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Title: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 01, 2012, 02:51:36 PM
I created this in GTG solely because I can do this in a blog type format and on my own time without like, people expecting me to send one of these out all the time. Plus GTG is the closest thing we've got to a blog. If this all turns out good I'll move it and if not whatever. Some will be done in a liveblog format, some in a more analytical type of deal. This shit might get deep.

I plan to start tomorrow by watching the pilot. I don't remember that much of it.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 01, 2012, 02:53:08 PM
It's not a home, it's a RETIREMENT COMMUNITY
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on November 01, 2012, 03:35:38 PM
Spoiler on the ending:

Spoiler: show
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Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Next Big Comedy Star on November 01, 2012, 03:37:26 PM
just watch this

The Sopranos Ohs and Hos! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO4bsZGtDA4#ws)
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 01, 2012, 07:03:00 PM
Forget you, bloodsucker.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 01, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
just watch this

The Sopranos Ohs and Hos! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO4bsZGtDA4#ws)

I say oh in this fashion all the time.

PILOT

- The first time I watched this show, I knew it was legit 8 minutes in when Tony chases the fucker outside of the office building complex and run him over. I'LL GIVE YOU A FUCKIN BONE YOU PRICK, WHERE'S MY FUCKIN MONEY, then Christopher starts whining over his car and I can't stop laughing at that as well as IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY and so what, no fuckin ziti now? Endless quotables in this episode which I can't say about most pilots.

- Always hated Hesh. It's not so bad in this episode, but in later episodes that he's around for, I can't stand him. He may be the only somewhat major character in the show who has no redeeming qualities.

The first half of the episode is much better than the latter half. I like how Chris turns from soulless etherer of Czechs in this episode to being annoyed about a lack of recognition over it, to then in later episodes freaking out and going through the "oh fuck I really killed a guy and I'm haunted" stage. The lack of Tony having the cartoon character accent is a bit weird too. All in all, I realize why I didn't remember a whole lot in this episode.

There are a couple of these I'm not looking forward to rewatching but I don't think any are this season.

P.S HBO GO streams like shit for me when I'm using other sites instead of solely watching the program so liveblogging isn't a realistic format. That's pretty much dead in the water, I can do stream of consciousness and then post it later, but that's pretty much it :(
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 05, 2012, 04:03:11 PM
46 LONG

- It's great when the truck driver asks Chris and Filone to make sure he doesn't walk away unscathed, then they beat the shit out of him and don't bother with tying him up.

- Tony throwing Filone out after the terrible chemo-sabe joke was good. The visual of porkchops flying everywhere will not subside anytime soon.

- Eddie! I GOT FUCKIN JOHNNIE COCHRAN RIGHT HERE FOR YOU

- Tony's mom running over her friend was hilarious and so was fake Scorsese.

- Bodie holding up the truck driver with Filone was weird. This is a worlds colliding scenario here.

- And Tony beating up the bartender at the Bing MikeSC's girl style caps off a great episode.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Amy pats fan on November 05, 2012, 05:51:07 PM
I rewatched the entire Sopranos shortly after it ended.  I've probably seen every ep 3 times.  I don't think I'll be up for it again for a long time, too much other stuff on backlog or deserving of rewatch
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 08, 2012, 06:45:38 PM
DENIAL, ANGER, ACCEPTANCE

The Sopranos - Paulie and Sil vs the Hebrew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbc7Fie0BIc#)

- This storyline with the Jews is just weird. YOU'RE CREATING A GOLEM. Paulie beating the Jew guy over the head with the bell is the best thing yet. "FUCK THAT. THIS IS HOW I SAY NOTHIN. HOW'S THAT FOR NOTHIN."

- Tony supplying with the private party was pretty cool.

- His rant about Jackie's cancer and what subsequently followed about the painting was epic control-freak shit.

- Artie's my favorite not mobbed up character. I may take that shit back two or three times. Food fight's good.

- Chris begging for his life and subsequently Filone getting iced is real. Hijack, bye jack

Brendan Filone Wacked By Mikey Palmice - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDrYdIdTqo#)

Great show
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 08, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
I go back forth all the time between this and the Shield as the GOAT.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 09, 2012, 02:04:04 PM
- His rant about Jackie's cancer and what subsequently followed about the painting was epic control-freak shit.

- Artie's my favorite not mobbed up character. I may take that shit back two or three times.

What's the thing with the painting? I don't remember that at all.

I lol'd at the second line. You will definitely take that back once you see Adriana in her bra and panties.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 10, 2012, 03:42:37 AM
He kept going on about the painting in the waiting room being a psychological painting. He exploded after a while.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 10, 2012, 06:00:41 PM
MEADOWLANDS

- Tony's dream of seeing everyone in the doctor's office building was just weird, then to see it really happen later the first time I watched it was mindblowing.

- Chris with the neckbrace and all the goings on with him being paranoid are hilarious. Offering to buy Meadow a happy meal is the highlight. Then OH SHIT BRENDAN'S EYE GOT PUT OUT DURING HIS MURDER WTF

- When Tony staples the ticket to that fag Mikey that's that shit.

The Sopranos - Tony beats up Mikey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7w-Y6R0unI#)

LOL


 Then when he inadvertently scared that dude while holding the ax it is the shit too.

- Also hilarious to see AJ get the mafia secret revealed to him and then be mindblown the rest of the episode.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 11, 2012, 12:36:45 PM
COLLEGE

- "What do they teach you in India, how not to get diarrhea?"

- Nice to see Irina being a crazy bitch revealed in the midst of everything else that goes on here.

- Tony doing surveillance on this dude is amazing.

- This priest preying on Carmela's attraction to him in order to get great meals and watch movies all the time is pretty swag.

- The chicken game between Tony and the rat was pretty great. I love how, as with everyone else Tony kills, they show the bad side of the person before the murder. In this case, he's a drug dealing fuck.

Tony take revenge on Petrulio - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOG7SzBVD4Q#ws)

Great murder

This was one of my favorite episodes, but I never understood why people call this one the best. It still isn't mine, but I do now.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 11, 2012, 01:28:42 PM
Yeah this is considered one of the classics. Very good episode.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 11, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
He was a drug dealer? I thought he was a bad dude solely because of the fact that he was a rat.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 12, 2012, 04:38:42 AM
Yeah, remember he tried to get those white trash to kill Tony by threatening them with never selling them drugs again.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 12, 2012, 08:02:59 AM
Ahh okay, I didn't remember that but now that you mention it the scene is clear in my head.

David Chase was awesome at maximizing value out of seemingly innocuous lines/scenes to reveal deep and important character traits. Furio beating the shit out of some kid for playing with fireworks, Silvio beating the shit out of the stripper, Carmela telling Tony she'll donate the money to Columbia despite the Shrink telling her to leave him, etc.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 12, 2012, 11:04:11 AM
PAX SOPRANA

- This cop with the wrinkled ass suit cracks me up. Get some dry cleaning dawg

- "With all the conversation around here I might as well be a fuckin' dildo"

- Tony's dream with Dr. Melfi where "What Time Is It?" plays is hilarious. The I love you bomb later was just....weird

- Tony, the Jew, and JOHNNY SACK running game on Junior was pretty good.

Rusty Irish Wacked By Mikey Palmice & Joseph Marino - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZm2yfyN5g#)

lol

- I always love in mob movies/shows the scenes where it's made clear to someone that they didn't see nothin'.

- The bit with the waiter and his camera scheme was nice too. This episode's just okay I suppose.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: NoCalMike on November 12, 2012, 12:38:17 PM
We should do this project for HBO's OZ!
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 12, 2012, 05:57:29 PM
DOWN NECK

First AJ-centered story, one of my favorites.

- LOL at wine stealing and then the kid falling down and puking everywhere

- These flashbacks to Tony's childhood are amazing. My favorite parts are younger Livia, young Junior and Johnny fucking up that dude, Tony stowing away in his dad's trunk, and black kids fuckin' with little Tony.

- Livia always talking shit about the old people at the nursing home RETIREMENT COMMUNITY gets me rollin

- Tony calling Janice a wannabe-dothead is p. funny

- Tony saying his dad was in jail and people covered by saying he was in Montana being a cowboy made me lose it to the point of uncontrollable laughter.

- "They are not going anywhere! I'd rather smother them with a pillow than take them to Nevada!" That's some crazy shit.

Here are most of the flashback scenes.

The Sopranos - Flashback (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb5XmHdvqUk#)
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 14, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
THE LEGEND OF TENNESSEE MOLTISANTI

This is one of my favorites.

- Chris going on his freaked out over being a murder episodes is a TRIP. It's kinda sad that when Tony tries to address possible mental issues, Chris just laughs it off as something that is beneath him when those things are pretty important to Tony's current state.

- Chris's screenplay is one of the wackest things I've ever seen produced. "I thought I was daed but I manuged to get the drip on him." What kind of English is this. It's also pretty enlightening how bad he wants to be famous, have a name, and be part of the mix. At least he gets the payoff at the end and the moment where he takes all the papers is cool. Also, "my advice? Put that thing down awhile. We go get our joints copped, the words will come blowin' out your ass." And, "you know who had an arc? Noah."

The Sopranos - Chris at the bakery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyqYHT6nRaA#)

- "Geno" from the bakery gets recast as Vito later, but my favorite part of that whole scene was Chris going apeshit and shooting the white boy in the foot. JUST LIKE IMPERIOLI GETS SHOT IN GOODFELLAS

- Love how Tony and Carmela hide the guns, money and shit at his mom's crib. Oddly dramatic scene.

- The comedian at the retirement community is BEYOND terrible.

Best one so far.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 14, 2012, 03:05:48 PM
BOCA

- "You blow that whistle one more time I'm gonna stick it right up your fuckin' ass"

- This shit with the girl wrist-slitting is crazy, and how it ties in with the coach leaving. Paulie saying his name was Clarence while dropping off the TV had me rollin', but I remember being pretty surprised at the coach fuckin' wrist-slitter girl. Some straight out Sandusky shit before its time.

- Pussy eating storyline is hilarious. So many good quotes I'll post a video. "I don't go down enough," replied to in the fashion of "that's not what I heard" is a major highlight.

The Sopranos - Junior likes sushi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7IQ3xlUac#)

- "Uncle Jun's into muff. Oh, did I say muff, I meant rough."

- Then Artie says "fuck the world" and I just lose it for the whole rest of the episode. Him as moral compass is a good turn of events.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 14, 2012, 05:59:43 PM
A HIT IS A HIT

Before I watch this one again, I seem to remember hating it. Let's see how that plays out.

- Clipping the Colombian and taking all his dough is some cold shit.

- This storyline with Massive Genius and the music making and Hesh is just horrific. I have very little good to say about it. The best part was Chris saying "whose welfare check to you have to cash to get a burger around here?" And that's pretty much it.

- When Chris smashes guitar over dude's back, I liked that part, but it was so poorly acted when the actor just turned his back to Chris like a poor pro wrestler. Wrestlers do better guitar shots than this.

- The way the white dudes try to exploit Tony for storytelling purposes is really disgusting.

- Giving Cooz the box with nothing in it was a great gag.

I think it's a bad episode, even one of the worst, but there are a few good moments. Very few.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 14, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Four of these today was p. fun.

NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING

- Forgot that this opens at the whorehouse. WTF some doctor comes in during Pussy's back episode wearing part of a French maid outfit. Weirdo shit there.

- Pussy getting arrested on a legit charge was something I never expected at this stage. Then Tony gets told he's a rat and just refuses to believe it for all that time. It's pretty obvious to the viewer Pussy was a rat all along considering how he was arrested (or not arrested at all). First he runs out the room which, you know, makes total sense if you're a rat, you wouldn't want the feds to let anything slip. Then he runs when he supposedly has a fucked up back. That doesn't make any sense. But of course, I'd never believe something like that about my best friend, so it makes sense Tony wouldn't either.

- Livia's hysterics w/r/t her relationship with Junior are hilarious. She is just out THERE.

- All of these scenes about Pussy from now until end of 2nd season are deep. The one here, where Paulie offers to do the deed, isn't even the best one in the episode. Can't believe Paulie's car horn is The Godfather theme. When Paulie tells him to take off his clothes is one of the most tense scenes in the whole series.

- Vin getting busted during the whorehouse raid and then diving off the bridge changes the show in so many different ways. Imagine how it would have been if he didn't end himself. Obviously him saying Tony was a prick until the end during one of the bordello scenes was a giveaway that he was going to die.

- Can't understand why Tony's mom would do him wrong like this. Then she tries to smooth it over by saying she doesn't like that kind of talk. Wah bullshit.

- Now it's super obvious this dumb motherfucker Jimmy was a rat, trying to ask leading questions and all that stupid shit. Glad this retard rat fuck gets clipped later. Too bad everyone else doesn't realize Pussy is a rat too until a bit later. Plus Pussy disappears after the gym incident which was, you know...fishy.

- This stupid fag Mikey, nearly all of his bits annoy me. I'm glad this guy only had one season cause he could have been Cifaretto levels of annoying, although in a much different way. Btw his wife is fucking stupid.

Videos:

Big Pussy Is Suspected To Be A Rat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LA5l3J_Rik#)

The Sopranos -Vin Makazian's Suicide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEb37pXPP-0#)

This one has more stuff going on in it than the last two combined. One of the best episodes.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 15, 2012, 04:31:35 AM
Loved that Vin flashed his badged just to speed up his suicide.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 15, 2012, 11:35:45 AM
ISABELLA

- Find out that Pussy disappears which, may have been better to be viewed rather than otherwise leaning about it out of Tony's mouth.

- Tony took too many damn pills

- Junior puking over the Tony thing was kinda embarrassing. Then the clown who set up the deed gets iced in a hilarious fashion after cracking a joke. Wow.

- I knew all along that this hot chick was a complete hallucination. In a re-watch, knowing that, the scenes are pretty weird.

- When he shifts from depressed to fighting for his life during the assassination attempt is a pretty interesting change in the series. At least the one guy misses before Tony crashes into the parked cars.

- Livia and Junior's visit to Tony's crib was mad awkward.

- AJ chaperoned to the dance by Paulie and Silvio was the funniest part of this episode.

Video:

The Sopranos Episode 12 Two Men Attempt to Kill Tony Soprano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdvjMbCawkk#ws)

At least there were no distracting storylines in this one. Real good.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 15, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
I DREAM OF JEANNIE CUSAMANO

- The Jimmy getting clipped part is great. If you're a rat, why would you go into the room to fuck a broad, after one of the broads leaves the room? It's typically dumb. MOTHER OF GOD and there go his brains

- Livia showing up while AJ was jerking off is some amazing sick shit. Then that shit where she calls Meadow some crazy Aunt bitch whatever word.

- Tony freaking out on Melfi by flipping the table and shit is messed up. Can't believe she ever let him go back after that one. Like a victim.

- Jimmy with rat in the mouth lol

- Greengrove being wired was something I remember as a major revelation. Even surprised me now as I had forgot about this scene.

- Artie finding out about the fire scheme at Vesuvio from Tony's mom is cold on her part, but whoa shit later when he ran up on Tony with a rifle I thought he was dead man walking in the next season. Good thing it didn't turn out that way.

- Chris phoning in a bomb scare to Jimmy's funeral is ice cold.

- "Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this" LOL

- damn iced that fool on his own boat and then donned a captain's hat before putting him in the ocean

- "You never mentioned any of your associates by name except for that one fellow Booty" hahahahahaaha

- Artie saying he has murderous rage, not that he just hates one man, but all men cracks me up.

- Paulie of all people seeing a shrink is just as funny too.

- Mikey's death, where he tells his wife to go take a Midol as his last words to her, is one of most oddly filling things I've seen on TV to this day. Paulie freaking out over poison ivy made it even better.

- Indictments going out and Junior being one of them made a top episode even BETTER.

- Despite my saying it was pretty swag to prey on women's sexual attractions to get free food I love when Carmela calls Father Phil out on that cause it's really pretty disgusting. I like how that fool walks toward the door and then has to turn around in shame and go back for the movie.

- Tony's mom's convenient stroke and then her appearing to have a smile was pretty disgusting. I mean that's open to interpretation but her face clearly changes shape.

- It's great how, much like everyone else, Artie won't turn Tony away either. Also Paulie having calamine lotion all over his shit was great.

Theoretically if this was a one season show it would have been perfect even as that. I had a different favorite episode heading in but this may even trump that. I dunno yet. I'll see about that in a while. Wow I wrote a lot of stuff.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Jimmy Altieri Is Whacked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q4SZJPthwo#ws)

Artie in anger wants to kill Tony - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6IFQomlzfA#ws)

Sopranos - Mikey Palmice gets clipped (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKD9zDnrS9E#)
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 16, 2012, 09:28:18 AM
GUY WALKS INTO A PSYCHIATRIST'S OFFICE...

- I love how Chris assigned some Asian dude to take his stockbroker's exam. The "It Was A Very Good Year" montage that follows is excellent, with Chris diving into the coke, Paulie screwing the broad on the pool table...

- Pussy coming back and expecting to be trusted immediately is just....I don't know how exactly to describe how I feel about that. The Puerto Rico claim was ridiculous, even though it checked out.

- Then Janice, the absolute worse gets introduced, ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. She is an unbelievable, horrible, disgusting leech.

- "Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself." How prescient.

- There's a long period without anything important happening, then Tony's CD skips, he has a panic attack, and then everything picks back up. I like that he goes on to beg Melfi to return and help treat him. I like that he tried to find a different guy and called himself Mr. Spears but obviously that wasn't gonna work out.

Video:

The Sopranos - Philly Parisi Gets Whacked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeuJeBGXdos#ws)

Not a great episode, glad it picks up from here.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 19, 2012, 07:45:41 AM
DO NOT RESUSCITATE

- This storyline with the black preacher is a pretty good one. I was a little surprised to find out that the whole thing was part of a scam.

- Bobby was a great addition to the show, love that there's no end to the weight jokes and all that other shit.

- Love how Pussy immediately starts off lying to his FBI contact.

- lol Junior in the judge's office on oxygen. No surprise the Jewish judge got mad after his "sounds like Nazi Germany" comment.

- "I think it's time for you to start seriously considering salads" hahahahahaha

- The protest busting part is really messed up, but Baccala beating on some guy and running out of breath was p. funny.

- Tony having to drive Junior to the hospital after carrying him like a child was a nice bit.

This was more the set-up variety type episode, it's not too great, but I'm really looking forward to watching the next one when it picks up again.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 19, 2012, 05:27:40 PM
TOODLE-FUCKING-OO

- Having an empty house to party in during high school would have been the shit.

- YES THE DEBUT OF THE RAGING ASSHOLE RICHIE APRILE ohhhhh shitttttt BASHES BEANSIE OVER THE HEAD WITH A FUCKIN HOT COFFEE POT AND CHAIR THAT'S HARDCORE. "Look kid, I shouldn't have to explain myself. I'm from the old-school. You wanna raise your hand, you give her your last name. Then it's none of my fuckin' business. Until then, keep your hands in your pockets. We understand each other?"

- Melfi seeing Tony with all his boys was a hilarious scenario. lol'd at toodle-oo, everyone hanging on Tony's approval was amazing, then Paulie asking Silvio about his first blowjob and how long it took the guy to cum was a GOAT Sopranos moment. When he repeats these jokes I lose it.

- Richie and Janice is an all-time two bad people couple.

- I like how the Richie-Tony relationship immediately starts off horribly. Everything's better that way.

- That mooch bitch hypocrite gets all pissed when she sees the house is a wreck. Fuck her and the sudden want for punishment. Tony throwing his cereal bowl was great character play, such good acting that I believe Gandolfini may be a rage-head.

- Oh no this stupid asshole from the old folks home doing his comedy act. Glad he gets cut off cause it's unbearable.

- Oh no RICHIE RUNS OVER BEANSIE WHAT AN ASSHOLE HOW COULD HE

- The Meadow cooking scene is mad disgusting + "No Scrubs" playing in the background just...wow. Tony and Carmela are massively soft on punishment, which, well...makes total sense considering their situation.

- That dream of Melfi's where Tony passes out and gets in an accident, when I first saw this show, I thought it was legit until the moment where Tony was splayed out on the hood of his SUV. That was a nearly deep moment.

- "Well, you remember one thing this you'd better hear! You want a talk of this old school bullshit about the rules?! Well here's a rule you might remember. I'm the motherfuckin' fuckin' one who calls the shots! And you better pay me the respect, that I gave your brother. Or we're gonna have a problem....a bad one." DAMN HE WENT HAM ON RICHIE

Videos:

Richie Aprile Attacks Beansie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccXjveaW40w#)

The Sopranos - Tony's Awkward Run In With Dr Melfi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C75PyL4iqFM#ws)

Amazing episode, best introduction for any one character...ever, maybe in any show.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Next Big Comedy Star on November 19, 2012, 05:44:39 PM

- Melfi seeing Tony with all his boys was a hilarious scenario. lol'd at toodle-oo, everyone hanging on Tony's approval was amazing, then Paulie asking Silvio about his first blowjob and how long it took the guy to cum was a GOAT Sopranos moment. When he repeats these jokes I lose it.

 

Paulie zinging someone and immediately repeating it to Tony is my favorite running gag. It should've happened at least four times each season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpd6PXNP4w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpd6PXNP4w#)
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 20, 2012, 11:15:47 AM
COMMENDATORI

- I love how Paulie breaks the DVD player with his shoe.

- Fucked up how the carjacking victims dog runs away from them rather than back to them and wtf at "fucking niggers" what a typically white reaction to a carjacking.

- Ha at Pussy nearly getting caught with his FBI agent buddy at a PARTY STORE. AH AND THEN HE KILLS THE ELVIS LOOKIN DUDE WITH A HAMMER IN HIS OWN HOUSE

- Also ha at how many times "Con te partirĂ²" plays during this episode. A trip to Italia was something I thought would happen in this show, but never in the second season. It was great timing. Anyway, the Don being senile and naming roadways was a good reversal of what I had expected. This Annalisa has amazing tits btw

- Chris's descension into junkie fuck mode this season is equally frustrating and interesting.

- Damn the way all those mafiosos (incl. Furio) wrecked that kid was hardcore.

Unfortunately the episode goes WAY downhill from here, Paulie turning out to hate the Neapolitan lifestyle is one of the only highlights from a strict entertainment perspective. Still a good episode but not one of my favorites.

Video:

The Sopranos - Tony In Italy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQ6fGd5QR8#ws)
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 20, 2012, 11:16:26 AM

- Melfi seeing Tony with all his boys was a hilarious scenario. lol'd at toodle-oo, everyone hanging on Tony's approval was amazing, then Paulie asking Silvio about his first blowjob and how long it took the guy to cum was a GOAT Sopranos moment. When he repeats these jokes I lose it.

 

Paulie zinging someone and immediately repeating it to Tony is my favorite running gag. It should've happened at least four times each season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpd6PXNP4w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpd6PXNP4w#)

Yep, mine too and I think that video's the best one of them all.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 20, 2012, 07:02:51 PM
BIG GIRLS DON'T CRY

-The beginning of this episode, at a rub and tug let me know I'm watching a great one about um, 20 seconds after the intro. Just knew that fast the first time. Shoving a paint brush up the owner's nose was hilarious.

- Paulie's response to baby quail stuffed with fennel sausage was a really good gay joke (which is quite rare).

- Damn Tony threw the phone over Janice's bullshit at AJ straight past Carmela's face that's ice cold/really crazy. Then he doesn't even say sorry to AJ which is really fucked up.

- All these scenes with Richie and Tony have an enormous amount of tension and awkwardness that I can't quite put into words. Richie may be Tony's best foil of all.

- Furio's introduction to American life at the party is amazing. My favorite part is when Junior and Baccala show up only for Carmela to straight out slam the fucking door right in their faces.

- This thing where Tony tries to talk to Hesh about his problems as if Hesh is a medical professional is just ridiculous. Last guy I'd want to talk to about ANYTHING.

- Chick who plays Irina is obscenely hot, but the best thing about this scene is when Tony runs over to the Russian dude and grabs his balls. Tony needs some damn pills.

- Chris's acting job is really deep, I don't understand if his crying was because he longed to be out of the mod game and an actor instead, or if Adriana's explanation is the truth of the matter, but I'm not sure. However, I do understand why he decides to take the route he chose later in the episode.

- I love how cool everyone is to Pussy, give him no info, freeze him out, don't trust him. Of course it's the right thing to do considering that he runs straight to his buddy and rats everything out.

- Furio in the rub and tug is WHOA SHIT BEATIN AND SHOOTIN EVERYONE IN HIS PATH THAT'S CRAZY WRECKIN EM JUST LIKE HE DID THAT KID IN NAPLES

- LOL at Chris punching that dude in the face at the acting class.

- Tony having that shit-eating grin on his face during his appointment this episode was...chilling I suppose.

- Chris trashing his screenplay and all associated materials was...sad, but I get it. It seems as if he's getting rid of that part of his life because he prefers to be more unemotional than he was when he put his first real try at acting.

Videos:

The Sopranos Episode 18 Tony Grabs Russian Dude By the Balls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUhBk2-Rj-w#ws)

The Sopranos - Furio Giunta Fury (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyOKb7hbl2M#ws)

The Sopranos - S02E05 - Big Girls Don't Cry, Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHVGiDFFqc0#)

This episode is the best character study in the whole series yet and does a great job of advancing everyone forward, it also has the best ending in the series to this point.  I don't often see it on the best lists, but maybe it should be.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 21, 2012, 06:53:24 PM
THE HAPPY WANDERER

- Robert Patrick as a degenerate gambler who gets stepped on repeatedly is not only interesting casting but a weird role change for him and something I'm not used to seeing from him.

- Junior telling stories about Tony's dad is always entertaining. Finding out Tony has a retarded uncle was...interesting.

- I particularly enjoy Chris's matchbook scam on the seafood bought for the Big Game. Nifty!

- lol and the Jew motel makes its return for this. I like it.

- When this fucker shows up and begs into the card game all that went through my head the first time I watched this was "please Richie show up and go off the rails"

- When Tony tells the Matt guy to sweep under Silvio, his later reaction is fucking unbelievable.

"Leave the fuckin' cheese there! All right? I love fuckin' cheese at my feet! I stick motherfuckin' provolone in my socks at night, so they smell like your sister's crotch in the morning! All right? So leave the fuckin' cocksuckin' cheese WHERE IT IS!"

- Oh man when Richie shows up and this dude is in for 45k to Tony you just know some shit is gonna go down. Then it does and the whole game gets ruined how dramatic. Can't believe this fool thought he wouldn't have to pay Tony all that scrilla. Then it bleeds over into Tony's personal life which is exactly why Tony didn't want dude in the game in the first place. Of course Tony has to fuck this guy up because he's that level of degenerate piece of shit. I feel bad for David but he did this shit to himself.

- Taking his kid's car to give to Tony was really hardcore, Tony presenting the car to Meadow was totally fucked up. In the end Meadow profits off the mayhem in spite of her initial recalcitrance because she gets to perform a solo at the musical thing which she needed for college. And so it goes.

Videos:

Silvio Dante - I Love F_cking Cheese at My Feet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdhTg_82XjI#)

The Sopranos - Richie Disrupts Poker Game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BHfJOgm80#ws)

This episode shows the viewer how ruthless Tony has to be and what effect real people like him with those practices have on other people's lives. I get that the guy would find another way to gamble, but still. It's a good episode, not one of the best, and different in that it shows the other side of a mafioso lifestyle (meaning those who get caught up in it).
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 22, 2012, 12:18:43 AM
Next up is the best episode!
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 22, 2012, 12:10:55 PM

- Junior telling stories about Tony's dad is always entertaining. Finding out Tony has a retarded uncle

Why don't you go and fuck yourself! He was strong as a fucking bull! And handsome. Like George Raft.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 22, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
Next up is the best episode!

D-Girl? Nah. It's great, and I really like the juxtaposition of Christopher and Pussy at the end. Christopher making the decision to finally commit, and Pussy telling stories about how great Tony is while simultaneously realizing that he's fucking him over and ruining his own life is pretty touching. Seeing him cry is heart wrenching, but then seeing the blankness of the FBI agent listening in is actually kind of funny. Anyway, a lot of the movie stuff didn't connect with me. There are plenty of better episodes throughout the series imo.

Something else that will come to light is how EVERYONE who cooperates with the FBI gets fucked, and also how all of the FBI agents are callous and treat them like evidence for a case rather than people. It's sickening to see them constantly have no disregard for their well-being. In the first episode of the third season, the way they casually wonder what happened to Pussy and his Agent saying "he's probably compost" is disconcerting in how little attachment they have. I remember seeing the last episode of the second season and expecting fallout in that episode from the perspective of the FBI in some way. But dedicating ten seconds of conversation before simply taking his picture off the board is ice cold.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 22, 2012, 03:03:31 PM
Something else that will come to light is how EVERYONE who cooperates with the FBI gets fucked, and also how all of the FBI agents are callous and treat them like evidence for a case rather than people. It's sickening to see them constantly have no disregard for their well-being. In the first episode of the third season, the way they casually wonder what happened to Pussy and his Agent saying "he's probably compost" is disconcerting in how little attachment they have. I remember seeing the last episode of the second season and expecting fallout in that episode from the perspective of the FBI in some way. But dedicating ten seconds of conversation before simply taking his picture off the board is ice cold.

You have to remember that they consider informants to be worthless criminal pieces of shit who are only useful insofar as they give them info on other criminal pieces of shit. And, I mean, to a certain degree, they're right.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 22, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
I'm about to watch D-Girl but I don't think it's the best (although I think it is top ten, I will have to list later). The biggest problem I have with it is that they picked up an already perfectly shelved storyline (Chris and the movie thing).

Pussy is an asset to them, not a person. That's how law enforcement treats all individuals, not just criminals. Nobody is a person.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 22, 2012, 03:08:32 PM
The "wow it's so rough how the FBI treats their informants" angle is another way that this show fucks with your sympathies as a viewer. It openly tempts you to take Pussy's side, despite the fact that he's an objectively terrible human being.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 22, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
D-GIRL

- When Chris walks over there to put that fucker who bumped into Amy in his place, pure swag.

- lol at Tony pointing out he had to pick up AJ from camp for bed wetting two years previous. His existentialist bend in this episode is interesting.

- It's symbolic that Pussy's house is next to a cemetery. Good scene placement that each time he speaks during this meeting with Skip, you can see the graves in the background and know that he is marching towards a fate of death himself.

- Favreau's self-parody act in this episode is really nice.

- One thing that agitates (I'm not sure if that's the right word) me throughout the course of this show is how wiseguys are exploited for their entertainment value. His story about the trans was interesting in that from his point of view the important part of the story was the wiseguy's retaliation to finding out the chick was a guy rather than from a regular perspective where the victim would be the one who had acid poured all over themself.

- Pussy and his kid's interactions with Tony at the batting cage were intriguing. "Nigga be a leader not a follower" was a good choice for his line during that whole part.

- AJ telling Livia about the car accident and her repeating of the car accident she read about in the paper led to an interesting set of words that I found to be 100% accurate. Odd that I agree with the rantings of a loon but I guess that's how it turns out. Old people be wise.

- Jon getting all mad and scared when Chris was play wrestling with him was interesting considering his whole form of interactions with Christopher were part of his long con  in using him for his own benefit. The boredom with Chris's regular life dripped off him during the whole dinner scene with Ade, Tony, and Carmela. The first time I saw it I knew it (his movie hopes) would all end in tears for Chris.

- As already mentioned earlier in this topic, the callousness of the FBI agents towards their informants is enlightening, as well as callous and realistic, but in the end it is no different than the wiseguys's attitudes towards those who they make a habit of extorting and sucking into their web, so I don't feel very sympathetic for them, in this case Pussy, when they meet their inevitable end.

- Chris catching on to the thieving of his story about the trans was heavy. At that moment it was a realization on his part that other businesses, including that which he wanted to be a part of, were no less criminal than the one he wanted to leave.

- If Pussy's son hadn't have been there to stop the fight, he would have killed Angie no doubt. That was one of the best scenes this season.

- I couldn't believe Pussy took the same route of a Jimmy Altieri and went straight into his house asking fishy ass questions. I mean, Tony had blind faith in this dude until the end and he just shit all over him like that under the guise of self-preservation. His extolling the virtues of Tony to AJ was touching, realizing how fucked he was after doing so, even more so than that.

- It's nice that Chris made his decision to commit to Tony without any bullshit dialogue, that was good writing as well as directing. The scene would have been worse with anything else in it.

Videos:

The Sopranos - AJ "absurdity of life" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgc9Gq4xzVs#)

The Sopranos: 2x07 D-Girl - Livia speaks to AJ about life and death (HD 1080p) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgBbGvZYQg#ws)

Jon Favreau on The Sopranos - Christopher's stories (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1a3IKqxWY4#ws)

The Sopranos - Big Pussy Has a Breakdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brzf_haf0Dw#ws)

It's one of the best in a different sense than the other episodes, the others I would rate at the top have a more of an "oh shit this happened" type slant, while this is of the deeper, more thought provoking variety. Right now I still think Pine Barrens is the best one, that obviously could change.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 22, 2012, 05:53:45 PM
"I'm the kid's sponsor for Christ sake"
"Who the fuck is sponsoring you motherfucker?"

I love these recaps but seriously even the episodes you think aren't great I could re-watch until the end of time. Sopranos 1-3 is heaven.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 23, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
The "wow it's so rough how the FBI treats their informants" angle is another way that this show fucks with your sympathies as a viewer. It openly tempts you to take Pussy's side, despite the fact that he's an objectively terrible human being.

Well David Chase talked about this, and the hypocrisy of the viewer wanting Tony to die. We cheered him on for years, through every murder and stripper he fucked on the side, not to mention how many times he double crossed people that were supposed to be his friends. But then at the end people wanted him to die? Didn't make sense, he had a good point. But then we do cheer for these people throughout the series, because while they're thugs and murderers, we still get to see them as people in their day to day lives. We accept the rules they live by, and judge them according to THAT standard.

You have to remember that they consider informants to be worthless criminal pieces of shit who are only useful insofar as they give them info on other criminal pieces of shit. And, I mean, to a certain degree, they're right.

To a certain degree, sure. But the thing is they are still regular people at the end of the day who think and feel the same way as everyone else. Tony still gets upset when he thinks about the ducks leaving, he cares for his daughter to go to a good school and he doesn't want his son to end up a loser. Junior befriends that Asian kid at the Mental ward in a genuine "Big brother" kinda way, Bobby Bacala genuinely cares for his wife and hell Pussy genuinely cares for his dog. I mean yeah, they live in a different world and they've hardened themselves to live by those rules, but outside of that world they seem to try to be good people. They take advantage of people that live in the same world as them, and even step over that line from time to time. But for the most part they're pretty much like any middle class family from Jersey. That's the cool thing about the Kevin Finnerty episode, that could have really been Tony if he wanted it. I'm not excusing their criminality at all, merely saying that it's not so black and white and that they aren't necessarily defined by it. C'mon man, criticize a guy like Paulie all you want for who he is, but if you had the opportunity to be this guy's friend irl without any risk of getting caught up in mafia shit who would say no? The guy looks like he'd be jokes and super fun.

Re: The FBI, 909 is right. They look at people as a means to an end goal, not necessarily as criminal pos. They are amoral in their own way, they live in a world where certain rules and procedures have to be abided by to gain favour and 'win' (remember that FBI agent showing his own racist asshole nature by complaining about a "Goddamn Samoan" getting promotion over him, he doesn't think much differently from these guys). They don't give a shit about anything but the end goal, and in a way they are just as unscrupulous in getting there. Fat Italian Agent.doesn't give a shit about what Pussy does or who he hurts, it's all about making arrests and getting gold stars and getting a promotion. His beef with Pussy killing Bevilacqua had nothing to do with the murder itself, just that it could have jeopardized his case. That's p. cold. They never genuinely seem to care about making the world a better place, merely that they make arrests so that they can further their careers. They aren't that different in mentality from a lot of members in the mafia, it's just that obviously the consequences of their actions aren't as bad.

Except for Adrianna, which was the straw that broke the camel's back for me wrt the FBI. Say what you would about the other guys getting fucked like Eugene and Pussy, and I'd say you can justify it because they were made guys who chose that lifestyle and are thugs. But Adrianna was innocent in the whole thing. They manipulated her and put her in a bad spot so that she would be forced to either go to jail or work with them, and as a result of working with them she was murdered. They never gave a shit about her along the way and never bothered to help her. Essentially, they caused her to die by forcing her hand. She was never a criminal like the rest so I don't think it can be justified.

It's interesting contrasting this with guys like McNulty and Cedric Daniels from the Wire, and especially Bunny Colvin. They always wanted to pull kids from the street and generally clean shit up. McNulty tried to help Bodie get out of it, he was always understanding of the kids on the street unlike that dipshit with a crewcut and goatee who always wanted to bust skulls. Daniels wanted to help that kid with the busted eye among others and Bunny even adopted Weebey's kid. Totally different mentality.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on November 23, 2012, 01:45:08 PM
Bullshit Adriana was innocent.  Adriana chose that lifestyle as much as any of those mafia guys.  She was the niece of Jackie & Richie, she knew what was going on, and still was fine dating Christopher, and later becoming his fiancee.  She had no problem living that life & accepting that blood money.  Was it sad to see what happened to her?  Yeah.  But let's not kid ourselves here.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 23, 2012, 02:14:12 PM
Yep, she wasn't innocent. The way Silvio took her out in the end didn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 23, 2012, 03:27:45 PM
What crime did she commit? She loved Christopher, but she actually hated the fact that he was in the mafia. She wasn't into him for his money or lifestyle, she tried multiple times to get him out of it. She would have been happy living with him in a shack without anyone else if she could. She tolerated what he did more than loved it. You guys are being a bit callous here.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 24, 2012, 02:42:53 AM
She was guilty of lying to herself, of being willfully blind to Christopher's true character, of convincing herself that he loved her as much as she loved him and that love could be the catalyst that would make him change his life. In a way, I think, the Adrianna/Christopher relationship is, like the Tony/Melfi relationship, meant to sort of allegorize the relationship Chase was trying to develop between the show and its audience. To some extent, I think this show is far less morally ambiguous than you've been reading it as. Yes, the characters are all full of depth and shade and complexity, but I think that only serves to make the awful, morally reprehensible actions they commit that much more awful and morally reprehensible. If Tony Soprano was just a one note thug who was incapable of self-reflection it would be one thing, but he's shown to be a highly intelligent human being who is capable, at times, of recognizing the evil in what he does. And yet, he just keeps on doing evil things. The show is really built around building the kind of relationship between audience and character that you describe here

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To a certain degree, sure. But the thing is they are still regular people at the end of the day who think and feel the same way as everyone else. Tony still gets upset when he thinks about the ducks leaving, he cares for his daughter to go to a good school and he doesn't want his son to end up a loser. Junior befriends that Asian kid at the Mental ward in a genuine "Big brother" kinda way, Bobby Bacala genuinely cares for his wife and hell Pussy genuinely cares for his dog. I mean yeah, they live in a different world and they've hardened themselves to live by those rules, but outside of that world they seem to try to be good people. They take advantage of people that live in the same world as them, and even step over that line from time to time. But for the most part they're pretty much like any middle class family from Jersey. That's the cool thing about the Kevin Finnerty episode, that could have really been Tony if he wanted it. I'm not excusing their criminality at all, merely saying that it's not so black and white and that they aren't necessarily defined by it. C'mon man, criticize a guy like Paulie all you want for who he is, but if you had the opportunity to be this guy's friend irl without any risk of getting caught up in mafia shit who would say no? The guy looks like he'd be jokes and super fun.

and then forcing to question the fact that you're relating to characters who are, at the end of the day, unrepentant sociopaths. The show, somewhat cruelly, plays on one's natural predilection to look for the good in all people, to believe in the natural growth of character and the possibility of change. These characters are constantly being put into situations that seem as though they could lead to life-changing moral epiphanies, and they nearly always choose to stay on the path they're on. If the Soprano family really is meant to be "pretty much like any middle class family," then the show must rank among the bleakest visions of American life to have ever been produced.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 24, 2012, 02:54:29 AM
Like, I think the show's most basic point is that falling into the trap of "complexity" and "ambiguity," of saying "WELL you know it's not all black and white, there's good and bad in everybody! I mean, Tony loves his kids! And the ducks! And, boy, Paulie just seems like such a cool guy, and the FBI is filled with repugnant assholes, and..." is a lot easier than actually passing hard moral judgements.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 24, 2012, 06:44:48 AM
If the Soprano family really is meant to be "pretty much like any middle class family," then the show must rank among the bleakest visions of American life to have ever been produced.

Didn't you say it's the best look at post millenial suburban America of any TV show? I'm not talking about the mafia part, but Tony's life with his family (let's say he is in the garbage industry) is pretty spot on of what middle America at that time looked like.

Also, I never looked at it as being morally ambiguous. I don't think most do. Obviously being a murderous fuck is much worse than caring for ducks is a positive thing. But we accept that beforehand as well as the standards they live by, and in turn are entertained by their depth and complexity because we want to know who these people are. THAT was my point. I'm not saying that 'hey, these guys are complex, maybe they're not bad people'. They are bad people. It's not ambiguous, they're scum. However, they aren't defined by it due to the way the show is set up, as we see them 24/7 and that depth to their character makes for riveting television within the rules of that world they live in. The reason why I guess the FBI stuff doesn't sit well with most is because they're supposed to be 'the good guys'. As we hold the Crime Family to certain (lower) standards, we hold the FBI to higher ones.

We watch the show with blinders. I mean look at his liveblog and think about your own reaction while watching Richie smash the dude with coffee pot. It's p. badass, but awful. But you don't think about how awful it is when you watch it. That dude got his business set up because of Richie, and Richie came back to collect. Irl I am horrified, but watching as a viewer I totally can connect with Richie and understand why he did it. If you watch this show and morally pass judgment on them every time they do something bad, lol I don't know how anyone could do that for seven straight seasons and not have it be extremely tiresome.

But I don't think it's a hard moral judgment anyway, I think it's merely a case of accepting it for the sake of understanding who these people are and rooting for them in their own world. I hate to make a pro wrestling analogy, but I'm sure most people on this board cheer for heels more than they do for faces. It's the same mindset here. We are attracted to these people, whether we want to admit it or not, BECAUSE of their criminality, not in spite of it. It doesn't mean we think it's okay, it's just the allure of sin as a spectator. I've made the moral judgment BEFORE watching it, accepted it and am now looking at them on their own terms. There's a difference between that and justifying their behaviour after the fact to say they aren't bad people, which I am NOT doing. I think that's the way most people view it, so I think your point about coming up with justifications to say they're not bad people is off-base. Unless people view it that way (I can't speak for everyone, but most people that like mafia/organized crime shows and movies are fucking stupid so who knows), but I don't and in my first few sentences about Chase pointing out the viewer's hypocrisy I think that's clear.

James Gandolfini himself said that he turned on his character after he killed Christopher. Some might find that funny but you know what? I felt the same way when watching it. Through all the murders, through all the cheating and manipulation, I didn't think much of it because that's who he is and that's what he does. But when he killed his own nephew who's a made guy, regardless of all his fuckups, it still seemed wrong to me. Then the way he gambled and did drugs and all that stuff and didn't give a shit about it, somehow he became a shining piece of shit even when standing next to all the other pieces of shit. In THAT world, he crossed the line. Ralphie being Ralphie was fine, but when he killed the stripper, he crossed the line because no matter how badly these guys treat women, they don't do THAT. I think you're underestimating the detachment and altered perception with which people watch the show.

Also, all that stuff you said about Adrianna still doesn't work for me, unless being guilty of loving someone naively is justification for murder.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 25, 2012, 01:26:01 AM
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We watch the show with blinders. I mean look at his liveblog and think about your own reaction while watching Richie smash the dude with coffee pot. It's p. badass, but awful. But you don't think about how awful it is when you watch it. That dude got his business set up because of Richie, and Richie came back to collect. Irl I am horrified, but watching as a viewer I totally can connect with Richie and understand why he did it. If you watch this show and morally pass judgment on them every time they do something bad, lol I don't know how anyone could do that for seven straight seasons and not have it be extremely tiresome.

But I don't think it's a hard moral judgment anyway, I think it's merely a case of accepting it for the sake of understanding who these people are and rooting for them in their own world. I hate to make a pro wrestling analogy, but I'm sure most people on this board cheer for heels more than they do for faces. It's the same mindset here. We are attracted to these people, whether we want to admit it or not, BECAUSE of their criminality, not in spite of it. It doesn't mean we think it's okay, it's just the allure of sin as a spectator.

It's exactly this impulse that I think the show is trying to force you as a viewer to question and think about critically, to ask why we, as a culture, have such a sick fascination with criminality and violence.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 25, 2012, 01:41:35 AM
That's fair, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that people indulge those feelings and use the show as a sort of escapism. Like I said, if I looked at them the same way I would irl I could never watch more than a couple of episodes because I would be so disgusted.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on November 25, 2012, 01:45:57 AM
Re:the fascination; people just like seeing perverse shit when they're not the ones suffering the consequences. Why? I don't know, but it's not like American culture is unique in that respect. Violent films are popular in much of the world, as are bad guys. There are a bunch of theories (histories of war, embedded in our evolutionary memory, etc) , but I don't know if you could pinpoint it or figure it out.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Jingus on November 25, 2012, 11:02:35 AM
Good read, guys. 

But:
D-GIRL
Not one mention of the Alicia Witt sex scene?  For shame. 

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Right now I still think Pine Barrens is the best one, that obviously could change.
If forced to choose right now, that'd probably mine too.  Dunno how a rewatch would make me feel about it. 

But when he killed his own nephew who's a made guy, regardless of all his fuckups, it still seemed wrong to me. Then the way he gambled and did drugs and all that stuff and didn't give a shit about it, somehow he became a shining piece of shit even when standing next to all the other pieces of shit. In THAT world, he crossed the line.
The second part actually bothered me worse than the murder.  I totally understand why Tony killed Christopher; it's a disgusting and morally unjustifiable act, but from Tony's coldly pragmatic point of view it made sense.  Tony had been covering for Chrissy's fuckups for years, and this was not only the straw that broke the camel's back, but an opportunity to commit the perfect murder which Tony could not be blamed for.  But then going on a vacation with Chrissy's girlfriend afterwards, that just felt like Tony was dancing on the poor kid's grave. 

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Also, all that stuff you said about Adrianna still doesn't work for me, unless being guilty of loving someone naively is justification for murder.
I wouldn't say she "deserved" being dragged out into the woods and murdered, of course not.  But above all, this is a very practical show, a fucked-up world where luck and cleverness are much more important to the main characters than morality.  Adrianna put herself directly into harm's way, repeatedly.  It's as if she walked through a dangerous part of town, alone at midnight, while waving around a stack of hundred-dollar bills; she wouldn't deserve to get mugged, but she'd be an idiot to blithely assume that nothing bad would happen. 
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 25, 2012, 05:23:23 PM
FULL LEATHER JACKET

- What is it with white people and "Baker Street"? Tony's line about people at Cal getting Nobel Prizes for packing fudge brought out a cackle.

- Can't believe that dude is taking a shit while Chris and those other two mo's are in the middle of a robbery. wtf DNA. On that subject, I can't remember the last time I dropped a deuce without sitting over a toilet.

- The wheelchair ramp gag in this episode is just, well I can't remember exactly what happens but Paulie and Richie's interaction here is mad tense. LMAO at the van full of illegals all getting out to attempt the wheelchair installation. Like ten guys came out of that van.

- Carmela putting the squeeze to Jeannie Cusamano for her to have a letter written for Meadow to get into Georgetown was the type of thing I always wanted mob wives to do in past mob movies. It's good to see them get involved in this kind of way. Jeannie and her sister being played by the same chick is funny. Trashing the Berkeley letter so that Meadow was unable to reply was stone cold. At least Carmela felt guilty in the middle of the night, grabbed that shit out the trash and tried to clean it up.

- Chris and Adrianna patched up so damn fast. Couldn't even extend the relationship drama out a little bit.

- This jacket thing, I don't really understand the meaning of it other than Richie trying to be a nice guy; it makes complete sense that Richie would go off the reservation over Tony not liking it and giving it away.

- Richie's digs against Chris while talking to these two douchebags just make me hate him even more. But harkening back to the earlier conversation, Chris bashing the security guard in the head doesn't bother me at all. So yeah, definitely have to watch the show with blinders on or I'd hate myself for watching it.

- DAMN CARMELA PUTTING THE MOB STYLE SQUEEZE ON THE CUSAMANO SISTER. SQUEEZIN THE COOZ

- These two douchebags trying to get in with Tony are ridiculous bottom feeder types, the way they try to talk to him in the bathroom is creepy as fuck. And who the fuck hangs out with another dude while in their underwear? Furio's dialogue with the other Italian guy is amazing. "These two suck each others cocks" bwhahahahahahahaha

- Richie finding out about Tony giving the jacket to the Polak dude, man he looks like he's gonna rage straight through the ceiling. I mean whoaaaaa shit.

- Team Douchebag attacking Chris was wrong. I'm glad he dusted the one impatient mope, it's better when Pussy and Tony get the other one later. Running to Richie after that for approval was the stupidest fuckin' thing I ever heard. Tony being despondent over the shooting was kinda out of place and not needed.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Chris gets shot by a couple of his workers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mVv7Krp5Lg#)

This was the only video worth posting really, but it was a great episode in a season with quite a few of them. It gets the blood rage going.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 25, 2012, 06:52:30 PM
FROM WHERE TO ETERNITY

- This Chris in a coma shit is straight out wrong. When Chris' mom shows up and says "I want the motherfucker in agony" it's great how Silvio deadpans "we'll do the best we can."

- The conversation about Tony's infidelity is really awkward at this stage of the show. The vasectomy thing too. When he says "I had her tested for AIDS, what do you think I am," what is that shit supposed to say?

- When Chris got code blue'd in the ICU I thought for sure they were setting up for his death, even though within the context of the show it wouldn't have made any sense. Right now I'm seriously reconsidering my opinion on what the GOAT show is cause this might be it.

- Hesh asking these questions about Chris and his condition annoyed the shit out of me.

- And then oh man we're set on the path of the best Paulie storyline in the whole show. The hell thing is creepy as it gets. Then Chris says that shit about three o'clock and Paulie questioning him about it was so awkward. Paulie saying "don't they know this kid likes his chemistry set too much" brought a good laugh in an episode with very little of that to this point.

- Way Tony justifies his thought process so that he warps his way into thinking he wouldn't go to hell is really sick. Amazing rant though: "Excuse me, let me tell you something... When America opened up the floodgates and let all us Italians in, what do you think they were doing it for? 'Cause they were trying to save us from poverty? No, they did it because they needed us. They needed us to build their cities and dig their subways, and to make them richer. The Carnegies and The Rockerfellers: they needed worker bees and there we were. But some of us didn't want to swarm around their hive and lose who we were. We wanted to stay Italian and preserve the things that meant something to us: honor and family and loyalty... and some of us wanted a piece of the action. Now we weren't educated like the Americans, but we had the BALLS to take what we wanted! And those other folks, those other... the, the JP Morgans, they were crooks and killers too, but that was the business right? The American Way. "

- Paulie with the clock at 3 AM and freaking out, having to get out of bed, oh man this shit's hilarious. His broad giving her own anecdote about 3 o'clock was ridiculously stupid. Then he can't take it anymore and goes to wake up a gunshot victim to harass him about it, and tell him that he went to purgatory and not hell. lol

- Melfi's therapy sessions are like er, a priest confessing their whole daily actions to their bishop. I don't know how else to describe it but the whole experience can be weird at times.

- Skip encouraging Pussy to get closer to Tony, essentially egging on his redemption (to a small extent) later in this episode, is something I always found neat.

- Tony freaking out on AJ after the plate drop incident during he and Carmela's vasectomy conversation is so wrong. Tries to make it all better with a six pack of coke and a pizza but that doesn't do shit really. Trying to buy your family's love with material shit or food doesn't cut it. Sucks that he's always called away from an attempt to do some sort of a good deed by work.

- Oh man and then right after the show cuts to Paulie having a nightmare, saying in his sleep that they're dragging him to hell. I couldn't imagine any other actor playing this part, he does an amazing job. Paulie at the psychic is so strange. I hate those con artist pieces of shit, but that poison ivy line was a whoa what the fuck. Paulie calling it satanic black magic sick shit before throwing the chair against the wall was absolutely hilarious, I mean damn.

- Haha this mope gives away the living douchebag's life to Pussy for 20 bucks. The whole time I was thinking, Tony don't do this with this rat, but it was plainly obvious that Pussy wasn't happy about what happened to Chris and wanted to redeem himself to some extent, not to mention get better info to rat with. I love watching this dude get iced. "Cause that sugarless motherfucker, it's the last fucking drink you're ever gonna have!" Great line. He's already dead after the first shot but both of them empty their frustrations out on the poor sack of shit.

- Paulie taking out his frustrations on the priest over the spirits thing was good too. Haha "you left me unprotected"

- Btw I'm glad nothing came of the Carmela wanting a baby one night thing.

Videos:

Paulie walnuts "gaultieri" :The 3 O'clock thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-163GCCSuMM#)

The Sopranos- Matthew Bevilaqua Whacked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yna8bgTectg#)

The Sopranos - "I should've had immunity to all of this sh*t" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZuVwKM6kXo#)

Great episode, but in an objective sense, the Paulie storyline doesn't fit in with what this show is supposed to be at all. I still love it. The buildup to Pussy getting whacked is the best, period. There's so much shit going on here that I can't sum it all up, but I don't need to either.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 26, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
BUST OUT

- Tony being caught killing the douchebag by a witness is not good. Mothafuckas be snitchin. Richie going to Tony to complain, then for Tony to use Junior's line about his mom against him was a good callback.

- Tony ransacking this guy's store because he can't pay his debt is awesome, not in a good way but at the same time funny. The airline ticket idea was terrible from the beginning and even the poor prick David knew that.

- AJ jumping in the pool to avoid dealing with the spider in the pool heating system was funny too.

- The way the FBI expects people to get mob bosses on tape talking about murders, well that's fucking retarded. Don't they know hardened criminals don't talk about that shit? Yeah, maybe your regular Joe who the fuck, but not a guy like Tony.

- Oh man the fuckin handyman storyline. In the last episode Tony was being implored to not cheat, but Carmela feels the need to do it herself. That makes total sense to be honest.

- David trying to find various ways to kill himself is just fucked as it gets. Speaking of fucked, when Janice is getting exactly that from Richie with a gun to her head, that shit's fucked up. LOL Livia comes down the stairs and asks Janice if she's smoking marijuana. Amazing.

- Funny thing about my earlier comment regarding Tony, he and Pussy actually DO talk about it later, but Pussy isn't wearing a wire or anything like that. The way Paulie describes going on the lam to Furio is fucking amazing. "Anywhere there are no Jews or Italians."

- Tony getting fucked off by AJ and being unable to spend time with him when he tried is pretty sad. This might sound a little gay or whatever but I make sure not to do that to my dad in part because I know he's not gonna live forever, so when you get the chance to do something nice with your parents, if you have a nice relationship and all that, it's good to do it. Tony bailing out on his son's swim meet though left AJ so dejected, I felt pretty terrible about it. That was an all-time type sadness moment for this show. Then the fight between he and Carmela later is messed up too. What a depressing episode. And then damn when Meadow bails out on Tony while he's pouring his soul out is even WORSE

- When Tony tells David the end game for him is filing bankruptcy, that's some ice cold super ruthless shit.

- lol bashing out wallpaper in the Soprano household to "Wheel in the Sky" got a big ass laugh out of me, and it's 12 AM, so that's not the best thing in the world. First time I watched this, I knew she was gonna get close to getting down with Victor, that was totally inevitable.

- Richie bringing up killing Tony to Junior once again is just unbelievable as fuck. I'm glad Junior then goes on to out Janice as a horrible person.

- Ah shit "Con te partirĂ²" again w/r/t Carmela and Victor. The re-use of music in this show is p. neat. When Victor talks to David, and David tells him about Tony tearing his shit up, Victor realizes immediately that Carmela Soprano ain't one to fuck (with) and he's like I ain't dealin' with this shit at all. Victor is one of the only people who gets involved with the Sopranos in any tangible way and makes it out unscathed. I laughed pretty hard at Carmela banging out the lunch to Shania Twain. Like bwhahahahaha, but I remember the first time I watched this, I was like wow she's really feeling this guy's widower swag.

- When the witnesses wife notices this guy is witnessing against Tony Soprano it's great how this shit self-corrects. These people are so intimidated despite never talking to Tony Soprano that the witness immediately retracts his claim.

- Sad when Tony doesn't realize that he really hurt Beansie's feelings by trying to give him the 50k.

- Then the last moment sums up the theme of this episode. Tony and AJ capsize a small boat deliberately, and that sums up exactly what Tony does, deliberately or not, to everyone in his path. The little guy better get the fuck out the way for the big fish. David, Victor, the witness to the douchebag murder, and these two sad ass fucks in the boat that gets tipped over all suffer the same fate.

No videos cause I dunno if anything happened worth that treatment, but it was a good episode. Robert Patrick is excellent in his role as a degenerate gambler now being busted out. Like, good enough that I could believe that this happened to him in real life.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 26, 2012, 09:25:11 PM
The Sopranos - David Scatino Warns Of Jail At The Wrong Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLibuybOC1w#)

top moment
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 27, 2012, 10:46:50 AM
HOUSE ARREST

- LMAO at all the old trash being dumped out in the corner store parking lot, but one thing I didn't understand, where the fuck are all these greens coming from? Nobody throws away so many heads of lettuce. Arab guy calling the trashmen motherfuckers while they drive away is absolutely amazing. "You are speaking shit to me."

- Melfi hitting the bottle before Tony's appointment started was a good reveal. Completely forgot about that. I don't really like this Elliot guy, I don't know if you're supposed to like him or not, but he's a total dickbag.

- This Catherine lady is quite a bit smothering, but old people need that kind of companionship. Telling Bobby that Catherine's bunions were a hindrance is mad cold.

- Seeing a panic attack through Tony's eyes was interesting. But damn the doctor telling Tony to lose weight after he blew up at her was fucked up.

- This Melfi scene with her son was interesting and reminded me of the hat scene in season 1 where Tony walked over to verbally force the guy to remove his hat in that restaurant. Only problem is, she tries to physically force the lady to put out her cigarette by throwing her towel in the bitch's face, putting her on a worse level than when Tony did something similar.

- Junior with the garbage disposal was sad shit. The dispute over cocaine being sold on the garbage routes, on Tony's side with that one. Then Junior's week gets even worse when Baccala eats all the fuckin' pasta. And then he reveals to Catherine he's on house arrest and that just sucks. A swag killer if I ever heard one before.

- Tony trying to insulate himself from conflict was interesting, I don't know which part of it I liked the best. Probably the part when he plows the blonde. It's messed up that he tries to insulate himself and picked up a rash.

- lol at Richie's salmon colored pants. Is this 1985 or what the fuck? Maybe that was the last time this dude lived in the outside world on the regular, but wow, what a wardrobe. Amazing how angry he can make Tony with just a few words.

- Tony's return to Satriale's is a good moment, he couldn't help but be back in the mix. Car crash outside was funny, as was the conversation with the FBI agents.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Garbage truck scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg-G1E1UwAY#ws)

The Sopranos Episode 24 Tony Soprano Confronts Richie Aprile and Suffers a Panic Attack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG-3_3Oo-fg#ws)

I noticed I've been writing more for these than the season 1 episodes. I guess these are more layered or some shit. Anyway, I don't really like this episode. It's really slow, and while both Tony and Junior experience the same cooped-up situation for different reasons, it's a bit boring.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 27, 2012, 12:23:53 PM
Probably the most borderline pornographic sex scene I've seen in any show I've watched. Hate it and skip through it every time.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on November 27, 2012, 12:45:22 PM
You didn't specifically refer to anything but I assume you are talking about the Melfi rape scene?
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 27, 2012, 12:55:01 PM
He just reviewed House Arrest, where Tony fucks that secretary and the way it is shot (not to mention it happening out of nowhere) makes it unbearable to me.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 27, 2012, 01:02:04 PM
Yeah, same. I was joking about it being cool, I didn't even watch it. I switched to another tab cause it was more than a little awkward sitting through that.

THE WHITE KNIGHT IN SATIN ARMOR

- The possibility/likelihood of Richie's son being gay was a nice introduction to this episode, because I knew from that point the whole episode would be extremely fucked up. Tony not wanting Richie around his kids cause of the Beansie thing, well, that isn't fucked up at all. Neither would I. Jackie Jr. gets introduced and now we're subjected to his generally horrible acting job.

- Irina's moody bitch attitude is so funny, but Tony's is even more funny. Telling Irina she deserves better than this shit, and her reply of she'll kill herself takes shit to the next level later on.

- Richie's play to get rid of Tony was a massive mistake, I don't know why he was so quick to trust Junior, or any of the other captains to not tell on him immediately.

- Pussy now deciding to get all hardcore on Tony and trying to put him in jail is a dickheaded move. The only thing I don't understand is why now? It doesn't make sense within the scope of the show. He and Tony wasted that douchebag in the soda shack, why in the hell would he make that leap now, when Tony trusts him and hasn't done anything wrong to him?

- Carmela hitting depression mode over finding Tony's clothes in the dryer and Janice's speech at the engagement party sucks. Then straight after realizing Irina DID try to kill herself it was like DAMN GIRL. And Svetlana gets introduced here, I always liked her character. And related to that earlier part of this bullet-note, Janice and Carmela's interaction at the bridal shop is pretty interesting. Carmela is obviously right that any mob marraige would head down the road hers has.

- The way these FBI guys were talking about Pussy is pretty cold, but they had no problem eating Tony's food, so, how fucking weird.

- As soon as Junior finds out nobody will go in with Richie on a hit with Tony, nice to see him immediately tuck tail. Guy is smart. Jackie Jr. chiming in was just fucking stupid. What a toolbox.

- Pussy farming for information from Christopher pisses me off. lol Chris stealing Pokemon cards, trying to get Pussy involved, and then that RAT MOTHERFUCKER calls Skip and tells him about the Pokemon heist.

- lol at Irina calling Tony a fucking bastard when he's there to try to help her. Bwhahaha at Svetlana linking psychiatry and the gulag for political rehabilitation.

- Loved the part when Janice told Richie that Tony didn't want him around his kids, and Richie launched his beer into the fireplace.

- MAN THIS RAT FUCKER FOLLOWING CHRIS AND RECORDING IT ON HIS WHATEVER THE FUCK. Then damn he runs over some poor sad sack on his bike and piledrives another vehicle.

- And then whoa shit we go into some more crazy shit when Irina calls Tony's house. Carmela launches into that completely justified tirade and wow.

- lol at Junior being so high and mighty over telling Tony that Richie was gunning for him. I don't understand how this could be a revelation to Tony. Nice that he parlays it into further money from Tony, that's some OG stuff. Tony not even needing time to think on killing him was ruthless.

- Richie raging on Janice over the Richie Jr. bullshit regarding him being a gay was messed up. AND THEN WHOA SHIT HE SAYS PUT MY DINNER ON THE TABLE BEFORE PUNCHING JANICE THAT'S SOME OLD SCHOOL 1950'S MAN SHIT. THEN THIS DUDE SAYS WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT AND ARE YOU GONNA CRY NOW. JANICE WALKS AWAY GETS A GUN AND BLOWS THIS MOTHERFUCKER INTO OBLIVION WOW WHAT A FUCKIN MOMENT NEVER SAW THAT SHIT COMIN FIRST TIME I SAW THIS SHOW. MAYBE THE BEST TV DEATH OF ALL TIME. CRAZY BITCH SENT THAT FOOL TO HIS GRAVE

- It's extremely obvious that Pussy was going to get killed from this point, laid up in the bed after his car accident and being told he wouldn't be allowed to help the FBI out.

- Seeing Richie iced laying on the floor was some awesome shit. Lol Chris and Furio being the only two to know exactly what happened to him is amazing. Carmela calling Janice's place only to find Tony really was there, even more interesting to see how little she trusted him. Hahaha cutting up Richie and Chris says "It's going to be a while before I eat anything from Satriale's." Ha, and a a GOAT type scene gets even better when Livia rolls her way down the stairs in that chair and starts talking to Tony. That's fucked up how she smiles at Tony's story about Richie not coming home that night, then calls Tony cruel and laughs at home falling down. How fucked up.

- I wish Janice had stayed in Seattle after going back there. "We buried him. On a hill. Overlooking a little river. With pine cones all around." hahahahahaha and then again with Carmela. "Richie's gone." "What do you mean gone?" "Gone." "Where?" "Don't make me make you an accessory after the fact" Lastly, Carmela brings up an Italy trip that we never get to see her go on.

Video:

Janice kills Richie Aprile - The Sopranos HD 720p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-miQ9WmP4#ws)

And so goes Tony's greatest foe, without him getting to have a hand in it. Phil was a sick fuck but these Gandolfini and Proval had way better chemistry on screen. All their scenes were really uncomfortable.

For some reason I can't find anything else but this one video. Anyhow, it's probably the most eventful episode to this point and I'd call it the best so far. I think it holds that title until like tomorrow when I watch the next one.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 27, 2012, 01:05:17 PM
Yeah, same. I was joking about it being cool, I didn't even watch it. I switched to another tab cause it was more than a little awkward sitting through that.
Glad I'm not the only one. Least I know it's coming now so I can skip it.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 27, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
FUNHOUSE

- Haha, Tony having to deal with his mom once again. Amazing. "SHE WAS ABUSIVE TO THE STAAAAAAAAAFFFF." Major fuck-up giving his mom those airline tickets. Who makes good decisions under that kind of pressure anyway?

- And we continue with the laughs as Tony eats at an Indian restaurant and they play Indian music, which for some reason makes me laugh. Then he goes to Vesuvio and eats there, what a bad mixture you're certain to get sick off that shit. Calling card schemes are a pretty much dead deal now, one good thing about the proliferation of cell phones.

- Tony's suit game with Carmela was p. cute, bought affection with gifts but that's some kind of game most people should run right there. lol at "it's fuckin' alive"

- And then we have "the dream." Everyone knows which dream I'm talking about. Had no idea this was a dream the first time I saw it, took a little bit to figure that out. I realized there was no way they'd be down in Asbury Park on the boardwalk, that was too unusual. Tony self-immolating was strange as it gets. Whoa Tony's gut basically explodes when he wakes up, what an unexpected turn of events. "It's the chicken vindaloo!" What is it with the Coke though, I don't get that.

- HOW DARE PUSSY DO TONY LIKE THAT ON THE CALLING CARD SCHEME. Actually, totally expected it. Back to the dream, and Silvio in the Pacino outfit from 3 with the "our true enemy has yet to reveal himself" cracked me up. Tony shooting Paulie during the card game did not. Finding out Paulie sends out typed reports on his family at Christmas time, according to Tony's dream, is so....weird. and wtf is with the constant creaking? Then we get even weirder with Furio handing Tony a roll of toilet paper. Oh man Tony is extremely pissed at Artie over eating at his place and thinking that's the cause for his illness. Artie looking for vindication was messed up, but Tony being so fucked up from food poisoning that Artie and Carmela had to carry him was...fucked up.

- Whoa shit Livia busted at the airport with the tickets what a brutal idea.

- And back to the dream we go as Tony is on the toilet. In the dream his dick sticking up in his pants like that is more than a bit unsettling. This "therapy session" was SO WEIRD. lol at Gilligan's Island theme song. I found it weird how his subconscious pushed the Pussy rat situation to the forefront of Tony's brain, but he was in denial about this from the beginning.

- Back to real life, Tony showing up at Pussy's house on a whim was a pretty good idea. Should have done this from the beginning. Pussy letting his guard down while Tony's taking a shit was a big mistake. Perfect alibi to go searching, which Tony does, and then he finds the shit to confirm what we knew all along.  And then he has his last dream, which confirms Meadow going to Columbia, which oddly actually happens.

- This scene is so wrong, yet necessary. I don't feel bad at all for Pussy to be honest. Sad that his last words have to be lies. However, he does tell him about the calling cards and Webistics. The Davey bustout too. First watch through the series, I thought this would extend out for a few more years. Tony asking if the acupuncturist was real, well, I wondered the same shit but I guess you never really find out. And fuck they shoot him while he asks to sit down, and Paulie takes his jewelry. That's some heavy hitter shit. One thing I was thinking during this episode was that I wish I had a friend with a boat. Maybe cold-hearted but whatever.

- Ah shit Livia tells them she's in airport security over the tickets and that's bad news of course. FBI agents are at his house already, and they find the fuckin' tickets in his truck. Wow shit imagine your dad being dragged out of the house in cuffs while your friends watched. Tony tripping out over the plane ticket charge was unusual for him, he's never like that. Then we go straight to therapy. Melfi steps up to the plate and knows something's up with him, Tony can't take it while acting like a total child, and away he goes.

- Christopher finding out he's getting made, Davey appearing and saying he's going to work on a ranch, and Junior getting told to leave before Carmela kills him are great highlights from the graduation ceremony.

- The montage to end this season is even better than the one that started it.

Videos:

The Sopranos Episode 26 Funhouse Tony Soprano Dream Sequences Montage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8hUcqtRNWs#ws)

Sopranos - Pussy's demise (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlJCE_3rHVw#ws)

FBI arrested Tony - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvKlZnQYlQY#ws)

Sopranos - Series 2 finale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-4aUoKRcQQ#ws)

Well, as a season finale, I can see how people would be disappointed with that to some extent. Half of it was Tony playing with his head in a world that doesn't exist, and the episode previous offered a lot of closure. But for me, it's irrelevant that it's a season finale because I'm plowing straight through it. In the scope of the whole show, already knowing what comes up later, it's easily a top ten episode.

I like this season better than the first because I feel like Chase cut out a lot of filler from the first go-round, but one problem with it is that at the end the audience is able to suffer through not knowing where it's about to head. In the first season, the indictments were out, and you knew, or at least thought Junior was headed for trial. Here, it's pushed so far to the backburner that you could nearly forget about how important it is. You also knew Pussy booked it. Now he's dead. Chris wanted made and he wasn't. Now you know he's gonna be. Melfi was gone, now she's not. Heading into season 3, unless I'm missing something, the only marked directions this show are heading that we knew about beforehand, firstly, was Tony's charge for the airline tickets. His own lawyer did a good enough job minimizing it that you don't feel something will happen to him at all. Past that we don't have shit. The FBI lost their key witness, so any angle of dropping more shit on Tony is gone. These two years were about him maneuvering into full control, which he has now done.

I seem to liking the third season the best although there was no real threat to Tony's life, who knows if I'll feel the same. Probably. Ralph was such an asshole.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 28, 2012, 05:37:33 PM
MR. RUGGERIO'S NEIGHBORHOOD

- I remember loving this episode. When they call Pussy "compost," yeah, that's pretty fucked up. Hilarious that they thought Tony killed Richie. Couldn't be more clueless.

- It's hard for me to give lines for each sequence here, cause it's all about the same shit. The entry by the FBI into the Sopranos home is one of the better sequences in TV history. Finding out that they ran the Polish maid's husband's name by anti-terrorism was completely fucked and serves a great purpose; making me hate the FBI. Going into somebody's house like this is wrong to be quite honest.

- Haha at Tony singing along to "Dirty Work." The music selection in this episode is outstanding. Paulie's line about wet shoelaces is the absolute truth, some shit I think about whenever I go in a public restroom and make sure to wash my hands just like him. Learned something from this show. What an explanation too, while they're eating fuckin' lunch bwhahahahahahaha. Guy who killed Philly being at the table with Patsy is awkward.

- Perv verbally wanking over Adriana while she's in that outfit is quite interesting. That outfit is quite wow. In the part right after we see AJ's evolution into degenerate smoker of cigarettes. This suicidal chick, Meadow's roomate, is a qt by the way.

- The scene with the two Poles in interesting, as is the cliche of 'back in my country I was big shot and now in America I drive taxi cab'

- Now it's D-Day. Tennis instructor is obviously a lesbian. ABORT MISSION. Water-heater burst. My God all those pictures ruined, if that happened with my mom's stuff she'd explode.

- Patsy in the backyard with a gun pointed at Tony was some wild shit. Dude needs to put down the alcohol. Fortunately he does nothing and takes a leak in the pool instead.

- Real D-Day begins. Harris obviously finds himself quite important to think Tony giving him the finger while driving by was a big deal. Funny that the maid nearly blew the mission by running away from conversation with her husband. lol at Caitlin freaking out while telling a story about the bodybuilder on the subway. It's fucked up when Tony makes Patsy admit his grief over Tony ordering his brother whacked is behind him, they both know Tony killed him, yet Patsy's family has benefited so much from him being aligned with Tony that Patsy is resigned to his fate with Tony.

- What a dull job having to monitor these conversations in the basement would be. Feel bad for the engineer guy trying to explain his credentials while Tony and Carmela argue.

For some reason I can't spot any of the FBI in Tony's house videos, so it's a no-goer on that front this time. I see how someone could find that episode painfully dull, but not me.  It's interesting in that all it really is a look at what the Soprano family does every Tuesday, going through their normally boring daily activities. The thing is, their daily activities aren't that dull in the scope of a television show, because you find out that Adriana dresses like a whore to tennis lessons where she and Carmela are instructed by a dyke, Meadow is rooming with a really strange girl, that AJ loves smoking cigs and tries out for the football team, and that Paulie talks about weird shit when the wiseguys are about to have lunch. Fun show.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 28, 2012, 07:33:31 PM
PROSHAI, LIVUSHKA

- The dump truck bomb surprised the shit out of me, good thing I wasn't fully paying attention. But the retaliation in sanitation war thing made me kinda think Tony was badly hurt on the floor with all that blood around him the first time I saw this episode.

- Amazing the reversal effect before this Noah scene. I hated Noah from the beginning but it had nothing to do with his race, he seemed like a total dickbag. Tony calling him a moolie was WILD. Noah was daddy's worst nightmare times two to Tony anyway, not only did he think he was a moolie, but he had the Jew factor as well. Shit like that scares parents, nice to see the show touching this ground and addressing it. Him going full-blown after seeing Uncle Ben's face was hilarious to be honest.

- CGI Livia is wrong, I guess they had to write her out somehow. That being said, it's so obvious and horrible looking. Wonder where this show would have went had Marchand not died. Hard to watch this part.

- The clips from The Public Enemy were interesting this episode (will try not to mention them again), but wow at Tony saying to Meadow, "maybe if I say it in Swahili."

- Then, er...Tony gets the news his moms kicked the can. Not surprising that his reaction seemed to be one initially of relief. Also, not good to leave a kid alone in a house after his grandmother dies. Funny how his crew comes over and watches the X-Games, Paulie Walnuts isn't exactly the guy I'd expect to be into skateboarding. The false sympathies are quite interesting. Carmela's parents obviously didn't like her, and it's interesting to see them walk in during the middle of Tony raging about Janice being selfish and not wanting to come to the funeral. lol at that case being "colder than her tit," but Janice's son being homeless was something I kinda suspected to be completely honest.

- Ah shit RALPH CIFARETTO MAKES HIS DEBUT. Accompanied by Janice and her hysterics! Good thing Tony took Ralphie and Albert to the pool for their dispute and not the basement. Knew immediately that Ralphie was gonna be a fuckin' psycho.

- Whatta Godfather callback at the funeral home. Of course Janice would seize on the chance to make this about herself. So much facepalming.

- Tony expressing his relief and gladness at his mom's death at his appointment with Melfi, and asking if this made him a bad son, while expressing what kind of people are bad sons, is fairly typical of people's emotions at this period in time, when society has become so materialistic and parents are viewed as a drain on yourselves rather than family which is fun to be around. Lots of people think it but are shit scared to say it, I'm glad I don't feel that way about mine. Then he calls his mom a cunt. Whoa.

- Finding out Buffalo Ray was an FBI informant really surprised me, but then I recall him being caught with Vin at the brothel in season 1. He was so minor all along, but I didn't expect it. It's also interesting that he isn't a reluctant rat like Pussy, he's full blown and a LET'S DO IT type.

- bwhahahaha at Janice digging for gold, money, or whatever the fuck in the basement of Livia's house. Tony finding out his mom kept so much stuff of his was a good development.

- Everyone's funeral preparations, Silvio mad about missing the Jets game, Furio/Adriana/Chris doing lots of drugs are just a lot too much. Councilman gets introduced here, and we have the reappearance of the preacher. Junior's progression towards being obsessively worried about his own death and illnesses, begins here I believe. "Chinks and their housewives" is another wow comment from the Soprano family.

- Oh man Ralphie's first asshole moment comes as that Joe Zachary guy gets beat half to fucking death in front of his own home.

- Janice/Svetlana spat begins now. I like this one. Everyone else but Janice wanting to respect Livia's wishes is, well, pretty disgusting on Janice's part anyway.

- Carmela gets absolutely bombed this night. wtf Pussy in the mirror, oh god this Janice part. This may be my moment of hating her the most. Cringes abound. Who in the hell was the random guy that walked halfway down the stairs? I mean, I get that it was supposed to be a ghost and all that, but who was it? The lady Livia ran over early into the show has something nice to say, but that's about it. Janice is such a bitch, that's all I can think to say about this, other than that Chris' super high speech was outstanding. Artie about to blow his top was bad news, good thing Carmela interrupted and let loose with the truth about this whole deal before he opened his mouth. Loved Hugh's speech cause I would have a hard time not doing some shit like that myself.

- End of Public Enemy tears Tony up for the first time during all this and that's it.

Videos:

Tony Soprano and Meadow's boyfriend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rynqbJ53DBE#)

The Sopranos: 3x02 Proshai, Livushka - Livia's Funeral Afterparty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjmRWgY9qjg#ws)

The CGI effect Livia was so horrible, yet it doesn't bother me all that much. They had to figure out some way to write her off. I don't really like the last 15 minutes of this episode, because funerals aren't really my thing, and I don't deal well with real death, which this reminds me of. Sometimes I'm numb to it, sometimes I get really overemotional about it. And oftentimes when dealing with situations like that, I have no idea what I'm supposed to say. Whether that's normal or not, I don't know. Objectively speaking, it's a good episode because so much shit goes on, but I could do without watching it again. The abhorrent racism mixed in with false sympathy is too conflicting.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 28, 2012, 11:58:18 PM
First time I saw Big Pussy in the mirror I almost screamed. Crazy moment.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 29, 2012, 03:36:38 AM
Mr. Ruggerio's Neighborhood is a classic. Such a great opener.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 29, 2012, 07:13:19 AM
FORTUNATE SON

- Chris getting his button is pretty cool, the oath is interesting. The raven outside is strange, I never really thought of that as being a bad omen. Paulie's explanation of how their percentage scheme works is quite interesting.

- lol at Janice's food mess on the coffee table. Does anyone really do that?

- Tony telling Melfi about "Meadow bringing him a black" was er....uncomfortable. Calling Noah "Buckwheat" is even worse. How awkward for him to conduct business during an appointment.

- Jackie Jr. is the fucking worst. I love Chris telling this clown not to disrespect the pizza parlor, but then he disrespects it in the next sentence by saying he can't be seen in a place like this anymore. Tony's attempt at a lecture was interesting, lol at him saying Richie was a rat, and then telling Jackie to ask around if he didn't believe him.

- AJ as freshman football benchwarmer brought back some good non-memories for me, I remember when I was in freshman football I never had that problem. Started every game but one. And my dad was kinda like Tony in this regard, loud football parent. This is the episode where you find out AJ has some mental issues of his own. It's nice to see Tony not flip out at AJ for spilling his glass of milk.

- Chris blaming the raven for his failures in paying Paulie was something anyone could have seen coming. Teething issues for anyone in a new job is quite normal.

- This shit with Janice stealing Svetlana's leg has an amazing payoff, but what bitch would actually take somebody's fake fucking leg? lol at "that slut sow stole my leg," and lol at it panning straight to Christopher beating on a drug bum who owes him dough. Oh god "hello Tony," how awkward is this. Maybe if Tony was nicer to her at these points she wouldn't have ratted on him at the end of season 4.

- YES FLASHBACK.  Junior is so weird in these. Satriale getting his finger ripped off by Tony's dad while Tony was watching explains so much. I like Tony's explanation that the experience wasn't traumatizing for him at all. One note for later, he tells Tony never to gamble, as we know, he disobeys. lol at kid Tony passing out and gashing his eyebrow open.

- Tony's consistent racial slurs w/r/t Noah are p. bad. This Noah guy saying he'd punch Tony's lights out is hilarious, maybe he wanted thrown in the ocean.

- The benefit concert jacking is both gross and funny at the same time. For starters we find out that Jackie is so nervous he pisses his pants. Finding out about how money is passed up the chain from Paulie to Tony was interesting too.

Videos:

Christopher Gets Made (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRKb6ekg0Dk#noexternalembed)

The Sopranos-Chris robs a benefit concert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e575l71y1sI#)

This episode was mostly centered around plot introduction, so while it's good, it's not one of those that has great re-watch value. Chris scrambling for ways to pay Paulie was neat though. Employee of the Month is next.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 29, 2012, 08:13:31 PM
So hard to pick between seasons but fuck season three is unreal.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on November 29, 2012, 08:17:29 PM
Season 2
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on November 29, 2012, 08:20:57 PM
It's between 2 and 3 for me.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: JAxlMorrison on November 30, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
These recaps definitely make me want to pick up the whole series on Amazon. I didn't even watch this show until after it was off the air, but I love it so much I even watch the censored reruns on A & E.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 01, 2012, 04:34:43 AM
Carmela is obviously right that any mob marraige would head down the road hers has.

Lastly, Carmela brings up an Italy trip that we never get to see her go on.

For some reason I can't find anything else but this one video. Anyhow, it's probably the most eventful episode to this point and I'd call it the best so far. I think it holds that title until like tomorrow when I watch the next one.

I still like it more than the finale. Just way more shit happening. A lot of the dream sequences of the show are cool but a bit tiresome at times. This one was packed with action from start to finish, and Richie digging his own grave only to get whacked by his fiance is one of the best deaths like you said. I never saw that coming either.

Carmela could have gone on the Italy trip in between seasons, and Bobby Fat fuck never cheated on his wife, but she died in a car accident which is much worse, so
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 01, 2012, 04:35:50 AM
And yeah Livia's satisfaction at the idea that Richie left Janice and then laughing at Tony while simultaneously calling him cruel only adds to that whole sequence.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 01, 2012, 04:42:00 AM
Apparently the airline stuff was supposed to be the main storyline for all of season three, but then she died.

"I hated Noah from the beginning but it had nothing to do with his race, he seemed like a total dickbag."

I laughed that you had to specify that it had nothing to do with his race.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 01, 2012, 04:45:41 AM
Carmela is obviously right that any mob marraige would head down the road hers has.

Lastly, Carmela brings up an Italy trip that we never get to see her go on.

For some reason I can't find anything else but this one video. Anyhow, it's probably the most eventful episode to this point and I'd call it the best so far. I think it holds that title until like tomorrow when I watch the next one.

I still like it more than the finale. Just way more shit happening. A lot of the dream sequences of the show are cool but a bit tiresome at times. This one was packed with action from start to finish, and Richie digging his own grave only to get whacked by his fiance is one of the best deaths like you said. I never saw that coming either.

Carmela could have gone on the Italy trip in between seasons, and Bobby Fat fuck never cheated on his wife, but she died in a car accident which is much worse, so

Bobby prob couldn't cheat on his wife. Other than the coma episode(s) I love the dream sequences in this show.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 01, 2012, 04:47:31 AM
When I said show I meant that episode. I loved the coma stuff oddly enough.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 01, 2012, 05:16:18 PM
EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH

- Crazy bitch calls Tony's house once again, this time to complain about her sister not having her prosthetic leg yet. I love how long it takes for Carmela to finally pick up the phone one of these times. This Janice digging for money in the basement shit is comical. Funny that Tony is completely onto it.

- This episode begins the Ralphie covering up all of Jackie's indiscretions so that his mom doesn't find out. Nice when he brings Jackie along to do a pickup and the dickhead calls Ralphie a wop. Then it's awesome when they beat the shit out of this guy. "You oughta take an anger management course, fuckin racial slurs."

- Aw man the introduction of Ginny Sack. So many great and horrible jokes to be had at her expense. And they are had at the Bing. How can Paulie get outraged over this later in the show? It's great how Johnny always walks in during these joke sessions.

- Tony's attempt at a guilt trip to get Melfi to continue with her treatment is pretty effective. At the same time it seems to be a legitimate guilt trip in that he really means it.

- Fuck, I hate this part. Meaning the rape of course. Can't watch it. lol at Tony asking who ate the last piece of cake during Melfi's phone conversation with Carmela. It's ridiculous how police fuck up open and shut cases like this. Sucks when family resorts to attacking and blaming each other when things like this take place.

- AH SHIT THE FBI GETS SOME RELEVANT INFO ABOUT THE BENEFIT ROBBERY. NOT GOOD.

- Melfi and Tony's conversation at the first therapy session post-rape is interesting. I want so badly for Tony to do something to this rapist piece of shit, but at the same time I know that as the moral compass of this show it would be wrong for Melfi to play any part in it. Can't believe this fucker is employee of the month at some shithole wrap fast food joint.

- lol at Jackie, "don't worry Tony, I won't say anything about the moulinyan."

- Speaking of great and hilarious things, the Russians breaking into Janice's house. YES. And Janice getting her shit smacked up YES. LEG RETURNED TO SVETLANA YES. Janice's soul searching and conversion at the hospital was great too.

- Melfi's coke machine dream is quite interesting. Great when that rapist gets chewed up by the big bad rottweiler. If only Tony was to find out about all this. The end scene is p. great, was nice when Tony made his list and offered to go to behavioral therapy, but previous events in this episode dictate Melfi isn't up for that at all. Of course she can't say anything about the rape though, it would ruin the show.

Video:

Dr. Melfi's Realization (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbC0Ua0Zeec#)

Interesting episode but not one for the YouTube. Anyhow, the Melfi storylines have wavered back and forth between seeming aimless and right on point since mid-season 2. This was way on point as you learn a whole shitload about her character. That being said, from here on out her character becomes increasingly less notable from season to season, and it takes a long time to build towards her breaking it off with Tony when it was so close here. There is one flaw in this episode, namely that violence against women lurched from wrong to hilarious and back to wrong. That was strange.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 01, 2012, 06:49:49 PM
ANOTHER TOOTHPICK

- Awkward first therapy session with Carmela in the room. Of course Carmela was going to explode in some sense, most people would, but lots of people wouldn't really defend their therapist either. So this is a bit unusual.

- This cop storyline is interesting in that it reminds you what type of person Tony really is. Brings some levity to the series, as you totally understand how he runs over everyone in his path who dares to oppose him. Even regular people who are just doing their job. Of course, Tony doesn't wear a seatbelt in his car, it's indicative of his personality, so that's not surprising. His initial behavior with the police officer is amusing though. Hilarious that Carmela approves of it to some extent in that she thinks the police officer is wrong to write him up for speeding which is just lol

- Aw this shit is sad. Mustang Sally destroys this guy, it's nice to find out he's Vito's brother so there's some payback for this attack with the putter. Shit this guy gets FUCKED UP. Ralph's joke in the hospital makes me want to see him get ended immediately. So does Jackie's declaration of wanted violence against Mustang Sally. What a toolbag. Paulie putting that dope in his place was one of the best things so far this season. As was fat ass Vito breaking into the Whitman's chocolate.

- Doubling down on awkward, and this Artie infatuated with Adriana is MAD awkward. I dislike this storyline and find it so awkward that I nearly want to fast-forward past it which is quite rare for this show.

- Tony agreeing with Bobby's dad to do the hit on Mustang Sally is really messed up. It's obvious somethings up with Junior considering how he's acted all episode. Well it turns out it wasn't Tony's idea, so this isn't really his fault.

- Artie's passive-aggressive comments and behavior towards Chris is really agitating. Chris is usually so quick to anger that I'm surprised he didn't actually stab Artie in the eye as opposed to just threatening him. WHOA SHIT TONY SLAPS ARTIE and gives him the total emasculating treatment. Artie calls his wife a cunt and I laughed at that unfortunately.

- Bobby finding out that Junior didn't do anything about the situation with his dad was a little saddening, but Junior's justification was quite on point. But when Junior saw him coughing like that, tried to tell him he couldn't do it and was told by Bobby Sr. that he was dead anyway, that was a pretty harsh scene. Also, the more often Johnny Sack is in this show the more you realize how much he will become a problem for Tony later. He has a knack for getting in other people's shit.

- Charmaine is one of very few levelers in this show. Of course she's right in that accepting Tony's proposal allows Artie to be a front for him, even though Artie gets all wound up and can't see the truth for what it really is.

- TIME FOR THE HIT. MUSTANG SALLY YOU GOIN DOWN. His trick to get this guy to get him a glass of water before blowing his shit up was amazing. But oh no he missed and blew his ear off then had to wrestle with this motherfucker to BLOW HIS BRAINS ALL OVER THE FUCKIN CEILING. Aw man then he shoots that one fucker straight through the chair with the evilest grin on his face and blood all over his shit. THEN HE (a lung cancer patient) SMOKES A CIGARETTE. WHAT A GANGSTER. Oh no then he wigs out during one of his attacks, drops his inhaler and crashes into a telephone pole. Game over for that crazy old dude. Junior's morbid questions were so weird., but then he completely loses his shit and starts throwing stuff everywhere without realizing it. Old dudes bonanza this time.

- Artie and Charmaine blowing up at each other was real neat, Artie always seems to get the short end of the stick.

- Junior's cancer reveal was a whoa shit first time through. Totally unexpected until the earlier events in this episode. Tony pledging not to tell anyone only to tell Janice immediately after was comical in how realistic that is.

- Love how the FBI got fucked over by something as random as Meadow needing a lamp for a biology lab. His feigned shock over a black guy stealing her bicycle was er...interesting. At least nobody tried to make Meadow leave the lamp at the house.

- Artie with this earring, how absolutely horrible and awkward this whole situation is. His advances towards Adriana are so creepy, like, uh...facepalming my whole way through this crap.

- Junior's confession to Bobby that he has cancer is sad, but his interest in the TV show moreso than this conversation, not so much. It's like a false sad.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Tony Gets Pulled Over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZqLLfpxZkY#ws)

The Sopranos - Artie Loves Adriana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU9KNuTA_q0#ws)

The Sopranos - Bobby Bacala Sr Visits Mustang Sally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FGPJ6D2KyQ#ws)

This episode has a TON going on. I think the amount of storylines used here were juggled quite nicely. Only one I didn't like was Artie's, but it's necessary to advance the story along as clearly both Bucco's were not that happy with each other.  Good stuff, I really have nothing more to elaborate on with this one.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 02, 2012, 01:55:29 AM
Was there ever a point to Pussy being in the mirror? Did they say why they did that? I remember being shocked when I saw it too, but confused as well. The only thing I can think of was that they were at a funeral, so it's a callback to an earlier death? I don't know.

I'd be relieved if my mom died too if she tried to have me WHACKED
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 02, 2012, 02:56:00 AM
Next up is the one episode that I don't know if I could ever re-watch even though it's maybe one of the three or four most important ones in the show's whole run.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: JAxlMorrison on December 02, 2012, 03:24:25 AM
Next up is the one episode that I don't know if I could ever re-watch even though it's maybe one of the three or four most important ones in the show's whole run.

At first I thought you meant the Melfi rape episode, until I scrolled up. Always fast fwd that scene.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 02, 2012, 03:38:35 AM
Melfi rape scene is not as brutal as Ralphie repeatedly tossing a Stripper's head against a thick metal railing. That CLANG gets me every time.

Was there a controversy surrounding that scene? I didn't watch the show during its initial run, but I vaguely remember it being talked about on CNN and other Talking Head shows.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 02, 2012, 03:49:17 AM
Someone from the NYC area should check out her yoga school and try to bang her:

http://www.arielkileyyoga.com/ (http://www.arielkileyyoga.com/)

She doesn't look like she's aged much in the past ten years, yoga must work.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 02, 2012, 05:30:56 PM
UNIVERSITY

- This episode is all sorts of messed up. Tony's thank you gift from Tracee showcases her naivety which only further highlights what tragically happens later in this hour.

- Ralphie shitting on Jackie Jr at the dinner when his own moms + Tony and Carmela are there is p. hilarious.

- Everything about Noah makes me want to punch this doucher in the face. From his stupid comments about what did you think when you met me, to the stupid fuckin way he acts later...just ugh fuck this stupid guy and all people like him. This rich kid syndrome shit is detestable. Neat touch for Meadow to take her x-acto out of the room in case Caitlin got even more wonky than just pulling her hair out. And wtf this Noah talking about being used to the mean streets is he for real? The moment of Meadow losing her virginity, dunno if that's supposed to be important in the context of the show or not, is tainted by him. Maybe that's supposed to represent how wack it is to save your virginity only to more likely than not give it away to someone not deserving. I dunno.

- VIP room has great parts and not so great parts. Before and way before gag was the best gag that Paulie would later repeat to somebody else. Tracee trying to get up on Tony, way awkward and not so great. Oh man this fuckface Ralph with the Gladiator quotes. Biggest sociopath in the whole show by far. His line to Tracee about how many cocks she sucked tonight, mad fucked up. And then to Gigi this sequence

Ralph Cifaretto: Where's Tony?
Gigi Cestone: Gettin' his weasel greased.
Ralph Cifaretto: Oh, your kid brother's here?

goddamn and then he says he has a cousin that's a fag. This dude is outrageous. And then with the lock and chain swinging it around at Georgie what the fuck it pans to Tony getting his dick sucked in the middle of it what a visual and Ralph cracks the guy in the head with the fuckin lock. This guy is a complete cocksucker.

- Tracee continually presenting herself to Tony in this fashion as a daughter would to her father is really sad. I guess it's different cause her tits are hanging out but the overall point is the same, she just wants approval and to be treated like a human, but Tony just doesn't get it.

- Caitlin with the homeless lady that talks all that gibberish shit and has newspaper hanging out of her ass is a traumatizing scene.

- Ralphie and the police officer double-teaming Tracee while she's crying is disgusting. Right now is probably the dirtiest and most disgusted I've ever felt while watching a TV show. To be honest I'm surprised that my mom was able to make it through this episode in the past. It's horrible.

- Meadow starting to see through Noah right after sleeping with him is quite interesting. Don't quite get that whole dynamic to a point where I can pontificate about it, because something like that where I would feel different about a woman after sleeping with her has never happened to me. Caitlin pestering Noah while he was writing his paper was funny, it's great that his grade sucks.

- Ralph's scene at Tracee's place makes me sick too, and it isn't all because of Ralph. Silvio showing at Tracee's apartnment like a slave owner makes for a strange show, when he punches her that is messed up as fuck. Always knew there was a reason I liked Paulie more than him, now I remember. Strange that Ralph finds the abuse of her entertaining.

- The dynamics when Meadow has to tell Noah's dad that Tony is in waste management are interesting. Gotta be embarrassing. The restraining order by Noah against Caitlin typifies everything I hate about these rich kid types. Their entitlement to selective insulation is frustrating.

- Tracee talking back to Ralph in front of everyone was bad news from the beginning. 

"I love you too, baby. Hey, if it's a boy, we'll name him after me. If it's a girl, we'll name it Tracee after you... that way she could grow up to be a cocksuckin' slob just like her mother. Are you out of your fucking mind?"

Horrendous, disgusting comment, can't find anything funny about that on any level. Then she asks him if this all makes him feel like a man and he goes to town. Head against the guardrail twice was tough to watch, but at least you couldn't see her face or that scene would have been even more difficult to watch. Then this stupid sack of shit walks back into the Bing all casual and makes up his lies, if only Tony had killed this fuck right at that moment. Who cares about rules saying you can't hit a made guy, Tony's the boss, would have been great if he beat him to death right then.

- Noah laying the breakup line on Meadow was one of the only things (maybe the only thing) in this episode that made me happy, because of course we wouldn't see him anymore on this show. His attempted breakdown of her faults was vicious.

- Tony having to lie about what's dragging him down during the appointment with Melfi was quite sad. Of course he seems to realize that, maybe he could have done something about this from the beginning.

- Stripper song at the end and throughout is a great one.

Videos:

Ralphie Cifaretto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69hijYUEwx8#)

The Sopranos - Ralph Cifaretto And Tracee At The Bada Bing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7oXYgw0h_U#ws)

It's pretty obvious what the points of this episode are, one is to set up Ralph as a major foe for Tony and showcase how detestable he is as little of him has been shown to this point. Another is to contrast the lives of two women who are approximately of the same age from different backgrounds. Don't need to say anything more about that as many people focus upon that as a main talking point for this episode, so I'll move on. Tony obviously should have done something about the Ralphie-Tracee situation from the start, but Tony has an obvious problem with doing the right thing until it's too late. If Davey had killed himself, he'd probably have felt the same way. Richie, he should have gotten rid of after the shit with Beansie, but he didn't do shit about it even after he later crippled Beansie and caused all that other damage. Jackie Jr's another one, Tony talked all that bullshit about him not getting caught up in the life, but when it comes down to it Tony just lets him hang around his conversations all the time and we know what happens in the end as a result of not being more forcible in cutting him off at the knees. Letting Ralph be captain and letting him handle the esplanade too. There are countless instances of this throughout the whole series, unfortunately this has the worst and most brutal outcome (that I can remember right now anyway).
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 02, 2012, 05:43:48 PM
Melfi rape scene is not as brutal as Ralphie repeatedly tossing a Stripper's head against a thick metal railing. That CLANG gets me every time.

Was there a controversy surrounding that scene? I didn't watch the show during its initial run, but I vaguely remember it being talked about on CNN and other Talking Head shows.

The actress claimed there was, and I dunno but I suppose there should be. Parts of it were horrific, but I don't even think the beating is the worst scene in the show. The double team was worse to me in part because of the way it was shot; during the beating you don't see her face, during the other part you do, and it's tough to watch.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 03, 2012, 08:59:57 AM
Thankfully these are the last two disgusting sex scenes in the show. I will never get the purpose of those scenes.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 04, 2012, 03:37:14 PM
SECOND OPINION

After the last episode, I had to take a little bit away from the show. Little bit over.

- lol at the dream about the FBI giving Junior hassle at his stomach surgery. You really learn a lot about Junior in this episode. The false dawn after his surgery is quite unfortunate.

- Paulie giving Chris a hard time is amazing shit, always. Telling Chris to take his clothes off to search for a wire was hilarious. "Before I was breakin' balls, now you're beginning to worry me." then lol at I guess you could call that a dick.

- I never went to my school's Washington DC trip, that was by choice because I honestly didn't fuckin' care. If I had it to do over again I'd go. At AJ's age most kids would say they're not going, so I get it. It's things like this that bring a greater personal connection to the show.

- Oh man the fish. He then goes on to whack Georgie over the head with it, but the prior showing of his dream about Pussy pretty much invalidates that part of the scene and I've nearly forgotten about it already.

- I don't have much to say about Carmela's session with Melfi, it's one of those things that you pay a super amount of attention to but may not have anything to say about it once it's over.

- Junior's positivity regarding his doctor, in large part because his name is John Kennedy was a good touch. That's the kind of thing old people hold onto, you know.

- Adriana with the shoes highlights her lack of innocence. Which I had completely forgotten about when this subject came up earlier. Egging on criminal activity = implicit

- Tony's rant about Pussy and Angie was unbelievable, it's always the FBI. The rage comes up from repressed guilt but he says some wild shit in these kind of instances.

- lol at Adriana's story about giving Penn Jilette head. what the fuck...Chris throwing her out of bed was pretty funny. Amazing seeing Paulie knock on Chris' door and tell him that he was gonna search his room. Plus finding the shoes and Patsy taking them...awesome. WHAT THE FUCK at Paulie sniffing Adriana's panties...THAT'S SOME BOB BARRON DEVIANT SHIT GOING ON THERE.

- Carmela sitting in the hallway at Meadow's dorm all alone is really sad stuff. Being shunned by Meadow is, you know...not nice either. lol at Meadow saying she lost a wonderful man because of Tony. Getdafuckouttahere

- Fuckin EW at this shake Junior was gonna make before he turned on the blender without its lid. Heh at "if you're gonna lie to me tell me there's a broad out there who's gonna tongue my balls." Accusing Baccala of eating White Castle, excellent once again. "Anthony is a cunt hair away from owning all Northern Jersey - and I am that cunt hair. " bwhahahahahahahaha

- Tony taking a bat to Angie's house and bashing out her car's front window was quite uncool. His comment about the Cadillac was typical Tony. How does this lady turn into a body shop owner, that's what I wanna know. Talk about role reversal.

- Carmela with the donation business, well to be honest I feel the same way Tony does. Fuck that shit. Finding out Carmela sneaks cigarettes was a revelation, never guessed that. It makes you understand why she does when Tony bitches about the orange juice having too much pulp in it. Btw I don't like any pulp in mine.

- DEATH PANEL

- Chemotherapy is one of my worst fears, and because I have stomach issues, uh, fuck that would suck. Junior's trials with it are portrayed to be no fun. Tony going down to the golf course to find and squeeze that Kennedy prick brought me a lot of satisfaction, ignoring patients like that is wrong, fucked up, and it happens all the time. Walking him into the lake and knocking off his hat, YES WHAT A THING TO DO. Also Furio as Mr. Williams calling golf a STUPIDA FACKIN GAME YES

- Chris with some skeeze establishes him on that level with everyone else, which to my knowledge has not happened yet in this show. Paulie telling him they'll have a problem if Chris keeps on whining is a nice predecessor line to Pine Barrens.

- Old dude psychiatrist that Carmela sees properly represents the reality of what this show is and what the Sopranos are. Most people would like to ignore it, and I certainly do, but everything he says is the truth obviously. Show needed an introduction of harsh reality. This guy knew she wasn't going to do anything she told him to do. And of course a few minutes later we discover that she just needs to be bought off like everyone else who comes in contact or has dealings with Tony. We don't find out if they go out to dinner though :(

Videos:

The Sopranos. Paulie Gaultieri breakin balls. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSiv4Gk3hII#)

Paulie smells Adriana's panties - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfZAERH8rSM#ws)

The Sopranos - Carmela's Psychologist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0lx2GUqFkg#)

Another good one, much different from the last that was filled with all kinds of abhorrent shit.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 04, 2012, 05:12:09 PM
HE IS RISEN

- lol Caitlin on X at the party, ain't that the last shit that crazy chick needs. Weird to see Jackie as the one dealing out the drugs, but then again he's a piece of shit so not surprising.

- Ralph with "read 'em and suck my dick" fucking LOL. At least Tony showing up made him leave, everyone else shows up to kiss ass as always but Ralph is a moron, he wasn't gonna say anything at all and what a mistake that would have been. Paulie's overinsistence on killing guys fast is usually correct, although never acted upon, if Tony had, shit would be way different. Silvio telling Tony to apologize or bump him up to captain, at this point in the episode, just sounds crazy. Upon hearing Ralph's conversation with his crew, even more so. Joey Pants is a great actor, why doesn't this guy get better work?

- This creep checking out Meadow's tits while she's knocked out from X and booze, perv. No wonder women think all men are like this. I BLAME TV.

- The reverend is a piece of shit, taking stolen turkeys, but hey I JUST REALIZED THIS IS STRAIGHT SOCIALISM. TAKE TURKEYs FROM CORPORATE GROCERY STORE AND GIVE THEM TO POOR FOLKS FROM THE CHURCH.

- Meadow-Jackie conversation between both mothers is interesting. Tony walking straight in with a big ass turkey and telling Carmela to cancel on Rosalie and Ralph coming to their house on Thanksgiving, totally hilarious. Never even told her why. Carmela's lie was cold.

- I knew where this Gloria storyline was going to go the first time I saw her. Exactly where.

- Melfi and the viewer learning that Tony put her recommended book to good use was a good touch, totally unexpected and I had completely forgotten about it.

- oh God Janice's narcoleptic boyfriend. Amazing. This is also where Tony has the vision linking Meadow to Tracee and that's pretty much something everyone was thinking all along. Then they pan to the Aprile + Ralph's depressing ass Thanksgiving and I'm glad my family isn't like that at all. We're always happy on Thanksgiving. LOL at Tony launching food at the Narcoleptic dude's head. "Have you heard the good news. He is risen." WOW can't stop laughing at this whole scene. Jackie's trying so hard to get his dick wet that I nearly feel bad for him. I wish after this scene he had hunted down Noah and wrecked him for causing him this discomfort.

- Funny how all the guys talk shit about Tony disinviting Ralph to Thanksgiving. And hey other Paulie shows up for the first time. Silvio's line about how stress is killing Gigi is quite prescient.

- Johnny Sack is a great character, it would have been nice for him to be more involved earlier in the show, but what you gonna do? Trying to sneakily broker a deal between Ralph and Tony was something right up his alley the whole time. He's great at manuevering his way through decisions and getting people to get along. Ralph trying to buddy up to Jackie like a father-son relationship was a terrible idea.

- These scenes with Eliott and Melfi are a consequence of Chase and company not really knowing what to do with her character. At this immediate point they detract from the rest of the things going on in this show. I think I will have less to say about this recurring element than anything else in the whole series.

- Way Tony handles Ralph at Vesuvio is outstanding, but I can't understand how Tony is able to get food from their kitchen when the dining room is always empty. As far as I can gather that seems like a massive plothole. Tony pretty much handles Ralph like a gruff dad would to their stepchild. I mean shit, he even made him say what he did wrong and all that. And got him to say he disrespected the Bing, I mean, the capitulation was spectacular. As was Tony going straight back to eating his food. Of course, Ralph freaks out over all this, and Johnny has to play leveler once again. Of course, he does a great job of it, well as good as he can do. It's like handling children.

- Gigi dying on the toilet is a rough way to go. I was thinking that being in the shower when an earthquake happens and getting slowly crushed to death while nude is something that would be just as bad, but on the toilet, wow. Junior and Tony talking about Gigi's position as leader of his crew while he's in the middle of dying makes for good viewing. In the end Tony doesn't have to look indecisive at all or worry about any of that stuff. Looking at these fuckin' sad sacks who could take over the crew is amazing cinematography as it pants down the line. No different than choosing which woman you want to be your wife and looking down the line at a bunch of 3 and 4's.

- Ralph showing back up at Vesuvio, this time being met with much better news is quite unfortunate, I can't stand that prick. I enjoy Tony not sugarcoating his decision in any way or validating Ralph as an individual. I take the title of the episode literally in that Ralph has risen from dead man walking to captain of his own crew. Also, lol, no drink.

- Meadow jacking (pun not entirely intended) Jackie's car only to piledrive it into a ditch  was something I didn't totally understand, I mean....why and what the fuck. This scene is one of the worst acted that I've seen on television in weeks, guy who plays Jackie has no chops and the lines were absolutely terrible.

- The end scene sorta highlights a thing I've wondered each time I've watched through the show, how does Tony pull broads like these? It's the initial part of it that I don't entirely understand. lol straight to the Stugots and I'm through with this one.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Ralph Rejects Tony's Offer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXW7GukFlI#ws)

Have you heard the good news? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_5n82WOQ0g#)

The greatest scene between tony and ralphie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eitzioWyvI#ws)

The blight of Jackie and Meadow's scene with the car aside, this was a great watch and I had more fun watching this than any episode yet. Sure, it's not the best one, but the comedic value is off the charts and there is a ton of shit going on. Maybe it crowds an episode but on the second, third, fourth time through, those are the best ones to watch. I enjoyed it greatly. At this point I'm pretty sure this is the best season of all of them, that's without a major conflict throughout the season and without things going on over multiple episodes for quite a few people in the show. Interesting.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: CletusVanDamme on December 04, 2012, 05:18:40 PM
- This creep checking out Meadow's tits while she's knocked out from X and booze, perv. No wonder women think all men are like this. I BLAME TV.
Don't forget him saying something like "If you weren't Tony Sopranos daughter.." pretty much indicating that if she had a regular run of the mill father he'd date rape her while she was passed out.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 04, 2012, 06:24:02 PM
- This creep checking out Meadow's tits while she's knocked out from X and booze, perv. No wonder women think all men are like this. I BLAME TV.
Don't forget him saying something like "If you weren't Tony Sopranos daughter.." pretty much indicating that if she had a regular run of the mill father he'd date rape her while she was passed out.

Yep, he's a sick dude, but I don't think his behavior is all that uncommon amongst young dudes his age. Which is pretty gross.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 04, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
THE TELLTALE MOOZADELL

- Not to be forgotten in the events of this episode is that it's Carmela's birthday. AJ gets her The Matrix on DVD which is not only quite funny, but odd considering that Joey Pants is in it. So in this universe does Joe Pantoliano exist? Meadow charging her gift onto her mom's credit card was, er...don't know of any word to describe that. Oh man at the birthday party thing Con te partirĂ² PLAYS AGAIN. The Jackie-AJ dynamic is quite interesting as is Janice walking out of the bathroom with a coke nose.

- The Emeril look-alike getting all pissed at losing his club over the Vikings is a great little part. As is Furio throwing liquor in the guy's face. BAM! So Adriana gets the club which is a nice scene and all, however tainted by what happens there to lead to her death.

- Interesting to find out that Carmela isn't feeling the Meadow-Jackie thing, but we get a great line when Tony calls Noah, Jamal Ginsburg the Hasidic Homeboy. What the hell. Meadow doing papers for this clown makes him even easier to dislike.

- AJ at the school vandalism is dumb as fuck, the kind of thing you think is cool with your friends but if it goes on your record and shit something you'll be mad about your whole life.Tony blowing his gasket at AJ is always interesting. IIRC I was suspended from school three or four times for fighting and the like and never received that kind of treatment.

- So we find out Davey Scatino's in a mental health facility over in Nevada. Well then.

- Carmela later telling Rosalie that Ralph is a real find is a massive LOL IF YOU ONLY KNEW type moment.

- This episode portrays Tony as a massive hypocrite. He went on about his mother's birthday and that bullshit to AJ but next thing you know he's trying to sleep with this Gloria bitch ON HIS WIFE'S BIRTHDAY. If the point of this episode is to make me detest Tony for a while, it does a great job.

- Paulie with the random facts, this time about snakes, is just too much. "How can you trust a guy who can literally go fuck themselves." This then leads into Tony having the talk with Jackie, giving him the lay of the land. So what happens with this fuckhead later, he can't say that he didn't get a warning beforehand.

- WTF Artie randomly in the crowd at the first gig for Adriana's club. Never spotted that before. I love Furio and that Benny dude throwing that dealer guy Matush out of the club on his ass. Jackie trying to deal with the Matush situation, acting like he's somebody of importance, seems so stupid. How is he gonna take care of it?

- Completely tuned out during the Tony-Gloria scene. I find this detestable.

- AJ not getting in trouble by his school for the incident was, well, not interesting but I know of a somewhat similar situation of an athlete who went to the University of Arizona on a full ride after a school related incident. Not kicked off the football team in high school, just nothing. So this is reflective of our current culture regarding sports in school. Their attempt at punishment kinda fails, cause everyone around their house already does shit so there's no way to give people something to do.

- Gloria and Tony's interactions with Melfi are interesting in their own way. Both liars. Gloria acts offended at the question. More later.

- Jackie's attempt at taking care of it was awful.  Also his bail out when Tony walks in the room, emergency exit be damned, smooth move. Lying to Matush was a horrendous mistake, telling him that it's alright but he can't deal inside of the club, real stupid. The difference between him and Tony is made clear when Matush is in the hospital, Jackie won't grab his bedpan, but when Beansie was in the hospital Tony had no problem helping him blow his nose and stuff. Jackie asking for a gun from Ralph just makes shit worse. Not like Ralph can turn him down either.

- Again with another scene I don't like based on what's already happened in other parts of this episode. This has done a good job of destroying how easy it is to relate to Tony on any level whatsoever or like him. Tony's interaction with Melfi gives the impression of him being so elated over his week that he's just like here, have this extra money, and shockingly Melfi accepts it on some level (to pay for Jason's books). But that should not have happened, she should have thrown the money in the trash as such a scene messes with her use as a moral pillar for the show. Or maybe I'm way off here. I dunno.

- Tony's response to Jackie being at the casino business was exactly what you'd expect, and correct of course, nobody wants their daughter to wind up with a degenerate. Sucks that Tony has vouched for Jackie to Carmela only for him to begin to betray his trust.

No videos worth posting at all. Perhaps my least favorite episode, totally just...not up my alley, I didn't enjoy it at all. No further comments regarding that in particular. I also realized that Junior is so often portrayed as a foe for Tony when without doubt he's a much less evil person than his nephew. The show pits you against him at times, when if the roles were reversed, you'd think Tony was a sick bastard in need of putting down, and not his uncle. Junior was absent this time, which probably served to further highlight the difference in my mind.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 05, 2012, 12:23:31 PM
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The end scene sorta highlights a thing I've wondered each time I've watched through the show, how does Tony pull broads like these?

I get that he's a mob boss and all that but he's also balding, overweight and despicable as fuck on top of treating women like shit so I hear you on that.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 06, 2012, 01:24:45 AM
Alpha male self-confidence, y'all.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 06, 2012, 01:32:33 PM
...TO SAVE US ALL FROM SATAN'S POWER

- The flashback to 95 when Tony's on the boardwalk was a great story to introduce. One of my favorites, go figure that when he really went to the boardwalk he dreamed about in Funhouse, he'd think about Pussy's death like this. Pussy's comment about always wanting a house by the ocean was a strange comment, considering that now he has one in the ocean. Junior having hijacked Jackie's truck to precipitate this 95 thing was something I'd forgotten about.

- TRANSFER CANNOLIS. Heh. Not so heh when Tony then has a panic attack, Carmela doesn't realize it though. Ew when Janice is insistent on cooking Christmas Day. The idea of her cooking, just sounds like one of those low-rent ass meals you'd get at a shitty Thanksgiving gathering. Didn't this Aaron dude just say something about not drinking liquor cause it wasn't a Christian thing to do, then rebuffing (I forget whose) comment about wine being good enough for Jesus. But now he has a wine cup next to his seat. Guy's weird.

- During the Christmas tree and Santa suit scene, when Ray talks about Pussy being a cocksucking rat, lol that's a good one. Tony as Santa wouldn't have been a good fit. Also, transferring cannoli's was money laundering (duh). Valery from GOAT episode which is next up makes his first appearance here as a drunken slob.

- Silvio's dream with Pussy caught in a mouse trap is a strange one. Good thing he and Tony didn't have that conversation when the lamp was still in Tony's basement. Flashback to the sitdown with all the OJ coverage is quite something. Junior getting mad over Pussy not being there was funny. Tony with hair is funny.

- lol at Paulie calling Charmaine a piece of ass, her responding by telling him that two guys over at some other table were FBI was a good burn.

- The aftermath of Tony and Furio tearing up this Igor dude is great. lol stuck that fool in a store window, Janice's reaction is unreal, her actually being happy with Tony is a new thing.

- Bobby walking into Satriale's was perfect timing on the Santa suit conundrum. Paulie being the first to catch on was great, as was his demand for Bobby to wear the Santa suit. He's the best.

- Tony getting bombed on by Charmaine basically telling him to get the fuck out was some show. Ha at them going to some other strip club and seeing Jackie fuckin Junior there getting a lap dance when he said his friend was in the hospital. Love when Tony drags him into the bathroom and beats the piss out of him. Everyone would love to do that to some dude who did their daughter wrong like this. Finding Jackie's gun and saying he bottomed out before kneeing him in the fuckin' nads was great. Carmela's suspicion of Tony and Charmaine wanting to hook up is hilarious based on what we know and she does not.

- Melfi preparing to outright ask Tony about the Pussy thing, or whatever she was going to say when she started talking, kinda wish I got to hear that.

- Bobby putting on the suit was hilarious, shit didn't even fit. But, um...flashback to Pussy in the Santa suit and Tony's hypothesis that he was wearing a wire after getting upset when Paulie touched him is pretty sad to watch. Ridiculous that he walked back there at Satriale's to get information on Tony and Tony wasn't wise to it then. Throwing the ashtray at Chris was way unexpected as was the huge OOOOOOOOOOOOH that was let out by Paulie. Ha at young Jackie Jr and Chris being stuck with the job of leading kids over to Santa. Kid saying "fuck you Santa" was the best one-liner of all time. The OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH's during these parts are the absolute greatest.

- Contrast between Paulie and Tony's attitudes towards Pussy is a stark one. Tony being all depressed over it and Paulie being all like "fuck the guy" serves to highlight the differences between them.

- Jackie showing up at Tony's house with presents is dead fucking stupid. If Tony was to out this guy it would have been great, but that's not the kind of man he is. His bullshit about the fashion institute was nauseating. Singing fish present was a great call-back to previous episodes, that was something I didn't expect first time through. I associate that item with this show for life.

Videos:

Christmas day, Flashback - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRlnxLFYNVY#ws)

Sopranos - Fuck You Santa! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwTRgDx7xJw#)

Wanted to share the bottomed out scene but couldn't find it. Anyway, this is a great precursor to what I think is the best episode of this show. The flashback scenes were ace and Tony was at his best this time. And they separated him from that broad. Bobby as Santa was fitting as well. All good.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 06, 2012, 04:36:30 PM
Charmaine is really interesting because I'm pretty sure she's the only semi-major recurring character who never, ever buys into Tony's shit.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 06, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
PINE BARRENS

This is the only episode so good that I rewatched it while on my first run through the series. An honor reserved for only this and The Wire episode with DeAngelo's explanation of chess. I've been anticipating this all week.

- lol'd at "Gloria" playing when she showed up at the Stugots. Answering someone else's phone is some foul shit. Irina's gag about being Mrs. Washington from AJ's highschool was a good ad-lib. Gloria going on the rag over Tony going on to tell her the truth was quite something.

- Paulie getting his nails done asking for the satin finish was funny enough that I could hardly type this part out, which won't be the first time today.

- Jackie with the obli-que line over Scrabble, only time he ever acted out a scene well. Also this fool spelling out ass may be something to place in my playbook, however that doesn't go too well for him. Bailing out when my girl's sick though, not going in my playbook.

- Now we begin with the Paulie and Christopher stuff. Paulie's racist shit about 30 people living at Valery's pad has me rolling. THEN fuckin' with his remote. In the middle of that he said Valery probably wiped his ass bare-handed when he came to this country. AH SHIT BREAKIN HIS REMOTE. BASHING BOTTLE OVER VALERY'S HEAD ROLLING AROUND ON THE GROUND. CHRIS GOT THE SLEEPER HOLD ON AND GETS RAMMED INTO THE TURNBUCKLE. PAULIE BE CHOKIN HIM WITH THE LAMP AH SHIT CHRIS HOLDIN HIM DOWN NOW AND IT'S JUST ABOUT OVER. LOL at rolling Valery up in the rug and throwing him in the trunk of Paulie's caddy.

- Ha at Tony taking the call while in the middle of getting it on and then this fool Paulie lies about Valery sucker-punching him. The phone breaking up was a great plotline that summed up an extremely common thing which happened at that time. Look how much great shit comes of this episode just from that. These two fools with their Pine Barrens idea and not eating before they go there. This shit taught me never to not eat when going on a long trip.

- Tony's confession about Gloria to Dr. Melfi is interesting, it's obvious why he's drawn to her but he just doesn't understand it at all.

- Valery being alive coming out of the trunk was an interesting story, but totally expected. All they did was choke him out. Making this fool dig his own hole was idiotic, Valery's boistering however is not idiotic. Said he washes his balls with icewater bwahahahaha. If it was real that shovel shot on Chris would hurt pretty badly I'm guessing. That gunshot to Valery's head was a pretty good one. The ensuing phone call is the first time we've ever seen him talk shop in front of one of his kids (AJ).

- Tony's talk with Slava about Valery is quite the interesting one, you find out this fool is a straight out commando and whoa shit the entire rest of the series you think he's gonna come back for Paulie and Christopher's head.  Once again with the phone conversation, it's unreal.

Tony Soprano: [over the phone] It's a bad connection so I'm gonna talk fast! The guy you're looking for is an ex-commando! He killed sixteen Chechen rebels single-handed!
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: Get the fuck outta here.
Tony Soprano: Yeah. Nice, huh? He was with the Interior Ministry. Guy's like a Russian green beret. He can not come back and tell this story. You understand?
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: I hear you.
[hangs up]
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.
Christopher Moltisanti: His house looked like shit.

What an exchange.

- lol at Chris just shooting the air when he hears footsteps. But he killed Bambi :( Paulie lost his shoe!

- Meadow saved the Scrabble game and everything only for this douchebag to flake out on her. Man that's fucked up.

- Hahaha at Paulie telling Chris not to eat the berries on some random tree while whining about his foot this is one of the best things I've ever seen. Even better after they get in the car. "Could be out there stalking us." "With what, his cock?" These dudes freaking out over ketchup and relish and eating them is amazing. Paulie trying to turn the table on Chris to pass blame on him is more than a bit messed up.

- Paulie ripping the carpet out of the van and getting in a crazed rage, ranting at Tony is pretty fuckin' hilarious. His response to Chris when Chris says "we shoulda stopped at Roy Rogers" and Paulie says "Yeah and I shoulda fucked Dale Evans but I didn't" was an all-timer. His ensuing phone call leads to a scene with Gloria, which reminds me that it's great for Tony to have flaked out on her (except for that being because Carm's dad has glaucoma), her throwing a fit is amazing. LONDON BROIL OFF THE FUCKIN BRAIN BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is why you stick with your wife and don't fuck around. Bobby showing up at Junior's house in full out duck hunting gear is amazing.

- Meadow discovering that Jackie is cheating on her was one of those "YES FINALLY" kind of scenes that happen every so often in this show. What a pig, completely and totally busted.

- Paulie's car being gone was a whoa shit moment. Can't believe he was holding out on fuckin' Tic-Tacs. Chris responding by saying he's gonna go out to eat the berries was glorious, I can't believe what I'm watching. LOL Chris taking a leak right by Paulie's door and this old dude trying to pull rank on Chris only for Chris to say Paulie was gonna try to choke him. Paulie getting out of the car and stepping into Chris' piss only to get a gun pulled on him was some real serious shit. I think this young buck went too fuckin' long without drugs.

- Paulie's ghetto ass shoe is genius. The image of Paulie and Chris shuffling up the hill all cold and shit is just too much for me, so is Paulie shooting at his rug shoe. Glad they got found and then asking for Bobby's advice was a new moment, not something expected.

- Last scene with Tony and Melfi spelled out why he was interested in Gloria. She's just like his mom in nearly every way, but he didn't get it.

Videos:

Chris & Paulie Vs The Russian Valery (All Scenes) - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOri4-GHOFY#ws)

Paulie and Christopher get lost in the woods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCpUct0DM_Y#)

This is without doubt the best episode of this show in my opinion, and my favorite in the history of all television. My theory is that Valery took Paulie's car and then bailed back to Europe. I thought the whole time through that he would pop back up to strangle Paulie, but it never happened. I don't really know how all this stuff could be going on in one shot yet come off so perfectly. All of the storylines provide a huge payoff for the viewer, other than finding out if Valery lived or died, but I'd say Paulie's car being gone from its spot made that pretty obvious. If I did 1-10 grades I'd give this like a 15. I haven't laughed this hard in days and doubt I will for a few more days.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 07, 2012, 01:48:27 AM
"His house looked like shit" is an all time great punchline.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: JAxlMorrison on December 07, 2012, 02:48:31 AM
Next time there's a big sale on HBO DVD's, I am buying the entire series for a rewatch due to this!
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 07, 2012, 04:30:53 AM
If you have an HBO subscription and a good internet connection, sign up for HBOGo and you get that shit for free.

Charmaine is really interesting because I'm pretty sure she's the only semi-major recurring character who never, ever buys into Tony's shit.

She is. Even Father Phil fell into the trap.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: JAxlMorrison on December 07, 2012, 04:50:38 AM
you might have just made me an HBO subscriber.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 07, 2012, 04:52:49 AM
Make sure your cable company supports HBOGo first. Some are backwards and don't.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: HSJ on December 07, 2012, 07:05:24 AM
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The end scene sorta highlights a thing I've wondered each time I've watched through the show, how does Tony pull broads like these?

I get that he's a mob boss and all that but he's also balding, overweight and despicable as fuck on top of treating women like shit so I hear you on that.

Tony Soprano had swag before having swag was cool.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 07, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
Just realized while watching the next episode of this that I'm gonna have to rewatch The Wire again too. Not next but in good time, will write about that too.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 07, 2012, 05:57:56 PM
AMOUR FOU

- Carmela getting hit with the relationship breakup bombshell left her in some awe, it's also not elaborated upon by Meadow at this moment, so we really have no idea what Carmela knows regarding this matter. Turns out nothing at all.

- The Gloria-Tony thing helps us to explore the matter of being in a relationship with somebody who's mentally ill. Both of them are in their own way. Oh yeah, I forgot about this part. Melfi tells Tony that he's not charged for this month's sessions because he gave her so much money last time. Thus sewing up the mistake of her taking extra money from him. Their ensuing dialogue is very interesting and foreshadows later things Gloria is to do. Her story in bed with Tony a few minutes later is mad boring, but then at the end she was about to say if not for those two kids I'd have nothing...stopped herself though.

- Jackie expecting Tony to reach out to somebody at Rutgers, what a cocksucker, why not just put in the work? The pizza place scene with Jackie and telling the guys to find a Taco Bell was stupid sounding, didn't come off realistic and all.

- Oh shit the Gloria-Carmela scene. First time through I had no idea what to expect. Thought for sure this crazy bitch wouldn't be able to keep her mouth shut. Couldn't keep her foot off the pedal or stop with the snide insults, but at least Carmela didn't pick up on it. It's interesting to see Carmela's interactions with somebody who she believes knows nothing about what their family does or is about.

- Ralph telling Jackie and this other fool about Tony and Jackie Sr. hijacking Feech's card game was a major mistake. Did he know this clown would try this stupid shit himself? The major difference here is that Feech is legit, Eugene Pontecorvo is not in the least so all robbing him is gonna do is piss people off. These two are also wannabes and haven't done shit. Also why does the idiot try to rob someone in Ralph's crew? Moron. Lol at Jackie going on to then call Ralph a secret fag.

- Carmela crying over the Pedigree commercial prior to this Tony-Gloria scene was interesting. Gloria freaking out over the slashed tires is ridiculous. Hilarious how she turns everything on its head. Not hilarious is Tony saying he slapped the piss out of Irina and expecting Gloria to find that acceptable on any level.

- Sad when people think the worst, like Carmela believing she has ovarian cancer. However, I empathize because I tend to do that from time to time myself. This priest says some interesting things.

- Tony's false sadness about the Jackie Jr news from Carmela was amusing. Tony finding out about Gloria from his wife is something I'm surprised he didn't go absolutely apeshit over even in front of her. Had to be hard to stow away that kind of emotion or not have a panic attack. Rampaging over to the Benz dealership, putting his hands on Gloria's neck damn that was some crazy shit even for this show. IT'S OVER.

- At least it turned out that Carmela did not have ovarian cancer. This conversation where the wives relate themselves to Hilary Clinton is real awkward.

- Oh God Gloria with the mad crazy phone conversation. Actress who plays her is real good.  Anyhow, he shows up at her place, and she goads him into more fighting. These two define incompatible. DAMN HE PUNCHED HER. THEN HE REALIZES GLORIA IS JUST LIKE HIS MOM. WHAT AN EPIPHANY GOTTA HIT BROADS TO FIGURE THAT OUT. Then his repressed rage towards his mother leads to him totally freaking out when she says she'll tell his family, that being said, that's what she wanted him to do. This is why you don't cheat on your spouse dudes. Wildest scene ever right here.

- Jackie with the cld feet showing his true lack of balls can't believe he actually manned up and did it. Breaking in like this was a massive fucking mistake. Furio, Chris, and Eugene all in the same place how the fuck did anyone think they'd get away with this. Chris knew immediately who it was. LOL at the getaway driver bailing the fuck out of there. OH NO SUNSHINE KILLED BY JACKIE WHEN HE CAN'T HANDLE HIS SHIT. AH SHIT CHRIS BRAINED THAT RANDOM DUDE AND THEY HAVE A FULL SHOOTOUT. THEN FURIO SAYS SOME CRAZY SHIT IN ITALIAN AND YOU KNOW THESE GUYS ARE GONNA GET TORN THE FUCK UP. LOL JACKIE DRIVING STRAIGHT PAST HIS BUDDY DINO WHO HE PLANNED THIS SHIT OUT WITH. DINO.ICED. HE DEAD. Straight out executed in the street that's hardcore. I can't believe this moron said he was with Ralphie.

This could legitimately be the best two-scene combo in any show, but I haven't finished as many shows as I'd like to have. Had to re-watch the robbery scene cause wow what the fuck so much shit goes on here. Sunshine's quips are hilarious, that's the kind of shit my cousin's grandfather would say while dealing cards. Also realized that Matush was the getaway driver. Hilarious that some ED pill doctor who was shooting a commercial is a mob surgeon, Furio's talking during this shit is amazing. Chris with the recalcitrance was a stupid ass idea. Chris told Tony he loved him in a past-tense sense that shit is totally messed up.

- Ralph saying he wanted to give Jackie a pass was a mistake for an initial comment. I think he knew what had to be done but was in total denial over it, Tony also encouraged it because Ralph not doing anything would make him look horrible. The shot of Ralph walking out of Satriale's and staring into space is a great one.

- It all comes together at this Tony session with Melfi, and he finally gets it, surprisingly they don't argue over it at all. This is the most frank discussion they have to this point without a blow-up moment. Shortly after, the Patsy scene with Gloria is chilling to the max. "Scraping your nipples off these fine leather seats" DAMN

- This scene with Rosalie is sad. Does anyone else in this show suffer more grief?

- And right there you notice Carmela takes the priest's advice and sheds the ring.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Gloria Gives Carmela A Ride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAdv8ipu4Vg#ws)

Gloria Trillo 3/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNwP9J2Sih4#ws)

Jackie Jr. robbed Christopher and wounded Furio - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGnfgTqlzo#ws)

What an exciting episode. The Gloria scene in particular was a little hard to watch, but not nearly as bad as the Tracee scenes from earlier. Anyhow, i like this show format of blow everything off in the second to last episode, leave the last one so that people can see how everything shook out afterward. And this one was as good as it gets, it's unreal to have so many climaxes in one episode, yet there are.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 07, 2012, 08:01:11 PM
THE ARMY OF ONE

- AJ finding ways to get in more trouble is no surprise. I laughed hard at the authorities having the pee DNA tested. Make sure you don't do some shit like that when you steal test answers. Stealing test answers and getting all the questions right is a pretty stupid move too. Gotta just go for a passing grade not the full A. WHOA SHIT WORLDS CLASH AS JACKIE HITS UP OMAR LITTLE FOR A PLACE TO STAY.

- Paulie's mom is an interesting character, funny that he puts her in Green Grove. IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. LOL that Paulie's mom thinks this is a great place for her to live, what a reversal from what we know. Tied to this, Paulie and Ralph having a vendetta seems like something that could be amazing, but not really. At least I don't think it is. Ralph taking a fake phone call from "Tony" is some complete bullshit kinda thing a douchebag like that would do.

- Jackie calling Tony and pleading for his life like that's gonna help him out was a, well, what did he think that was gonna do? Of course it wouldn't do shit, he brought this upon himself. Tony laying this decision off on Ralph is amazing man management, he doesn't want to do this at all so it's a perfect way to pull it off.

- This FBI sacks of shit coming up with their idea to trap Adriana with some background checks chick was a pretty smart move, but uh, her falling for it was quite expected. I still can't believe Omar in this scene at the projects, how amazing is it.

- And oh shit they link Jackie's life to the chess game just like it's done in The Wire with the street kids. Right after that WHABAM VITO ICES THIS CLOWN AND THAT'S CURTAINS FOR JACKIE.

- Chris and Tony's relationship is starting to freeze up here, we all know where it goes. Paulie burdening Tony with this Ralph bullshit right now was a terrible idea.

- AJ getting expelled made Tony's week even worse. Shit on top of more shit on top of more shit. I don't believe in physical punishment like but when AJ said "sucks to be you" in response to Tony's rant, why the fuck do kids say dumb shit like that? I never did just because that shit's wrong, never would hit my kids either, just saying. I can't believe he then said "there's more where that came from" DAMN. Military school idea can't believe he came up with that one (actually I do believe it). TIME FOR TONY TO ALPHA MALE SHIT UP.

- Oh no once again with more shit as Tony finds out about the Jackie thing through Carmela with Rosalie going apeshit on the other end of the phone. Aw man when AJ tells Meadow about Jackie dying that's sad stuff. His appointment with Melfi is interesting, Tony says he failed him, which is the truth to be honest. He knows it too and doesn't want the same thing to happen to AJ, but that's something that can't entirely be controlled. This is the reason for Tony being so hard on AJ right now.

- Meadow is the only one who catches on to the truth in any way, but it's naive to think nobody gets killed over ecstasy. Of course, Jackie is the only one to be blamed for his actions, and his death, so Meadow is off-base even though on point to some extent.

- This military school shit is sick. How do people get off on this? It seems like the instructor has too much repressed anger from getting raped by kids in Jr. High. These get off on fascism types are gross, to some extent I can't believe we have this kind of shit in our country, yet at the same time, I completely do when considering the types of people in this country. Carmela's right on this one, it's fucked up shit to send a kid away to a place like that. She and Tony's argument is so well acted that it seemed legit, and at the end of it, as for much of the rest of this season, it seems like Carmela's edging closer to having a nervous breakdown.

- Rosalie looks so drugged out in order to cope, another case of good acting. Fucked up how nobody showed to Jackie's funeral. Can't understand how anyone deals with losing their son, that's not supposed to happen. Didn't expect Tony and Carmela cuddling up after Jackie's funeral, the image of him in a coffin would make anyone think sending a troubled kid to a tougher school would be the right thing to do to get him running straight.

- IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, Tony said it, so it shall be. Ralph's stupid ass comments drive me nuts. This fuckin' asshole saying he was with his comare cause he couldn't sleep all night, what a cocksucker. Paulie's shock at this decision was sad, not only was he shocked but totally hurt by it, then that fuckhead Ralphe makes a stupid-ass joke only for Furio to then slip on some ice and fall down, then get hurt worse.

- This FBI chick is almost a parody of all these kind of women. Of course Adriana spits out information at like the drop of a hat.

- LOL ED doctor. LOL AJ in this uniform while being chided by Tony. Carmela wanting to see him with the hat on is really funny, she's all beaming and shit over it. Man, this kind of shit would make a kid want to hang himself. Well AJ goes into the red and he has a damn panic attack once again. At least it doesn't make this kid have to go to some fucked up school. Speaking of fucked up schools, fucked up Verbum Dei not telling Tony about AJ having a panic attack and misdiagnosing it. Lots of school nurses are folksy incompetents to be real honest. Tony all broken up at Melfi's thinking his kid is doomed is sad.

- Oh shit Silvio, Chris, and Paulie all getting picked up for gambling. Junior running back to the car when he saw this and Bobby chasing after him was a totally hilarious moment in a completely tragic scene. Funeral scenes are tough to watch.

- Meadow now defending her families lifestyle and relating exactly what Carmela told her was pretty weird. Ralph watching the Super Bowl while his woman was pouring her shit out as dickheaded as a person could possibly get. Even though he ordered the hit, so what?

- I love Junior during the scenes at Vesuvio. Everything he says is on point as it gets. Jackie was a stupid fuck, true; turnout would have been better in the past, also true. Turnout would have been better in the past because of late, as far as we know, these people are dropping off mob members on the regular. Paulie and Johnny's conversation was interesting, planted the seeds of Johnny sticking his nose in their business and Paulie possibly wanting to flip families.

- Meadow gets that Jackie's family wasn't there for him, but it seems that she feels differently about her's until she blows her top in the car. Oh man this loser cracking jokes at a funeral dinner and Janice kissing up on him how horrible is that. Like is that what you're supposed to do? I've never really had to deal with something like this. Junior's singing is pretty cool, it's weird to see everyone else's reaction. Like Artie and Charmaine for example, Bobby and Johnny crying, or Meadow throwing bread at Junior. The last one of those is fucked up. Then Meadow runs through the street and shit and Janice has to tell the kids to stop watching, which, well, it's weird to see her in that position of authority. The different songs played at the end of Junior's scene were out of place, didn't get that shit at all.

Videos:

Vito kills Jackie Jr.Aprile - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8UJh7cRezg#ws)

The Sopranos - Jackie's Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Or0e6nAKFg#ws)

Jackie's Funeral - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX39cWD1OY8#ws)

Cuore Ingrata - Junior Soprano (Dominic Chianese) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvZJat4CuY4#)

Gotta rank them 3, 2, 1 so far. Nice lead-ins to the next season over those last 20 minutes, all of them give some sort of payoff.  Much different than Funhouse was in this regard. Everything goes downhill from here for the Soprano family. I don't think anyone can say that the next few seasons give them a lot of good times, so much of the enjoyment to be derived out of the next few seasons is surrounded by pure negativity. The thought of Seasons 3 and 4 being 16 months apart is crazy to me, waiting that long would be awful. Also one reason I try not to get too attached (but fail at) to shows currently airing on premium TV, they can be delayed for quite a while.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 08, 2012, 10:11:58 AM
FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE

- "World Destruction" during the customary paper gathering scene was a neat touch, this being post 9/11 and all that stuff. Apparently what's her face the FBI agent has a kid. Who'da known. Neglecting him/her in favor of the undercover operation is messed up.

- lol at Carmela sneakily making herself look good in anticipation of Furio walking through the door only for it to turn out to be Chris driving him this time. In the subsequent scene, ice cold for Tony to not change his split with Junior.

- Chris being a dickhead to Danielle is very funny, then he goes into his room and shoots up how gross. Guy says Tony can depend on him right before jabbing the needle into his foot what a trip.

- Carmela talking about the money side of his business and worrying about the future was an interesting storyline and completely rational worry on her part. She then sums up the theme of this season and really all the rest, everything comes to an end.

- Then he comes to work the next day and bombs on Georgie which is always completely hilarious. The subsequent conversation about the lack of money has an obvious answer, too many good earners are dead. Is the mob really recession proof, who knows but I don't think so. Interesting to see how Tony is hiding his scrilla now. Nobody could find that, not his family, nobody. Carmela nearly caught him though.

- Ralph's line about some guy in a Porsche having a Jew grin cracked me up a little. Can't believe Adriana brought the fed to Tony's house, but of course that was the natural course of events. Ralph and Janice is a really gross matchup. Diving into coke in Tony's bathroom these people are nuts. And by the way, it seems like Meadow is headed down a heavily depressed path.

- Junior singing to the nurse is quite funny, not only that but he runs good game too. A little weird that they're using the doctor's office for business purposes when Junio's no longer on house arrest, but I guess he's sure he's being followed and all that.

- LOL at Paulie in jail. His explanation of why he's there and all that shit is great. Trying to see Dean Martin's birthplace in Ohio wtf. Ha, don't touch that, my program's coming on.

- Icelandic Air chicks are QT's. Man Chris is a straight fiend now. And this moron Ralphie passed out on the couch wtf.

- Moving on to the storyline about the guy who killed Chris' dad, who knows if this is true, but Tony wants the retired cop dead so that's all that matters. Tony's only reason to lie would be to earn Christopher's trust back, which makes a lot of sense in all honesty. Also, Chris is wasted as it gets right here, so he'll do whatever the fuck he's told to do at this point. The brief interlude with Tony and Bobby at the diner is funny, Tony tries to be all weight conscious and shit and is just like forget it GIVE ME THE STEAK. LOL Quasimodo predicted 9/11 and all this DAMN that's some stupid shit. Back to Chris killing this guy, he's so over-emotional here, can't help but laugh at it. Good thing nobody was outside watching though. Jacked the 20 out of his wallet that's cold.

- Guess one of Tony or Junior decided not to eat all the steak. Now Tony is all worried cause of the broad at the doctor's office being a fed plant. Slick move on Tony's part to parlay 100k into Junior's grade-A property. Sadly Junior is all worried about this shit. We then find out during Tony's appointment how much faith Tony wants to put in Chris, he has no idea how fucked up Chris is, or he'd be way more stressed out than he is now. Also, he's hiding all that money so that he doesn't wind up like Junior.

- The scene with Chris and his mom is real intriguing, not only do you find out she's an alcoholic but Chris doesn't seem to go over there very much. Weird. I found him placing the cop's 20 dollar bill on the fridge very cool.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Christopher Moltisanti Visits His Mother (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxeDiycmIkk#ws)

My two favorite scenes this episode were Chris taking care of his father's killer and Paulie in jail, neither of which are on YouTube.  Bit hit and miss, no central event where the whole episode plays off of it... it's good, but not one my favorites, there are better ones.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 08, 2012, 06:25:36 PM
NO SHOW

- Meadow is depressed in a way that I find hilarious. Hasn't tried to work, just sits around the pool and shit, hasn't registered for classes, got a car from her parents and didn't hold up her end of the bargain. Also hilarious is how much Carmela is into Furio.

- Ralph's 95 pound mole joke about Ginny Sack's ass was a stupid thing to say, look how many damn people are in that room and their affiliations, why would you say that with all these big mouths around? Patsy was probably mad about being passed over for Capo but doesn't say anything about it to my knowledge.

- Adriana letting out her secret about not having kids was quite the revelation. But Chris was onto Danielle from the start, knew something was wrong with her. Then Chris goes back to the coke.

- lol at Ralph running upstairs to hide from Tony at Janice's place. She asked Tony what was going on with Bobby and Tony said "he's fat." LOL. What's awesome was Tony seeing Ralph's shoe hiding under the table. He like, shamed her and shit.

- Little Paulie telling real Paulie all this business in a jailhouse was mad foolish, but Paulie getting all offended over the 95 pound mole joke is great in every facet of everything. I'm sure all those guys from Paulie's crew were pissed at Chris driving up in his car, Patsy getting this fool to hijack the fiber optic cable was a smooth political move.

- Meadow deciding to take a year off was so foolish. When you do that shit it doesn't work more often than it does. And Vito playing basketball with Ralph was gross. Lumped this shit together cause it seemed so minor and came in such a short span. Vito is huge, if I was that big I dunno if I'd hate life or what.

- Chris getting reprimanded for the fiber-optic thing shows why he should absolutely not have gotten this spot, doesn't have the experience for this stuff. Then getting high fucking again when he gets him. Dude needs to put away the needles. Chris thinking Danielle is a lesbian is hilarious. First time, thought he was going to call her being a fed.

- I can't believe Tony buckled on the idea of Meadow going to Europe. It's like he hits this point where he can't take things anymore and has an irrational reaction when it comes to many things. This therapist is mad interesting by the way. She seemed to have that ability to probe with the best of them until her last questions. DID YOUR DAD MOLEST YOU? WHAT ABOUT MOM?

- Chris trying to get Danielle to do coke and then feeling her up was a bad idea. Funny that Chris tried to blame it on her considering that her hand was laid upon him. Hilarious argument after this with one of the loudest OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH's ever let out. I really hate where this leads. Danielle and Adriana fall out shortly after and uh, yeah. FBI decides it's time to kill the operation and bring Adriana in. By the way, Will Arnett as Danielle's husband was a strange spot.

- Did Silvio lead Patsy into this trap with the tile thievery deliberately? Of course some bad shit is gonna happen as a result of that, Tony didn't want anything like that to happen. When he finds out, so does Chris, who goes on to lose his shit. Oh shit pulls out a gun on Patsy what a stupid ass thing to do. When the guy says he's going to call the police and Patsy clocks him with a pole I think that's awful yet slightly amusing at the same time. I suppose in a shocking way.

- Meadow's too lazy to make a tuna sandwich wtf is going on here. Her room is disgusting too. Burned her hard when Carmela said that line about her being like a baby. Then during this argument wherein she calls Tony Mr. Mob Boss, WHOA. Her response to Tony's comments about Jackie, when she says she's tired of telling people he's involved with environmental cleanup, well I get that but what a strange response to what he said. DO NOT DO IT, DO NOT GO TO EUROPE.

- Adriana getting picked up by the feds and having to cooperate is tragic. She screwed herself over real bad here. WHOA the projectile vomit all over the place the cigarette smoke made the vomit look like it was steaming. Talk about upset.

- I had a hard time realizing what game Silvio was playing until the end, then I realized that he was trying to get Patsy a taste because he didn't get a no-show job at the sitdown. He also doesn't seem to agree with Chris being placed in this position. Understandable.

- So Meadow's at class registration and not in Europe. Good.

Videos:

Ralph on mole Ginny Sack - The Sopranos HD 720p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1fBCNNdyV8#ws)

Quarrels between Cristopher and Patsy - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZpxHNhjSI#ws)

Adriana La Cerva vomits over an FBI agent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL3THOczjW8#ws)

Like this episode a lot. Having a coherent plot helps. The show is beginning to beat me over the head about Christopher's drug use. I think its been established that he's a junkie fuck.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 09, 2012, 02:50:53 AM
Yeah but it's all leading now to the best scene of all time THE INTERVENTION
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 09, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
"Who the fuck are you? Ralph Bunche over here?" *DINK*
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 09, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
CHRISTOPHER

- Oh no this is the Columbus Day episode. The shit they say about Natives in this episode is real ridiculous, ironic too.

- Ew Janice shoving a vibrator up Ralph's ass while calling him all kinds of shit that's gross but LOL his phone has Rocky theme song as a ringtone, that's a funny part in a pretty gross scene.

- Paulie telling Johnny about the joke, just knew some good shit was gonna come of that. Uh, Johnny being extremely short towards Ralph at the ensuing dinner scene was real good. New York trying to profit off Tony's sale of that property is the kind of thing that was bound to happen during this project, New York was never gonna stick to just getting their taste through the Esplanade, but all surrounding things would require such profit-splitting.

- Junior quibbling about phone call charges at the very start of his RICO trial was very much fitting of his character. BTW I always love seeing Father Phil get shit on in this fashion.

- The protest scene where Artie is there and ready to throw down with all the other Mob dudes is amazing. LOL at Georgie getting beat the fuck up once again, and then Artie getting doused with shit only to fly into the car and hide.

- Wow Janice going to a therapist. Figured. She tells Janice to make new choices in men. So we'll see how that goes.

- Ralph threatening to expose Iron Eyes Cody was pretty lame.

- IN THIS HOUSE CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS IS A HERO

- Bobby's reaction to his wife dying was heartbreaking. One of the only dudes in this show who showed emotion like that at any point. At the funeral, Johnny telling Ralph to stick his money up his ass was amazing. And finding out that mob wives coordinate a schedule in order to comfort people and help them out was something to this point totally forgotten and unknown.

- More disgusting Ralph shit comes up as he breaks it off with Rosalie. This guy is too fuckin' much.

- The talk of Columbus and Hitler and all that shit with Hesh is just weird and totally uncomfortable. That being said, Hesh jumping to the guy being an anti-semite is messed up shit why does it seem like Jewish people do this so regularly?

- I do not give a shit about the chief, or the gambling scene where he takes the guys to the casino, or any of the shit related to that. Great move by the chief roping Tony into getting Frankie Valli to play at his casino though.

- Melfi's ex-husband as this self-loathing Italian is a great minor continued storyline.

- This sequence of Ralph scenes is the best. Starts with Ralph showing up at Janice's house and saying we don't have to hide and shit while Janice is disgusted at first before falling back into the same behavior is gross and weird. However, two days later, Ralph shows up with his shit, Janice flips her lid at him over his shoes, then fuckin pushed him down the stairs on his dome LOL. Ralph's reaction or pure rage was amusing. I'LL KILL YA BITCH.

Video:

The Sopranos - Janice throws Ralphie down the stairs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhUbd1x91rs#)

Not one of my faves, the plot just doesn't resonate with me in any way. Will try never to watch it again, as honestly, it was kinda boring.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 09, 2012, 07:12:10 PM
THE WEIGHT

- Johnny in the first scene is great, set off into a rage by a guy who's in Ralph's crew, cause ostensibly he reminds Johnny of Ralph. He beat the shit out of him and then took a big ol' pee on him lol

- Tony's vehicles peeling around corners in the fashion that they do is an automatic sign something's up. Good non-verbal way to present that idea. Johnny coming to the defense of his wife in this fashion is very interesting.

- Furio's conversations with Carmela are becoming more interesting and contain more sexual tension. Erm.

- Chris, Tony, and Sil talking about who amongst them moled to Johnny yielded some interesting results. Patsy, the feds, but nobody guesses Paulie. I wouldn't have either.

- Ralph saying that Janice "wanted to" stick a dildo up his ass is hilarious. Like legitimate belly laugh hilarious. I don't remember Tony being there when Ralph said this joke. Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't but I don't remember. Tony unwittingly pitting Paulie and Ralph against each other once again is an excellent stroke of writing. Ralph saying he'd apologize for something he didn't say, not listening to Tony when he told him not to apologize, was unbelievably fucking stupid.

- WHOA SHIT at Johnny going to Carmine and asking him to sanction a hit on Ralphie. Carmine as voice of reason is an interesting turn, you can't kill a guy over that. Carmine's reasons are not over morality, but over money, go figure.

- Tony at Meadow's dorm is very funny, but seems so weird and out of place in that visiting there by himself doesn't seem like something he'd do. Of course, this is just a vehicle for Eliot and Tony to encounter each other. I love how Tony refuses to get out of his way in the parking garage, but this encounter seems forced and weird.

- Johnny then walking out of the sitdown is some hill to die on moral shit which is so unusual for this series. Later, the next meeting with Junior involved and the phones, that's some heavy duty let's make a deal type shit. Carmine be all rough and tumble and shit with that 'name a price or get the fuck over it' demand to Johnny. Carmine taking Tony's words to mean Johnny should get clipped was quite the unexpected turn. Of course that is what meant to. All this shit cause of a joke, cause of this cocksucker Ralph.

- Junior never got the joke which is funny. His advice to get with those DiMaggio people leads to one of the strangest bits in the show. With the blind lady and their strange old style house. Everything in there looks badly aged. All these people are like dead old, LOL that Junior would say to get in contact with them about a hit. The oldest guy doesn't even count the money, which, well, he can't, but was worth mentioning anyway.

- Little did we know that Johnny was lining up a hit on Ralph. Until now. This Tito Trinidad lookin mope outside of the pool cracked me up. Ginny is one of the very few legitimately nice people on the show, so the scene where Johnny comes back to the house to find her eating a load of candy and junk food in the basement is tough to watch. His comments were quite harsh at first but he WAS about to do something completely crazy for her honor. Forgives her pretty past though. He's the complete opposite of Tony. Funny how close Ralph came to the guy who was going to kill him, but Johnny called it off (linking it to what we just saw). They're both all eyeing each other up and shit and it's strange.

- AJ locking Bobby's kid in Furio's garage was cruel, yet still funny.  I think this episode is trying to illustrate how childish he still is despite his growing age. And his dad is too, as he got bored from the talk with Brian and Carmela over financial planning much earlier.

- Tony and Carmela getting it on while she's thinking of Furio was a little disturbing, I get the point of the scene and all that but I would rather make childish comments. But I laughed at how hard the music was blaring from Meadow's room.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Johnny Sack Beats Down A Soprano Associate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27TJZzgNtwU#ws)

The Sopranos - Ralph Cifaretto Returns From Miami (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpnY0cigr50#ws)

Johnny Sack asks Carmine to sanction a hit on Ralph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl77IyWcbWU#)

The Sopranos - Sopranos And Lupertazzi's Sitdown To Discuss Ralph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QhZ_p0Cadw#ws)

The Sopranos - Johnny Sack Catches Ginny, Ralph Almost Gets Whacked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgnaW63SE4M#ws)

Great episode, would maybe put this in my top ten. No shortage of action, great plot, can't ask for more. Felt that we got back to the greatness and overall insanity of Season 3. Also, halfway through!
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on December 10, 2012, 05:26:04 AM
If you would have asked me upon first viewing the entire series I would have pegged Season 1 as the best with no doubt.  After I have re-watched it a few times I have also come around to 3 being great, but not the best.  Here is how I rank them:

1. 6B
2. 3
3. 2
4. 1
5. 5
6. 4
7. 6A
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 10, 2012, 09:45:25 AM
If you would have asked me upon first viewing the entire series I would have pegged Season 1 as the best with no doubt.  After I have re-watched it a few times I have also come around to 3 being great, but not the best.  Here is how I rank them:

1. 6B

wtf
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on December 10, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
What?  That's no crazier than saying Season 3 with all of its awkward moments is the best.  The second to last episode may be the best of the entire series and the build up to the finale was some of the best television I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 10, 2012, 11:43:33 AM
Almost all of the awkward moments of season 3 are as a result of Jackie's horrible acting, but in the end that makes him getting shot a very satisfying moment.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 10, 2012, 11:49:43 AM
Well University alone has at least four.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on December 10, 2012, 12:18:55 PM
Almost all of the awkward moments of season 3 are as a result of Jackie's horrible acting, but in the end that makes him getting shot a very satisfying moment.

I don't know, some of Noah's shit was pretty cringe-worthy.  I found a lot of the season's sex and violence seemed to be gratuitous and I'm not squeamish in the least.  Lest we forget, I still had it at number two, so I still found the story lines and writing to be very compelling.  And "Pine Barrens" of course.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 10, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
It was cringe-worthy but I think that was supposed to be the point, he was supposed to be this detestable rich fuckhead. Agreed on the sex scenes being gratuitous, but I think the story elements from S3 hold up the best over time (so far).
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 11, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
PIE-O-MY

- Adriana imagining Tony as knowing she's an FBI informant portrays him as a total monster. That scene at her club was not uh, good for any future conversations she'll need to have. Which, then she has one with Agent Harris and can't answer anything. Sucks that she has the shits all the time now, but this Harris dude could literally not care less.

- I laughed at Mikey Palmice's wife from way back giving Bobby some food. It's like a competition between her and Janice to see who can be more nice to Bobby. Laughed at Janice taking JoJo's noodles over to Junior's house so that Bobby wouldn't find any way to get attached to her. Junior stealing the other old dudes coins was funny.

- The horse scenes exist in part to highlight that Tony has a human side. When it comes to animals he's at his most normal. Ralph on the other hand is all dickhead all the time. The guys cheering on Pie-O-My at the track was hilarious. Tony was extremely attached. Ralph's maid taking the picture as winning owner was weird, but Ralph trying to be king shit and dictating to the jockey was a fucked up dude.

- Tony not signing all the papers was a sure thing to piss Carmela off but he did it anyway. Bad choice of words with that "gave you two out of three."

- Janice paying Bobby's kids off with food and TV is smart. Had to try to find some way to get Bobby out of his funk and I suppose it worked. When he goes to that bar and does his mafia squeeze thing it's very cool.

- Ralph initially giving Tony a taste at the track was stupid considering he didn't want it, but hilarious when Tony got him to give away more and more. That's how it's done you keep holding that hand out and you gonna get that bread.

- The viewer, along with Adriana, realizes that her club is just another mob front, and that's just sad. Laughed so hard at Vito breaking the chair though. The way that part played out made it seem like it could have been real, even though it obviously wasn't. Those fucks could have at least fixed the chair!

- LOL at the sketch of Junior on the news. Also at finding out all Janice did was re-heat Carmela's lasagna, didn't cook anything at all. Seems like Bobby actually likes Janice so he's completely blind to it.

- I laughed at the agents just wasting time until Adriana was to start ratting people out. Easy to wait her out. Especially when people go into her club and ride into her office without permission and shit.

- Ralph not paying his vet bill and laying it off on Tony was a good idea. If he's gonna take so much of the winnings from the horse why not?  Meanwhile, oh no Adriana hittin' up that heroin.

Video:

Tony pulled money from betting Ralph - The Sopranos HD 720p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKbBF2u2QPM#ws)

Good episode, not too eventful, but big on plot development.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 11, 2012, 06:55:58 PM
EVERYBODY HURTS

- Chris all strung out and shit be strange. This is why you don't do drugs gonna have to leave and shit, then can't be ready and aware to do your job. His conversation with Tony while high is very funny. Tony putting all this faith in him when Chris is constantly fucked up is real unfortunate.

- I laughed at AJ taking these other kids to Satriale's instead of the Bing.

- Tony found out through Carmela that Gloria went on to commit suicide, and uh, I'm not quite sure how to react to that. Dunno what to say other than that's one crazy way to find out. Crazy that her former co-workers are going around telling everyone that Gloria killed herself. That's p. messed up, I would be bothered if somebody else did that when I did.

- Artie getting conned is messed up, but I never tire of the arguments between he and Charmaine which such things are coming to pass. Why he would go to Ralph with this shit I have no idea. That's the last of all people I would want to know about it. Good that Ralph was to pass on it.

- Hey, a Melfi appointment! She's been heavily pushed aside this season. Tony is being fucked up towards her though, getting all nearly violent and shit. Now he goes over to Artie's and confronts him about asking Ralph for money. It's a con scheme from the start and everyone should know it. Tony doesn't seem to be attempting to take advantage of him though, he's hurt over the Gloria thing so he's trying to help Artie out. The subsequent vision is real weird and he does wake up in a better mode, but after Tony hears the buzzer in Carmela's kitchen he snaps back to depressed mode. Then hooks Brian up with one of Patsy's suits to make himself feel better.

- lol'd at AJ and his girl ready to get busy with the music and shit goin' when Carmela showed up. AJ thinking he'd be able to use Meadow's dorm to get laid was ridiculous. Was awesome when they followed Meadow's directions and got dropped off in the straight out hood. AJ and his girl comparing white people problems and that like was something I could do without.

- For some reason I get the feeling Artie's expecting to get laid, or WORST CASE a blowjob from this French hostess chick. Charmaine being onto this as a scam from jump was great.

- Tony being all nice to everyone here is a nice change. And he approves of Bobby as a good guy which pleases Janice. Tony and Janice eating together at Vesuvio is SO weird. LOL'D at Tony asking Artie to put all this stuff on his tab, but Artie knows he's in some shit. His rehearsal of his upcoming confrontation with Jean-Philippe is one of my favorite scenes in the whole show. So here we are, Artie confronting the French guy. Artie tries to fuck the guy up and this shit doesn't go too well. Amazing (not in a good way) how he gets owned and thrown out of the guy's house.

- AJ's friend talking about how close AJ is to getting laid is real awkward.

- Artie all depressed, with a torn out ear and drunk as fuck is unfortunate. He gets suicidal and aw man I thought the first time through that he might die. However, we see him at the hospital and he has not perished. Artie thinks Tony is gonna be all solid over the debt, but nope, not really, he'll just have his tab cleared and find a way to collect the money himself. Artie inferring that Tony knew this would happen is messed up but the natural conclusion somebody would come to. Tony did not do something like that though. And then, he doesn't want the poor guy to have everyone think he was suicidal (as well as Tony to have another reason for people to hate him), and makes up a story for him.

- The French guy opening the door to Furio, who ostensibly was gonna collect the money, was funny stuff.

Videos:

artie collects payment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epEaNNBMcmo#)

Another good one. Low on YouTube fodder but another strong episode. However, no Ralph around means this was pretty irrelevant to the grand goings-on of S4. The show is also starting to suffer from Paulie not being around. Johnny too!
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 12, 2012, 11:21:17 AM
WATCHING TOO MUCH TELEVISION

- YES PAULIE IS BACK. Chris makes a good joke about Paulie getting laid in jail all the time. Tony bringing this guy Brian around all the time is p. funny. He gives Tony some great ideas though.

- Adriana getting ideas about what she can do to the FBI from (what seemed like) Law and Order was hilarious, I've never understood why people take those shows as gospel for how laws and shit can be circumvented, but of course that's quite common.

- Furio calling Carmela just to do it was awkward for the viewer. Making up some shit about sunglasses is a good idea. Might run that game in the future.

- The best of Brian's ideas comes up here, defrauding HUD. The camera cutting away from that scene was odd, as if it was done so that regular folk didn't get ideas from it. Tony insulating himself by letting Ralph run point on the scam was smart, but Zellman saying that he was saying Irina was not smart. lol at the dick doctor being the front guy for this scheme.

- AJ bringing up room service in the middle of Tony's conversation about his great-grandfather building that stone church just about sums it all up. Whatever it didn't, was summed up when AJ asked why Tony was talking about all the Italians going there on Sunday, except for well, him. Surprised that he told his son he's buying those hood ass houses. Then these people walk up and "You blow your father with that mouth" AMAZING.

- "Maybe Darwin was right, nature does weed out the nimrods" while cleaning off his tie from dropping ketchup or whatever on it. Agent Harris = nimrod.

- Adriana telling Chris about not being able to have kids was some sad shit. I want kids too so I have strange mixed feelings about this. I wouldn't fly off the handle but you know, hard to not have kids and get married anyway. But when you love someone, how do you not get married to them, regardless of the reasons agaisnt it? Of course, Chris has to go shoot up before making any sort of major decision. And what do you know he decides to get married.

- "Extend to me the same courtesy you would a crack addict" lol, good comment by Melfi.

- This making youth gangbangers go out and clear these houses is messed up. Ew that crack house is fucking gross, but it was funny watching everyone jump out the house in various ways. But then those idiots shoot the guy and that wasn't the plan. "I TOLD YOU YOUNG PEOPLE THAT CRACK IS SOME BAD SHIT." They pocketed a cool 1.3 mil in this deal. Tony talking Brian into taking the watch was very, very funny. Furio getting cold feet on talking to Carmela not so much, he feels all guilty and shit.

- Paulie telling Johnny Sack about Tony's HUD scam was dumb, dumb, dumb. Laughed at Vito subsequently stripping the house of the copper pipe and all that bullshit. Zellman and the other guy basically made a ton of money out of doing very little.

- Adriana's testifying bubble getting busted sucked. Could see the life drain out of her face both then and while talking to the lawyer. The bridal shower where she's getting all this household shit is kinda depressing cause we know where this all heads. Plus she then realizes what being a wife in this world actually constitutes, and then yeah.

- Tony beating Zellman down in front of Irina was fucked up. Plus he nearly started bawling and shit to "Oh Girl." That's what we call overemotional.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Crack Den Shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMpa22h4asc#)

The Sopranos - Tony's pimp hand is strong - Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFrHhGwOdYw#)

I don't like the way the show tried to humanize Zellman here, there was no point to that. When it comes down to it, he's a sack of shit elected official that only sees the profit in his constituents, feeling all guilty and shit doesn't really come into play when you still take the money or deals offered to you. Enjoy this current storyline of AJ being absolutely clueless to everything that goes on around him. He just doesn't get life. Good way to waste an hour.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 12, 2012, 11:38:46 AM
AJ is probably like one of the straight up least intelligent characters to ever appear on a TV drama. I'm having a real hard time trying to think of someone dumber, from any show.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 12, 2012, 06:01:18 PM
MERGERS AND ACQUISITIONS

- Sad to find out that Furio's dad is close to dying, but the replacement driver being Paulie is weird as it gets. Because of Tony's track record with mom's he just doesn't want to hear about Paulie's at all.

- Chris as heir apparent just ain't gonna work. Guy tried writing Tony's instructions down on a pillowcase, but that isn't the issue, the issue is what Tony is going to find to occupy his time.

- This Valentina is hilarious, got Ralph to step in horse shit. She's at least a 9.

- This picture of Paulie that he places on his mom's dresser is hilarious. Paulie's when I was growing up, "you two were old ladies, and now I'm old and you two are old ladies" gag was great. Finding out there was a nursing home clique was messed up. Paulie's mom getting asked off the casino night blackjack table was cold.

- Tony's home theater room becomes a good plot device, but what I really wanted to mention was Tony calling Ralph a dead-beat that needed cropped out of his painting of Pie-O-My. I laughed. Also laughed at Tony banging Valentina out like immediately. Ralph is the kind of POS who needs cut out of the picture in every way. Ha at her loosening up the salt-shaker for Tony to pour it all over his food. Lol at Tony going to throw her food out the window. Even bigger at Tony writing on the card + gift to her "It was great while it lasted." Then we're topped off with Tony playing a prank on Carmela, when he had promised never to pour cold water on her in the shower again. BAD IDEA.

- Paulie trying to lean on this Principal Cirillo with the intention of getting the two moms to get along was cool. Everyone should try to help out their mom or be supportive when stuff takes place.

- Welp, Carmela finds the fake fingernail of Valentina's in Tony's clothes and that cannot be good.

- Tony finding out that Chris and Silvio are incapable of doing things correctly is embarrassing, yet something we knew the whole time. Okay Valentina's like a 9.5. Or more. Voice is weird though. Tony first hearing that Ralph is a sexual deviant cracked me up all the way. Hearing about Ralph wanting his dick rubbed raw with a cheese grater was hilarious. Tony's comment to Melfi about "penisary contact" was excellent.

- Carmela finally going out to the duck feed thing and taking Tony's cash while he was singing "Another Brick in the Wall Part 2" was great. About fucking time.

- Aw Paulie's mom wants to go home. That's wrong, not right, and all of that shit. Nor is the director of Green Grove pointing out all her faults. And wtf she's a tattle-tale.

- By the way Furio's dad died and he was told by an OG that messing with Carmela wasn't a good idea, unless he was to kill Tony. But he does love her. Funny how Carmela was watching some Mario Batali program about Naples and then went into a trance once again.

- Ralph telling Tony he's never been fucked so hard, so good by anyone as well as Valentina was amazing.  Then Adriana throwing Ralph's money back at him was GOAT.

- HAHAHA YES AT BENNY AND LITTLE PAULING CHASING THIS PRINCIPAL DUDE THROUGH THE HALLWAYS AND HE HAS A BROKEN ARM WHEN HE MEETS BACK UP WITH HIS MOM. YES!

- So now, we find out that Valentina broke up with Ralph. All because of some more weird shit that Ralph wanted her to do. Tony rejects her and gets slapped. Great stuff.

- Janice making terrible, mishapen shirts = awesome. Telling Tony about Ralph's weird sexual shit is even better. She's all like how can I do this to anyone and then Tony's like bam here's 3 grand DO IT NOW. LOL fucking him with a strap-on that's some weirdo shit.

- Tony finally discovers the lack of funds in his bird feed, and uh, the fake fingernail too. That's not good for him. At this point it's very clear what we're building towards this season. Tony pretty much knows what happened to his money but is not going to complain about it.

Video:

The Sopranos - Ralph's Fetish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIPvY3FjGU#)

Closing scene was a chart topper. Mentioned the backyard to AJ so that Carmela knows he knows, but AJ's just like, alright whatever and doesn't know what to say about it.  That was a really tense scene without anything happening in it. That being said, the one fault in this Ralph storyline is that he got Tracee pregnant, and uh, I'm pretty sure that features somebody getting off in a normal way.  As such it's strange for him to be this kind of weirdo.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 12, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
WHOEVER DID THIS

- Junior taking a header down the steps was something I totally figured was going to happen. Press be too close to people and knocked him down the steps what a jerk ass.

- Tony is totally attached to this horse, to the point of taking Carmela to meet her, and well that's a something. My attachment to horses is nothing like that at all, I went horse-riding and thought it was an awful experience.

- Shocked that Ralph would catch on to Paulie being the guy who told Johnny about the Ginny mole joke. That being said, the prank call to Paulie's mom was totally fucked up. Paulie was caught "sucking a cub scout's dick" what delivery on that line. Oh no she was going to give Ralph her medical insurance number before they hung up. Wrong.

- Ralph in the bathtub to "I Need You" LOL but then the maid tells him some shit's gone on with his kid and that sucks a massive one. WTF this kid got hit by Robin Hood or some shit got an arrow poking out of his chest. Ralph getting treated like shit at the ER how unfair is that but then he calls his ex-wife a cunt and my sympathy immediately erodes. Rosalie says "he's gonna be alright" and in the next cut says "he's gonna be a vegetable" how unfortunate.

- Tony has a great idea with Junior playing up his injuries, but when it comes down to it, er...he's not so well off. More on that later. Junior seems to be all mad all the time. LOL at Svetlana taking Junior his new nurse, and telling Janice that's she's boring basically. Then Janice cries. Ha.

- Ralph with Father Phil is a clash. This caring and more sympathetic version of Ralph seems like an attempt at slight redemption before the fall. Creating a scholarship at Rutgers in Jackie Jr's name too.

- AJ getting all butthurt about Tony messing with him was completely ridiculous. And yet, with AJ out of the room, Tony and Carmela have nothing to say to each other. As has happened a lot this season.

- So Tony then completely lays him being with Valentina on Ralph. Can't be a better time than now, after all, why would Ralph care about that at this moment?  Paulie doesn't say shit to him though and then complains to Tony about the prank call to his mom. Paulie saying he'd kill Ralph if he had concrete proof was funny.

- OH NO Pie-O-My is dead cause of a fire at the stables. That ain't right. Tony is, of course, immediately suspicious. Ralph's reaction does nothing to help matters. And here comes the most completely surprising scene in the whole show. Tony comes straight out and accuses Ralph of killing the horse due to the 200k to be made from an insurance policy taken out on the horse. Ralph says the horse is no good so it's a great thing so that's pretty obvious he did this and er, no wonder Tony gets fuckin' mad. A season and a half of frustration let out right here as Ralph and Tony go toe to toe for their lives. I can think of better things in life than getting hit by a hot frying pan. When Ralph grabbed the ant spray who knew what the fuck was gonna happen. lol'd at "SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL INNOCENT CREATURE WHATDIDSHEEVERDOTAYOU" And damn this dude Ralph gets strangled straight to fuckin' death. Soon after Tony puts his hand on a hot burner which fuckin' hurts bad.

- Now, right after this killing, we cut to Chris shooting up. What a waste he is. AND HE FALLS OUT RIGHT BACK ON THE COUCH WHAT THE FUCK. Back to Ralph's place, and we find out that Ralph's code name is "the contractor," right when Chris is scratching his neck like a dope fiend. "WHOEVER DID THIS. IT SHOULDA HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO" but Chris is so high that he can't even pay attention. "You gonna lecture me now? You fuckin' drug addict." LOL at Ralph's HAIRPIECE coming off right before the chopping up part. I found Ralph's head going into the bowling bag very, er, odd.

- I love shows like this where they give you the grim details of a major crime, like a murder or whatever the fuck. Basically how it's covered up and all that shit.  Chris trying to dig into the dead frozen ground was amusing. The backhoe is where it's at, Chris trying to operate it was even funnier than his attempt to dig into the frozen ground. Head goes in hole and Ralph is now disposed of. To the Bing to shower, burn their clothes, then they're done.

- Junior walking down the street like a mental patient was very amusing, at first I thought he may be taking his fake illness a little too seriously, but when he asked for ice cream at the neighbors that was just real weird and made me think there was something truly wrong with him.

Videos:

Tony Soprano kills Ralph Cifaretto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x5uO2NyWOQ#ws)

Sopranos-Tony&Chrissy clean up after Ralph (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbqrzn6Jelk#)

Back half of the episode was an all-timer. Long time in coming too. To answer the major questions people have, yes, I think Chris knew exactly what happened, yes I think Tony was motivated to carry this out in part because of what happened in University with Tracee, and yes, I think Ralph set the stable fire. Yet, when it comes to the latter, he doesn't care about Ralph's reason for doing it (having to pay to help out his kid). This is one of the most discussed episodes so rather than add more I'll let it lie.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 13, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
THE STRONG, SILENT TYPE

- OH NO CHRIS KILLED THE DOG. Worst and saddest thing I've seen on this show to this point in the rewatch. Fuck he just sat right on it.

- Tony acting like Ralph is missing and that he's worried about it was uh, a good idea. Then Tony saw the painting of he and Pie-O-My and hit full out rock bottom depression. Tony getting mad over the horse painting wasn't a good idea as now people have the idea he's prone to acting irrationally, and that he killed Ralph.

- Furio now realizes that he's way out of place in this country and doesn't seem to be in the best mood. No special present in the bag for Carmela, while he's sitting there in the car crying, which is way strange.

- Oh man and now Tony's crying too. WTF IS GOING ON HERE. Ain't no strong and silent going on here. And then Adriana again when she sees the dog at her meeting with the fed.

- Chris is an idiot, now he's leaving Paulie and Sil so he can try to cop a fix. But these dudes take his car and beat the shit out of him which is a bad idea. This guy who helped him home was a straight fiend asking for money and shit. Ah Chris now hitting Adriana starting to hate him real bad. What a sack of shit.

- Paulie saving Tony's picture was funny though, a laugh needed after that shitshow earlier. He's all proud to hang it up in his house and shit, then he realizes it's like having Tony watch him all the time, and that isn't any good. Especially considering that he's been having loose lips of late.

-LOL AJ saying "why do I always have to come here," meaning Furio's house, the kid is literally dumber than many 6 year olds. Carm and Furio are like, having a moment here. AJ is a butthead for real. Carmela's conversation with Ro is uh, just a little weird to me. Anyway...

- AH YES THE INTERVENTION IS COMING. First we have the pre-meeting, where we see Paulie being super-cynical. Like a beyond cynic.

- Cut-in to Johnny confronting Tony about his HUD deal. Trying to dip in when the deal had none of New York's involvement, just because they share the congressman. Nice of Tony to pass the Ralph killing off onto New York.

- INTERVENTION. I don't know which part's the best but Paulie standing up and telling Chris to sit down was good. OH SHIT at Adriana saying Chris could no longer function as a man. Tony is so disgusted by finding out he killed his dog. Silvio's story was amazing. Paulie goes HAM on him and then Chris is about to bring up Pine Barrens and shit, then starts bringing up shit about Silvio and Tony that's a major mistake. THEN CALLED HIS MOM A WHORE AND EVERYONE GOES ALL NUTS ON HIM SMACKING HIM AND SHIT WHAT AN AMAZING SCENE. Chris saying he slipped off the counter spraying for ants at the hospital was funny.

- Even not considering the other shit Carmela's going through, Tony sleeping with a one-legged woman would throw her over the top I mean shit that's crazy. AND RIGHT ON JUN'S COUCH HOW COULD HE?

- So Chris checks in and shit, finds out he can't call for the first two weeks at the rehab facility. NO CHOCOLATE WHAT?

- I always thought this last scene was supposed to give you the false impression of Carmela meeting Furio at his house and shit, until now anyway. Then I realized it's not that at all.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Chrissy kills Adriana's dog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyU49CpYRwc#)

The Sopranos - Christopher's intervention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_peSCECc4I#)

Tony recast as Napoleon in the picture was a neat touch to cap off another strong outing. It's all so good...
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 13, 2012, 05:13:41 PM
CALLING ALL CARS

- Ew at Ralph having a caterpillar crawling upon his head. So strange. But even stranger was Tony's then jumping to the topic of saying it went nowhere, like this therapy. He's venting big time right here, but can't see the big picture. He's been helped a lot by therapy, gets good ideas for work and all that shit.

- Bobby burying the birthday cake at his wife's grave was sweet, he is hardcore depressed. I never, ever expected Bobby to become a serious character in this show. It's so weird, yet it feels right too.

- 40% on Tony's HUD business DAMN these New Yorkers are overreaching big time. Funny how Tony calls back and offers Carmine 5.5% LOL. Paulie meeting with Johnny once again behind Tony's back is fucked up. And he puts himself forward should New York decide they want a leadership change. Heh.

- So Tony's appraisal guy gets his shit beat up and told that he don't work for Tony anymore. Now how does Paulie put himself forward to go after Johnny's guys? Don't quite get that part.

- AJ at dinner is such a moron and bad example for Bobby's kids. Worst example you could find for any kid. HEY IT'S BEANSIE! Set up a meeting between Tony and Little Carmine (who we have not seen yet). Lol at Carmela cockblocking AJ by bringing Bobby's kids into the room. Also, Tony is onto Paulie passing on info from his family to Carmine's. LOL at AJ playing ouija board with them and asking if Bobby Jr is gay. It's even better when AJ does a mock seance with them. That's my favorite scene of his. FUCKING LOL at him dousing Bobby Junior with water from the sponge. I haven't laughed so hard at anything in this whole show ever in my life. "IT'S RAINING WHERE YOU ARE? WAVES ARE SMASHING AGAINST THE BOAT?" Could fall out with laughter right now. The adults are pissed of course. What a horrible idea this was.

- So now Tony's guys fuck the appraiser up. This guy's life must suck a big one. "Go back in the house, get your appraising shit, and START APPRAISING."

- Bobby not paying his wife's funeral bill over some dispute was funny. Janice is being a bitch to him though.

- Tony lies way too much in therapy, but at least for once he corrected himself. And he doesn't want to do this anymore, so he's gonna check out. Therapy over....right?

- Janice telling Bobby Jr. about the ouija board through instant message in his house was MESSED UP. Ha, Bobby complains to her about what happened with his kids, but what can she do? Well, what she can do is find a way for Bobby to blame himself for this happening to his kids. So sneaky. Also gets him to eat his wife's ziti. Some real next level shit going on there. Dunno if I'd eat that shit though look how long its been in the freezer.

- So, uh, Junior's case is not going to be dismissed. Apparently he is competent to stand trial. Bobby assures him by saying they'll get to a juror.

- So Tony has a meeting with Little Carmine in Miami and gets out his own narrative of this situation. Drops in another moulinyan bomb saying that New York tried to steal his guy. The dream which succeeds this scene is strange. I don't understand it.


Can't find any videos, but that's irrelevant. It's apparent that Ralph not being around is having a very harmful impact on Tony's life, no matter how much Tony hated Ralph, in many ways he was glue that held the ship together. Keep dropping these parts and eventually everything will fall apart. Which it does very shortly. If the therapy scenes were really over, I'd have been happy with that. At this point there's not a whole lot of ground for Tony and Melfi to cover.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 14, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
ELOISE

- Prosecutions argument against Junior was really lame in its delivery. Pretty sure that was the point of the scene.

- Furio wearing a Napoli jacket & kit, very authentic. AJ doesn't even say hello to Furio what a dickhead. Hilarious that Carmela wouldn't accept the getaway that Tony offered. Furio seems like he wants to strangle Tony when Tony calls Carmela a moody bitch.

- Carmine is really insistent on this 40% cut of the HUD scam. Not in a good way either. His son doesn't do a very good job of keeping him from getting riled up.

- Furio and Carm were like real close to you know, a moment.

- LOL at the old ladies wrecking their car. Old people driving on the road is one of my biggest fears, they're a danger to society. People who can't use their legs properly shouldn't be operating a motor vehicle. Paulie getting all smart with the woman at the hospital was hilarious.

- Furio is SO MAD at Tony dancing with this broad at the casino. This Brian guy can't hold his shit. The part at the chopper was interesting in that if you didn't know the show was going to go on any longer, Furio throwing Tony into the chopper was a total possibility. Especially considering that everything happens in the one before the finale. Why would anyone stand this close to a chopper blade? As we now see, Furio's late in picking up Tony, and the only assumption to be made is that he checked out of town.

- Johnny knows that Carmine's new proposal is fucked up, but makes it anyway cause of whatever his intentions are.

- Carmela finds out that Furio is actually gone and seems very bothered by that. Seeing him was one of the last things she was holding onto. Of course, because of her current mood, the dinner at Meadow's place doesn't go so well for her. Tony's being surprisingly nice. The conversation about Billy Budd being a gay book is very funny. Never read that, so no comment, but Carmela is raging.

- Big lol at Tony having Carmine's restaurant destroyed. Cause if you want a deal to be figured out, that's what you do!

- Paulie and Sil having that little argument/discussion about the size of Paulie's envelopes was hilarious. OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH Paulie calling Sil a wormy cocksucker, things getting a little crazy here.

- Carmela straight out ran to the restroom at the possibility of Tony having said something to Furio about their little non-thing that was kind of a thing. She's at home bawling which really sucks to see to be honest.

- DAMN THESE WOMEN ARE TAKING THE WHOLE FUCKIN TABLE HOME WITH THEM. ROLLS, SWEET AND LOW, SUGAR, NAPKINS, WHAT THE FUCK...

- ESPLANADE HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN BY NEW YORK WOW OVERREACTION.

- Oh yes some old school JUROR INTIMIDATION GOING ON. I LOVE IT.

- Carmela and Meadow's scene at the restaurant was filled with PMS for real. Carmela is all over Meadow for an assortment of reasons. OOOO ARE YOU JEALOUS CAUSE YOU AND DAD ARE MIDDLE-AGED ICE COLD. THEN CARMELA CALLS HER A CHILD AH SHIT BURN SESSION GOING ON HERE. DO YOU WANT ME TO TRANSFER TO MONTCLAIR STATE THEN I CAN DROP OUT LIKE YOU DID OHHHHHH SHIT. Some vengeful shit going on here.

- Paulie approaching Carmine only to be treated like a foreign citizen was very, very funny. Carmine didn't even know who he was. At that moment Paulie knew he was being played for a moron.

- Carmela walking in while Tony was gorging on food could only be a bad thing. I mean this dude had the whole cabinet and fridge on his kitchen table. OOO Carmela saying she could deal without ever seeing Meadow again DAMN. AJ relaying his stories of visiting Furio's pretty much put Meadow on the trail of what's been going on with Carmela, but the kid was too clueless to ever know that himself.

- Paulie breaking into this old lady's house was funny to be honest, and to some extent I found it appropriate for these women who treated Paulie's mom like shit to be stolen from, or well, something. Funny when she kicked Paulie in the nuts. But Paulie killing her was FUCKED UP, on another level from what I could have left at. Does it get colder than this? On that note, his envelope to Tony this time was huge. Paulie was just hoping he wouldn't get in trouble.

- Tony somehow pegs the idea that Carmela feels unfulfilled while talking with Meadow. WELL NO SHIT.

- WHOA Johnny brings up the idea of whacking Carmine. I'd never have thought. The first time anyway. Of course, they talk in code so Tony didn't quite pick up on it until Johnny got out of his car.

- Last scene describes everything Carmela wanted to be.

Videos:

Furio thinking to kill Tony - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiQOH7BwVwI#ws)

Sopranos-Paulie does a granny! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2TxmX_QQTA#)

The Sopranos - Tony And Carmela Talk About Meadow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vyzjAdHkUQ#ws)

So much shit going on here, set up for a huge finale. That episode is very long and tough to watch at times so that's for a different day. Unreal level of activity over this hour, the rewatch value is off the charts so I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 16, 2012, 06:56:12 PM
WHITECAPS

- We find out from Patsy that Chris is leaving rehab. Good stuff.

- Johnny tightening the belt at home. GOTTA DO IT. Esplanade is shut down and shit.

- One thing about living on the shore and stuff like that pretty much anywhere on the east coast, HURRICANES would keep me from doing it. No thanks to that, but it would be great to live in a place like that. Even here in California. AJ says "UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE" at the idea. Carmela can't help but want to purchase the house even though she's been through a lot of shit the last little while and she wasn't a huge fan of the idea in the first place.

- Tony putting Chris through the ringer post-rehab is kinda fucked up. Gave him too much of a hard time in the car ride. Tony's demands for getting rid of Carmine are very interesting. That's some high leverage shit, 60/40 on construction and nothing to New York on the HUD scheme.

- Tony getting this Sapinsly fuck to screw over the other buyer on the house was a slick move. When it comes down to it, EVERYONE (but Charmaine) does what he wants at some point. Was morbid for him to say you'll inherit this to his kids, couldn't help but laugh.

- "Still we here when it's wop whackin' time in Brooklyn" great quote.

- Oh and now everything's headed to shit. Irina has called and spoken to AJ, now Carmela picks up and we're gonna get wild. "I used to fuck your husband" WHOA SHIT. Carm just hung up and here we go again. She says Tony's been sleeping with her cousin Svetlana (whom Carmela has met before). OOOOOHHH I WILL TRACK YOU DOWN AND KILL YOU IF YOU CALL HERE AGAIN. Now all Tony's shit's flying out the upstairs window, or down the stairs and onto him. I really hate this part. What's crazy is how Tony is all sweating and shit so this seems mad realistic. Many actors aren't able to pull things off to this level but these two do. Tony's hypocrisy in saying "at least I never stole from you" was chilling.

- Svetlana's conversation with Tony was interesting, all this is because of what happened with Zellman, according to her anyway. All the events are partially caused by federal witholding lol.

- So Chris is now destined not to have kids with Adriana. Good info for the future.

- Tony being told to get out of the beach house after staying the night was comical. It's surprising that through all of this he has not had a panic attack. That Alan guy gave him some sleazy advice of meeting with all the divorce attorneys in the area. Then Tony tells him that he has to flake out on the house and things are destined to get a bit shit in that regard. I'm surprised this guy is going so hard against Tony when everyone knows he's a mob boss.

- I laughed at Chris being dragged along to Tony's meeting with Carmine. Funny to see him put in this position talking to a whole bunch of heavy hitters. So Carmine gets 15%, but all kinds of shit has already been put in motion.

- Even Artie knows about what happened with Carmela and Tony shit spreads around fast. Johnny is fuming during his phone conversation with Tony at the Vesuvio.

- LOL at Paulie saying Johnny Sack and Ralph were in bed in some way. OOOOH "I'd put her shit out on the curb" damn Paulie is a cold bastard. This Alan guy trying to keep Tony's deposit was massively fucking stupid. "You must think I'm a fuckin' thug," that was a great comment.

- Oh no at Tony trying to come home and get in the fridge. He thought he was going to run Carmela over as he does everyone else. This episode is real emotionally draining. Even after she said she didn't love him anymore he got in the fridge. Yikes. It was funny when Tony said he's gonna take a  bigger hand in AJ's life, maybe if he'd done that before it would have been better. Or maybe the opposite and AJ would have turned out worse.

- Tony decides to call the Carmine hit off. So Chris goes to pay these guys half, and they get iced when he has Benny and some other dude roast these dudes and get the money back. WHOA. Smart move cause now, the hired guns can never say shit to anyone.

- Oh no now Tony's in the pool, and they argue again. Now we're at the 'I ain't gonna do shit for you' stage. Oh man at Tony's attitude now being critiqued. Correctly I would add. This scene in the theater room is too much, I mean....wow. Tony's rant about the way old gangsters were, responded to by Carmela bringing up Furio and being infatuated with him was probably the craziest thing heard in this show. Period, end of story. Tony's descendence into pure hatred, disgust, and violence was too much, I don't have any other words to describe it at all. His response to that was even worse. Wasn't a good idea to hang up on Melfi when she had answered her phone by the way. Oh no AJ trying to move in the theater room with him now. A bad idea if there ever was one. It's also odd to see her get defended by Tony.

- Deadlocked jury still, lol. Junior's gonna go free. Good idea to hit up that juror. The guy trying to be all friendly afterward was kind of an idiot. Junior didn't want a party or any of that shit. Also Janice and Bobby being all lovey towards each other was something that I NEVER would have expected in the second season when these two characters were introduced. NEVER EVER.

- I love this thing with the Dean Martin concert playing out in the bay. That's how you ruin somebody's day, when he called the boat some goomba trash, it made it easy to enjoy this scene taking place.

- Johnny is REALLY upset that Tony didn't have Carmine disposed of. He hates Carmine and his son so he does not want to go back to work for him, and well doesn't everyone have those kinds of feelings.

- Tony is back in the house again, how unfortunate. Supposedly just stopped by to pick up a few things, but that isn't the real reason he's there. Oh man we're having the talk now. AJ thinking Tony leaving was because of him asking Tony if he could live with him was very typical of his character. This episode should have ended with AJ and Carmela watching Tony drive away, but we lurch back to the boat shit and Tony's guys putting the squeeze on the beach house owners. I didn't really like that much.

Videos:

carmella loses it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St3D1iqumpk#ws)

The Sopranos Carmella and Tony Face off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9oY7zpan18#ws)

Great episode but it's emotionally draining to the max and I intend never to watch it again. Same reason I won't watch Six Feet Under again. It's like getting hit with a sledgehammer over and over. In any case, this episode was a long time in coming, and seemed like the right thing to do with the show at this point.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 16, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
[Dean Martin] Jesus Christ I love Vegas [/Dean Martin]

Anyway this might be some of the best acting in the history of television. It is draining but seeing this masterclass at work is worth every minute. Fitting end to the most underrated season.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 07:25:34 AM
TWO TONYS

- I love the opening shot, outside the house having leaves blown all over the place, grey skies, pool covered with a bunch of standing water on top, and Meadow running over the newspaper in the driveway. Meadow's car is real dirty too, gross.

- As we see, Phil Leotardo, Feech, and Tony B are coming out of the pen. Tony's reaction to seeing Tony B on the tube was very funny. As we also see Janice and Bobby are now married. Interesting to see Janice trying to do the Sunday dinner thing. This is totally un-Janice of her. OH at AJ backtalking his mom, then going outside only to see a BIG ASS BEAR IN THE BACKYARD WHOA SHIT. AJ's all crying and shit which was hilarious.

- lol at Tony getting all into Prince of Tides. Reminds him of himself. So then, presumably the next day, he has flowers sent to Melfi along with a gallon of Tide. Then inviting Melfi to dinner wasn't a great idea.

- lol at Chris and Paulie telling the other guys about what happened down at the Pine Barrens. Chris saying that Paulie overreacted made shit get all out of hand. This is an amazing argument, one of their best.

- OH SHIT THE BEAR IS THERE AGAIN. By the way, the show's making it extremely obvious that the bear is a metaphor for Tony, invading Carmela's space whenever it wants to. Tony is there now, goes outside, but doesn't get to take a look at the bear. Anywho, the reason Tony showed up in the first place was to give Carmela her money, as we now know. Ensuing argument lets us know that Tony wants Furio dead.

- First sighting of Feech is taking place, "the biggest change for me is broads shaving their bushes" HA. His story about the first day in jail was excellent. Stage is set immediately for tension when we find out Feech has told Junior and Bobby about the bear at the house.

- Little Paulie hanging out in the backyard with the AK was quite a visual. MAN THEY GOT A GRENADE TOO AT THE SOPRANO HOUSE. Was funny how he got all scared of the bear while outside and decided to spend the rest of his shift in the bathroom.

- LOL at Chris trying to bail out of paying for dinner, leaving Paulie holding the bag. A really bad idea is what that is. YOU OWE ME 860 DOLLARS NOW, even though Paulie insisted on paying.

- Carmine has egg salad, good playing on that theme as he collapses and has a stroke or whatever the fuck. Johnny hasn't forgotten what happened last year, and seems to hold a grudge over it. More on that front in the future.

- Tony showing up at Melfi's office with the intent of taking her out is real uncomfortable to watch. Funny at the same time though. The first scene is left unresolved until later.

- So now we're in AC and Chris is definitely screwed into paying a HUGE dinner tab. I laughed at Chris saying under his breath that Paulie needs glasses. LOL these two arguing over the dinner and shit totally laughable. Oh man this part is fucked up, the waiter says he only got 16 bucks on a tip (which is fucked), then calls Chris and Paulie fucking assholes what a mistake. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHH ROCK TO THE BACK OF THE HEAD AND THE GUY'S HAVING A SEIZURE AND SHIT so Paulie doesn't know what to do and SHOOTS HIM RIGHT IN THE CHEST, STEALS CHRISTOPHER'S MONEY BACK AND THEY RUN AWAY. Whoa. Chris and Paulie's spat is immediately over, done, and forgotten about.

- Melfi finishes up a group therapy session, and who else could be waiting outside but Tony. Yikes, now he's trying to give Melfi cruise tickets. At the very end he calls her a cunt which perfectly sums up in so many words why she wouldn't want to date him. When he doesn't get his way, he totally loses his shit, as he does here. Everything Melfi says is the truth, of course. Now Tony's all mad, sulking and shit, and decides to take a shift in the backyard on bear patrol.

Videos:

Sopranos-Paulie&Chris The Pine Barrens Retold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5kpG1D0ccQ#)

The Sopranos- Paulie and Chrissy Kill a Waiter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwisejuNOro#)

Great season opener. For some reason I remember the later seasons as not being nearly as good as the first three, but these episodes are kinda blowing that out of the water.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 09:35:20 AM
RAT PACK

- The FBI following around this contractor guy, plus his ensuing comments to Tony, lets us know that we have a new rat. And the rat apparently think his mom's in hell.

- We then get a montage of, well, presumably, a rat pack. Adriana and Ray are now shown. Adriana gives the feds some info about a guy who got murdered and Ray's at the FBI office correcting some audio hiccups that they had with his bug. And then, we know that the prosecutors don't have shit to put on Tony for a trial. They also don't see the purpose of putting him on trial when the mob found a way to get Junior off.

- lol at Junior saying these dandelions were like eating red fescue. But see here, now we know something's wrong with Junior when he asks for eggs twice. That shit's not very normal. So Carmine's dead. We cut to the funeral, where we see Phil Leotardo and Lady Shylock for the first time. Epic level dickhead. Little Carmine & Johnny have a full blowout over some rosary beads. Little Carmine calls Opus Dei a fundamentalist cult, don't even know what Opus Dei is.

- Chris in a club when he doesn't drink is not a great situation. And at home he complains about it, which he should.

- Tony B is wearing the most 80's style suit you could possibly imagine. It's real weird to see Buscemi in this role after Boardwalk Empire. How awkward when Tony B has to say that he's been away on business. Cause how can you explain that you've been locked up for years. Right at this moment I could see that Carmela and Tony's separation wasn't going to last very long. I don't know if it should have or shouldn't have. Tony's story about he and Tony B as kids was touching.

- LOL at Sun ta-zu...that's what Paulie calls him anyway. Johnny Sack and Tony having a conversation while Johnny is on the shitter is too weird.

- MASSAGE THERAPY. Tony B is wise try to go legit, but as we know based on events in this show, it's borderline impossible for anyone to go straight. The temptations are just too great. Even still, he goes straight with help, cause he can't drive and shit, Tony has to hook him up with a divers license and what not.

- The theater room at the Soprano house is so damn dark that even I would fall asleep if I tried to watch a movie there. The women tried to have a film club discussion but immediately it deterioriates into a gossip fest. Even Janice is complaining about her marriage and its only been a few months.

- Sanseverino's speech about the FBI being the good guys and all that was pretty gross. Didn't appeal to me at all.

- Tony B is a straight out ball breaker, but LOL at him giving fat fuck Vito a massage as well as everyone else. That was hilarious shit. Tony is too uptight and against this ballbreaking, TIME TO CRACK DOWN. Absolute power corrupts absolutely is a good phrase for this.

- This friend of Adriana's is a whore for real.

- Nice of Patsy to find out that some feds were sitting outside of the diner Tony was at with Masserone. All that is, is luck. Tony then has a meeting with him where he gives Masserone a patdown, but the fuckup there is, Masserone's bug is in his hat. LOL what a good idea. Funny that the Korean employer of Tony B wanted him fired. WOW at the hypocrisy of Tony criticizing Christopher for his suggestion to use Tony B for the hit when Tony B wanted to go straight.

- Next on the film club list, The Godfather. HA. Rosalie telling Adriana that Pussy was a rat really shook Ade up. Called Pussy a Judas, which makes Ade feel the same way. We've cut back to this part and Adriana is hitting the bottle HARD. She was gonna tell them and everything, not a great idea at all. DAMN WIPED OUT WHILE RUNNING TO THE CAR THAT SHIT HAD TO HURT. So she left.

- Was funny how Tony is all reflecting on Masserone's comments about Tony losing weight, and then he's like there's just no fuckin' way that's true. As such, it's time to get rid of the guy. Next day, Masserone's got a sock shoved into his mouth and is put in a trunk somewhere, dead.

- Adriana exposing Tina (her friends) check cashing fraud was a good way for her to give the feds info that didn't relate to Tony in any way. Plus, like I said, this Tina is a whore and it was time to cut her out of her life.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Tension Between Carmine Jr And Johnny Sack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WYjweQHzCA#ws)

The Sopranos - Tony S Reunites With Tony B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSxKrlgh9t4#ws)

Another great episode. In large part this season is about conflict resolution and what has been learned from past scenarios being put to use now. This was a great setup for everything which takes place later.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
WHERE'S JOHNNY?

- Just noticed that the name on Tony B's jacket is Luis. Very funny, don't know exactly why that's the case but was very funny. Now Tony B is hanging out with Feech and shit, when Feech sees this Sal Vitro guy while driving down the street. Tries to squeeze him out of the area by kicking him in the nuts, "HOW BOUT I FUCK OFF ALL OVER YOUR FUCKIN FACE YOU DON'T WORK THIS NEIGHBORHOOD"

- Junior has cable now, by the way. When he sees Curb on TV and confuses himself with Larry David that's hilarious. Confuses Bobby for Jeff too. He's slowly losing his grip.

- So now that Bobby's not having to mind over Junior all the time due to the trial being over, Bobby wants to be out on the street and not cooped up in a house. Because Tony depends on Bobby so much he does not want Bobby out in the mix where he can get into trouble. This is such a strange position for Bobby to be in, I know I keep harping on it but who woulda thought?

- Paulie finds out about what happened to the Vitro guy, and it's easy to see shit could get crazy later.

- First instance of Phil Leotardo being an asshole happens here. Slaps this Lady Shylock and told her YOU BETTER KICK UP TO JOHNNY SACK IN THE FUTURE. Response is "I'LL SUCK YOUR COCKS" wtf. Phil shoots his load (pun intended) and the bullet doesn't make it the whole way through the phone book. Lucky her. Considering Carmine never named a successor, New York has a conundrum between who takes the spot. LOL Junior straight disrespects Tony that's cold stuff. Tony's three headed boss idea is doomed for failure from the start, you cannot do that ever.

- "They release these fucks from the can, obviously he wasn't rehabilitated," yeah, obviously not. Paulie says give him a couple percent and this shit with Sal & Feech will be straightened out. Now we're here at a meeting between Paulie and Feech, the both of them get straight up HEATED. Of course Feech wasn't gonna back down from claiming that neighborhood for his nephew's business. OH told Paulie to get the fuck out of his store.

- Bobby Junior started wetting the bed again OHHH. Was funny for Janice to not make her own food for Sunday dinner but go to Vesuvio for a pickup. Tony trying to bury the hatchet with Artie was good, it being successful was even better. DAMN how you eat dinner without all the guests showed up. LOL at Junior saying once again that Tony never had the makings of a varsity athlete. That's straight Alzheimer's shit right there. "Small hands that was your problem" dead cold. So Tony's other sister shows up, and Junior says the exact same thing about varsity athlete and Tony gets all angry and leaves, which cracked me up.

- Neat touch to have Tony meet Johnny Sack outside of Shea Stadium. Johnny blames Tony for what's going on here, and of course, as we'd all expect, Johnny wants no part of a power sharing scheme.

- JUNIOR HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. Nobody knows where he's went to, but we see him get thrown out of a church (lol). He also has no idea which car is his. Very funny to see how well, or not well Janice watches Bobby's kids. Kid makes a glass of chocolate milk only for Janice to pour that shit down the sink.

- I love this part. Paulie sees the Lamanna landscaping operation out on the street, and after a conversation needs to take shit to the next level. WHACKED THE GUY HOLDING THE HARNESS ROPE OVER THE HEAD WITH A SHOVEL, which sends Feech's nephew out of the tree into the street. lol at Paulie taking the guy's wallet. He also wants 10% of the operation now, and he stole the lawnmower and shoved it in the trunk of his Caddy, one of my favorite parts in the whole series.

- Tony explicitly tells Chris not to say anything during this sitdown, but he can't keep his fuckin' mouth shut and Johnny burns him beyond belief. "MAYBE YOU SHOULD STILL BE WAITING IN THE CAR." He has no business being near the top of Tony's organization, just doesn't get it.

- That shot of Junior sitting on the bench staring at the un-logoed soda bottle from the factory was real well shot, as was the one of Junior walking across the bridge. He has absolutely no idea where he's going or what he's doing. His conversation with the cops was amusing, but telling the cop to shit in his hat when he got back home was even better.

- At Tony's place, where Artie has moved in, Janice and Bobby come over to have a talk. Tony is real frustrated with his uncle this time. Janice then starts in on Tony about his marriage and we know shit's gonna get buck. Bobby repeating "ROADIES" WAS AMAZING. OH Janice slaps Tony, Tony grabs her around the neck, and Artie gets hit in the eye poor fella can't catch a break.

- LOL at Paulie saying the guy jumped out of the tree with a chainsaw to come after him. Paulie signing this Vitro guy up to do everyone's grass turned out to be messed up shit. Paulie stealing off the top of the money intended for Sal's arm was uh, a typical move.

- Tony gets hit with the realization that Junior really does suffer from brain trauma and doesn't take too well to that. It's like, now he knows, and feels bad about the shit that he said.

Video:

LAWN WARS: FEECH VS. PAULIE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpa15hVj7UA#)

Show took a break from Carmela this episode, probably a good idea as no subplot between her and Tony would have fit in here. Also, I really dislike Feech, always have and always will.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 12:14:06 PM
ALL HAPPY FAMILIES...

- Tony doesn't remember that he gave the DeWalt drill to Brian, Carmela didn't do anything to it at all. LOL at the story of Tony B's seed being smuggled out of jail to create those two kids lives. Also, these little piddly arguments Tony and Carmela are now having is something that should have stopped with the separation, yet nope. They're still too entwined to prevent them.

- Welp, this Lorraine chick is dead. Phil Leotardo and his crew be some cold motherfuckers.

- lol at Silvio asking Feech to tell everyone about the time Tony robbed Feech's card game. We don't get a full story though, too bad. But Feech does ask to have his card game back, only to get 20%. LOL at LT being at the card game during Feech's first hilarious story. Turns into a ball breaking session when Tony shows up.

- Of course, AJ's grades are shit. Tony calling therapy a crutch was quite ironic. AJ being all happy about being learning disabled is too weird. Tony rewarding AJ with a brand new car was fucked up. Tony feels straight out guilty over the separation, only explanation for this stuff. But I liked what Tony said about this car sitting in the garage until AJ's grades go up.

- OOOOOH Carmela saying that Tony doesn't have real friends, just flunkies. That's harsh truth to the maximum. Words cut deep.

- Tony's letter to Melfi when re-read was very amusing, had to mention it.

- AJ is so cold to his mom trying to make small talk with him. That shit's wrong, when your mom does that you should always pay attention and stuff. Kid's an asshole, moron, etc.

- LOL DAVID LEE ROTH. Tony told a terrible joke and knew IMMEDIATELY that everything Carmela said about his friends just being flunkies was the truth. But see, Feech wasn't laughing, so that dude's someone to watch out for.

- Clearly he isn't an ass kisser like the rest. We continue on a roll of great scenes with Feech's guys stealing cars at the dick doctor's daughter's wedding. Messed up even for this show, yet typically elicits laughter. Valet runs up there with a bloody nose and fucks up the whole proceedings. Ha at "now who's a genius for keeping my Regal." When Tony finds out about this he's TOTALLY displeased.

- See, when Carmela tries to be lenient, AJ takes advantage of her in the worst way. Manuevered his way into not having to go to Meadow's, went to a hotel instead. He and his friends then acted like total tards the whole time. LOL at "INSERT WOOD" being drawn upon somebody's ass. AJ looks like a total freak, his face is stuck to the carpet, he has no eyebrows. Of course Carmela is worried sick and calls Tony. If Tony was on his way, that would have been a bad idea cause AJ walks straight through the door and looks like a freak. Then Carmela tries to chase AJ up the stairs and falls down, and her son doesn't even help her up. Dick.head. Dumbass tries to make it seem like everything's normal when Tony shows up which is a big mistake. LOL "IF YOU GOT SOME KIND OF SEXUAL PROCLIVITY WITH THAT TEACHER OR WHATEVER NOW'S THE TIME TO TELL US," amazing comment. Tony taking his side is fucked up too but is something to be expected. Anyway, now AJ's gonna go live with Tony.

- Tony meets with Feech, and their conversation doesn't go too great. He finds out that Feech did that carjacking thing, and knows that he's gotta correct this fast before things get out of hand like they did with Richie and Jackie Jr.

- Tony's plan here is foolproof. Feech is old school so there's no chance of him ratting on anyone. Chris and Benny show up at Feech's place, and ask to store these stolen flat screens in his garage. Or rather, Feech begs for the TV's to be stored in his garage. Neat trick for a substitute parole officer to show up at Feech's house, he believes that the one Feech is using has been stolen. When the officer says that Feech's garage needs to be opened, well that's obviously it for Feech, back to jail he goes.

- Flashback scenes in any show are the best, Carmela's one watching AJ zoom down the driveway on a tricycle fits into that category. It's like where does life go?

Videos:

The Sopranos - A.J. gets his eye brows shaved off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NFpjCyxRM#)

Tony Soprano Gets Rid Of Feech La Manna (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrBaFs7Rt2I#)

Feeling bad for Carmela. She's got nothing left in life, like, at all. Now with AJ gone she's going to have a hard time trying to fill it, and as we know, falls back into old habits before very long. This season is a LOT better than I remember it.  I rank them 3, 2, 1, 4 up until this point. Even the comparatively worst season of this show is better than about 95% of all television seasons in existence, so it's nitpicking really. Rolling from one great episode to the next is nice.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on December 17, 2012, 12:39:58 PM
Junior's behavior this season is based off of real-life Vincent Gigante, boss of the Genovese crime family (the most powerful of all the NY crime families) for most of the eighties.  Only difference is that Gigante faked it the entire time to avoid sentencing; walking around the streets in his bath robe, acting like a borderline retard in court, prescribing for a shit-ton of prescriptions.  The feds finally busted his shut when they placed a bug in his apartment and realized that he was a normal functioning individual in private, albeit the most powerful mobster in the country.

The shot of Carmela standing alone in the doorway of the house after flashing back to AJ riding his trike down the drive may be the saddest of the entire series.

909, you are really making me want to re-watch the series for like a fifth time now, enjoy reading your reviews and glad to hear your thoughts on the show.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 12:54:45 PM
That's hilarious re: Junior and Gigante. I can't explain why, cause I don't know why, but I've never really gotten into reading about mob history. Probably should as it always seems interesting.


It's too good rewatching it again, I think this is the fourth time I've been through. I get tired of a few episodes, just because they hit a little too hard, but the series as a whole is just as enjoyable to watch now as it was the first time I watched it. After this though, I probably won't watch it again until I find a keeper and foist watching this show upon her if she hasn't seen it already.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on December 17, 2012, 12:58:29 PM
If you read just one book on the American Mafia, this should be it:  http://www.amazon.com/Five-Families-Resurgence-Americas-Powerful/dp/0312361815/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355799447&sr=1-1&keywords=five+families (http://www.amazon.com/Five-Families-Resurgence-Americas-Powerful/dp/0312361815/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355799447&sr=1-1&keywords=five+families)

It's pretty long but a totally enthralling read.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 02:06:13 PM
IRREGULAR AROUND THE MARGINS

- lol at Meadow being at the Crazy Horse only to run into Tony. HILARIOUS. "Promise me no drinking and driving." Too weird of a clash that. Had completely and entirely forgotten about that scene. Meadow of course no longer wanted to be there once finding out Tony "had an office" there.

- So Tony is having some shit removed from his head. I can imagine that would hurt. Nice contrast in cutting to Adriana at the doctor and finding out she has IBS (so do I! Not near as bad as her's though.). Tony also lies to Carmela about what's on his head. She's drawing a picture, not to mention really bored it seems like. Chris saying that he knew someone's asshole who rotted out OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. "You listen to the President, we're gonna mop the floor with the world and they're all gonna be under our control" interesting comment by Chris.

- The conversations between Adriana and Tony in this are very awkward. Somebody put this perfectly last episode or the one before when they said everyone is drawn to Tony because his personality is bigger than life. That applies here and it explains how he pulls all this ass. Tony doing coke with Adriana is just, uh, WEIRD. That's like doing drugs with your dad or some shit. If only Tony knew that she was informing. These two nearly kissing was WAY too much. Phil interrupts though by knocking on the door.

- Well then, Tony back in therapy. Telling Melfi that he cannot under any circumstances hook up with Adriana. He doesn't think he's capable of continuing not to do anything though. Adriana is in denial of her current situation though and has it in her head she'll be leaving the state in the future. Unlikely.

- So now Adriana and Tony are headed to go get some coke. Tony asks Adriana if he could get set up with that Danielle, which was hilarious cause as we know, she's a fed and long gone. Then Adriana tells Tony to avoid a raccoon in the road and he wipes out the car. Tony can't believe that he's okay, Adriana is of course not okay at all.

- Chris hears about this accident and FLIPS HIS SHIT. At first he's dead silent, doesn't know what to say. Then thinks something was going on with her and Tony. LOL at Tony asking him to throw a shit stick in the trash, and going on to call Chris average and shit. Ouch, that's some cold shit. LOL Chris saying that Tony would fuck a catcher's mitt.

- The gossiping going on here is unreal. Bobby's was the best, when the paramedics showed up, her cock was still on his mouth. Hilarious at gay Vito saying Adriana could suck his cock any time she wants. LOL Chris calling Vito a parade float and throwing his food at Vito, he's obviously about to lose his shit. Choking Adriana I don't remember that part, hearing these rumors fuckin' sucks. OH NO beating up Adriana now I can't remember that either what a horrible piece of shit.

- Tony B heard the rumors and makes Tony aware that Chris thinks the worst about what happened the night of the crash.

- Hilarious how Tony made AJ get the hell out of his house and back to Carmela's. Carmela heard about the rumors too. Yikes. Tony can't get in a word, so he leaves, but not before walking back inside and getting his pizza.

- Chris is full out crazy now WHOA SHIT WALKING INTO THE BING WITH A PIECE. OHHHH shooting up Tony's car now this dude has gone insane. LOL TONY SIRAGUSA, bigger lol at Silvio saying "just another unhappy customer." This blew so far out of proportion but Paulie getting in his little dig was hilarious. Tony B's idea to fix this was a very, very good idea. Good that the doctor wouldn't take Tony's money. This is a great insight into Christopher's character. Everything with him is about perception. See how this looks, that's bad, and for him he can't deal with it.

- Tony has to do some damage control of his own. Getting Carmela to believe him was hard enough, now she has to tag along with him to dinner with Chris, Adriana, Tony B, and his mom. Awkward...but everyone sees it, so rumors are clearly taken to be just that.

Videos:

Adriana and Tony piss off Christopher (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTs6IkE25Ds#)

The Sopranos "A pissed off Christopher Moltisanti" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlJ94Jy1gOc#)

Another spectacular episode. To be completely honest, the only reason Tony didn't fuck Adriana was because of the car crash. Coke in the middle of the night generally leads to fucking, obviously. Once you realize that, it's strange to view the episode from that light. Essentially Tony is forced to defend himself although his intent was certainly to do what he's defending himself from accusations of doing.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 17, 2012, 03:19:30 PM
Wow, I never realized they replaced the actor who played Dr. Fried. Same thing with Tony's sister Barbara. What the fuck were these people doing to either get canned or not want to stay on such an esteemed program?
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 03:24:23 PM
The guy who played Dr. Fried did a run on The Producers around the country. Dunno what happened to other Barbara.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 17, 2012, 03:27:03 PM
Makes sense. Just thought the original Fried was perfect.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
SENTIMENTAL EDUCATION

- Tony B's truck gets stolen, it's almost like he can't catch a break. Damn he like fell and skinned up his leg real bad that had to hurt. The Korean guy saying "why do you fuck me like this" with his accent and whatever was hilarious.

- Tony giving AJ a hard time was funnier, even funnier was him running over there and giving AJ the real business for talking back with some stupid shit. Ordinarily this wouldn't be amusing at all, but it's AJ, I can only find this amusing because the kid is a dickhead to the extreme.

- Tony B's lady straight out saying that Janice's lasagna wasn't any good cracked me up. Brutal honesty is great.

- Ha, Father Phil. Haven't seen him in a little while. Carmela seems to have only invited him to dinner with the purpose of rubbing his face in the fact that she found somebody who she believes he can relate to. Even said that she thought Wegler was gay and that it reminded her of Father Phil. In response he calls Carmela a sinner in so many words.

- This Kim guy is hilarious. Can hardly understand anything he says to be honest. But he says he'll stake Tony B in a massage business. Why wouldn't he go to Tony for that? Okay, that's a stupid question. I already know why.

- AJ saying he'll call social services like a total idiot is frustrating. Begging to go back to Carm's house. HA! Tony's post-conversation analysis was a funny joke.

- Paulie's germophobia never disappoints. "Word to the wise, REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The guy is KOREAN, not Japanese.

- I don't like this Wegler and I get the feeling that you aren't supposed to. That being said, if somebody kept talking out their son's problems in bed after getting it on like she does I'd break it off with that person, cause it has only been a few weeks she knows this Wegler or some shit like that. There's gotta be boundaries here. LOL at Carmela grabbing a handgun and stashing it under Tony's old pillow after looking at a picture of Tony. That's, uh, guilt or something. That being said the Catholic Church seems to be harder on devout Catholics who give an honest confession than those who are lightly practicing and do not confess. Something about that seems way wrong to me. That being said, what he does say makes sense to some degree, only in that he tells her that this guy (Wegler) is not gonna be there for her when she's old and gray.

- Tony B is now a certified massage therapist. Good job! Chris walking into the room and saying there's a dog groomer next door in case someone needs a snack was some truly racist shit. LOL Chris with that "think you could put in a word for some kung pow cooch."

- AJ is convinced that Wegler is gay. Funny. Just as funny as AJ falling asleep while his mom was trying to help him out with homework.

- I find it highly unlikely that two random people just threw out some drug money in front of Tony B, but hey who knows. Tony setting that up so Tony B would be indebted to him in some subconscious way seems far more likely. Or cause that's the way Tony is, just trying to help his cousin out. I dunno. Paulie and Tony B had a good ball busting exchange regarding happy endings and shit.

- Of course now we see that he really did plagiarize his paper. lol at Tony calling Wegler a fag and then Carmela saying maybe you're a fag. Tony taking his clothes off and shit after this argument, then going for a swim was excellent. How smothering is that on his part.

- Carmela bailing on Wegler was uh, weird? I don't know how else to put it. But it did force Wegler to lean on AJ's teacher, getting AJ a better grade. Carmela would have wanted that in the first place. The teacher does seem to hint at AJ being treated unfairly because of his family background though.

- Tony B is having a really hard time pulling himself away from the mob life, and to be honest unless he was to move out of the area that's pretty much impossible. How can a person do that?

- Wegler's incorrect that Carmela is having sex with him solely to get AJ a better grade, but it is a large factor in her decision, however subconsciously. Maybe she doesn't realize it's a factor. She should have apologized to Wegler once confronted on this, but when she said "how could asking someone for help be using them, that's what people do" pretty much sealed the deal on that front. "You strongarmed me using the only weapon you have, your pussy" WHOA.

- As we find out shortly, Tony B's linen job is pretty backbreaking work. Not ideal by any stretch. He's been doing so mch work that when this Kim fuck starts in on him he can't take it anymore and beats the piss out of him, thus ruining his best chance at having a straight life, because not only does he lose his potential massage business but his job too.

- lol at Hugh giving Carmela shit about not having a man around in the house. When Carmela tells him about the thing with Wegler, what's a dad supposed to say in that scenario? It's the truth that because she was married to Tony, she's going to be stuck with that shit forever. He says nothing, obviously.

Video:

The Sopranos - Tony Blundetto beats up a Korean called Kim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2YgYGWVCyo#ws)

Another REALLY good episode here. Did Tony know that Tony B would fall back into his clutches if he found that money in the street, or did Tony have nothing to do with that at all? It's an interesting question and telling of the relationships that the viewer has formed with the characters for us to even think that may be a possibility. Does that make us bad people? I dunno.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 17, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
IN CAMELOT

- Tony and Janice have made up in some way and are now having dinner. Funny how they all eat in front of the TV when Bobby completely hated the idea of his kids doing this when their mom died. Belly-laugh alert,

"Can we get a dog, I'll walk him and pick up the poo and pee" - Bobby Jr.

"Pee, right...start with your underwear" - Janice

Laughing beyond all control.

- Junior at another funeral, poor guy is totally beholden to death. For some reason Bobby says that his memory has improved which is totally ridiculous based on the conversations here. This lady Fran being at the cemetery at the same time as another funeral Tony was attending is too much of a coincidence to be believable. Apparently Junior wanted Fran for himself, but decided not to try it out and Johnny took the cooze for himself.

- This JT guy and his long running storyline with Chris was something I found interesting, if a bit distracting from more important issues. Apparently he and JT knew each other from rehab or whatever.

- At first Tony is approving of Fran's former relationship with his dad because he considers Livia to be like a Darth Vader type figure. More he finds out about Fran the less this is the case.

- Now Junior is combing the obits for funerals to go to, yikes. What a morbid thing to do.

- First thing that hurts Tony was discovering that his dog was taken from his house and given to Fran's son. I can imagine that's some traumatizing shit to learn. Awful. Fran's possibly true motives are revealed when she brings up Hesh and Phil Leotardo screwing her out of an investment. Tony arguing with Hesh about this is weird, just because. Hesh being into black chicks is something I've always found funny in a running gag sense.

- How is the government allowed to hold Junior under house arrest without an upcoming trial? I'm not getting that.

- Chris needs to stop falling off the wagon, cause if Tony found out he'd lose his shit. "Wanted to see if I could get high like a normal person" makes no sense.

- Phil and Tony immediately have tension the first time we see them talk to each other. Anyone could have seen they'd have a future grudge.

- Fran's story about JFK was so hammed up. There are parts of this storyline I don't like, but all in all it's a good vehicle for the show. Says a lot about Tony that he would continue to listen to this broad, it's pure hatred towards his mom that could contribute to this and nothing else.

- Chris pushed this JT guy into turning to drugs, clear as day. People with addiction problems shouldn't be encouraged to gamble. lol at charging his friend vig.

- Phil ignoring Tony like this was some pure rage moron dickhead stuff. I love how Tony chases him down Grand Theft Auto style and makes him crash into a bus. AMAZING. Pay up you cocksucker.

- Playing computer games instead of writing scripts and shit was not too wise. Of course JT went to AC and could not pay, but Chris will be back tomorrow. DON'T BE A JERKOFF. Well, this time he's there with Little Paulie. Little Paulie saying he hasn't seen Pulp Fiction was a great line. LOL how fucked up Chris bashing a glass framed picture over his head.

- Junior at another funeral, this far more legit than the last one. He can't take it anymore and breaks down. Uncomfortable....

- LOL at JT trying to pawn his Emmy. "I'll melt it down and give you 15 dollars." Chris is a straight hypocrite getting all indignant about JT using again. Ridiculing this guy when Chris did this to him was wrong.

- Fran saying she smoked when Johnny Soprano had emphysema pissed Tony off pretty bad, but this part is extremely disturbing. Singing Happy Birthday with the captain's hat on was probably the worst thing in this whole show. Shocking & and real gross, it's impossible to watch that part without switching to a new tab and letting it run. 16 year old Tony has funny hair, by the way. His story at Melfi's office revealed that really, when it comes down to it, his dad was a piece of shit and not somebody worth deifying as he had been doing. Sad for Tony that his dad had to get/made Tony to lie for him like this. Rather than address the real issue he wanted to go back and talk about his mom forcing Tony's dog to be given away. Unfortunate.

- Chris taking this guy's car was even more cold. Ouch. This is just like the bust out episode, except Chris is giving JT all kinds of bullshit advice whereas Tony was straight in telling Davey he was going to take his business down.

- Apparently it's Junior's medicine that is causing these reactions for him. Needs to be changed, according to the doctor. His monologue at the end pretty much sums up why I have no intent of living a lonely life with no kids, wife, etc. To say he regrets that shit is an understatement. 

Videos:

Tony Soprano - Chasing Down Phil Leotardo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0qb9wP_jt0#)

The Sopranos - Chris lays down a beating on J.T. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXSXiH1lV_s#)

This episode is kinda underrated, but very slow-paced and doesn't have a major payoff scene to what took place. Probably in the lower rung of episodes, but hey, it's still good! The next one is one of my favorites, will probably watch it tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 18, 2012, 02:36:37 AM
Love the Tony-Phil chase scene. "WHERE YOU GONNA GO HUH?"
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 18, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
MARCO POLO

- The opening scene establishes that Little Carmine is more of a material person than he is a hardened criminal. He's all shook over his boat sinking and shit.

- Oh shit Hugh fell off the roof of Carmela's house. At least he landed in some bushes cause that could have been way worse. This guy in the ER is basically dying while Carmela talks with her mom about birthday parties and shit.

- Poor Vitro still doing free lawn service while Tony and Johnny pile into the new Maserati and scram out of the neighborhood. I can imagine that would be demoralizing.

- LOL Siragusa is still around and playing the role of Tony's driver. Angie as body shop owner was something I found odd, to be honest.

- Tony's dirty ass house cracked me up too. Food fucking everywhere, clothes, all that shit. Funny how Carmela and Tony argued about something different after Tony had been told he wasn't invited to Hugh's surprise party.

- Junior is straight out stupid calling Hugh and ruining the surprise party, telling Hugh not to expect him to show up. It was funny to see Hugh's face light up at the realization a surprise party was being planned for him.

- Apparently this episode is a month's distance from the last one, as indicated when Tony told Tony B that he's been back in the fold for just a month, eat what's on your plate and all that lark.

- All these Phil scenes are good character development. He's giving Angie the hardest time. lol at something's off with the seat.

- Carmela's reaction to finding out Junior told Hugh about the surprise party was brilliant. AJ calls Hugh's doctor friend "Dr Faggo" lol. Hugh's reaction to finding out Tony isn't coming to the party is one of pure disappointment. When Hugh's hero worship of Tony is displayed like this, I love it. He says they might as well cancel the party if Tony's not going to be there.

- Tony B getting too close to Little Carmine's guys, big mistake...contract killing one of Johnny and Phil's guys is not a good idea. At least initially he declines the offer, but, well, we know.

- Tony didn't even have to manuever his way into being allowed at the party, it just works out that we because of who he is. Tony B being delegated to Carmela's bitchboy was a great little subplot mixed in here. Everything about Tony B in this episode is related to him realizing that he could have had a life like this. Longing eyes, the comments made, mannerisms, all that. Perfect acting job.

- Small callback here with Meadow making a huge fuckin' mess when she made her cake. The counter was filthy, just like when she made grilled cheese or whatever the fuck with Hunter that one episode.

- Tony made his arrival at a perfect time, that's how you get people to depend on you. It's all about timing. Carmela's mom had the biggest cringe on her face when Tony walked outside singing his sausage song to Hugh. These older Italian friends of Hugh's seem to be squares to the max.

- Was funny for Tony to give Hugh his gift first. This was some perfect manuevering shit got him a Beretta. Real gift if there ever was one. Lol at this panning straight to Tony B starting to get recalcitrant and unhappy at being told to do all this stuff, as well as pointing the camera at Tony's gut and Carmela's ass. LOL.

- This "Dr Faggo" was a dickhead, said they never export the best Berettas, what kind of friend is that? Shitting all over a guy on his birthday is as screwed up as it gets. I loved how Tony just walked away from this guy like 'how could you.' Really seemed to hurt Hugh's feelings.

- Man, Tony B is so sad to see Meadow with Tony, cause of what's going on with his own daughter. That look on his face was just sad. Lol Hugh is totally sauced, needs help to the car, but Tony B says "What am I a fucking slave," which was great. WTF Carmela's mom saying "I'm sorry for everything" that's dead cold stupid. I enjoyed Carmela tearing into her.

- So Tony B's kids took something from AJ's closet, something which didn't mean shit to AJ anymore. An Olympic pin set. Fuck that has to destroy someone to hear that comment of "I don't want to come back here" from their own son. You can see how Tony B is destroyed.

- LOL the game of Marco Polo with Artie straining to keep his eyes shut and shit. Was great when Tony and AJ threw Carmela in the pool, doesn't everyone want to do that when they seem someone walking around a pool in full clothing?  Amusing how Carm then joined in the game, only for everyone else to eventually leave the pool. And then we know what happens afterward which is a good moment and all that, inevitable too I should add. If Carmela had resolved to be just friends with Tony, that was never going to last long. Tony is capable of sucking everyone in when
 
- Hilarious for Artie to wake up in the morning with everyone having left him outside to sleep.

- So Tony B took the order from Little Carmine's guys to kill Joey Peeps. Iced him and his skeeze, but got his foot run over which ain't too great a thing to happen.

Videos:

Tony Trys Not To Laugh About Ginny's Weight - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Z9Az86fFw#ws)

The Sopranos - Junior Ruins Surprise Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIJ2YtHfMZg#ws)

The Sopranos - Hugh De Angelis (Part II) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlA9Fs350PE#)

The Sopranos - Tony Blundetto Whacks Joey Peeps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCDiUVcYH-c#ws)

Like I said yesterday, I love this episode. One thing that's a bit more noticeable after going back through is that Tony B's character was pretty underutilized up to this point. Probably could have done more with him.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: JAxlMorrison on December 20, 2012, 06:34:37 AM
Because of this thread I activated my HBO GO. Now I'm intimidated lol. I don't know whether to watch it all the way through again, or to just cherry pick all my favorite episodes.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 27, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
UNIDENTIFIED BLACK MALES

- Man who still sits in their backyard during the hot ass summer watching baseball games? That's something outdated despite this not being all that old. Tony B blaming his leg injury on some black dudes (hence title) is amusing.

- Finn paying the check as a matter of reciprocity was something bound to head to chaos and Tony getting all upset. Poor guy was just trying to be nice!

- Tony not talking to Carmela after the pool incident was ice cold. Coupled with not going in the house and, well, what can really be said about that. Falco did a great job of acting and made herself look destroyed.

- Johnny Sack is shook bad about Joey Peeps. When Tony realizes his cousin may have done the shooting it's panic attack time.

- lol at Tony taking that prick from earlier this season's advice and contacting all the attorneys in the area.

- It's always really uncomfortable when Tony talks about anything business related in front of Melfi.

- Tony getting Finn a job was a nice idea in theory but uh, this was way too odd. LOL Paulie telling Finn to get the dogshit off his tires that was one of the funniest fuckin' things I've heard. THEN Paulie finds out Finn is Meadow's boyfriend and kisses his ass big time, this was too much.

- OHHHHHHH Carmela invited Tony to lunch to tell him she was filing for divorce. Such a tense conversation.

- In hindsight it was obvious that the Vito gay thing was going to come up at some point cause this guy was all over Finn like a true 'mo. I also like how Finn sits on some blocks just a bit away from the crew, almost like an unofficial member. LOL at Little Paulie calling Eugene a gay. This could be the best ball busting session in the whole series. OHHHHHHHHHH Eugene is straight angry over that and BREAKS A BOTTLE OVER LITTLE PAULIE'S HEAD WHOA these guys are laughing at it like this is normal activity as Finn acts all disgusted and about to vomit and shit. OOOOOOOOH at Vito saying if someone calls the cops, the story is "they saw two niggers running that way" totally fucked up.

- Meadow acting like Eugene is such a sweet guy or whatever shows how blinded some of these people get to the fact that these guys are sociopaths, murderers, all that.

- Oh man that headstone. Says PEEPS on it. Yikes. Johnny is mad shook not only about that but about finding out Tony B shot Joey Peeps. This of course, sets us on a spiral that lasts all the way until the end of the series. Tony went to bat for his cousin with the hugest of lies, in some way it's hard to believe he would do that for somebody else, because he has not done that at any point yet in this whole show. Like he didn't just put his neck out there for Tony B but his whole body.

- Finn is now scared of these guys of course, and he's too scared to even say who would win a fight between Ali and Tyson. Vito tried to put his mind at ease and shit and I guess it worked.

- Now Chris is whining about Tony B getting the casino. Telling Adriana way too much...so of course she goes to her bud Sanseverino and puts her on the case. No bueno.

- LOL Finn pulls up at work early and what does he see but FAT ASS VITO GIVING A BLOWIE TO A DUDE. This was some hot news shit at the time, I remember it being repeated on Good Day LA like 10 times the day after. Then ugh this dude walks up to Finn near the outhouse and comes off extremely weird and offputting.

- I wonder what would have happened if Finn had actually gone to the Yankee game. Would Vito have ended this dude to keep the secret? When he told Meadow about all the shit that happened earlier in the day she's in a total state of disbelief. These people are so blinkered it's unreal. I'm gonna be honest, when Finn pulled out the suitcase and considered leaving the area I'd have done the same shit. There's no sense in trying to play hard with guys like this. That would be when keeping it real goes wrong. The argument between he and Meadow is so amusing though, capped off by the AC crapping out. Ultimately Finn doesn't know what to do so he asks Meadow to marry him. This episode does an amazing job of illustrating how people make bad decisions under pressure and the kind of impact they can have on your life.

- Right now we find out that Carmela can't touch Tony due to people being afraid to look into his finances and get on his bad side. Which frankly is something she should have known all along, yet was in denial about it for some reason I can't figure out.

- This appointment with Tony is a great one. One of the only times Tony drops his facade and gets real in one of these. But not before unleashing a real racist tirade and having a panic attack. He can't tell Tony B that he had a fight with his moms, fainted, and that's why Tony B went to jail alone and not him. "Sometimes what happens in here is like taking a shit" GOAT comment.

- Carmela's reaction to seeing Tony floating in the pool was the definition of a picture being worth a thousand words. Then at the same time Carmela finds out that Meadow's engaged and begins to cry. Whether that's at the sight of Tony or the news, or a combination of both and how much is totally up to you to decide. Great end scene.

Videos:

Eugene smashed a glass bottle on the head of Little Paulie, The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQ6zaI1HaQ#ws)

The Sopranos - Vito and Mr. Security Guard are caught. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BGtyyaAX2s#)
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 27, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
COLD CUTS

- Johnny Sack's little power play regarding these Vespas was a slick move. Obviously he doesn't believe Tony's story regarding Tony B and is trying to root out the truth as well as get in a dig.

- Janice as a soccer mom was amusing. Especially in that her confrontation turned into a fight. Typical Janice. Lol at the news report saying Janice has ties to the Mafia. I like how the psychologist on TV perfectly explained what Tony was about to do when he went over to Janice and Bobby's house. TOTAL RAGE MODE. Then damn Sophia with words that cut deep in saying "are you going to punch me" to Janice.

- The storyline this episode is excellent. The code talking was amusing. Canned peaches and whatnot. Don't want anyone to open that can of fruit! Chris also lets us know that when Tony and Tony B get together they love to give him a hard time.

- Oh shit the look on Tony's face when he discovers that the pool is empty. I'm the kind of guy who doesn't believe in pool draining, I'd rather trip and fall into a pool of water than an empty cavern.

- Janice's racist rant in the anger management class was unreal. The bald dude who said "this is fuckin' priceless" took the words out of my mouth.

- Something Chris said about Tony B putting his feet up in his Hummer really bothered me. People care more about stuff than their family being comfortable. Guys are just too worried about scuffs and whatever, times are better when you have less money and nobody cares about shit like that. The older you get the more frustrating life gets even when it's just little stuff. These two talking shit about Tony while digging for these bodies cracked me up. And we find out that this body is that of the guy Chris killed in the pilot and subsequently moved out of the swamp with Georgie. And into the lake he goes, never to be moved again.

- Oh NO Wegler's back. Obviously this season takes place over a lot of time because now AJ's a senior when he was not the first time Carmela slept with Wegler. And I DETEST the freeze cut after Carmela says that she was "going back with her husband." First, can't believe she said that, and second, WTF IS THIS AN 80'S SOAP OPERA GET THAT SHIT OFF MY SCREEN.

- Again with illustrating how long in time this season is, Chris says that he's been clean and sober for 14 months. OR he's lying about it, cause that incident where he got wasted and beat Adriana was just 5 or 6 episodes previous to this. But who knows right?

- WTF Janice apologizing to Tony. So she seems to have gotten over her anger. Back to that shortly.

- Tony shows up at the farm and as soon he gets there the whole mood changes. Everyone tenses up, then after their body dump things turn into a bagging session. Funny how Tony B reused his jokes about Tony on other people, but then immediately, Tony and Tony B have a laugh at Christopher's expense. Tony telling Chris to have a drink and ranting at him was just sad, like honestly, I can feel myself turning against Tony right now. None of that stuff was funny at all, it was cruel and mean spirited, just wasn't for me.

- Ew at the fly hanging around the plate of eggs. Gross. Once again with the piling on Chris, so he bails out and I would have too. Man that shit wasn't right. Then back at the Bing Tony throws a shot glass at Georgie and beats his face in, which doesn't have that slightly amusing slant to it that the other beatdowns of Georgie do. Plus he has hearing damage this time and quits the Bing. Aw.

- Tony digs into Janice relentlessly here. Talking about her lost son Harpo, and that is bound to get a rise out of anyone. "I wonder what's French-Canadian for I grew up without a mother" and then I LOVE when Janice charges at him with a fork and chases him around the dining room.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Chris, Tony & Tony B scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YYGUFgVKi4#)

The Sopranos; Tony testing Janice's anger-control abilities (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb7SWFgSf7o#ws)

Another good episode in the midst of many, but what sucks is that Tony is exposed as such a detestable human being and the facade has been completely broken. He is like a virus, corrupting everything he latches onto, his lack of joy (except in instances of bringing misery to others) dragging everyone down with him.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 27, 2012, 06:31:47 PM
Yeah, this is exhibit A of why Tony is a disgusting human being.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 27, 2012, 06:35:42 PM
THE TEST DREAM

- Egg Beaters are gross. That being said, I wouldn't wish anyone having their shit burned up upon them for making them. You gotta pay attention when you're cooking not argue AND GOTDAMN SHE'S LIT ON FUCKING FIRE LIKE JIM ROSS IF THAT WAS REAL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CRAZIEST SHIT I'VE EVER SEEN.

- The way Tony B has been paid in installments by Little Carmine for the Joey Peeps hit is pretty disgusting. You'd think that someone would actually get their pay for a game-changing hit.

- OHHH and there's a game changing hit, Phil and Billy Leotardo just gave it to Angelo. Angelo says he'll follow them over and BAM shot in the head after being put in Phil's trunk. Damn Phil gave it to this guy hardcore ruthless style.

- Tony bitching to Tony B while he's cleaning up his house was funny. So was Tony saying he's been thinking about Charmaine Bucco. I can't believe he actually had the nuts to call her but then we find out it's not the first time he had called Charmaine all secretly and shit which was a neat reveal.

- Tony giving the hotel people a fake name was swag, I wish regular folk like me could get away with pulling that off. LOL at Tony calling an Asian escort service. Of course, once he finally thinks he's gonna get some peace and quiet, Silvio calls and tells him about the Angelo killing. Ain't that just great. Of course Tony dials Tony B, who does not answer. Went on to dial up everyone, but it didn't matter, nobody heard from Tony B.

- From this point, there's a bit of a time gap and we don't know exactly what happened before Tony fell asleep. Dream time. WHOA at Tony waking up to Carmine Lupertazzi in bed with him that's about the strangest shit. Tony then goes to Melfi's and BIGGER WHOA it's not Melfi, but Gloria speaking in and out with Melfi's voice. Nice touch here, Tony being driven to a job by his dad, and Pussy in the front seat. Mikey Palmice in the seat next to him. Too weird is what this shit is. NOW IT'S RALPH.

- First time I watched this I thought it was legit when he walked into Carmela's house to meet Finn's parents. That the dream was over. But nope. WHOA THE FUCK at Tony and Carmela on TV that was just too weird and so is the stuff with all Tony's teeth falling out during a meeting with Finn, Vin Makazian and ANNETTE BENING WHAT THE FUCK. This watching Home Alone last week made me remember Vin IS THE DAD FROM HOME ALONE WTF. The singing part was very weird, but the part with The Godfather style toilets in the restroom checking for a gun was very cool.

- In hindsight it was awesome to see Tony B gun down Phil Leotardo. The way this scene was set up with Gloria as a reporter, Phil awkwardly falling to the ground, the guys saying Tony should have stopped this, the whole cast of the show in the mob of people as Tony starts running, is perhaps my favorite non-violent (it's not real so the violence doesn't count) scene in the whole series. Artie as a lone guiding agent throughout this is unbelievable, as is RICHIE APRILE in the backseat of his car after the chase scene.

- WHAT THE FUCK at the cuckolding thing with Artie, Tony, and Charmaine. Then we go straight to something amusing with Tony on his horse, obviously being symbolism for his whores, and well you know he wants to come home but Carmela doesn't want to deal with that shit anymore, goes without saying.

- Wow at the Coach Molinaro guy being Horseface from The Wire. These world clashes creep me out. Their argument is enlightening. YOU'RE NOT PREPARED. And finally Tony wakes up. I'm not gonna go over with what we got out of that, because everyone else writes about stuff like that which is not my thing.

- Chris tells Tony that Tony B has taken out Billy Leotardo. Oh geez here we fuckin' go. This whole thing with Phil was point of no return stuff that every viewer had to know would extend until the end of the show. Easy to say in hindsight, but to me it was obvious this was not going away in the last two episodes of Season 5.

- Carmela and Tony's small talk set us in a of course they're getting back together direction. And now we're done.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Leotardo Brothers Whack Angelo Garepe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohedXFhoykQ#ws)

The sopranos Season 5 The Test Dream - Tony gets rude awaking in a dream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvLVU2ZC-WU#)

The Sopranos-Tony B whacks Phil Leotardo(in tony's dream) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLjppuV7nE#ws)

Picked out the best bits, I didn't want to post the whole episode. But it really is that good and I'm realizing that I held an unfair view of Season 5 in thinking that it wasn't as good as the rest. YES IT IS AS GOOD AS THE REST, but in a different way. The overarching themes lacked a bit at the beginning, but each episode is extremely entertaining in this format and there are plenty of meaningful, hard-hitting moments.

I'm glad I didn't intend to post a list of top ten best episodes because that's impossible unless you post a list wherein you rank all of them from the beginning. And really, no way I want to take that on. Too much good here.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 28, 2012, 06:46:12 PM
LONG TERM PARKING

- Oh no the feds have come up with some dirt out of the blue on Adriana. This whole episode and what happens in it was so unexpected and not something built towards this season. Just bits dropped in here and there.

- Funny to see Tony bring up his dream with Carmela and subsequently compare his indiscretions to Carmela's as if they are equal in any way. Nope.

- Phil Leotardo is sitting here all depressed and we flash back to Tony B clipping his brother. Everyone can see how driven he will be by this. As an aside, my parents and most other older folk had to be weirded out by Frankie Valli in this consiglieri to Little Carmine role.

- Since the Tony's made fun of him Chris has gone back to drinking. What a downer. And being a dickhead too.

- To the sitdown with Phil and Johnny, of course Phil is extremely fucking pissed off. This is so tense, basically if Tony B isn't delivered to New York shit's gonna hit the fan. The usual and all that lark. LOL at these kids discovering someone's body in the ocean, little does anyone realize this is directly linked to Adriana.

- Tony has the most perplexed look on his face during this dinner conversation with Carmela wherein the spec house comes up. Then Chris shows up and Tony has an argument with him about their cigarette running deal. Once again Chris gets disrespected and he's fuckin' over it, drunk and upset.

- The interludes of the FBI doing an investigation regarding Crazy Horse makes it real obvious some bad shit is about to happen.

- Tony breaking it off with Valentina was such bad timing and so poorly handled, but really that cannot be controlled. He was gonna do it anyway, regardless of whether or not she was burned. However, unlike Gloria, he doesn't seem to feel too bad over it.

- And well, boom goes the dynamite. Feds pick Adriana up while leaving some storefront at a strip mall and it begins.

- First, we see Tony dropping his bags on the floor in a dark house. Was a strange camera shot. Gotta pour out the bubbly and have a little celebration too. LOL at AJ downing his.

- Back to the FBI office and Adriana is most definitely fucked. Disposing evidence of a murder ain't a good idea. Now, for the second time in this episode we get a flashback. Adriana's naivety is on full display. Allowed Matush into her office which was stupid, then some guy walks in there, pulls a knife on Matush, subsequently gets cracked over the head and killed. This stabbing scene is mad raw too. Anyway, that one fuckin' bloody rag for the cleanup got her spotted and screwed over. LOL she said Matush is real religious and prays all the time, sends lots of money to his brother back in Pakistan who runs a prep school for young boys. HA! Head FBI guy is putting the squeeze on Adriana and telling her IT'S TIME TO COME UP WITH SOME REAL SHIT. REAL EVIDENCE.

- We cut back to Chris and he's hitting the bottle pretty rough. Adriana on the other hand is on the john and is beginning to realize just how fucked she is.

- Looking at Tony's memory and seeing the flashbacks to when he and Tony B were younger was very sad. Of course, Johnny Sack is now a boss, and uh, yeah. Ray Curto is just sitting there, sucking in all this information so he can relay it to his FBI contact later.

- There's a major flaw in this episode, I have a hard time believing that the Feds would let Adriana walk out and try to bring a violent criminal to their office in order to flip him. Maybe that's how it really works and maybe it's not not, but that seems like an extremely stupid practice to me. Like there has to be some other way. But whoa shit when she tells Chris what happened with Danielle, this scene is perfectly acted out. Chris is going through a range of motions while processing this and then loses his shit and goes all Ike Turner on her. I really thought he was going to kill her right there. Hard to watch and quite unfuckingbelievable scene.

- Tony finally admits to Tony B that his story about the black guys attacking him was a total lie. But it seemed to be an admission made out of anger rather than true guilt.

- Adriana selling Chris on this idea of witness protection is tragic. It's tough to explain exactly how I feel about this. Chris seeing the white trash family at the gas station was a bit too much of a trope, not needed and too obvious. In the end it, just like everything else comes down to people not wanting to live like that, and being willing to do what it takes not to. The key for regular folk is finding limits, but in this show, it illustrates how sociopaths have no limits. None of these people do. Anyhow, they get out to the Pine Barrens and Adriana knows exactly's what's gonna happen. I think it's portrayed as her knowing the entire time. The actual murder scene wasn't as bad as I remembered, yet still tough to watch. Chris goes and throws her luggage in the swamp, parks her car in long term parking and that's that. Sad.

- Johnny grew a pretty big set after getting the big seat, saying it's undignified for he and Tony to meet in this fashion. What a douche.  Tony telling Johnny that he knew where Tony B was holed up was more than a bit of a mistake. At that point it presented an opportunity for Johnny to shit all over him. Tony went the opposite route and told Johnny to go fuck himself. Which, wouldn't you? It's family!

- Kinda wrong when Tony beats up Chris like this, but at this point it's impossible to feel bad for any of them.

- I'm shocked that Sanseverino really thought that Adriana may have fled. Denial, etc.

- Spec house, blah blah blah, and Tony seems to be extremely depressed at this moment.


I'm not really comfortable with searching for videos. That was a pretty drag you down hour of television, a Six Feet Under special. Much like that show I will try never to watch this episode again.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on December 29, 2012, 09:26:36 AM
P. sure Silvio didn't take her to the Pine Barrens.  I think it was just a regular wooded area.  Tony said Chris was up near Ramapo, which is North Jersey, so I'm assuming Sil & Adriana were headed north, while the Pine Barrens are in South Jersey.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 31, 2012, 06:41:00 PM
ALL DUE RESPECT

- Phil is an asshole and all but when he takes a look at his brother, you know he has a reason never to stop being a massive dickhead. Justified too.

- Lol at Blundetto's hideout that's some truly sad shit. This is fucked up though Phil going to Christopher's mom's house. What he's trying to pull is a really awful idea, but Chris never should have let this drop and killed the bastard.

- Sal Vitro doing free lawn shit is always completely hilarious.

- And now we get Chris' story that he's about to tell everyone, Adriana left him, moved out and shit. Obviously pretty bummed out but not too bummed to take Ade's shit and sell it.

- So morbid when the guys debate who's gonna get clipped by Phil and Johnny. Like trying to say how much closer to Tony they are than each other. Everyone thinks Tony should give up Tony B, but it was amusing for Tony to play dumb about what happened with Adriana in the subsequent scene. Tony's TV is also pretty small for that of a mob boss. I have a bigger one in my bedroom.

- Chris on the lam is really funny, and after what Tony's done for him what right does he have for him to bitch about Blundetto. None that's what. This Silvio-Tony conversation about Tony B was hilarious, why have a consiglieri if you won't listen to his advice?

- Oh shit Phil is at the Crazy Horse. Benny's there too, and he tries to jet but he ain't fast enough. Too bad he drove forward and not in reverse cause now Phil is beating him half to death with a cane. WOW he's FUCKED UP. Everyone is worried they might be next.

- Junior is badly in the throes of Alzheimer's by this point and cannot help Tony. Pretty sad. Melfi cannot help Tony either, and it pisses her off.

- LOL at AJ trying to be a party planner and shit but it ends in his friend fighting and he backs off like a pussy while laughing.

- Tony is still not wanting to talk to Johnny as we see, but then he goes to Paulie's to have a talk. LOL at Tony spotting that Pie-O-My picture and Paulie's subsequent explanation. Tony is upset with this for the wrong reasons, or rather he shouldn't be at all. But it makes him realize that what he's doing is not the correct leadership decision to make.

- Now we spot Tony B pulling up to the farm, and honestly I never expected Tony to round the corner and blast him. First time through anyway. And so it goes. I think Tony B was a massively underused character and could have been utilized far better, even though in the end the season turned out great. At least Tony's the kind of mob boss to have the balls to do this himself. The shot of Tony B's face was quite morbid. Tony then calls Johnny and tells him where Tony B is, so Phil goes up there all ready for a murder but...he sees that Tony B is dead on the porch.

- Johnny is so angry and doesn't believe what Tony did was any sort of solution. Chris on the other hand is now, maybe, safe. But now they're going to talk about Adriana which is pretty heavy in that Chris is really upset. Chris tells Tony he's never said anything to Adriana about any murders. This wasn't the conversation that I thought it was, to note.

- Tony calling event planning gay cracked me up.

- This scene outside of Johnny Sack's house was so sick. Surprisingly Johnny accepted Tony's explanation that he needs to meet Phil's price to make this all end, but WHOA SHIT HERE COMES THE FEDS UP THE WAY WHO EVER WOULD'VE THOUGHT. Tony running was a great sight, I expected for sure he was set up by Johnny or that the feds were coming for him, BUT IT APPEARS NOT. That's why he looked at Johnny before running. Anyway gun goes straight in the snow, and he's running like he's in Colombia away from FARC. Johnny face planting in the snow and Sal Vitro getting arrested were HILARIOUS. That's a long ass walk back home through the woods though. The symbolism of Tony emerging from the woods just like the bear did at the start of this season was awesome. HE IS THE BEAR. Carmela opening the door with that puzzled voice was a good way to cap the season off.

Videos:

Steve get's it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kYgnFbCPyc#ws)

Tony escapes from the FBI - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=modmq0hnLSA#ws)

Really good finale, sucks Tony B had to go but that's the way things turned out. He could have been a much better character.

I think I rank them 4, 3, 5, 2, 1 so far. And that's not even to say Season 1 is bad or some shit, it's amazing.  If the show was only these five seasons I'd put it up with anything, and in hindsight, that season 5 of The Wire was on a level of not that good that may push it below this show.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on December 31, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
Not sure on the rankings of 4 and 5 but as you said this is a an all timer so the season rankings can be debated forever.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on January 01, 2013, 01:55:17 AM
HE IS THE BEAR.

Also Fred Flintstone
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 01, 2013, 05:41:28 PM
MEMBERS ONLY

- I cracked up at the opening montage. Vito lost weight, JANICE HAS A KID WTF, Bobby loves trains, Eugene is gonna get dough, AJ has long hair, spec house was getting constructed but WTF ADRIANA IS THERE. That obviously couldn't be real, and it wasn't.

- Oh man the Pussy Malanga stuff BEGINS. Apparently Junior had Tony digging in a hole for 40k and couldn't find it. Tony reversing on Green Grove in an attempt to say Junior shouldn't live there was horrible. "Remember what they did to ma" COME ON.

- Eugene laying it onto Tony that he has an inheritance of 2 million was a cool moment. I mean in the sense of the here and now. He tries to get out of the mob, who wouldn't? This stuff with him and his son was so weird for real.

- LOL at Tony and Carmela being sushi fiends now. That's awesome. And obviously their relationship is way different. Who woulda figured?

- Wow at Phil now having beef with Hesh. What the fuck is that about WHOA SHIT THIS ELI DUDE GOT RAN OVER

- Agent Harris telling Tony about terrorism and shit is very funny. Right before that Tony was extolling the virtues of Phil and shit. Obviously a mistake, as he finds out when Hesh gets in contact with him.

- Hugh not building a house correctly was FUCKED UP. Most people would be fuming mad over this.

- LOL at that rat Ray croaking in Sanseverino's car. He was so enthusiastic for this rat shit :(. Christopher's crack about Lou Gehrig's Disease was some dumb ass shit. Kind of a played joke.

- Eugene giving Tony a taste of the inheritance was laughable, but Rusty & Tony talking bad about rats unknowing of Ray's rat past was amusing. Tony surprising Carmela with a car was good. Such a contrast from previous seasons I don't know how to act.

- Melfi's confrontational behavior is always fun to watch and totally necessary. I'm really glad the Eliott scenes with her were cut down upon last season.

- Awesome when Tony and his guys went to the optometrist guy, pulled the left his wallet in his car gag and took a LOAD of his sunglasses. That's how you gotta do it. Amusing when Johnny learned about Phil's feud with Hesh. If I wound up in jail and my daughter was doing a wedding like Johnny's I don't know how a person can take that shit. So that's why you don't get in that kind of trouble. Tony and Phil bury the hatchet over the Hesh thing and something else, so I suppose they get along and who would've expected it.

- DAMN TONY pushing 3 bills with this sushi all the time. Was funny for him to decline an invitation by Carmela to sushi. THAT WAS THEIR THING AND HE RUINED IT BY GOING THERE EARLIER IN THE DAY. Actually no, she wasn't so mad. And now Carmela has patched things up with Angie. Weird stuff going on. Artie with Charmaine too.

- This thing with Eugene and killing a guy in Boston is really messed up. They give him the impression he'll be getting out of that thing of their's. So Eugene ices this fat fuck in some fast food place, which leads to a great shot of some blood like teardrops on his face as he's driving home. Then bloods all over his map. And Silvio tells Eugene that he can't go to Florida. Man that's fucked up. Eugene's wife is giving him bullshit about staying in Jersey too. And oh man his kid is using heroin too. That's gotta be the worst thing to find out in the entire world.

There's a twist too. Apparently this fool HAS BEEN HANGING AROUND WITH THE FEDS. Why did he think they'd let him go down to Florida? This is so fucked up when he hangs himself. There ain't no way to get lucky when you go that route but I was rooting for him to find footing the whole way.

- Junior shooting Tony was the craziest thing in a show that has a LOT of crazy shit. The first time I saw it I was 100% sure Tony was going to die. I mean cause, how the fuck would you know? Six Feet Under was done before this, and with the ending there I figured why not. Especially considering that a LOAD of hints were dropped in this episode about Tony being gotten rid of. Did Junior realize what he did afterward and go hide in the closet for that reason? For all that happened in this show I rooted for Tony to grab the phone and make the call every time.

Videos:

Eugene hangs himself - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIbPKSDYno#ws)

The Sopranos - Junior shoots Tony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUjbDK8trBA#ws)

Wow. Alzheimer's is a motherfucker.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 01, 2013, 06:57:15 PM
JOIN THE CLUB

- In a lot of ways I don't really like Tony's coma dream, and to be honest that makes this episode a bit hard to watch for me. It isn't one of my favorites, I don't know who's in the same boat about it. This may change through the course of watching.

- I love the way certain things are represented here. Machine measuring Tony's heart rate being the light house, doctor checking him out and his incoming response being reflected by helicopters.

- His white guy accent was GREAT, but sometimes the Tony voice creeps through. One thing also noticeable with him not playing THE Tony Soprano is his weight gain. Yikes. The scenes have been shot in a way that makes him look less imposing, like an average guy who isn't larger than life. Is that something perceived through assumption by the viewer, and not actually true?

- Tony is, if nothing else, still into the strange in coma land. Finally back in the real world he wakes up and it's pretty bad shit, not good for him to pull his tube out. AJ is in absolute denial of the reality of this situation but uh, Vito is being pretty gay here demanding to take home AJ even when it's out of his way. Masuka from Dexter as the doctor is WEIRD casting.  This is some really sad shit.

- Back in coma land, Tony is now actively checking into hotels as this Kevin Finnerty guy. Interesting. And so are the monks hanging out in the background. LOL that they're suing him and the one guy slaps him which is awesome. Real Tony would never say "HE HIT ME." He'd also never take the stairs if the elevator was crammed up. Ouch when he fell down them. That represents a er, setback. Fuck that hole in his gut. That's vile shit and when Janice it's no surprise she shit a brick cause IT'S JANICE. Also, this doctor looks like Joe Namath.

- Eugene's funeral was a sad show. We find out Silvio is acting boss, that Vito suspects Bobby of some BS having gone on, and that they can't understand why Eugene bit the bullet. Awesome how Vito self-profiled in projecting upon Eugene and Janice was like lol I probably shouldn't say anything.

- AJ talking to the newslady was a clueless fucking show, the guy needs a brain replacement. Can't remember to get CD's or anything. Was tragic when Carmela was talking to Tony in his current state.

- Harris talking shop with Chris was hilarious to watch, there are some good interludes that can get you laughing through the bad things going on here.

- In Tony's coma dream it would not have been good to rest at the hospital. Instead he had to run, gotta go, gotta fight.

- Vito farting into Tony's couch was gross. And AJ talking about the Prius and shit what is going on with this fucking guy? Screaming out the window at the reporters was dumb, but to be honest they're kinda fuckin' annoying so they can be forgiven. It's great when Paulie shoves the guys back from the driveway, that shit's pretty rude.

- AJ going in to see his dad is rough, and when I think of what I'd be like if my dad was in that condition it's a pretty tough scene to watch. So I am not going to think about that. But he laid flunking out of school on his mom right then and that was not a good idea.

- When Tony was in coma land and decided not to call home that was, well I don't know what that was.

I can't find any specific YouTube videos for this but I do know that it's a great episode and I'm not nearly as negative on it as I was before this experience. I get most of what went on here so no need for me to head into further detail. I did like the next episode quite a lot by the way.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 02, 2013, 05:55:33 PM
MAYHAM

- This opening segment makes me wonder about a lot of things. Are there wars that the DiMeo crime family goes through without us knowing about it? Cause if not, what the fuck kind of Colombians are these that don't have backup? LOL that Paulie got out of the way by getting kneed in the balls. Amazing how fucked up his balls are I mean LOL HE CAN'T EVEN GET UP.

- Whoa at finding out AJ was trying to buy a gun. Funny for Chris to tell him he should channel his rage by fucking his girlfriend more.

- Tony's meeting with the monks in coma land was so totally strange. And so is Benny being the driver for Silvio now, and Silvio's wife saying she was proud of him making boss is a little weird too in that you know she knows what he had to do to get that spot, and obviously all these wives are totally okay with it.

- Paulie's ball issue is the funniest shit.

- Silvio having to handle all these issues is bad. He knows what to do, but it's kinda awkward and everyone knows these decisions aren't completely final, pending whatever happens with Tony. He tries to get some rest, in the bathroom where nobody else is going to walk in and all that, but it turns out that Vito does walk in and so does Paulie. LOL at Vito thinking he was gonna get half of Paulie's job. Paulie calls it MAYHAM and says he needs ultrasound on his balls gum nearly flew out of my mouth. "I gotta piss first, you want half of that too" OHHHHHHHH

- LOL at Benny walking into the writers meeting and hitting JT over the head, on behalf of Chris who wants JT to write a script for him. Degenerate gambler man. Oh man the idea about the boss porking his fiancee for Cleaver is an absolutely horrible one.

- Vito and Phil talking shop and letting loose with their lips is shit. This is almost a Tony-Johnny situation before Johnny became boss. Vito is a piece of shit saying he might as well keep Tony's cut cause it's a waste to give it to Carmela. Paulie's thinking the same shit which is pretty stupid all in all. And this fuckin' guy cuts out coupons what a cheap bastard.

- Hilarious the investor meeting about Cleaver. It's all wise guys. The guys nixing JT's ideas was hilarious. LOL at it being originally called Pork Store Killer. Dumb ass correcting Silvio doesn't know shit whatsoever that's a terrible idea.

- LOL at Carmela getting super pissed at AJ over the A&E documentary. Damn at her saying AJ was a cross to bear YIKES. Interesting that Carmela no longer feels horrible about how Tony makes his money and believes that there are worse people in the world. Which is obviously true but, you know, not to the extent that she believes it is.

- Bobby whining to Silvio and Silvio subsequently giving him a "mornings are better" answer was funny once again. Not the next morning though cause Silvio has to be stretchered out of the house. Clearly he cannot handle the big boss spot. Vito thinking he can be the big boss is absolutely ridiculous.

- Paulie telling the honest truth about Tony was great. HE LOOKS TERRIBLE. LOL about him telling Tony about his balls and dick, which sends Tony into cardiac arrest. It's hilarious in a way that Paulie's voice would bring him to this point. HOLY SHIT right at the same time as this VITO GRABS FINN BY THE ARM AND STARTS RUBBING IT WHAT A HOMO. I totally forgot about that part. Now in coma land when Tony says "will you shut up in there" to Paulie's voice was quite a trip. OH SHIT THEY GOT THE CART and now it's thunder and lightning in coma land as they're trying to bring Tony to in the real world. This shit of Tony B hanging out in the front yard, and his mom standing in the front door at the house was haunting. Damn man you go in that house you die.

- AND HE WAKES. Bobby lets the guys know and admist the celebration Paulie and Vito look extremely nervous. They ain't happy, and Paulie wants Tony's cut to Carmela ASAP. So it gets there in a fat ass envelope. She realized how soulless Paulie and Vito looked to give her that money too. Also whoa when Tony says to Carmela "I'm dead right"

Videos:

Paulie breaks into colombian apt. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3Q0PcdsYc#)

Tony Soprano's Near Death Experience (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GTAfq3i9Bs#)

This episode is nowhere near as good as the last, but I found the comedy bits here to be far more funny. Paulie's think with his balls was over the top yet hilarious all the same.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 03, 2013, 11:35:36 AM
THE FLESHY PART OF THE THIGH

- Man that mask shot to open the episode was creepy as hell. I wasn't expecting it.  Also creepy was the stomach incision being changed again, that shit has to hurt beyond belief.

- Barone kid digging into Tony's job position at Barone is a horrible idea.

- Tony is SO MAD about Bobby missing out on taking care of Junior because of the trains. He feels like he wouldn't be there if not for that and he isn't wrong. HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD NEWS. YES THIS GUY AGAIN.

- lol at the doctor saying "I just found Jimmy Hoffa" during Tony's surgery. 

- When Paulie finds this out, it's so messed up. Nucci isn't his real mom wtf. How the fuck is somebody supposed to take that when they're an old man themselves? Of course he drives to Green Grove in a huff, but I didn't expect him to say the things he said. "My mother's a whore" that's totally messed up. When he went off the rails at Father Phil I laughed.

- Insurance people be fucked up. "Wallet biopsy" awesome that Tony tells that bitch to get out of his room. Amazing when Tony overhears these guys talking about street cred, getting shot, and all that shit. When Bobby hears it too it's amazing. Tony knows that he has to keep on at Barone Sanitation, that's his supposedly legit job, can't lose the tax form. Back to the wallet biopsy, Tony thinks the paramedic took 2 grand from his wallet and wants it back, so the guy better come up with that shit.

- Johnny not wanting to give Tony his position and W-2 permanently is pretty ridiculous, ridiculous enough that Tony threw up. Paulie trying to intimidate Jason Barone wasn't going to work out considering that Barone was so far along in the deal, at the same time, he's so far along that he can't get out of it when he tells the buyer the deal is fucked, so really he's fucked no matter how you look at it. This is illustrated when the Barone guy goes to do his trash pickup routes and gets FUCKED UP.

- Paulie is real fucked up taking away Nucci's living quarters and throwing her TV out the window. At least Tony tries to bring some levity to the situation, but Paulie can't accept it.

- It's great when Bobby shoots this rapper guy in...not the fleshy part of the thigh, but the ass that would give someone anti-street cred. 

- This guy trying to preach to Tony is, I dunno, pretty dumb. When he gives him a book about a criminal who goes to jail and whatnot that's pretty rude.

- LOL at Carmela saying Tony should be watching Vito, that she thinks there's less in that package than there was supposed to be. She couldn't be more correct, both he and Paulie are pretty shady and stingy when it comes to letting loose with funds.

- Damn when Paulie cries about Jason Barone's mom walking in and saying don't let anything happen to my boy that's deep as fuck.

- I was surprised when Tony let the paramedic keep the 2 grand, but his outlook on life is quite different. Nice how Johnny now lets Tony keep his W-2 for 10 years and that's all he needed. "Truth be told, there's enough garbage for everybody."

- But it's FUCKED up when Paulie kneecaps this Jason Barone fella and tells him to kick up to him every month so that Nucci can stay at Green Grove. Truth be told that's a lot of fuckin' money, 48 grand a year is rough sledding.

Video:

HE SHOT ME IN MY AZZZ! Bobby Shoots Rapper - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LApGT7EiRTo#ws)

Some strange stuff going on here. These people changed, kinda.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 03, 2013, 01:01:46 PM
MR. & MRS. JOHN SACRIMONI REQUEST...

- WEDDING TIME. But first, Johnny has to request attendance at the wedding. Application granted, but man only 6 hours that's completely fucked up. No alcohol either, but that goes without saying doesn't it.

- Tony trying to measure dicks with this Muscles Marinara fella was comedic. By the way its been a month and a half since the last episode, according to Tony. Tony does not approve of AJ's new job at Blockbuster, he called it "the first stop on the shitbird express" and that sounds quite accurate.

- Paulie was extremely pissed at Chris during their card game, it was excellent. As was four people jumping to scoop the onions out of Tony's food.

- It's obvious that Junior will never be put on trial. The guy is mentally deficient. Later in the episode we find out that he doesn't even know he shot Tony. DAMN.

- "Thank you John." "Thank you who?" Thank you dad." HAHAHAHAHA

- Johhny wants Rusty dead, Tony says no, both things aren't good ideas at all but hey that's how things are gonna go from this point on.

- These Ahmed and Muhammad guys are weird. Chris is pretty stupid giving them card numbers and shit.

- Good on Carmela to dump the front page of the paper when it had Junior plastered all over it. I bet Tony wouldn't have been happy to see that first thing in the morning.

- This new Tony is so strange. Just with how he actually cares about things and all that. Damn the US Marshals are screening everyone into the church that's messed up. LOL at Tony saying you'd think bin Laden was getting married in there. Giving Tony a hard time at the metal detector was really fucked up. Remove your shoes come on he did a Marlon Brando and fell over that's fucked up. That's also REALLY good acting.

- Paulie and Chris joking about Allegra (the medicine) during this is much too much. Things like that are what people do at weddings though whether they'll admit to it or not.

- AJ's girlfriend is p. gross with that I don't eat fish because of the toxins and smoking inside of that big hall. Ironic as fuck. LOL Vito giving Finn a hard time AGAIN I can see how somebody would get extreme homo anxiety as a result of this.

- Awesome when Johnny and Tony had this conversation while feigning like they were talking to the old people round there. So Tony agreed to do the hit on Rusty, hard to say no on the day Johnny's daughter is trying to get married. Chris calling Tony's move on Rusty and the fashion for it to be committed a pussy maneuver was idiotic.

- When this show does sappy they do it in a gongshow fashion and I love it. Vito is so uninterested when dancing with his wife, I remember laughing so hard at this in the past. Hilarious how he begs out of the wedding. It's messed up how the Marshals are ready to shepherd John out of the room when his daughter is cutting the cake, that's as messed up as it gets. They wrap it up as fast as possible and now the shit hits the fan outside when the cocksucker US Marshal pulls in front of his daughter's car that's so screwed up. And oh no Ginny faints and hits the ground like a heavyweight wrestler. Phil's a dickhead when he said Johnny was a disgrace for crying, and everyone besides Tony seems to feel the same way. That's cold.

- Vito saying he needs to go make collections in the middle of the night is quite transparent. LOL at the NEw York guys going to make collections at some gay bar and running into Vito. This was one of the most hilarious things I'd ever seen. The way he was dressed and shit LOL. And they call him a fag and the other one cupcake. What a crazy scene. Vito's now gone to a motel cause he knows exactly what may happen. Calling Silvio was stupid, and of course very suspicious.

- Tony sizing up his competition here was great. It's obvious what he's thinking the whole time. First he looked at Bobby, that's probably not a good idea. He's big as fuck and too many people think he's weak. Paulie, I don't think so. Too old. So Tony sizes up the strongest looking guy in the whole place and decides he's gonna kick his ass to show people who's boss. Muscles Marinara you bout to get wrecked. One of my favorite scenes in the whole series, SUCKERPUNCHED HIM AND FUCKED HIM UP. Now everyone knows Tony's still boss better not fuck with him anytime soon. Little do they know bloody vomit flies all over the place in the restroom.

Videos:

Sopranos-Wedding Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LIihb1L41g#ws)

The Wedding from Hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqi_5FZrMMk#)

The Sopranos - Tony lays down a beating to show hes still the boss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_AoiGVVjrY#ws)

Of course the guy whose ass Tony kicked didn't fight back hard, cause if he would have it would've been a terrible idea and probably gotten him killed. Anyway, everyone's weaknesses were laid out on the table and the buildup to whatever it is that happens got a big boost here.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 03, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
LIVE FREE OR DIE


- What the hell is this with Vito having a piece on the side. He doesn't even fuck her which was a ridiculous thing to find out.

- This guy having to apologize to Tony after getting his ass kicked by him was funny, insight once again to how things work in mob land.

- Awesome how Chris finds out about Vito's gay bar exploits at an AA meeting. Of course he immediately goes to tell Paulie, Silvio, and Tony. The story is hilarious, how he relays the story of Vito wearing a motorcycle hat and chaps. "So what we gotta do Ton, see him taking it up the ass?" Patsy said he couldn't care less which made Paulie immediately suspicious of his sexuality. Also linked his weight loss to AIDS. That was great too.

- If Meadow had brought up the Muslim family who had their son snatched away a year previous you can bet Tony would have turned it into a blowout argument. But not this time.

- LOL at Benny finding Vito and saying that Tony's been looking for him for days, and that he needs to come in to see him. Of course Vito floors it out of the driveway, cause what other choice does he have? He thinks Tony will kill him.

- This kid Chris uses for the hitman job is a straight fiend. Paying him in drugs makes it strange for Chris to be carrying that shit, wouldn't he be worried about using that shit or did he suddenly get resolve?

- Vito emptying out his savings and going on the lam is pretty sad. He's also eating like a fat fucking slob again, so when he goes to grab his phone and throw it out the window, he also rubs sauce all over his pants which is GROSS. It was funny how hard this fool was driving in the rain, wasn't he worried about getting in a wreck? That would've been far worse than running over a branch I'm sure.

- Carmela's dad scamming building materials from her is some ice cold shit.

- Oh man the worst lines in TV history. The Johnny Cakes lines. Also weird for Vito to suddenly stop right in front of Gayville where a gay guy mans the grill. This is kind of a big show flaw.

- Silvio's line where he's sure Vito's wife doesn't get the pipe brought a smile to my face. As did Tony's conversation with the worker who picked up Vito's phone.

- Amazing how everyone gossips about Vito's sexuality. Tony looks like a cartoon character when he says to Melfi, "HE'S A FAAAAAAAAAAG." It's awesome when he also says "every TV show rubs your nose in it nowadays," that's what goes on here lol. Then he finally admits that he doesn't really care at all about Vito after all that posturing. And now again with Carmela and Rosalie doing it, they said Vito's wife should get tested. And Meadow of course, already knows what the problems are. LOL she just blurted it out, Finn saw him giving some guy a blowjob. That was a great reveal. Now Tony comes downstairs and hears this, it's too bad they didn't show his facial reaction when he heard.

Now over at Satriales, Finn is there, and has to tell everyone what he saw. They don't show him relaying the story there either. Just the immediate aftermath. Paulie's reaction is fucking amazing. Finn feels pretty awful because he KNOWS something bad is gonna happen as a result of this, but hey, the guy was harassing him like crazy.

- Now Phil knows too which is bad news. Horrible news that will obviously lead to horrible shit.

- LOL at Carmela finding out that Angie was doing business with Patsy and Benny. Awesome moment that of course, is going to be gossipped about with Rosalie right now.

- Silvio's explanation about how people could start witholding more money due to Tony's inaction on this Vito matter was very true. Of course these guys don't kick up correctly in the first place, so it stands to reason they could get angrier and do that.

- Hilarious how defensive Meadow is of her family. That was uh, not the case early on. Finn's right of course, there's some hypocrisy going on no doubt about it.

Videos:

Tony learned that Vito is a GAY - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7uH_rQC6fc#ws)

Sopranos - Vito a Fag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdUaqY0fMaw#ws)

The New Hampshire stuff in this one is very flawed. There are some funny parts here but all in all this is an episode and story arc that could have been done without. The initial blowjob that set all this off probably should have been treated in the way that Rawls being gay was in The Wire, ignored never to be mentioned again, but hey it's a different show and we go a different way.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 03, 2013, 03:01:46 PM
My favorite is Tony saying gay shit in jail gets a pass. Will never get that but sure.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 03, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
LUXURY LOUNGE

- The Italian guys are here to finally do their hit. Some impeccable instruction going on here by the fiend. BAM THERE GOES FRANKIE VALLI. Right in his driveway. And there they go back to Italy that was the easiest whacking there could have been.

- LOL at Phil's rant about Vito at the dinner. That was unbelievable.

- This credit card scam is ridiculous. No need to go into detail about it.

- Fucked up how people call Vito's kid Homo Junior. That's so wrong. The competition to Artie's place is apparently EXCELLENT, but Tony feels like a traitor. Tony clamming up as he did was nice, you never want to say too much to an asshole like Phil.

- Artie is being a bad dickhead right now. Not only is his food not at its best, but he's acting like cock blocker in chief. His spats with everyone are great though. Charmaine is right when she tells Artie he talks to his guests too much. His topics of conversation are usually pretty uncomfortable too.

- This storyline with Chris and Little Carmine is something I find extremely boring. It's pretty bad, and tough to watch Chris pound throw blow. Hooker is hot, but I thought he said he didn't have to pay?

- Damn Artie complaining about Tony's tab again. When he gets frustrated about business that's the go-to move.

- Murmur paying for this credit card info is something that annoys me, and it's not him but the assholes who dime out their customers like that. And see, now there's credit card fraud at the Vesuvio, so Artie's screwed. American Express is cutting him off.

- BOLLOCKS. Kingsley couldn't give less of a shit about this. "Law and Order the SUV" great comment by Chris. Their movie pitch is totally horrendous. LOOK AT ALL THIS FREE SWAG AT THE HOTEL. This does a great job highlighting how much both Chris and Little Carmine really don't know about the movie business.

- LOL ARTIE. I'VE BEEN GOOD TO YOU PIECES OF SHIT, BUT ALL YOU PAY ME BACK WITH NONSTOP ASSRAPE. Artie is the BEST. Why does the guy who played him get no work? Then we find out it's Benny and Martina who are doing the scam, what pieces of shit those two are.

- Artie's repressed rage hits a crazy level when he snipes the rabbit. DAMN.

- Chris was most definitely going through that hooker's purse regardless of what he says. This fool needs to stay off the bottle. So awkward when he and Murmur go in the elevator with Kingsley. In the end Chris cannot help but go back to his roots and try leaning on him for some free stuff.

- Artie knew immediately that it was this Albanian who scammed him. Awesome when she says I won't fuck you. I don't think he was trying to or anything, but that whole conversation set him off and he went to Benny's house what a moron. At least THIS TIME Artie kicks someone's ass. BENNY YOU GOIN DOWN.

- Charmaine going on the boat with Tony is kinda weird considering what she thinks of him. Now Artie has to do 2fer specials how unfair is that shit. Even still, Tony is not going to let Benny kill Artie, or do anything to him.

- This Lauren Bacall hijacking was screwed up. Damn Chris punched her in the face.

- Artie greeting old folks to his restaurant with a black eye cannot be too comfortable. So it's Benny's dinner at Vesuvio, and Artie can't help but say some stupid shit in front of Benny's wife, mom, and dad, "can I get you a Martina?" He fucked up real bad with that. Benny goes straight in the kitchen AND WHOA FUCK SENDS HIS HAND INTO A POT OF BOILING FUCKIN' HOT TOMATO SAUCE. We skip forward a little while, with Artie's hand bandaged on a different day, and Tony tells Artie that his table chatter isn't cool after they have a little argument.

- Chris is kind of dumb giving Tony those stolen tickets to Australia. Cause them shits ain't tracked right?

- The closing scene with Artie cooking that rabbit meal for the two customers at the very end was the best part of an average episode. In the end, he's having a hard time, and he's still not going to change. Not for the good of his business, nothing.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Artie lays down a beating on Benny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePs3uc9NeSI#ws)

Lauren Bacall getting robbed by Christopher Moltisanti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKlgJkgqo1U#)

Very, very average showing this time.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 03, 2013, 07:53:15 PM
JOHNNY CAKES


- Well we've just been signaled that Tony can have sex now, cause we kicked off the episode with him and Carmela getting it on. LOL at Tony's face when he sees these guys coming out of AJ's room. "Your amigos" lol. AJ's selling his drums cause he needs scrilla.

- LOL at the grill guy showing up and putting out a fire. Is this over the top or what? Is this the same world as the one we're used to in this show, where people actually do good things with no ulterior motive?

- AJ and Tony pounding down brews while fishing is weird, when he asks what's gonna happen to Junior, Tony has a great response in saying fuck him, I don't care.

- Was interesting when Patsy tried to extort a corporate franchise. That was totally not going to work out. Computers and shit killing the mafia.

- Lol when Tony is approached by a Jamba Juice rep about selling a building. Price is pretty low and it would be cold to sell out from under him.

- Vito's version of spitting game to Johnny Cakes is hilarious to watch. It's not even really spitting game as much as awkwardly beating around the bush and saying "it's fucking delicious" and stuff like that.

- AJ at Blockbuster talking with this dude in front of the kid and his mom was so funny, yet wrong at the same time. Fuckin' this and fuckin' that. On the back of this, I was really tired of this Melfi meetings with Elliot a while back, and I still am. They're lame. 

- How can these douchebags have bottle service and shit. 1890 bucks what the fuck how can AJ work at Blockbuster all day guy cover that even after selling his drums. That doesn't make sense.

- Tony and Phil arguing about Vito is really ridiculous. They agree but it doesn't seem to matter, Phil is overbearing as it gets. Speaking of Vito, he stole some guy's phone to call home, and his wife is telling him the gay can be cured. I'm not sure the guy who plays Vito has the acting chops for this part.

- Ha at Julianna finding Tony at the Bing. Tony's initial principles made total sense to me, mainly in that America does look the same fucking everywhere, and it's terrible that such a thing has happened in our country. Of course that doesn't have a thing to do with why Tony won't sell the building to Jamba Juice.

- Amazing that Vito supposedly stared at the firemen doing their drills in a field. Creepy shit. It was funny when Vito punched Johnny Cakes for kissing him considering that Vito then got his ass kicked.

- At this point AJ has become a drain on Tony and Carmela's marriage. They're happy, and romantic which is real weird, but AJ comes around and ruins that. And now we see AJ snorting some X in a club. This dude is too dumb for real.

- AJ wanting to be woke up at 10 AM only to laze out at 4 PM was uh, odd? Whoa shit he's got a knife. AND HE'S AT JUNIOR'S CRAZY PLACE. What is this kid thinking? At least this idiot dropped his knife. When Tony confronts him about this is one of the best moments all season. He doesn't want his kid to be ANYTHING like him and that's reflected here. Now Tony is really depressed about the goings-on, and completes the Jamba Juice deal, pending signatures and all that.

- Vito grabbing Cakes hand was just a little awkward. Just because of how recalcitrant he was previously.

- There is a huge sense of impending dread regarding this scene because the viewer knows what Tony intends to do with this Julianna, and that shit just ain't right. Even more not right than usual cause of how much Carmela has helped him. I mean their relationship has done a full 180. Even now, having seen this before, it feels wrong. I was glad at how this ended with Tony finally undergoing some behavior correction. What the fuck is this it's weird. Yet feels right.

- AJ panic attacking again should be the catalyst for lifestyle change, right?

- Tony raging out over the food that's in the fridge, or rather not in the fridge is ridiculous, but rather he do that than smash with some sleaze.

Video:

The Sopranos - AJ Seeks Revenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZIWL-Nrwvw#ws)

Only one notable video moment here. Shelving the mafia storylines hurt previous episodes, but not this one. Instead, this one is hurt by the Vito storyline. At this point, I'm hardly even paying attention to it and am awaiting the story to shift back to Jersey. I can't get over how contrived Vito's scenario seems, which keeps me from being emotionally invested in any way. And he's so far away that his disconnection from the rest of the characters makes it pretty meaningless. I don't know what Chase was thinking having so much of this on screen. The AJ storyline was excellent though, far and away the best in this episode and best since Johnny Sack's at the wedding.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: The Real FFMS on January 05, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
Saw the guy that played a bartender in the show doing stand up last night. he said there was gonna be a movie so take that for what its worth.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 05, 2013, 01:57:37 PM
THE RIDE

- Funny how we're introduced to a new character by her telling Chris that she's pregnant. She was worried but that's what Chris wanted this whole time so what the hell time to get married.

- Awful how the new priest tried to extort more money out of Paulie. 10k to 50k? Get real stingy ass Paulie is never doing something like that.

- ROAD TRIP. A big deal isn't made out of that specifically, but Tony stops to take a leak and he and Chris come along a biker gang stealing some wine. Like true criminals they go straight after the cases. Initially they just wanted a few for themselves. Amazing how Chris goads them, but then things turn into a shootout and Chris clips one as they drive away. Great scene.

- The dinner scene is just as good as Tony reverts back to cartoon character form. Unfortunately though, he gets Chris to drink a glass of wine and as we know that isn't good. Of course it doesn't end at a glass either, Tony tempts him into having more. Chris is unable to moderate, that's why he had to go to rehab, so this isn't good for him. And then oh shit they show what happened on the day of Chris finding out about Adriana. Tough to watch that.

- Hilarious how this feast for the Saint is basically a mob party. Similarly so is how Phil and Tony are somewhat chummy. Oh boy when Carmela sees Adriana's mom you know some bad shit is about to take place. And it does when she tells Carmela that Adriana is dead, and the FBI told her that Chris did the murder. Wrong on the latter part.

- Chris paying the junkie in heroin once again, this time though he can't help but get in on that action. Even after telling the other guy he needed to get help. What a moron.

- The parade of the Saint starts and everyone notices he doesn't have his gold hat. Cheap ass Paulie. He's having a biopsy on his prostate by the way.

- Tony and Carmela's conversation about Adriana was extremely interesting. "Let me school you on domestic violence, first and foremost, there's always a body."

- Ha at Janice and Bobby Junior trying to fit in those small ass teacups. This kid is all like this is for babies and shit, well nope this turned out to be a hardcore ride cause it's messed up and jolts to a stop. When Paulie hears about it he doesn't give that much of a shit. Now Janice tells Tony about it, and Meadow chimes in to bring up the idea of monetary compensation, so Janice starts grabbing her neck and criticizing Bobby for inaction. Now she has a neck brace and Bobby goes straight over to the ride owner's place, pistol whips the guy, and says give me 25 thousand cash. But the guy blames Paulie for it and shit's gonna hit the fan no doubt.

- Cannoli eating contest that's just gross, but Bobby goes over to the place and starts some shit, which causes everyone to have a look. Look what Janice stirred up this time, the aftermath wouldn't have been so bad had she not said anything. Bobby and Paulie had a big blowout, hopefully I'll be able to link a video. Afterward, Nucci sees him getting an espresso, and tells him that people are talking about him being cheap. His response is to say fuck her and his real mother. Dick.

- Bobby and Paulie are incapable of being in the same room as we see at Chirstopher's bachelor party dinner. Bobby's like fuck it, I've gotta go. Tony thinks Paulie's in the wrong, which is no doubt correct, he screwed up with his stingy attitude and has to pay for it this time. Tony levels him out, because as we know Paulie has a propensity to get wound up by bad news.

- LOL at Tony going over to cheer up his niece.

- Paulie seeing the Virgin Mary at the Bing was awfully strange, yet something you'd certainly expect from him. Awesome how he goes over to Nucci's and silently apologizes by plopping down in front of the television.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Tony and Chrissy steal some wine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eawx2ZDeaWA#)

Paulie, Bobby & Cannolis Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrBU9ExD0WM#ws)

The first forty minutes or so was one of my favorite stretches in the series. Great television.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 05, 2013, 03:47:23 PM
MOE N' JOE

- Sal Vitro's got some balls asking if he can stop doing Johnny Sack's yard. Tony saying "don't you think this is the time Mrs. Sacrimoni needs you the most" was excellent. I love how Johnny is so against ratting out, that's what you signed up for, and that's what you should hold up to when you got into this thing.

- Janice lobbying for Bobby's captaincy was perfectly valid. It is bullshit that he's not a captain.

- lol Johnny Cakes finding out that Vito wasn't writing a book about Rocky Marciano. How did he not realize that in the first place? That's small town naivety to a T. Vito telling him some of the truth regarding his life was a bit of a surprise, but he still lies about a lot of this stuff.

- Bobby trying to get his kid into train sets was amusing. I know its gotta be sad for a dad to find out their kid doesn't want to do something with them.

- LOL at Vito doing real construction work, being unable to hack it, and taking a nap. Getting caught too.

- It was funny when Tony finally came out with his feelings of loving to see Bobby and Janice get shit on at all times. Revelation to find out Janice extorted him with a tape recording of Tony and Barbara arguing.

- Vito jumping at the chance to be heroic was unusual, even more so was Johnny Cakes getting mad about it.

- Man Bobby getting fucked up by those kids, that shit ain't right. When they shoot at the asphalt and the bullet fragments get in his eye that's messed up.

- Tony's attempt to get these guys to sell their company on behalf of Johnny Sack was a complete and total failure.

- So Paulie does have prostate cancer. Caught very early though. If the show had killed him off in this way that woulda been sad.

- Tony subsequently shitting on Bobby is ice cold. Is it really all about the money? That being said it's funny when Tony has to go over to their place, watch the game Bobby's son doesn't wanna watch, the kid says he hates the fuckin' Giants, and the furniture is broken. Plus Janice corrects Bobby Junior in a terrible, humiliating manner and now Tony is starting to feel sorry for Bobby.

- Awesome to hear what's inside Vito's head, whoever thought of this came up with a brilliant idea. But it wasn't even 11:30, it was 9:50. Great scene. Vito can't take any more of this shit, so he packed up, took his car and got the fuck out of there. Thankfully this storyline is over. And of course, he's going back to the NY/NJ area!

- Johnny's 15 year deal, well frankly that shit sucks, but it's better than the alternative.

- Now Tony has to listen to Meadow's problems, which is obviously not going to go over well considering Tony has a hard time saying the right thing at the right time. So of course he says, "it's good to talk to Carmela about this stuff", and then, "when you're living in sin with some guy" bad ideas, both of those. And then doesn't help Carmela with the spec house which is fucked up and I don't understand quite why he feels that way. But it's interesting how he places this on Carmela by saying how far do you want to push, essentially putting her in position to say end the guy, but she never would.

- Vito shooting this guy is really fucked up, makes it easier to hate him too.

- Hahaha it's funny how Chris gets the Maserati taken away. He bought the car but it doesn't matter, Ginny got the money, Chris gets nothing.

- Vito drives past Satriale's but no way he's stopping.

- Wow at Tony doing something for Janice, that's a real fucking trip. Or is it for Bobby? I think the latter. Janice going over to his pad, crying, and all that was a very typical Janice moment. I'm talking about Tony making it possible for Janice and Bobby to get Johnny Sack's house.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Vito's work (S06E10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUgHDXOdUos#ws)

For some reason Bobby getting mugged isn't on YouTube which is pretty stupid. Anyway, it's nice to get some action coming back over the last few episodes, I think I was going without it for a little while there.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 05, 2013, 04:10:52 PM
Vito whacking the guy getting his mail is completely fucked up and I really don't see the point of the scene.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 05, 2013, 04:14:51 PM
It's to show that even though he went to New Hampshire, didn't have to hide in the closet anymore and all that, he still came back as the same guy who shot Jackie Jr. from behind, leaving him in the snow in cold blood. Also to reiterate that Vito's fantasy land in New Hampshire and the real world back in his neck of the woods are two totally different places. He learned nothing, changed in no way.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 05, 2013, 05:19:04 PM
COLD STONES


- Apparently AJ lost his job, didn't tell Carmela that he'd been fired from Blockbuster. He is an absolute dickhead, plain and simple. Telling his mom he spent a grand at the club was one of the stupidest things, not ever, but really stupid. And then he waits for Tony to leave the room to give him the finger, what a douche.

- Interesting for Meadow to say that she was going to California. That would be a bombshell for a parent to hear. Tony tries to fall back asleep though.

- Tony should have went to Paris with Carmela, that was just what he needed, but he passed it up which was pretty short-sighted.

- Whoa at Vito ambushing Tony in a mall. Terrible idea, but it isn't like he had another choice. And Vito's back in the closet, says he isn't a fag. Silvio says about this, "that's the thing with the gays. This living in the closet - makes them devious." Paulie is immediately against Vito's idea to get back in this thing, but doesn't say anything. It's just the look.

- Vito having dinner with his kids, yet telling them not to be telling anyone that he's at home, that's so dumb. And telling his kids he's a spy in the CIA, who was in Afghanistan....bwhahahahaha. Calling Johnny Cakes is pretty sick in the head, shouldn't have talked to him anymore.

- French rap welcoming Carmela and Rosalie to Paris was quite the thing. The city appeared to be quite dreary on the first glimpse, which means...you shouldn't go there in the winter.

- This guy loaning money from Vito right now is a genius. Phil is extremely pissed that Vito is around, Tony doesn't want to hear about that shit though. But he knows it's time to get rid of Vito, he's gotta go, and tells Silvio exactly that. Carlo should handle that shit, so sez Tony.

- Carmela is that overbearing traveler type, Rosalie on the other hand is the lazy ass traveling type who just goes along to do whatever. Carmela went to this place looking to find herself, and what it really means to be alive, Rosalie is nothing like that at all.

- Phil's wife is so anti-gay, it explains why he follows in these footsteps. I don't think he needs the persuasion though.

- The editing is top notch, how it cuts back from Carmela in church to Tony in the middle of getting blown. Pretty huge contrast there.

- Vito calling Tony and expecting to meet him in the morning (where he'd then die) only to be welcomed to Phil in his motel room indicates an early death for our fat friend. Phil doesn't partake, he sits and watches. That's sick. Bobby brings the guys the news at Satriales, they all cannot help but mention it, everyone knows Phil did it. Tony's not really in position to say anything, cause if Tony endorses it, the other captains know Tony could let them get killed too. If he's against it, Phil will find out. So Tony will just vent to Silvio and come up with a plan.

- Was great when Tony saw AJ sitting around on the computer after coming home and had a look of extreme disgust on his face. The guy won't work, won't help out around the house, or do anything.

- Carmela seems so lonely in Paris, has a hard time forgetting about what's going on at home. Unfortunate.

- Phil's comment of "I loved him like a brother in law" was amusing.

- Therapy is clearly irrelevant at this point and only serves to humor Tony, because he doesn't want to talk about anything meaningful. He just needs for someone to hear all his shit.

- Bad idea for Carmela to bring up the two Jackie's in Paris. That's the worst timing possible.

- Hey, it's one of Phil's guys who is known for pretty much this scene only at Satriales. He can't help but talk all that shit, so Carlo & Silvio end this asshole. It was pretty stupid for the guy to linger around and not keep his mouth shut. Silvio jumping on him in giving a sleeper hold as Carlo stabbed him was awesome. Now Silvio had to lock the door to make sure nobody went there and make up some story. Tony shows up, and they tell him not to come in, but he insists, and sees. Well they told him not to come back there.

- Now Tony walks in when AJ is playing video games with his friend, and of course it's time to let out some rage. He tried to be nice at first and tell him that he set up a construction job, but AJ is of course not a fan of this at all, and tells Tony so. In response Tony launches a football helmet into his windshield which signals AJ better not fuck him around any longer with this stuff.

- This dream of Carmela's with Adriana in it was so weird. No matter how far Carmela goes away, she can't get away from her life.

- Sad when the kids read Vito's news story regarding his murder.

- Carmela is back to the grind, doing laundry not even a full day after getting home. That was, er, odd

Videos:

The Sopranos - Tony decides to whack Vito (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPna2vsf1cs#ws)

The Sopranos - Vito gets whacked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLJQFZlkDuQ#ws)

Silvio and Carlo kill Fat Dom - The Sopranos HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSoeSscFZX0#ws)

Best episode of a pretty weak season, the worst season so far IMO. There's been a lot of filler this time, but there's a finale to look forward to and this one got back to business. Even considering the stakes, Carlo and Silvio being unable to control themselves not only sums up this murder, but nearly every pulse decision in the whole series made by these guys. They're nuts.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 05, 2013, 05:47:16 PM
I get that about Vito but was capping a civilian really the best way to illustrate that? Drinking in the morning, calling the casino and fucking around at work made that point clearly. As far as the last episode, we get it, Tony will always fuck around on Carmela. How many times do we need to see his vinegar strokes to hammer that home.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 06, 2013, 03:29:27 PM
KAISHA

- The scenes that outline Fat Dom's disposal are my favorite type of scenes in TV. Head goes down the sewer, body goes somewhere down the shore. Right after that, Phil's wire shop gets blown up as hes walking towards it. It was amusing to see him jump in the air without real cause at the bomb's explosion.

- Tony still is a sleaze hound. I think that's well established.

- Adriana's mom tried to kill herself, as we see in a short glimpse. This leads to a small blowout between Tony and Carmela, actually, it isn't that bad. Surprising.

- Bobby with this eyepatch is amazing. He looks like a fat mobbed up Captain Hook. Or like some guy down the way who'd be listed on a sex offender website. LOL at Chris lying about having a black piece on the side. Why's he gotta do that? Well we'll find out real quick. WTF it's Julianna. Also, Chris doesn't want to be married to his new wife Kelli. Far too late for that though. Kelli doesn't understand him, well yeah that's obvious.

- Paulie asking AJ what the fuck he was doing was a great moment, AJ caught up in total lust EVEN BETTER.

- Little Carmine hosting a meeting between Tony and Phil is something everyone knows is destined for a bad end. Tony and Phil had ironed it out, but Carmine kept talking and ruined the whole fucking thing by bringing up Phil's brother Billy.

- AJ once again spots Blanca and uh, she gets him to take her out, but doesn't give him the whole phone number. That's a neat trick. This is the best thing AJ has lucked into for quite a while.

- Was interesting to see how Chris and Julianna came to meet each other, while she was in AA telling a story about Tony. That's quite the coincidence. Of course, they got it on just a bit afterward.

- Oh no at Carmela wanting to hire a professional to track Adriana down. If she only knew. Tony now wants Silvio to lean on the building inspector big time, cause if she has a house to build, she'll forget about Adriana.

- Margulies and Imperioli have great chemistry on-screen so uh, this was a really good pairing. Murmur telling Chris they'd enable each other was interesting. Julianna's friend's advice was to stay away from married guys, especially mobbed up ones. That's actually great advice.

- New York captains talking about what to do with Tony was so interesting. They want Tony dead, but Phil isn't gonna do that.

- AJ showing BRAIN POWER right here when the guys turned up loud ass music and Blanca wanted it turned off. Give them a BRIBE. A good mountain bike, that's a GREAT IDEA. His parents are rich he can afford that. Then he gets laid cause of that smart move.

- Was funny when Carmela found out the building inspector had been leaned on. Actual joy in their house what's going on here.

- See, Murmur is right, now these two are enabling each other and getting back into drugs. Well that's just great for the both of them. Chris has a pregnant wife so this guy is just an idiot.

- Phil says that he's sick, so he goes straight to the ER, is told his heart's fine, now he's having a heart attack in the middle of the night. Tony telling everyone he's happy about this was a massive mistake, one of those guys could have ran off at the mouth over that.

- So Bobby goes to see Junior, and Junior is just out of it. Bobby returns his monetary Christmas gift, Junior responds by saying it's for Karen and the kids, and that maybe he wasn't acting alone when Tony was shot. Poor guy has completely lost his mental faculties.

- Tony spotting Chris with Julianna was good for a laugh. Chris had the worst lie too. "A friend of Kaisha." Tony surely must know better. Those two have pretty much fallen out in terms of their drug use, it's all the time now. Anyway, Chris admits to Tony that he's seeing Julianna, and doesn't appear angry on the surface. But underneath, as we see in therapy, Tony is seething.

- It's pretty weird that Agent Harris is at Satriales to tell Tony that there's a possible attempt coming on somebody in his family. So, is he telling him because Tony's been nice to him and doesn't want to see him die, or what?

- Was weird how Chris and Julianna went about breaking it off. They went outside together, but took two separate cars to a meeting and we never see them together again.

- Amusing how Phil can cry after his heart attack but shit all over Johnny for crying when he had hard times.

- LOL at this beret Tony's wearing during the Soprano family Christmas present fest. The look on Tony's face when he saw Blanca cracked me up in that I expected a long rant against it in private with Carmela. Because of race, age, and the child. But he wasn't all that mad, cause it seems like he's fine with AJ having something, someone. Low expectations and stuff.


Nothing notable for videos this time. If this counts as a finale, this is the worst. So is this season. Lots of filler, and not a whole lot of conclusion either. Rather than wind it down, the series entered a type of holding pattern after Tony's recovery.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 06, 2013, 05:06:36 PM
SOPRANO HOME MOVIES


- FLASHBACK: Johnny Sack and Tony talking on Johnny's porch. This is the FBI arrest of Johnny scene. Some kid sees Tony toss his gun in the snow, picks it up. Then shoots it on accident, but takes it back into his pad. Forward 3 years (oh wait Meadow's back in Jersey), and the idiot kid got arrested, told the cops that the gun was Tony's. So they brought the whole gong show parade to his house and are giving him a weapons charge for hollow point ammunition. So at the lockup he's been thrown in with a whole bunch of mopes and some guy takes a shit in the background (lol).

- On the Phil front, he's out of the hospital. This one guy of his, the captain, he's got weird eyes.

- Oh boy AJ has Blanca's name tattooed on his forearm. That had escaped my memory. LOL when Blanca said "they let him out already."

- Awesome when the federal prosecutor tells this dopehead who pressed charges that he was an idiot and they've been building a case against Tony for a really long time, so what the fuck was he thinking? Tony doesn't know that the FBI picked the case up though. To Bobby's place upstate they go.

- See how these guys got an AR-10. GUN CONTROL THAT SHIT. Funny how that's a birthday present when Tony just had a gun charge. Ironic how Bobby said his grandfather came into the country illegally and then said WE OUGHTA BUILD A WALL NOW. Tony not being able to accept that he's different now was so typical of his character. If he can't have fun his way, nobody's going to have fun.

- His face when he busted a nut after a birthday blowjob was creepy as fuck.

- AJ and Blanca sleeping in Tony and Carmela's bed cracked me up. And of course it's time for a big ass pool party.

- Most people would say that what these four are doing right now is the life, but I'm not sure it is. Middle of nowhere, on a boat, that might not be for me. Tony thinking that Bobby should help him out more over the long-term and perhaps take over Christopher's role was quite interesting. And frankly, he should do it. He's far more reliable than a smackhead, actually cares about Tony, and he's a pretty good guy. Probably the best guy of all the mobbed up characters.

- LOL karaoke, I wish they had showed Tony singing. Carmela was funny enough. And now Monopoly that's when you can tell people are getting old. I like how Tony steals from the bank, and how Bobby has this running argument over the free parking rule (which I always utilized when younger). Now Tony's blabbing while drunk cause he can't hold his liquor and trading bad family stories with Janice. Tony gets so angry when Janice tells the one about Johnny Soprano shooting a bullet through Livia's hair-do. And then when Janice lands on Boardwalk and Tony says "yeah you blew guys under it," I knew at that moment shit would get buck. Carmela thinks his second joke about a German Shepherd's shaved asshole winning first prize in a beauty contest was funny, but then he started with that boardwalk song about Janice. "Under the boardwalk, with his schlong in Jan's mouth" that was kinda hilarious yet extremely fucked up. Tony just couldn't let it go. I can't help but watch that part of the scene five times. Now Bobby sucker punches him and they full out brawl. GODDAMN TONY PUTS HIM THROUGH SOME GLASS, BOBBY HITS HIM WITH SOME BODY SHOTS, TONY KICKS HIM, PUNCHES, CHOKES HIM NOW, AND CARMELA TRIES TO GET IN BUT THAT'S A BAD IDEA. NOW BOBBY HEADBUTTS HIM, PUNCHES HIM IN THE GUT, THEN THE FACE AND DOWN TONY SOPRANO GOES FOR THE COUNT.

- So Bobby leaves considering that he probably thinks Tony will kill him. Or well, he tried to leave and backed his Jeep into a tree. Bobby did the right thing here, but Janice berates Bobby and thinks some bad shit's going to happen to him. Tony wakes up in the middle of the night, all groggy, and decides to go in Bobby's room. And he tells Bobby "you beat me fair and square" LOL.

- Funny he said Bobby beat him fair and square cause for the rest of this trip Tony does not act like that's the case in any way whatsoever. "That throw rug wouldn't have been there, Bobby would have got his ass kicked" and then, he starts talking about Carmela being blown away by him kicking some guy's ass in like the early 80's or some shit. This episode is acted out to the highest degree of quality. Excuses, excuses, and Tony believes this makes him much less of a man. Not just this but the shooting as a major contributory factor. Then Tony brings it up with Bobby and demeans Bobby's victory in their fight which was typical Tony Soprano, hilarious and cartoon character like.

- I think Janice and Carmela were worried that Tony would kill Bobby when they left. At least that's the vibe I got. But now, Janice is spooked because Carmela and Tony told her this story about the kid at the pool party, but her daughter cracked me up when she got mad at being taken out of the water. It backfired on Carmela and Tony to bring that up. Janice bringing up the Richie Aprile incident in a roundabout way without telling Carmela who it was or what exactly happened was interesting. Janice subconsciously does shit, and this time when she did to Carmela when hinting that Tony would wait to get Bobby for years she got called out on it. Also Carmela doesn't know Tony at all if she thinks Tony isn't vindictive. Or maybe this is her defense system going up when someone questions a member of her family as it always does.

- Was interesting how the Montreal guys brought up the one guy's problem, then hinted at Tony perhaps getting rid of it or some such. Tony knew immediately what he was going to do as soon as this was brought up. Bobby is gonna pop his no murder cherry with a hit here. Now that is vindictive and that is how you get revenge on someone. Cruel, of course, but not necessarily wrong, Bobby's been in the mafia for a long time without killing anyone. That being said, Bobby's a good guy and Tony is deliberately attempting to destroy that. Which is wrong. So this is a pretty complex situation, in that he should do the murder as that is his job requirement, yet is too good a person to do the deed. Obviously murder is wrong, so I'm not attempting to justify that at all, but in context it is interesting.

- To Montreal Bobby goes, and the target is in the laundry room. Bobby puts the gun on him and shoots him in the chest, then one more for good measure and he's a goner, as the guy rips his shirt. He kinda did that in a bad way (in terms of looking straight at the guy while killing him, at his face or whatever) and in this day and age shouldn't have dropped the piece, but whatever.

- Tony now finds out the feds took his case on as a RICO predicate. That's bad, and right as he was watching the home movie tape Janice made him for his birthday.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Cops Arrest Tony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2dUWRyC0Fs#ws)

Tony and Bobby Fighting Scene - The Sopranos (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiq2pBrLyNw#ws)

Bobby Bacala clips a french dude (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnbWCE38tlY#)

Best episode since Season 5 and maybe even longer. It's about time Bobby got another serious episode where he wasn't humiliated through comedy or a side story.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on January 07, 2013, 12:21:12 AM
I'm telling you guys, 6B is the best season in the entire series.  6A was the worst, but I felt it was just set up for the second part anyway.

I don't think it is too out of the ordinary for the FBI to inform someone in the mob if they or someone in their family is going to get hit.  They are supposed to be on the side of the law, or "good", and allowing murders to take place would be against what they are trying to uphold.  They always have an agenda though; buddy up to guys in the family so if the shit starts to hit the fan, anyone who wants to flip knows they have a contact that can help them out of whatever jam they are in.

In "real life", Al Pacino's character in Donnie Brasco wasn't hit - the feds stopped him on the street and let him know that he was going to get whacked out by the family for letting Donnie in so he turned and entered the witness protection program.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 07, 2013, 06:30:47 PM
STAGE 5


- Cleaver is almost done! It's hilarious how Daniel Baldwin is the mob boss, that's about as weak a main casting move you can possibly make.

- First time through, John with cancer was a complete surprise. And that he was on oxygen. What the hell? That's what happens when you smoke for a long time and shit. He has 3 months left, but he's tries to avoid telling Ginny and his daughter exactly that. Man they (prison guards) won't even let him hug his family without interruption that's unbelievably fucked up. He bums a cig now cause why the hell not, he's headed for death. And quitting didn't solve that problem. John's holed up in Missouri now, by the way.

- Now we find out Meadow has broken it off with Finn. Odd. Blanca says some weird stuff at times, like in this scene. It's too weird to put to type but she's obviously angry with AJ about some bullshit.

- This orderly who's really a guy in for life is strange. He killed his wife and his wife's aunt. Reason it's weird is just cause you know, he lost his right to practice medicine, right? So all his advice to John is weird.

- Ha at Tony being all alarmed by Agent Harris and his buddy pulling up to his driveway. They tell him it would be to his and their benefit if Tony was to tell the FBI about any shit going on with terrorism or the like.

- And here we are at the Cleaver premiere. Half or more of the people in the crowd are mobbed up. Hilarious when JT expected to get props from Chris for the movie's production, but the props went to Tony instead. JT doesn't get any love and neither does the Asian guy who wanted to say a thing or two. I think he was the director. LOL at the scene in Tony's basement. Not LOL at the mob boss taking advantage of the hero's broad. That was so obviously a link to what Chris thought about Tony and Adriana.

- After that, Blanca is being a bitch to AJ again. He's gotta get that bitch in check, but actually, he can't because he's gone way out of his league and would get dumped on immediately. She has license to walk all over him. Ha at Larry Boy Barese getting busted for skipping house arrest when he's done that for years. They finally caught him. Now Phil's out of the boss chair because of what Tony told him.

- GERALDO! That's great for him to be on TV talking about the mob. Then some lame ass white guy is a mob expert, it's like Jim Cornette talking about gangster rap. COME ON. And it was Dr. Elliot watching the program.

- John taking some jailbird's advice for solid information was sad, but it highlights how much people want to hold onto the life they have. He can talk all that shit about wanting the truth, don't bullshit him or whatever, but nobody really wants to believe the hard truth. They'll cling to whatever they can get.

- Carmela is ANGRY about how the boss was portrayed in Cleaver. She thinks the boss was a dead ringer for Tony. Tony didn't understand that the scene in the movie had anything to do with Adriana and him at all. Tony asks Silvio what he thinks about it, and gets a non-answer/non committal, meaning that he doesn't want to say anything to piss Tony off. So he thinks everyone has the same opinion about that scene as Carmela does. Which is obviously the truth!

- Chris has a new sponsor, by the way. And he gets followed pretty often by some FBI cat. He doesn't go to the Bing anymore either.

- Johnny smoking cracked me up. I mean, what the hell's he supposed to do with his life. He's in jail, he's going to die, he can't share anything with his family, can't touch them, so, I mean, what?

- This scene where Gerry Torciano gets it helps reflect what I think of the finale. He gets it pretty fuckin' bad. Shot a handful of times, blood all over the place and all over Silvio. See, Silvio knows better than to get involved and try to stop the shooter, cause that puts you against someone else not to mention it's illegal. The sound and visual effect in that scene was spectacular.

- Tony gambling on football leads to something later obviously, or they wouldn't show something that seemed so obviously meaningless. Carmine wants no part of settling the dispute for the New York big seat that was a part of Gerry's death and the shooting. And why would he? He gets to live a good life, good money, low stress level, basically exactly what Tony wants. Difference is Tony wants to have his cake as boss and eat it too.

- Chris and Carmela have an intriguing conversation. She is not happy about Cleaver and the Tony/Adriana story in it. Now Carmela brings that Adriana thing up again and said "is it any wonder" that she left for another guy. Whoa. Chris tells JT that he BETTER tell Tony it was his idea to include that scene, and we find out it was Chris idea. So, he cracks a glass award over JT's head. That means he better fuckin' do what Chris says. And he does, but Tony doesn't believe him because of that bump and abrasion on his head. JT's bullshit story was pretty good though, until the injury excuse.

- Johnny is in pretty rough shape here. The orderly guy tells him about Gerry Torciano, but Johnny can hardly say anything in response.

- Tony is really hurt by what he perceives to be total betrayal by Chris. I mean he cries and everything at his appointment with Melfi. That is somewhat, uh, shocking. He thinks Chris wants to see Tony dead, and to be honest I don't know if that's entirely false. Over these last two months I have seen a lot to indicate that may be the case, and vice-versa with Tony to Chris.

- Johnny dying in bed like that sucked. That being said, when my dad goes as these characters dad/husband goes, I honestly think I'd rather it be by surprise. Because I wouldn't want my dad to suffer like that, and regardless of the effect it would have on me, fuck that it just wouldn't be right. This show is pretty good at getting the viewer to explore their personal feelings.

- Funny how they changed Phil's ancestors last name at Ellis Island from Leonardo to Leotardo. That can't be too great a change. All this reflection made Phil think of taking the boss chair back and going hard at everyone who fucked him over. And that plus Tony and Chris having strange looks on their faces while hugging (like the love is not felt in any way) each other at Christopher's daughter's christening sets us up for a killer finishing run.

Videos:

"Cleaver" from The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhN9McMQFLk#)

The Sopranos - Tony Meets With Carmine Lupertazzi Jr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2JOz3c6ZQE#ws)

Another great episode. It did the show a lot of good to illustrate that Phil's the most vindictive guy you could ever meet (way more than Tony) when Phil expressed that he doesn't forget shit that happened to him even before he was born!

I'm telling you guys, 6B is the best season in the entire series.  6A was the worst, but I felt it was just set up for the second part anyway.

I think you might be right, but I remember absolutely detesting the closing act of Kennedy and Heidi the last time I watched it. But still, so far, it does a great job in closing out characters that everyone by this point had become very attached to, so while I don't think the outcomes cause very much joy (which dampens it in best season talks), it is the natural conclusion for a lot of them. Naturally more people will pick the seasons that they derive the most natural enjoyment out of in terms of who comes, who goes, best vendetta, all that.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on January 08, 2013, 04:59:41 AM
Following this thread has made me start reading my Mafia books again which has inspired me to potentially make a Mafia thread in the NHB or Current Events folder where I post a short history on some of the people and events for various mob families in the U.S.  Would anyone be interested in reading these?
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 08, 2013, 05:07:51 AM
Yes, very.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 08, 2013, 05:14:33 AM
REMEMBER WHEN


- Paulie meeting Tony at his house was quite unusual. I don't think they've ever met at Tony's house alone. He tells Tony that the feds are digging into Tony's first murder. That's some bad shit. Larry Boy Barese couldn't keep his fuckin' mouth shut.
FLASHBACK: Paulie's voice, says do it, Tony buries the guy. That was long ago, 25 years. This killing was how Tony got made.

So he's getting out of town. To Miami he and Paulie shall go.

- To Junior's asylum or living facility or whatever you call it, and he's talking with some old-timers. One of them being Pat Blundetto, the guy who had the farm in Season 5. They have an idea for Junior to escape but he's never gonna remember that. OH YEAH it's the crazy Asian guy. We find that Junior has organized a card game and paid some orderly to sneak in some contraband. Vile shit like sodas, candy, real illegal stuff. Junior can't even remember what he wants to say from one second to the next. That's sad. Look at all the money he's gonna make off these guys.

- Paulie is clearly driving Tony nuts with all this talking. But Tony indulges him and brings up the mole on Ginny's ass joke. Seems like he knows it was Paulie who said it.

-  A poker game with all these nutcases, that's not a great idea. LOL at Junior being the entertaining story-teller during this. Amusing how the professor guy breaks it up. It's funny how Junior takes this kid under his wing, because earlier in the series he said he felt his life was a waste because he didn't have children, wife, or any of that. Am I reading too much into this or is slightly demented Junior trying to teach someone his way of life?

- lol Paulie saying to Tony we met those 16 year old hillbilly who-ores near the taxi stand at some place in Virginia that cracked me up. Unfortunately their dive no longer exists and has been replaced by some real hotel. Wraps and salads only through room service wtf. And nachos at some bar as their food of choice? Yikes they don't even look like nachos. They look like potato chips with olives and Kraft cheese thrown on top. Paulie's story about the state trooper in 60's Virginia was amazing. Said his cousin was named Barney Fife, got punched by the trooper, and Johnny Soprano had to bribe the trooper with about 150 bucks to get him to go away. That was a laugh and I have not done the story justice by any stretch. We also find out Johnny is the one who gave Tony his first kill. That's kind of a fucked up situation.

- LOL how Paulie is telling stories to random fellas and announcing to the world that he's on his way to Miami. And HOOOOO all these danishes he's taking. Paulie is the guy who goes to McDonalds, orders a McDouble, and RAIDS the ketchup container for nearly their whole supply. Maybe gets some sugar too.

- The Asian kid is psychotic for real. His mom doesn't want him talking to Junior, or associate with him at all. That makes sense. It was great when he had the Asian kid write a letter to Dick Cheney asking for intervention in his shooting case, because Dick has experience with accidental shootings and all that. In any case, Junior can't remember the dentist escape plan when he was reminded of it by Pat B, so he's stuck.

- Feds found the Willy Overall body, as per Silvio. Tony tells him that Paulie is annoying in so many words. Duh! He's everyone's best friend and Tony lives to destroy other people's happiness. This is why Tony suspects him of being the one to relay the Ginny mole joke to Johnny Sack. Old pictures of Paulie were funny. Poor Beansie's got a colostomy bag which sucks so bad. Scene with those dumb ass chicks was awkward considering Paulie called Beansie a stand-up guy. Uh...

- Doc really offends Phil with this taking food of Phil's plate shit. And as we know, Phil never forgets...

- Junior kicking this professor's ass was a joke. The Asian guy cheering him on was sick. LOL at the lady suspecting the black orderly of being on the take from Junior. YES HE PLAYS THE RACE CARD. I would too because that shoe definitely fit, that was the only reason he was there. Had to be!

- Tony's gambling fix is a flaw here in my opinion. Borrowing 200k from Hesh, why would he have to do that? The guy is loaded and has had a months long gambling downswing without us knowing a thing about it. LOL at the broad Tony screwed saying she thought Paulie was Tony's dad at first, and asking him if Paulie was Tony's best friend.

- Asian kid encouraging Junior to go off his meds is an idiot. Running interference with the orderlies was funny though.

- This would appear to be the first time in the series Tony was to do business with any Latino people. Little strange at this stage. He's opening himself up to way too many avenues for the feds to get into his business. Tony's conversation with Beansie is interesting in that we learn Paulie is wide open to the feds tearing him apart due to his tax returns being messed up and loose lips. Of course Paulie would never rat on anyone, he's old school as it gets and he has the balls to take on any trial should such a situation occur.

- Tony finds out that Jackie Aprile is taking the fall for the Willy Overall murder. LOL Larry didn't rat him out, but covered Tony and Paulie's ass while simultaneously bailing himself out some. That's a damn good trick. Paulie's insane laugh while watching TV is amazing.

- Poor Junior pissed on himself. It's cause he didn't take his medicine. And what they let go of the black guy. That's cold blaming the black man for what can't be proven. Junior really took his medicine this time though, nobody wants to piss on themselves. That incident took away all his desire for life and fun.

- Paulie has the strangest sense of resignation at he and Tony's rental boat leaves the docks. And I am not taking his flashback to Pussy's death into consideration at all when I say this, I thought it before those scenes cut in. Is this it for him? Tony looks at this stuff that he could kill him with, then brings up the Ginny Sack joke and says it was fuckin' hilarious. Paulie's gut is in pain, not just because they're at sea but because he genuinely thinks he's going to die. Tony is really fucked up in this scene, asking Paulie if he has Tourettes or whatever, that's wrong and pretty sad. What I can't understand is, why does he want to do this to a guy he's known for so long, his dad's friend who goes WAY BACK with his family. Is it really because Paulie annoys him and he thinks Paulie's weak or because Tony loves to kill people?

- Junior getting his ass kicked by Asian guy was messed up. And yes, I totally get why he did it.

- Paulie's dream about Pussy was pretty tragic, and he knew immediately he was determined not to let getting shot on a fucking boat somewhere else be in his future. So it's time for Carmela to get an espresso machine. And that's what makes Tony happy, he and his family getting shit on the back of other people.

- WHOA SHIT DOC GETS IT RIGHT IN THE EYE AND EVERYWHERE ELSE FROM THREE HITMEN. SHOTS FIRED. AND IT'S PHIL'S GUYS.

- Creepy closing shot with Junior and the cat.

Videos:

Sopranos - Tony, Paulie and Beansie reminisce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7JQB9zVdmw#)

Sopranos-Paulie impresses Tony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDsfa7XyUY#)

Tony contemplates 'whacking' Paulie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ZyZ19XMS0#ws)

Two superlative character studies.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on January 08, 2013, 06:11:58 AM
Crazy Asian Kid went on to become Miles in Lost, who got the part because of his appearance in this episode.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 08, 2013, 09:19:16 AM
I remember the Paulie portions of that episode being a retread, or at the very least seeming trite. I haven't seen them in awhile though.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 08, 2013, 09:19:46 AM
Also, I'd definitely be interested in mafia stories.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 08, 2013, 11:14:43 AM
I remember the Paulie portions of that episode being a retread, or at the very least seeming trite. I haven't seen them in awhile though.

The only instance I can remember previous to this was the episode where Tony told an unbelievably stupid joke and all the guys laughed at it besides Feech. Paulie's laugh was especially bad. That then led to Tony getting rid of Feech. Besides that, Paulie being an annoyance through talking too much wasn't really explored on. However viewers have known for a very long time that Tony does not get any enjoyment out of people who love life, exploring that element once again may have been trite.

While the episode featured Paulie to large degree I don't believe it was about him at all, but rather the exploration of Tony's consciousness w/r/t how he views his underlings and family. I don't believe Tony is capable of spending such a period of time with anyone without beginning to hate them and maybe even wanting to hurt them. For example if Tony was to spend this amount of time around Beansie, he'd shortly begin to focus on Beansie's inability to walk and how it made him less of a man to Tony, and he'd feel that it was his obligation to put Beansie out of his misery. The more AJ's around, the more Tony detests that AJ's life isn't the way Tony wants it to be. With Carmela, the closer she gets, the more often he does things to spite her, or neglects to do things because they'll make her happy. Nobody is immune to this effect bar maybe Meadow, but he doesn't want to deal with her shit either, so she never hangs around her dad long enough for us to know.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 08, 2013, 05:21:52 PM
The episode title and Tony's reaction to "remember when" stories is dead on.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 08, 2013, 05:25:29 PM
CHASING IT


- We start at a casino with Tony winning some big money and then placing it back on the roulette table and not on red or black but 23. Where it then goes right back away. Productive!

- Vito's kid looks like a freak. A cemetery destroying freak. Good thing that little shit got stopped by the police. He hung some people's cat on their garage door that's sick. His mom Marie goes to Tony's place and asks for some money to relocate. 100 g's.

- It was hilarious seeing Tony lose more money on a Bills game. See, even when they win they don't do it right for most people. So he goes upstairs at the Bing and breaks shit.

- lol at Nancy Sinatra singing to Phil Leotardo. That was odd. He's the boss in New York again obviously. "The turd doesn't fall far from the faggot's ass" well that's a nice thing to say about a kid.

- Just a bit later Tony visits Hesh and we find out Hesh loaned him 200k. Why in the hell did he do that? The main fault in that is that the character of Hesh would never be stupid enough to expect the money back. Yet he does in the show. He also would know that doing something like that would destroy his and Tony's relationship, but you can't turn down a boss. Weird.

- The Melfi-Tony back and forth on therapy or no more therapy begins anew right now.

- Phil trying to mentor Vito's kid was awesome. He said the kid looked like a Puerto Rican whore. The kid was kinda dumb, like AJ!

- Carmela's worry over the house's final inspection cracked me up. Her dad gave her that old-timer I KNEW WHAT WAS GOOD IN MY DAY WOMAN DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT speech and hung up the phone.

- Tony giving Hesh a hard time about the money he owes was kinda nauseating. He loaned the money from Hesh, he should give it back and stop bitching. And stop going to the casino too. He won this time though, but that money went straight on a horse. Bobby being unimpressed by how much money he put on the horse was great. Tony lost the money by the way.

- AJ proposing to Blanca was a neat touch but she's been a bitch lately so...the first time I saw it I never expected this to last.

- Carmela cleared 600k on the house. Tony's degenerate gambling tip on the Jets was disgusting, especially how he sold it to Carmela. I was like, uh...and then he said a piece of my half. This whole conversation was extremely uncomfortable, and I'm not sure I like the introduction of this aspect of Tony's personality very much.

- LOL Hesh telling his girlfriend to go upstairs and lock the door when Bobby and Tony pulled up. Man Bobby and Tony ain't never gonna kill someone together. They really did want to take Hesh to the boat show! Bobby and Carlo tell Tony that he should tell Hesh to go fuck himself, but Tony doesn't think that's a great idea. LOL telling Carlo to start sucking cock because of how much more money Vito used to make than Carlo now.

- The Jets destroyed the Chargers by the way, and Tony's obviously angered beyond belief. It's no good cause he only bet 10k. Called Carmela's house money bullshit which is messed up. Now he's bringing up all kinds of shit like the birdfeeder, then grabs her jacket and stuff, before being a real dickhead and saying the house she built is going to cave in on her cousin Brian's unborn baby. Man he hasn't done anything that messed up in a long time.

- Vito's kid taking a shit in the shower and stepping in it when these kids were making fun of him, OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH, then Bobby and Tony tell the rest of the guys what happened. And say he might want to pull a Columbine (probably true). So Tony's going to help Marie to relocate because at this point he has to.

- This scene with AJ and Blanca is so fucked up, that being said I can't help but notice the major timeline gap here. Puerto Rican Day is in June. Football season is in the fall. So what the hell? AJ decks his car out in Puerto Rican Day parade stuff, then Blanca pulls up and tells him they ain't getting married. Feel pretty bad for AJ right now, the only time he ever had anything going for him he got shit on.

- Tony saying he was gonna put a whole 100k on Philly, then if he wins Marie will get that and then some was destined for failure from the start, which it did. So now what? Tony's gonna send the kid to a boot camp type place in Idaho. It's 18k to do that. In one way he's right, it won't help the kid to move to Maine. He'll still have issues. But a boot camp is just as ridiculous. Scene where Ahmed and Muhammad were on the street going to mosque and Tony drove by made Tony immediately think they were linked to terrorism. I thought that was an interesting wrinkle.

- Wow those camp guys like invade the Spatafore house in the middle of the night and basically kidnap him like some terrorists.

- Tony's apology to Carmela rings pretty hollow with me. Sometimes you say shit that you can't take back and their argument was one of those instances. Tony using gambling metaphors to describe his current life situation was awesome.

- Hesh's girlfriend dies. As such Tony goes to visit him immediately and pays him back all the money that he owes Hesh. It does't matter though. The damage to their relationship is done and I can't remember whether or not we see Hesh again.


Videos:

Tony Soprano taking his father's advice [HD 1080p] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jMZUj10EC4#ws)

Blanca Dumps A.J. - The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnuu2FddOqk#ws)

This isn't my favorite episode of the season and that's obviously linked to my dislike of Hesh. Considering this season resolves all conflicts, all issues, there was going to be an episode with him in it and I was destined not to like it. Oh well.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 08, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
I've always wondered if Tony had Hesh's girlfriend whacked as a message. As far as the spec house, Tony went about it poorly but he's right. Carmela is shallow as fuck for pretending that she had anything to do with the building of it.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 08, 2013, 06:51:50 PM
WALK LIKE A MAN


- AJ is in pretty rough shape obviously. He got screwed over. Better to have loved and lost doesn't mean shit at a time like that. I don't know exactly what he's supposed to do, nothing he does ever satisfies Tony, and his mom is trying to help him out but at a time like that it words can be unhelpful.

- Kelli's dad runs a hardware store and Paulie supplies it with power tools. Obviously Paulie and Chris are making a shitload of money off this deal.

- Tony asking what would happen if he gave the feds info regarding terrorism led to an interesting conversation. So they would put a letter in his file regarding possible future sentencing, and Tony tells them that he saw Ahmed and Muhammed a while back having turned into religious fundies. Needs to ask Chris for their names and numbers, which he duly gives them. Full names too.

- AJ hanging out with Blanca is so sad and depressing. She tells us how AJ cried in public last time he saw her, now he's doing it again at the construction site. Then these guys laugh as he walks away from them. Yikes. Carmela is extremely worried about him and at this point I would be too. So Tony has to go home. Tony tries the tactic of shitting all over Blanca in an attempt to help AJ out, but I don't know if that works very well. Tony tried telling him to go get a blowjob (obviously paid for by Tony) which cracked me up. Aw man Carmela was listening which set him off worse.

- Family BBQ at Chris and Kelli's house, something never expected in this series yet nice to see all the same. It's also noticeable how much closer Bobby is to Tony than Chris is at this point. Fucked up how Tony makes alcoholism seem so simplistic. It really isn't.

- Little Paulie boosting from the hardware store was messed up. Then the guy, Kelli's dad goes over there and pulls a gun on him and his accomplice. Little Paulie tells Al not to call Chris and supposedly that's going to be the end of this story. Right.

- AJ quitting his job after seeing a couple kissing in a restaurant and crying, only reaction for that is aw man...I don't really know what else to say. Sucks when AJ has to tell Carlo and Patsy's sons that AJ's doing very well. Clearly that ain't true.

- Chris and Paulie headed towards a blowout argument is amazing. Always is. And when Paulie tells Chris he'll pay him when Chris sucks the money out of his ass is awesome. I'm surprised that he tells Tony about this when Silvio and Bobby are there with Tony. Tony doesn't really give a shit about this stuff anymore to be honest. A few years ago he'd blow his top, but his relationship with Chris has changed for the worst.

- Meadow thinks that AJ is suicidal due to the things he's saying. Prescient. As such Tony immediately goes downstairs to spend time with his son.

- Tony goes in to Melfi's office and says that he's done with therapy. But he cannot quit therapy just yet, because of what's going on with AJ. He's bummed out that his son isn't like Patsy and Carlo's sons. Tony also says that he can handle his depression, but he doesn't believe that AJ is equipped to do that, and that's just not right or fair to Tony. And he says that his putrid genes have infected his kid's soul.

- Chris has a great AA meeting with an excellent rant on Tony I'm gonna try to find out YouTube. Absolute truth too. Tony is the type to pour you a drink with one hand and judge you for taking it with the other. When Chris brings up Adriana in a roundabout way, you just know that he wishes he would have taken the feds offer and bailed on Tony. But you cannot take that decision back and Chris should have seen this coming from far down the road.

- How awkward would it be to go to a party in AJ's current state? Poor AJ then goes to a therapist and spills the beans, but really his thoughts are more empty than anything else. It's not that he can't open up, it's that he is, and what comes out is a lack of anything. That's a scary state to be in. Now he's at the Bing, gets a lap dance and has the saddest blank expression. Carmela explodes when she finds out about AJ's party at the Bing. Tony is trying the best way he knows how but alcohol for AJ probably isn't a great idea. Also he doesn't realize that doing this is leading AJ to a mob lifestyle.

- LOL Little Paulie again boosting drills from Al's store. The fake phone call routine cracked me up. So did Chris going over to his card game and tearing his face up before throwing him out a second floor window. It's fucking amazing when Paulie wrecks Chris' lawn too. I LOVE THAT. Donuts in a Cadillac on a front lawn hahahahahahaha. Chris calls Tony to complain after their conversation, and tells him that Paulie wrecked his front lawn and terrorized his wife and daughter. Tony doesn't really say anything about that. Chris and Paulie have, well, I think this is their final confrontation with each other, and it's really civil. Chris apologizes, so does Paulie. Then Chris has a drink.

- Carmela now thinks Tony's ideas turned AJ around. Uh...I don't know about that. He still looks the same but with alcohol and shady friends added to the equation. So AJ tags along with his new friends to kidnap this welcher guy and take him to the woods. AJ stands there and watches as the guy gets his shit kicked in. But it doesn't take long for him to join in and help the guys pour sulfuric acid on the welcher's toes. OW.

- Man, Chris finally has a drink, gets blasted and completely cracked on by Paulie. Tragic. That shot of everyone laughing at him was just about the saddest shit. Even Bobby and Benny were laughing at him, but the worst was seeing Tony do it. Of course such a thing was going to send him straight back into the gutter. I take this whole scene as a mass realization for Chris that he's going to get shit on all the time no matter what he does. JT telling him to sober up and get to a meeting was exactly what he didn't want to hear, because that shit's what he blames for getting him in this mess with Tony and the guys. Nothing helps him, and the hard truth which is impossible for him to accept is that Chris has nowhere else to go. A meeting doesn't help, drinks don't help, he believes he fucked up his life permanently when Adriana got killed. Tony doesn't accept him anymore and doesn't want to, his marriage is one he didn't want, and he feels like he has nothing but his daughter to live for. So he shoots JT in the head after telling him a whole bunch of shit and being met with a reply of "you're in the MAFIA."

- Tony thinking he was gonna get hit by some guy speeding up his driveway was slightly amusing. Turns out it's AJ. He said he's wired. After what he just did, well yeah.

- That closing shot of Chris staggering up a strewn walkway into his house was chilling.

Videos:

The Sopranos - Chris & Tony talking at barbecue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9COLaIu0YU#ws)

paulie gets mad at chris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ydfTT17Ay8#)

Paulie feels bad about Christopher: The Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwSLKtY1eUQ#ws)

Chris and Paulie had a lot of great fallout arguments. But when this episode didn't end with things patched up as they always were before, you had to know Chris wasn't going to handle that very well. That something had to happen before the end of the series. And it did.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 08, 2013, 07:47:38 PM
Most random and pointless killing ever in the episode. Somehow worse than the guy getting his mail
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 08, 2013, 08:04:25 PM
Paulie robbing the old lady and killing her was probably worse. I kinda got this one. Chris told him a gang of shit he shouldn't have and the guy responded by saying YOU'RE IN THE MAFIA. That's probably not the best thing to say to a mob member who is pouring their heart out while in an inebriated state. Plus it's natural that Chris would run to JT when he's acting stupid and also natural he would commit some form of violence on him.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 08, 2013, 08:14:59 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about Paulie's escapade. That takes the cake.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: AA484 on January 08, 2013, 11:50:32 PM
Paulie tearing up Chris's lawn is a GOAT moment.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 09, 2013, 05:56:58 AM
KENNEDY AND HEIDI


- Dumping dispute! The kid not even knowing he was breathing and eating asbestos cracked me up. Phil thinks he's owed 25% of the profits on this deal due to Phil now being at Barone Sanitation. Otherwise, Tony ain't gonna have anywhere else to dump it.

- Weird for Chris being the one to drive Tony around right now. When was the last time this happened? Chris gives advice in saying Tony should pay up, and he's right.

- So here it is. With  "Comfortably Numb" playing in the background, Chris swerves into the opposite lane as he's obviously driving while impaired and fucking around with the car stereo. The car rolls about 25 times, and some broads named Kennedy and Heidi don't turn back to help them out. One thing I would say before he does this, I have turned on Tony a few episodes before this, so by no means is what happens here the catalyst for no longer cheering for him to do foul shit. I don't think Chris was going to make it after the accident anyway, but telling Tony he wouldn't pass a drug test was the last straw on top of a mound of bullshit Tony feels Chris has done to him. Really though, it's the last straw coupled with a pile of shit Tony has done to Chris which caused him to slip back into alcohol and drug abuse again. Watching this now, I don't find the actual act to be as abhorrent as what's going to happen afterward. The justification included in that.

The show has done a great job of making you choose between for or against Tony did, when the facts are Chris was going to die before the paramedics got there, Tony never could have moved him out of his seat, and Chris probably would've got in a lot of trouble for the accident and subsequently flipped on Tony. I also realize I've just done this myself. In the context of the show it is an evil action done by an evil man with slight justification for what he had done. And that's that. Considering that Chris is a really terrible person too I don't see the sense in decrying this as totally wrong, this is one bad person killing another bad one...but Tony is probably to blame for Chris being one so there you go.

- Tony's phone call to Carmela where his simple response to Chris being dead is yeah was really fucked up. We jump to the next day very fast and a whole bunch of Tony's guys are over at his place. They asked Tony how he was doing and he did not say anything about Chris at all. I don't think they were asking about his physical state. I think Paulie blames himself for this and to be honest he ain't wrong. If Chris didn't drop that line about failing a drug test who knows what would have happened.

- Cocaine in Christopher's blood, yikes. No seat belt either. And now Nucci Gualtieri died.

- Tony trying to beat around the bush and talk about the pain he's in over this is absolute shit. So he stops immediately and says to Melfi he's actually relieved. His subsequent lines portray him as the most horrendous piece of shit you could possibly imagine. WOW at him telling Melfi he murdered Pussy and well this was all a dream. 

- Cleaver cup into the woods was poor form. Carmela feeling regret after having said bad things about Adriana to him was unfortunate considering she was right of course. Man Tony's asking Carmela about a twinge of relief was cold. She answered that she was relieved but in a different way, because it wasn't Tony.

- Tony's real appointment with Melfi outlined some of the same feelings as above in the dream, saying that he isn't hurting too bad over this. The hardest thing is having to feign the hurt and grief. The obvious reason for that is because Tony is incapable of it at this point. After what happened with Pussy, Tony B...he had it then, but it just isn't there anymore. It would be there for his kids, but that's probably it. And when Tony is incapable of feeling something in a situation, everyone else feeling differently than him drags him down, like at Christopher's funeral. On second thought, he's like this at all funerals, no matter who they're for, because of this exact reason. So this is not a feeling unique to this instance. That's why he bugs out to Vegas in a bit.

- Nucci's wake being poorly attended is very sad.

- WHOA that welcher dude had his toes amputated. Naturally these days AJ finds that hilarious. Talk about buggin' out, AJ's done that for the last little while. Speaking of which, some Somalian guy accidentally wrecks into one of AJ's friends car doors, AJ's friend calls him a nigger, and they kick his ass. That's fucked up. AJ doesn't join in, seemingly realizing that shit might be wrong.

- So off to Vegas Tony goes. Gambling, drugs, and fuckin' is gonna be the cure that ails him. Surprisingly Chris' Vegas chick fucks Tony at an indeterminate time the same day Tony shows up at her place. The way he's reveled in the death of Chris is even worse than actually doing it to him in my opinion. It's extremely fucking sick to say the least. Anyway, this show followed a pattern of Tony becoming a worse person as more obstructions and influences he perceived as negative were removed from his life, and boy that's the case now and in this season big time. There aren't many ways to be a worse person than this, that's for sure. We've reached a rock bottom point.

- Now AJ is back to a massively depressed state.

- Anyone here have experience with peyote? If so what is it like to take that shit? I'm pretty sure that everyone doesn't go gambling, win a lot of money, or proclaim their happiness at killing people, so I wonder what the average experience would be like. I wouldn't do it but am interested to know. By the way it boggles my mind how many people did not realize or were unwilling to admit how bad a person Tony Soprano is until this episode took place.

- All that asbestos into the water is probably bad.

- And we finish it up with Tony's I GET IT scene. As for what he gets, it's pretty obvious to me what that's supposed to entail. He finally understands who he is, what he is, and what he does to other people. And if it ain't that then I dunno.

Videos:

Christopher Moltisanti death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU8nJE6z4DM#ws)

"little" Sopranos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcx7GAJ_5P4#)

Tony Soprano. Peyote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zFM00-rOMo#ws)

Great episode, pretty disgusting though. That being said, I guess the viewer did need it beaten over their head that Tony is a really bad person, because so many people were in denial about that at the time or refused to acknowledge it before this episode.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 09, 2013, 08:08:15 AM
THE SECOND COMING


- Funny how AJ woke Tony up to the tune of "Ridin," that's one of the last things I'd expect. Tony's apology gift for whatever he did in Vegas was quite transparent.

- This asbestos shit is pretty gross. The guys are cleaning that shit out without masks or anything, they don't have anywhere to dump it, so that's pretty bad.

- AJ's therapy sessions are depressing. Most of the things he says are true, but where it's coming from for him is not good. He says some stuff about virus on beef during dinner just a little bit later that is so unbelievably negative it actually made me laugh.

- lol Paulie with another remember when story. This one about dropping acid.

- Now we bump forward to a Tony, Bobby, Silvio sitdown with Phil regarding the asbestos. Phil is not going to concede from that 25% number in any way. Tony tries to level with Phil and Phil cracks a joke against that. Phil's lines about compromise were the BEST. "I wanted to fuck a woman, but I compromised. I jacked off in a tissue." Now Silvio and Tony are pulling jobs from Phil's guys, so the construction guy gets his ass kicked and wallet taken money out of.

- Meadow doesn't seem like the kind of person who would like Borat. Just saying. In this conversationg with AJ we find out he dropped out of college. He doesn't want to move out now because he's on medication. Those lincoln log sandwiches looked extremely gross.

- I can't believe AJ got this terrible idea. WTF a bag over his head, cinder block to drag him down and keep him in the pool. Tough scene to watch. At least he realized he didn't want to die and the rope was long enough for him to get some breath, because he was dragging back down before Tony got home. Unusually home early for that matter. Such a sad scene to watch. Catatonic AJ in a hospital wheelchair was a chilling sight.

- Of course all Tony knows how to do at this point is go back to work. Paulie's comment of "between the mercury and fish alone, it's a wonder more kids ain't jumping off bridges" was one of the stupidest things.

- Carmela was pretty callous with calling Tony's depression "his bullshit." She blames Tony just like he blames himself. LOL Tony tells her POOR YOU. And there goes the watch.

- Girl pulling her hair out in the hospital was a weird shot.

- These New York guys going up to Meadow at a restaurant and fucking around with her were idiots. I do't blame Tony for his reaction to this in any way, I'd probably do the same thing. At first Meadow didn't want to say anything, but she did, knowing full well exactly what Tony would do. This set Tony off into rabid animal mode. I liked that. LOL when Carmela found out Meadow was seeing Patrick Parisi. And Meadow has decided not to go into medical school.

- I generally detest these Melfi appointments with Elliot, but Elliot has a great line when he says that sociopaths use therapy to better their own lives and hone their craft rather than as an actual therapeutic tool. And yes, Tony does exactly that.

- In the last therapy session of this episode, Melfi seems to be checked out. Tony finally said something of understanding, of value, and she didn't really respond to it. Just listened.

- I love how Tony beats the shit out of this Coco. Pulls a gun on the crooked eye fucker too. CURB STOMP. And from here we know everything's going to get out of control.

- AJ bringing up things that happened in second grade as factors that lead to this, as well as what Livia Soprano said about life being a big nothing was so unfortunate. It just shows what kind of things contribute to somebody holding a depressed state later in life. You just can't forget those kinds of things.

- Carmine tries telling Tony to go to Phil hat in hand, but the way Phil's been lately, is that really going to work? Well, no. Phil has no interest in meeting with Tony or Little Carmine. That's pretty bad shit. Now Phil screams out the window and tells Tony to get off his stoop. Carmine doesn't understand why Phil's like this, but it's actually obvious and somewhat justifiable. The incident with Coco has no impact on this at all.

- Tony tried to take a pizza to AJ but it wasn't allowed, which is kinda dumb but whatever. He places a hand on AJ's shoulder and that's it.

Videos:

AJ's Suicide attempt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdq_EfSfhrg#)

The Sopranos season 6 episode 19 Tony beats up coco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeJdVwyTFfc#ws)

Another amazing episode, but they tend to drag the viewer down with the rest of the show on the way to the end. There are parts that are tough to watch  :-\
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on January 09, 2013, 08:39:56 AM
Too much to discuss but one brief thing to mention is that I loved Tony rescuing AJ from the pool. Seemed so genuine and heartfelt in the midst of all his negative shit. You really got the feeling that he was a father who loved his son and would die for him without even thinking about it. The way it was shot with no music and how they captured Tony running really made it powerful. The way he goes from drinking a water bottle or whatever he was doing to noticing his son is drowning and the reckless abandon in diving to the pool followed by him soothing AJ seemed so, damn, real.

Seemingly unimportant in the grand scheme of things but one of my favourite scenes in the show.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 09, 2013, 11:08:16 AM
THE BLUE COMET


- This episode starts with an immediate murder by Silvio on Burt Gervasi. I had to wiki that becuase I didn't remember him at all. GARROTE used and that sure hasn't happened at all in this show.

- Phil's plan in this war is to take Tony and the whole family out, absorb whatever's left into their family. LOL how Phil is unapproving of how they do the made guy initiation. Guy doesn't forget ANYTHING.

- AJ cozying up to a high school aged chick is a little bit weird, that's probably an understatement.

- lol Tony asking if the Arab guys were in Jordan getting their balls zapped. He wanted to know what was going on with them and Agent Harris wouldn't tell him. But Harris felt kinda guilty about that, so he tells him that Phil is coming for him. Which made Tony completely lose his appetite, a rare sight.

- Tony now realizes he has to hit Phil first. Phil on the other hand targets Bobby, Tony, and Silvio. Phil's guys have a hard time believing Bobby's #3, but hey they're right for that. It was a mistake on Tony's part to call the guys from Italy to do the hit on Phil. At that point, what sense does it do to disguise that you and your guys are responsible? It also delays taking action.

- AJ coming straight home to watch depressing television like Frontline was sad in that even after getting out of the hospital, nothing on that front changed.

- lol at Elliot outing Tony as Melfi's patient at this dinner.

- Paulie and Bobby nearly getting into it cracked me up. Paulie just wanted to make sure that Bobby and Silvio knew there was going to be a ton of guys to go through even after Phil. The junkie Italian kid set up the meeting, Paulie passes it on to Patsy, and that's how it's gonna work.

- Was hilarious when Tony ripped the page out of Melfi's magazine so that he'd have the recipe for some steak marinade. I am surprised that he places importance in Melfi's job, but he might just be blowing smoke up her ass. In any case, this is a scene where Melfi realizes that Tony is beyond help, and based on the things he's said in this series, yes, absolutely. LOL that Melfi knew about Tony stealing the page from her magazine. Tony thinking that she wanted out of therapy with him had something to do with the magazine was amusing. So was his placing the page back in the magazine after leaving. And with that, Tony and Melfi are done.

- The Italian guys are at Phil's, and ready to do the deed. Problem with this is that they go right on to shoot the wrong guy. A Ukrainian and his daughter who were at Phil's place. Gee that's smart. Then they leave, the Italian guys are confused, and the junkie doesn't really care that much. He calls Patsy and tells him it's done, but they seem to not be questioning the speaking in Ukrainian angle as much as they should be.

- Over at Vesuvio, Tony saying he quit therapy was a great example of how he always flips around bad things that happen to him when retelling them so that they suit his agenda. Was funny when Tony went over to say hello to Eric Mangini.

- Paulie has the word that Phil is gone. If he only knew...well now he does when Murmur shows he and Silvio a newspaper photograph. The murder was not done on Phil Leotardo.

- The last thing Tony says to Janice about Bobby is dead cold. He's mad cause Bobby feels somewhat sorry for Junior. Right after, Tony finds out the Italians fucked their job up. Phil went to ground so they never had a chance to get him.

- Bobby left his phone in the car when Silvio was trying to reach him as he walked into the train shop. Man...and there Bobby goes. Two guys walk in, the last words Bobby says are that his son doesn't care about these train sets, and about 15-20 shots later he's dead.

- Silvio and Patsy are packing up at the Bing, but they were nowhere near fast enough. Guys start shooting, Silvio gets it in the back, shoulder, Patsy runs like the fuckin' wind and luckily gets away. It was somewhat amusing how the girls had their tits hanging out when they went outside to see what happened. Silvio is in a coma and apparently is not destined for a recovery of consciousness. Too bad.

- Now Tony's speeding home as fast as he can, and everyone there has to get the fuck out. ASAP. Tony and Carmela have to split up. AJ is hanging out with this girl in his room, but his depression is totally irrelevant at this stage and he needs to go too. AJ is not ready to cope with the idea his dad might get clipped. Fucked up how Tony drags his ass out of bed and ruins all his shit, on some level, I can't help but think AJ should have done what he was told.

- What Janice is going to do after all this is quite the sad thought. She has a daughter, two of Bobby's kids she's responsible for, and no income stream whatsoever. Is her life going to be like it was in Seattle at the beginning of Season 3?

- Flashback to "you probably don't hear it when it happens" line with Bobby isn't too fun to watch.

Video:

Bobby And Sil Get Shot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8nN-ox4ekc#)

For some reason there's not much video of this episode. In any case, it's hard to sum all this up. Bobby's one of the only guys involved in this thing who wasn't shown on screen doing all that much bad shit, so his death hits harder than the rest. I also feel bad for his kids, cause you know, nobody deserves to be subjugated to a life of Janice Soprano as their sole parenting influence.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 10, 2013, 12:28:48 PM
MADE IN AMERICA


- Last time I'm gonna see the intro for a long time...

- That first shot of Paulie with Tony going to meet Agent Harris was fuckin' weird. Can't believe Paulie wouldn't lose his shit over that. Tony tells Harris about the Arab guys having a bank account at some certain place. LOL Tony asking Harris about Phil's location was a trip. He expected to get it which cracked me up.

- Now Tony's going to see his family down the Shore. All those houses may be gone now which is a sad thought. Carmela is having a hard time away from home, and who wouldn't? Especially considering the current climate.

- The feds are videotaping Bobby's funeral. Considering that, Tony is not remotely concerned about getting hit there, and can finally mix in with everyone. Paulie sitting at the young kid's table was funny stuff, unzipped his pants lol. Whoa at AJ saying these people were fucked up. He's got the most negative attitude of any person, worse than Tony's even.

- The squeeze on Tony is on cause the collection envelopes are....very, very light. In reality how long could something like that continue? It's unsustainable.

- Tony snuck over to see Janice, who was feeling it pretty bad. Bobby Junior wants to go live with his aunt, Janice isn't going to let his sister leave though. And as for her daughter, fat fuckin' chance she's going anywhere.

- lol Agent Harris telling Tony where Phil is. I'm pretty sure that gets you locked up in the pen for quite a long time. Anyhow, Warden and Benny are on the case.

- Hilarious how AJ had his car parked over fallen leaves. He doesn't realize it until his car is fully on fire. AW CHRIST I PARKED IN LEAVES. Of course the car blows up. So does Tony at AJ. LOL at AJ saying we have to break our dependence on foreign oil.

- Somebody's phone is bugged. Tony makes a call and asks for a neutral location where everybody's safety can be guaranteed. And as we see now, it's crooked eyes from New York and his crew along with Little Carmine. Tony has a good hash it out session with these guys and say that it's gone way too far. Tony's price is a location on Phil, which crooked eyes can't do, but he says Tony can have at him. And Janice has to get paid. Which they all agree to. Are any of these people trustworthy? I don't think so.

- Tony gets to move back in with his family, back to Satriales the mob guys go. Paulie's hate of cats was awesome. SNAKES WITH FUR. 

- Damn gas at 2.49 per gallon. Those were the days.

- This is our first look at Junior in the state facility, he now cannot remember who Janice is. It's actually past the point of non-remembrance to being unable to acknoweldge things that are said to him. She tells Junior that Bobby is dead, and it doesn't register. So Pat B (the guy with the farm) goes to Tony and says that Janice was haggling Junior for his money. WTF.

- AJ actually feels a lot better since the car was blown up. That's weird.

- Paulie just went looking for Carlo at the Bing and couldn't find him. They had a meeting, but Carlo didn't show and won't answer his phones. That's obviously concerning. Paulie thinks Butch took him out, but Tony thinks that Carlo flipped. Well his kid got picked up for selling ecstasy so that's quite likely. Shortly after that bit, we find out Hunter (Meadow's friend) is in med school. You can see the disappointment on Carmela's face that Meadow has not undertaken the same route.

- The meeting with Patsy, his wife, Carmela, Patrick, Tony & Carmela was a little awkward for the viewer, but Meadow and Patrick are headed for marriage. Surprisingly Tony seems super excited.

- The cat seems to like that picture of Chris a lot, lol. Paulie with this cat is too much, wanting to scare it away and stuff like that. Now Paulie is pegged by Tony to captain the old Ralph and Vito crew. He's not too excited about it though and has to think it over. Hard to believe that Paulie is basically last guy standing.

- LOL Little Paulie going around with a police badge while sporting a neck brace and asking everyone if they've seen Phil.

- Awesome how Tony spotted AJ out for a run and pulled up alongside him doing the Rocky music. Apparently AJ is doing all this running so he can join the Army. And become a helicopter pilot, eventually moving on to running a private helicopter business. Ha! Tony tells Carmela and immediately after, we cut to Tony meeting with AJ's new therapist. Carmela comes in after a bathroom break and both of them would have been favor in this if not for the wars going on. Tony treating AJ's therapist like HIS new therapist was great, he didn't realize it until Carmela gave him the look.

- Meadow saying the government's treatment of Italians is what caused her not to go to med school seemed to make Tony a little happy, yet resigned to the fact that was possible all along.

- The Phil hit is definitely my favorite in the series. His wife didn't realize it until well after he hit the ground. Walden shoots him once in the head and once in the chest, then Phil's wife runs out of his car and LOL THE REAR RIGHT TIRE RUNS PHIL'S HEAD OVER CAUSE SHE LEFT THE CAR IN DRIVE. LOL at the kid spewing vomit all over the place.

- Agent Harris had the strangest reaction to being told about Phil getting clipped, especially considering that he said so with another Fed in his office. DAMN, WE'RE GONNA WIN THIS THING!

- It's weird how quickly AJ turned from extremely depressed to big dreaming once again. Tony and Carmela bring up the club option again, but quickly shift to talking about some movie script. Tony's idea is to get AJ on the production team. AJ pointed out that Carmine does porn, trying to be negative about the idea, but then they told him what the job was and that it would help him get experience.

- Somebody's giving grand jury testimony and Tony's lawyer is expecting Tony to be indicted. Tony knows he probably wouldn't make bail either, so it's just about the end for him. Of course, it's Carlo ratting him out.

- Silvio in a coma is a strange, sad sight.

- Paulie does not want any part of the Cifaretto crew. Of course, that upsets Tony, but Paulie sees that everyone who bossed that crew wound up dead/MIA (but really dead) and considering how he thinks about supernatural stuff, he ain't gonna do it. Instead Tony tabs Patsy for the job.

- AJ has a BMW now. Ain't that a bitch. Picks his girl up from high school (that's still very weird to me), brings her home and is now extremely happy. WEIRD.

- Tony knows his time free is nearly over, that's why he's been making these rounds. Staring at the sun longingly, etc. Now he goes to see Junior. Junior hardly seems to remember anything, but his attitude to Tony saying Junior shot him is met with a strange look. He doesn't know who Tony is. Doesn't remember Johnny Soprano, doesn't remember being in the Mafia. If that's how life ends, how could anyone deal with that?

- I'm not gonna overanalyze the last scene, that's kinda overdone and I think to some degree everyone having their own strongly held opinion about the scene has hurt it, and thusly conversation about the show in general so that this ALWAYS comes up related to the show. Can't have a conversation about The Sopranos without talking about this and I don't like that. Meadow's attempt at a parallel park was funny though. I'll boil this down to guy goes into the bathroom, comes out, and we cut to black. And yes I think the guy clipped Tony. Because after all this shit how can it end any other way? MADE IN AMERICA


- Last time I'm gonna see the intro for a long time...

- That first shot of Paulie with Tony going to meet Agent Harris was fuckin' weird. Can't believe Paulie wouldn't lose his shit over that. Tony tells Harris about the Arab guys having a bank account at some certain place. LOL Tony asking Harris about Phil's location was a trip. He expected to get it which cracked me up.

- Now Tony's going to see his family down the Shore. All those houses may be gone now which is a sad thought. Carmela is having a hard time away from home, and who wouldn't? Especially considering the current climate.

- The feds are videotaping Bobby's funeral. Considering that, Tony is not remotely concerned about getting hit there, and can finally mix in with everyone. Paulie sitting at the young kid's table was funny stuff, unzipped his pants lol. Whoa at AJ saying these people were fucked up. He's got the most negative attitude of any person, worse than Tony's even.

- The squeeze on Tony is on cause the collection envelopes are....very, very light. In reality how long could something like that continue? It's unsustainable.

- Tony snuck over to see Janice, who was feeling it pretty bad. Bobby Junior wants to go live with his aunt, Janice isn't going to let his sister leave though. And as for her daughter, fat fuckin' chance she's going anywhere.

- lol Agent Harris telling Tony where Phil is. I'm pretty sure that gets you locked up in the pen for quite a long time. Anyhow, Warden and Benny are on the case.

- Hilarious how AJ had his car parked over fallen leaves. He doesn't realize it until his car is fully on fire. AW CHRIST I PARKED IN LEAVES. Of course the car blows up. So does Tony at AJ. LOL at AJ saying we have to break our dependence on foreign oil.

- Somebody's phone is bugged. Tony makes a call and asks for a neutral location where everybody's safety can be guaranteed. And as we see now, it's crooked eyes from New York and his crew along with Little Carmine. Tony has a good hash it out session with these guys and say that it's gone way too far. Tony's price is a location on Phil, which crooked eyes can't do, but he says Tony can have at him. And Janice has to get paid. Which they all agree to. Are any of these people trustworthy? I don't think so.

- Tony gets to move back in with his family, back to Satriales the mob guys go. Paulie's hate of cats was awesome. SNAKES WITH FUR. 

- Damn gas at 2.49 per gallon. Those were the days.

- This is our first look at Junior in the state facility, he now cannot remember who Janice is. It's actually past the point of non-remembrance to being unable to acknoweldge things that are said to him. She tells Junior that Bobby is dead, and it doesn't register. So Pat B (the guy with the farm) goes to Tony and says that Janice was haggling Junior for his money. WTF.

- AJ actually feels a lot better since the car was blown up. That's weird.

- Paulie just went looking for Carlo at the Bing and couldn't find him. They had a meeting, but Carlo didn't show and won't answer his phones. That's obviously concerning. Paulie thinks Butch took him out, but Tony thinks that Carlo flipped. Well his kid got picked up for selling ecstasy so that's quite likely. Shortly after that bit, we find out Hunter (Meadow's friend) is in med school. You can see the disappointment on Carmela's face that Meadow has not undertaken the same route.

- The meeting with Patsy, his wife, Carmela, Patrick, Tony & Carmela was a little awkward for the viewer, but Meadow and Patrick are headed for marriage. Surprisingly Tony seems super excited.

- The cat seems to like that picture of Chris a lot, lol. Paulie with this cat is too much, wanting to scare it away and stuff like that. Now Paulie is pegged by Tony to captain the old Ralph and Vito crew. He's not too excited about it though and has to think it over. Hard to believe that Paulie is basically last guy standing.

- LOL Little Paulie going around with a police badge while sporting a neck brace and asking everyone if they've seen Phil.

- Awesome how Tony spotted AJ out for a run and pulled up alongside him doing the Rocky music. Apparently AJ is doing all this running so he can join the Army. And become a helicopter pilot, eventually moving on to running a private helicopter business. Ha! Tony tells Carmela and immediately after, we cut to Tony meeting with AJ's new therapist. Carmela comes in after a bathroom break and both of them would have been favor in this if not for the wars going on. Tony treating AJ's therapist like HIS new therapist was great, he didn't realize it until Carmela gave him the look.

- Meadow saying the government's treatment of Italians is what caused her not to go to med school seemed to make Tony a little happy, yet resigned to the fact that was possible all along.

- The Phil hit is definitely my favorite in the series. His wife didn't realize it until well after he hit the ground. Walden shoots him once in the head and once in the chest, then Phil's wife runs out of his car and LOL THE REAR RIGHT TIRE RUNS PHIL'S HEAD OVER CAUSE SHE LEFT THE CAR IN DRIVE. LOL at the kid spewing vomit all over the place.

- Agent Harris had the strangest reaction to being told about Phil getting clipped, especially considering that he said so with another Fed in his office. DAMN, WE'RE GONNA WIN THIS THING!

- It's weird how quickly AJ turned from extremely depressed to big dreaming once again. Tony and Carmela bring up the club option again, but quickly shift to talking about some movie script. Tony's idea is to get AJ on the production team. AJ pointed out that Carmine does porn, trying to be negative about the idea, but then they told him what the job was and that it would help him get experience.

- Somebody's giving grand jury testimony and Tony's lawyer is expecting Tony to be indicted. Tony knows he probably wouldn't make bail either, so it's just about the end for him. Of course, it's Carlo ratting him out.

- Silvio in a coma is a strange, sad sight.

- Paulie does not want any part of the Cifaretto crew. Of course, that upsets Tony, but Paulie sees that everyone who bossed that crew wound up dead/MIA (but really dead) and considering how he thinks about supernatural stuff, he ain't gonna do it. Instead Tony tabs Patsy for the job.

- AJ has a BMW now. Ain't that a bitch. Picks his girl up from high school (that's still very weird to me), brings her home and is now extremely happy. WEIRD.

- Tony knows his time free is nearly over, that's why he's been making these rounds. Staring at the sun longingly, etc. Now he goes to see Junior. Junior hardly seems to remember anything, but his attitude to Tony saying Junior shot him is met with a strange look. He doesn't know who Tony is. Doesn't remember Johnny Soprano, doesn't remember being in the Mafia. If that's how life ends, how could anyone deal with that?

- I'm not gonna overanalyze the last scene, that's kinda overdone and I think to some degree everyone having their own strongly held opinion about the scene has hurt it, and thusly conversation about the show in general so that this ALWAYS comes up related to the show. Can't have a conversation about The Sopranos without talking about this and I don't like that. Meadow's attempt at a parallel park was funny though. I'll boil this down to guy goes into the bathroom, comes out, and we cut to black. And yes I think the guy clipped Tony. Because after all this shit how can it end any other way?

Videos:

Butch gives Tony the OK on Phil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR70S4Eo8AU#ws)

The Sopranos AJ's Car Explodes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP-dwmH5Qjc#)

Phil Leotardo Whacking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i-dB_6Dvcw#ws)

The Sopranos-final scene between tony and junior (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o34mnI2Az4#)

The Sopranos Finale: Final Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpDxCo2vic#ws)


That's the best finale of any show I've watched by a long way. Now gonna do this thing for The Wire.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 10, 2013, 12:44:47 PM
Favorite Episodes: Sopranos Home Movies and Pine Barrens

Least Favorites: Guy Walks into a Psychiatrist's Office... and Christopher

Best Gag: Paulie's weight joke about Bobby and Vito

Favorite Mob Character: Paulie

Least Favorite: Ralph Cifaretto

Favorite Character Not in Mob: Artie

Least Favorite: AJ

Best Murder: Ralph getting beaten to death, this is tops cause Joey Pants hairpiece gets ripped off during the cleanup.

Worst Murder: Paulie on the old lady

Best Scene: Everything in the Pine Barrens.

Worst Scene: Columbus Day bullshit

Season Ranking

1.  4
2. 3
3. 6B
4. 5
5. 2
6. 1
7. 6A

Kinda fucked up that Season 1, which is one of the best seasons of TV ever gets 6th place. Maybe my rankings are fucked up. But the show is that great.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Byron The Bulp on January 10, 2013, 01:24:11 PM
Quote
- Agent Harris had the strangest reaction to being told about Phil getting clipped, especially considering that he said so with another Fed in his office. DAMN, WE'RE GONNA WIN THIS THING!

That was based on a real thing.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 10, 2013, 05:10:49 PM
I know, but was the guy dumb enough to say that in front of one of his co-workers? I doubt it
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: JAxlMorrison on January 12, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
due to this thread, I have watched several eps on HBO GO, including Soprano Home Movies, The Ride, Kennedy and Heidi, Chasing It, and Fleshy Part Of The thigh. To me, it has maybe th highest research factor of any show ever. There's always something new to see, a new angle to watch from, great dialogue you've forgotten. I still have a few of the recaps to go but I just wanted to say thanks for thread. Great stuff.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Fan of Sports with Integrity on December 08, 2017, 01:11:46 AM
https://nypost.com/2017/12/07/last-call-at-the-real-life-strip-club-from-the-sopranos/

:(
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Next Big Comedy Star on January 12, 2019, 09:18:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSUFaSVPCRQ

Paulie Walnuts doesn't sound all there and rambles a lot.  :-\ :'(

At least Uncle Junior is still really funny and quick witted. AJ still looks 15 lol. Edie Falco not remembering the Whitecaps break down scene when everyone was mentioning how great is is, was kind of odd. As was no Bobby, Janice, Johnny Sack, or Adriana. A very interesting fun and interview though.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on January 14, 2019, 01:47:48 AM
Just watched this actually. I know Tony Sirico is 77 or so now but man did he age a lot, especially in contrast to Robert Iler and Dominic Chianese.

Someone in YouTube comments was saying Drea de Matteo was critical of the show (never really heard this) after she was killed off so probably why she wasn't there. Not sure why those other three weren't though.

Agreed on Edie Falco not really remembering Whitecaps as it is probably one of the greatest pieces of acting in television history. Still very cool to see them reunite, and the Wild Turkey story was hilarious.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Next Big Comedy Star on January 14, 2019, 01:52:52 AM
Just watched this actually. I know Tony Sirico is 77 or so now but man did he age a lot, especially in contrast to Robert Iler and Dominic Chianese.

Someone in YouTube comments was saying Drea de Matteo was critical of the show (never really heard this) after she was killed off so probably why she wasn't there. Not sure why those other three weren't though.

Agreed on Edie Falco not really remembering Whitecaps as it is probably one of the greatest pieces of acting in television history. Still very cool to see them reunite, and the Wild Turkey story was hilarious.

I read that Edie actually has never watched the show, so now that makes sense.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 22, 2019, 08:17:45 AM
I tried to watch that just now and had to stop when it was clear Tony Sirico lost his mental faculties. Just can't watch that.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Next Big Comedy Star on January 22, 2019, 08:22:23 AM
I tried to watch that just now and had to stop when it was clear Tony Sirico lost his mental faculties. Just can't watch that.

Yeah it's really hard to watch. He didn't know the name of the Uncle Junior character, or the name of Lilyhammer which he was directed by Steve Van Zandt on. Then he kept rambling about killing the cat. It was very sad. At least Dominic Chianese is still really quick witted and his stories were very interesting.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Next Big Comedy Star on January 24, 2019, 05:18:40 PM
Favorite Episodes: Sopranos Home Movies and Pine Barrens

Least Favorites: Guy Walks into a Psychiatrist's Office... and Christopher

Best Gag: Paulie's weight joke about Bobby and Vito

Favorite Mob Character: Paulie

Least Favorite: Ralph Cifaretto

Favorite Character Not in Mob: Artie

Least Favorite: AJ

Best Murder: Ralph getting beaten to death, this is tops cause Joey Pants hairpiece gets ripped off during the cleanup.

Worst Murder: Paulie on the old lady

Best Scene: Everything in the Pine Barrens.

Worst Scene: Columbus Day bullshit

Season Ranking

1.  4
2. 3
3. 6B
4. 5
5. 2
6. 1
7. 6A

Kinda fucked up that Season 1, which is one of the best seasons of TV ever gets 6th place. Maybe my rankings are fucked up. But the show is that great.

I realize this post is 6 years old, but I just finished my own rewatch and I want to do my own take:

Favorite Episodes:

1. Pine Barrens
2. Long Term Parking
3. The Blue Comet
4. Funhouse
5. Knight In White Satin Armor
6. Whitecaps
7. Sopranos Home Movies
8. I Dream Of Jeanne Cusamano
9. Kennedy And Heidi
10. Made In America

Honorable Mentions - College, D-Girl, Big Girls Don't Cry, Isabella, Whoever Did This, Amour Fou, The Strong Silent Type, Irregular Around The Margins, Cold Cuts, All Due Respect, Members Only, Join The Club, The Test Dream

Least Favorites:

1. Christopher
2. A Hit Is A Hit
3. In Camelot
4. Luxury Lounge
5. Kaisha
6. Chasing It
7. Sentimental Education (The Carmela/Wegler stuff just doesn't do it for me)
8. Mr. Ruggerio's Neighborhood (I get the love for this one, but I can't find myself caring about the FBI characters. This feels like a filler that was made because of Nancy Marchand's death. I did like Patsy's storyline, but I find the episode kind of boring)
9. Live Free Or Die (I'd have the Johnny Cakes episode here, but AJ trying to kill Uncle Junior was a great story line and his scene with Tony was incredibly. This episode has a few laughs, but the Vito derails everything.)
10. Commendatori (Feels like a missed opportunity. The guys in Italy should've been more interesting than it was. At least it introduced Furio.


Best Gag: The Interior Decorator mixup from Pine Barrens or Paulie repeating jokes to Tony

Favorite Mob Character: Tony's the best Mob character hands down with Chris right behind him, but Paulie, Junior, Silvio, and Bobby are all entertaining and hilarious. I also love Johnny Sack more with every viewing as he's just so damn cool. I guess if push comes to shove, I'll go with Paulie.

Least Favorite: No other choice but Vito. The actor is terrible and his New Hampshire storyline could've been great with someone that wasn't so wooden. He had zero screen presence or charisma or charm or likability.

Favorite Character Not in Mob: Carmela. Edie Falco is so amazing, she has to get the top spot. Janice is a really frustrating character, but Aida Turturro totally nailed that character and deserves a mention. I imagine most everyone has someone similar to Janice in their family. Her character was ultra realistic.

Least Favorite: Melfi after Employee of The Month from season 3. The therapy stuff had some great Tony moments, but around the middle of season 3 and after felt a bit like padding. It's usually pretty obvious from Gandolfini's facial expressions what Tony is thinking and a lot of the scenes felt like useless exposition. Elliott is also pretty bad, but not in enough scenes.

Best Murder: Phil's death is spectacular. Just everything about it is amazing.

Worst Murder: I don't really know. I guess for being icky, Adriana's, Bobby's, and Tracee's make me uncomfortable.

Best Scene: Carmela and Tony's two arguments in Whitecaps, Phil's Murder, Janice killing Richie, Tony and Ralph's fight, Christopher freaking out after Adriana told him she's been talking to the feds, Paulie at the psychic, Paulie and Christopher during Pine Barrens, Bobby and Tony's fight, the ending with Evidently Chickentown playing when Tony and Chris give that hug with both guys looking expression less, Tony yelling at AJ after he pathetically tries to go after Junior, Tony's final scene with Junior, and so many more

Worst Scene: The goomar of Tony's dad singing Happy Birthday, Vito's Johnny cakes line, or Carmela's weird freeze frame after telling Wegler she's going back to Tony

Season Ranking

1. 6B
2. 2
3. 5
4. 1
5. 3
6. 4
7. 6A

It's really hard to rank. 6A is clearly the bottom, but I do love most of 3, and 4. I just think 1 and 5 felt more cohesive I guess. You can have 1-6 in any order and it would feel right to me.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Gert on February 02, 2019, 04:39:58 PM
Just watched S1 & 2 in the last two weeks. Forgot how good season 2 was. I think it would be really interesting to see how things would have been different had Nancy Marchand not died. I still think it probably played out better without the storyline of her testifying against Tony.

My friend is plowing through Game of Thrones and one of the parallels I saw on each show was it was amazing how they could have multiple unlikable characters (Richie Aprile, Ralph Ciafretto, Phil Leotardo).
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Next Big Comedy Star on February 02, 2019, 04:58:09 PM
One thing I noticed on my rewatch was that aside from Bobby, Rosalie Aprille, Meadow, Melfi, Ginny Sack, and maybe Adriana almost every character has at least one moment that makes them absolutely despicable and morally repugnant.
Title: Re: The Sopranos: Rewatch
Post by: Gert on February 18, 2019, 01:44:34 PM
Just watched this actually. I know Tony Sirico is 77 or so now but man did he age a lot, especially in contrast to Robert Iler and Dominic Chianese.

Someone in YouTube comments was saying Drea de Matteo was critical of the show (never really heard this) after she was killed off so probably why she wasn't there. Not sure why those other three weren't though.

Agreed on Edie Falco not really remembering Whitecaps as it is probably one of the greatest pieces of acting in television history. Still very cool to see them reunite, and the Wild Turkey story was hilarious.

Do we know why Drea de Matteo was critical of the show? Even though she was killed off she still was probably the 2nd or 3rd most important character is S4 & S5.