Brock. Ultimately, I dont really care to see that program any much further (Braun/Brock) but now wondering if they are going to try to shove that to Mania. I hope not. But it wouldn't shock me.

Cena deserves a ton of props for last night. He really went above and beyond to put over Balor tenfold. Huge rub given. Great stuff there, and in general the story they told with Finn last night was really excellent.

Man, the IC title grab for Lashley was f'n out of nowhere. Not sure why they went there other than that Lashley desperately needs some credibility so this is the attempt. Not sure of the next step with Rollins and Ambrose or if that's it. Kind of strange booking there. I get the vibe Roman might be back soon and we start a Roman/Ambrose build with Rollins chasing Lashley (which seems like a underutilized position for him)
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 15, 2019, 12:57:45 AM
It's been like that for the past few years, honestly. I think Roman winning in 2015 was the last time the actual match was pushed hard on TV. Since the winner likely doesn't even main event WM, I guess they feel no need to play that up.

Last year's woman's Rumble was special because it was the first one. It's old news to them already so they figure "who cares?".
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 15, 2019, 01:19:57 AM
So what's Taker going to do at Mania this year? Do they actually limit him to a non-wrestling segment this year?
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Post by: Brodypedia on January 15, 2019, 01:25:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lb6X36YHsA
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Post by: RedJed on January 15, 2019, 01:39:09 AM
So what's Taker going to do at Mania this year? Do they actually limit him to a non-wrestling segment this year?

Braun has been totally neudered as a babyface chasing the belt as things stand now from last night, so honestly I think they should consider another heel turn for him and lead to Taker/Braun at Mania. Because the Lesnar/Braun momentum just isn't there anymore.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 15, 2019, 01:47:56 AM
Braun is best as a monster but a monster that does antics the crowd eats up.  He doesn’t need to catch up to Big Show with inexplicable turns.
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Post by: RedJed on January 15, 2019, 02:03:59 AM
Braun is best as a monster but a monster that does antics the crowd eats up.  He doesn’t need to catch up to Big Show with inexplicable turns.

I'd normally agree with that point but he looked like a total geek when he cowered down to Vince last night. That isnt going to do his babyface appeal any favors.
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Post by: Tino Standard on January 15, 2019, 02:38:15 AM
WWE really did it right with the design of those women’s tag titles. Those are sharp.
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Post by: Sabre on January 15, 2019, 05:34:53 AM
I’m the opposite. I don’t like them.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 15, 2019, 06:19:41 AM
At least they kept them in line with the male belts with the trim design and the Roman looking wreath/laurel. That said, I wonder how this works if they're basically the only title that is "floating" between brands now.

(https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2019/01/002_TITLE_10122018gd_0253--818a37d86ce7263e7aa815e035a30157.jpg)
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 15, 2019, 07:00:49 AM
For those not watching RAW, Otis had the best debut in the history of our great sport

https://streamable.com/r80he

The internet's reaction whenever someone leaks nudes of female wrestlers
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 15, 2019, 07:10:10 AM
I think the belts look really great. Sure as hell better than the Gladiator themed tag belts.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 15, 2019, 08:53:50 AM
Also way better than the original leaked design, that I thought was just someone messing around on WWE 2K, but apparently was based off of said leak (according to Belt Fan Dan):

(https://i1.wp.com/www.bodyslam.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/rumored-womens-tag-team-belts.jpg)

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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 15, 2019, 09:15:48 AM
For those not watching RAW, Otis had the best debut in the history of our great sport

https://streamable.com/r80he

The internet's reaction whenever someone leaks nudes of female wrestlers

To be fair, some of the internet probably did that when they saw Seth’s dick too
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Post by: geniusMoment on January 15, 2019, 09:27:33 AM
Having someone walk in on Alexa last night seems like an odd choice for a company that won't even let their announcers say "sexy" on air.  Then posting it on their youtube channel and having that already draw 4x the views as the actual announcement of the tag titles (it will quickly be the top viewed thing they've posted in weeks) seems odd as well.  Kinda hurts the whole revolution PR thing they've been shoving down the fans throats for the past 2 years.
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on January 15, 2019, 09:52:47 AM
I'm bothered by them knowing that the plan was going to be Finn vs. Brock for "a while" and waiting until now to set it up. They could have written out Braun the night he got attacked could just say he'd get his title match "eventually" and then build to Finn getting the shot over the last few weeks with a tournament or some other such storyline. If they didn't do the match last year because Vince didn't think Finn was over enough, doing it this way doesn't seem like it would help that image. I'm not saying Finn isn't over, but even this is just him getting the Bob Holly Rumble shot, they could still have built him up more so that even when he inevitably loses he comes out the other end looking stronger than when he went in.
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Post by: KingPK on January 15, 2019, 11:04:44 AM
Best cold open in WWE history.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 15, 2019, 11:28:19 AM
Did they just accidentally make Becky look like a punk? Or was it even an accident?

Also, are they trying to bring back a PG-13 version of "Crash TV," or something?
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Post by: KingPK on January 15, 2019, 11:36:05 AM
Covering Bryan in processed meat and condiments is the ultimate indignity.  Shit got real personal.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 15, 2019, 11:38:26 AM
bah gawd a hotel key and he DONT KNOW. That was a ton of mini-segments in just a few minutes and they all forwarded the storylines. I don't think Becky looked like a punk. She also cut a really good promo at the start about how everyone is trying to copy her and the difference between her and asuka.
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Post by: KingPK on January 15, 2019, 11:39:35 AM
Why not give it to the unmarried Uso?  Enter Mandy's Rose garden, if you will.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 15, 2019, 11:47:34 AM
Today I learned Corey Graves posts here
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 15, 2019, 11:54:00 AM
bah gawd a hotel key and he DONT KNOW. That was a ton of mini-segments in just a few minutes and they all forwarded the storylines. I don't think Becky looked like a punk. She also cut a really good promo at the start about how everyone is trying to copy her and the difference between her and asuka.

Oh, the promo was great. Which is a testament to how over Becky is, since I usually skip those things. I'm talking about how long it took her to dispatch Peyton Royce, compared to how Asuka made short work of Billie Kay.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 15, 2019, 12:20:37 PM
well WWE got its first MOTYC because that match was fucking INSANE
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Post by: KingPK on January 15, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
Holy fuck what a match between Mysterio and Andrade.  Felt like what a Takeover match would have been like between them if Rey made a guest appearance.
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Post by: Brodypedia on January 15, 2019, 01:22:56 PM
I am not sure I ever saw Otis in my sporiac Takeover watching, but his segment made me laugh and since we are in a post money drawing era, fuck it.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 15, 2019, 01:29:37 PM
If you only watched Takeover, you've sadly never seen Otis, Brody.  He never got on the main card, only the matches they filmed for a week later.

But he is great.
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on January 15, 2019, 01:30:27 PM
Okay, so will Shane/Miz win the tag titles? And if so, how? I am fully expecting Shane to dive in front of Miz and take the Brogue kick to set up the Skull Crushing Finale victory. But then when/how do they lose the belts? Do they use this team to help put over a different team or will it just go right back to The Bar?
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 15, 2019, 01:35:43 PM
Miz/Shane win but after Otis creeps on the Women's Rumble, Shane forfeits the titles to Heavy Machinery in awe of Otis the next night
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Post by: The Valeyard on January 15, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
Didn't watch, but my Facebook is SLAMMED with non-fans talking about how awesome the show is.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 15, 2019, 02:24:39 PM
The WWE toy line is pretty good about making a variety of guys past and present at this point.  Apparently the Red Rooster they made has been on delay for some time.  Someone got their hands on one so if you want it, get your Terry Taylor toy for a low $1,000!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWE-Red-Rooster-RARE-UNRELEASED-MATTEL-Elite-figure-Terry-Taylor/113557451052?hash=item1a708d312c:g:7B8AAOSwzodcPRF3:rk:1:pf:0
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 15, 2019, 02:43:22 PM
Holy fuck what a match between Mysterio and Andrade.  Felt like what a Takeover match would have been like between them if Rey made a guest appearance.
My only "negative" about the match: why does Vince still have such a bug up his ass about last names?
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 15, 2019, 03:23:55 PM
Apropos of nothing, how common is it for a wrestler from a team to get a singles push, and not only do the partners feud, but they technically never even actually break up? The "Marty" of the team just falls back, and takes a support role.

For some reason, off the top of my head, the last team I can think of that would describe what I'm talking about is Men on a Mission, but it has to have occurred more recently than that, right?
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Post by: Brodypedia on January 15, 2019, 11:42:49 PM
If you only watched Takeover, you've sadly never seen Otis, Brody.  He never got on the main card, only the matches they filmed for a week later.

But he is great.

In that case, I have a new favorite wrestler.

GIVE ME MORE HOSSES!
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on January 16, 2019, 02:02:12 AM
My only issue with the Rey/Almas match was the unnecessary way the ending was booked. The Vega interference didn't really give Almas an advantage. There's nothing illegal about knocking a guy off the top rope and him landing on his nuts. Excessive distractions are a distraction for me, as a viewer. Had the diversion of the referee allowed Almas to clock Rey with a foreign object sure, it works. That was a clean finish which was built to look otherwise, and I'm not entirely sure why.

Don't get me wrong here, that shit was nuts and hats off to both men. Some spots I'd never seen before since I'm not really dialed in to any kind of Lucha work or whatever, and I'm happy to see such a groundswell of support for the match. My own single gripe and need to voice it should speak volumes for how much I was invested in it.
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on January 16, 2019, 02:04:57 AM
Also, I enjoy that to make Becky look bigger backstage (as they do with everyone to be fair), the backstage interviewer was wearing thin flip-flops.
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Post by: Love Harnesser Kamala on January 16, 2019, 02:08:50 AM
Okay, so will Shane/Miz win the tag titles? And if so, how? I am fully expecting Shane to dive in front of Miz and take the Brogue kick to set up the Skull Crushing Finale victory. But then when/how do they lose the belts? Do they use this team to help put over a different team or will it just go right back to The Bar?

Haven't watched Smackdown! but I'm assuming Shane and Miz win at the Royal Rumble then lose titles via miscommunication at the February PPV to set up their match at WrestleMania.

Also what happened to the Bar and Sanity being in titles scene? Was that just one week, lame duck pre tape storyline that they forgot?
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on January 16, 2019, 02:14:16 AM
When was the last time we had a top belt change hands at the Rumble? Ignoring the 2016 Rumble where a major championship defense was Roman Reigns against everyone, is CM Punk dropping the strap to The Rock the last time? It feels like the Rumble produces successful defenses of the top championship because so much hype is placed on the Rumble match itself.

I'm just trying to figure out how much I'll be let down when Finn loses to Lesnar and gets shunted down to midcard hell. The only way to salvage it (if they want to truly go all in on Finn) is to have him lose his match with Lesnar but then win the Rumble and challenge him again at Wrestlemania with a storyline of "I've encountered this once before, now I know what to do and that strap is mine." Okay, they won't say "strap," but you know what I mean.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 16, 2019, 02:17:54 AM
Cena beat AJ two years ago at the Rumble for the world title.
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on January 16, 2019, 02:25:56 AM
Oh yeah, that reign was so brief that I forgot about it.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 16, 2019, 05:52:37 AM
So interesting piece following the inevitable Miz/Shane Title win -
Spoiler: show
Bludgeon Brothers have been cleared to return
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 16, 2019, 06:18:30 AM
Apparently Andrade Cien Almas is just now Andrade. Oh Vince...
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Post by: Mik on January 16, 2019, 07:04:18 AM
There is a lot of chatter going around that the Revival either asked for their release after Raw or there was some type of incident that is leading people to believe they are done with WWE.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 16, 2019, 07:07:27 AM
If this is attributed to Dash Wilder being a dumbass on social media, I think we're better for it.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 16, 2019, 08:40:01 AM
Revival had a run of bad luck and timing with injuries when they hit the main roster.  They finally seemed back on track this summer but then were jobbed to the B-Team.  That truly felt like the point of no return.

I never thought they would translate to main roster in its current form, as much as I loved some of their NXT matches.  They are a great fit for what All Elite is aiming to do.

Dash has trademarked #FTR recently, Dawson keeps tweeting it and last night tweeted a quote from his daughter about him being home.  Now is the timing for them to get out and clear 90 days to be free for Double or Nothing.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 16, 2019, 11:13:09 AM
Unless WWE freezes their contracts a la Neville.
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Post by: Love Harnesser Kamala on January 16, 2019, 11:14:27 AM
Mike and Maria Kanellis also requested their releases.

Watch ROH overpay for them and run a new Kingdom Vs old Kingdom as their main event feud for the second half of 2019.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 16, 2019, 11:25:11 AM
I thought Mike and Maria would be lifers considering WWE just paid for Mike's rehab and financially supported Maria during her pregnancy.
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Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 16, 2019, 11:36:37 AM
Cool to see a couple of workers out carny the WWE into paying for rehab and maternity leave.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 16, 2019, 11:52:38 AM
Revival were always prime examples to me of an act that weren't going to work on the main roster but worked great in NXT. When they have time to work long matches that they've worked on for awhile then they're fantastic. But working a short tag match on Raw they don't stand out at all. They haven't shown anything on promos either and the constant injuries and twitter stuff just iced it. They'll be way better off going to AEW where they'll almost certainly be able to work the kind of matches that play to their strengths.

Mike and Maria played WWE perfectly it seems like. I'm sad they're leaving because they had the greatest fucking theme of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpS9oFx-OT4

so fucking awesome
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Post by: CookieMueller on January 16, 2019, 05:02:28 PM
bah gawd a hotel key and he DONT KNOW. That was a ton of mini-segments in just a few minutes and they all forwarded the storylines. I don't think Becky looked like a punk. She also cut a really good promo at the start about how everyone is trying to copy her and the difference between her and asuka.

Oh, the promo was great. Which is a testament to how over Becky is, since I usually skip those things. I'm talking about how long it took her to dispatch Peyton Royce, compared to how Asuka made short work of Billie Kay.

Yeah but Billie Kay sucks.
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Post by: strummer on January 16, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
Metzer says Revival asked for their release immediately following their match on Raw Monday.  They were still in their gear. 
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Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on January 16, 2019, 11:53:33 PM
Cool to see a couple of workers out carny the WWE into paying for rehab and maternity leave.
post / av
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 17, 2019, 01:58:35 AM
I saw another report, unsure of the source, that although Revival and the Kanellises may be asking for their releases, WWE does not plan on entertaining such requests at this time.  So it may likely wind up like the Neville situation where they don’t want them around miserable but not letting them free.

Mike and Maria getting that WCW stay at home money.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 17, 2019, 02:41:51 AM
http://nodq.com/news/549742895.shtml
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Dolph Ziggler, who has not appeared on WWE television since his steel cage match with Drew McIntyre on New Year’s Eve, is another name that is rumored to be leaving the company soon. Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com noted that Ziggler had reportedly turned down an offer to become a producer for WWE. Johnson added that ”sources claim he remains under a WWE deal (and some there have denied he is exiting at all) but others have been some pointing to 1/31 as an exit date.”

Nick Nemeth/Kenny Omega AEW invasion on Feb 1! Actually those two in a match would be pretty dope.
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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 17, 2019, 02:51:39 AM
I feel like he would pick a very 80s sounding name instead of his actual name, something that somehow makes Dolph Ziggler sound reasonable. 
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 17, 2019, 02:53:24 AM
Max Power
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 17, 2019, 02:58:27 AM
bah gawd a hotel key and he DONT KNOW. That was a ton of mini-segments in just a few minutes and they all forwarded the storylines. I don't think Becky looked like a punk. She also cut a really good promo at the start about how everyone is trying to copy her and the difference between her and asuka.

Oh, the promo was great. Which is a testament to how over Becky is, since I usually skip those things. I'm talking about how long it took her to dispatch Peyton Royce, compared to how Asuka made short work of Billie Kay.

Yeah but Billie Kay sucks.

Agree to disagree.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 17, 2019, 03:02:28 AM
Max Power

Rambo Matrix
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 17, 2019, 05:59:22 AM

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Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 17, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
Just give EC3 the Cena program
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 17, 2019, 06:37:09 AM
The Lars thing is so weird to me.  If he has legit anxiety/mental health issues how did this never come up in NXT?  Debuting on the main roster in a main event WM push with John F'N Cena is a huge amount of pressure no doubt......I can see that being overwhelming for someone who's relatively green....but there were no warning signs that he wasn't ready for it?

Just kind of weird...
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Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 17, 2019, 07:03:51 AM
He probably got the Enzo and Miz treatment and was kicked out of the locker room and couldn't handle it. Most of the wrestlers he shitted on back when he was on a bodybuilding forum are RAW talent now and are back in the WWE so isn't out of the question they would do this.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 17, 2019, 07:06:05 AM
Jeff Hardy popped him for being called gay back in 2002.
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Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 17, 2019, 07:25:11 AM
A big green lummox who is slated for a Cena Wrestlemania program and the talent knows nothing about him except a messageboard account linked to him recently where he insults most of them, talks about how he loves beating off to Stephanie, and how much he hates minorities when the WWE probably has it's most diverse roster in recent memory. Doesn't matter what era they're in when it comes to the culture backstage... someone like that isn't gonna be exactly welcomed with open arms.
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Post by: fazzle on January 17, 2019, 07:33:40 AM
The Lars thing is so weird to me.  If he has legit anxiety/mental health issues how did this never come up in NXT?  Debuting on the main roster in a main event WM push with John F'N Cena is a huge amount of pressure no doubt......I can see that being overwhelming for someone who's relatively green....but there were no warning signs that he wasn't ready for it?

Just kind of weird...

Wasn't he supposedly in line for a title feud against Aleister Black at one point, and then he was mysteriously absent from a set of tapings with no explanation given?
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 17, 2019, 07:36:45 AM
I didn't know anything about the message board stuff.  That's freakin hilarious
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 17, 2019, 07:37:53 AM
The Lars thing is so weird to me.  If he has legit anxiety/mental health issues how did this never come up in NXT?  Debuting on the main roster in a main event WM push with John F'N Cena is a huge amount of pressure no doubt......I can see that being overwhelming for someone who's relatively green....but there were no warning signs that he wasn't ready for it?

Just kind of weird...

Wasn't he supposedly in line for a title feud against Aleister Black at one point, and then he was mysteriously absent from a set of tapings with no explanation given?

Well the title feud did happen and culminated at NXT Takeover Chicago last year with Black going over. He did disappear shortly after that though.
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Post by: fazzle on January 17, 2019, 07:50:49 AM
The Lars thing is so weird to me.  If he has legit anxiety/mental health issues how did this never come up in NXT?  Debuting on the main roster in a main event WM push with John F'N Cena is a huge amount of pressure no doubt......I can see that being overwhelming for someone who's relatively green....but there were no warning signs that he wasn't ready for it?

Just kind of weird...

Wasn't he supposedly in line for a title feud against Aleister Black at one point, and then he was mysteriously absent from a set of tapings with no explanation given?

Well the title feud did happen and culminated at NXT Takeover Chicago last year with Black going over. He did disappear shortly after that though.

Wow.  I don't remember that match AT ALL
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 17, 2019, 08:48:52 AM
That math happened but there was a weird stretch where he did disappear for a while that makes more sense with this.  I don’t remember the timeline but this seems like the second time now he’s been too incapacitated to perform.

I’m with KOAB - give Cena to EC3.  Saw some rumor with no source about EC3 getting programmed with Ambrose for Mania - at this point, that would kill him.  The promos for Cena-EX3 would be crazy entertaining if nothing else.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 17, 2019, 09:03:51 AM
Killian Dane and Nikki Cross got engaged

I remember hearing they were an item before but didn’t realize they’ve been together ten and a half years
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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 17, 2019, 10:00:00 AM
Brother they got married
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on January 17, 2019, 10:52:21 AM
Dane looks like a completely different person

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50513940_10156666596961885_418631192485560320_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=e390a8900f08ec1c9f8d63feb5e28578&oe=5CD0E30E)
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 17, 2019, 11:29:27 AM
Married makes more sense - just saw a little blurb somewhere - sorry for the fake news

I would not recognize Dain in that picture at all
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Post by: KingPK on January 17, 2019, 11:37:15 AM
I had no idea.  Makes her riding on his back to the ring when they were in Sanity even more adorable.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 17, 2019, 11:53:41 AM
I love Nikki and Sanity is a great act.  No clue why they're wasting them on SD (aka doing jack and shit with them when they could totally get over huge) and no idea why Nikki isn't with them.

I liked her RAW debut because she's great, and it didn't seem like the crowd knew her/how to respond but she got over during the course of it.  I didn't watch SD yet but she randomly shows up "shaking the USO PEN' wtf. 

Sanity's NXT run and the stuff with AOP and Undisputed Era, plus Nikki's solo stuff, was some of my favorite NXT shit in the last few years
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 17, 2019, 12:06:16 PM
Sanity could never get over.
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on January 17, 2019, 12:10:08 PM
Sanity was always just a lower card filler tag act.  Think the Bolsheviks from 30 years ago.  AOP was a lot better so it is far more of a shame they are wasting them.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 17, 2019, 12:22:35 PM
Sanity could never get over.

Why the hell not?  An oddball group of misfits who are presented seriously as crazy hardcore and badass?  Yea, that's never gotten over in wrestling  ::)
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 17, 2019, 12:40:05 PM
Sanity could never get over.

Why the hell not?  An oddball group of misfits who are presented seriously as crazy hardcore and badass?  Yea, that's never gotten over in wrestling  ::)

They aren't good enough in the ring to get over.

I had typed out a response about how they fuck up all the time but I decided to delete it. But, yeah, they aren't good enough.
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on January 17, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Sanity could never get over.

Why the hell not?  An oddball group of misfits who are presented seriously as crazy hardcore and badass?  Yea, that's never gotten over in wrestling  ::)

They aren't good enough in the ring to get over.

I had typed out a response about how they fuck up all the time but I decided to delete it. But, yeah, they aren't good enough.

I also don't think they have much of a personality (aside from maybe Cross).  They are just dull.  Say what you will about a team like the Nasty Boys, but they at least acted like insane lunatics even if they weren't great in the ring either.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 17, 2019, 12:57:12 PM
We already had the wyatts go on for years and years which were basically a different version of the theme too.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 17, 2019, 01:20:39 PM
WTF?  I don't know how much much of Sanity in NXT you guys watched but Dane and Wolfe can both go for bigger guys, and Eric Young is a good "Michael Hayes" of the group who can work, bump and talk.  They were a great Freebirds style trio, with a great chick added to the mix

The WarGames with them and Undisputed Era and AOP is one of my favorite NXT matches ever.

The idea that "they couldn't get over on the main roster" is absolute horseshit to me, but to each their own
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Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 17, 2019, 01:30:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aauuSnq.gif)
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 17, 2019, 02:37:20 PM
http://nodq.com/news/549742895.shtml
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Dolph Ziggler, who has not appeared on WWE television since his steel cage match with Drew McIntyre on New Year’s Eve, is another name that is rumored to be leaving the company soon. Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com noted that Ziggler had reportedly turned down an offer to become a producer for WWE. Johnson added that ”sources claim he remains under a WWE deal (and some there have denied he is exiting at all) but others have been some pointing to 1/31 as an exit date.”

Nick Nemeth/Kenny Omega AEW invasion on Feb 1! Actually those two in a match would be pretty dope.

Adding fuel to the fire - he just opened a ProWrestlingTees store including merch with his real name.

Granted, Sami and KO still pop back up there and sell when they do angles about quitting and the Cruiserweights were maintaining shops on there but not as common for someone in Ziggler's spot.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 17, 2019, 02:41:16 PM
Now looking at this Ziggler stuff, I just saw he is doing a stand up show at the venue across the street from the Rumble immediately after the Rumble.  Bruce Prichard is doing a live show there that morning so I can only imagine the unique smells that venue will have.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 17, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
I hope Ziggler goes, he's been incredibly stale and boring forever and ever. There are so many guys who deserve a main roster spot and he's just taking up space. I can't imagine ever wanting to see him doing a different gimmick or anything but anythings possible.
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Post by: CookieMueller on January 17, 2019, 03:24:18 PM
bah gawd a hotel key and he DONT KNOW. That was a ton of mini-segments in just a few minutes and they all forwarded the storylines. I don't think Becky looked like a punk. She also cut a really good promo at the start about how everyone is trying to copy her and the difference between her and asuka.

Oh, the promo was great. Which is a testament to how over Becky is, since I usually skip those things. I'm talking about how long it took her to dispatch Peyton Royce, compared to how Asuka made short work of Billie Kay.

Yeah but Billie Kay sucks.

Agree to disagree.

Lol, hard for you to know since I don't think I've ever opined on the subject but Billie Kay is my favorite wrestler. I was joking at how the WWE treats her, she's only had 1 singles win since being called up, two tag wins but Peyton got the pin in both of those. Even in nxt Peyton would always get the pin if they won (which was even rare there) and Billie would eat the pin if they lost. They book her like she's the literal worst wrestler ever even though in SHIMMER she was fantastic and really over with the crowd no matter who she was in there with. It's pretty sad.
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on January 18, 2019, 01:16:36 AM
I hope Ziggler goes, he's been incredibly stale and boring forever and ever. There are so many guys who deserve a main roster spot and he's just taking up space. I can't imagine ever wanting to see him doing a different gimmick or anything but anythings possible.

Same.  Ziggler leaving is better for all of us.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 18, 2019, 01:34:47 AM
Footage of Akam and Drake Maverick in a shoot fight

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/ah7k0n/drake_maverick_vs_akam_in_a_hardcore_match/
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 18, 2019, 02:13:18 AM
https://www.gerweck.net/2019/01/17/ziggler-turns-down-an-offer-to-become-a-wwe-producer/

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Dolph Ziggler has removed his WWE name from his social media accounts, fueling speculation he may be leaving the company after January 31st. Ziggler last appeared on the December 31st episode of Raw, losing to Drew McIntyre in a steel cage match.

According to Mike Johnson, Ziggler turned down WWE’s offer to become a producer.

Ziggler announced in December that he would be touring the country doing a stand up comedy events.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 18, 2019, 03:16:06 AM
Lol, hard for you to know since I don't think I've ever opined on the subject but Billie Kay is my favorite wrestler. I was joking at how the WWE treats her, she's only had 1 singles win since being called up, two tag wins but Peyton got the pin in both of those. Even in nxt Peyton would always get the pin if they won (which was even rare there) and Billie would eat the pin if they lost. They book her like she's the literal worst wrestler ever even though in SHIMMER she was fantastic and really over with the crowd no matter who she was in there with. It's pretty sad.

Right? Like, I know that my feelings about these two women are complicated by my memories of them on the indies, but I don't know how anybody can look at KC Cassidy and Jessie McKay, and think that KC is the better prospect, so I feel like the only reason why Peyton Royce is considered better than Billie Kay is because... Triple H decided. I stipulate to being super-biased in that regard.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 18, 2019, 03:27:33 AM
I'm not super familiar with Billie outside of NXT but she's always been my favourite of the Iconic Duo. Her big boot delivery is on point to the level where I feel like she's actually kicking the face off of her opponent.
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Post by: Kahran Ramsus on January 18, 2019, 03:30:34 AM
I don't like either one.
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Post by: CookieMueller on January 18, 2019, 04:09:28 AM
Lol, hard for you to know since I don't think I've ever opined on the subject but Billie Kay is my favorite wrestler. I was joking at how the WWE treats her, she's only had 1 singles win since being called up, two tag wins but Peyton got the pin in both of those. Even in nxt Peyton would always get the pin if they won (which was even rare there) and Billie would eat the pin if they lost. They book her like she's the literal worst wrestler ever even though in SHIMMER she was fantastic and really over with the crowd no matter who she was in there with. It's pretty sad.

Right? Like, I know that my feelings about these two women are complicated by my memories of them on the indies, but I don't know how anybody can look at KC Cassidy and Jessie McKay, and think that KC is the better prospect, so I feel like the only reason why Peyton Royce is considered better than Billie Kay is because... Triple H decided. I stipulate to being super-biased in that regard.

Peyton is like 5 years younger. That's the only logical reason that I can think of.

I'm not super familiar with Billie outside of NXT but she's always been my favourite of the Iconic Duo. Her big boot delivery is on point to the level where I feel like she's actually kicking the face off of her opponent.

The boot is fantastic, I agree. When she hits it on girls of a certain height it's just brutal looking. On the indies she used a sitout uranage as a finisher that she executed really well. She also regularly hit hurricanranas which looked good because of her relative height. She had some great indie matches with people like Del Rey, Asuka, Ember Moon, Madison Eagles and most every other indie girl from the late-00s. I remember a really enjoyable 15-20 minute SHIMMER match with Nicole Matthews. And she was super over as a babyface for her whole run there.

Having said all that, she's in a different body now and I'm not sure how much of that she could even do anymore. I also think she has struggled with silent injuries for most of her time in nxt/wwe. She's had multiple concussions just that I'm aware of, and a few times she's just not wrestled for months.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 18, 2019, 04:40:28 AM
I just Googled her pre-WWE name and I didn't even recognize her at first..

(http://www.diva-dirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/4.jpg)
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Post by: CookieMueller on January 18, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
Yeah, you should definitely watch some of those pre-wwe matches, if you're at all into women's wrestling. If all you know is "Billie Kay" you're in for a real treat, imo.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 18, 2019, 07:31:51 AM
That nickname didn't do her any favors, though: "Everybody's Favorite Girlfriend" is wild problematic. I'm sure that it was meant to intone "The Girl Next Door," but the unfortunate implications... man.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 18, 2019, 07:35:07 AM
Yeah, that's a terrible nickname and am shocked it wasn't meant with any implications.
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Post by: HSJ on January 18, 2019, 08:39:44 AM
Jessie McKay was my first SHIMMER crush and I remembered she disappeared for a year and then somehow got signed. I thought she retired. But yeah, its clear they see more in Peyton than they do her.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 18, 2019, 09:15:45 AM
https://www.gerweck.net/2019/01/18/wwe-allegedly-asked-the-revival-for-three-months-to-change-after-release-request/
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Post by: Tino Standard on January 18, 2019, 10:00:59 AM
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If this went down as described here, that’s pretty shitty on Maria’s part. I get that wrestlers can’t be expected to address every rumor out there, but if you think Ryan Satin is big enough that you have to shoot down his reporting after his story comes out, maybe he was big enough that you should have given more than a “no comment” when he gave you the chance to set the record straight before the article was published.
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Post by: Epic for the Summer on January 18, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
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Ummmm.....
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 18, 2019, 02:43:18 PM
Jesus..
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 18, 2019, 03:17:14 PM
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 01:12:56 AM
Maria Kanellis did scam WWE though. I don't see the problem in that statement.
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Post by: no fact, no matter on January 19, 2019, 03:16:17 AM
Unless you have direct insight into their lives, and whether or not this was planned, and if it was planned whether WWE knew ahead of time and still signed them (they'd do it).. it's kind of shitty to call someone getting pregnant and going on mat leave a "scammer" just because it happened a few months after getting their new job. This happens in the "real world" all the time. Are those women "scammers" too?
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 19, 2019, 04:28:48 AM
I don't necessarily believe it was a scam but, it does indeed seem as though WWE was willing to work with Maria about her pregnancy. So, if it is true that she asked for her release, I am curious as to what would have changed between then and now that would make her decide to leave?
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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 19, 2019, 04:46:02 AM
She didn’t like how she and her husband were being used or didn’t get along with other talent or many possible scenarios.  Revival allegedly does the same and people react with a “good! I hope they go to AEW”.    Maria potentially does the same thing and she’s a scammer because....?
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Post by: Thrasher on January 19, 2019, 04:49:34 AM
Ryan Satin's an idiot. Nothing to see here.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 19, 2019, 04:55:19 AM
She didn’t like how she and her husband were being used or didn’t get along with other talent or many possible scenarios.  Revival allegedly does the same and people react with a “good! I hope they go to AEW”.    Maria potentially does the same thing and she’s a scammer because....?

Because she's a woman, duh.

These wrestlers don't owe whatever company they work for a goddamn thing.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 19, 2019, 05:21:52 AM
She didn’t like how she and her husband were being used or didn’t get along with other talent or many possible scenarios.
Hasn't she been on maternity leave, while her husband was in rehab? How were they supposed to have been used?
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Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on January 19, 2019, 05:52:04 AM
It's a "scam" because if you're a woman in WWE you're expected not to get pregnant. You're letting your personal life interfere with their plans, or something. They fired Dawn Marie for it many years ago and while they wouldn't do that now I'm sure their attitudes haven't changed.

I knew Mike and Maria were a dead act when they weren't even on the Smackdown right after the PPV where they debuted.
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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 19, 2019, 06:16:32 AM
Or you can be a Bella or Maryse and having a kid on your various reality show platforms where they can get something out of it and then they come back basically to do the same act they were doing before and while those acts aren’t full time because they have other interests and obligations they fulfill for the company, it shows the company largely doesn’t see it as a scarlet letter as it once did.  In fact, Maria was used essentially the same post pregnancy, which is to say, barely at all.

The old guard within the company certainly see female talent having pregnancies as a negative while the newer element of the company with how they’ve treated it at least publicly shows they have changed their perspective of it, mostly because they are more brand and socially aware with these things for the most part.

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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 19, 2019, 06:25:35 AM
More importantly,  WWE announced that Rey and Andrade will have 2/3 Falls Match on smackdown.
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 19, 2019, 07:30:14 AM
Or you can be a Bella or Maryse and having a kid on your various reality show platforms where they can get something out of it and then they come back basically to do the same act they were doing before and while those acts aren’t full time because they have other interests and obligations they fulfill for the company, it shows the company largely doesn’t see it as a scarlet letter as it once did.  In fact, Maria was used essentially the same post pregnancy, which is to say, barely at all.

The old guard within the company certainly see female talent having pregnancies as a negative while the newer element of the company with how they’ve treated it at least publicly shows they have changed their perspective of it, mostly because they are more brand and socially aware with these things for the most part.
When you put it that way, it is surprising that WWE never integrated Maria into Total Divas. You'd have to think that, had they thought to create that show during her first run, it would have been built around her.
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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 19, 2019, 07:34:53 AM
Or you can be a Bella or Maryse and having a kid on your various reality show platforms where they can get something out of it and then they come back basically to do the same act they were doing before and while those acts aren’t full time because they have other interests and obligations they fulfill for the company, it shows the company largely doesn’t see it as a scarlet letter as it once did.  In fact, Maria was used essentially the same post pregnancy, which is to say, barely at all.

The old guard within the company certainly see female talent having pregnancies as a negative while the newer element of the company with how they’ve treated it at least publicly shows they have changed their perspective of it, mostly because they are more brand and socially aware with these things for the most part.
When you put it that way, it is surprising that WWE never integrated Maria into Total Divas. You'd have to think that, had they thought to create that show during her first run, it would have been built around her.

Allegedly and this has been debated by all parties but at one point, Maria as well as Maryse once claimed the Bellas played against them and kept them from appearing on Total Divas.   Maryse obviously has since joined the show and got her own spin off, so either Maria wasn’t interested or she wasn’t asked.   
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Post by: Mr. S£im Citrus on January 19, 2019, 07:50:29 AM
Supposing, for the sake of argument, that there was any truth to those rumors, what would you reckon the chances are that renewed friction between Maria and the Bellas could have contributed to any potential dissatisfaction?
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 19, 2019, 08:17:22 AM
Let's focus on the REAL NEWS

MONGO outs OBAMA as a wrestling fan

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/01/steve-mongo-mcmichael-on-being-a-wcw-commentator-649990/

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The Chicago Bears won the Super Bowl after the 1985 season, but they didn't get to visit the White House due to the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. So when Barack Obama became President, he invited the team to the White House some 25 years after their victory.

"You know what [Obama] said to me," Mongo asked. "We're standing in line and he's shaking our hands and he said to me, 'You cut your ponytail off!' That's when I knew he was a wrestling fan. He knew me, he's from Chicago!"
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Post by: Hawk 34 on January 19, 2019, 08:31:44 AM
Wrestling fans become presidents.   Good news for President Tye Dye Guy in 2024! 
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 19, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 10:46:10 AM
Unless you have direct insight into their lives, and whether or not this was planned, and if it was planned whether WWE knew ahead of time and still signed them (they'd do it).. it's kind of shitty to call someone getting pregnant and going on mat leave a "scammer" just because it happened a few months after getting their new job. This happens in the "real world" all the time. Are those women "scammers" too?

Stop it. They were both floating around the Indies for years.  You're going to tell me that these issues suddenly and unexpectedly arrived the moment they signed with WWE? I don't have direct insight into their lives but use some common sense. Mike Kanellis had a drug addiction from three years prior to signing with WWE due to his knee injury. He knowingly withheld that information from the company (and according to Maria, from her too, but whatever), signed his contract with them, and then promptly used the company's generous rehab policy to have them pay.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the idea of motherhood wasn't a totally alien idea to Maria Kanellis before she signed her contract. She can run her life the way she sees fit and do whatever she wants. That doesn't change the fact that it's absolutely bad form to sign a new contract and then immediately make yourself unusable in regards to being used on television. I don't think it was an accident. I think it was planned and not a coincidence. Do I have proof? Obviously not but I don't think it's a giant leap to connect two dots here. Maria, knowing that she wasn't going to be getting her paid maternity leave if she continued to run around ROH and TNA, clearly decided to join up with WWE so she would be covered. Ronda Rousey has also made it known that she wants to become a mother too, but she has at least pledged to give the company a solid year or two before trying to become actively pregnant. This is what you do when you're acting in solid faith with your employer.

If somebody signs onto a company solely to get these benefits, takes full advantage of them, and then asks to be released from their contracts prematurely almost immediately afterwards without putting in some honest work, I would say it's pretty shitty behavior and an example of scamming the system.

Obviously WWE is considered to be an evil organization here so the mentality of this message board is "Fuck them. Take the company for every benefit you can." Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. It's still a bad look to sign with an organization on what looks to be seemingly false pretenses, use up any resource you can, and then try to split without even putting in the time afterwards to justify using those resources. Perhaps I'm looking at it from a management point of view, and not a worker-bee mentality, so I'm seeing things differently here. But I think their behavior here was shady at best.
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 10:48:37 AM
She didn’t like how she and her husband were being used or didn’t get along with other talent or many possible scenarios.  Revival allegedly does the same and people react with a “good! I hope they go to AEW”.    Maria potentially does the same thing and she’s a scammer because....?

Revival didn't use the rehab policy or the paid maternity leave immediately after arriving in the organization and then ask to leave pretty soon after they were finished. This is a terrible comparison.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 19, 2019, 11:16:01 AM
I never understood why WWE brought in Maria and Mike in the first place.  She allegedly had "heat in the back" at the end of her previous run.....and then they are signed and they do jack and shit with them.  Maria was great in ROH, not the biggest fan of Mike but he was solid and they had a good act going.....WWE just didn't even try to use them at all.  Why did they sign them?  They were over in ROH but it's not like they were any kind of threat to WWE

The only plausible thing that crosses my brain is they wanted them for Total Divas.....maybe?  Then she's knocked up and off TV and he's a pill junkie and they're like WTF

I don't know
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Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on January 19, 2019, 11:35:42 AM
Meanwhile, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the idea of motherhood wasn't a totally alien idea to Maria Kanellis before she signed her contract. She can run her life the way she sees fit and do whatever she wants. That doesn't change the fact that it's absolutely bad form to sign a new contract and then immediately make yourself unusable in regards to being used on television. I don't think it was an accident. I think it was planned and not a coincidence. Do I have proof? Obviously not but I don't think it's a giant leap to connect two dots here. Maria, knowing that she wasn't going to be getting her paid maternity leave if she continued to run around ROH and TNA, clearly decided to join up with WWE so she would be covered. Ronda Rousey has also made it known that she wants to become a mother too, but she has at least pledged to give the company a solid year or two before trying to become actively pregnant. This is what you do when you're acting in solid faith with your employer.

Dawg, WWE is worth almost 7 billion dollars and you're upset that an employee independent contractor who had already put in 5.5 years of work in a previous stint with the company didn't delay her first pregnancy until her late 30s for them when they didn't even seem interested in doing anything with her in the first place, AND you believe that the most ethical course of action would be for her to pay for the pregnancy out of pocket on an indy wrestler's salary. Your mindset seems to be that WWE owes nothing to their talent but is owed complete loyalty from them until they have drawn enough money to earn the right to have a normal life outside of work.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 19, 2019, 12:06:34 PM
There are so many assumptions in NYU's version of events. Also lol at him implying doubt that Maria lied about not knowing about Mike's addiction.
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 01:07:27 PM
Meanwhile, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the idea of motherhood wasn't a totally alien idea to Maria Kanellis before she signed her contract. She can run her life the way she sees fit and do whatever she wants. That doesn't change the fact that it's absolutely bad form to sign a new contract and then immediately make yourself unusable in regards to being used on television. I don't think it was an accident. I think it was planned and not a coincidence. Do I have proof? Obviously not but I don't think it's a giant leap to connect two dots here. Maria, knowing that she wasn't going to be getting her paid maternity leave if she continued to run around ROH and TNA, clearly decided to join up with WWE so she would be covered. Ronda Rousey has also made it known that she wants to become a mother too, but she has at least pledged to give the company a solid year or two before trying to become actively pregnant. This is what you do when you're acting in solid faith with your employer.

Dawg, WWE is worth almost 7 billion dollars and you're upset that an employee independent contractor who had already put in 5.5 years of work in a previous stint with the company didn't delay her first pregnancy until her late 30s for them when they didn't even seem interested in doing anything with her in the first place, AND you believe that the most ethical course of action would be for her to pay for the pregnancy out of pocket on an indy wrestler's salary. Your mindset seems to be that WWE owes nothing to their talent but is owed complete loyalty from them until they have drawn enough money to earn the right to have a normal life outside of work.

I’m certainly not upset about it. It doesn’t affect my life whatsoever. I just don’t give them a pass for behavior I find exploitative. But why does it matter that she put in 5.5 years of work previously? She had been out of the organization for years. It has nothing to do with the fact that she signed a *new* contract with them to start a *new* stint with the company. Your argument about ethics is stunning though....you’re arguing it’s MORE ethical to sign a contract with an employer solely so you can take care of their maternity policy? I’m not saying I don’t understand her actions from a utilitarian point of view. I do. You obviously don’t want to sit home for months with a newborn and no paycheck if you have a way to get around it. But what she did, while understandable, is totally unethical, whether it was that she did it against a mom-and-pop business or a billion dollar company. That’s the whole point of discussing the ethics of an action.

I also think you’re taking a big leap by saying that I implied that the wrestlers owe WWE complete loyalty. I never said anything of the sort and I disagree with that statement in fact. Anyone is free to jump to greener pastures if they feel it would be best for them. I’m saying that I think it’s low class what they did in particular because they took advantage of the company’s policies the second the ink was dry on their contract. And when WWE down the line possibly re-reviews their rehab policy or the amount of time they provide on maternity leave to avoid being taken  advantage of again, they’ll be looked at as the bad guys instead of the people who gamed the system and forced them to reevaluate.
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 01:13:10 PM
There are so many assumptions in NYU's version of events. Also lol at him implying doubt that Maria lied about not knowing about Mike's addiction.

Considering this forum has always jumped to conclusions on absolutely every topic under the sun, this comment is rich. I’m sure absolutely every single one of us here is guilty of jumping to a conclusion on a wrestling matter, sports matter, hell....even each other as evidenced by many of the topics in General Chat. I am taking the facts and I’m drawing reasonable conclusions. You can feel free to disagree with all of them if you want but let’s not sit here and pretend that anybody who posts here is above “making assumptions”.

Do I find it suspicious that Mike Kanellis somehow hid a THREE YEAR drug addiction from his wife and she had absolutely no idea it was going on while they were traveling together and practically with each other 24/7? Seems a little odd to me. But we live in a society where thankfully nobody lies and we can always take everyone at their word no matter what they say.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 19, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
Did they actually "game the system" though?  Like, with Mike, they wouldn't have signed him if there were major red flags RE: Wellness?!  Also, they knew Maria, she'd been in the company for years......

The idea that the signed there to make a baby and get treatment for whatever addiction is kind of insane.  Maybe that is what happened, but I really, really doubt it
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 19, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
There are so many assumptions in NYU's version of events. Also lol at him implying doubt that Maria lied about not knowing about Mike's addiction.

Considering this forum has always jumped to conclusions on absolutely every topic under the sun, this comment is rich. I’m sure absolutely every single one of us here is guilty of jumping to a conclusion on a wrestling matter, sports matter, hell....even each other as evidenced by many of the topics in General Chat. I am taking the facts and I’m drawing reasonable conclusions. You can feel free to disagree with all of them if you want but let’s not sit here and pretend that anybody who posts here is above “making assumptions”.

Do I find it suspicious that Mike Kanellis somehow hid a THREE YEAR drug addiction from his wife and she had absolutely no idea it was going on while they were traveling together and practically with each other 24/7? Seems a little odd to me. But we live in a society where thankfully nobody lies and we can always take everyone at their word no matter what they say.

honestly bro......drug usage can be done succesfully without the people closest to you knowing how much you do it.  Trust me on this. I know from personal experience.  I also know that you think everything is A-OK, then it spirals, and you need help

You are talking from a preachy "I don't know WTF I'm actually talking about" pedestal

Trust me brother.  I know from real life experience.
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 01:30:50 PM
Did they actually "game the system" though?  Like, with Mike, they wouldn't have signed him if there were major red flags RE: Wellness?!  Also, they knew Maria, she'd been in the company for years......

The idea that the signed there to make a baby and get treatment for whatever addiction is kind of insane.  Maybe that is what happened, but I really, really doubt it

I don’t think the idea is insane at all. You see it happen somewhat often. People who were unemployed and start a new job will put off going to a doctor or a dentist until they know their health insurance has kicked in. Otherwise they’re looking at massive medical bills. I think it’s more reasonable to figure they said “now is a great time to have a baby” rather than thinking the rehab and the pregnancy were both just wild coincidences that happened to be announced at roughly the same time and coincidentally just happened to be right after they signed their contracts.

I definitely don’t think they would have signed Mike had they known about his issues. He’s not exactly Kenny Omega and they just had to have him.
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
There are so many assumptions in NYU's version of events. Also lol at him implying doubt that Maria lied about not knowing about Mike's addiction.

Considering this forum has always jumped to conclusions on absolutely every topic under the sun, this comment is rich. I’m sure absolutely every single one of us here is guilty of jumping to a conclusion on a wrestling matter, sports matter, hell....even each other as evidenced by many of the topics in General Chat. I am taking the facts and I’m drawing reasonable conclusions. You can feel free to disagree with all of them if you want but let’s not sit here and pretend that anybody who posts here is above “making assumptions”.

Do I find it suspicious that Mike Kanellis somehow hid a THREE YEAR drug addiction from his wife and she had absolutely no idea it was going on while they were traveling together and practically with each other 24/7? Seems a little odd to me. But we live in a society where thankfully nobody lies and we can always take everyone at their word no matter what they say.

honestly bro......drug usage can be done succesfully without the people closest to you knowing how much you do it.  Trust me on this. I know from personal experience.  I also know that you think everything is A-OK, then it spirals, and you need help

You are talking from a preachy "I don't know WTF I'm actually talking about" pedestal

Trust me brother.  I know from real life experience.

My man. Let’s just say you have no idea where i speak from and what my experiences are.

I am not the only one here who jumps to conclusions, it seems.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on January 19, 2019, 01:40:18 PM
So think the Mike/Maria debate needs to get in its own thread now since the blurbs that the weekly thread serves purpose for are getting buried in hard-hitting analysis
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Post by: Amy pats fan on January 19, 2019, 01:42:10 PM
I'm not jumping to any conclusions brother.  You've been the one doing that.  You suggested that they had some kind of nefarious long term "game the system" plot.  That says a lot about the way your brain works.   The release ask might just be that they feel their talents were being wasted.....which is totally legit if true IMO

I'm just gonna stop here.  I have no ill will towards anyone involved here.
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Post by: NYU on January 19, 2019, 01:51:54 PM
I'm not jumping to any conclusions brother.  You've been the one doing that.  You suggested that they had some kind of nefarious long term "game the system" plot.  That says a lot about the way your brain works.   The release ask might just be that they feel their talents were being wasted.....which is totally legit if true IMO

I'm just gonna stop here.  I have no ill will towards anyone involved here.

My man, we were talking about this Mike/Maria situation in which we have differing opinions but we have the same information to go by. I’m interpreting the facts in a different way than everyone else here is interpreting the facts. And that’s okay. But then you threw in that I stand on a preachy “I don’t know WTF I’m talking about” pedestal in regards to my experience with drugs which, considering you don’t know the first thing about me — not even my first name — it’s a weird thing to say and certainly jumping to a conclusion.

At this point, I’ve said what I’ve wanted to say. Maybe my brain isn’t working right and i need to bust out my tin foil hat because I’m seeing a conspiracy that isn’t there. Maybe Maria and Mike jump to AEW and she decides to have baby #2 a month after signing with them. At this point, she can do whatever she wants.. I can’t believe I’ve spent this much time talking about her or her husband.
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Post by: fazzle on January 19, 2019, 01:55:22 PM
I'll just say that whether or not the "join WWE, go to rehab, get pregnant, ask for release" series of events was an intentionally planned out scheme or not, it still seems like it's something that would be a GIANT red flag to any potential future employers.
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Post by: cobainwasmurdered on January 19, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
As someone who has been an addict and has known numerous addicts, you absolutely can hide it from some people especially if that person is in denial.

We don't know She was planning to get pregnant when they joined, or that she knew about his addiction. We don't know what WWE knew about her plans. We don't know if they really did ask for their releases. She's denied it.

Someone mentioned Maria having lockerroom problems in her last run. That was a rumor about her and the Bellas having issues and the Bellas later said it wasn't true and they wanted her to come back.
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Post by: The Valeyard on January 19, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
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Post by: NYU on January 20, 2019, 12:44:22 AM
We don't know She was planning to get pregnant when they joined, or that she knew about his addiction. We don't know what WWE knew about her plans. We don't know if they really did ask for their releases. She's denied it

That’s like saying “We don’t know if he killed that guy. Yeah, there was a bloody knife next to where he was standing. And yeah, his fingerprints were on that knife. And yeah, his hands were all covered in blood. But he’s denied doing it so we really don’t know.”

Sometimes you can read between the lines and make a judgment call. Again, for all I know, I could be totally wrong and everything that happened with them was on the up-and-up. But I smell bullshit with this situation and I made that opinion known. Not to turn this political at all, but for example....honestly speaking, we don’t know with 100% certainty if President Trump wants to build this wall for solely political reasons or because he genuinely wants to stop illegal immigration. Deep down we probably know, but we can’t say unequivocally what his mindset is because we are not in his brain. Yet that hasn’t stopped any of us from having opinions or making assumptions about his actions or his behaviors. We are taking the facts, cutting through what we deem to be bullshit, and then drawing a conclusion on what is going on. That’s what I’m doing here, and my conclusion is different than yours or anybody else’s.
Title: Re: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on January 20, 2019, 12:50:41 AM
Mike and Maria are a married couple. I can confidently say they were fucking before and after they were signed by WWE. Which birth control measures they were taking I do not know but nothing short of tubal ligation would have been fool-proof. I don't think it's immoral that they didn't base their family planning decisions solely around their employer.
Title: Re: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: Baby Shoes on January 20, 2019, 07:58:31 AM

They announced 10 today.  All current roster women expected to be in it.  Some already announced but not all.  They plan on announcing ten more tomorrow so hopefully they mainly announce the others that weren’t “revealed” today already announced so we still keep some surprise and intrigue in the Rumble itself.
Title: Re: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 20, 2019, 08:41:27 AM
I'm sorry if I came too hard at NYU.  I've never had any issues with you bro.  No hard feelings hopefully.  For all we know you're correct.

I just think the more likely thing is they just want out because they're not being used at all, and with AEW and all the options out there, they should.  WWE has treated them well aside from being used, and Mike has been super outspoken about how they basically saved his life, but if I put myself in their shoes I want to work
Title: Re: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: Saints_Fan_H on January 20, 2019, 10:38:04 AM
Administratively speaking, you're not legally allowed to discriminate against an applicant that is pregnant. That said, if you're conducting interviews for a position that has a learning curve, months of training, or is physically demanding, and the applicant offers up without prompting, "I'm in a great mood, we just found out I'm pregnant!" will you be objective from that moment on? Knowing, you'll hire this applicant just for them to be unavailable to wrestle if it's wrestling, fight fires if it's fire fighting, lift patients if it's EMS, or just to do the job if it's an office job with a lot of learning etc... until 9 months + maternity leave? Objectively. I know this is a pretty progressive forward thinking group but we are still human and flawed.

So if they were trying they wouldn't have said anything and I doubt they'd cop to it anyway. And if they weren't, well hell yeah they have every right to be annoyed at all of us beating the story like a dead horse. What if a condom broke? The pill ain't 100% either. Some of us are pro-choice, some of us aren't. And if they aren't, who's got the balls to say "you need to abort it to keep your position?" (yeah I'm getting far-fetched)

And for Mike's addictions: put me down in the column of loved one had a hidden addiction that no one knew about until the guilt crushed them into opening up. On a small minor insignificant scale: My wife hid that she had taken up smoking (again) for MONTHS. I know cigarettes aren't the worst thing in the world but it's known I'm not a fan of the habit. We share a home, a bed, etc... We're very close and affectionate, pick a lot, tickle fights, etc... I never detected it. Never smelled it. Never stumbled across hidden packs. Never found receipts or strange charges. She opened up we got through it, now she only really does it socially when drinking and I've lightened the fuck up about it. She also went through a pill phase that I was clueless about and again, we worked through it and she's narcotics clean and only takes her controlled prescriptions as prescribed.

So I respect Mike for overcoming his struggles, I don't question it a bit that he was able to hide it. And did he pull a fast one on the WWE, also? I don't know but I'm glad he's clean and he and his wife seem to have a strong marriage through a lot of shit.
Title: Re: TWIW 1/14/19 - 1/20/19: Screw Cody, We Goin For Disney!
Post by: Sabre on January 20, 2019, 04:37:34 PM
Karma springs to mind with all this to be honest. (The wrestler not the actual karma.)