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Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 05:47:11 AM
From 1997 to around 02/03, Nu-Metal was huge and I loved it. I remember being 14 and debating on a random message board as to who's the better band between Korn and Led Zeppelin. I thought the Korn slap bass style was way better than "When the Levee Breaks". Here's a thread where TRTSM posts the lamest Nu-Metal songs that you know you listened to.

P.S., my 37 year old brother still listens to most of this shit.

Metallica - Invisible Kid | with lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NOMyL-xi4o#)
Once, Hetfield's vocals kick in, I'm pissing my self.

Limp Bizkit Break Stuff uncensored (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_9zpAWFFKQ#ws)

Korn - Y'all want a single [Lyrics] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX1LGUOvGsM#)

papa roach - Gouge Away (Bonus Track) - Lovehatetragedy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ-8PraQFgU#)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 08, 2011, 05:53:29 AM
P.O.D - Youth Of A Nation Lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lI_YSFjhgY#)
Saliva - Your Disease (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7z2lJhaFds#)
Alien ant farm - Smooth Criminal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HhRFi4zuQ#)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on September 08, 2011, 05:54:36 AM
One of the guys in Saliva is a registered sex offender.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 06:02:29 AM
One of the guys in Saliva is a registered sex offender.

Is it this guy?

(http://backtorockville.typepad.com/back_to_rockville/images/2008/03/29/100_6568_3.jpg)

I love reading the ages of the guys in Nu-Metal bands. The guy in that picture is 39, Fred Durst is like 42 and Jonathon Davis turned 40 this year. That still don't stop them unleashing their great lyrics all over America.

Korn (Featuring Skrillex) - Get Up! Lyric Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0Kwutugeg#ws)

Limp Bizkit - Gold Cobra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i_qxQztHRI#ws)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 08, 2011, 06:08:25 AM
The new Limp Bizkit album is so fucking awful. The entire first half are songs where Fred is telling people who thought they couldn't make a come to fuck off. It's really shitty.

I got into Korn when their first album came out in 1994. I still listen to them and I'm still a fan of them. The rest of those bands, I hardly listened to then and don't listen to now.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on September 08, 2011, 06:24:08 AM
I'll always have a soft spot for Korn.  Im not digging the most recent 2 albums, but love the old stuff.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Poptones on September 08, 2011, 06:41:02 AM
One of the guys in Saliva is a registered sex offender.

Only one?
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 07:02:34 AM
Slipknot- Surfacing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXlCFBluTMY#)

Did you know that before faggot Corey Taylor joined the band, Slipknot sounded like this

Mate-Feed-Kill-Repeat [Track-03#] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evUgvczEJMg#)

Fuck Corey Taylor. If they would've kept this guy as vocalist, then Slipknot could've ended up being a death metal version of Mr. Bungle.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on September 08, 2011, 07:02:51 AM
Damn the late 90s was a real shitty time
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on September 08, 2011, 07:20:00 AM
Damn the late 90s was a real shitty time
                                                                                       
the last 5 years of mainstream rap are up there with it.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on September 08, 2011, 07:21:51 AM
Vanilla Ice - The Horny Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBy8q4Jqq8#)

I actually have this CD somewhere in my basement, or maybe under my bed.  I bought it for the LOLz, I promise.  And they were had.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 07:27:32 AM
Vanilla Ice - The Horny Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBy8q4Jqq8#)

I actually have this CD somewhere in my basement, or maybe under my bed.  I bought it for the LOLz, I promise.  And they were had.

I own the second CD for the same reason. He changed his name to V-Ice for it and many Lulz happened.

Vanilla Ice-Exhale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoVGXvHUfPY#)

EXHALE

My avatar also approves of V-Ice

Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell Entrance w/ Charles "MASK" Lewis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdhkIgsK7Dk#)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 08:44:39 AM
Disturbed - Down With The Sickness (Lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0JBlUm2KMY#)

I can't believe one of the most popular nu-metal songs ever has the lead singer getting raped with a dildo by his mom towards the end of the song.

That made me ??? as a kid. I was >:( that they didn't include that part in Rock Band 2.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: The Metal Maniac on September 08, 2011, 09:26:33 AM
I went to Sonisphere this summer, and was flabbergasted at how many people were there to see Slipknot. I did not realize they still had so many fans. Somebody even tried to tell me that Slipknot was not a gimmick, without me even calling them a gimmick. Defensive much?

Also, Disturbed makes me laugh; I used to work with a guy who was big into black/death metal, and someone told him that if he wanted to listen to something *really* heavy, he should listen to Disturbed. He just laughed in the guy's face.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 08, 2011, 10:00:43 AM
Hanson Making Album Of Slipknot Covers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ9ADGSnyfE#ws)
The two most hated genres of the late '90s: teen pop and nu-metal merge as one!
Spoiler: show
It's a joke before anyone calls me out on it!
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on September 08, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
Oh man, I can go on all day at the amount of shitty nu-metal I used to listen to. I can occasionally go back and listen to some of this stuff and still have fun with it but it still stumps me as to why I ever thought this was great stuff musically and lyrically. Here's a taste:

Lifer - Boring (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGN6sj6-3HI#)

Reveille - Inside Out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZuxixqFg8#)

Papa Roach - Snakes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8fZXTRQFE#)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 10:20:36 AM
Damn the late 90s was a real shitty time
                                                                                       
the last 5 years of mainstream rap are up there with it.

I was going to make a thread for posting lame songs from the last 5 years of mainstream rap, but I guess that's what The Rap/Hip-Hop thread is for.

(http://tnaron.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/groundhog-day.jpg)

BING!

Here's the one nu-metal band even I thought was ghey.

Crazy Town~ Lollipop Porn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn3RoIRVLZ8#)

Crazy Town- Darkside (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4vuC82fT60#)

What's weird is that the music is actually way better than most Nu-Metal, they just happen to have one of the worst vocalists ever and some of the lamest lyrics ever.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 08, 2011, 11:10:19 AM
CRAZY TOWN - Hurt You So Bad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LtwDRPkxwI#)
In retrospect, Rivers Cuomo doing this song's guitar solo was probably the moment he jumped the shark.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 11:16:36 AM
Finding a box of old cd's from my childhood and in addition to V-Ice, I also had the first cd of Tommy Lee's nu-metal band.

Methods Of Mayhem (Tommy Lee) - Fight Song (2010) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5YdmmAs_Fo#)
 :D, Tommy Lee was 48 when he released this.

Methods of Mayhem- Who the hell cares (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4x1KmxRkok#)
and 37 when he released this.

Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on September 08, 2011, 11:18:18 AM
Quite an appropriate title for that last Methods of Mayhem song. 

I still maintain that Crazy Town's "Butterfly" is the worst #1 single ever, worse than "Fireflies," worse than Ja Rule.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 11:21:09 AM
Quite an appropriate title for that last Methods of Mayhem song.  

I still maintain that Crazy Town's "Butterfly" is the worst #1 single ever, worse than "Fireflies," worse than Ja Rule.

It is one of those horrific songs that can get a laugh when I randomly sing it in front of my friends.

Here's death metal pioneers turned nu-metal washouts, Morbid Angel

Morbid Angel - Radikult (Illud Divinum Insanus - 2011) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ZVMQayzng#)

One of my favorite metal bands releasing an album worse than V-Ice is shameful.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Ed on September 08, 2011, 01:29:06 PM
Damn the late 90s was a real shitty time
                                                                                       
the last 10 years of mainstream rap are up there with it.


Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 02:20:03 PM
Damn the late 90s was a real shitty time
                                                                                       
the last 10 years of mainstream rap are up there with it.




Well the first half of the decade did feature three Jay-Z classics, The College Dropout, some Outkast classics, DMX had some good shit, and Marshall Mathers LP/Eminem Show. That should save itself from being mentioned in the same breath as 05-11. Terrible shit like Nelly, Ja Rule, Diddy, Chingy, Lil' Jon, and too a much lesser extent 50 Cent  polluted the mainstream. I would still take them over some of the shit that the mainstream's been loving in the past 6 years.

Mainstream rape could get saved cause there ain't no stopping Tyler The Creator and he's gonna get bigger and bigger the next few years. If Death Grips somehow breaks into the quasi-mainstream, I'll go up to a random person on the street and  :-*.

Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on September 08, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
The shyte part about Slipknot is that the first minute or two of every song is surprisingly decent metal, but then...ugh...it just devolves into pop garbage. I used to be big into them when the s/t came out and still even like a few songs (namely "Heretic Anthem" and the album version of "My Plague," as well as "Psychosocial" for how deliciously they rip off "Ride the Lightning"'s main riff), but man...once I got into Slayer and Nile? All I used to do is rag on the people I knew who still listened to them.

Some more garbage.
Mudvayne - Not Falling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhqRMzoyV4g#ws)

(Hed) Planet Earth - Bartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQ8QJkFmGU#)

Now Or Never - Dope (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKwQGl4_xmA#)
(still a guilty pleasure, and the first album is surprisingly decent)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 02:23:01 PM
The shyte part about Slipknot is that the first minute or two of every song is surprisingly decent metal, but then...ugh...it just devolves into pop garbage. I used to be big into them when the s/t came out and still even like a few songs (namely "Heretic Anthem" and the album version of "My Plague," as well as "Psychosocial" for how deliciously they rip off "Ride the Lightning"'s main riff), but man...once I got into Slayer and Nile? All I used to do is rag on the people I knew who still listened to them.


Did you listen to the vid of Slipknot without Corey Taylor? It's very mindblowing. The dead bass player was insane on that song.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on September 08, 2011, 02:25:42 PM
Mainstream rape could get saved

:o
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on September 08, 2011, 02:41:16 PM
Mainstream rap died when Soulja Boy encouraged all these fags to wear skinny jeans and make beats on cell phones. There was some good shit in 05-06. I remember 2007 really as the beginning of this decline.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Ed on September 08, 2011, 02:43:42 PM
Damn the late 90s was a real shitty time
                                                                                       
the last 10 years of mainstream rap are up there with it.




Well the first half of the decade did feature three Jay-Z classics, The College Dropout and Marshall Mathers LP/Eminem Show. That should save itself from being mentioned in the same breath as 05-11.

Ja Rule and Nelly were pretty damn popular in the early 2000s, though.

Everyone has their own theory on when and why mainstream rap died, though. For me, I just remember hating pretty much everything that came out starting in 2002.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 03:02:19 PM
Mainstream rape could get saved

:o

(http://carbolicsmoke.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ned1.jpg)
BING AGAIN!

Anyways

Let's get back to real nu-metal

Limp Bizkit The Fuck Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tW4yXjwSXE#)

Kittie - Brackish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ThppM3IhA#)

Mudvayne - Dig - Official Music Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1I07OKWhjk#ws)
Me and the rest of the 7th graders found this to be the most unintentionally funniest video ever yet still purchased the album.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on September 08, 2011, 03:09:32 PM
(Hed) Planet Earth - Bartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQ8QJkFmGU#)

I loved this song when I was 14. LOVED.

Darwins Waiting Room - Live for the Moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-REtGVrwmYo#)

Adema - Giving In (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOKnYNI3tU#ws)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Ed on September 08, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
I guess I didn't like nu-metal as much as I thought I did. I've only heard of like half of these bands.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 03:24:20 PM
I guess I didn't like nu-metal as much as I thought I did. I've only heard of like half of these bands.

Your missing out. These videos/songs are the funniest thing ever when you relive them through a jaded adult's eyes.

I still have several tapes of nu-metal videos I taped from the MTV hard rock/their vision of metal show. I need to go through them and find some gems.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Ed on September 08, 2011, 03:36:41 PM
I spent my teenage years trying to emulate mainstream rappers. That's probably why I didn't pay attention to a lot of these bands.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 08, 2011, 03:38:54 PM
Breaking Benjamin ~ Polyamorous [Run Like Hell Version] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxSWP5s4McI#ws)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 08, 2011, 03:51:46 PM
I spent my teenage years trying to emulate mainstream rapers. That's probably why I didn't pay attention to a lot of these bands.

Only rappers I listened to in my nu-metal phase were Eminem, Busta Rhymes, and DMX.

More horrible nu-metal

Coal Chamber - Sway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOX7VyhhWOc#)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on September 08, 2011, 10:25:43 PM
(Hed) Planet Earth - Bartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQ8QJkFmGU#)

I loved this song when I was 14. LOVED.

Darwins Waiting Room - Live for the Moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-REtGVrwmYo#)

Adema - Giving In (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOKnYNI3tU#ws)

A good friend used to be in the Navy. Whenever he would come home on leave and we would hang out, Adema's album with "Giving in" and "The Way You Like It" was what he always wanted to listen to. I have to confess to enjoying the song Adema made for Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on September 08, 2011, 10:51:52 PM
The shyte part about Slipknot is that the first minute or two of every song is surprisingly decent metal, but then...ugh...it just devolves into pop garbage. I used to be big into them when the s/t came out and still even like a few songs (namely "Heretic Anthem" and the album version of "My Plague," as well as "Psychosocial" for how deliciously they rip off "Ride the Lightning"'s main riff), but man...once I got into Slayer and Nile? All I used to do is rag on the people I knew who still listened to them.


Did you listen to the vid of Slipknot without Corey Taylor? It's very mindblowing. The dead bass player was insane on that song.
Yeah. I've heard half of MateFeedKillRepeat years ago (since the other half was altered to go on the self-titled). I'm not exactly a fan of Mr. Bungle (just a preference, because it's ridiculous how talented they are), so playing a more grind-influenced Bungle isn't going to endear me.

It's still fucking sad how bad they dumbed themselves down. I could see pulling a Metallica, exchanging the technicality for groove and an excellent riff, but this...ugh...Mick Thompson is an extremely talented guitarist that resorts to riffs Dino Cazares wrote 15 years ago and Joey Jordison is really the only person who's allowed to show any hint of talent. If Slipknot did one positive thing (outside of get an entire generation of angry young boys into heavier shit, thus allowing them to seek out more and more of it and, eventually, find real metal)? It's place a solid emphasis in heavy music on the drumming.
Mainstream rap died when Soulja Boy encouraged all these fags to wear skinny jeans and make beats on cell phones. There was some good shit in 05-06. I remember 2007 really as the beginning of this decline.
Odd how I've been ranting about Soulja Boy since he first broke and now people are starting to realize I was right, eh?

Kittie actually started producing somewhat decent music after their second album. They still can't write a fucking full song to save their lives, but the material from the third album to the one that came out last year is decent. I just wish Fallon Bowman (the darker skinned guitarist in that video, with the bright red hair) didn't freak out and join a cult. She was cute.

MORE GARBAGE!
Flaw - Medicate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFT9NWp9F3c#)

Trapt - Headstrong (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTvu1Yr3Ohk#noexternalembed-ws)
(I'm surprised this didn't get posted earlier, but its only positive is that it was the last nu metal song to really be a big hit)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 09, 2011, 12:24:39 AM
Shattermask - Divine God (Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W54H8Ea0-w8#)

This is a horrible midwestern based band that I saw live at the local shithole five years ago. They were the headliners of a concert featuring a shitty metalcore band a few acquaintances were in.

It was both the best and worst experience ever. First, one of the band members name was Da Boogeyman. This was around the same time the wrestling version of The Boogeyman debuted so I kept trolling him and got an ironic autograph. Second, the music was hilariously bad. Third, the front man had a surprising amount of presence/swag and was hilarious despite being in a terrible band. I remember him breakdancing, pulling out capoeria moves, calling the audience faggots, and saying "MY NIGGAHS" right before a awful breakdown.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: snuffbox on September 09, 2011, 01:32:06 AM
Damn the late 90s was a real shitty time
                                                                                       
the last 5 years of mainstream rap are up there with it.

Yes! We might become friends yet.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: MFer on September 09, 2011, 01:45:24 AM
Man, I got tired of that fucking Headstrong song quick (It was on Legends of Wrestling video game soundtrack too!). Not really a huge rock/metal guy, but there were a few nu-metal bands I listened to. Mainly the well-known ones: Disturbed, Godsmack, System of a Down (not sure if they count) Saliva, etc. Anyways, are there any nu-metal bands considered good even now, or is the genre just one big fail from start to finish?
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on September 09, 2011, 02:22:30 AM
I present for the approval of the board, "Proposition Fuck You" by Tommy Lee's Methods of Mayhem
Methods of Mayhem- Proposition Fuck You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwoAxuZYclo#)
"New Skin" - the album version of this featured Kid Rock "rapping" during the second verse.  Just his usual bullshit about his album going platinum however many times.
Method Of Mayhem - New Skin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W021_YERK4I#)
"Get Naked"
Methods Of Mayhem ft. Fred Durst & Lil Kim - Get Naked.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uWcXnRRARs#)
This is the disc that the MoM album was on:
(http://janesaddiction.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/methods_of_mayhem_japan_disc.jpg)

Actually, I would like to apologize for this post.  :(
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: AntiLeaf33 on September 09, 2011, 03:14:35 AM
I was an angsty little teenager in the 90's, so I still have a soft spot for bands like Korn, Disturbed, Adema, Powerman 5000, Mudvayne, etc. Though looking back on the content of some of the songs, I can see why parents would be worried.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on September 09, 2011, 03:18:19 AM
Throw your hate at me
With all your might
Hit me cuz I'm strange
Hit me
Tell me I'm a pussy
And you're harder than me
What's with you, boy?
Think hard
A tattooed body to
Hide who you are
Scared to be honest
Be yourself
A cowardly man
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on September 09, 2011, 05:54:37 AM
System of a Down (not sure if they count) 
We've actually had this debate quite a few times. I'm iffy on them. At times they're pretty fucking great (especially their slower stuff, oddly enough, because the unique voices of Serj and Daron work rather well with the music), but a lot of their more popular stuff is garbage (I see you, "Violent Pornography") or filled with horrid uber-liberal politics (yeah, "BYOB," you're here).
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Anyways, are there any nu-metal bands considered good even now, or is the genre just one big fail from start to finish?
It's basically died off because there never was a true definition of what "nu-metal" entailed. At first it was just heavier alternative rock, like Helmet, and then it was any band that blended rap with rock, like {insert every rap/rock band}, but then kinda formed into overly melodic grunge-inspired drivel that used the break-beat as a backing structure, like Disturbed. Stuff like thrash, death, black, doom, etc. has lasted because there's pretty clear definitions of what they entail as a whole, despite the bands that push the envelope within those sub-genres, but nu-metal never had that. It was, basically, a catch-all term for any popular heavier-than-NSync music released between 1997 and 2003.

A friend (well, person I converse with frequently via the Internet, who used to write for 411) and I did a co-op article for a site he wrote for that tried to dissect the rise and fall of nu-metal as well as why it was a horrible "genre" that was never going to last beyond a few years. If I can find it I'll edit this and link it, but I think the site it was for is now gone.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 09, 2011, 06:01:23 AM
I never really considered a few of the bands listed as nu-metal. Powerman 5000 was around for a bit before that title was being thrown around. I really like their stuff (their new album is pretty damn good). They started more as a funk-metal outfit, then moved on to a more electronic-metal sound, threw in some punk and then went back to their electronic-metal.

Disturbed, even though they came out during that time, I, personally didn't put in as nu-metal, but I can see how they are labeled that way. It's like in the 1990s how anything that came out that wasn't pop was considered alternative.

I agree with what Corey said about the genre dying out. There are still some bands from that time that are still making music, Korn, Disturbed, PM5K, Limp Bizkit is back, Linkin Park, etc, but the genre itself is no longer a genre.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 09, 2011, 06:08:34 AM
Limp Bizkit is back,

YOU BET THEY ARE

Limp Bizkit - Shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjah56gj-AM#ws)

POP OFF THE ROCK SHIP!!! POP! POP! POP! POP OFF THE ROCK SHIP!!!
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on September 09, 2011, 07:07:52 AM
Sevendust - Waffle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8dT7oC8qA#ws)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 09, 2011, 02:58:50 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like Linkin Park is trying to disassociate itself from the nu-metal tag? I mean their music always sort of the tag but their sensibilities always more along the lines of like My Chemical Romance or some wimpy shit like that. And now they're KOAB's favorite band, for some reason.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 09, 2011, 03:04:25 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like Linkin Park is trying to disassociate itself from the nu-metal tag? I mean their music always sort of the tag but their sensibilities always more along the lines of like My Chemical Romance or some wimpy shit like that. And now they're KOAB's favorite band, for some reason.

they basically stopped being Nu-Metal like five years ago and became emo fags. Let's relive the good years

Linkin Park - One Step Closer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd7E5NBB-3w#)

Linkin Park - Papercut (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Wklh5P00A#)
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on September 09, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
I don't think Linkin Park even know what they're trying to sound like at the moment. I caught one of their newer videos (I assume) and it started off with about 30 seconds of rap, followed by this sloooow emo singing shit for the next 2 minutes or so. Sad part is last year I watched some of their Project Revolution tour on some channel we had a free preview of that shows concerts 24/7. When they played any of what im assuming is their recent material, the band looked dead inside, but when they busted out One Step Closer, Somewhere I Belong, or another old song, they all looked so happy and excited to be on stage. I know they're not everyones cup of tea, and even my musical tastes have moved on, but it was clear even they hate their sound at the moment.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Beer Baron on September 10, 2011, 12:02:40 AM
Godsmack - Voodoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SSUQxGjZZ4#)

Godsmack is still kicking around, somehow.

Evanescence - Bring Me To Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpmSHb-aRB0#)

Shame that Evanescence got so much airplay since Lacuna Coil was a better band than them.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: AntiLeaf33 on September 10, 2011, 12:29:56 AM
Shame that Evanescence got so much airplay since Lacuna Coil was a better band than them.

And a hotter lead singer to boot
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 10, 2011, 02:44:23 AM
I remember I read a review of the second Evanescence album in the newspaper. The guy writing the review said how it was great that they were the first metal band with a female lead singer. I then e-mailed the reviewer and told him that if he was going to write statements like that, then he should actually do his job properly since Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, Otep and other bands were doing it first and better. I never got a reply.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 10, 2011, 03:41:44 AM
Static-X - Push It (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0MfBG5-Uo#noexternalembed)
This is a nu-metal song I can tolerate. It's mostly because of the video.

Here's the real Static X

Static-X - Cannibal [Live] (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSigk0Xtmvk#noexternalembed)

Some kid in high school who was gay and looked like a taller, gay bob_barron randomly shrieked how much he loved Static X to our english teacher which became a running gag for us.
Title: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on September 10, 2011, 11:04:36 AM
I remember I read a review of the second Evanescence album in the newspaper. The guy writing the review said how it was great that they were the first metal band with a female lead singer. I then e-mailed the reviewer and told him that if he was going to write statements like that, then he should actually do his job properly since Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, Otep and other bands were doing it first and better. I never got a reply.
Not to mention Warlock and the Plasmatics back in 1982...
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 03, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
Bumped because I just found out Korn made a Dubstep album. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Path_of_Totality)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 04, 2011, 12:45:25 PM
Bumped because I just found out Korn made a Dubstep album. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Path_of_Totality)

I was able to get my hands on a copy of it. I've been a Korn fan since 1994. I have all their albums and like each one for different reasons. I was going to give this one a shot, but it's really not very good. I never really heard dubstep before, but what the hell is that stuff? Personally, I wouldn't be sad if they decided to hang it up now.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wizard of Maz on December 04, 2011, 05:14:54 PM
Dubstep is Wub Wub Wub Wub man.

Wub Wub Wub.

Now you are Wub Wub Wub Dubstepping.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 05, 2011, 03:52:32 AM
The only Dubstep artist worth a damn is Burial.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on December 09, 2011, 03:13:51 AM
Jonathan Davis: Obama is an Illuminati puppet.  (http://www.avclub.com/articles/korns-jonathan-davis-obama-an-illuminati-puppet,66301/)
(http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1334481/shocked-bird-o.gif)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 09, 2011, 04:12:57 AM
Well, I guess Obama won't be listening to Korn anymore.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 11, 2011, 02:54:55 AM
Damn, I thought all celebrities/recording artists were Obama fans?

I may have mentioned this before, but a couple weeks ago, HDnet was showing a rather unusual Korn concert. There was no crowd, it was the middle or the night, and they were playing in a corn field for a couple hours.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 11, 2011, 05:38:26 AM
They originally aired that last year. It was just an experiment for a live show they've wanted to do for a long time.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on January 23, 2012, 03:03:46 AM
Local rock station hyped a HUGE HUGE HUGE local concert announcement all weekend.  Ended up being Halestorm (This band SUCKS ASS), Staind (thought Aaron Lewis was a country singer now?) and Godsmack (play Awake and get the fuck off the stage!) in April.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on January 23, 2012, 05:41:42 AM
I'm half ashamed to say that "Awake" is a song I can actually listen to, primarily due to the little breakdown after the second chorus (the "TURN YOUR BACK" blah blah blah part).

I gave Kittie a listen recently. The stuff from the last 2-3 years is actually tolerable on the same level as Devildriver's "Clouds Over California" or Lamb of God's "11th Hour": a few decent riffs, maybe a solid chorus, but ultimately lame and contrived.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on January 23, 2012, 05:54:10 AM
I half-enjoy Awake purely for the main riff and opening drums. *DUM DUM DUMDUM...DUM DUM DUMDUMMMMMMMM....YEAH!!!!*
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on January 24, 2012, 03:24:12 PM
Local rock station hyped a HUGE HUGE HUGE local concert announcement all weekend.  Ended up being Halestorm (This band SUCKS ASS), Staind (thought Aaron Lewis was a country singer now?) and Godsmack (play Awake and get the fuck off the stage!) in April.

A couple months ago I saw a billboard that Aaron Lewis was playing at a local casino.  That seemed sad enough, but especially when I had been there one night and the stage used for their advertised acts was just the little lounge stage on the middle of the casino floor.  I had been there one night when Blue Oyster Cult was doing a show, which was really sad seeing them shout about "THIS MAN PLAYED WITH RONNIE JAMES DIO" as a few drunks paid attention while some blue-haired made confused faces.

I kinda was tempted to go see Aaron Lewis and start shouting like Fred Durst during his songs much like his songs on the old Family Values tour CD.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on January 25, 2012, 01:48:32 AM
Local rock station hyped a HUGE HUGE HUGE local concert announcement all weekend.  Ended up being Halestorm (This band SUCKS ASS), Staind (thought Aaron Lewis was a country singer now?) and Godsmack (play Awake and get the fuck off the stage!) in April.

A couple months ago I saw a billboard that Aaron Lewis was playing at a local casino.  That seemed sad enough, but especially when I had been there one night and the stage used for their advertised acts was just the little lounge stage on the middle of the casino floor.  I had been there one night when Blue Oyster Cult was doing a show, which was really sad seeing them shout about "THIS MAN PLAYED WITH RONNIE JAMES DIO" as a few drunks paid attention while some blue-haired made confused faces.

I kinda was tempted to go see Aaron Lewis and start shouting like Fred Durst during his songs much like his songs on the old Family Values tour CD.

THIS IS THA REAL MUTHAFUCKIN' DEAL Y'ALL! 

In all honesty, the song isn't TERRIBLE.  It just didn't need Fred Durst looking bored out of his skull sitting next to Aaron Lewis yelling random bullshit during the interlude.

Staind feat Fred Durst - Outside live at {Family Valious 1999} HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6zdPD81kY0#ws)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on January 25, 2012, 03:10:17 AM
Exactly.  That's what makes it hilarious.  He's singing this sad, personal song and douchey Fred Durst starts yelling PUT YO LIGHTERS IN THE AIR!  I've done that several times to people playing guitars at parties or whatever.  I really regret not seeing Lewis and shouting about Chocolate Starfishes and Mission Impossible II for his entire set.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on April 14, 2012, 04:33:52 AM
Well, my girlfriend and I ended up going to the opening night of the Mass Chaos Tour last night, headlined by Staind and Godsmack.  It was a fun evening.  The opening band was sommething called "Man Made Machine".  Much to my surprise, they were actually decent.  They only did 4 songs, but they were quite enjoyable.  About 15 minutes after they finished, Halestorm played for about 45 minutes.  To be fair, their female singer is a decent guitar player, but it seemed like she was trying way too hard to be like Lita Ford. She did the whole set in high heels which couldn't have been comfortable. 

Staind played for about 75 minutes or so, and I have to be honest, it was actually fantastic.  They had great stage presence and were full of energy.  The first song they played, which was one of the last I expected to hear, was "Raw" from the Dysfunction album.  They played 2 or 3 tracks from their new album which I actually enjoyed.  Aaron Lewis decided to pander to the southern crowd and sing his solo song "Country Boy" in the middle of the set, which gave me plenty of time to go take a piss.  Really though, it was a surprisingly good set, and I would go see Staind again. 

Godsmack went on last, opening with "Whatever".  It took Sully's voice and the rest of the band about 4 tracks to warm up, because they just sleepwalked through "Whatever", "Awake" (which pissed me off because this is what I was there to hear) and "Straight Out of Line".  The fourth song they played was "Speak" and this was when they finally seemed to get the kinks worked out and started sounding better overall.  A fun highlight of the show was Sully and the Drummer doing "Dueling Drums" for about 15 minutes.  They did this by driving another Drum/Bongo kit onto the stage.  They did a neat drumstick juggling thing occasionally which was a fun visual.  Godsmack closed their set with "Cryin' Like a Bitch" and "I Stand Alone".  Godsmack was acceptable overall once they started sounding right, and played for close to an hour and a half.

All in all, it was a fun evening and at a little over 5 hours, was quite a show.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on June 20, 2012, 12:55:25 PM
Well, I downloaded a leak of Linkin Park's new album, "Living Things" (because I refuse to spend money on their shit).  Some thoughts:

Linkin Park meets Dubstep.  This is....interesting.

Mike Shinoda - STOP TRYING TO FUCKING SING ON YOUR ALBUMS! Either rap (which I'll admit, he's not terrible at), or stay in the background and play guitar or piano, you monotone douche!

Why do all of their songs have to sound like they came out of one of the Transformers films now?

I guess I've been spoiled by too many long, epic concept albums from various Power Metal acts, but this thing's MAYBE 30 minutes total.

Again, there's a lot of dubstep here.  When the album is above mediocre, it's not bad and is actually acceptable (not good).  When it's bad (mainly when Mike Shinoda tries to sing), it's BAD.

I give it a 2/5

I don't know what the hell the frontman is doing.  I guess he's dancing or having a seizure, but here is their newest video:

Linkin Park - BURN IT DOWN (Official Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxytyRy-O1k#ws)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on June 20, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
I...don't hate this. I haven't hated Linkin Park since the second album, actually. They're a decent pop act with a few fun tunes.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: MFer on June 20, 2012, 04:40:18 PM
I recognize Burn It Down as the song on Inside the NBA on TNT this year.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: A Happy Medium on June 21, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
I had my moment where I didn't like Linkin Park, but I admit to listening to Hybrid Theory a lot when it first came out.  But yeah, I just enjoy them.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on June 21, 2012, 03:45:43 AM
I...don't hate this. I haven't hated Linkin Park since the second album, actually. They're a decent pop act with a few fun tunes.

I'll admit to enjoying "What I've Done" and "Given Up" from Minutes to Midnight, and the other song they did for the 2nd Transformers film.  All three were fun songs, but I just don't really care much for the rest of their current material.  "Catalyst", "Shadow of the Day" and "The Little Things You Give Away" just bore me. 

"Burn it Down" is quite nice from their new album.  If you want to get a good idea of what they did with the whole dubstep thing, listen to:

"Lies, Green and Misery"
LINKIN PARK - LIES GREED MISERY (Official Lyric Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dq9q6afIP8#ws)

and "Lost in the Echo"
Linkin Park - Lost In The Echo (HQ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05RVo1B7qc#ws)

I had my moment where I didn't like Linkin Park, but I admit to listening to Hybrid Theory a lot when it first came out.  But yeah, I just enjoy them.

I'm not ashamed to admit Hybrid Theory is probably in my top 5 favorite albums of all time.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on June 21, 2012, 03:56:10 AM
The song from the second Transformers is "New Divide." It uses the same riff as Offspring's "Gone Away" when it's not doing the basic LP stuff. The video is pretty cool, too, with its purposeful use of editing to make it seem like it's a glitching video streamed online.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on June 21, 2012, 04:08:28 AM
The song from the second Transformers is "New Divide." It uses the same riff as Offspring's "Gone Away" when it's not doing the basic LP stuff. The video is pretty cool, too, with its purposeful use of editing to make it seem like it's a glitching video streamed online.

New Divide! Couldn't think of the title for the life of me.  Thanks to you, I'll never be able to not hear "Gone Away" when I listen to it ever again!
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Beer Baron on June 21, 2012, 06:35:56 AM
Should we include Volbeat in this thread? I mean they are the current "metal" band of the month so far. God damn radio station plays the consistently.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on June 21, 2012, 10:29:26 AM
Should we include Volbeat in this thread? I mean they are the current "metal" band of the month so far. God damn radio station plays the consistently.

Did they do that shitty "Lets Get Ready to Rumble" song?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Beer Baron on June 21, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
Yep. Sounds fitting for this thread.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on June 21, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
The closest thing to Nu Metal that I like is Deftones, and that barely even counts as Nu Metal anymore. "White Pony" was such a great career move.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Ed on July 06, 2012, 12:30:21 AM
"New Divide" sounds so much like "We Are One" that someone made a mashup of the two:

Linkin Park Vs. 12 Stones: Divide What We've Done As One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGDVMDNr7x4#ws)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on July 15, 2012, 06:04:27 AM
i figured this is better than any other place to post this: Morbid Angel weren't the only respected Death Metal band to go the Nu-Metal route. Back in 2000, we got this from Sadist

Sadist - A Tender Fable (Lego) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwCdLKJLQ1Q#)

Sadist- I want it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYJJu9nEsvU#ws)

Sadist - Small Great Child (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEjN5_hgjQ#)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on August 17, 2012, 06:21:29 AM
Limp Bizkit may be done. (http://www.craveonline.com/music/articles/194231-limp-bizkit-splits-fred-durst-announces-breakup)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on February 13, 2013, 03:10:34 PM
AXS is showing a Papa Roach / Stone Sour show.  Two bands I wouldn't have pictured touring together.  Papa Roach is playing the old RAW theme now.  Never in a million years would I think it could actually sound worse.

"ARE YOU MOTHERFUCKERS READY TO TAKE THIS SHIT TO THE NEXT LEVEL?!?!?!"

*plays "Getting Away With Murder"*
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on August 07, 2013, 06:11:26 AM
http://youtu.be/2OzkuVVBF0U
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: HSJ on August 07, 2013, 06:29:15 AM

"ARE YOU MOTHERFUCKERS READY TO TAKE THIS SHIT TO THE NEXT LEVEL?!?!?!"

*plays "Getting Away With Murder"*

legit lol.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: UterusJuice on August 19, 2013, 06:29:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYjW84zPCm0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYjW84zPCm0)

.............
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on October 24, 2013, 06:15:56 AM
Out of sheer curiosity,  I downloaded Korn's new album. Never Never is far and away the weakest track, but to my amazement,  the rest of the album is actually pretty solid.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on October 24, 2013, 11:11:11 AM
I've listened to it a few times over the last few weeks and I agree. It's a pretty good album. Much harder than they've been in a while. Almost a mix between Follow the Leader and their self titled. It'll be in regular rotation for a while.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 13, 2013, 02:02:09 AM
The "stupid bullshit" thread made me bump this. I think more needs to be said about my teenage nu-metal days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkRWTWBBsAc

Kittie, when you think about it, were unique for their time. Sure there female metal bands before and after, but the fact that when this album came out, they were a couple of teenage Canadians, made them stand out from the pack and that certainly helped them for awhile. 14-year-old me was ALL OVER THIS ALBUM. All over it. Kittie was probably in my top 5 from 2000-2002. I completely forgot them until this past summer when I was packing my old CD's to take to my new apartment and I decided to see if "Spit" was worth taking so I listened to it from start to finish. It's terrible. Awful lyrics with crappy nu-metal riffs. I think I read an interview a few years ago where the lead chick admitted that the album was crappy and her excuse was "lol, we were kids!'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMk-8pmTpgU

Embarrassingly, I didn't know this was a cover until I started college. When I was a young teen all I  cared about was 'OMFG OZZY OSBOURNE???????". "Chamber Music" is a pretty terrible album with maybe three decent tracks. I also had a thing for the female bassist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSajjsER8iQ

Another band I haven't thought of in ages. My friend burned me this album back in high school and I actually dug it back then. The album's highlight was its closing track where they pay tribute to a bunch of hip-hop songs from the 90's.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 14, 2013, 07:21:11 AM
What's funny about bands like Kittie and Coal Chamber is that they were big at the time, but they never became huge. In fact, with a few exceptions, I don't think most of these bands really became huge. Like sure, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and a few others were huge, but a lot of them just felt like they were kinda there or toiled away in some sort of obscurity.

Also, responding to an older post, but

Quote
Anyways, are there any nu-metal bands considered good even now, or is the genre just one big fail from start to finish?
It's basically died off because there never was a true definition of what "nu-metal" entailed. At first it was just heavier alternative rock, like Helmet, and then it was any band that blended rap with rock, like {insert every rap/rock band}, but then kinda formed into overly melodic grunge-inspired drivel that used the break-beat as a backing structure, like Disturbed. Stuff like thrash, death, black, doom, etc. has lasted because there's pretty clear definitions of what they entail as a whole, despite the bands that push the envelope within those sub-genres, but nu-metal never had that. It was, basically, a catch-all term for any popular heavier-than-NSync music released between 1997 and 2003.

A friend (well, person I converse with frequently via the Internet, who used to write for 411) and I did a co-op article for a site he wrote for that tried to dissect the rise and fall of nu-metal as well as why it was a horrible "genre" that was never going to last beyond a few years. If I can find it I'll edit this and link it, but I think the site it was for is now gone.
The other thing that killed it is the same thing that killed hair metal: After a while, there ended up being too many Nu Metal bands. By 2001, you couldn't turn on the radio without hearing it all the time or step into a CD section of a store without seeing at least 5 or 6 Nu Metal bands in the new albums section. It became overkill, and by the time the year was almost over, more and more people were sick of it. 2002 was it's dying breaths, and 2003 was when it ended.

Another factor is the simple fact that most of the people that were listening to it grew up. Something like (hed) PE or Dope (who I think were in some ways worse than Limp Bizkit) might appeal to you when you are 14 or 15, but when your 17-18 years old you realize that it's just the same manufactured rebellion that's been around forever. In December of my senior year of High School, most of the people I knew that previously liked Nu Metal wanted nothing to do with it. Now it's that kind of thing that you look back at and say "Well, I was a teenager"
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 15, 2013, 09:58:35 AM
Dope's popularity, though, fell because of how different the second album was to the first. Here's the two more known tracks off of the first album, Felons and Revolutionaries:
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4JbGQgJb_4)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggHpZE2W-rs)

And here's the lead single off of their second album:
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdisereJaXQ)

Even as a confused and angry 14-year-old whose taste for death metal was on the rise, I still really dug Dope's first album, and still listen to it now and then. I have no problem saying "Debonaire" is a good mainstream rock song, despite it being a mash-up of Marilyn Manson and White Zombie in sound (hell, that applies to the whole band, really, only with generically horrible gangsta lyrics thrown in), and I can still dig on it thanks to the decency of that main riff. "Now or Never," though, was so much poppier than anything found on the first, both in terms of lyrical content and production, not to mention that the singer (Edsel Dope) decided to actually kinda/sorta sing...yeah, it was a big difference, even if listening back they're obviously from the same band.

That switch is also, IMO, what killed Sevendust and Static-X. They went from having some killer riffs and even borderline on legitimate metal at times (particularly Static-X, who were basically White Zombie/Ministry Lite)...but then they went with shyte nu-metal ballad-y songs.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 15, 2013, 10:33:23 AM
In the risk of ridicule, I will admit that the first Sevendust album is one of my guiltiest pleasures. I know it's not very good, but unlike a lot of these bands, it at least tried to sound like an actual metal album (Hell, I'd argue that a lot of it feels more like a Groove Metal album than a Nu Metal one). I remember when there third album came out, and me an a friend were listening to it. He liked it. I just thought "Oh wow, so they wanna be Staind now"

Re: Static X: I think they are terrible, but I agree that they were pretty much Ministry/White Zombie lite (though sorta in their defense, Ministry were pretty awful around that time)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 15, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
I still say Sevendust live is one of the best shows I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 15, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
Sevendust is fucking awesome. 
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 16, 2013, 04:47:15 AM
Let's talk about metal bands or artists that went nu metal in a desperate attempt to gain more fans:

Max Cavalera started off in Sepultura, a very good and reputable tribal/groove/death metal outfit. He quit in the 90's and formed a new band, Soulfly. This is the opening track off their second album released 2000 during the nu metal boom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3LE6_y8J0s

Machine Head probably had one of the best debut albums of any metal band ever with "Burn My Eyes". This was their 1999 effort. The thrash sound and growling was removed in favor or rapping and detuned guitars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJzeJiHHQOY

And yes, I owned both these albums, thank you very much.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on December 16, 2013, 06:44:26 AM
In the risk of ridicule, I will admit that the first Sevendust album is one of my guiltiest pleasures. I know it's not very good, but unlike a lot of these bands, it at least tried to sound like an actual metal album (Hell, I'd argue that a lot of it feels more like a Groove Metal album than a Nu Metal one). I remember when there third album came out, and me an a friend were listening to it. He liked it. I just thought "Oh wow, so they wanna be Staind now"

I think Lajon Witherspoon legit has a great voice, and it's sad that it's wasted on such a meh band. Their first two albums are some of the more tolerable nu-metal records.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 16, 2013, 07:26:17 AM
Re: "The Burning Red" and Soulfly: Machine Head did another Nu Metal album in "Supercharger" After that they kinda came to their senses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQWu8IE-b6A

Soulfly-Well, they've never been good. Sure, "Dark Ages" and "Enslaved" have their moments, but most of it is generic Groove/Post Thrash/Nu Metal. Interestingly enough, Sepultura have also sucked since Max left.

I kind of look at this as an interesting/somewhat unfortunate trend in the 90's in which a lot of bands were trying to get with the times, and ended up embarrassing themselves. Sure, "The Black Album" is a fun an acceptable mainstream metal album for the large part, but it's still an undeniably dumbed down version of what Metallica once was, and "Load", "Reload" and the first disc of "Garage Days Revisited" didn't help (remember Metallica butchering Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds? I hope not.) Another example would be Anthrax. Sure, "Sound of White Noise" is an enjoyable album (probably my third fave album of theirs), but "Stomp 442" is mostly dull, and by "Vol. 8: The Threat is Real" they don't seem to know what kind of band they are anymore (plus, it sees them kinda dipping their toes into Nu-Metal) There was some great stuff in the 90's, but the bad really sticks out.

Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 16, 2013, 07:39:24 AM
Even Slayer is sort of guilty of this. Sure, "Diabolus in Musica" isn't a straight nu-metal record but you can certainly tell they were trying to get fans of that market into their music. Ironically enough, that's a lot of my friends' favorite Slayer album. Go figure.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 16, 2013, 08:24:43 AM
Your friends are dumb. One thing I can say about Slayer's foray into nu-metal (and even their attempts at metalcore on Christ Illusion, bringing shudders to my ears when I first heard it) is that it, at least, still sounds like Slayer. The minor scales, the lyrical content, and even Araya's trademark scream were still present. My first taste of Slayer was "Human Disease," which is one of their absolute worst songs, and I hated them. Now? Favorite band ever, easily, based on the strength of their first five albums (and I'll even say World Painted Blood is a great EP hidden in a mediocre-at-best album).

Re: Machine Head
Always sucked. Even their "we've come to our senses" stuff, like The Blackening, just positively screams "HEY, PLEASE JUST LOVE US," similar to Dez Fafara's departure from Coal Chamber into DevilDriver (only "Clouds Over California" is actually a good metal tune, unlike just about anything Rob Flynn has done after Vio-Lence).

EDIT:
I'm going to combine the better tracks of Slayer's God Hates Us All, Christ Illusion, and World Painted Blood to give us an actually solid album between the two, since they each have 3-4 good songs and a bunch of meh/drivel. Spoiler tagged (and some are spoiler tagged within the spoiler tag) for browser loading, but I'll give the track listing that I'd use:
1. "Flesh Storm" (Christ Illusion)
2. "Disciple" (God Hates Us All)
3. "Unit 731" (World Painted Blood)
4. "Bloodline" (God Hates Us All)
5. "Jihad" (Christ Illusion)
6. "World Painted Blood" (World Painted Blood)
7. "Hate Worldwide" (World Painted Blood)
8. "Payback" (God Hates Us All)
9. "Psycopathy Red" (World Painted Blood)
10. "Final Six" (Christ Illusion SE)
11. "Cult" (Christ Illusion)

Spoiler: show

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DwI-nWq2Cw)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9sXeXVrdNc)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKPLKsiBhw)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHcqPck0eWk)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdDBWei1mMg)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCtlnIek33c)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtAPg91a61s)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjUC_sgyWi0)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzQQ53rQGI)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6jLezmrDac)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J11s-hXrew)


You know, "World Painted Blood" probably has the most "okay, THIS IS SLAYER" riff ever around 2:16 or so.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 16, 2013, 10:06:48 AM
Burning Red was the first thing I ever heard from Machinehead. I kinda liked their nu metal spin on Message in a Bottle.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 16, 2013, 10:30:52 AM
Re: Machine Head: I like "Burn My Eyes", but that's about it. Also, the video for "From This Day" just reminds me of how bad fashion choices were then. Man, the late 90's sucked in a lot of ways.

Re: Slayer: I'd argue "Diabolus in Musica" is their second worst album (their worst is that album of really bad punk covers), but it's still bad. It's kinda weird to listen to also. Like the idea of Slayer adopting grooves and sounds more akin to Korn and the like is awful, but it almost warrants at least one listen just for the sheer "why would you do that?" factor.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 20, 2013, 11:10:18 AM
Anyone remember Lostprophets?  Their frontman, Ian Watkins, was sentenced to 29 years in prison, plus an additional 6, for molesting two BABIES.  The babies were apparently given to him by the mothers, who were also sentenced to 14 and 17 years each.  What the fucking fuck?!

http://loudwire.com/lostprophets-ian-watkins-35-years-prison-child-sex-crimes/ (http://loudwire.com/lostprophets-ian-watkins-35-years-prison-child-sex-crimes/)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 20, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
He won't last the whole time. Either someone is going to shank him, or he's going to off himself, and that would be a good thing.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 21, 2013, 08:31:53 AM
(http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Ian-Watkins-Mega-LOLz-Tattoo-604x401.jpg)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 22, 2013, 03:28:39 AM
I'm not done yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI-fWgyMXYA

Ill Nino's first album literally dropped the week after I started high school. They must have been a thing in the "underground" scene because I could have sworn I heard their name before their first major release. Thinking I could capitalize on the hottest new band, I immediately took a liking to this song. The album has maybe 2 decent tracks (this not being one of them) but the majority of it is really bad Sepultura/Soulfly knockoff garbage. I guess the CONCEPT of the band isn't the worst but the majority of their music in cringe worthy and was still trying to cash on the already dying nu-metal trend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjvesZw-XtQ

Remember this band? No? Well, I can't blame you. The only reason why me and a lot of people know Pressure 4-5 is because this song was on the soundtrack to the first season of WWE's Tough Enough. I actually burned this album way back and liked it, still sort of do but I found out years later that the album was actually redone for its major release and sounds more "polished" (aka produced). Seriously, listening to the demo version and listening to this, is like two different bands. I don't know. The band fell off the face of this earth right after this came out and no one's heard from them since. For the better?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYIuWWHoSYQ

Another band trying desperately to cash in on the dying breaths of nu metal. This album dropped in the summer of '01 and was pretty much what nu metal always was. This band started off with two rappers who had little success then added a live band to their sound and found a tiny bit of success but mostly in their home country of Canada. After nu metal died, the band was fired and the two guys went on to form a rap group called "Dead Celebrity Status". I have the only copy of Project Wyze's first album and thought the video above was one of the coolest things I ever saw at the time. Was I mentally challenged?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on December 22, 2013, 03:34:50 AM
A friend invited me to an Ill Nino concert.  I'm pretty sure I went because I went to a bunch of concerts with him at the time with bands I completely don't remember.  The only Ill Nino song I really remember is the one from Freddy vs Jason that they also had a Spanish version of on their album shortly after

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNH4IdCJZf8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cU418F-35o
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 22, 2013, 03:39:22 AM
Yeah, Ill Nino's sound was dumbed down a lot on their second album (not like it was complex in the first place). I dated a girl in my senior year of high school who loved "How Can I Live". It was like her favorite song and it drove me bananas.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Beer Baron on December 22, 2013, 04:59:57 AM
Oh man, Project Wyze. You want to talk about awful. I saw these guys open up for Ozzy in 2001 and the only time the crowd cheered for them is when they left the stage. Horrible sound, the tin sounding drums caused your ears to bleed and the guitarists were sloppy and screwing up their riffs, but it was so distorted that there was too much feedback going through the speakers. Just awful.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 22, 2013, 05:26:51 AM
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyoV6mk74_o)

These guys were a pretty big local hit in MA thanks to getting a lot of pimping from WAAF's afternoon DJ Mistress Carrie, and after re-listening I'm surprised by how well they mixed salsa into it.

And then there's Reveille.
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cuhxnJ_Trs)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bubstkSsAk)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on December 22, 2013, 07:20:48 AM
I went to see Andrew W.K. open for Ill Nino in November of '03, but I didn't stick around for Ill Nino's set.  We did, however, see them in a Chinese restaurant before the show.  Allegedly my friend went up to them and told them that they sucked, but I was in the bathroom at the time and cannot confirm that.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 22, 2013, 11:52:16 AM
Andrew WK is still the most hilariously energetic person I've ever seen do anything. 
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 22, 2013, 03:40:21 PM
This thread makes me wonder: outside of bands likes Korn, Linkin Park and a few others, what was the last hit Nu Metal album? The only one that enters my mind is that WWE album "Forceable Entry", and even that felt like it was eight months too late.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on December 22, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
This thread makes me wonder: outside of bands likes Korn, Linkin Park and a few others, what was the last hit Nu Metal album? The only one that enters my mind is that WWE album "Forceable Entry", and even that felt like it was eight months too late.

Is that Evanescence album with "Bring Me To Life" considered Nu-Metal? That might be the last hit but it was still 2003.

Five Finger Death Punch feel the closest to a modern nu-metal band and they probably peaked three years ago.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 22, 2013, 06:29:33 PM
What about Disturbed? They seemed to be doing well and hadn't changed from numetal all that much. David Draiman's new band Device released a halfway decent album this year too.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 22, 2013, 10:36:59 PM
Disturbed almost rose above the nu metal label into a decent hard rock act. I dislike the overwhelming majority of their stuff, but can really dig on other songs ("Voices," "Prayer," and "Liberate" are all pretty damn solid). Excellent live show, too.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 23, 2013, 01:50:09 AM
This thread makes me wonder: outside of bands likes Korn, Linkin Park and a few others, what was the last hit Nu Metal album? The only one that enters my mind is that WWE album "Forceable Entry", and even that felt like it was eight months too late.

Is that Evanescence album with "Bring Me To Life" considered Nu-Metal? That might be the last hit but it was still 2003.
There's elements of Nu Metal in Evanescence, but I always looked at it as watered down Gothic Metal like Lacuna Coil (I don't care what anyone else here says: Lacuna Coil sucks and are no better than Evanescence. Same with Within Temptation.)

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Five Finger Death Punch feel the closest to a modern nu-metal band and they probably peaked three years ago.
Last I checked, they are still a big band. Them and Avenge Sevenfold are among the most popular metal bands in the mainstream right now.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 23, 2013, 01:57:44 AM
Lacuna Coil is definitely better than Evanescence but I never thought that were that much better.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 23, 2013, 01:58:25 AM
Can we count Hollywood Undead as nu metal? Awful, awful band.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 23, 2013, 02:45:05 AM
Lacuna Coil were pretty damn good until Evanescence broke and they dumbed their style down to fit the trend. I'm also in the minority that really likes the male singer's voice.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on December 23, 2013, 12:50:33 PM
I remember when Evanescences debut album came out the local NY paper, Daily News, wrote an article talking about how ahead of their time they are, and how there are no other female fronted metal bands there are. I wrote them a letter telling them to do some research and how there are many female fronted metal bands, naming Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, Otep, and others. Suffice to say, I never got a response.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 24, 2013, 02:02:15 AM
Oh man, I can go on all day at the amount of shitty nu-metal I used to listen to. I can occasionally go back and listen to some of this stuff and still have fun with it but it still stumps me as to why I ever thought this was great stuff musically and lyrically. Here's a taste:

Lifer - Boring (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGN6sj6-3HI#)

Reveille - Inside Out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZuxixqFg8#)

Papa Roach - Snakes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8fZXTRQFE#)

I posted this on the first page over two years ago. Here's a commentary:

1.) Lifer - One of the worst bands anyone could listen to. Pretty much was the blueprint to a typical nu metal band: bland, downtuned riffs, DJ scratches, rapping vocals, and awful fashion sense. Thank God the band fell off the face of the planet after this track. It's worth noting that two members of Lifer went on to join Breaking Benjamin. Which band is worse?

2.) Reveille - Laz brought them up a few posts back. These guys released an album in the late 90's but it wasn't until their second album came out in 2001 that got them really noticed. Typical rap/metal garbage in the worst ways possible. It really sounds like the singer wanted to be the next Eminem but couldn't get noticed and formed a rock band to cash in on the trend. You can also hear the obvious New England influence in their sound. The video Laz posted just about says it but the song I put up here is probably the only track anyone really remembers from them.

3.) Papa Roach - UGH. Ok, these guys were obviously trying to do a poor man's Faith No More but did it more in the style of Korn and less like early Incubus or Deftones. I listened to "Infest" quite a bit in 8th grade and decided that the song above was the best track. They attempted to jump on the numerous music trends of the 00's to horrendously LOL results. It's really amazing to me to see that Papa Roach is still a predominant figure in mainstream rock considering their one note style hasn't changed much from when they were big while their other contemporaries have faded away.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 25, 2013, 11:43:46 AM
One thing I liked then but don't anymore is how many of these bands were clearly inspired by the likes of Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Ministry, KMFDM etc. to try and mix Nu Metal with Industrial Techno. Even Fear Factory fell into the trap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuDxo-fbW9c

Other examples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F9y-J5H7wA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TO-L1Escc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO58yKAm5zQ


"Hey, let's take what White Zombie and Prong did and ruin it"
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 25, 2013, 12:30:12 PM
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvQMPagkFPA)

I remember one friend of mine sophomore year was really in love with this band. She was also a juggalette and looks to be a 49-year-old trailer park "cougar" stuck in a 28-year-old'd body
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 26, 2013, 04:11:39 AM
Great Cesaro's ghost! How could I forget about these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-WehSAYGxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Yw5ctqjAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5cYjpmRS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYEy-DC3fWs

All these bands came and went faster than a heartbeat. The Union Underground only stuck around because they played the theme to Raw for a few years. Earshot has the distinction of being the very first band I ever saw live as they were the first band to take the stage at the first concert I attended. I recall absolutely nothing from their set other than the crowd being bored to death. That Stereomud song actually got a bit of airplay in 2001 then they quickly disappeared shortly thereafter. I don't know ANYBODY that heard of Neurotica or bought that one terrible album they put on. Hell, the only reason I know who they are is because they contributed that song to WWE Forceable Entry album (which probably deserves an entry here in itself).
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 26, 2013, 04:18:33 AM
One thing I liked then but don't anymore is how many of these bands were clearly inspired by the likes of Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Ministry, KMFDM etc. to try and mix Nu Metal with Industrial Techno. Even Fear Factory fell into the trap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuDxo-fbW9c

Other examples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F9y-J5H7wA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TO-L1Escc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO58yKAm5zQ


"Hey, let's take what White Zombie and Prong did and ruin it"

I think we can add one more to that list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjgS4O1Aes

I saw these guys open for Korn in 2002. Bore me to tears and I was a Korn fan back then!
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on December 26, 2013, 04:32:09 AM
Although, this is basically a Korn song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-oHTbGU4I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-oHTbGU4I)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOaqcfTZgno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOaqcfTZgno)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 26, 2013, 06:40:16 AM
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WWE Forceable Entry album (which probably deserves an entry here in itself).

Does it ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyFXfVPSc8Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJWxHB6OveI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pr82D-MpHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyyDWFCimpk

I mentioned this already, but it kinda surprises me that this was a hit. Granted, 2002 was the last year that Nu Metal was particularly popular, but even by then the compilation felt like it was 2-3 years too late.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 26, 2013, 07:01:53 AM
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All these bands came and went faster than a heartbeat.

2000-2002 is really when the "came and went" phase in Nu Metal started. More and more bands started popping up, and the obvious became more clear: 1.) They all had the same shitty frontman that rapped/watered down guitar riffs/post-grunge worship/bad electro-industrial trappings, and 2.) They'd release one or two albums, then disappear from the face of the Earth.

This reminds me another one of the (many) reasons this genre mostly dropped from the face of the Earth: Outside of say, Deftones or System of a Down, none of these bands were really capable (or really showed any interest) of evolving. Laz mentioned one of the reasons why genres like Death Metal and Black Metal are still around is because they have an identifiable sound, but I think it goes further than that. Those genres had bands like Death, Atheist, Emperor and Arcturus experimenting with said sound and pushing the boundaries of their genres. Nu Metal was incapable of that because very few of the bands had the musical talent or insight to try something new in the genre, and it resulted in hundreds of bands that all sounded the same. By 2003, everyone hated it and kids went on to like shit such as Evanescence, Breaking Benjamin and commercialized Emo.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 26, 2013, 07:19:33 AM
Most of those bands were still a big deal in 2002. Sure, no one cared about Kid Rock or Limp Bizkit anymore but bands like Drowning Pool, Saliva, and Boy Hits Car broke out just 6 months before. Disturbed, Our Lady Peace, and Sevendust have always been popular, Rob Zombie had just come out with his second solo album, and Edge's theme was pretty popular back then. It wasn't until later in 2002 that the genre started going down in flames.

Supposedly, a lot of cuts were left off the record for one reason or another. I know my copy didn't have Kane's theme ("Slow Chemical" by Finger Eleven" - had to download it separately). Papa Roach, Nickelback, Slipknot, and Godsmack supposedly records tracks that were shelved and never heard.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 26, 2013, 07:29:20 AM
I always associated it all going down in flames around late 2001, but as I said earlier, that's probably because most of the people I knew that previously liked it wanted little to do with it anymore.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 26, 2013, 07:39:11 AM
See, I actually listened to more nu metal in 01-02 than ever before. It wasn't until mid-'03 that I started listening to more "respectable" artists.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 26, 2013, 11:41:36 AM
I picked up that one Mushroomhead album that had a cover of Seal's "Crazy", and enjoyed it for what it was. 

"Ty Jonathan Down" was a decent enough song around 1999 since I was a pretty big Jon Davis fan at the time.  I couldn't tell you any other Videodrone songs though. 

I liked Earshot's second album where they stopped trying slo hard to sound like Tool.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on December 26, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
Supposedly, a lot of cuts were left off the record for one reason or another. I know my copy didn't have Kane's theme ("Slow Chemical" by Finger Eleven" - had to download it separately). Papa Roach, Nickelback, Slipknot, and Godsmack supposedly records tracks that were shelved and never heard.

For some reason, the Kane song was exclusive to the Canadian release.  I don't remember all the details other than being amused it was used for the Tom Jane Punisher soundtrack in 2004 (much like the Dudley Powerman 5000 theme being in the Freddy vs Jason soundtrack)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: MFer on December 26, 2013, 12:12:39 PM
I swore I heard back then that Slow Chemical was supposed to be a Best Buy exclusive track, but maybe not. Also, a couple of those Forceable Entry songs were used for PPVs. Of course, there were many other nu-metal songs used for PPVs during that time period.


"2TM" WWF Backlash 2002 Highlights [HD]
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHbU0QYPcQU)


King of the Ring 2002 Highlights
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1L95jI4QMM)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on December 26, 2013, 12:16:56 PM
That was probably it. Best Buy exclusive for US but because different distributor in Canada, it wasn't exclusive there.  Much like how certain store exclusive PPV DVDs around the time in the US were more available in Canada.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 26, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruHfeq87qo

Years from now, people are going to have to explain to their kids how something like this could have happened.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on December 26, 2013, 12:41:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruHfeq87qo

Years from now, people are going to have to explain to their kids how something like this could have happened.

That song was on the WCW Mayhem album.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on December 26, 2013, 12:43:40 PM
That Backlash video was awesome.  Nice random RKO from Hogan!  I can't bring myself to hate Creed though, and I always liked Young Grow Old.

What was that Mudvayne sounding song from the King of the Ring video?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: MFer on December 26, 2013, 01:43:17 PM
That was Ride of Your Life by Stereomud Neurotica (sorry, all these fucking names blend in together).
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on December 26, 2013, 02:32:01 PM
I have a query in with a friend of mine to find a copy or link to an article we collaborated on forever ago about why nu metal died a quick death. Basically, it boils down to two key points:

1. It was never a "true" genre, but rather a catch-all term for any "heavy" band around a certain timeframe.
2. What Gary said about none of its acts wanting to further their sound or evolve.

Hell, I think the only bands that could rightfully be called "nu metal" that even attempted to evolve their styles are Korn and Slipknot. Everybody else either kept plugging away at what they were doing or toned it down to grasp at the fleeting mainstream success similar bands were enjoying.

I don't think Mushroomhead really belongs here. They've been around since the early 90's and are still around, and actually experiment with their music a decent bit. I'm not too big a fan of them, but there's certainly some songs I really enjoy, and their live show is damn good.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Beer Baron on December 27, 2013, 12:09:55 AM
Scraping the bottom of the barrel here with Skindred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQhuxPsSjE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQhuxPsSjE)

My god they were awful.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 27, 2013, 12:35:04 AM
That was Ride of Your Life by Stereomud.

That was actually the Neurotica song I was talking about. Stereomud was on the album though, they did Raven's theme.

Yeah, I was thinking of putting Mushroomhead on here but that opens up another topic of discussion of bands that were marketed as nu metal to try to get more fans even though they were above it. I'm personally not really a fan of Mushroomhead but they pre-dated a lot of this garbage. It's funny because when they started getting more recognition in the early 2000's, they were labeled as Slipknot knock-offs when they were around and wore costumes onstage long before they were.

Skindred I think was the very last attempt anybody made to try to recreate another nu metal boom and it thankfully didn't work.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on December 27, 2013, 02:12:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruHfeq87qo

Years from now, people are going to have to explain to their kids how something like this could have happened.

That song was on the WCW Mayhem album.
I will say that this video is good for a laugh, as it has 1.) Really unfortunate hair styles 2.) White people appropriating Hip-Hop in the worst way imaginable, and 3.) Incredibly goofy "Nu Metal movements" from the band.


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2. What Gary said about none of its acts wanting to further their sound or evolve.

Well, as I said, one of the reasons they didn't want to evolve or further their sounds is because they were incapable of doing so due to a lack of musical talent. Genres like Thrash and Death Metal usually require that you not only know how to play your instruments, but you know how to do riffs and solos that aren't rudimentary at best. Most Nu Metal bands couldn't do that, so they ended up going from popular to forgotten in the span of a few years. The differences between the bands posted here and something like these bands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YicGpZlINw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0mq1_OAekA

Couldn't be more obvious. As far as the mainstream goes, they may be considered "cult favorites", but their reputation and influence will live on for years to come. You can't say that for something like Full Devil Jacket.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 27, 2013, 02:26:25 AM
The WCW Mayhem album could be entered here as well. More nu metal garbage than Forceable Entry and the former pre-dated it by over a year. You had ICP, kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Primer 55, Risk-era Megadeth, and nu metal era Slayer.

It at least it had "Rap is Crap" on it.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on December 27, 2013, 03:01:36 AM
Me and my brother used to love that mellow remix of "Faith" featuring Everlast on WCW Mayhem: The Album. Twelve year olds are goddamn idiots.

IIRC, WCW Mayhem: The Album also had a sweet Ruff Ryders song. And that irritatingly catchy attempt to make the Nitro Girls the next Spice Girls at least two (probably three years) too late, "Bailando". And "What Up Mach?"

Wikipedia tells me they had Cypress Hill on there and they actually somehow got Metallica to contribute a live version of "Seek and Destroy". So the album was bad not Forceable Entry level horrible though.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on December 27, 2013, 03:12:01 AM
That version of "Seek & Destroy" became Sting's theme in the dying months of WCW.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on February 08, 2014, 05:01:52 AM
Remember that clip of Billy Ray Cyrus & Fred Durst's duet on Arsenio from a few months back. I just found out there's more.

http://youtu.be/d8L7hFI8BpI
Twelve year old me would be confused as fuck right now. Now me is confused as fuck right now.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on February 08, 2014, 06:49:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PL74ARXreg

Can't believe I have neglected so long to mention the time Meat Loaf jumped on the nu-metal bandwagon (after most everyone else had jumped off) with this Evanescence-esque track, written by the power trio of Desmond Child, Nikki Sixx, and John 5 (of Marilyn Manson).  To hear Meat sing this was  ::), but to see it as the opening song (and sub-title track) of 2006's Bat Out of Hell III was  >:(
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on February 11, 2014, 09:01:26 AM
Up until now, I thought Methods of Mayhem was the only contribution anyone from Motley Crue had to Nu Metal.

Anyways, here's some more bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLUCaqaEkJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDf1_lbMmxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFvCx6w_ptE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbMx2xgm_mo

The first two-even as a dumb teenager, I thought these were fucking awful. The third one I actually liked back in the day, and the fourth so unapologetically steals a riff from "Freak in a Leash" it's amusing.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on February 11, 2014, 11:28:42 AM
I still fucking love that Guano Apes song.

Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on February 11, 2014, 12:51:07 PM
I actually don't mind Guano Apes but yeah, they (like everyone else) went through an awful nu-metal phase in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on February 25, 2014, 02:49:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5kQv63Xp-k

Who exactly was this trying to appeal to? Long forgotten fans of Body Count?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on March 15, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw_6eUgpo30

I can't believe I neglected to post about this earlier. Anyone remember the one album where LYNYRD SKYNYRD tried to sound more modern? It was as awful as you can expect.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on March 15, 2014, 09:42:26 AM
I don't see how that song sounds much different than what you'd think '00 Lynyrd Skynyrd would sound like and it doesn't sound nu-metal at all.

I hate how Skynyrd has become the Official Band of the Tea Party (at least, #2 behind Nugent) in the past ten years. Especially since they were actually a fairly (albeit subtly) liberal band in their band.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Ed on March 15, 2014, 10:30:35 AM
That was the theme song for WWE Breaking Point!
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on March 15, 2014, 12:29:16 PM
I remember hearing this!  My first thought was, did some other band start using the Lynyrd Skynyrd name?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on April 07, 2014, 03:27:39 PM
http://youtu.be/dAU9YqBYrz4
I completely forgot about the hip hop remix of "Rollin" until someone brought it up at the WrestleMania Party I was at.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on August 15, 2014, 09:09:27 AM
Were you looking forward to a Nu Metal tribute album? Then here you go (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/coal-chamber-to-enter-studio-in-october/).

Also, Coal Chamber are back together. (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/coal-chamber-to-enter-studio-in-october/)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on August 15, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Coal Chamber? My inner 17 year old just busted a nut.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: MFer on August 15, 2014, 09:58:17 AM
Coal Chamber? My inner 17 year old just busted a nut.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/decepticoncommander/Vince.jpg)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on August 15, 2014, 12:20:59 PM
Hah. This club I do monthly shows at has us plug other events coming there sometimes between comics and last week, I plugged a Powerman 5000/Hed PE show happening this weekend. I was like "Who the eff is seeing these bands in 2014!?"
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 15, 2014, 12:29:48 PM
Both have new albums out this year. I don't listen to Hed, but I still really like PM5K. I love their new album.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on August 15, 2014, 12:32:16 PM
Both have new albums out this year. I don't listen to Hed, but I still really like PM5K. I love their new album.

I was just about to post that I wouldn't mind seeing Powerman.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: FroGG_NeaLL on August 16, 2014, 08:50:15 AM
They had an awesome song on Tony Hawk Pro-skater 2.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Captain of Outer Space on August 16, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
I hate how Skynyrd has become the Official Band of the Tea Party (at least, #2 behind Nugent) in the past ten years. Especially since they were actually a fairly (albeit subtly) liberal band in their band.

Did someone say "Tea Party?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSQ3U7UAsW0

Yes, a band older than QOTSA trying to rip off QOTSA.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Beer Baron on August 16, 2014, 03:39:40 PM
Really?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on August 17, 2014, 02:35:08 AM

Both have new albums out this year. I don't listen to Hed, but I still really like PM5K. I love their new album.
Aye. I've been able to find something worthwhile in each of their releases, even the really early rap/rock stuff from before that style was popular. "Free" is a pretty damn underrated song, and Spider is a really good frontman (better than his brother at this point, anyway).
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on August 17, 2014, 09:48:16 AM
I one of the few (only?) people who likes Destroy What You Enjoy. It's more of a punk influenced album, and I really, really like it.

I remember blind buying their first album when it first came out because I had heard that Rob Zombie's brother had a band, and I really liked Zombie (and still do), and I enjoyed the album. I agree that right now Spider is putting out better stuff than Rob.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on August 17, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
In early Summer of 1999 when I was fresh out of high school, I remember my local comic book store giving away free PM5K promo cassettes with "When Worlds Collide" on side A and a demo version of "Son of X-51" on side B.  I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on October 26, 2014, 05:20:34 AM
Hearing Corey Taylor on Talk is Jericho made me relive some Slipknot. This is probably their best song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUZwriSX4M

And I did listen to their new album. It's pretty bad but I don't know what else I would have expected from them at this point.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on October 26, 2014, 05:48:32 AM
There's something about Corey Taylor that rubs me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it. Slipknot is decent enough and the first Stone Sour album was enjoyable but he bugs me for some reason.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on October 26, 2014, 12:21:36 PM
Hearing Corey Taylor on Talk is Jericho made me relive some Slipknot. This is probably their best song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUZwriSX4M

And I did listen to their new album. It's pretty bad but I don't know what else I would have expected from them at this point.

Nah, Surfacing is the best.

FUCK IT ALL, FUCK THIS WORLD, FUCK EVERYTHING THAT YOU STAND FOR
DON'T BELONG, DON'T EXIST, DON'T GIVE A SHIT
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 27, 2014, 02:00:41 AM
The only Slipknot songs I can listen to now that I'm not 13 and actually listen to real metal are "(sic)," "Spit It Out," "My Plague" (but only the album version, not the poppier single), and "Psychosocial" (which ripped off a great Metallica riff and made it work just fine).


There's something about Corey Taylor that rubs me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it. Slipknot is decent enough and the first Stone Sour album was enjoyable but he bugs me for some reason.
Because he's a pompous dickhead that had his ass verbally eviscerated by Dave Brockie and then decided to suck up to him posthumously is why I can't stand him. Shitty part is I like his voice quite a bit.

There's rumors that Acid Bath may do a few reunion shows and Corey Taylor may be fronting them because he's such a big fan and Dax Riggs was an inspiration. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck that noise.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on October 27, 2014, 02:47:12 AM
Remember that really dumb feud between Slipknot and Limp Bizkit? That was actually the first time I ever heard about Slipknot. Corey Taylor (in costume) was being interviewed on MTV and pretty much said "fuck Fred Durst, if I ever see you, I'll punch you out!".

Fourteen year old me couldn't believe someone in the metal world hated my beloved Fred! I thought to myself "sick costume, bro. i need to check these guys out.".
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 27, 2014, 04:50:57 AM
I remember thinking "these guys are all fags" and listening to Nile instead soon after.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on October 27, 2014, 10:21:32 AM
Slipknot songs I can still tolerate: 

(sic)
Wait and Bleed - first song of their's that I ever heard, so nostalgia I suppose
Spit it Out
Left Behind
Vermillion
My Plague
Before I Forget
Psychosocial

I enjoyed the hell out of "Bother" when Stone Sour became a thing in 2002. 
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on November 01, 2014, 03:01:06 PM
http://loudwire.com/wayne-static-dead/
Wayne Static is dead at 48.

Wayne Static was in his early to mid thirties when Static X was in their primes!? :(
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Beer Baron on November 01, 2014, 05:33:12 PM
That sucks. I remember listening to Wisconsin Death Trip a lot in 03. I should listen to it again.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on November 01, 2014, 06:43:14 PM
Yeah, that sucks. I was never a huge Static-X fan but they wrote some decent tunes that I still listen to today.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on August 14, 2015, 07:41:28 AM
Decibel wrote an article about the rise and fall of Nu Metal (http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/13/they-did-it-all-for-the-nookie-decibel-explores-the-rise-and-fall-of-nu-metal)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on August 14, 2015, 07:55:08 AM
Decibel wrote an article about the rise and fall of Nu Metal (http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/13/they-did-it-all-for-the-nookie-decibel-explores-the-rise-and-fall-of-nu-metal)

Very cool read
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on August 15, 2015, 05:50:07 AM
It didn't really hit me until reading this that a post Napster internet did play a part in Nu Metal's death. Sure, it mentions file sharing and the New Wave of American Heavy Metal, but there is also the fact that the internet means wider access and the ability to find out about bands from the past decades, more recent bands like Mastodon and Gojira, and more obscure bands. Plus, unlike the 90's it's now cool to listen to bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden again, and (to the chagrin of some metal purists) some websites and magazines that aren't metal exclusive now pay attention to metal bands and praise them. This kind of thing was a rarity in the 90's (and before that), where critics like Robert Cristgau were openly hostile to metal and it was something of a punchline.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on August 26, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
I touched on this a bit earlier but I think it needs repeating. What bands were marketed as nu metal despite not having anything in common with the genre at all?

I was just talking to a friend who mentioned that he went to go to see an Incubus/Deftones arena concert with his girlfriend recently. I asked him if he felt like a kid again and he said he couldn't believe nu metal was still this popular. I didn't really want to get into it with him but I never really thought those two groups were nu metal.

Deftones were definitely marketed as such when White Pony was released but that album was so far beyond anything the genre had to offer. I actually sort of feel bad for them in hindsight being lumped together with the rest of these bozos. But hey, I'm sure they made buckets of cash during this time! I never saw Incubus as nu metal either. They started out as a poor man's Faith No More (which sadly, is what Korn tried to be when they first started out) then became a poor man's Soundgarden.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on August 26, 2015, 03:21:07 AM
System of a Down tend to get lumped as Nu Metal, but I've long thought they had more going for them musically and lyrically. That and they actually weren't afraid to experiment with their sound.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on September 02, 2015, 07:19:18 AM
Also, on that note, was the mid 2000s metalcore surge as prominent as nu metal was? I'm not sure if this warrants its own thread but tons of bands came through the woodwork in that time frame and 80% of them dropped off the face of the earth. A lot of better, established bands also got lumped with them.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on September 02, 2015, 07:36:17 AM
Hell no. You couldn't turn on a rock radio station between 1997 and 2002 without hearing Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Staind, etc. You could listen to most rock stations all day without ever hearing Unearth or Shadows Fall. The only metalcore act that really broke through with any sort of mainstream impact was Killswitch Engage.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 02, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
It's 2015 and Crazy Town just released a new album. I got nothing.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on September 02, 2015, 01:25:09 PM
COME MY LADY!  COME COME MY LADY!
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 02, 2015, 02:20:12 PM
It's 2015 and Crazy Town just released a new album. I got nothing.
I'm surprised you haven't noticed that Crazy Town does the theme for Impact Wrestling on Destination America, bro.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on September 02, 2015, 02:33:45 PM
I'm surprised that there hasn't yet been a widely-circulated meme among socially progressive Facebook pages depicting Shifty Shellshock in a fedora with the text "Come m'lady, come come m'lady."  Or maybe there has been and I missed it!
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 02, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Different genre of maligned '90s music but I was amazed (and somewhat relieved) that nobody did a mash up of the Spin Doctors' "Two Princes" and Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" a few years back.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on September 02, 2015, 03:13:12 PM
Call Me Maybe came on the radio this morning and made my day.

Your mashup suggestion blew my mind and the fact you shit on it after hurts my heart.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 02, 2015, 03:22:10 PM
I don't hate either of those songs (and like "Call Me Maybe") but the thought of the two of them mashed up is so maddeningly catchy that I'd probably want to scoop out my cerebellum with a grapefruit spoon if anyone ever brought it to reality.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 02, 2015, 08:37:52 PM
It's 2015 and Crazy Town just released a new album. I got nothing.
I'm surprised you haven't noticed that Crazy Town does the theme for Impact Wrestling on Destination America, bro.

Oh, I know that. It's still mind boggling that it's out.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Czech on September 06, 2015, 08:11:44 AM
It's 2015 and Crazy Town just released a new album. I got nothing.

TELL ME MORE
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 06, 2015, 11:20:10 AM
It's 2015 and Crazy Town just released a new album. I got nothing.

TELL ME MORE

Got a free copy and listened to it. While it's not good, it's still the best thing they've ever done.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on October 15, 2015, 03:46:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8eo6w4dGYc
Did you know Katy Perry sang backup for POD? Now you know!
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on October 15, 2015, 03:56:00 AM
I actually wrote about that collaboration in one of my CXF articles (cheap plug: http://culturecrossfire.com/music/rare-and-unique-music-collaborations/#.Vh_aXEuBPKg) where I also talk about Rivers Cuomo writing riifs for Crazy town and Cold and Billy Corgan co-writing a Taproot record.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on October 15, 2015, 04:27:29 AM
I was reading the comments section on Stereogum (not a big fan of that site, but hey) and someone posited the question of "What was Nu Metal's Jump the Shark moment?" Personally, I don't think it's possible for there to be one. There were so many bad things in it (the shitty covers of 80's hits; Limp Bizkit's Woodstock 99 performance; Vanilla Ice putting out a Nu Metal album; the mere existence of bands like Drowning Pool and Saliva-I could go on and on really) that it's impossible for the genre to do any shark jumping-the genre itself was a big shark.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on October 15, 2015, 04:37:36 AM
Honestly, for me it was the release of "Chocolate Starfish & The Hot Dog Flavored Water". That kind of had everyone thinking "yeah, this is really kind of lame". I'm sure there are people who disagree and nu metal went on strong for another year or two after that but I think Limp Bizkit gaining more prominence and more and more bands coming up for their 5 minutes before fading to obscurity really killed everything.

Also worth noting that Korn's album "Untouchables" that came out in 2002 right when nu metal was dying wasn't very well received.

The only reason bands like Linkin Park and Papa Roach are still big today are because they tried to leach on every musical trend to come their way. Papa Roach is especially guilty of this.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 15, 2015, 05:03:44 AM
The answer is Linkin Park.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on October 15, 2015, 07:42:05 AM
Hybrid Theory was a fun album, but when they dropped the rap, and stripped a lot of the over-production, their sound really stopped working.  Telling Mike Shinoda to "sing" did them no favors either.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on October 15, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Jump the shark moment in my mind was when Limp Bizkit did that cover of "Behind Blue Eyes" and the video had Fred Durst making out with Halle Barry (and this was not long after Durst boasted about banging Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera). Moment had probably peaked before then but this was the moment, at least to 13 year old me, when the nu metal guys went from vaguely relatable meathead douchebags to just stereotypical rock star douchebags.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Czech on October 15, 2015, 05:12:03 PM
Rivers Cuomo writing riifs for Crazy town

oh god I don't know how to handle this
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Ed on October 15, 2015, 08:27:15 PM
By 2003, you couldn't really find traces of nu metal anywhere in the mainstream. So, somewhere between 2002 and 2003 is when nu metal jumped the shark.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: cobainwasmurdered on October 15, 2015, 09:18:51 PM
It's 2015 and Crazy Town just released a new album. I got nothing.

TELL ME MORE

Just saw this and nearly died laughing. I'm gonna have to check this album out.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 15, 2015, 10:21:33 PM
Rivers Cuomo writing riifs for Crazy town

oh god I don't know how to handle this
By chuckling that Rivers Cuomo was tapped to write riffs for anybody?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on October 16, 2015, 12:49:15 AM
Jump the shark moment in my mind was when Limp Bizkit did that cover of "Behind Blue Eyes" and the video had Fred Durst making out with Halle Barry (and this was not long after Durst boasted about banging Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera). Moment had probably peaked before then but this was the moment, at least to 13 year old me, when the nu metal guys went from vaguely relatable meathead douchebags to just stereotypical rock star douchebags.

Nu metal was pretty much done by 2003 which is when that god awful cover came out (it was on the soundtrack to that craptastic movie, Gothika hence why Berry was in the video). By that time, Limp Bizkit were mocked for being behind the times and were the biggest laughing stock (even more than when they were in their prime) to anyone who wasn't a WWE fan
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on October 16, 2015, 09:10:46 AM
I was 14 in '03 so don't blame me for being behind the times with what was cool. I was an uncool 14 year old in '03. Actually, honestly, the moment when I realized nu-metal started becoming passe is when all of the "The" bands started hitting it big in '01 (Strokes, White Stripes, Hives, Vines). I think before that a lot of people were accepting nu metal as "OK. This is what's popular on rock radio right now" but once those bands came out, I think everybody realized how dumb and contrived nu metal was. Now The Strokes, Vines, and The White Stripes have their dumb side but much less so.

Also, on paper, it sounds kind of silly but I think 9/11 was a huge blow to nu metal. I think everybody realized how silly and unnecessary the genre's dumb, aggro bullshit was. Also does anyone remember the nu-metal bands being very pro War on Terror then releasing anti Bush albums/videos by the time the '04 election rolled around? I guess they were just like half of the country. At least, Aaron Lewis stuck by the NeoCons side. :)

I actually kind of like Cold's "Stupid Girl". It's basically a dumb, watered down, meathead version of a Weezer song. I definitely can see the Rivers Cuomo influence.

"Hurt You So Bad" just sounds like another Crazy Town song which makes me why they even bothered to bring Rivers Cuomo in.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on October 16, 2015, 11:24:39 AM
I can definitely see the 9/11 thing. Right around that time Disturbed was releasing a video for one of their songs (can't remember which one) where David was walking down the street and buildings were falling and in flames. It was kicked off of TV for being too close to 9/11 and killed their momentum with their new album.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on October 17, 2015, 01:12:28 AM
I was 14 in '03 so don't blame me for being behind the times with what was cool. I was an uncool 14 year old in '03. Actually, honestly, the moment when I realized nu-metal started becoming passe is when all of the "The" bands started hitting it big in '01 (Strokes, White Stripes, Hives, Vines). I think before that a lot of people were accepting nu metal as "OK. This is what's popular on rock radio right now" but once those bands came out, I think everybody realized how dumb and contrived nu metal was. Now The Strokes, Vines, and The White Stripes have their dumb side but much less so.

Also, on paper, it sounds kind of silly but I think 9/11 was a huge blow to nu metal. I think everybody realized how silly and unnecessary the genre's dumb, aggro bullshit was. Also does anyone remember the nu-metal bands being very pro War on Terror then releasing anti Bush albums/videos by the time the '04 election rolled around? I guess they were just like half of the country. At least, Aaron Lewis stuck by the NeoCons side. :)

These are actually two great points. By the time The Strokes and The White Stripes came around, critics went nuts for them (except for the Vines, who I remember got a lukewarm reception) and the mere idea of Nu Metal seemed like a joke. Also,pretty much everything you said about 9/11 putting a big nail in it's coffin. Granted, modern Rock radio hasn't changed that much. There might not be as much Nu Metal on the airwaves today, but instead it's Nickleback and other Post-Grunge and butt rock bands. Interestingly enough, even that radio format is slowly dying. Pop music is now taken more seriously than it was ten to fifteen years ago, and Hip-Hop remains the most popular form of music. When you look at it like that, a bunch of shitty bands with frontmen that have really annoying, yarl-ey vocals is something that not a lot of people want to associate with.

Another thing to factor in is the rise of mainstream Emo and Mallcore. Sometime in the early to middle (and in some cases late) 2000's, bands like  Dasboard Confessional, My Chemical Romance and Hawthorne Heights became popular. For kids who had tired of Nu Metal outside of maybe Linkin Park, these kinds of bands were the soundtrack for the era of Livejournal (remember that?) and Myspace. To them, it was probably "You meatheads and bros can have shit like Drowning Pool and Limp Bizkit, we'll stick with this." I'm not saying it was good music (I'd rather not go back to an era in which Good Charlotte is a thing) but it probably helped play a part in Nu Metal's decline in popularity.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 17, 2015, 03:59:55 AM
You can trace a good portion of nu metal's demise to the internet. Oh, you like Disturbed because they have some melody and groove to their riffs? Here's Unearth, who can actually play their instruments. "Wow," the pubescent boy says, "those bands MTV play are shitty!"
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on October 17, 2015, 04:16:02 AM
You can trace a good portion of nu metal's demise to the internet. Oh, you like Disturbed because they have some melody and groove to their riffs? Here's Unearth, who can actually play their instruments. "Wow," the pubescent boy says, "those bands MTV play are shitty!"
I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but the internet post Napster really changed things. Newer and more file sharing sites means potential exposure to other bands. Even outside of that, the internet means democratization, which means that people can find out about bands without having to go to the radio, MTV or your local Target or Best Buy. In a way, this lead to metal-both the then modern New Wave of American Heavy Metal and Metalcore*, as well as older bands not only getting attention, but Metal can now be something that people can be okay with liking again. That more and more people realized that Metal isn't just for dumb Meatheads or Misanthropic shut-ins. Times and attitudes change, and that can be a good thing in spite of what remaining fans of Nu Metal or even certain Metal purists say.

*I do find it interesting that Metalcore lead to bands like Shadows Fall and Killswitch Engage. I say that because when you look at some of the earlier bands in that genre-the likes of Acme, Botch, Coalesce and Deadguy for example-couldn't be more different then what happened later.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 17, 2015, 04:32:34 AM
Agreed on the asterisked. It's a much easier timeline to digest when you take into account that the Boston bands were initially called melodic metalcore to separate their sound from the Karen Crisis projects and whatnot, but I can see how that sound (Gothenburg riffs with breakdowns and "rise above" themed lyrics) became so dominant.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on October 26, 2015, 10:18:00 AM
Only one of these bands is nu metal but felt obligated to post this....
http://consequenceofsound.net/video/a-conversation-with-the-darkness/
The Darkness called out Disturbed in an interview and Justin Hawkins called them the "Taco Bell of Rock".

The Darkness publicly trashing Disturbed is something that would have made me really happy in 2004 but in 2015, I just scratched my head.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on October 28, 2015, 02:27:10 AM
I'm not defending Disturbed but The Darkness were a pretty big joke when they broke out in the early 2000. Sure "I Believe In A Thing Called Love" is a catchy tune but they were always seen as a 3rd or 4th rate Queen. Still are I'm pretty sure. The fact that they felt the need to throw shade at anybody is hilarious.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on October 28, 2015, 04:21:41 AM
Disturbed-The song "Down With the Sickness", along with several other things, really made me realize how awful Nu Metal was. Everything about that song is terrible, and the spoken word portion of the song is one of the funniest things ever. Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MGLFGUBo-A
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 28, 2015, 06:10:47 AM
Disturbed is far from the worst of those bands. Flaw is right there guys. Right fucking there.

 (https://youtu.be/qQijtjXYqDI)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on October 28, 2015, 07:00:38 AM
The winner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsl-TodL5sI
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 28, 2015, 11:19:50 AM
...yep. "Winner" alright.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on October 28, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
Disturbed is far from the worst of those bands. Flaw is right there guys. Right fucking there.

 (https://youtu.be/qQijtjXYqDI)
I listened to Flaw back in the day, early 2000s. For some reason, a couple weeks back I was thinking about them. I was surprised to see that they were still making music. Downloaded their stuff. Immediately delete it after listening for a few minutes. Just bad all around.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on October 29, 2015, 01:28:47 PM
I'm not defending Disturbed but The Darkness were a pretty big joke when they broke out in the early 2000. Sure "I Believe In A Thing Called Love" is a catchy tune but they were always seen as a 3rd of 4th rate Queen. Still are I'm pretty sure. The fact that they felt the need to throw shade at anybody is hilarious.
Fair point. The only people who really respected The Darkness were fellow classic rock nerds like myself and even amongst them, they were pretty divisive as a lot of people (like my cousin and possibly BUTT) just assumed they were making fun of bombastic '70s arena rock. A ton of my Facebook friends are going to their show in Boston on Sunday.

Permission to Land is a real motherfucker of an album though. Way better than any of the bands mentioned ITT.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 29, 2015, 10:54:33 PM
Bullshit. We've mentioned System of a Down at least once before talking the Darkness, and SOAD blow most bands who gained their fame between '99 and now out of the fucking water.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on October 30, 2015, 01:55:16 AM
Point taken but SOAD was really mentioned as a band that didn't belong ITT so I didn't really think of them when I made that statement.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Gary on November 13, 2015, 07:04:09 AM
Barack Obama is not the lead singer from Korn. (http://www.vulture.com/2015/11/barack-obama-denies-being-korns-jonathan-davis.html)
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on February 03, 2016, 06:38:35 AM
Just heard someone talking about "that Rob Zombie song 'Let the Bodies Hit the Floor'" - don't know if I should feel like they should know that or bless their happy life for not knowing any of that.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on April 19, 2017, 01:06:13 PM
KoRn's new bass player is Robert Trujillo's 12 year old kid and Fred Durst, inspired by La La Land, is hosting invite only jazz nights in L.A.

NU METAL IS ALIVE AND WELL, BROTHERS!
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on April 20, 2017, 07:06:06 AM
I think Trujillo's kid is only covering for Fieldy temporarily.  That's the plan at least. 
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Baby Shoes on April 20, 2017, 07:25:25 AM
I read it was because Fieldy has a "personal matter" to attend to, so it just for this little run in South America but something still creeps me out about them bringing a 12-year old on tour with them.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on April 20, 2017, 11:06:11 AM
Robert Trujillo's bloodline is of greater power than all of Korn's. Were the tour to crash in a combat zone, he will crab walk them to safety.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on April 21, 2017, 01:49:42 AM
I read it was because Fieldy has a "personal matter" to attend to, so it just for this little run in South America but something still creeps me out about them bringing a 12-year old on tour with them.
Taking a 12 year old on tour in SOUTH AMERICA no less.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: NoCalMike on April 21, 2017, 02:48:47 PM
The "height" of nu-metal coincides to about the time I was growing tired of what Top 40 hard rock radio was offering.  The nu-metal bands were always filler to me until a Tool, Pantera, or SOAD song or something older came on the radio and because those were few and far between during this time. It was when I started getting into Slayer and more thrash & extreme metal and by late high school (1998) and the year or so afterwards I was pretty much done with hard rock radio all together. This was also still relatively early in P2P file sharing so while discovering new music wasn't the absolute simple process it is in 2016, it was still pretty eye opening and mind-melting the way the doors to all this heavy stuff I had no prior knowledge of was now at my finger tips.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Fall of Epic on July 18, 2018, 03:04:42 PM
Remember when that guy from Snot died and all his nu-metal buddies got together for a song about him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-4iXHYMJ6U

I was shocked at how much of the lyrcs I remembered  :-[
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Nymyzys on July 19, 2018, 02:38:22 AM
Angel's Son was fantastic, and that was a fun album.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Wrestlemania/Limp Bizkit WINNER on September 28, 2018, 08:30:38 AM
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 13, 2019, 01:50:33 AM
I nearly flew halfway across the country earlier this week to get into a physical altercation with a friend after he asserted that Tool was a nu metal band during a group chat. Just when we seemed to come to a truce. He blew his lid when I said Rage Against The Machine were an influence on nu metal.

One more combative nu-metal argument and I might pull an EHME and buy a plane ticket to break a fuckin' face.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal#1980s–1993:_Predecessors_and_influences
Also I learned that the Wikipedia entry for nu metal mentions both of them, Nine Inch Nails, The Boo-Yaa T.R.IB.E. and FISHBONE as influences for nu metal.

I'm a fan of hot takes but I have no idea where to draw the line from Fishbone to nu-metal.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on September 13, 2019, 03:38:18 AM
I'm a fan of hot takes but I have no idea where to draw the line from Fishbone to nu-metal.

bro that's because you don't understand the epic diversity of the greatest genre:

Quote
The funk influence of Primus, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Fishbone, the hip hop/metal crossover of Rage Against the Machine, the Industrial metal of Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, and Ministry, and the aggressive Experimental Metal of Faith No More.

https://numetal.fandom.com/wiki/Nu_Metal

i know what you're thinking, trust me that link is unbiased
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 13, 2019, 03:41:28 AM
I feel like Fishbone has more of an influence on Sublime and 311 than nu-metal.


WHERE DOES SUBLIME FIT INTO THIS EQUATION!?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Grit, Toughness, Soul, & Spirit on September 13, 2019, 03:55:50 AM
Didn't Fishbone have some of the clicky click bass that Korn uses. I need to brush up on Fishbone.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 13, 2019, 03:59:22 AM
Documentary on Fishbone that was narrated by Laurence Fishburne from six or seven years ago is pretty dang good.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on September 14, 2019, 12:00:25 PM
Not sure how many will listen, but the new Korn album, The Nothing, is fantastic, and getting great reviews. I'm a long time fan, as I first started following them in 1994, so I'm a bit bias. I haven't hated any of the albums, some obviously better than others, but this is a hell of an album. If you're a fan, I can say, you'll most likely love it.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on September 14, 2019, 12:51:36 PM
A couple of my friends, who I consider kind of hipster-y (although one of them is a huge rasslin fan too), were publicly talking unironically about how big of KoRn fans they were today and I guess now I know why.  :o
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Boomer Kamala on October 20, 2019, 06:26:01 AM
Can someone change this folder's subtitle to "heavy music for underground fans"?
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: Avid Enthusiast of Warehouses on October 21, 2019, 03:25:34 AM
Sad thing is that the writer wasn't entirely wrong, if you don't count the hardcore and death/black metal scenes. 3 Dollar Bill isn't as poppy or slick as the rest and sounds different enough.
Title: Re: The LOL At Nu-Metal thread
Post by: samoarowe on November 27, 2019, 06:44:27 AM
I think nu-metals jump the shark moment was me turning 18 and becoming very embarrassed by all of it (circa 2002).