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Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Mole on October 06, 2009, 05:03:09 AM
Inspired by ESPN’s anniversary, ESPN Films’ 30 for 30 is an unprecedented documentary series featuring thirty films from some of today’s finest storytellers. Each filmmaker will bring their passion and personal point of view to their film detailing the issues, trends, athletes, teams, rivalries, games and events that transformed the sports landscape from 1979 to 2009.

Here is the full schedule:

Kings Ransom by Peter Berg Tuesday Oct 6 8pm ESPN (Wayne Gretzky trade to LA)

The Band That Wouldn't Die by Barry Levinson Tuesday Oct 13 8pm ESPN (Baltimore Colts move to Indy)

Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL? by Mike Tollin Tuesday Oct 20 8pm ESPN (USFL)

Muhammad and Larry by Albert Maysles Tuesday Oct 27 8pm ESPN (Ali and Larry Holmes fight)

Without Bias by Kirk Fraser Tuesday Nov 3 8pm ESPN (Len Bias)

The Legend of Jimmy The Greek by Fritz Mitchell Tuesday Nov 10 8pm ESPN (CBS Sports Analyst Jimmy The Greek)

The U by Billy Corben Saturday Dec 12 9pm ESPN (Miami Hurricanes football team)

Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs. The New York Knicks by Dan Klores Sunday Mar 14 9pm ESPN (Title says it all)

And that's their schedule so far. But here are the other films with no schedule date  yet.

Guru of Go by Bill Couturie (Paul Westhead)

No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson by Steve James (Allen Iverson and friends trial after a fight in 93)

Into the Wind by Steve Nash (Terry Fox)

Jordan Rides the Bus by Ron Shelton (Michael Jordan tries baseball)

Charismatic by Asylum Entertainment (Charismatic's try for the Triple Crown)

One Simple Gesture by Cliff Bestall and Produced by Morgan Freeman and Lori McCreary (Rugby in South Africa)

The Two Escobars by Jeff Zimbalist (The Columbian goalie getting killed after own goal vs the US)

June 17, 1994 by Brett Morgen (OJ and the Bronco)

Birth of Big Air by Jeff Tremaine and Produced by Johnny Knoxville and Spike Jonze (Mat Hoffman)

Silly Little Game by Adam Kurland and Lucas Jansen (Origin of Fantasy Sports)

Steve Bartman: Catching Hell by Alex Gibney (Steve Bartman)

Unmatched by Lisa Lax, Nancy Stern with Hannah Storm (Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova)

One Night in Vegas by Reggie Rock Bythewood (Tyson's first title win)

Marion Jones: Press Pause by John Singleton (Marion Jones steroid stuff)

Straight Outta L.A. by Ice Cube (Raiders move from LA to Oakland)

The Steinbrenner Family Business by Barbara Kopple (The Steinbrenners)

Right To Play by Frank Marshall (Johann Olav Koss the speed skater)

The Best That Never Was by Jonathan Hock (Marcus Dupree)

That is all they have said they are making, but I am pretty sure there is a 2004 Red Sox one coming as well. I mean, what else was a bigger story in 2004?


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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on October 06, 2009, 05:06:36 AM
This is crazy, but I think I'm going to watch all of those.

The Two Escobars? YESSSSS!

As for the Sox in 2004, everyone is completely shitted out on that, it's over-covered and I don't think another documentary surrounding that warrants airing.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on October 06, 2009, 05:07:21 AM
"Jordan Rides the Bus by Ron Shelton (Michael Jordan tries baseball)"

Well...the man did direct the best baseball comedy ever.  This should provide a perfect follow up.
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Post by: alkeiper on October 06, 2009, 05:50:02 AM
Shelton actually played minor league ball as well, so he has good perspective on it.
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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on October 06, 2009, 05:53:18 AM
Correction; One Night in Vegas is about the Mike Tyson-Bruce Seldon fight where Mike Tyson won back the title after getting out of prison and it was also the fight that Tupac was at before he got shot.

Besides, he won his first title in Atlantic City! *readjusts glasses*
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Post by: #sorrynotsorry on October 06, 2009, 05:55:30 AM
These actually look good. I'll make sure to catch these.
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Post by: CanadianChris on October 06, 2009, 06:24:06 AM
Simmons did an interview with Alan Sepinwall recently where he said he had the idea of doing a documentary of Games 4-7 of the 2004 ALCS through the eyes of the players, but it looks like it's not going to happen.

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June 17, 1994 by Brett Morgen (OJ and the Bronco)

From what I've read, this is supposed to have an interesting angle, as there were about 8-10 big things that happened on that day, including the OJ chase, the Rangers' Stanley Cup parade and Game 5 of the Knicks-Rockets series.
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Post by: KingPK on October 06, 2009, 07:00:09 AM
Wasn't the World Cup going on at that time as well?
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Post by: CanadianChris on October 06, 2009, 07:01:40 AM
Wasn't the World Cup going on at that time as well?

Yes. In fact, June 17 was the day the tournament started.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on October 06, 2009, 07:23:12 AM
There are a lot of people out there that think Tyson/Seldon featured a dive on the part of big ol' Bruce. Also this was the second belt he had won since getting out of prison, not the first. He dropped the WBC belt after beating Frank Bruno because Lennox Lewis wasn't a palatable option for big bucks. Look how that turned out later. For some godforsaken reason Seldon is still fighting so I hope the documentary touches on that. This is gonna be a hell of a series.

Mike Tyson vs Bruce Seldon KO (1996) FULL and HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPMgMBUsCI&feature=related#normal)

Judge for yourself
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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on October 06, 2009, 07:30:42 AM
Totally forgot about the Frank Bruno rematch.

Yeah, that does look fishy. I'm not sure if it was a dive so much as Bruce Seldon being scared shitless of Iron Mike (even in '96, he still had the shitkicker mystique) and just not wanting to get pummeled.
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Post by: Mole on October 06, 2009, 07:48:06 AM
As for the Sox in 2004, everyone is completely shitted out on that, it's over-covered and I don't think another documentary surrounding that warrants airing.

In the 30for30 trailer, they show the Sox. I'm sure they will do some sort of angle on it.

http://30for30.espn.com/ (http://30for30.espn.com/)
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on October 06, 2009, 11:53:24 AM
Peter Berg is one of my favourite directors, so I'm looking forward to this
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on October 06, 2009, 11:55:11 AM
Peter Berg is one of your favorite directors?

Hancock Peter Berg?
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on October 06, 2009, 12:16:14 PM
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better
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Post by: Psycho Penguin on October 06, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
The Gretzky one kicked ass. Looking forward to the next 2, been reading about the USFL lately and of course the Colts moving is something I'd be interested in watching.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on October 06, 2009, 12:24:32 PM
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better

Knowing this makes me have to rethink all of your reviews and recommendations.

It's not quite as bad as someone telling me that Ransom or the Patriot are good movies...but it's close.  Or Van Helsing or the first and third Spiderman movies for that matter.
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Post by: Psycho Penguin on October 06, 2009, 12:50:02 PM
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better

Knowing this makes me have to rethink all of your reviews and recommendations.

It's not quite as bad as someone telling me that Ransom or the Patriot are good movies...but it's close.  Or Van Helsing or the first and third Spiderman movies for that matter.


The first Spiderman was really good though.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on October 06, 2009, 12:52:12 PM
No.  No it really wasn't.  There were so so many things wrong with that movie.  The pinnacle being reached with the rooftop conversation between Spiderman and Goblin with closeups on their faces for the ridiculously dramatic dialogue...despite the fact that you could seen neither facial expressions nor mouths moving through their masks.

DON'T TELL HARRY!!!
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on October 06, 2009, 12:53:32 PM
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better

Knowing this makes me have to rethink all of your reviews and recommendations.

It's not quite as bad as someone telling me that Ransom or the Patriot are good movies...but it's close.  Or Van Helsing or the first and third Spiderman movies for that matter.

I had Hancock ranked 25th for 08. (Out of 119 movies) I did have issues with it, and I think the version Berg and Smith intended to make would've been ruled, but I thought it was a fun popcorn movie, and Berg was able to put his stamp on it.

I like the first Spider-Man movie, and the third, well, I tried to justify it
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Post by: Mole on October 07, 2009, 07:04:52 AM
Berg did Friday Night Lights. Nuff said.
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Post by: CanadianChris on October 07, 2009, 11:30:43 AM
Any torrents for this available yet?  Haven't been able to find one, I figured it would be up quickly.
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Post by: Psycho Penguin on October 13, 2009, 11:04:45 AM
Have you been able to find a torrent yet?

The Colts one is on now. FUCK THE COLTS.
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Post by: CanadianChris on October 13, 2009, 11:45:51 AM
No, but it did go up on YouTube.
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Post by: Psycho Penguin on October 20, 2009, 11:23:56 AM
Documentary on the USFL now, this interests me a lot. Was reading about USFL on wiki a few weeks ago so nice to see it on TV.
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Post by: KingPK on November 03, 2009, 04:12:18 PM
Without Bias is the best one of this series so far.  His death really did affect a lot of things, including the Celtics franchise because they had such a perfect situation with drafting such an elite player right after winning the championship.  

I call bullshit on the "he never tried drugs until that night" claim only because it's college and how prevalent cocaine use was in those days.
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Post by: Gert on November 03, 2009, 04:40:41 PM
Well it seems like at least two of his teammates debunked that myth as well. Only caught the first 35 minutes, but it was great stuff. I give a lot of credit to Mom and Pops. Their insight made that piece.

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Post by: Psycho Penguin on November 03, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
That was the best one yet. I haven't seen the boxing one since I am not interested in boxing at all, but I'll go
1. Bias
2. USFL
3. Colts
4. Gretzky

Interesting that 2 of the 4 have to do with Maryland and the Baltimore Stars won a USFL title.. hey a CFL documentary about how they tried to expand to America would kick ass.

But yeah, this was a great piece. I didn't know Boston had won the title and still had the #2 pick. I figured they were in their down years and drafted Bias as a way to get back to greatness and when he died, the franchise fell apart.

The Celtics said they drug tested him and he passed (also admitting they'd probably have signed him even if he failed, so not like they have a reason to lie now) and no one saw him do drugs before that night. He reacted quite badly to the cocaine he took that night so it's entirely possible he had never tried it before. The police said it was pure cocaine, too.
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Post by: CanadianChris on November 03, 2009, 11:59:33 PM
The fact that it was pure cocaine was likely what did him in.  It was too strong.

As someone with an interest in sports betting, the Jimmy the Greek doc next week should be tremendous.  It's the first one I'll actually get to see as it airs.
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Post by: KingPK on November 04, 2009, 06:05:54 AM
Yeah, how the fuck did Red pull off getting the #2 pick that year anyway?
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Post by: Psycho Penguin on November 04, 2009, 08:31:58 AM
He traded Gerald Henderson in 1984 for Seattle's top pick in 1988 apparently.
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Post by: Cheech Tremendous on November 04, 2009, 08:37:59 AM
In the pre-salary cap era draft picks were passed around more than a hooker at a bachelor party.  It wasn't uncommon for picks to be traded two, three or for times years before the draft even occurred.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 04, 2009, 09:01:45 AM
Muhammad and Larry was my second favorite. Really sad stuff that unfortunately is swept under the rug when people speak about the legacy of Ali.
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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on March 14, 2010, 02:22:49 PM
Anybody watch tonight's episode? I thought it was one of the strongest yet even if the last 10 minutes felt incredibly rushed. Why not just use up the whole ninety minutes and talk more about the '99 Eastern Conference Finals? All around though, I liked it a lot. I thought there was no way you could make those Pacers-Knicks series' as interesting as they did.

Oddly, they don't begin airing more episodes until April for some reason. Next batch is The Trial of Allen Iverson doc by the director of Hoops Dreams (should be really good), the documentary on the creation of rotisserie leagues, the Ricky Williams documentary (also really looking forward to that), Morgran Freeman's doc on the South African rugby team, and Ice Cube's documentary on The Raiders (aw shit) .
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on March 14, 2010, 02:26:00 PM
I watched the first half, and it brought back a lot of fond memories, but made me so angry. I forgot how much I despised Reggie Miller and John Starks.
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Post by: Jaxxxson Mayhem on March 14, 2010, 02:29:00 PM
I watched it and liked it.   It reminded me how much of a racist pile of shit spike lee is.
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Post by: darthtiki on March 14, 2010, 03:38:23 PM
So far my favorite was The U.  I just hope the 4-letter releases these on disc, because there are several I want.
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Post by: Gert on March 14, 2010, 05:10:20 PM
They are releasing it, not sure as a set though, but there were commercials promoting the sales of the ones already aired.


What was with the Spike Lee racist comment?
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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on March 14, 2010, 05:40:42 PM
Spike Lee was talking about going to Indiana for the '94 Eastern Conference Finals and the hostility that he received there and joked about how they probably would have lynched him if they could have. He also pointed out that The Ku Klux Klan (well to be technical, the second, modern iteration of the group born after Birth of A Nation) was founded there. Cowboy Numbers is from Indiana and hence doesn't like being called a racist.
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Post by: Jaxxxson Mayhem on March 14, 2010, 05:51:04 PM
Spike Lee was talking about going to Indiana for the '94 Eastern Conference Finals and the hostility that he received there and joked about how they probably would have lynched him if they could have. He also pointed out that The Ku Klux Klan (well to be technical, the second, modern iteration of the group born after Birth of A Nation) was founded there. Cowboy Numbers is from Indiana and hence doesn't like being called a racist.


This is true.
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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on March 14, 2010, 05:55:11 PM
That shot of two Pacers fans wearing upside down pennants on their head so they sort of looked like Klan hoods didn't really hurt Spike's argument.

Another valuable lesson I learned from the doc: Indianapolis=Nap City.
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Post by: Jaxxxson Mayhem on March 14, 2010, 06:23:46 PM
That shot of two Pacers fans wearing upside down pennants on their head so they sort of looked like Klan hoods didn't really hurt Spike's argument.

Another valuable lesson I learned from the doc: Indianapolis=Nap City.

Eh.


and it's usually referred to as "Naptown"  but I like to call it the "Circle City"
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Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 14, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
Muhammad and Larry was my second favorite. Really sad stuff that unfortunately is swept under the rug when people speak about the legacy of Ali.

What did you mean by this?
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Post by: Kurt Angle Mark on March 16, 2010, 11:02:45 PM
Anybody watch tonight's episode? I thought it was one of the strongest yet even if the last 10 minutes felt incredibly rushed. Why not just use up the whole ninety minutes and talk more about the '99 Eastern Conference Finals?

Because then they would have had to brought up the Pacers beating the Knicks in '98 and 2000. The Larry Johnson thing was added on at the end because the director is a Knick fan.

The film was about the two spectacular moments Reggie Miller had against the Knicks.

Since Reggie Miller was my favorite player I loved the film. I went to the local mini mall and bought my Reggie jersey as soon as the final horn went off in the "8 points in 8 seconds" game.
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Post by: Vampiro69 on April 13, 2010, 11:25:08 AM
So far the first half hour of the Iverson episode has been outstanding.
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Post by: Gert on April 19, 2010, 04:20:03 PM
The Iverson ep was good. I have a feeling at 40 for 40 time, Iverson from 96 on will make for must see viewing too.

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Post by: CanadianChris on May 04, 2010, 10:57:29 PM
Any reaction to The 16th Man?  I had heard it was supposed to be way better than Invictus, although that wouldn't be saying a lot.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 05, 2010, 03:30:15 AM
It was the exact same thing as Invictus. I don't even know why they bothered
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Post by: Youth N Asia on May 05, 2010, 03:51:11 AM
It was the exact same thing as Invictus. I don't even know why they bothered

Which felt like a pointless movie to begin with.
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Post by: Damaramu on May 05, 2010, 12:31:16 PM
It was the exact same thing as Invictus. I don't even know why they bothered

Which felt like a pointless movie to begin with.

You take that back!
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Post by: Beer Baron on May 05, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela is a good choice, but the rugby story wasn't that great.
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Post by: Youth N Asia on May 05, 2010, 03:16:54 PM
It was the exact same thing as Invictus. I don't even know why they bothered

Which felt like a pointless movie to begin with.

You take that back!

After watching the movie I though, ok, this is a true story, it did happen...but did it really need to be a movie. Fine acting all around, but if you've seen the trailer you've pretty much seen the movie.
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Post by: Damaramu on May 05, 2010, 04:46:54 PM
I just like it because it was about rugby....that's really it.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 14, 2010, 05:11:58 AM
There should've been a warning before the Raiders doc about looking at Al Davis
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Post by: Star Ocean 3 on May 14, 2010, 05:25:44 AM
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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on May 14, 2010, 05:33:36 AM
He really looks more and more like The Cryptkeeper every passing year.

I liked The Raiders documentary well enough but I couldn't help but get the feeling that it would have been a lot better if it were done by an actual director and/or someone who was a bit more objective about the topic.
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on May 14, 2010, 05:37:37 AM
But then how else could we have heard what Chris Reid from Kid 'n' Play thought about the Raiders?
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Post by: #sorrynotsorry on May 14, 2010, 05:38:23 AM
Uhhh, Ice Cube is an actual director.

Missed the doc the first time around, but for some reason I'm not that interested. The Los Angeles Raiders are still a sore spot in my sports pysche.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 14, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Chris Reid looked old.

It's pretty good so far, but Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube casually talking about the Raiders in LA Coliseum was hilarious.

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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on May 14, 2010, 05:47:29 AM
OK, I looked at his IMDb page and was reminded that Ice Cube did direct beloved classic Players Club. They tried to tackle too much (no pun intended?) for a one hour documentary. The bits about the formation of the history of NWA was too long. It's not like there isn't other documentaries on them out there.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on May 14, 2010, 08:47:49 AM
Uhhh, Ice Cube is an actual director.

Missed the doc the first time around, but for some reason I'm not that interested. The Los Angeles Raiders are still a sore spot in my sports pysche.

they will be back
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Post by: Gert on June 22, 2010, 04:13:49 PM
The Two Escobars was pretty amazing. One of my favorite so far.

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Post by: Psycho Penguin on June 23, 2010, 04:00:42 AM
The Two Escobars was pretty amazing. One of my favorite so far.



I tried to watch it but 90 percent of it was subtitled, so I'll have to watch it on DVR later.

June 17, 1994 was one of the better ones they've done. The Miller/Knicks was probably my favorite so far, but there have been a lot of good ones.
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Post by: Vampiro69 on June 25, 2010, 06:24:35 AM
I was looking forward to watching June 17th, 1994 after I got done with league golf.  Unfortunately my DVR decided not to record that night.  Hoping to catch it on replay soon though.
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Post by: CanadianChris on June 25, 2010, 07:29:14 AM
I was looking forward to watching June 17th, 1994 after I got done with league golf.  Unfortunately my DVR decided not to record that night.  Hoping to catch it on replay soon though.

It was the best of the series before The Two Escobars aired.
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Post by: MFer on August 25, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
Anyone watch "Jordan Rides the Bus"? I really liked it, actually. I didn't realize he hit over .250 in the Arizona Fall League that year. Obviously, he still wasn't a good player, but he did alright for a 31-year-old who hadn't played since high school. Still, many people will probably view this as a case of revisionist history. They also kinda glossed over the gambling angle, but it was still a good piece overall.
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Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on August 25, 2010, 06:15:33 PM
Yeah it was alright. What that one guy said about how Jordan would of eventually made it to the majors if not for the strike because of his character and how much of a perfectionist he is... I kind of agreed with this.
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Post by: the max on August 26, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
I still think the gambling suspension fits the retirement story better than him just retiring at his peak because of a dream. I mean, Steve Kerr and a Michael Jordan biographer told me different but it felt too glossed over.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 26, 2010, 11:47:35 PM
I still think the gambling suspension fits the retirement story better than him just retiring at his peak because of a dream. I mean, Steve Kerr and a Michael Jordan biographer told me different but it felt too glossed over.

I didn't watch this, but I was wondering if they were going to mention the gambling. From they way you say it, they didn't talk much about it, did they?
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Post by: CanadianChris on August 27, 2010, 02:08:56 AM
I was listening to Ron Shelton on Simmons' podcast.  He said he was going after the gambling storyline, but there was absolutely no evidence at all that that was even a possibility.

I thought it was OK, but not great.  There really wasn't anything there I didn't already know.
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Post by: #sorrynotsorry on August 27, 2010, 02:17:42 AM
I was listening to Ron Shelton on Simmons' podcast.  He said he was going after the gambling storyline, but there was absolutely no evidence at all that that was even a possibility.

I thought it was OK, but not great.  There really wasn't anything there I didn't already know.

Bullshit. ESPN just doesn't want to piss off King Jordan.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 27, 2010, 03:40:32 AM
I was listening to Ron Shelton on Simmons' podcast.  He said he was going after the gambling storyline, but there was absolutely no evidence at all that that was even a possibility.

I thought it was OK, but not great.  There really wasn't anything there I didn't already know.

Bullshit. ESPN just doesn't want to piss off King Jordan.

I'd go with this.
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Post by: #sorrynotsorry on August 27, 2010, 03:52:09 AM
I mean really, we're not stupid. Of course their is no "evidence" cause no that has money tied to Jordan would dare let it leak. I mean it's believable and not out of the realm of possibility. I dunno, I guess I don't see Jordan as this god everyone makes him to be.

ESPN is the Fox News of sports.
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Post by: the max on August 27, 2010, 08:17:08 AM
I was listening to Ron Shelton on Simmons' podcast.  He said he was going after the gambling storyline, but there was absolutely no evidence at all that that was even a possibility.

I thought it was OK, but not great.  There really wasn't anything there I didn't already know.

He interviewed one of Jordan's former teammates and a man who has literally made his living covering Michael Jordan. Not sure why he expected something different. Of course they're not going to say anything but for it to get 2 minutes of the documentary was pretty poor. How many minutes did they need to say "You know what? He just wanted to get away from it all! That's why he walked away from the sport he loved at the peak of his career to play baseball." I was more interested in how they were going to explain that.
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Post by: alkeiper on August 27, 2010, 12:45:49 PM
If Jordan were escaping the NBA because of gambling I doubt that baseball would've taken him with open arms. 
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on August 27, 2010, 12:49:12 PM
Haha, that made me laugh.

I haven't seen the doc yet, though I want to, but I remember Jordan's minor league sojourn just being so...strange
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Post by: Byron The Bulp on August 27, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
How many minutes did they need to say "You know what? He just wanted to get away from it all! That's why he walked away from the sport he loved at the peak of his career to play baseball." I was more interested in how they were going to explain that.

Well, I mean, also his dad was murdered at a rest stop. I'm sure that did some damage to his mental composure.
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Post by: #sorrynotsorry on August 27, 2010, 03:24:11 PM
If Jordan were escaping the NBA because of gambling I doubt that baseball would've taken him with open arms. 

Not if Jerry Reinsdorf had anything to do with it.
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Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on August 28, 2010, 07:07:57 AM
How many minutes did they need to say "You know what? He just wanted to get away from it all! That's why he walked away from the sport he loved at the peak of his career to play baseball." I was more interested in how they were going to explain that.

Well, I mean, also his dad was murdered at a rest stop. I'm sure that did some damage to his mental composure.

Which to a lot of conspiracy theorists had to do with Jordan's gambling debt.
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Post by: Byron The Bulp on August 28, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
David Stern had James Jordan killed to punish MJ.
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Post by: #sorrynotsorry on August 28, 2010, 03:31:09 PM
Loan sharks had James Jordan killed to punish MJ.

Fixed it for you
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Post by: Byron The Bulp on August 29, 2010, 02:02:19 PM
If you don't think puppet master Stern was behind the whole thing you are NAIVE.
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Post by: Beer Baron on September 20, 2010, 12:37:43 AM
Did anyone catch the Terry Fox episode? Second best episode only behind the Two Escobars.
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Post by: CanadianChris on September 20, 2010, 07:16:28 AM
I did, it was fantastic.  Hopefully it translates to the American audience well.
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Post by: CanadianGuitarist on September 20, 2010, 02:52:06 PM
What did Nash have a hand in? Was that the 30 for 30 episode or was it simply a Canadian special?
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: wnyxmcneal on September 20, 2010, 03:59:36 PM
I don't think the Terry Fox special has aired yet.

Why would ESPN do a documentary on a quitter?
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: CanadianChris on September 20, 2010, 11:53:25 PM
What did Nash have a hand in? Was that the 30 for 30 episode or was it simply a Canadian special?

That was the 30 for 30.  I assume that Canada got it early to coincide with the Terry Fox runs.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: KingPK on October 05, 2010, 08:25:26 AM
Tonight it's Four Days in October about the Red Sox comeback in '04.  Bill Simmons and Lenny Clarke are supposed to be featured but don't let that keep you away because I've heard it's really good and shows footage the players themselves shot.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: KingPK on October 05, 2010, 11:30:55 AM
Oh fuck, they showed Schilling's ankle.  How the holy hell did he pitch with that?
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: KingPK on October 05, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
This needs to be like 6 hours longer.  They had to gloss over a lot of stuff.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: wnyxmcneal on October 05, 2010, 02:36:08 PM
Tonight it's Four Days in October about the Red Sox comeback in '04.  Bill Simmons and Lenny Clarke are supposed to be featured but don't let that keep you away because I've heard it's really good and shows footage the players themselves shot.

AV Club gave it a C
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on October 06, 2010, 12:00:26 AM
This needs to be like 6 hours longer.  They had to gloss over a lot of stuff.

I loved this one. I could have watched more of this, it was still as captivating as when I first watched it happen.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Broward on October 12, 2010, 12:18:55 PM
Once Brothers is fucking awesome...sad I missed the first half.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on October 15, 2010, 09:29:30 AM
This needs to be like 6 hours longer.  They had to gloss over a lot of stuff.

I loved this one. I could have watched more of this, it was still as captivating as when I first watched it happen.

Just watched this and agree.  Bill/Lenny sucked but the NESN clips, ESPN clips, player footage, all just really captivating to watch.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on October 29, 2010, 07:33:48 AM
I hate NASCAR, but my favourite was definitely the one on Tim Richmond. Pretty fascinating story, and I had no idea about how such a great driver had his life cut short during his prime because of AIDS. I feel like at some point I must have come across this, but nope. The only complaint is that they glossed over the idea that he might have intentionally exposed others to the virus, which is pretty unnerving.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: wnyxmcneal on October 29, 2010, 07:35:27 AM
The Red Sox doc was pointless, but I really liked the story about Vlade Divac and Drazen Petrovic
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on December 14, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
*bump*

I've got the repeat of "Pony Excess" set to record tomorrow night. I heard it's one of the better installments to air in a while. The last bunch haven't been quite up to par IMHO. I just watched the Little League World Series one from  to clear it off my DVR and man, there'd been average to middling installments but that was the first one I thought "Well, that kind of sucked". Too bad because I think there was a good documentary subject in there buried beneath the ridiculously hyperbolic narration. "Kirkland, Washington's victory over Taiwan helped heal a wounded nation..." WTF?
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 15, 2010, 11:26:14 AM
Yeah, the "Pony Express" episode was quite solid overall and felt longer than the other episodes that have aired.  Very in-depth look from the start to the end and even did a quickie epilogue of sorts with the recent hiring of June Jones.  I especially loved the variety of interviews featured.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: WKU Tops on December 15, 2010, 11:40:19 AM
I often wonder what the NCAA would do with an SMU-type situation today.  I don't think they'd give them the death penalty, since the NCAA seems like they won't do that to a program ever again.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on December 15, 2010, 11:52:02 AM
Uhhh, USC was given the toughest sanctions since SMU this year brah
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: wnyxmcneal on December 15, 2010, 01:34:14 PM
Uhhh, USC was given the toughest sanctions since SMU this year brah

Brah?

The NCAA has done the death penalty since SMU but to Division II and Division III schools.

I know Kentucky in the late 80s-early 90s was close to getting death penaltyed.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: WKU Tops on December 15, 2010, 05:38:03 PM
Yeah, but I don't know if the NCAA really has the balls to really do that to a Division I program anymore, especially if they are in a big media market.  Sure, the USC sanctions were harsh, but they aren't near death penalty level.

If the NCAA had given UK the death penalty in the late 1980s there would've been a riot.  No joke.  Basketball is life for people here in the Bluegrass state and it wouldn't have been pretty.  People who want to talk about the USC sanctions haven't got anything on UK during that period.  We couldn't even play on television IN OUR OWN STATE for a year!  The only good thing to come out of the debacle was that we lucked into Rick Pitino.  The AD wanted PJ Carlisimo and Pat Riley, but both declined and thank god for that.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 10, 2011, 08:55:41 AM
Just watched the episode Once Brothers and I think it's my favorite of all of them thus far.  Probably the most emotional one too.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Gert on January 10, 2011, 04:19:40 PM
Yeah, but I don't know if the NCAA really has the balls to really do that to a Division I program anymore, especially if they are in a big media market.  Sure, the USC sanctions were harsh, but they aren't near death penalty level.

If the NCAA had given UK the death penalty in the late 1980s there would've been a riot.  No joke.  Basketball is life for people here in the Bluegrass state and it wouldn't have been pretty.  People who want to talk about the USC sanctions haven't got anything on UK during that period.  We couldn't even play on television IN OUR OWN STATE for a year!  The only good thing to come out of the debacle was that we lucked into Rick Pitino.  The AD wanted PJ Carlisimo and Pat Riley, but both declined and thank god for that.

I think the no media rights were finished after the Auburn team (93?) since they realized it was a pointless ban since it hurt the teams playing the offender as much as the team with the sanctions.

Title: 30 for 30
Post by: alkeiper on March 20, 2011, 11:57:38 PM
Watching the Ali/Holmes documentary. Watching the training footage, its amazing anyone thought Ali was in condition to fight Holmes. Its even more amazing that Ali fought again after the Holmes fight.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: WKU Tops on March 21, 2011, 04:12:46 AM
I wish they would do a 30 for 30 on the Unforgettables, the seniors on the 1992 UK basketball team that stuck around when the sanctions hit and who were the nucleus of the team (minus Jamal Mashburn) that took Duke to the limit in the regional final.  Fox Sports did a small one a few years back, but I imagine ESPN could do a better job.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: jimmy no nose on September 29, 2011, 04:29:37 AM
I've watched about half of the Bartman show so far.  So far there's been as much talk about the Red Sox as the Cubs.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 29, 2011, 04:34:04 AM
Is it only about Bartman? I thought it was supposed to be about fans placing blame on others for their team losing.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Aero on September 29, 2011, 04:34:26 AM
Yeah, the director, a Boston fan, wanted to really drive home the parallels between the Buckner play and Bartman, in regards to the fanbase reactions. I watched this the other day and thought it was about as well done as it could possibly be without Bartman, himself, being interviewed.  

Edit: Bearhugger, Bartman is the primary focus, but it relates it to Boston's troubles, as well.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on November 10, 2011, 03:50:15 AM
I had no intentions of watching Roll Tide/War Eagle, but someone put it on against my complaints. It was one of the worst things I've ever seen. A million Internet bucks to whoever can explain to me the point of the possibly retarded piano player dressed in the white gown with Hercules armbands.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Monsoon Classic on November 10, 2011, 07:07:00 AM
I can't wait for 2014 when ESPN Films can put together a documentary about Cleveland not winning diddley dick in any sport for 50 years.
Title: 30 for 30
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on November 10, 2011, 07:08:31 AM
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Title: 30 for 30
Post by: Monsoon Classic on November 10, 2011, 07:10:46 AM
He's from Parma. Justin Roberts is a fountain of misinformation.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: KingPK on June 20, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
I've been catching up on these with Netflix the last month or so.  Just watched Once Brothers and it no question is the best one of the entire series.  Just engrossing to watch all the way through.

The Bartman one was good when they focused on the Cubs and seemingly the fans melting down after the play; they were so tightly wound that Alou's tantrum followed by FOX's incessant replays of the incident made a bad situation so much worse.  If that happened today Bartman's home address and number would be on Twitter before the inning was over.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 17, 2013, 06:31:50 AM
Bumping this for next week's episode which looks interesting.  Elway to Marino (8:00 PM ET - 9:30) covering the 6 QBs selected in the 1983 NFL Draft.

The NC State one a few weeks ago was good and somewhat emotional as well given the subject matter.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 23, 2013, 04:54:49 PM
I'm watching it now and it's fantastic.

I didn't know this story about the league probably killing a trade that would have landed Elway to the Raiders...probably because Al Davis had spent 3 years suing the league to move the team.

Or that the Niners explored getting Elway and ditching Montana.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 23, 2013, 05:31:06 PM
You know what's cool about this draft?  Back with the old divisions all 5 teams in the AFC East took a QB in round 1.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 23, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
I too found the documentary fantastic, especially the trade options (including Dallas willing to trade QB Danny White).  I also wonder what would have happened if the Raiders deal went through and Howie Long landed in KC while Elway went to Oakland.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on October 23, 2013, 07:18:22 AM
The latest one about John Spano frauding his way into owning the New York Islanders in 1996/1997 is absolutely fascinating in a holy fuck at every party way.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Jaxxxson Mayhem on October 23, 2013, 08:57:21 AM
I was most interested in E making the movie.  Then again I was only partly paying attention.

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Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: chuck on October 23, 2013, 11:46:24 AM
I wish they would do a 30 for 30 on the Unforgettables, the seniors on the 1992 UK basketball team that stuck around when the sanctions hit and who were the nucleus of the team (minus Jamal Mashburn) that took Duke to the limit in the regional final.  Fox Sports did a small one a few years back, but I imagine ESPN could do a better job.
This would be really interesting now considering Mr. Basketball Richie Farmer's political rise and fall in Kentucky.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Bored on October 23, 2013, 11:52:30 AM
The latest one about John Spano frauding his way into owning the New York Islanders in 1996/1997 is absolutely fascinating in a holy fuck at every party way.

I actually followed hockey fairly closely back then and watched Sportscenter ad nauseam but I had no memory of this. It's a great story but Kevin Connolly's narration and putting himself on camera were annoying as hell.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: strummer on October 23, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
yeah I have no recollection of the Spano story at all.  That would be huge today.  The guy from the league office (I think) was the smartest one of them all after being suspicious after Spano didn't pick up the lunch tab during their meeting
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Bored on December 16, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
Highest recommendation for Youngstown Boys which is about Maurice Clarett and secondarily Jim Tressel. It was done by the same directors of The Two Escobars.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 24, 2014, 07:06:12 AM
Watched the Olympic one on Kerrigan/Harding.  Not bad but not great either.  Doesn't help that the main key interviewee was Harding so the portrait seemed a bit one-sided towards sympathy for her (and the Kerrigan side was basically, "We suspect she did it/was involved just because they were top competitors").

I'm not sold Tonya is entirely innocent.  I think she overheard stuff and never intervened but I also don't think she was the ringleader.  The "bodyguard" screamed dumb fuck moron and I'd readily believe that her husband & the "bodyguard" rolled on her simply to save their own skin whether she was involved or not.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: MFer on March 16, 2014, 01:20:23 PM
Highest recommendation for the Big East 30 for 30.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on March 16, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
Highest recommendation for the Big East 30 for 30.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 17, 2014, 02:25:26 AM
Thirded.  Absolutely fascinating documentary, especially for anybody who is/was a fan of any Big East teams.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: MFer on April 17, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
Yeah...this Bad Boys one is up there too.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Incandenza on April 17, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
It was a trip seeing Dennis Rodman back when he still looked like a human being.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 18, 2014, 09:53:08 AM
Anyone watch the 30 for 30 about Hillsborough? What did the people who watched it think?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on April 18, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
I'm watching the Bad Boys one now and it's awesome. I've always been a huge Rodman fan, I own his Pistons jersey, and John Salley has always been a favorite of mine.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: alkeiper on April 18, 2014, 09:21:54 PM
Anyone watch the 30 for 30 about Hillsborough? What did the people who watched it think?
I did. I thought it was very good. Only criticism is that there are things about soccer and sport that are obvious to people in England, but probably could have been spelled out to Americans. I don't think they did much to adequately describe the layout of the Hillsborough grounds. I was surprised they didn't mention Heysel, but I can see why.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on October 08, 2014, 09:19:00 AM
Good, solid episode about the BC Point Shaving scheme during the '79-'80 season.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: MFer on December 13, 2014, 02:03:36 PM
The U Part 2 just as good if not better than Part 1.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: hyperchord24 on December 13, 2014, 02:12:25 PM
Absolutely.  Certainly educated me about the program.  That poor equipment manager.  All he wanted to do was be one of the cool kids.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 14, 2014, 12:13:50 AM
Agreed.  I actually preferred Part 1 just because it "built up" the program but Part 2 was equally solid for the first 3/4ths (I didn't care too much for the Shapiro/Shannon/Golden pieces myself).
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Damaramu on December 15, 2014, 01:34:18 AM
The only thing I took issue with on Part 2 was all the Miami players saying they would've smoked OU in 2000. That may be so but we were the only undefeated team that season and we deserve that national title.
I remember Miami fans at the time telling me OU wasn't the true champions and they didn't deserve the title because they didn't play #2. So what? #2 should be the champions?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 15, 2014, 01:35:52 AM
That's just typical what if hypotheticals to drum up arguments... what's your point?  Record Book shows Oklahoma as the National Champs.  All you need.

Also all players who lose a tight game/get passed over say that.  Even fans pull that card.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Damaramu on December 15, 2014, 01:43:29 AM
That's just typical what if hypotheticals to drum up arguments... what's your point?  Record Book shows Oklahoma as the National Champs.  All you need.

Also all players who lose a tight game/get passed over say that.  Even fans pull that card.

I'm just venting my annoyance listening to them.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: KingPK on December 25, 2014, 03:32:28 AM
ESPN2 has an all day marathon going today.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 12, 2015, 10:46:46 PM
Anybody else watch the Buffalo Bills 4 Super Bowls one? It was okay, kind of felt like the Raiders one a little bit in that it didn't really 'cover' ground that was new or really thought provoking.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Bored on December 13, 2015, 12:07:39 PM
Yeah it was disappointing, very much a paint by the numbers recap of those years. Only interesting thing was Bruce Smith insisting the Bills had a better team than any of the teams they lost to in the Super Bowl. Yeah...

The '85 Bears as the next 30 for 30 is a pretty uninspiring choice. Is there really anything we don't know about that team at this point?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: CanadianGuitarist on December 22, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
Anybody else watch the Buffalo Bills 4 Super Bowls one? It was okay, kind of felt like the Raiders one a little bit in that it didn't really 'cover' ground that was new or really thought provoking.

Interesting. Everyone I've talked to about it has told me it was excellent....but everyone I've talked to about it is a Bills fan, so it's nice to have a neutral take.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on December 26, 2015, 05:04:38 AM
Watched The Four Falls of Buffalo on the DVR this morning and I thought it was better than the 30 for 30 episodes that are produced by the league that's being discussed. Usually when you see NFL/NBA/MLB Films Presents, you're in for a lesser episode but this was pretty solid. Not one of the best but solid. My only complaint is it felt really padded out at two hours and would have been much better at 90 minutes.

I think the Bears 30 for 30 could be great if handled well. But again, assuming that this is an NFL Films Production, they're gonna sort of whitewash how depressing a lot of the guys' lives were post-retirement (even though the trailer did allude to Jim McMahon & Fridge's health problems).
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Ed on January 03, 2016, 09:23:04 PM
Will Mongo's rasslin' days be looked at as one of those depressing post-retirement lives?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on January 05, 2016, 06:41:52 AM
Mongo was featured prominently in the trailer but no shoutouts to his rasslin days.

Honestly, Mongo's probably been one of the more successful Bears post-retirement. As much as his WCW run sucked, he got out of it with a lot of $$$ and didn't really get injured. Outside of Hollywood Hogan throwing bleach in his eyes. ;)
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Baby Shoes on November 10, 2016, 08:18:10 AM
Charlie Ebersol made a 30 for 30 on the XFL.  It is premiering at DOC NYC tomorrow and then will air on ESPN in February.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Damaramu on November 10, 2016, 08:20:15 AM
Charlie Ebersol made a 30 for 30 on the XFL.  It is premiering at DOC NYC tomorrow and then will air on ESPN in February.

Did they interview anyone from WWE?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Baby Shoes on November 10, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
No idea.  Just read a little snippet about it being at that film festival tomorrow.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 10, 2016, 09:00:07 AM
The John Daly one was a massive disappointment as I was looking forward to it but it was just a "standard" bio that barely covered his actual golfing and kind of ran through his life. It all felt rushed and I thought it was one of the worse ones thus far.

Phi Slama Jama was great stuff though and definitely worth the watch.

Coming on December 10th is Catholics vs Convicts: The cultural impact of the notorious 1988 Notre Dame–Miami football game which could be good or feel like a rehash of 'The U' stuff.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 25, 2017, 09:10:22 AM
Charlie Ebersol made a 30 for 30 on the XFL.  It is premiering at DOC NYC tomorrow and then will air on ESPN in February.

Jericho's most recent Podcast was an interview with Charlie Ebersol. Great interview and a fun companion piece to what could be a good 30 for 30.

Episode is airing on February 2nd at 9:00/6:00.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: KingPK on February 02, 2017, 01:10:23 PM
This has been solid so far.  I remember that LA debacle in week 2 of the season.  Pretty much finished off the league as far as mass interest went.

I wish I could find someone who looks at me like Dick Ebersol looks at Vince.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 02, 2017, 09:52:38 PM
Yeah, it was pretty solid stuff. It kind of jumped to the end pretty quickly though but I thought it was interesting that Vince referred to himself as an optimist and that he was the one pushing for a 2nd Season, hard.

Kelly Herndon and Corey Ivy were probably the biggest names not to be included/featured in the documentary aside from Maddox, Smart, and Lenon.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Kotzenjunge on February 03, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
I'm a little over a third into this and I want to slap Bob Costas.

EDIT: I think if they held off for another year and Vince kept his face and wrestling stuff off-camera this could have lasted much longer than one season and maybe formed a minor league for the NFL. The problem was that Vince wouldn't leave the NFL alone and let the XFL sit on its own merits, whatever those might've been.

Is it bad that I dug the Wrestling With Wregret video posted just yesterday on the XFL more than the glossy ESPN documentary?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Kotzenjunge on February 03, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
Now that it's over, "jumping to the end" made sense. History isn't about events themselves, it's the leadup and aftermath of those events. Still, the program presented the XFL as a flawed product (gravely so in some ways) but one which wasn't given much of a chance by the media either. I appreciate that Vince wanted to immediately say it was his fault as well.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 03, 2017, 12:35:37 PM
Considering Vince could have bought the UFC at the same time and decided to create a football league instead...yeah.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Kotzenjunge on February 03, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Yeah, but that's hindsight in play. I recall Ultimate Fighting not being legal in some states still in 2000/2001. I may be wrong on this, but why would Vince buy a property he couldn't market everywhere? There's no other explanation for the XFL trying to penetrate non-NFL markets (at that time) with more than half of its teams.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Damaramu on February 03, 2017, 03:17:39 PM
For some reason this isn't available on watchespn. Ugh
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 04, 2017, 01:01:46 AM
Yeah, but that's hindsight in play. I recall Ultimate Fighting not being legal in some states still in 2000/2001.

It wasn't, but it was still legal in a few places. I can't remember how many, maybe not that many. The dominoes fell p. quickly after though.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on May 15, 2018, 03:51:36 AM
Not really a 30 for 30 but this I feel is an extension of the concept

"Richard Deitsch
‏Verified account @richarddeitsch
5h5 hours ago

ESPN Films and Netflix are partnering for a multi-part 10-hour documentary about Michael Jordan. Coming out in 2019. Jordan has signed off on his participation."
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 12, 2018, 12:41:03 AM
The newest 30 for 30 last night covered the Buster Douglas/Mike Tyson fight. Curious to hear the thoughts of 909, AlKeiper, and YPOV(?) on this since they tend to be our Boxing knowledge guys.

As somebody who knows virtually nothing outside of the result/aftermath, I found this pretty interesting and intriguing.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: alkeiper on December 12, 2018, 12:43:06 AM
What's the best way to stream it?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 12, 2018, 01:37:34 AM
What's the best way to stream it?

One option is the ESPN+ app. https://heavy.com/streaming/2018/12/watch-42-to-1-documentary-stream-online/
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: AA484 on December 12, 2018, 02:16:40 AM
NoCalMike used to watch boxing (I think?) but I haven't seen him around lately.  I've been wanting to check that special out for a while now.  I may try and catch it during lunch.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: alkeiper on December 13, 2018, 12:39:13 AM
The newest 30 for 30 last night covered the Buster Douglas/Mike Tyson fight. Curious to hear the thoughts of 909, AlKeiper, and YPOV(?) on this since they tend to be our Boxing knowledge guys.

As somebody who knows virtually nothing outside of the result/aftermath, I found this pretty interesting and intriguing.
I was a little disappointed. I don't think anything in the documentary was substantially inaccurate, but it left a lot out. They only mentioned the Holyfield fight in the epilogue, and they didn't mention that Douglas did not fight for six years after that and his health troubles in the interim. They didn't mention Don King attempting to get the fight overturned because of the perceived long count. I did enjoy it for what it was though, because at its core it really is a fun upset.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 13, 2018, 04:24:28 AM
Having watched all of Tyson's fights, I find it very interesting that people thought he would never lose in the first place. Obviously the Buster Douglas fight was a massive upset and nobody should say otherwise, but he was certainly destined to lose at some point and was not an unbeatable juggernaut. Frank Bruno rocked his world two fights before that, his personal life was a mess, and he'd fired Kevin Rooney sometime before at the behest of Don King.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: alkeiper on December 19, 2018, 07:01:33 AM
If Tyson had beaten Douglas, I wonder which challenger would have done him in. From 1990-93 he could have fought Evander Holyfield (that fight was next), Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, maybe even Michael Moorer. We know Holyfield could beat Tyson. Lewis and Rowe had sizeable reach advantages. Foreman would've been a dangerous opponent, a veteran with huge power who wouldn't be intimidated. And people forget how good Moorer was before the Foreman fight.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 19, 2018, 07:48:26 AM
Bowe, Holyfield, and Lennox would certainly have beaten him. Not sure about Foreman or Moorer. Moorer getting destroyed by David Tua is burned into my brain.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Thrasher on December 24, 2018, 12:16:05 PM
It isn't a 30 for 30 but I'm really liking Basketball: A Love Story. I watched the part about the Lakers/Celtics rivalry. They're covering the Patrick Ewing draft now.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 30, 2019, 06:39:31 AM
The Deion Sanders 30 for 30 is tomorrow night. Very excited for it as a Sanders mark during his NFL Career (I even remember his Baltimore Ravens era run).

Fun Fact: From 1997-1999, he averaged 12.9 yards per punt return (87 punt returns). For comparison: Dante Hall from 2002-2004 averaged 13.5, Devin Hester from 2010-2012 averaged 13.4, and Brian Mitchell from 1994-1996 averaged 12.8.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: alkeiper on January 31, 2019, 12:07:09 AM
Sanders once led the National League in triples and averaged 47 steals per 162 games. It would've been interesting to see what kind of player he could be if he concentrated solely on baseball. Probably makes an All Star team.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Thrasher on January 31, 2019, 10:50:19 AM
It would have been cool if he won a Super Bowl and World Series.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: alkeiper on January 31, 2019, 10:53:42 AM
Greasy Neale won a World Series and coached an NFL championship team. Anyone else accomplish something like that?
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: THE TUGSTER on January 31, 2019, 10:58:46 AM
Bo Jackson made All-Star teams in both sports.

Charlie Ward won a Heisman Trophy, was a starter for an NBA Finals team and was also picked in two MLB drafts.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on January 31, 2019, 08:57:10 PM
Lawrence Taylor won two Super Bowls and also won a Wrestlemania main event.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 31, 2019, 10:32:54 PM
Bronko Nagurski won 3 NFL Championships and the NWA World Title to continue the wrestling tie-in.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: KingPK on February 02, 2019, 01:24:37 PM
I've been getting into the 30 for 30 podcasts lately.  There's some solid stuff there like one about the first UFC event and The Lights of Wrigleyville about the fight to put lights up at Wrigley.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Thrasher on February 02, 2019, 03:40:09 PM
I've been getting into the 30 for 30 podcasts lately.  There's some solid stuff there like one about the first UFC event and The Lights of Wrigleyville about the fight to put lights up at Wrigley.

I listened to Wrigley one. I know the team threatened to move if the lights weren't installed. I wish they would have so it would hurt everyone in Wrigleyville.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Harley Quinn on May 01, 2019, 05:18:22 AM
The latest 30 for 30 on Felipe Lopez was pretty fascinating, roughly a basketball version of the Marcus Dupree story.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on May 01, 2019, 06:15:56 AM
The latest 30 for 30 on Felipe Lopez was pretty fascinating, roughly a basketball version of the Marcus Dupree story.

I can't wait to see this one. My first job was working at a movie theater near St. John's University. He came in one night. He was nothing but a class act. Really like the dude.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: Brodypedia on May 02, 2019, 03:42:37 AM
I watched the Junior Seau episode. I was really down by the end of it. His downfall and ending was bad enough, and seeing his mother bawling, plus hearing his girlfriend describe unknowingly jumping on his dead body really put it over the top.

It came down hard enough on CTE that I was a little surprised ESPN aired it without fearing the NFL's backlash.
Title: Re: 30 for 30
Post by: MFer on May 04, 2019, 02:28:13 AM
I saw the Seau ep not too long ago as well, and it was quite a downer. I had forgotten about his mother breaking down at the press conference which was bad enough, but seeing his kids having to grow up with a severely compromised father was rough.