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Title: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 19, 2019, 04:54:17 AM
Players finally start putting on the pads and pre-season games are just weeks away. What are you watching for your team(s)?

Big news is that Tyreek Hill will not be suspended this season. We also have one of our first practice/TC injuries with Denver LB Todd Davis out 3-4 weeks with a partial calf tear.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on July 19, 2019, 12:37:27 PM
I want to see the Packers offensive scheme. Do we go to a 3WR default like the Rams did? LaFleur has a lot more talent at his disposal in Green Bay than in Tennessee. I also don't think the Packers deviate from a running back by committee setup.

The Packers defense won't have much in preseason that shows much. That's what I'm really looking forward to this season.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 19, 2019, 10:39:38 PM
For the Patriots I'm mainly looking at...

#1: How the LB group shakes out. Ja'Whaun Bentley is back healthy and they have Jamie Collins back in the fold but they have a pretty locked in group already at the top. Does Christian Sam take the step forward necessary to stick on the roster? I figure they currently have 4 LB Spots locked in: Hightower, Van Noy, Roberts, and Brandon King (ST Ace).

#2: The final RB spot battle, likely between Rex Burkhead and Brandon Bolden. Bolden's a ST coverage cog and can chip in at RB. Can Burkhead do enough to hold onto his roster spot? How does rookie Damien Harris effect this battle?

#3: Which UDFA flashes and makes the roster? There are some notable names including WRs Jakobi Meyers & Ryan Davis, TE Andrew Beck has a chance to stick on the PS, and Slot CB D'Angelo Ross and S Malik Gant both have a chance to make a name on ST.

#4: Belichick clearly went bigger at WR: Maurice Harris, N'Keal Harry, Dontrelle Inman, Jakobi Meyers, and Demaryius Thomas are all listed at 6'2+. Belichick's long tried to find a consistent 'big' WR for the outside so it'll be interesting to see who in this group stands out. Harry has the most buzz obviously but Harris and Inman are names to watch. Thomas, if healthy, can be very productive too but that's a legit question mark.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on July 20, 2019, 03:16:18 AM
I want to see if LaFleur can make it to the regular season before Rodgers murders him.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 22, 2019, 04:13:27 AM
Jarran Reed has been suspended 6 games for Seattle while Julian Edelman is dealing with a thumb injury and will miss multiple weeks (not that he really needs it).
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 23, 2019, 03:17:07 AM
Redskins released Mason Foster, a guy I've been a fan of since he hit NFL Draft circles a while back. Reportedly clashed with the coaching staff last year so it was just a matter of time for this scenario to occur. He should be signed pretty quickly by another NFL team.

Atlanta signed DE Allen Bailey who should fill in as a rotational DL option. He'll also reunite with assistant coach Bob Sutton, which was probably a key part in the signing as well.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on July 24, 2019, 02:57:54 AM
?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

WOW~

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Meanwhile Dean Lowry and his 7 career sacks got 21 million over 3 years from the Packers.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on July 24, 2019, 03:47:15 AM
https://youtu.be/zibzY_7VIec

Good night, Sanchise :(
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 24, 2019, 04:36:17 AM
?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

WOW~

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Meanwhile Dean Lowry and his 7 career sacks got 21 million over 3 years from the Packers.

Makes me think they see Lowry as a younger, similar talent to Daniels. Started just 8 games last year but had 3 Sacks and 44 tackles on top of a 2 Sack/32 tackle campaign the year prior. Biggest difference is that Daniels is a Pro-Bowl level talent at DT but they have some guys waiting in the wings such as Kenny Clark, Kingsley Keke, and Montravius Adams.

Other things of note: Daniels is coming off an injury, was a UFA for 2020, and would be 31 years old. Maybe Green Bay decided his production wasn't worth the age/cap cost if they can get similar production from multiple players who are younger & they can lock up longer term.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 26, 2019, 12:30:02 AM
Free Agents starting to get signed: WR Allen Hurns lands with Miami on a 1 year deal worth up to $3 Million. Jaguars signed CB/STer Josh Robinson.

In injury news, WR Sterling Shephard broke his thumb and is week to week for the Giants.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Saints_Fan_H on July 26, 2019, 09:04:09 PM
I found out today that Saints WR Michael Thomas is holding out.

Also, Saints signed Ziggy Hood.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 26, 2019, 10:12:53 PM
Lions upgraded their DL added Mike Daniels to a 1 year deal for $9.1 Million. Also the 49ers signed TE Niles Paul who's bounced around the league for a while. He's served as a depth TE but has never matched his 2014 numbers where he had 35+ catches and over 500 receiving yards.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Aero on July 27, 2019, 04:31:29 AM
The hits keep coming for the Giants receivers: Golden Tate suspended four games for PEDs.

Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on July 27, 2019, 04:59:23 AM
Golden Tate has an interesting defense for his PED. Says it comes from a fertility drug from a doctor, immediately found out afterwards that the prescription had a thing he couldn't take, and immediately discontinued use and reported it to the NFL's program.

I think he's got a case to knock that to a warning (with tons of tests) or a single game.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on July 27, 2019, 12:10:49 PM
AJ Green hurt his ankle.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on July 28, 2019, 06:40:52 AM
Actually AJ Green tore some ligaments and is out 6-8 weeks.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 28, 2019, 06:52:13 AM
Actually AJ Green tore some ligaments and is out 6-8 weeks.

Probably makes him doubtful for Week 1, which would be around 7 weeks away. Bengals kind of lucked out in this scenario as it could've been much worse.

Also looks like Washington will be trading Trent Williams at some point as he basically refuses to play for the team again.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on July 29, 2019, 04:18:41 AM
Saints released WR Cam Meredith.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on July 30, 2019, 08:09:05 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27286164/fins-coach-tabs-fitzpatrick-leader-qb-battle

my god this guy is still around winning starting jobs in the AFC East.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on July 30, 2019, 08:12:58 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27286164/fins-coach-tabs-fitzpatrick-leader-qb-battle

my god this guy is still around winning starting jobs in the AFC East.

After he wins the Dolphins job he has one job left to win

Spoiler: show
(https://purepng.com/public/uploads/large/new-england-patriots-logo-symbol-ucp.png)


EDIT: shit missed the AFC East part. Takes away the suspense for sure
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on July 30, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27286164/fins-coach-tabs-fitzpatrick-leader-qb-battle

my god this guy is still around winning starting jobs in the AFC East.

rip josh rosen
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on July 31, 2019, 07:36:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0XTM3vZjvI

BWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHA
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on July 31, 2019, 07:40:54 AM
PETERMEME'S REDEMPTION IS COMING
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on August 01, 2019, 02:40:04 AM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 01, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
Boselli was the best tackle in football in the late 90s.  He'd be an easy Hall of Famer if he didn't get hurt.  Taylor was around a long time, but he was nowhere near as good a player.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: AA484 on August 01, 2019, 10:28:04 AM
I'd vote for Jimmy Smith.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on August 01, 2019, 11:50:58 PM
GB Sports radio says the Packers OL has been trash so far in practice.  So either all the new pass rushers are going to the Pro Bowl or ARod is going to the morgue.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 02, 2019, 11:06:52 AM
Probably the morgue.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 02, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
I'll be hopeful and say the defense is going to be sick.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 02, 2019, 11:12:20 PM
Patriots signed WR Cam Meredith and placed him on the PUP list. If he's still there at the start of the season, he'll miss the first 6 games of the season.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 04, 2019, 03:53:01 AM
A bit of a stunner here as Texans waived RB D'Onta Foreman, but some rumblings that Houston had grown tired of Foreman's lack of work ethic. Houston currently has rookies Damarea Crockett & Karan Higdon as well as Josh Ferguson & Taiwan Jones behind Lamar Miller at the moment. Ferguson and Jones both have experience as return men, which should bolster their roster chances.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 04, 2019, 06:34:07 AM
Wow. Even more baffling is why would they not have drafted someone if they had already started getting pissed at him. What a dumb franchise. It'll be interesting to see where he goes.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 04, 2019, 09:08:48 AM
Wow. Even more baffling is why would they not have drafted someone if they had already started getting pissed at him. What a dumb franchise. It'll be interesting to see where he goes.

They had way more pressing needs than RB IMO. It sounds like they were hoping Foreman would come in with a serious work attitude to challenge Miller after missing last year but that wasn't the case.

Part of me thinks Houston was just tired of waiting for this guy to get his act together and figured cutting him now would let them see what they have with their other RBs and possibly sign guys who won't make the 53 of other teams later on.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 04, 2019, 10:44:40 AM
I'm really wondering more if Foreman looked really toasted from that Achilles injury and that was the main reason for cutting him. This was Foreman's 3rd season with the team. If they had any question about the guy's work ethic they should have thought addressing running back would have been wise. They needed OL help but damn that's poor roster management. Figure out some way to get a RB in the mid-rounds. A guy like Rodney Anderson who has starter potential would have been a perfect late stash for them. But, this is also an organization that fired their GM in June.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 04, 2019, 11:49:06 AM
Brady signed an extension through 2021, so we know what half the AFC Championship game will still be for at least the next few years.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 05, 2019, 02:42:27 AM
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Bills OT LaAdrian Waddle suffered a torn quad and is expected to miss the 2019 season. Curse of the SCAR continues... making dudes retire with New England, cutting 'em down on other teams.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cartman on August 05, 2019, 03:28:33 PM
Brady signed an extension through 2021, so we know what half the AFC Championship game will still be for at least the next few years.

Kinda...it's really only a way to give Brady a slight raise this year and push his cap hit out over a 3 year span. After this season ends he is a FA, and the final 2 years of this new deal are voided. The $10mil cap hit stays for each of the next 2 seasons. If they want him back next year it will basically be a new deal altogether. It's just a way to play with the cap and nothing more.

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Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 05, 2019, 03:52:52 PM
Yeah, I read later that Brees has a similar contract.

I'm guessing this is both to protect Brady from being stuck as the backup/mentor if the Pats decide to move on (dude just wants to play) and keeps the cap hit reasonable if the fabled "cliff" happens this year and Brady retires.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 06, 2019, 06:37:58 AM
In humorous NFL injury news... A source with knowledge of the situation tells NBC's Chris Simms that Antonio Brown is dealing with frostbitten feet after "entering a cryotherapy machine without the proper footwear."
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cartman on August 06, 2019, 07:41:24 AM
Wow...what a clown.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 06, 2019, 12:04:14 PM
The Steelers were right to dump him.  It seems like he has serious mental issues.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 06, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
It isn't frostbite. He practiced a few days ago and took pictures of his feet. He has blisters from training on the beach.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Saints_Fan_H on August 06, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
Did they have the Raiders sign Ollie just so HBO could be like "lol Last Chance U" and shit all over him and the show?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 07, 2019, 07:24:17 AM
It isn't frostbite. He practiced a few days ago and took pictures of his feet. He has blisters from training on the beach.

Everything coming out is that it's more than just training on a beach, even amongst Raiders personnel.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001039303/article/raiders-antonio-brown-dealing-with-frostbitten-feet

"As far as the backstory -- what led to this -- what I was told, talking to a couple Raiders people, basically the story that they are saying is that Antonio Brown used a cryogenic chamber without proper footwear and that is why his feet ended up the way they did. Certainly, some other questions medically, for his feet, how they ended up looking like that, how he trained through feet which are so badly injured he really can't continue to train. A lot of questions there. But at the very least, that is the story they are saying. Still day-to-day. Unclear when Antonio Brown is going get back out at practice."

Just seems like it's something more than just blisters from training on a beach that would sideline him for longer than a few days. The image looks way more than just blisters...

NSFW
Spoiler: show
(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/79/4by3/2019/08/07/79a22a41be5a4bd3be44ccd6666b006d_md.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on August 07, 2019, 07:56:39 AM
based raiders gonna ruin the best wr in the game before a game is even played
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 08, 2019, 02:39:45 AM
Nick Bosa is dealing with a serious ankle sprain and will be out at least the entire pre-season.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 08, 2019, 02:51:52 AM
DUKE IS FREE!

Texans acquired Duke Johnson from the Browns in exchange for a conditional 2020 fourth-round pick. The pick can be bumped up to a 3rd Rounder based on conditions met.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Aero on August 08, 2019, 10:44:06 AM
Daniel Jones looked... not bad in his first series, going 5/5 for 67 yds and TD.

Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Aero on August 08, 2019, 10:46:45 AM
Also, another important development:

Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 08, 2019, 10:57:39 AM
LOL what the fuck is wrong with that guy
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Aero on August 08, 2019, 11:06:56 AM
Seems about right, a day after an article/profile on him was released with nuggets like:

- Typically sleeps about 4 hours or less a night.
- Texts coaches and players at all hours of the night.
- Bolted the hospital after his wife gave birth to one of his kids to ensure he was on time for a regularly-scheduled meeting with Peyton.

Weird guy, and I didn't do the last one justice. All that said, still like the hire, as much as one can before actual games are played.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 08, 2019, 12:28:43 PM
It's the first game of preseason but the Pats defense looks strong and feisty so far.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on August 08, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
LOL what the fuck is wrong with that guy

Well....
https://deadspin.com/adam-gase-is-a-short-sleeping-psycho-1837036615
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 08, 2019, 01:05:57 PM
Lions punt on 4th and 3 down 31-0.  It's fucking preseason, work on your 4th and short situations.

They also have -11 passing yards.  Patricia has work to do.

Edit: Stafford won't make it past week 5 if the regular Lions offensive line plays like this.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 09, 2019, 04:10:14 AM
Daniel Jones surprisingly impressed me in his first game.  If he keeps it up, he should start the season.  I'm just disappointed in the lightning delay cutting his night short.

Also, apparently Antonio Brown has gone AWOL on the Raiders.  They have no idea where he is or what he's doing.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 09, 2019, 04:23:35 AM
He might need someone to thaw him out like Encino Man
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on August 09, 2019, 07:39:32 AM
Also, apparently Antonio Brown has gone AWOL on the Raiders.  They have no idea where he is or what he's doing.

https://www.tsn.ca/report-oakland-raiders-wr-antonio-brown-threatens-to-quit-over-helmet-1.1348959
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on August 09, 2019, 08:15:34 AM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on August 09, 2019, 08:23:46 AM

read all of that
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 09, 2019, 09:38:09 AM
This stuff is hilarious.  The Bills sure dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 09, 2019, 11:13:02 AM
Daniel Jones surprisingly impressed me in his first game.  If he keeps it up, he should start the season.  I'm just disappointed in the lightning delay cutting his night short.

Also, apparently Antonio Brown has gone AWOL on the Raiders.  They have no idea where he is or what he's doing.

A lot of the reports out of camp have said how impressed everyone is with Jones. He's got great chemistry with his receivers. Maybe the brass wasn't as stupid as the media made them out to be?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 09, 2019, 12:37:44 PM

Relaxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 09, 2019, 09:43:53 PM
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/raiders/raiders-expect-wr-antonio-brown-back-soon-1822939/

"Although this is not a team policy, it falls on NFL clubs to ensure that players don’t conduct football activities in helmets that fail to meet the league’s safety standards. Such is the NFL’s directive: All equipment must be certified by the National Operating Committee for Standards and Athletic Equipment (NOCSAE).

This was conveyed to Brown on multiple occasions.

NOCSAE neither has allowed nor tested Brown’s helmet model because it is older than 10 years, a source said.

On Friday, Brown remotely participated in a Philadelphia-based conference call where an independent arbitrator heard his case, a league source said. Representatives from the NFL and player union also participated, and the arbitrator’s ruling is expected next week, a source said.

Brown’s helmet in question appears to be a Schutt Air Advantage.

Virginia Tech University regards this model as a “two-star” helmet on a five-star safety system.

“It’s not something we recommend people wear,” said Dr. Stefan Duma, a helmet safety expert and founding director of Virginia Tech Wake Forest Center for Injury Biomechanics. "There are 15 different five-star helmets out there. He can pick any one he likes. He’s just not allowed to wear that one.”
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 10, 2019, 04:11:25 AM
Can the Raiders void his contract if he refuses to play?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 10, 2019, 04:53:33 AM
On the bright side, it's not like the Raiders were used to Brown being part of the team.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 11, 2019, 07:21:04 AM
Offseason for KICKERS be booming, dawgs! ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Ravens traded K Kaare Vedvik to the Vikings for a 2020 fifth-round pick. Also Jets signed K Taylor Bertolet after Chandler Catanzaro announced his retirement.

Cleveland signed TE Rico Gathers and Denver's Theo Riddick is out 6-8 weeks with a fractured shoulder.

Other signing news: Jaguars signed OL Ben Ijalana. Bills signed LB Sam Acho (releasing OG Vlad Ducasse).
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 12, 2019, 07:53:50 AM
To the surprise of no one, the arbitrator ruled against Antonio Brown in Helmetgate.  We'll see now if his threat to retire was an empty one.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 12, 2019, 08:26:03 AM
He said he’s looking forward to getting back on the field. What a stupid story.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 12, 2019, 09:26:16 AM
He said he’s looking forward to getting back on the field. What a stupid story.

I'm sure the drama around AB will completely end now...
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 12, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
This is becoming an interesting storyline to watch: ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Redskins are telling other teams they are not trading Trent Williams. Williams is refusing to report to the team, willing to openly sit out the entire season while having already demanded a trade elsewhere. Washington has refused to budge and have now stated they are refusing to trade him (until an offer blows them away probably). For those who care about the numbers, PFF has graded him in the 80s or 90s from 2013-2017 and gave him a 74.0 grade last season.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 13, 2019, 02:20:19 AM
Even crazier is that it's because he refuses to play for the team with their current training staff. Snyder is a moron.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Hawk 34 on August 13, 2019, 07:20:48 AM
Bengals are moving Jeff Driskel to WR.     Maybe see if he can play guard first?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 13, 2019, 09:31:39 AM
This is becoming an interesting storyline to watch: ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Redskins are telling other teams they are not trading Trent Williams. Williams is refusing to report to the team, willing to openly sit out the entire season while having already demanded a trade elsewhere. Washington has refused to budge and have now stated they are refusing to trade him (until an offer blows them away probably). For those who care about the numbers, PFF has graded him in the 80s or 90s from 2013-2017 and gave him a 74.0 grade last season.

Williams is right to refuse to play for them if he doesn't trust their medical staff.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 13, 2019, 12:39:41 PM
Andrew Luck might miss the start of the season with a high ankle issue. 
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on August 14, 2019, 07:03:11 AM
Going to see the Chargers/Saints practice tomorrow. Should be a lot of Saints/Drew Brees fans in attendance.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Saints_Fan_H on August 14, 2019, 11:40:03 AM
Best part of Saints camp has been Pelicans draft pick Zion Williamson taking part in QB drills for shits and giggles.

Doubt he travels to the WC, though.

I'm glad Brees sat out the last game. That line is going to get someone killed if they don't gel, soon.

I'd assume the practice doesn't include too much Taysom Hill trickery. Seems like they're having him go straight QB when eyes are on him.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 15, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
Rodgers is out tonight with back tightness, so we will have to wait another week.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on August 15, 2019, 04:22:49 PM
Lot of Saints fans showed up today. I only stayed an hour and saw the Chargers QB's throw to receivers who were being covered. Also, I bought a Charlie Whitehurst jersey.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 16, 2019, 06:23:44 AM
Big blow for the New York Jets defense as LB Avery Williamson's MRI confirmed a torn ACL in his right knee and he'll be out for the year.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 16, 2019, 10:11:49 AM
Josh Gordon has been reinstated. I'm sure it won't last long.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 16, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Big blow for the New York Jets defense as LB Avery Williamson's MRI confirmed a torn ACL in his right knee and he'll be out for the year.

Chargers too as Derwin James has a stress fracture in his foot.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 16, 2019, 10:45:20 AM
Josh Gordon got reinstated.  Really hope he can keep things together this time.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 16, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
Anyone hear anything about Josh Gordon's reinstatement case lately?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 16, 2019, 02:18:29 PM
Anyone hear anything about Josh Gordon's reinstatement case lately?

No.  Has anybody said anything?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 17, 2019, 08:02:24 AM
Uncrowned AAF MVP Garrett Gilbert making his case for the Browns backup job.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 17, 2019, 03:49:26 PM
Chase Winovich might be something special for this defense.  Plus, he has good motivation: his grandma gives him $5 and chocolate every time he plays and doesn't get hurt.

 
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Hawk 34 on August 18, 2019, 02:54:44 AM
Cedric Benson died this morning.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 18, 2019, 05:13:36 AM
Jakobi Meyers has looked like the real deal for the Patriots. The Tight Ends are showing some flashes, especially on the Gronk-style seam routes downfield although the lack of blocking has also shown up. Will be curious to see if any TE locks down the #1 spot consistently or if it ends up as a rotational area.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 18, 2019, 12:00:51 PM
Cedric Benson died this morning.

He was hit by a minivan while riding his motorcycle.  RIP

In other news, Antonio Brown left the Raiders again over his helmet.  This is like something out of WWE.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 18, 2019, 12:15:23 PM
Total non-story. 
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 18, 2019, 12:20:16 PM
I'm beginning to worry the dude has brain damage. This is a pretty weird thing to still be fighting over at this point.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 18, 2019, 12:24:38 PM
Mike Mayock:
“Here’s the bottom line: He’s upset about the helmet issue. We have supported that, we appreciate that. But at this point, we’ve pretty much exhausted all avenues of relief. So from our perspective, it’s time for him to be all in or all out. We’re hoping he’s back soon. We’ve got 89 guys busting their tails. We are really excited about where this franchise is going, and we’re hoping AB is going to be a big part of it, starting Week One against Denver. End of story, no questions.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/18/mike-mayock-time-for-antonio-brown-to-be-all-in-or-all-out/
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 18, 2019, 12:42:16 PM
ANTONIO BROWN IS AEW
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on August 18, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
I'm beginning to worry the dude has brain damage. This is a pretty weird thing to still be fighting over at this point.
On Reddit, they think the Burfict hit changed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tfLncD3pGM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 19, 2019, 03:29:15 AM
I totally forgot that it was him who got that big blow that I said Burfict should've been canned entirely in the NFL. That looks like a car accident type of hit with the way his head flailed around.

Yeah... I can agree with that assessment.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 19, 2019, 03:33:00 AM
Supposedly Antonio Brown's been a diva/head case since his Central Michigan days. He was expelled from Florida International for an altercation with security prior to landing at CMU. There's a reason he was taken in the 6th Round.

Steelers have had a good history at hiding or covering up for their players though.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Aero on August 19, 2019, 09:32:58 AM
I remember the day when the Steelers deciding to pay Antonio Brown instead of Mike Wallace was a huge surprise. And I don't mean to suggest they didn't get their money's worth (over two contract extensions, in fact). It's just funny thinking about it now since I think I remember the media selling it as Wallace being too much of a distraction, while AB quietly went about his business and got paid.   
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 19, 2019, 09:49:21 AM
Brown was at training camp today.

I think a timeline is required here.

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Last year, the NFL banned specific helmet models previously worn by players like Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Even though those helmets had been determined to be unfit for further use by NFL players, the NFL gave them a full football season to process that decision, to explore alternatives (as Brady did, regularly embracing a new helmet before reverting to the old one, several times over), and to eventually pick a new helmet after the one-year grace period expired. Brown, whose helmet model of choice wasn’t prohibited by the league until late last week, isn’t getting that same courtesy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/19/drew-rosenhaus-were-still-trying-to-come-up-with-a-helmet-solution-for-antonio-brown/

So, as the bolded says, we have a double standard straight away. Changing a helmet is nowhere near as simple as it sounds. Brady couldn't find a new helmet he liked for a whole year and kept wearing his old hat.

- Brown has hurt foot. His agent was talking about legal action against the place this happened at.

- Brown practices with hurt foot, shows foot to reporter after practice. Raiders beat reporters talk about him having a pretty fucked up foot and were surprised he took the practice field.

- Brown misses next practice. I believe he is also not allowed to use his old helmet at this point.

- Brown leaves camp to get treatment on foot. Training camp is in Napa and it is not a place I would expect someone to get treatment for burned feet.

- Story about Brown's helmet comes out when he couldn't practice anyway.

- Media talks about him potentially retiring.

- NFL tells him he can wear that helmet model as long as he has a newer one.

- Brown finds newer model from 2014.

- Brown flies with the team to Arizona and takes some reps on the field before the game.

- Brown practices.

- Story breaks in the middle of practice that Brown cannot wear that helmet model at all even though the rules said he could.

- Brown stops practicing. Mayock makes comment about the Raiders wanting him all in or all out. You can't practice without a helmet, and he has an injured foot, so I don't really see what the problem is there.

- Brown shows up at training camp today. His teammates suggest on the same day that this story is media driven. There was no practice today.

At no point has Antonio Brown ever said that he would retire. It was unlikely he would play in the preseason at all, but with a messed up foot it's even more unlikely.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 19, 2019, 10:08:38 AM
Brown's agent said they and the Raiders had been talking about his helmet since March. If this dude didn't play for the Raiders you'd be eviscerating him for pitching a needless fit over a helmet issue, one that was previously known for months.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27419343/agent-says-ab-helmet-concern-safety-issue

Rosenhaus said it's a safety issue because AB "feels" unsafe.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on August 19, 2019, 10:10:59 AM
On Reddit, they think the Burfict hit changed him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tfLncD3pGM

I don't blame a guy for thinking too much about his helmet after a hit like that jesus christ
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 19, 2019, 10:14:39 AM
Brown's agent said they and the Raiders had been talking about his helmet since March. If this dude didn't play for the Raiders you'd be eviscerating him for pitching a needless fit over a helmet issue, one that was previously known for months.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27419343/agent-says-ab-helmet-concern-safety-issue

Rosenhaus said it's a safety issue because AB "feels" unsafe.

You know how to read, right? Even though he was going to have to change his helmet over the course of the next year, the helmet wasn't banned until last week. He was also allowed to change it to a newer model and the NFL up and banned that on Sunday. It says pretty clearly in the article I posted that Rodgers and Brady had a year to change their helmet after it was banned, the same standard should apply to everyone else.

I think there's been similar conversations on this board when players don't do anything in preseason. It doesn't matter until it's one of the 16 games that do matter. Yeah, let's send the dude out there with a helmet he isn't comfortable wearing so that he can get brained in a preseason game or at practice. That's clearly in the best interests of player safety. There are also clear differences in the helmet models someone can wear, at least there were when I played.


It isn't just Raider fans who think this.

Preseason and training camp is when this shit gets straightened out. In the regular season? I would want them to put him on NFI for his fucked up foot and get out of paying him entirely.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 19, 2019, 11:46:35 AM

They are arbitrarily applying the rules, so I wonder what happens after that.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on August 19, 2019, 12:26:55 PM
Just need him to win this a day before August 31st so I can draft him in the middle of the second round
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: JHawk on August 19, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
Between the Josh Gordon reinstatement and Brady getting the one year grace period on the helmet, this really isn't helping the NFL's "there's no conspiracy toward the Patriots" perception.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 19, 2019, 01:16:26 PM
From what I gather (and sorry if I'm repeating stuff) AB's helmet wasn't part of the original batch that was banned last year and those players (including Brady and Rodgers) were given a year to find a new one.  I guess they just recently put ABs model on the list and he was expecting the same year grace period,  but the NFL suddenly changed their minds.  If that's true, then he does have a case and I don't know why they just don't make it a simple clear policy.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 19, 2019, 01:31:32 PM
I was always under the impression that it wasn't a year long grace period for helmets that go on the banned list, but merely pushing back mandatory use of approved helmets until 2019 from what was originally 2018, this giving effectively a league-wide grace period of one season for every player.  I could be wrong, however.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 20, 2019, 02:38:02 AM
I was always under the impression that it wasn't a year long grace period for helmets that go on the banned list, but merely pushing back mandatory use of approved helmets until 2019 from what was originally 2018, this giving effectively a league-wide grace period of one season for every player.  I could be wrong, however.

Seems like there was a bit of a Grandfather clause for the 2018 season but Brady did try wearing a new helmet before going back to his old one for the duration of the season: https://www.si.com/nfl-new-helmet-rules-approved-prohibited-models-tom-brady-drew-brees

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Six of the 10 "prohibited" helmets cannot be worn in 2018; the other four—three Schutt models and the Riddell VSR-4 that has notably been worn by Patriots QB Tom Brady—can still be used by players who wore them in 2017, but not by new players.

Here's the 2019 list of helmets

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D39YVWbW0AE8bzA.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 20, 2019, 08:47:33 AM
If they only put AB's helmet on the list like a few weeks ago, then yeah. I can see why AB's so hot and bothered on the issue. That's a pretty shittystandard thing for the NFL to do.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 20, 2019, 09:23:36 AM

I told you guys. This is a non-issue, in terms of him actually playing football. If they don't approve his helmet he'll wear another one.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Hawk 34 on August 20, 2019, 10:24:48 AM
The helmet was just a distraction from the fucking feet. 
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 21, 2019, 07:39:09 AM
In actual cancerous news, we have



There was talk here this summer that he was going to pull a Bell and not play all season. The Chargers should just pay him, but they have the advantage of having two other talented running backs and don't really have to.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 21, 2019, 07:47:53 AM
In actual cancerous news, we have



There was talk here this summer that he was going to pull a Bell and not play all season. The Chargers should just pay him, but they have the advantage of having two other talented running backs and don't really have to.

Ekeler's had some success and they also saw how seamlessly James Connor filled in for Bell last year with Pittsburgh. I'm sure they think Ekeler and Jackson combined can make up for what Gordon gives them. Hard not to fault them for not wanting to pay Gordon the money he wants with the Bell/Connor precedent.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 21, 2019, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: Firmino of the 909
The Chargers should just pay him, but they have the advantage of having two other talented running backs and don't really have to.

That's exactly why they shouldn't pay him.  Also, he's not Bell or Zeke to begin with.  Gordon is nowhere near as good as they are.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on August 21, 2019, 04:41:56 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/21/chicago-bears-kicker-competition-obsession-cody-parkey-miss-matt-nagy-eddy-pineiro

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Former Notre Dame kicker Justin Yoon took issue with Nagy harping on Parkey's 43-yard miss. The Bears repeatedly in the offseason program called for their kickers to attempt field goals from 43 yards.

"It's not efficient for the team to continuously beat that one dead horse the whole time," Yoon said.

lmao
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 21, 2019, 05:17:53 PM
The incompetence described there is incredible.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on August 21, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
Nagy is a piece of shit
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 22, 2019, 04:48:29 AM

Firstly, this shouldn't be illegal.

Secondly, maybe I'm biased because I was his friend, but I don't see how they could get a conviction out of this. Someone broke into his house and the cops came to respond to an alarm call. While there they found coke. How do they know it's his? The cops come to check out your house after a break in and they put a charge on you? Only in America.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 22, 2019, 05:23:06 AM
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-04/21-plain-view.html

Obviously they couldn't arrest him right away but the coke triggered further investigation that I guess dug up something that warranted an indictment. 
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 22, 2019, 05:39:06 AM
Seriously? C'mon man... The cops can't disregard something that is breaking a law regardless if they are investigating something else.

"Sorry guys, don't mind the dead body in the corner!"

Also it's in his house, so it's in his possession. Same as if some junkie left shit in your car.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 22, 2019, 05:47:01 AM
Seriously? C'mon man... The cops can't disregard something that is breaking a law regardless if they are investigating something else.

"Sorry guys, don't mind the dead body in the corner!"

Also it's in his house, so it's in his possession. Same as if some junkie left shit in your car.

He wasn't home

If a junkie broke into your car and you had never been back to the car by the time the cops were searching it, you'd probably get off in the end.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 22, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
Cam Newton hurt his foot, potentially badly.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 22, 2019, 11:27:11 AM
Field conditions are so bad in Winnipeg that the Packers and Raiders are sitting everybody and they are forced to play on an 80 yard field.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 22, 2019, 11:48:28 AM
Please let this Patriots defense be this ferocious when it actually matters.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 22, 2019, 12:39:15 PM
Rashan Gary was sent out to play on the fucked up field and got hurt.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 22, 2019, 12:44:37 PM
I think Gary is already a bust anyways. 
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 23, 2019, 12:41:59 AM
For the type of system the Giants want to run, Daniel Jones has looked like a good fit for it. Still a reach where they picked him up, but he's at least not been terrible.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on August 23, 2019, 01:00:56 AM
Rashan Gary was sent out to play on the fucked up field and got hurt.

I didn't watch the game (yet), but apparently he was "hurt" twice.

Packers lost https://heavy.com/sports/2019/08/packers-raiders-equanimeous-st-brown-injury/ to injury. He was a draft pick last year, probably headed for the exit door.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 23, 2019, 08:25:36 AM
It sounds like St. Brown escaped with a high ankle sprain, but quite frankly he was being out played by Kumerow, so this could be a bit of a blessing in disguise.  I really think Kumerow has earned more playing time and should be the 4th wideout.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 23, 2019, 08:40:21 AM
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports free agent WR Justin Hunter has workouts scheduled with the Jets, Patriots, Ravens, Redskins and Texans.

Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 23, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
Why. He's been nothing but terrible. Better off with just some camp body than him.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 24, 2019, 12:31:11 PM
ANDREW LUCK IS RETIRING
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Aero on August 24, 2019, 12:33:47 PM
Holy shit, I had to triple check if the tweet I saw was real.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 24, 2019, 12:35:10 PM
ANDREW LUCK IS RETIRING

Holy shit!  More stunning than Barry Sanders?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 24, 2019, 12:37:24 PM
This is the biggest news event in years for the NFL. Lord.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on August 24, 2019, 12:37:37 PM
What the actual fuck.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 24, 2019, 12:38:11 PM
None of you even bothered to pick Brissett up in keeper league before me. For shame.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 24, 2019, 12:38:39 PM
This also starts to set a new standard in terms of career length, how much abuse players want to absorb before saying they're done, etc.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 24, 2019, 12:40:06 PM
This also starts to set a new standard in terms of career length, how much abuse players want to absorb before sahing they're done, etc.

Not really.  Not with guys like Brady and Brees sticking around so long.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 24, 2019, 12:40:54 PM
Luck has been injured more than almost any QB not named Troy Aikman or Steve Young. It makes perfect sense to retire.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 24, 2019, 12:43:06 PM
Luck has been injured more than almost any QB not named Troy Aikman or Steve Young. It makes perfect sense to retire.

Do you think the Colts were BSing when they were saying this latest one was just an ankle sprain?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Hawk 34 on August 24, 2019, 12:43:17 PM
His dad is the CEO of the XFL.   Connect the dots you idiots.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: The Amazing Rando on August 24, 2019, 12:46:41 PM
Man that 2012 Draft turned out to be kind of a mess.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 24, 2019, 12:47:26 PM
Luck has been injured more than almost any QB not named Troy Aikman or Steve Young. It makes perfect sense to retire.

Do you think the Colts were BSing when they were saying this latest one was just an ankle sprain?

No. Apparently it was also becoming a calf strain. I think he might have a disorder of some kind because his shoulder injury wasn't that bad to begin with and over the course of some weeks it turned into a completely blown shoulder that never healed.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 24, 2019, 12:49:43 PM
Andrew Luck retires and Lamar Miller tears his ACL.  Great night for the Jags!
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: strummer on August 24, 2019, 12:56:20 PM
Apparently Luck had been mulling retirement for weeks and just announced it today.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 24, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
Man that 2012 Draft turned out to be kind of a mess.

Russell Wilson and Nick Foles in the third round turned out pretty good.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 24, 2019, 01:02:01 PM
It's real sad. Luck was really fucking good, a quarterback who already looked like a professional in his senior year at Stanford. He was positioned to be the latest all-time great Colts QB. Unitas, Manning, Luck, it passed the eye test to me when Luck was on his game and healthy even just last year when they went on a winning tear once he got up to game speed.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 24, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Good on him.  The Colts are fucked, though (I shed no tears for them).
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 24, 2019, 01:18:41 PM
Colts have Jacoby Brissett, so aren't fully fucked, though they are going to have a hugely rough time.

For some reason I want to say the Colts walked into this because the line never ever kept him up right, but that could be me.

Sucks because Luck deserved better than this.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: oldskool on August 24, 2019, 01:20:38 PM
Luck's retirement leaked during a Colts preseason game.

A home preseason game. That he was on the sideline for!

Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 24, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
He's on the podium now.  Basically confirming he's tired of the injuries and rehab.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 24, 2019, 01:41:51 PM
Luck's retirement leaked during a Colts preseason game.

A home preseason game. That he was on the sideline for!


This should be the entirety of the Colts WYTS entry this year. 

He realized he had to do the right thing before he really fucked himself up because God knows the Colts weren't gonna protect him.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 24, 2019, 02:06:21 PM
I have to say, I'm highly disappointed in those fans booing Luck. With the amount of punishment that's happened, of course he wouldn't want to be hurt anymore. Shouldn't boo a guy for going "no mas". The mental part of it all is what will stop a lot of people and that's probably the case here. Not just the pain.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: strummer on August 24, 2019, 02:28:43 PM
Does he get in the hof off these 7 seasons? Well obviously he played a lot less than that. He was elite while he played but a real short career
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 24, 2019, 02:31:49 PM
No, absolutely not. He didn't win anything, didn't play in a Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 24, 2019, 02:41:02 PM
Yeah, no way he's getting into the HoF. He's definitely going to be one of those guys you look back on and go "if only".

And frankly, can someone burn down Indianapolis? I mean, geezus. How bad is your franchise that you've made the guy retire from injuries and mental fatigue.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on August 24, 2019, 06:34:07 PM
Luck's retirement leaked during a Colts preseason game.

A home preseason game. That he was on the sideline for!


This should be the entirety of the Colts WYTS entry this year. 

He realized he had to do the right thing before he really fucked himself up because God knows the Colts weren't gonna protect him.

You stole my thunder. I was all set to drop in with "At least Drew Magny will have an easier job next summer."
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: O.G. on August 24, 2019, 07:01:59 PM
As a Colts fan, this is horrendous. As an Andrew Luck fan, I'm happy he's getting out before it gets worse. The amount of abuse he's taken in 6 years is ridiculous:

» Torn cartilage in 2 ribs
» Partially torn abdomen
» Lacerated kidney that left him peeing blood
» At least 1 concussion
» Torn labrum in his throwing shoulder
» This mysterious calf/ankle issue that led to this

Fuck the fans that booed him. Absolutely classless.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on August 24, 2019, 07:06:10 PM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 24, 2019, 07:15:00 PM
Those fans who booed probably never put on a helmet. Of the ones who did they probably never got hurt on the field. People just don't understand. They think these guys should become addicted to opioids like they probably are, just so they can pull a helmet on and create life long damage to their body by hobbling down the field. There are so many things that happen on that field that do not go on the injury report, and this is the most physical sport in the world.

He has been unable to rehab numerous injuries, all of which got worse over the course of those rehabilitations. This isn't his fault and I'm not sure what he's supposed to do. People always act like these athletes are going to play 15 years, but that isn't the reality of things. The fact is that some of them are going to get hurt very frequently and have their time cut short. The Colts being the Colts and failing to get an offensive line in front of this dude, effectively killed his career.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kotzenjunge on August 24, 2019, 09:30:05 PM
Sadly, they finally had a good O-line in 2018, like possibly the best. Too late.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: fazzle on August 24, 2019, 10:34:48 PM
I was half expecting to hear that Schefters account was hacked last night when he broke the news.  Fucking all time shocker.

That said, any chance he decides to have another go at it in a year or two when he's feeling 100%?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 25, 2019, 12:11:54 AM
I don't think that'll probably happen. If he's retiring in the middle of pre-season, that's likely his body is just giving him so many problems that he just can't muster up enough to keep going.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: O.G. on August 25, 2019, 12:19:19 AM
I can't see it either. He's a very smart guy who's demonstrated a lot of interests outside of football. If his body is this bad that he's retiring mid-preseason and giving up $50+ million, I think he'll move on to a new career.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 25, 2019, 02:17:21 AM
Absolute stunner of a news story with Luck's retirement. I also don't think it compares to Barry or even Megatron because those guys played much longer while remaining relatively healthy by comparison.

Luck got the shit kicked out of him, missed an entire season, had some issues with the Colts medical staff and their diagnoses vs. what really happened, etc.

I think the Colts are lucky they have Brissett who's serviceable enough as a starter but I think the Colts go 6-10 at best this season. Biggest question is if they suck enough for a top tier QB or do they end up in the late Top 10 area?
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on August 25, 2019, 03:23:53 AM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 25, 2019, 04:23:12 AM
Yeah, fuck those Colts fans for booing.  Guy is hurt.  He didn't just quit out of the blue or is holding out for more money.

In other news, Antonio Brown lost his latest helmet grievance.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: THE TUGSTER on August 25, 2019, 04:36:32 AM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: THE TUGSTER on August 25, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Saw a conspiracy theory on Facebook that Brady is retiring after this season and Luck will return to replace him on the Pats.  I actually kind of hope this happens because it would be what every Colt fan shitting on Luck deserves.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 25, 2019, 05:07:13 AM
Saw a conspiracy theory on Facebook that Brady is retiring after this season and Luck will return to replace him on the Pats.  I actually kind of hope this happens because it would be what every Colt fan shitting on Luck deserves.

The Colts are tolling his contract so that he cannot play there, or in the XFL for three years after a potential return from retirement.

Brown is getting a helmet endorsement deal by the way.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on August 25, 2019, 06:19:17 AM
Saw a conspiracy theory on Facebook that Brady is retiring after this season and Luck will return to replace him on the Pats.  I actually kind of hope this happens because it would be what every Colt fan shitting on Luck deserves.

I saw the same kinda theory but replace Brady and the Pats with Brees and the Saints.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: MFer on August 25, 2019, 01:31:12 PM
I don't feel like posting them, but those Doug Gottlieb and Dan Dakich hot takes on Luck's retirement might be new lows for them, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on August 25, 2019, 02:31:09 PM

I....like Troy Aikman.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on August 26, 2019, 04:03:33 AM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 26, 2019, 04:32:02 AM
I love that the Patriots/Jets and Patriots/Colts are just so salty towards each other from the front offices on down. That's when you know it's a legitimate rivalry beyond the on field play.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 26, 2019, 05:02:59 AM
Honestly though, Bill probably looked and realized "oh hey, Brady's going to have an easier time against the Colts. Nice."
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 26, 2019, 11:35:19 AM
In other Pats news, C David Andrews has been hospitalized for blood clots in his lungs and is probably out for the season.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 26, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
Gonna be interesting how the OL shakes up behind the probable starters for New England. Right now the starting group looks like: Isaiah Wynn at LT, Joe Thuney at LG, Ted Karras at C, Shaq Mason at RG, and Marcus Cannon at RT. There's some continuity there on the right side and Karras has been around for a while and played multiple positions so he knows the system. Biggest factor will be how quickly he acclimates to handling the calls/directing his teammates.

Guys like Dan Skipper have flashed a little bit but others could be on the bubble such as Cole Croston and Martez Ivy. I think at least 2-3 of the rookie OL will end up landing on the practice squad.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 27, 2019, 06:45:44 AM
Some rumblings that Miami wants to trade for Clowney with Clowney having visited Miami and talked with Brian Flores as well. They recently cut several players, clearing almost $8 Million in cap space. Also Clowney fired his agent so that could be a sign he wants to report/get ready.

Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 27, 2019, 10:48:48 PM
The Athletic's Ben Standig reports the Redskins want to trade contract-year WR Josh Doctson prior to Week 1.

Detroit released RB Zach Zenner. A bit of a surprise move as he could fill a Rex Burkhead role for some team. Curious where he lands.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Krankor on August 28, 2019, 04:24:47 AM
Zenner really hasn't been overly used much by them the past few years. He usually has some nice moments when the other backs are hurt but then quickly disappears again.

I can't imagine anyone would give up much for Doctson either. Maybe someone offers them a 6th to kick his tires. Kind of have my doubts though.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 29, 2019, 01:54:55 AM
Teams trying to shore up their 53 Man rosters are starting to make deals now.

Titans acquired LB Reggie Gilbert from the Packers for a 7th-round pick.
Patriots acquired OT Korey Cunningham from the Cardinals for a 6th-round pick. Patriots acquired OG Jermaine Eluemunor from the Ravens for an undisclosed draft pick.

Bills signed K Stephen Hauschka to a two-year, $8 million extension through 2021.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on August 29, 2019, 03:58:42 PM
I hope Gunner Olszewski makes the team because of his name alone.  Stidham also looked really damn solid with the first string offense so I could see them keeping three QBs or trying to find a taker for Hoyer.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 30, 2019, 02:40:57 AM
Wow... Broncos acquired CB Duke Dawson from the Patriots. He was the 56th Pick but after landing on IR last year, he was caught in arguably the deepest group on the Patriots roster. I was wondering how he'd find a role so I'm curious what the Patriots got in return.

Jaguars released DT Datone Jones. Some beat reporters had him making their 53 Man Roster but the DL was too crowded and he lost out on the numbers game. He should surface somewhere pretty quickly.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 30, 2019, 05:01:05 AM
Patriots continue to shuffle the offensive line: Patriots acquired C Russell Bodine from the Bills in exchange for a 2020 6th-round pick. Also Denver got a 7th Rounder while New England got a 6th Rounder in the Dawson swap.

It's pretty clear that Belichick is trying to get a workaround for the injury to David Andrews and clearly wasn't happy at all with how the 2nd Team OL was performing this year.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 31, 2019, 03:19:44 AM
Big news of course is Houston trading Clowney to Seattle for a 3rd Round pick, Bark dawg Mingo, and Jacob Martin.

In other 'bust' news, Vikings finally gave up on WR Laquon Treadwell who I was never a fan of when they drafted him in the 1st Round.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Flik on August 31, 2019, 03:41:04 AM
Surprised Seahawks got him. I feel like that wasn't who would've gotten him.

Bills released LeSean McCoy. Probably are going to use Gore and Singletary as a 1-2 or just make Singletary the primary back. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up now.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on August 31, 2019, 04:23:00 AM
Lirl that Clowney trade is the worst I’ve seen in my life.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Gert on August 31, 2019, 04:58:33 AM
Yeah imagine giving him away for that haul. And maybe not inquiring with said team about a position of need when the other team have some of the best depth at that position in the league...

Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: fazzle on August 31, 2019, 05:23:45 AM
Going into the preseason I was hoping Singletary did enough to make the Bills feel comfortable releasing Shady and that ridiculous contract.  Now that they have released him though, I just don't feel like Singletary has shown that he's capable enough of handling the #1 back role.   I'm expecting a lot of screens and quick slants to Zay and Beasley to try and replace the running game.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 31, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
No idea what BOB is doing in Houston as he's trading for CB Keion Crossen from New England. Patriots are now expected to keep Gunner Olszewski on the roster, probably as depth ST Coverage and possible Punt Returner to let Edelman focus on WR.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on August 31, 2019, 12:08:52 PM
Bill O'Brien is either a Belichick sleeper agent or he's lost his mind.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Broward on August 31, 2019, 01:02:42 PM
Sleeper Agent 1000%
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on August 31, 2019, 09:07:12 PM
Hard Knocks made me a Bill O'Brien "fan" when they showed how he was the daddy of a special needs kid.
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Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 31, 2019, 11:26:26 PM
For anybody who slept under a rock: BOB went bonkers landing his LT (Laremy Tunsil), #3 WR (Kenny Stills), and a 4th Rounder from Miami for 2 1st Round picks, a 2nd Round pick, OT Julie'n Davenport, and DB/ST Coverage Ace Johnson Bademosi.

Now there are already low rumblings that Tunsil could hold out for a massive contract because he has Houston over a barrel leverage wise.

Fun Fact: Bademosi has officially played on teams under Bill Belichick, Bill O'Brien, and now Brian Flores.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: fazzle on August 31, 2019, 11:49:36 PM
LeSean McCoy reuniting with Andy Reid in KC.  1 year $4m with $3m guaranteed.

Should effectively kill any fantasy value that Darwin Thompson had
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on September 01, 2019, 03:29:30 AM
I really like what Miami is doing.  They are just dumping their entire team for draft picks and to Tank for Tua.  If you aren't going to contend, this is the quickest way to turn things around.  They might not win a game this year, but they could be scary good in three.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on September 01, 2019, 05:02:31 AM
A lot of waiver claims going through. Here are a few notables

Jets claimed WR Braxton Berrios and K Kaare Vedvik.
Raiders claimed QB DeShone Kizer.
Redskins claimed RB Wendell Smallwood.

And another Miami trade! (instert Bison.gif) Dolphins acquired LB Vince Biegel from the Saints in exchange for LB Kiko Alonso
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on September 01, 2019, 08:23:13 AM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on September 02, 2019, 10:11:23 AM

WUT.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Harley Quinn on September 03, 2019, 03:55:44 AM
ProFootballTalk reports the Cowboys are close to signing Ezekiel Elliott to a six-year, $90 million extension. That would tie Gurley for average salary per year and further rub salt into the wound of Gordon who wanted to exceed Gurley's contract numbers.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on September 03, 2019, 07:38:51 AM
ProFootballTalk reports the Cowboys are close to signing Ezekiel Elliott to a six-year, $90 million extension. That would tie Gurley for average salary per year and further rub salt into the wound of Gordon who wanted to exceed Gurley's contract numbers.

The problem with Gordon is that he's just not that good.  Elliott is an elite RB and the Dallas offense runs through him.  Gordon's value was mainly from a fantasy statndpoint because he was in a clear cut starting role on a good team, but 30 other guys can do what he can and he's injury prone.  The Chargers would be crazy to pay him. 
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Saints_Fan_H on September 03, 2019, 06:09:55 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001047170/article/rams-goff-agree-to-terms-on-4year-134m-extension

Never a Rams fan, but I do like Goff as a person (from what I've seen). So, there's your new market.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Brodypedia on September 03, 2019, 11:05:35 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001047170/article/rams-goff-agree-to-terms-on-4year-134m-extension

Never a Rams fan, but I do like Goff as a person (from what I've seen). So, there's your new market.

So when does the QB bubble burst and these cap killing mega deals for above average QBs stop?  It's one thing to pay Brees, Godgers etc, but this....
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on September 04, 2019, 03:09:43 AM
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on September 04, 2019, 03:47:12 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001047170/article/rams-goff-agree-to-terms-on-4year-134m-extension

Never a Rams fan, but I do like Goff as a person (from what I've seen). So, there's your new market.

So when does the QB bubble burst and these cap killing mega deals for above average QBs stop?  It's one thing to pay Brees, Godgers etc, but this....

Personally, unless you have a QB that can carry a team on his back to contendership status (like a Russell Wilson or Patrick Mahomes), I wouldn't pay them.  Once you start paying that money we have seen time and time again that teams can't keep talent around them, and except for the truly elite guys these other QBs aren't good enough to make up for that.  They need the talent around them in order to win, which they now won't have.  I don't think Goff (or Dak Prescott) is that guy.  Wentz has at least shown the ability, even if I worry he might end up being Andrew Luck 2.0.

I'd consider paying Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Mahomes, Watson, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Newton, Ryan, Wentz, and Mayfield.  That's about it at this point, with the jury still out on players like Darnold and Murray.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: New-New-New England Order on September 04, 2019, 04:00:56 AM
It's still kind of amazing that the league has seen one team whose QB has been willing to sacrifice some of the potentially huge paydays he's no doubt earned multiple times over for the sake of building team depth dominate for almost 20 years now and NOBODY seems to have learned anything.
Title: Re: NFL Training Camp and Pre-Season
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2019, 04:02:09 AM
It's still kind of amazing that the league has seen one team whose QB has been willing to sacrifice some of the potentially huge paydays he's no doubt earned multiple times over for the sake of building team depth dominate for almost 20 years now and NOBODY seems to have learned anything.

Tom Brady is so get paid under the table. I think his quack doctor has a store at Patriot Place.