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Title: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on September 30, 2019, 03:01:25 PM
The Angels, Padres, Giants, Royals, Cubs, and Pirates have managerial openings.
There are rumors Joe's going to end up with the Angels cause he spent so much time there and he owns a house in Long Beach.


Ron Fowler is upset again.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on October 03, 2019, 05:31:44 AM
Mickie Callaway will not return as Mets manager. Would love Girardi but I would guess he will go to the Cubs
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Post by: Amy pats fan on October 03, 2019, 06:37:34 AM
It sounds like David Ross has a good shot at the Chicago job.  Jon Heyman thinks he's the favorite, he's already in the organization, and he'll be cheap. 
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Joyful & Soyful on October 08, 2019, 05:45:09 AM
I take back my bitching about Girardi cause I like him more than Ross the more I think about it. Ross feels like the MLB equivalent of the Bulls signing Fred Hoiberg but he has far less coaching credentials than Hoiberg had.

Also, Joe Maddon is expected to be named manager of the Angels this week. Joe/Trout is scary enough, but I'm interested into seeing how Joe is with Shohei Otani.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on October 10, 2019, 02:38:27 AM
Gabe Kapler is no longer the manager of the Phillies.
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Post by: Thrasher on October 16, 2019, 03:09:17 AM
Joe Maddon is the Angels manager. Hopefully they can put together a rotation.
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Post by: alkeiper on October 24, 2019, 12:57:13 AM
Sounds like Joe Girardi is the new manager of the Philadelphia Phillies.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on October 24, 2019, 05:51:46 AM
NXT wrestler Jayce Tingler to manage the Padres.
https://www.mlb.com/news/jayce-tingler-to-be-padres-manager

Really we couldn't get Dusty Baker or someone with actual experience?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on October 25, 2019, 01:14:49 AM
Tingler's hire is getting positive reviews from the hive I follow on Twitter. He's managed a few seasons in the minors and he's served on major league coaching staffs so it's not the same as hiring someone like Brad Ausmus. Time will tell but I think this is a strong rookie hire.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on October 25, 2019, 02:07:32 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-white-sox-ticket-scam-20191025-p2emsu57bfefhiu3hfrm4wjqre-story.html

This guy sold comped tickets on StubHub and made over a million dollars.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on November 01, 2019, 06:15:19 AM
Carlos Beltran looks like the new Mets manager.

The Baseball HOF announced the Ford Frick nominees (for broadcasters). Familiar names include Hawk Harrelson, Pat Hughes, Joe Castiglione, Dewayne Staats, Mike Shannon. I'm hoping though that this is the year Jacques Doucet gets the honor. He is the current French announcer for the Blue Jays and worked for the Montreal Expos in that capacity for their entire tenure.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on November 01, 2019, 06:23:05 AM
Beltran apparently wants .Terry Collins as his bench coach. That got a legit laugh out of me. He was just fired two years ago!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 01, 2019, 12:48:13 PM
And two years later after Beltran is let go, Terry can take his place.
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Post by: claydude14 on November 01, 2019, 05:15:39 PM
Carlos Beltran looks like the new Mets manager.

The Baseball HOF announced the Ford Frick nominees (for broadcasters). Familiar names include Hawk Harrelson, Pat Hughes, Joe Castiglione, Dewayne Staats, Mike Shannon. I'm hoping though that this is the year Jacques Doucet gets the honor. He is the current French announcer for the Blue Jays and worked for the Montreal Expos in that capacity for their entire tenure.

I want to see Hawk in while he’s still alive. Hawkisms are great. I know he’s polarizing, but as a White Sox fan he made watching someone outside of Chicago feel like he was watching with someone. Homer announcers deserve a spot.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on November 02, 2019, 03:20:44 AM
They essentially set up the system where local announcers are considered every three years (this year being one).
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on November 02, 2019, 08:10:38 AM
If they weren't going with a more experienced manager I think Beltran was a great hire by the Mets.  Heard numerous stories from his time as a special assistant with the Yankees of him helping hitters make adjustments at the plate or pitchers when he noticed them tipping pitches.  Incredibly well respected among the players, especially the young guys from Latin America
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on November 04, 2019, 03:06:57 AM
If Joe Castiglione gets the nod, I hope he mentions the specials that week at Shaws Supermarkets during his induction speech.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 04, 2019, 05:11:10 AM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 04, 2019, 05:31:04 AM
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2019/11/04/15420/mlb-and-nike-team-up-to-block-bronx-stores-from-selling-yankees-jerseys/

That's messed up.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 04, 2019, 07:35:00 AM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 10, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
(https://i.redd.it/b08wylvbasx31.jpg)
Padres got new unis.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on November 10, 2019, 02:49:17 PM
They’re the pirates now?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Dandy on November 11, 2019, 02:17:23 AM
I like them.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on November 11, 2019, 01:13:23 PM
Pete Alonso wins NL rookie of the year.

Yordan Alvarez wins AL rookie of the year
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 12, 2019, 06:00:34 AM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on November 12, 2019, 06:22:45 AM
That the Astros have enjoyed the best road record in baseball over the last five years suggests that this is a very broad issue.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on November 13, 2019, 09:43:28 AM
Jacob deGrom wins 2nd straight Cy Young
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on November 15, 2019, 12:35:49 AM
Digging into Awards season...

-Every writer had Trout/Bregman or Bregman/Trout as their top two. No other players snuck in.

-Four writers gave J.T. Realmuto (deserved, IMO) downballot votes. None of them were Philly writers. Freddie Freeman got a 2nd place vote from Tracy Ringolsby in Colorado.

-Kirby Yates got a fourth place Cy vote.

There are a handful of individual ballots that are a little puzzling, but overall the writers really got this one right.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on November 18, 2019, 09:39:29 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/11/18/world-series-video-shows-possible-astros-cheating-setup/

That WS needs a * next to it
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 18, 2019, 09:55:15 AM
There's been a ton of proof so far, but that clip doesn't show much. I've never been in a dugout, so I don't know if they all have a table and a garbage can in them like that or not, but nothing there proved anything. There was no monitor there, just table and a garbage can.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 18, 2019, 01:20:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJsnZYXWkAAEbnX?format=jpg&name=large)

Brewers got new threads too.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Joyful & Soyful on November 19, 2019, 02:53:26 AM
I saw some articles a few months ago about how the Astros are the dynasty the Chicago Cubs should've been. With them being exposed as cheaters, those articles didn't age well. I don't think there will be a Yankees type dynasty anytime soon in MLB. There's too much parity and the one thing MLB has over NBA and NFL is unpredictability in the postseason. Like no one thought the Nationals would win the World Series, same with Cleveland making the series and the Royals making it two years in a row.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on November 19, 2019, 05:47:40 AM
Teams can dominate over a long period of time in the regular season. But I think those late '90s Yankees teams fooled us into thinking the postseason isn't as random as it actually is.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on November 21, 2019, 04:51:33 AM
Yasmani Grandal to the White Sox for four years, $73 million. The White Sox will be interesting to watch. They have several young star level players (Yoan Moncada, Eloy Jimenez, Lucas Giolito) and with the right acquisitions they could make a big step forward in 2020.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Joyful & Soyful on November 21, 2019, 04:54:23 AM
White Sox are the only team in Chicago Sports right now that look to be on the upside.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on November 21, 2019, 12:36:12 PM
Yasmani Grandal to the White Sox for four years, $73 million. The White Sox will be interesting to watch. They have several young star level players (Yoan Moncada, Eloy Jimenez, Lucas Giolito) and with the right acquisitions they could make a big step forward in 2020.

Read that it's the biggest contract the White Sox ever gave out which I found hard to believe.  Biggest since Albert Belle I guess.  I remember them giving Konerko a big contract or two, and they signed Thome for at the time big money.....but yeah, that's crazy to me
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on November 21, 2019, 11:55:24 PM
Yasmani Grandal to the White Sox for four years, $73 million. The White Sox will be interesting to watch. They have several young star level players (Yoan Moncada, Eloy Jimenez, Lucas Giolito) and with the right acquisitions they could make a big step forward in 2020.

Read that it's the biggest contract the White Sox ever gave out which I found hard to believe.  Biggest since Albert Belle I guess.  I remember them giving Konerko a big contract or two, and they signed Thome for at the time big money.....but yeah, that's crazy to me
Biggest ever in total committed dollars. The previous record was Jose Abreu's 6 year/$68 million contract (a bargain for his production). Albert Belle got $55 million (and took $22 million before opting out). Paul Konerko got 5 years/$60 million. It looks like Grandal's $18.375 million is also a record for single season salary in club history.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: claydude14 on November 22, 2019, 05:53:22 AM
They turned around and extended Abreu today too, which screams a JR loyalty contract. We had him on the one year qualifying offer and there’s not huge demand for aging DH/1B types. That third year is going to be when the young core starts getting expensive too so I’m not thrilled with the deal.

Grandal is a nice get though can rotate him between C/1B/DH with McCann and Collins backing him up (26th roster spot next season). Leaves a RF and top line SP as the glaring holes to fill. Will be fun to have meaningful White Sox games to watch next season.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on November 25, 2019, 07:27:58 AM
Braves sign Travis d'Arnaud to a 2 year deal
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on November 26, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Flik on November 27, 2019, 08:21:14 AM
What the ever fucking hell? Geezus that's awful.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 04, 2019, 04:32:13 AM
Cole Hamels is an Atlanta Brave. One year, $18 million. Phillies fans are mad online.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Joyful & Soyful on December 04, 2019, 04:38:54 AM
He was very good during the first half but he seemed washed up and broken down the last two or so months of the season. It's only a year, but 18 million seems like a lot of money.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 04, 2019, 05:21:04 AM
He was very good during the first half but he seemed washed up and broken down the last two or so months of the season. It's only a year, but 18 million seems like a lot of money.

They have the right pieces to win a World Series now, so it seems like the right move.



Basically, the city and team have a deal where the Angels buy all the surrounding land around the stadium. They'll develop the land and use the money fund stadium improvements which are badly needed. It's going to mess with the parking there because it's so easy to get in and out of there.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on December 04, 2019, 06:08:10 AM
Zack Wheeler to the Phillies on a 5 year deal
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 05, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
Given a choice between Wheeler and Hamels at those prices, I'd certainly rather have Wheeler. I don't think the Phillies can afford either of Strasburg or Gerrit Cole now, they still have upgrades to make in the lineup.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 09, 2019, 06:26:23 AM
Strasburg back to the Nats for a record 7 year $245m deal
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Krankor on December 10, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
Gerrit Cole to the Yankees for 9 years 324 million.

Baseball contracts are the dumbest in sports.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 10, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Gerrit Cole to the Yankees for 9 years 324 million.

Baseball contracts are the dumbest in sports.

Why? If the Yanks don't spend the money, it goes in the Steinbrenners pockets. Good for him but if he fails in NY, the fans there will let him hear it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on December 10, 2019, 04:29:51 PM
YES!

full no-trade and opt out after 5 years when he'll be 34

It's insane money, but honestly it's worth it for the Yankees.  They've desperately needed a top of the rotation ace for years and Cole ticks every box.

NYY have been relatively fiscally conservative all things concerned since the Ellsbury signing and waiting for some of the big contracts to come off the books.  Other than the Stanton trade they haven't gone too big in years or money for anyone.  This is the biggest FA pitching splash they've made since CC 11 years ago or the Tanaka posting, and it was badly needed.  The fanbase was desperate for them to acquire an ace by any means necessary after passing up on a number of dudes via trade or FA over the last several years.

Cole
Tanaka
Severino
Paxton
Haap (who's probably getting traded)

not bad
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Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on December 10, 2019, 11:11:52 PM
YES!

full no-trade and opt out after 5 years when he'll be 34

It's insane money, but honestly it's worth it for the Yankees.  They've desperately needed a top of the rotation ace for years and Cole ticks every box.

NYY have been relatively fiscally conservative all things concerned since the Ellsbury signing and waiting for some of the big contracts to come off the books.  Other than the Stanton trade they haven't gone too big in years or money for anyone.  This is the biggest FA pitching splash they've made since CC 11 years ago or the Tanaka posting, and it was badly needed.  The fanbase was desperate for them to acquire an ace by any means necessary after passing up on a number of dudes via trade or FA over the last several years.

Cole
Tanaka
Severino
Paxton
Haap (who's probably getting traded)

not bad

+1

Very excited
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 11, 2019, 12:00:27 AM
Of course this will hurt the Yankees in 5-10 years when luxury tax penalties hit and Cole/Stanton get old. But there's no telling when you get a core like Sanchez/Torres/Judge again and you need to strike when that window is open. So I think this is a good move.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Cartman on December 11, 2019, 03:05:25 AM
Great move for the Yankeees, and i'm pretty sure they can afford to eat the luxury tax penalties down the road. They have done an incredible job building their team up, and this is the cherry on top that should put them in a multiple WS title stretch.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: minger80 on December 11, 2019, 04:05:04 AM
Being a Orioles fan I hope the Yankees don't win any world series. However I know my O's are a very long way from competing.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 11, 2019, 06:34:27 AM

Awwwww yeaeeaaaahhhh
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Flik on December 11, 2019, 03:06:45 PM
Angels signed Anthony Rendon. Kind of surprised about that one. Think this means that the Dodgers will go all in for Lindor now. Meaning probably Lux immediately starts for the Indians, I would think.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on December 11, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
7 years/245 million for Rendon

Unlike the last few years big names are going early this off season
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: minger80 on December 12, 2019, 06:57:59 AM
Don't the Yankees still have Jordan Montgomery they could use as a number 5 if they trade Happ.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on December 12, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
Don't the Yankees still have Jordan Montgomery they could use as a number 5 if they trade Happ.

Yes.  They also have Domingo German who's likely going to be getting a suspension for domestic violence.  He ended last year on "administrative leave" and nobody seems to know what's going on
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 12, 2019, 11:14:28 AM

I miss having the bullpens next to the dugout. I think the A's are the last ones to have that.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 12, 2019, 11:53:53 AM
Looks like an homage to the Polo Grounds.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 12, 2019, 12:57:37 PM
The Polo Grounds outfield never ended.  ;D
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 22, 2019, 03:13:12 AM
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Post by: Joyful & Soyful on December 22, 2019, 03:56:33 AM
Dallas Keuchel went to the White Sox. White Sox will be the best team in Chicago in 2020.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: minger80 on December 22, 2019, 04:23:52 AM
Depends on what the Cubs do. If they end up trading Bryant that will defintely hurt their chances of being competitive. The White Sox on the other hand have had a pretty decent off season so as far as record goes I think they might have the better record than the Cubs.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Joyful & Soyful on December 22, 2019, 05:01:58 AM
If they stay pat, I can't really see them competing with the Cards or Reds. They might finish fourth in the NL Central. Their rotation as is doesn't give me any confidence. Despite the Cubs team being worth billions and this new tv network supposedly leading to them being able to spend more money on players luxary tax be damned, Tom Ricketts has still limited their budget to the point they couldn't afford Eric Sogard.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 22, 2019, 06:41:24 AM
You got to see them win the World Series. Hopefully your great grandchildren get to see the next one.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 22, 2019, 02:37:56 PM


Also Ryu signed with the Jays. No one wants to pitch for the Angels.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: treble on December 22, 2019, 11:17:54 PM
I had no confidence the Jays were going to sign anyone of any significance, even though they'd been linked to Ryu all off-season. Very glad to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 23, 2019, 12:30:40 AM
I don't know how good the Blue Jays will be. But with Bichette, Guerrero, etc., they have a really interesting team.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 23, 2019, 05:55:39 AM
I think they can be a wild card team.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 23, 2019, 06:55:13 AM
Figure on Yankees, Twins, Astros being obvious division favorites. Last year the A's and Rays were wild cards with the Indians right behind. Behind them the Blue Jays, White Sox, Angels and Rangers have done the most to improve. I can see the White Sox making that jump. I won't count out the Jays, but 30 wins is a lot to gain in one offseason. Virtually everything has to go right. They're helped by the Red Sox and Indians' reported insistence on shooting themselves in the foot.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on December 23, 2019, 09:26:35 AM
I think the Jays are probably still a year or two away from making real noise but I love their young talent
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Post by: KingPK on December 23, 2019, 09:36:33 AM
They're helped by the Red Sox and Indians' reported insistence on shooting themselves in the foot.

Winning the World Series feels like ages ago after last season.  They might as well get the Betts trade over with so that doesn't hang over the fanbase for most of the year.  They also want to trade Price, but will probably have to eat a lot of that contract to do so (which contradicts their plans to cut payroll).  It's gonna be hard to root for a team that doesn't plan to make any noise for a few years.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Cartman on December 23, 2019, 10:07:01 AM
Sounds like they are trying to package Benintendi with Price to allow for not eating a lot of that contract, and that's fine by me.
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Post by: treble on December 23, 2019, 10:13:32 AM
Jays games have been a slog to get through the last few seasons, so anything to improve just a little bit is good in my view. I'm not sure signing Ryu makes them a playoff team this season, but even just a fun to watch .500 team is better than what they've been since probably 2017.

Its interesting to see the media coverage of it, too. It was the lead story on TSN, even on a Sunday night after some big NFL games and a big Raptors win. There's a huge Jays audience in this country and I don't think it will take too much to get them back.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 23, 2019, 11:04:29 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28361513/free-agent-pitcher-rich-hill-wife-arrested-incident-gillette-stadium
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on December 24, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
Mets signed Dellin Betances to an incentive/option laden contract.  Basically he's guaranteed at least $10.5m and can opt out after the season

Really good pickup for them IMO.  Loved him as a Yankee, sad they let him walk.  I like it when my club has guys that they drafted/signed and come up thru their system.  There's a lot of sentimental value with Betances.  Been with the org since they drafted him in 2006 and one of the last remaining bridges to guys like Mo, Jeter, Po, Pettite etc.  It's literally just Gardy now pretty much.

Not to mention he's been one of the best relievers in baseball over the last decade and a 4 time all-star.  I hope he's healthy and throws a great season for the Mets and gets paid next off-season.  Due to the Yankees playing hardball and the way arbitration values non-closing relievers he's never been paid like he deserved
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 24, 2019, 03:44:38 PM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 25, 2019, 11:08:23 AM
Pitchers with five seasons of 100+ strikeouts and zero games started:

Goose Gossage
Dellin Betances

I saw Betances pitch a game in Scranton in 2011. He pitched three innings, allowed one hit and walked nine. He had no control whatsoever but no hitter could touch his stuff. Most pitchers like that don’t succeed but the few that do can become dominant. Betances was one of the lucky few. I’d be hard pressed to find many middle relievers who made four all star teams.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&did=milb&gid=2011_08_23_rocaaa_swbaaa_1
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: minger80 on December 25, 2019, 11:36:17 AM
Dbacks signing Kole Calhoun was nice as well huge bargain. I don't see a huge difference between him and Ozuna yet someone will overpay for him.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Gert on December 25, 2019, 03:26:41 PM
I don't understand the thoughts of trading Betts & Lindor. Especially if you are Boston and have revenue every year. Do the 12 year deals work? No, but I don't understand how trading guys that are still rising and can be Top 5 at their position in the league.



Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: KingPK on December 25, 2019, 03:37:26 PM
I don't understand the thoughts of trading Betts & Lindor. Especially if you are Boston and have revenue every year. Do the 12 year deals work? No, but I don't understand how trading guys that are still rising and can be Top 5 at their position in the league.

Boston suddenly wants to get below the salary tax threshold after they gave out a bunch of (now questionable) extensions last offseason.  They've got a bunch of money coming off the books after 2020 (maybe more if Pedroia retires) and really need to rebuild the farm system, so Betts gives them the best chance at a good haul.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Gert on December 25, 2019, 03:41:59 PM
I get it, but I feel like it's such a crap shoot.

The Marlins traded a younger Miggy for Cameron Maybin & Andrew Miller. Granted both were Top 5 prospects, but i think it is such a crap shoot. Maybe a team like Boston can hope the youth infusion and the established guys can put them over the top, but I think teams around the tax need to get more creative.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 25, 2019, 11:51:22 PM
At some point, what are you even rebuilding for? You can make any number of brilliant trades, draft and develop right and chances are you're still not going to find the next Mookie Betts. He's a once in a generation player. The idea that the Boston Red Sox off all teams can't afford him is absurd.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Cartman on December 27, 2019, 05:39:34 AM
Call me crazy, but I don't think Betts really IS a "Once in a generation player". I think he's a good player, but I believe he's been massively overrated. He's really good, but I don't look at him in the same light as say a Trout, Bellinger, Yelich, etc.

The type of deal he's going to get is insane to me.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Dandy on December 27, 2019, 06:25:21 AM
I agree with Cartman. However, no one should be viewed in the same light as Trout.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on December 27, 2019, 07:15:17 AM
He needs a few more seasons of the one he had couple of years ago to be considered Trout level, imo

That being said, he’s as good if not better than the other dudes
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on December 27, 2019, 07:52:31 AM
Right now I'd take Betts over Yelich and Bellinger due to defense/baserunning.  He's more of a 5 tool player.  Plus I see him a ton so I'm more familiar with him.  Bellinger has age on both of them though
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on December 30, 2019, 05:42:08 AM

Oh man.

tbh...look I'm a New England man but Schilling was talked about as a borderliner Hall of Famer before he became piece of trash. I know it's not a Hall of Morality (hello Ty Cobb) but c'mon.

To reiterate me not thinking it's the Hall of Morality, I think Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa (and all of the other major steroid guys) all should get in. Include a note, asterisk, whatever on their plaques but virtually forgetting an entire era of baseball is ridiculous.


Edit: How is Omar Vizquel getting so many votes!? I know he played for 20+ years and was a great defensive shortstop but wow.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on December 30, 2019, 07:24:20 AM
I know Jeter is a HOF'er but it bothers me he's going in unanimously.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on December 30, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
He should.  The problem is all the asshole writers who refused to vote for slam dunk candidates just to be curmudgeonly pedants.  Thankfully those days seem to be in the rearview.  That said, I don't think Jetes will be unanimous.  He's not universally beloved the way Mo was.

And I guess it's time for my annual "why the fuck isn't Jeff Kent in the F'n HOF" comment.  Search 'Kent' 'HOF' and I probably did a long post on it at least once here
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on December 31, 2019, 03:00:54 AM
On playing career Schilling is a HOFer. As far as character your mileage may vary. He has trash opinions. He also won awards for character, integrity and charitable work. I'm cautious about invoking character because if we really start digging, the logical conclusion will be that we shouldn't even have a Hall of Fame.

I'm resigned that Vizquel is getting in eventually. Harold Baines got in for sticking around forever. Vizquel has a stronger support base and stuck around longer. His #2 comp is Rabbit Maranville and that's a really good one. Shortstops with 20+ year careers who got in on their defensive reputations and were controversial selections. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on December 31, 2019, 03:41:49 AM
It's the threatening to murder journalists remarks that crosses the lines more than his trash opinions (or swindling the state of Rhode Island out of millions). How can you expect to get voted into a HOF where the voters ARE journalists after that?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 07, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
now Boston is being investigated.....

https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/01/07/boston-red-sox-sign-stealing-allegations-video-replay-room-2018-investigation
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 07, 2020, 03:24:24 PM
now Boston is being investigated.....

https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/01/07/boston-red-sox-sign-stealing-allegations-video-replay-room-2018-investigation

"The Red Sox and New York Yankees were fined separately in 2017 as part of an investigation into the use of electronics to steal signs."

This could really be a big scandal for MLB depending on how many teams they end up busting.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on January 09, 2020, 02:28:32 AM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/baseball/a-former-prospect-sued-the-yankees-for-34-million-because-derek-jeter-ruined-his-career

Derek Jeter ruined my life too.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 09, 2020, 02:45:17 AM
now Boston is being investigated.....

https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/01/07/boston-red-sox-sign-stealing-allegations-video-replay-room-2018-investigation

"The Red Sox and New York Yankees were fined separately in 2017 as part of an investigation into the use of electronics to steal signs."

This could really be a big scandal for MLB depending on how many teams they end up busting.

Yankees were fined before they put an iron clad rule in place. The Red Sox continued, so they are being investigated and the Yankees aren’t.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on January 09, 2020, 05:18:42 AM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/baseball/a-former-prospect-sued-the-yankees-for-34-million-because-derek-jeter-ruined-his-career

Derek Jeter ruined my life too.

Reading about this now. This is pretty hilarious. Too bad it was unsuccessful or we could've set a precedent where RVD sued Triple H for burying him in the '00s. Alas..
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: KingPK on January 10, 2020, 07:09:23 AM
$27 million for Betts in arbitration, the biggest award ever.  Yeah, he gone.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 10, 2020, 07:21:29 AM
Who figures to be a high bidder on Betts? By all rights the Mets should be eyeing this one up, but who knows with that franchise?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Cartman on January 10, 2020, 08:04:29 AM
Technically Betts avoided arbitration and signed a 1 year offer from the Sox, but yes he's still gone and i'm kinda ok with that.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on January 13, 2020, 05:09:13 AM

WELLL...Alex Cora has to be fucked. I don't think lifetime ban is out of the question now.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Flik on January 13, 2020, 05:10:52 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476780/houston-astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-1-year

Both GM and Coach of the Astros have been suspend a full season, 5 million dollar team fine, with both 1st and 2nd round picks of 2020 and 2021 taken away as well. Due to the investigation of technology used to cheat during the World Series of 2017.

Holy shit. I was not expecting it to be that bad. I mean that's very bad.

And I got beat by Boomer. Dammit.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 13, 2020, 05:52:27 AM
Holy shit is my reaction too. Though many seem the punishment is actually light. I don't want to see MLB vacating victories, championships, anything of the sort. This is fine because if other clubs' sign stealing schemes come out, they can get suspended too and we don't have to worry about a butterfly effect on the record book.

Still, the 2017 Astros championship is absolutely tainted. No one can trust what's going on in MLB over the last three seasons, and that's a big problem.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 13, 2020, 06:18:06 AM
And they're now both fired:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/sports/astros-scandal-aj-hinch-jeff-luhnow.html
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Flik on January 13, 2020, 06:34:00 AM
Okay, I'm sorry, but the Astros being able to fire them to "clean the slate" is bullshit and they shouldn't get to do that. Kind of makes part of the punishment a joke, really.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Broward on January 13, 2020, 06:48:20 AM
Losing AJ and Lunhow sucks. AJ (mismanagement of Game 7 aside) was a great manager for the team.

Whelp, we still have our ring and that's all that matters.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 13, 2020, 06:59:51 AM
Yeah, a completely tainted one that nobody outside of Houston will ever take seriously.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 13, 2020, 07:19:29 AM
Okay, I'm sorry, but the Astros being able to fire them to "clean the slate" is bullshit and they shouldn't get to do that. Kind of makes part of the punishment a joke, really.

How is it bullshit?  The owner wasn't in on the cheating.  He waited for the results of the investigation, and once it reached it's conclusion was completely within his rights to fire both Hinch and Luhnow.  They tainted the championship and left a black mark on the franchise and he clearly felt they needed to move on without them.

Are you arguing there isn't just cause?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 13, 2020, 07:21:20 AM
Oh, and Cora should probably be cleaning out his office about now.  Don't know if Boston will fire him, but being a central part of two cheating scandals isn't looking good
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 13, 2020, 07:27:14 AM
Oh, and Cora should probably be cleaning out his office about now.  Don't know if Boston will fire him, but being a central part of two cheating scandals isn't looking good

He should be banned for life.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Cartman on January 13, 2020, 07:57:25 AM
Yep, Cora is a shitbag and needs to be fired/banned. What a joke.

Great on the MLB to levy these harsh punnishments as this trash has no place in baseball.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Flik on January 13, 2020, 08:10:06 AM
Okay, I'm sorry, but the Astros being able to fire them to "clean the slate" is bullshit and they shouldn't get to do that. Kind of makes part of the punishment a joke, really.

How is it bullshit?  The owner wasn't in on the cheating.  He waited for the results of the investigation, and once it reached it's conclusion was completely within his rights to fire both Hinch and Luhnow.  They tainted the championship and left a black mark on the franchise and he clearly felt they needed to move on without them.

Are you arguing there isn't just cause?
No sorry, I thought he was in the know and so should've been stuck with them on the books. I figured that he must've signed off on it or something.

Though, now knowing the owner didn't know somehow makes this actually even worse. I honestly am surprised the owner had no idea at all. Wow.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on January 13, 2020, 08:39:29 AM
Oh, and Cora should probably be cleaning out his office about now.  Don't know if Boston will fire him, but being a central part of two cheating scandals isn't looking good

Mets need to fire Beltran as well, seeing as he was a big part of this. He was still a player at the time, but he can't be let off lightly.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on January 13, 2020, 09:35:33 AM
Not only is Cora almost definitely gonna get fired if not banned but I think John Henry, Lucchino, and co. will use this as reason to justify them gutting the franchise. It's gonna be a loonnnnggg summer on Landsdowne.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOL-FY3WAAMg_t5?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on January 13, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
I love the Padres but give Kershaw his two rings you cheating fucks.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Broward on January 13, 2020, 03:15:40 PM
Yeah, a completely tainted one that nobody outside of Houston will ever take seriously.

Don't. Give. A. Fuck.

Bitch as much as y'all want. Whine. Cry. Shed tears for Kershaw like he's some personification of baseball being played the "right" way.

That trophy isn't leaving Houston. Those rings aren't being confiscated. The banner isn't being yanked down.

The sanctimoniously hypocritical hand-wringing is hilarious.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 13, 2020, 03:21:48 PM
Man, I don't think I've shed any tears over sports in a really long time.

The title is still tainted and everyone knows it. Nobody cares about that banner hanging there, except you and the people in your town. However you want to validate that to yourself, that's alright. But everyone else in the country knows it's bullshit. This Astros title, with their Chinese eyes shit and outright cheating, this kind of invalidation is exactly what they deserve. The manager, GM, and bench coach will effectively be blackballed from the game. How can anyone call that title legitimate.

It has nothing to do with who they cheated against, and everything to do with right and wrong. The same way that Pete Rose deserves to be banned for life for making a bunch of bets that nobody can independently validate to decide on whether or not he was cheating the game. When people talk about this title, it will effectively be invalidated with an asterisk. The organization will never shake that.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on January 13, 2020, 11:43:01 PM
Oof. Yeah. Cora should be shaking greasy hands and signing autographs next to Pete Rose in the Caesar's Palace Mall sports memorabilia store in no time.

I'm slightly incredulous that the Red Sox haven't fired him already.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: MFer on January 14, 2020, 12:46:07 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476888/nationals-prospect-fausto-segura-dies-age-23 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28476888/nationals-prospect-fausto-segura-dies-age-23)

Not a big name or story, but it's yet another baseball player dying in the D.R.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: tekcop on January 14, 2020, 04:25:07 AM
Baseball has a beautiful history of cheating and the Astros were only doing their part to keep that proud tradition alive. Good on the league for taking action, though.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Joyful & Soyful on January 14, 2020, 04:44:12 AM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on January 14, 2020, 05:50:54 AM
https://ktla.com/2020/01/14/dodger-fan-says-he-and-his-friends-want-to-file-class-action-lawsuit-against-astros/

Good luck.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Broward on January 14, 2020, 06:41:12 AM
Y'all know Houston played four of their games (including Game 7) in Los Angeles, right? Y'all also know this, yes?

2017 ALCS:

Game 1 -- Keuchel - 7 IP, 0 R
Game 2 -- Verlander -- 9 IP, 1 R
Game 6 -- Verlander -- 7 IP, 0 R
Game 7 -- Morton/McCullers -- 9 IP, 0 R

This is why the Yankees lost in 2017.

Our run differential was minus two to New York and had just as many runs as LA did (34).

Also, didn't we have better road records while all of this was going on? Doesn't Manfred's report talk about how the whistling, banging and etc wound up being more of a distraction to Astros batters?

Whatever though. Y'all stay mad and I'll wear my World Series cap all the same.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: tekcop on January 14, 2020, 07:01:00 AM
Man, I'm on the Astros' side here, but lol your team cheated, dude.

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Whatever though. Y'all stay mad and I'll wear my World Series cap all the same.
8)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 14, 2020, 07:08:48 AM
Y'all know Houston played four of their games (including Game 7) in Los Angeles, right? Y'all also know this, yes?

2017 ALCS:

Game 1 -- Keuchel - 7 IP, 0 R
Game 2 -- Verlander -- 9 IP, 1 R
Game 6 -- Verlander -- 7 IP, 0 R
Game 7 -- Morton/McCullers -- 9 IP, 0 R

This is why the Yankees lost in 2017.

Our run differential was minus two to New York and had just as many runs as LA did (34).

Also, didn't we have better road records while all of this was going on? Doesn't Manfred's report talk about how the whistling, banging and etc wound up being more of a distraction to Astros batters?

Whatever though. Y'all stay mad and I'll wear my World Series cap all the same.

If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t keep responding

Maybe if the Astros didn’t cheat all year, they wouldn’t have had home field advantage in that series. Why don’t you show how the Astros pitched in Yankee Stadium.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 14, 2020, 07:34:50 AM
Y'all know Houston played four of their games (including Game 7) in Los Angeles, right? Y'all also know this, yes?

2017 ALCS:

Game 1 -- Keuchel - 7 IP, 0 R
Game 2 -- Verlander -- 9 IP, 1 R
Game 6 -- Verlander -- 7 IP, 0 R
Game 7 -- Morton/McCullers -- 9 IP, 0 R

This is why the Yankees lost in 2017.

Our run differential was minus two to New York and had just as many runs as LA did (34).

Also, didn't we have better road records while all of this was going on? Doesn't Manfred's report talk about how the whistling, banging and etc wound up being more of a distraction to Astros batters?

Whatever though. Y'all stay mad and I'll wear my World Series cap all the same.

How can you even post this stupid shit while ignoring that the Astros scored 13 runs at home in Game 5, which undoubtedly would not have happened without this cheating system. You also have to consider the effects this would have on another team's pitching staff in the whole context of the series. This kind of bogus defense doesn't do the Astros any favors.

Over here in the real world, we know that people being suspended for running a cheating program means that the title those people won is tainted.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 14, 2020, 07:38:00 AM
Baseball has a beautiful history of cheating and the Astros were only doing their part to keep that proud tradition alive. Good on the league for taking action, though.

This is kind of how I look at it honestly.  The key is not getting caught.

The 17 and 18 WS titles will both have an asterisk, if not literally than figuratively.  The Yankees lost to both eventual champions but so be it, what's done is done.  I'd be a hypocrite and a liar if I acted all aggrieved about it because I quite frankly didn't give a shit about any of the allegations against New England
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 14, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
Also, while I'm at it, I kinda hope the Dodgers get busted so that Dave Roberts can be banned for life. Please. I'm begging
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on January 14, 2020, 08:51:23 AM
It would be funnier if he were a squeaky clean dumbass who only manages to lose against teams that blatantly cheat against him. Need that redemption angle for Yu Garbage and Dave.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 14, 2020, 10:08:22 AM
Not only is Cora almost definitely gonna get fired if not banned but I think John Henry, Lucchino, and co. will use this as reason to justify them gutting the franchise. It's gonna be a loonnnnggg summer on Landsdowne.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOL-FY3WAAMg_t5?format=png&name=small)

Funny enough, Valentine was on WFAN today talking about all this.  I was in the car and didn't hear all of it but he was basically saying everyone steals signs, he prided himself on his ability to do it as a player, and he did it as a manager in a "competitive edge" sort of way because everyone else was doing it, but he never felt he crossed the line into egregious cheating

What I heard was pretty interesting, I'll throw up a link when it gets posted
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 14, 2020, 10:29:43 AM
Cora has been fired.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 14, 2020, 11:41:18 AM
Not only is Cora almost definitely gonna get fired if not banned but I think John Henry, Lucchino, and co. will use this as reason to justify them gutting the franchise. It's gonna be a loonnnnggg summer on Landsdowne.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOL-FY3WAAMg_t5?format=png&name=small)

Funny enough, Valentine was on WFAN today talking about all this.  I was in the car and didn't hear all of it but he was basically saying everyone steals signs, he prided himself on his ability to do it as a player, and he did it as a manager in a "competitive edge" sort of way because everyone else was doing it, but he never felt he crossed the line into egregious cheating

What I heard was pretty interesting, I'll throw up a link when it gets posted

I've found that tends to be the case. After the Patriots got busted for Spygate then Deflategate, coaches and players (including Jimmy Johnson and Aaron Rodgers off the top of my head) both came out basically saying they did the same thing... just they didn't get caught/busted for cheating but I found it kind of interesting how deep the belief of doing whatever you could to get a competitive advantage went with them saying they also didn't really cross any specific lines.

I'm sure guys like Bobby Valentine and other players/coaches (maybe even still today) were or are sign stealing mofos. But the use of the video system + the pounding communication is probably a "line" too far. Kind of that unspoken agreement that it's fine to steal signs if you're standing on 1st or 2nd Base but above & beyond that is too much.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 14, 2020, 11:45:48 AM
Are Astros fans so deluded that they forgot Yuli Gurriel used cheating to hit a homer off Yu Darvish and made racist gestures mocking him afterward? Cause nobody should really forget about that. More people need to be suspended and/or banned from baseball.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Dandy on January 14, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
I nominate Clint Hurdle.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Krankor on January 14, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
I second Clint Hurdle. He is scum.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on January 14, 2020, 02:27:52 PM
Also, while I'm at it, I kinda hope the Dodgers get busted so that Dave Roberts can be banned for life. Please. I'm begging

Do you think when Dave Roberts finally wakes up he'll be mildly upset about what took place.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 14, 2020, 09:03:39 PM
Valentine interview

https://wfan.radio.com/articles/valentine-weve-had-70-years-to-control-sign-stealing
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on January 14, 2020, 09:36:16 PM
Lol even in the garbage ufc when people are caught cheating they usually change the official outcomes. Baseball has less integrity wow
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Dandy on January 14, 2020, 10:09:02 PM
You aren’t suggesting a singular one on one fight is easier to speculate on what the outcome could have been without the cheating than a 162 game season and multiple rounds of multiple game playoffs in a team sport are you?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 15, 2020, 12:43:25 AM
Quote
I'm sure guys like Bobby Valentine and other players/coaches (maybe even still today) were or are sign stealing mofos. But the use of the video system + the pounding communication is probably a "line" too far. Kind of that unspoken agreement that it's fine to steal signs if you're standing on 1st or 2nd Base but above & beyond that is too much.

You can steal signs from the catcher as a baserunner. You can decode the base coaches signs. Smart players SHOULD try to steal signs from those positions. Willie Mays was supposedly an expert. Catchers get upset if the batter tries to peek. Teams squawk if teams steal signs/signal from the bullpen, but if you can do it with the naked eye it's not against the rules. Electronic communication or visual help like binoculars is easily over the line.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on January 15, 2020, 02:11:11 AM
You aren’t suggesting a singular one on one fight is easier to speculate on what the outcome could have been without the cheating than a 162 game season and multiple rounds of multiple game playoffs in a team sport are you?

Could you imagine if they let Andre the Giant keep the title after the Double Hebner? What a disgrace.

Throwing out all those details to try and make this seem nuanced is hilarious to me. They cheated, blatantly, to the point that some were banned for whole seasons.

Also, there are plenty of times where fighters cheat and it doesn’t necessarily mean the outcome would be different. A guy on steroids might win without them too, but if we take that chance then what would be the incentive to not take them? If you asked those guys that received the ban if they would give up their rings in exchange for it to be lifted, I guarantee you they’d say no. So why would anyone not cheat again? Baseball has no integrity.

And they won the series in seven games, about as close as it gets to not getting it. With such a fine margin between winning and losing, it’s hard to not think that the cheating made the difference.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on January 15, 2020, 04:07:08 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28477741/why-anger-boiling-scenes-houston-astros-sign-stealing-punishments

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Multiple ownership-level sources told ESPN that dissatisfaction with the penalties had emerged following a conference call with Manfred, in which he explained how the Astros would be disciplined, then told teams to keep their thoughts to themselves.

"The impression," one person familiar with the call told ESPN, "was that the penalty for complaining would be more than Houston got."

Run through a passive-aggressive translator, the Dodgers' words mirrored what a team president had said earlier in the day.

"Crane won," he said. "The entire thing was programmed to protect the future of the franchise. He got his championship. He keeps his team. His fine is nothing. The sport lost, but Crane won."

people acting like this isn't a big deal just don't want to accept that their precious sport is tarnished.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on January 15, 2020, 04:29:05 AM
Mike Francesa on twitter is hinting that the Mets won't be firing Beltran over this. So expect him to be fired any minute now
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 15, 2020, 06:23:07 AM
And they won the series in seven games, about as close as it gets to not getting it. With such a fine margin between winning and losing, it’s hard to not think that the cheating made the difference.

(https://preview.redd.it/qxl1s3wkyya41.jpg?width=773&auto=webp&s=84b87488eaa3d70b52df616846dcadc2a08f03fa)

Lol this speaks for itself.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on January 15, 2020, 06:29:50 AM
Not a good look. Not a good look at allllll.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3oEduMXoaGrtwTa0JW/source.gif)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 15, 2020, 06:34:41 AM
Not a good look. Not a good look at allllll.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3oEduMXoaGrtwTa0JW/source.gif)

“He just saw the game through a different lens. Amazing mind.”
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 16, 2020, 04:18:16 AM
And now Carlos Beltran has stepped down as manager of the Mets.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Dandy on January 16, 2020, 05:04:17 AM
And they won the series in seven games, about as close as it gets to not getting it. With such a fine margin between winning and losing, it’s hard to not think that the cheating made the difference.

That is not my entire point. They did not just up and cheat during the seven game World Series. There is no telling how everyone’s records would have shaken out and which teams would have placed where and which teams would have squared off for the playoffs. You can’t just vacate the championship and give it to the runner up when there were 170+ games affecting so many different teams.

Do you give it to the ALCS runner up or the WS runner up? Both were cheated against and could have theoretically won. But the entire playoff scenarios could have been different. You can’t even make it cut and dry as it not affecting the NLCS winner due to inter league play.

Vacating wins and trophies doesn’t change anything. Suspend or ban the guilty parties and move on.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 16, 2020, 06:18:28 AM
They can just vacate it.

Anyway, if these rumors about Astros players wearing buzzers that told them what pitch was coming are true, they should all be banned for life. That kind of cheating is way too far.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 16, 2020, 06:23:52 AM
The same person is claiming Gleyber Torres used one too.

Ultimately that exposes one of the biggest issues in all this. The Astros (and Red Sox, they were fined in 2017) aren't the only teams who cheated. They're the only teams who got caught. It's possible any team that was good in 2017-18 was stealing signs.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 16, 2020, 06:25:20 AM
Also, if MLB doesn't have a method for making sure players don't have anything hidden under their uniforms, they certainly aren't capable of seeing if a pitcher is loaded up with Vaseline or something.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Cartman on January 16, 2020, 06:34:16 AM
https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/01/mlb-rumors-carlos-beltrans-niece-says-astros-jose-altuve-alex-bregman-wore-devices-that-buzzed-as-part-of-sign-stealing-scandal.html
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 16, 2020, 06:44:35 AM
The same person is claiming Gleyber Torres used one too

Link?   :'(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on January 16, 2020, 06:46:37 AM
They can just vacate it.

Anyway, if these rumors about Astros players wearing buzzers that told them what pitch was coming are true, they should all be banned for life. That kind of cheating is way too far.

?fbclid=IwAR3FdOgofUNIDbuiMHclpGXNUmTTK472iq20Vrntj87NMapVUdpPkQxhBXQ
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 16, 2020, 07:02:49 AM
The same person is claiming Gleyber Torres used one too

Link?   :'(
?s=21
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 16, 2020, 07:42:18 AM
The same person is claiming Gleyber Torres used one too

Link?   :'(
?s=21

Doesn’t seem real. Account was deactivated before that “tweet.”

EDIT: photoshopped by a Red Sox fan. Fuck that dude.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Krankor on January 16, 2020, 08:56:38 AM
Here's the question, The manager and GM both got year long suspensions that basically will be life long bans because no one will hire them. The players clearly were participating. Shouldn't the players be suspended also? The "just following orders" excuse really doesn't hold much weight.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Krankor on January 16, 2020, 09:39:55 AM
Jessica Mendoza sure has a whole lot of integrity for the game. Blame the whistle blower!

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/01/mets-jessica-mendoza-calls-out-mike-fiers-for-exposing-astros-cheating-scandal
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on January 16, 2020, 09:43:27 AM
Hey Mike Trout is trending on Twitter
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Krankor on January 16, 2020, 09:54:03 AM
The banging noise system was bad enough. That really took some of the blame out of the players hands. That's kind of a "if you want to use it, it's there" type cheating system. This players wearing buzzers bullshit takes it up a whole other notch. That shows they were completely complicit.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 17, 2020, 12:35:36 AM
The same person is claiming Gleyber Torres used one too

Link?   :'(
?s=21

Doesn’t seem real. Account was deactivated before that “tweet.”

EDIT: photoshopped by a Red Sox fan. Fuck that dude.
My apologies then. I shouldn't have spread it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: tekcop on January 17, 2020, 04:11:44 AM
The banging and whistling stuff was hilarious and I've been mostly indifferent to it. But wearing vibrating patches feels like a few steps too far. Too dirty to be fun.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on January 17, 2020, 06:59:22 AM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on January 17, 2020, 08:36:41 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28503160
Jack McDowell says Tony La Russa had a camera inserted in the Gatorade sign in the outfield when La Russa coached the White Sox in the '80s

lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Dandy on January 17, 2020, 09:37:17 AM
This is why Al Gore invented the internet via a series of tubes all those years ago:

?s=21

I meant to post it this morning and never got around to it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on January 18, 2020, 09:07:04 AM
that lenny dykstra reply:

(https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/george-costanza-open-mouth-shock.gif)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: strummer on January 20, 2020, 09:27:41 AM
Braves signed Felix Hernandez
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: Thrasher on January 21, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread
Post by: alkeiper on January 22, 2020, 02:06:18 AM
Honestly, could there be a more depressing way to celebrate a championship?