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Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: Box on May 16, 2009, 03:52:10 PM
Looks like a solid card from top to bottom:

WWE Championship
The Viper Randy Orton (C) vs. Batista

Orton retains. No way he drops the title this fast.

World Heavyweight Championship
Edge (C) vs. Jeff Hardy

Edge retains with Hardy just a fill in challenger right now. After Edge retains, Punk cashes in the MITB and wins the title. If WWE really wants to go in a new direction and build stars, while getting their imput, what better way then to do it, with a hometown boy winning the world title.

ECW Championship
Christian (C) vs. Jack Swagger

Swagger wins the ECW title. It's close to One Night Stand, or whatever WWE calls it these days, and I see Dreamer doing it, and winning the title in due time.

John Cena vs. Big Show

Show wins. Isn't Cena suppose to be off filiming? If so, let Show completely destroy Cena.

Intercontinental Championship
Rey Mysterio (C) vs. Chris Jericho

Jericho wins the IC title. If it wasn't for the knee injury, I would see him retaining, but let's all hail the NINE time IC champion.

CM Punk vs. Umaga

Umaga def. Punk to flatten the crowd and make it less obvious that Punk will cash in the MITB.

John Morrison vs. Shelton Benjamin

Surprised this was added to the card over the US title. Morrison def. Benjamin and WWE proves they are seriously with Morrison's push.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: Downhome on May 16, 2009, 04:25:52 PM
The absolute only reason I'm ordering this show is for ECW and SD. I've enjoyed both of those shows so much that I feel like I have to order this show just for those matches.

If those two RAW matches weren't on this show, I'd still be ordering this one.

Heck, I wish I could take the RAW matches off and replace them with another match from ECW and another one from SD.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: 6foot9 on May 16, 2009, 05:01:37 PM
does Finlay ever wrestle on PPVs?  He's always in some kind of decent feud on ECW, but he rarely gets to blow them off on ppv.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: General Spliff on May 17, 2009, 02:16:03 AM
does Finlay ever wrestle on PPVs?  He's always in some kind of decent feud on ECW, but he rarely gets to blow them off on ppv.

Its a shame...wudnt mind some sort of match with him against Kidd or Smith
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on May 17, 2009, 03:12:08 AM
Besides WM and the Rumble, Finlay had a match with Swagger at No Way Out this year.
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Post by: Chris G on May 17, 2009, 03:27:38 AM
Besides WM and the Rumble, Finlay had a match with Swagger at No Way Out this year.

Do they think Finlay's not good enough for PPV matches just because that one sucked?
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: foleyfanforever88 on May 17, 2009, 05:59:15 AM
I'm with Downhome on this one. I really have no interest in Orton-Batista or Cena-Show, but Jericho-Rey, Punk-Umaga, Benjamin-Morrison, Edge-Jeff(-Punk?), and Christian-Swagger have me strongly considering putting down some money tonight.
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on May 17, 2009, 07:00:48 AM
I hope they don't kill all the streams.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 07:10:31 AM
Same here. I want to see the show tonight, but PPVs are expensive, and the last show I bought was Unforgiven 08 and that made me not want to buy anymore PPVs
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Post by: Adam on May 17, 2009, 07:33:00 AM
Just do what I do guys, don't watch the PPV and simply download it after, it'll only run 1.1 gig or so, which you can download while you're at work/school/while you wait tomorrow.
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Post by: DMann1979 on May 17, 2009, 09:18:46 AM
This is crazy, I've actually ordered every PPV so far this year, so I figure, why the hell not, this show looks pretty good.
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Post by: 6foot9 on May 17, 2009, 09:48:37 AM
just went through the PPV results from 08 and 09, and this is Finlays record.

wrestlemania '09- mitb (lost)
no way out '09- vs swagger for the ecw title (lost)
royal rumble '09- rumble (lost)
Armageddon '08- vs Mark Henry (win)
unforgiven '08- championship scramble (lost)
gab '08- 4 team match for the titles (lost) (w/ Hornswoggle)
night of champions '08- vs. miz and morrison for the tag titles (w/ Hornswoggle) (lost)
wrestlemania 08- vs JBL in a belfast brawl (lost)
no way out 08- smackdown/ecw elimination chamber (lost)

Just 1 win in 9 matches.  Though he was in multimen/team matches in 5 of those matches.  Twice he was in a tag team with Hornswoggle.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on May 17, 2009, 10:00:29 AM
It's like Finlay knows wrestling is fake, his age means his spot on the card is mostly permanent, and that losses won't hurt him. There's no conspiracy here, gang. Finlay sits in on booking meetings.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 10:05:10 AM
He only has one win in nine matches because he obviously isn't that good at professional wrestling.

Why would WWE keep putting a guy on PPV if he always loses?
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Post by: Sty Guy Kamala on May 17, 2009, 10:06:12 AM
Seeing that makes me  wonder what's the worst PPV record of all time--- almost has to be Tito Santana. I think the opener at the first WrestleMania was not only his only WrestleMania victory but his only PPV victory overall. Never won at a SummerSlam and I don't think he ever had a singles or tag match at Royal Rumble.

Why the hell is he in the WWE Hall of Fame if he lost so damn much ???
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 10:12:13 AM
He was the survivor in the Survivor Series 90 match. And his team won the Ultimate Finale match
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Post by: 6foot9 on May 17, 2009, 10:13:09 AM
sorry that I thought they were trying to let new guys step up and yet they refuse to let one of their best hands actually get some steam built under him by actually showcasing him on ppvs.  honest mistake, won't happen again.  ::)
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Post by: Gary on May 17, 2009, 10:15:58 AM
Seeing that makes me  wonder what's the worst PPV record of all time--- almost has to be Tito Santana. I think the opener at the first WrestleMania was not only his only WrestleMania victory but his only PPV victory overall. Never won at a SummerSlam and I don't think he ever had a singles or tag match at Royal Rumble.

Why the hell is he in the WWE Hall of Fame if he lost so damn much ???
Same reason Koko B. Ware is in the HOF.
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Post by: Adam on May 17, 2009, 10:17:01 AM
sorry that I thought they were trying to let new guys step up and yet they refuse to let one of their best hands actually get some steam built under him by actually showcasing him on ppvs.  honest mistake, won't happen again.  ::)

Are we talking Finlay still? If so, he's hardly new, he's 51.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 10:20:31 AM
because I'm sad:

Tito-

1-0 (wins at Wrestlemania)
2-0 (beats Don Muraco, Wrestling Classic)
2-0-1 (DCO Paul Orndorff, Wrestling Classic)
2-1-1 (w/ JYD loses to Funks, WM 2)
2-2-1 (w/ Bulldogs loses to Harts and Danny Davis, WM 3)
3-2-1 (w/Rick Martel, Bulldogs, Rougeaus, Young Stallions, Killer Bees defeats Islanders, Demolition, Bolsheviks, and Dream Team, SurS87)
3-3-1 (w/ Martel loses to Demoliton WM 4)
3-4-1 (w/Roberts, Scott Casey, Ken Patera, and Duggan lose to Andre, Rude, Bravo, Perfect, Race, SurS88)
3-5-1 (does not win RR 89)
3-6-1 (w/ Martel loses to Brainbusters WMV)
3-7-1 (w/Rockers loses to Martel and Rougeaus SumS89)
4-7-1 (w/Dusty, Beefcake and Rooster defeats Bossman, Martel, Bad News and Honky)
4-8-1 (does not win RR 90)
4-9-1 (loses to Barbarian WM VI)
4-10-1 (loses to Warlord SumS 90)
5-10-1 (w/ Volkoff and Bushwhackers defeats Slaughter, Orient Express and Zukov, SurS90)
6-10-1 (w/ Hogan and Warrior defeats Dibiase, Martel, Warlord, Power and Glory, SurS90)
6-11-1 (does not win RR 91)
6-12-1 (loses to Mountie, WM VII)
7-12-1 (w/ Slaughter, Duggan and Von Erich defeats Berzerker, Mustafa, Hercules, Skinner SurS 91)
7-13-1 (w/ Virgil loses to Repo Man and Dibiase TIT)
7-14-1 (does not win RR 92)
7-15-1 (loses to HBK, WMVIII)
7-16-1 (does not win RR 93)
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: 6foot9 on May 17, 2009, 10:21:02 AM
sorry that I thought they were trying to let new guys step up and yet they refuse to let one of their best hands actually get some steam built under him by actually showcasing him on ppvs.  honest mistake, won't happen again.  ::)

Are we talking Finlay still? If so, he's hardly new, he's 51.

I meant new as in someone who rarely ever gets pushed.  

and the first person that mentions anything that happened during his time as Hornswoggles dad is a gay communist.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on May 17, 2009, 10:29:03 AM
Seeing that makes me  wonder what's the worst PPV record of all time--- almost has to be Tito Santana. I think the opener at the first WrestleMania was not only his only WrestleMania victory but his only PPV victory overall. Never won at a SummerSlam and I don't think he ever had a singles or tag match at Royal Rumble.

He beat Don Muraco on what was actually the very first WWF PPV "The Wrestling Classic" in 1985.  The first Wrestlemania was closed circuit, not PPV.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: 6foot9 on May 17, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Seeing that makes me  wonder what's the worst PPV record of all time--- almost has to be Tito Santana. I think the opener at the first WrestleMania was not only his only WrestleMania victory but his only PPV victory overall. Never won at a SummerSlam and I don't think he ever had a singles or tag match at Royal Rumble.

Why the hell is he in the WWE Hall of Fame if he lost so damn much ???

man finlays ppv record make Tito look like Hulk Hogan.

just went through 2007 and Finlay accomplished the following:

07 armageddon- vs. Khali (win)
07 survivor series- vs. triple h, jeff hardy, rey mysterio and Kane (teaming with umaga, kennedy, mvp and vis) (lost)
07 cyber sunday- vs rey in a stretcher match (lost)
07 no mercy- vs rey (no contest)
07 summer slam- vs. kane (lost)
07 wrestlemania- mitb (lost)
07 no way out- vs. Boogeyman (lost) (featuring midgets)
07 royal rumble- rumble (lost)

So since the beginning of 2007 Finlay is 2-14-1
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on May 17, 2009, 10:49:38 AM
Hey guys, let's chat.
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Post by: 6foot9 on May 17, 2009, 10:57:18 AM
and finally 06

06 armageddon- vs. cena and batista (teaming with Booker) (lost)
06 survivor series- vs. cena, kane, lashley, rvd, and sabu (teaming with big show, mvp, test and umaga) (lost)
06 no mercy- vs. booker, lashley and batista (lost)
06 great american bash- vs. regal (won)
06 judgment day- vs. benoit (lost)
06 wrestlemania- mitb (lost)

for an overall WWE ppv record of 3-19-1
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
I prefer posting in the threads to the chats, it's nice to have it for posterity.

So where can we watch said show if we don't feel like calling our local cable company to order now
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on May 17, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
sorry that I thought they were trying to let new guys step up and yet they refuse to let one of their best hands actually get some steam built under him by actually showcasing him on ppvs.  honest mistake, won't happen again.  ::)

Are we talking Finlay still? If so, he's hardly new, he's 51.

I meant new as in someone who rarely ever gets pushed.  

and the first person that mentions anything that happened during his time as Hornswoggles dad is a gay communist.

Finlay's whole job detail is teaching new guys to work while putting them over. He doesn't need a push. Being Hornswoggle's dad turned out to be a huge reward for him because (I assume) he got a cut of some popular merchandise.
Title: WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009
Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 11:10:05 AM
I think because he's an agent, he also gets his expenses paid for. So that's gotta rule
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Post by: HTQ on May 17, 2009, 11:19:02 AM
From what I saw, the opener looked really good and the crowd were very into it.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 11:19:28 AM
Why does Vince hate hometowns?
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Post by: HTQ on May 17, 2009, 11:32:53 AM
Crowd spent from the opener or just not really caring about this one?
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Post by: HTQ on May 17, 2009, 12:03:27 PM
That fake laughing was REALLY annoying.
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Post by: Matt Young on May 17, 2009, 12:11:58 PM
I missed 2 of the matches I really wanted to see, but at least I can watch Jericho/Mysterio.
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Post by: Matt Young on May 17, 2009, 12:20:58 PM
"Jericho- the type of Superstar who would claw your eyeballs out if he could!"

- Todd Grisham
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 12:25:04 PM
That was a really good match, great payoff with the 619
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Post by: HTQ on May 17, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
DQ finish, hence the placement?
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Post by: Matt Young on May 17, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
Really good match.  I'd been waiting 7 years to see thee guys wrestle each other again.
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Post by: HTQ on May 17, 2009, 12:50:08 PM
Batista with his patented impression of Kevin from Home Alone.
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Post by: Matt Young on May 17, 2009, 12:51:22 PM
Batista, Flair, and HHH vs. Legacy.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 12:51:44 PM
Woooooooooooo
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Post by: AntiLeaf33 on May 17, 2009, 01:30:21 PM
So, Cena wins a match that Show dominated and he didn't get a post match beat down? Guess Cena isn't leaving just yet to shoot that movie. That said, he'll probably get taken out tomorrow night, or at Extreme Rules at the latest.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 01:36:55 PM
I haven't heard anything official about Cena shooting another movie so soon
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Post by: Matt Young on May 17, 2009, 01:47:11 PM
Nice finish.  Now Punk, then Umaga.
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 01:49:34 PM
Nope!

Punk doing MITB would've been cool, but it'd be the same thing they did last year, and Edge needs a real title reign for once
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on May 17, 2009, 01:52:04 PM
Good PPV overall. Edge/Hardy told a pretty good story, with Edge being smarter than Jeff and the latter of the two relying on risks to keep up. Just when he has him down in the end, he just HAD to go for one last high risk maneuver, and it cost him.
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Post by: 6foot9 on May 17, 2009, 02:05:03 PM
i fell asleep during the main event and woke up to the show having already gone off the air.
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on May 17, 2009, 02:12:35 PM
That's what happens when you fall asleep in the main event I guess
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Post by: 6foot9 on May 17, 2009, 02:17:08 PM
must not have been a very long main event.  i was only asleep for like 10 minutes. :(
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 17, 2009, 02:32:34 PM
The main event was 20
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Post by: RedJed on May 17, 2009, 02:43:35 PM
The first half of this show was really damn good, and really only got slowed down in one spot/match overall, top to bottom a well done pay per view, much better than I thought it was going to be. Umaga/Punk was an excellent opener and probably even better than I expected. Swagger/Christian wasn't at the level of some of their other bouts, but it still told a story (and keeps a story going) good. Morrison/Benjamin was a really solid match as well, and the Miz segment even delivered for "segments that aren't matches but are on ppv anyway" standards. Felt like it was a ppv-calibur promo of sorts. And Rey/Jericho definately did end up being a hell of a match, my personal MOTN, although it could easily go to Hardy/Edge as well.

Flair most definately has to be coming back to the company now and will probably be working a match by the end of the summer at this rate, if not by Night of Champions perhaps, against Orton. You could tell he was "feeling it" by the response he got and it seems like they will be doing an Evolution Redux against Legacy, with Flair and HHH returning to the ring both within months here. I think they should still turn Batista at some point too, and Flair and HHH can both play effectively against a heel Batista also.

Other than the awesome unexpected Flair run-in, that title match was pretty awful though, seeing Orton go that chickenshit heel to the point of getting DQed versus actually being a sneaky and smart heel by picking the right spot and finally getting the win out of the rest of the match playing coward otherwise. There's a fine line there in effective heels (ironically, just ask Flair) and when you put Orton in that role of being too chickenshit that he has to slap a ref to get DQed, that's just stupid if you ask me. But all the same, hilarious that Batista keeps up that streak of being just schmozed out of a title win on ppv, and that same stupid look everytime after the bell finishes the match. I suppose a rematch will happen with some gimmick attached at the next ppv. Or they could rush Flair/HHH/Batista v. Legacy.

All the same, the Flair appearance was totally out of the blue and probably was the most significant thing of the night out of the show, signifying that rumored return "itch" is for real.

Cena/Show just plain was not good at all, was so ridiculously slow at times I wanted nothing more than to fast forward it, but I couldn't since I was watching it live. The match itself just seemed so forced and unenthusiastic or something in the way it was presented, especially how the announcers seemed to oversell the shit out of every single thing about it. This match was easily the low point of the show.

Edge/Hardy was a really strong match to close the show as the main event, I liked the finish alot, thankfully they didn't end the show with Cena/Show or even Batista/Orton, as this was main event level in execution in the ring, whereas Batista/Orton didn't have that, but had the Flair deal goin for it. And I've already said how bad Cena/Show was.
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Post by: Obi Chris Kenobi on May 17, 2009, 05:13:51 PM
To have both heels with a belt lose via DQ to retain in a matter of weeks is pretty lazy.
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Post by: UterusJuice on May 17, 2009, 05:21:29 PM
Overall I have no complaints over tonight's event but I have to question the logic over Punk. I don't go nuts over the guy like everyone else on the internet but he was booked badly tonight. I would have stayed with Umaga beating him clean like they did but then have him come out after Edge won/survived the main event. Then you have Umaga as the #1 contender. I guess Vince really has something against guys getting over in their home town.
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Post by: Bigelow34 on May 17, 2009, 11:59:48 PM
Flair looked jacked too and had his tight shirt sleeves rolled up just enough to show off the guns. I hope he stays out of the ring and just manages Triple H, Batista and Shawn against Legacy.
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Post by: AntiLeaf33 on May 18, 2009, 12:51:45 AM
When was the last time a PPV Main Event ended with a Superplex?
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Post by: JHawk on May 18, 2009, 12:55:48 AM
It was actually a jumping DDT off the top rope, but I'm not sure a PPV has ever ended with a superplex.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on May 18, 2009, 01:03:48 AM
I have got to find that Miz promo. It just sounds awesome.
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Post by: Jingus on May 18, 2009, 01:05:31 AM
I'm not sure a PPV has ever ended with a superplex.
King of the Ring 2001, Austin vs Benoit vs Jericho.  Oddly, Austin was the one taking the superplex, but he still rolled over and pinned the guy who'd just given him the superplex.  Anyone ever find out what the hell was going on there?  One of the odder PPV finishes I've ever seen, like the women's 3-way at Mania 19 which ended with a boot to the stomach.  
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Post by: HSJ on May 18, 2009, 01:15:31 AM
Isn't that the spot that destroyed Benoits neck, leading to his neck surgery?
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Post by: Sabre on May 18, 2009, 01:32:42 AM
I think Benoits neck was due for surgery before then, but the superplex caused enough damage to cause a rushed finish.

God how i loved the crossface/walls combo they kept pimping Austin with.
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Post by: Rock Star From Mars on May 18, 2009, 01:43:57 AM
"It's almost like Randy Orton's emotion, is emotionless"


I love Michael Cole.
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Post by: Jingus on May 18, 2009, 02:07:33 AM
I think Benoits neck was due for surgery before then, but the superplex caused enough damage to cause a rushed finish.
Which would make sense... if it were a singles match.  It was not.  Jericho was the other guy, standing right there, healthy as a horse.  Even if Benoit couldn't continue, they couldn't just cart him out on a stretcher while the other Chris improvised a new finish with Austin?  Instead, we got one of the most nonsensical endings ever, with a guy who just took a move pinning the guy who just did the move to him. 
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Post by: wnyxmcneal on May 18, 2009, 02:11:08 AM
Benoit's neck got fucked after the diving headbutt through a table spot from TLC 3.
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Post by: Jingus on May 18, 2009, 02:15:29 AM
I always heard it was the diving headbutt off the cage.  Or maybe I'm confusing that with Angle fucking his neck up with the moonsault off the cage in the same match.  Either way, Benoit was doing a lot of hellaciously dangerous stunts in a very short period of time, and it definitely caught up with him. 
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Post by: AntiLeaf33 on May 18, 2009, 02:18:36 AM
After watching the end of the WHC match again I see that it was more of an Edgucation from the top rope then a suplex. I must have been browsing the net or paying attention to something else when it was happening live and all I heard was a comment about how that was a devastating suplex, thus the earlier comment.
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Post by: fazzle on May 18, 2009, 02:28:07 AM
at KOTR 2001, didn't Benoit actually superplex Jericho, leading to Austin pinning Benoit?
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Post by: Jingus on May 18, 2009, 02:29:49 AM
...did he?  Hang on. 

::clicky clicky Youtube::

Well damn, you're right.  Which makes, like, equally little sense.  Why pin the guy who just did the move, instead of Jericho who just took the move? 
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Post by: Aero on May 18, 2009, 02:30:43 AM
No, I'm pretty sure Benoit suplexed Austin, which made the finish all the more stranger since Austin covered Benoit off of that. Technically, it wasn't a superplex but just a back suplex off the top.

Edit: Nevermind :(
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Post by: fazzle on May 18, 2009, 02:33:56 AM
Yeah, it still makes no sense, not trying to argue that at all.  I was there live, and I just remember going "....Wha?   That's it, really?"
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Post by: HSJ on May 18, 2009, 02:48:53 AM
Both people usually sell the superplex spot. Because, you know, you're both falling from the top rope. It hurts and stuff.
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Post by: RedJed on May 18, 2009, 03:04:15 AM
That finish at KOTR was done because they were going to be giving Benoit some time off and they had to manufacture a spot to sell that he would be out of action for awhile. So basically, he was already injured, but they worked that superplex spot to make it look like that was what really injured him, hence the odd (planned) finish.
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Post by: foleyfanforever88 on May 18, 2009, 04:58:22 AM
Anybody have a good place where I can download the show? (not a torrent)
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Post by: Adam on May 18, 2009, 05:01:20 AM
Why don't you want a torrent? They're much better than direct downloads.
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Post by: Sabre on May 18, 2009, 05:42:02 AM
Why don't you want a torrent? They're much better than direct downloads.

^o) i dont undertsand this comment.  Id rather have a constant 800kbs direct speed than a potentially slow torrent.
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Post by: Kotzenjunge on May 18, 2009, 05:47:06 AM
The streams are getting hammered. There were four or five replays of Backlash last month all day Monday, it's about impossible to find one today.
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Post by: Adam on May 18, 2009, 06:30:15 AM
Why don't you want a torrent? They're much better than direct downloads.

^o) i dont undertsand this comment.  Id rather have a constant 800kbs direct speed than a potentially slow torrent.

Hmm, depends which way you look at it I guess. With downloads, they often seem to peter out to low speeds, at with with torrents you've always got people (as long as its a popular download) to leech from. I hit speeds up to 1.5mb a second on torrent.
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Post by: Papacita on May 18, 2009, 08:38:53 AM
Re: the KOTR 2001 finish, didn't Austin actually get hurt pretty bad off that run-in by Booker T?  IIRC he was out for about a month afterwards (hence the Kurt Angle hugging skits) and I always figured that was the reasoning behind the odd finish to the 3-way.
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Post by: HTQ on May 18, 2009, 09:18:59 AM
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

Figured when Punk did that clean of a job he'd be coming out later, either to challenge for a title or just do a run-in to cost someone a match. Punk did have a lot of heat prior to a recent interview, even though he was mostly smart politically in the answers he gave; one possible misstep was the comment that Evan Bourne was better than DiBiase or Rhodes. However, an answer that almost certainly did him no favors was when he was asked if he ever thought that he and Samoa Joe would be both be world champions and he said yes. From day one Punk when was brought up to the roster, Dave was always told that Punk has so much heat but when the reasons were explained, Dave felt they were always 'trivial and stupid'. However, for whatever reason, and Dave speculates on several, Punk just has heat. Dave reckons a primary reason is that Punk is seen has being too confident in himself, but then he points out that every wrestler who is really good as great confidence in themselves, which is part of what makes them really good. Dave does say it might be justified because he hears from people knocking Punk who are not petty and usually get along with everyone.

Dave thinks that, ultimately, Punk lost because they were in Chicago and Punk was super over and the mindset was that Punk was more over than he should be. Also comments that it's almost a rule of thumb to beat people in their hometowns. Dave then brings up an interesting point. Punk was the Grand Marshal of the Thanksgiving Day Parade in Chicago last year, and it's a mainstream deal. WWE is a company that is desperate for mainstream publicity of any kind, and when Chicago did that for Punk, WWE would have been smart to protect the guy and not beat him in his hometown as he could have a been a big hometown hero who could get mainstream publicity for them.
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Post by: Sabre on May 18, 2009, 09:26:29 AM
Re: the KOTR 2001 finish, didn't Austin actually get hurt pretty bad off that run-in by Booker T?  IIRC he was out for about a month afterwards (hence the Kurt Angle hugging skits) and I always figured that was the reasoning behind the odd finish to the 3-way.

Thats right, he mentions it on the "What?" dvd that he was pretty messed up so they put him and Angle together just to keep him on camera.
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Post by: foleyfanforever88 on May 18, 2009, 10:15:01 AM
I just finished watching the show (except I skipped over Show-Cena), and I have to say it was one of the better PPVs the E has put on in a long time. The first 90 minutes or so were awesome. Jericho-Rey was definitely the MOTN and I can't wait for a rematch/series between the two. I'm looking forward to rematches between Shelton-Morrison and Punk-Umaga as well. The great crowd made the show even better.
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Post by: Adam on May 18, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
Anybody else thinking that we're heading for a Hair vs Mask match?
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Post by: Jebus on May 18, 2009, 12:19:22 PM
I'm not sure a PPV has ever ended with a superplex.
One of the odder PPV finishes I've ever seen, like the women's 3-way at Mania 19 which ended with a boot to the stomach.  

It was a "Chick kick". Maybe it was not well executed but the match was supposed to end with Trish's finisher.
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Post by: SBofn on May 18, 2009, 01:05:17 PM
Dave thinks that, ultimately, Punk lost because they were in Chicago and Punk was super over and the mindset was that Punk was more over than he should be.

Asinine.
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Post by: JHawk on May 18, 2009, 01:06:56 PM
Dave thinks that, ultimately, Punk lost because they were in Chicago and Punk was super over and the mindset was that Punk was more over than he should be.

Asinine.
"But we don't want people to like him!"
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Post by: Papacita on May 18, 2009, 04:04:07 PM
If that's the case, why bother putting him over Edge or having him win MITB? 
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Post by: FroGG_NeaLL on May 24, 2009, 12:36:07 AM
So they can have him established enough to slap the belt back on him and make a point that thier top guy is drug free the next time people bitch about drugs.
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Post by: JPopStarKami on May 24, 2009, 02:23:24 AM
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.
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Post by: I Know You Like Sugar on May 24, 2009, 02:29:55 AM
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.

I'm still amazed Punk hasn't been fired. Every other slow news week he gets buried, the guy must have so much heat on him it's untrue! I for one as an internet wrestling fan am continually outraged.
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Post by: HTQ on May 24, 2009, 04:06:40 AM
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.
Meltzer is idly speculating but you're not?

I love how the people who bitch about the 'Punk is being buried' thing are the ones kicking up the biggest fuss over this. Most people accept it as part of the fickle business that is wrestling. Yet the ones who make the biggest noise are those who think they're too cool to care about someone they think is the latest internet fad.
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Post by: JPopStarKami on May 24, 2009, 05:04:54 AM
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.
Meltzer is idly speculating but you're not?

I love how the people who bitch about the 'Punk is being buried' thing are the ones kicking up the biggest fuss over this. Most people accept it as part of the fickle business that is wrestling. Yet the ones who make the biggest noise are those who think they're too cool to care about someone they think is the latest internet fad.

No, I'm not idly speculating. Have you seen Smackdown? They're continuing his feud with Umaga. Now, if Punk loses again to him that'll be more of a burial, but it doesn't seem like it will go that way, since they've been making him look like a threat to the championship in the past weeks.

As far as me making a big fuss, I'm just stating my opinion on what Meltzer said, that's all. I'm not trying to make a 'big fuss'.
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Post by: HTQ on May 24, 2009, 05:11:34 AM
No one actually said they think Punk is being buried. Meltzer said that it could be a reason, yes, but then said he disagreed with that. Who actually has said they think the finish was designed to bury Punk? Take him down a notch? Maybe.
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Post by: I Know You Like Sugar on May 24, 2009, 05:11:54 AM
Just because I don't buy into the "Punk buried" talk every time it comes up doesn't mean I "don't care" about Punk.

That's really the problem. It's assumed that you must be concerned for Punk's safety in the company if you like him. Which is, IMO, why the story comes up so often, because a lot of Punk's fans are. I don't doubt that some people in the company don't like him and he's occassionally being knocked down a peg. But it seems like the slightest suggestion of him not being booked strongly and it's in the Observer the next day as "PUNK IN THE DOGHOUSE!" There doesn't seem to be enough rationalising it, it's all or nothing, push or buried as it were, when it comes to Punk.

Let's face it, if he was in trouble and had heat as often as the story comes up the guy wouldn't be in the position he's in.
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Post by: HTQ on May 24, 2009, 05:17:25 AM
It's possible, and very likely from listening to what Meltzer said, that the reason stuff about Punk crops up so often is that he's someone who generates a strong reaction from everybody who meets him. From what everybody else has said about Punk, he's not someone who blends in and who people hardly notice and talk about.
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Post by: I Know You Like Sugar on May 24, 2009, 05:30:06 AM
It's possible, and very likely from listening to what Meltzer said, that the reason stuff about Punk crops up so often is that he's someone who generates a strong reaction from everybody who meets him. From what everybody else has said about Punk, he's not someone who blends in and who people hardly notice and talk about.

I can buy that. Punk does seem... self confident, shall we say.

I'm not saying Meltzer's lying about Punk and I'm not saying that it's not within reason for whoever his sources are to believe it to be true. But I just don't buy it this time.

It made no rational sense for Punk to win the first match against Umaga. It made no rational sense for Umaga to lose his first match in however many weeks. And it made no real sense for Punk to come out and cash in MITB. Yet because the show was in Chicago, it's suddenly equated as "Punk has heat for something he said in an interview and therefore he had to be taken down a notch."

People lose in their hometown all the time. It's generally accepted that Vince likes to do it for whatever reason. Why is to be half-expected with most of the roster, but a punishment when it happens to CM Punk? It just seems a little too much like piecing stuff together to make a story to me. I could easily be wrong, maybe because some people are so overly sensitive about Punk it's made me the opposite when it comes to these stories, but that's the feeling I got reading it.
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Post by: Jingus on May 24, 2009, 05:57:22 AM
Vince does like having people lose in their hometown, true.  However, it's a bit odd to have someone lose in their hometown by getting pinned clean in the first match. 

Especially in these circumstances; the whole point of the feud is that Punk keeps trying to cash in his MITB, and Umaga keeps stopping him.  He tried this every week for like a month straight.  The first night he didn't try to cash it in was... in his hometown?  It didn't make any storyline sense for him to suddenly stop trying this at the PPV when he was attempting it on every other occasion. On TV he'd been feuding with the world champ, and on PPV he goes to jobbing in the opener? 

Keep in mind that Punk is one of those guys whose hometown is made a much bigger deal than usual.  Of the top of your head, how many people can tell me where Batista, Triple H, Big Show, or Jericho are from?  But everyone knows that Punk is from Chicago, because he's one of those guys who gets his hometown made into an integral part of his character.  He's a well-known local celebrity there, was even the grand marshal for last year's Thanksgiving parade in that city, which is not an insignificant achievement.  So winning or losing in his hometown is a bigger deal than it is for most people. 

The funny thing is, I don't even like Punk.  I'd be personally happier if he was doing C-show jobber duty rather than being pushed.  But I can't deny that he's very over, and nobody should deny that the office is treating this very over wrestler very strangely in some ways. 
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Post by: JPopStarKami on May 24, 2009, 06:05:56 AM
Especially in these circumstances; the whole point of the feud is that Punk keeps trying to cash in his MITB, and Umaga keeps stopping him.  He tried this every week for like a month straight.  The first night he didn't try to cash it in was... in his hometown?  It didn't make any storyline sense for him to suddenly stop trying this at the PPV when he was attempting it on every other occasion. On TV he'd been feuding with the world champ, and on PPV he goes to jobbing in the opener? 

Because Umaga beat him earlier in the night, and plus Edge won his match fairly convincingly...it wouldn't have been smart for Punk to try it that night, Edge probably had enough gas in the tank to fend off a Punk cash in, if you want to look at it from a kayfabe point of view.

But otherwise, they just didn't want to pull the trigger on it yet, because they'd kind of have to if he came out, unless Umaga interfered yet again, and then it's just the same thing over again. You couldn't end the PPV with that.
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Post by: I Know You Like Sugar on May 24, 2009, 06:14:02 AM
Especially in these circumstances; the whole point of the feud is that Punk keeps trying to cash in his MITB, and Umaga keeps stopping him.  He tried this every week for like a month straight.  The first night he didn't try to cash it in was... in his hometown?  It didn't make any storyline sense for him to suddenly stop trying this at the PPV when he was attempting it on every other occasion. On TV he'd been feuding with the world champ, and on PPV he goes to jobbing in the opener?

To be fair, Grisham brought it up during the match that Punk probably wouldn't cash in if Umaga continued to do damage to him because he wouldn't be at 100%.

And even if storyline wise he should have cashed, they wouldn't have put him over Edge. So if he cashed in he'd have to lose, or they'd have to do the tease with Umaga. And if Punk losing in Chicago was bad, imagine the firestorm that would have created if they teased him winning the World Title and he didn't. So really, him losing to Umaga was the best way to write him out of cashing in.
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Post by: Next USC #55 on May 24, 2009, 06:16:30 AM
how many people can tell me where Batista, Triple H, Big Show, or Jericho are from? 
 

Washington DC, Greenwich CT, Tampa FL and either Manhassets NY or Winnipeg in Canada.
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Post by: Jingus on May 24, 2009, 08:41:07 AM
And are any of their hometowns made as big a deal of as Punk's is?  Notwithstanding Hunter's old Greenwich Snob gimmick?  That was my point.  For a few people, they make a much bigger deal out of their hometown.  Punk is one of those guys. 

Sure, it made sense for Punk to get destroyed so that he didn't cash in MITB.  (Well, it would've made a lot more sense to just not book this MITB angle leading up to a PPV in which he's jobbing in the opening match, but clearly long-term planning is not their strong suit these days.)  However, I still don't see why it made sense for him to get pinned clean in the middle of the ring and not get his heat back.  The Chicago crowd saw their hometown boy get decisively beaten, period, with nothing to cheer about.  You can't do that often, or you get reactions like the "Not this shit again!" heat that the crowd gives to latter-day burials of Rey in San Diego or JR in Oklahoma.  That sort of thing does not motivate your live crowds to come back next time.  Especially didn't help that of the two title matches at JD, one ended in a DQ and the other with the heel winning clean. 
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Post by: RedJed on May 24, 2009, 09:25:29 AM
The finish to Punk/Umaga didn't really bother me that much because it was an ultra-competitive match that I thought saw both guys look pretty damn good to me by the end of it......since they both worked hard and put over the effort of each other basically, I felt the finish didn't affect the long terms effects of anything.

That's ideally how most matches should be, when you think of it, and ultimately I think that is what the company hopes for as well, in terms of that a clean finish by a heel doesn't ALWAYS have to be a screwjob (and in most cases, sometimes needs to be clean TO get heels over and programs to continue) and when there are times that a heel wins clean, you don't want to damage the babyface in the process (especially one who is over and is getting pushed) so you protect him, in a sense, by making him look great in there against the heel and coming *just* that close to beating him.

Ultimately, that match on the ppv just makes me want to see the rematch that much more.