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Title: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 07, 2012, 05:38:11 AM
Yes, the Draft is 6 months away.  The college football season is winding down, however, and NFL teams are starting to jockey for draft positions as the season also draws near to its end.

So let's talking about Juniors and Seniors who can make an impact in the Draft.  If you watch Player X, feel free to comment about their prospects, strengths/weaknesses, or scheme fit.

I'll probably work my way position by position.  Names generally sorted by "rank" from NFL Draft Scout.  Some of these guys may be late rounders/UDFAs who can make a roster with the right team/right scheme fit.

QB Rankings - 4/7
01: E.J. Manuel [Florida State] ** Love his poise. Good pocket presence. Smart ability to check down. **
02: Ryan Nassib [Syracuse] ** Streaky. Not much help from receivers. Jay Cutler type good throws then a questionable throw or two. **
03: Tyler Wilson [Arkansas] ** Sound QB. Checks down. Pocket presence and poise to extend plays. **
04: Matt Barkley [USC] ** Smart, heady player. Lacks arm strength. Chad Pennington comp is apt. **
05: Geno Smith [West Virginia] ** Strong arm. Inconsistent accuracy. Pocket presence is a concern. **
06: Mike Glennon [NC State] ** Tall body. Solid arm. Reminds of Nick Foles in last year's class. Grown on me. **
07: Landry Jones [Oklahoma] ** Stronger armed Matt Barkley. Better NFL Pro than College. Climbs pocket but makes slow decisions. **
08: Sean Renfree [Duke] ** Solid in all facets, not great anywhere. Plays within himself and system. **
09: Brad Sorensen [Southern Utah] ** Good arm and touch. Small school level. Can he adjust to NFL speed? **
10: Jordan Rodgers [Vanderbilt] ** Shows flashes of ability. Better version of Matt Scott. **
11: Tyler Bray [Tennessee] ** Strong arm. WRs made him look great. Question his mental abilities/field IQ. **
12: Matt Scott [Arizona] ** Gritty and tough. Not as athletic as thought. Backup down the line, maybe. **
13: Zac Dysert [Northern Illinois] *Gunslinger mentality. Inconsistent in decision making. I liked Chandler Harnish much more.**

RB Rankings - 4/7
- Marcus Lattimore [South Carolina] - Total Package.  Injuries will make him slide on Draft Day.
- Stepfan Taylor [Stanford] - Package to be a 3 Down RB.  Reminds me a ton of how Arian Foster looked at Tennessee.
- Andre Ellington [Clemson] - Package to be a 3 Down RB.  Needs to learn to run inside the tackles.
- Mike Gillislee [Florida] - Potential to be a 3 Down RB.  Needs to finish his runs and run tougher overall.
- Giovani Bernard [North Carolina] - Potential to be a 4 Down RB.  Needs more consistency in running tough downhill.
- Christine Michael [Texas A&M] - Potential to be a 3 Down RB.  Needs to show ability as a receiver and stay out of trouble.
- Eddie Lacy [Alabama] - 2 Down Power Back in RBBC.
- Montee Ball [Wisconsin] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Kenjon Barner [Oregon] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Johnathan Franklin [UCLA] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Jawan Jamison [Rutgers] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Joseph Randle [Oklahoma State] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Mike James [Miami] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Rex Burkhead [Nebraska] - 2 Down Power Back in RBBC.
- Le'Veon Bell [Michigan State] - Change of Pace in RBBC.

WRs - Ranking 4/7
01: Tavon Austin [West Virginia]
02: Cordarrelle Patterson [Tennessee]
03: Robert Woods [USC]
04: DeAndre Hopkins [Clemson]
05: Quinton Patton [Louisiana Tech]
06: Tavarres King [Georgia]
07: Stedman Bailey [West Virginia]
08: Justin Hunter [Tennessee]
09: Marquise Goodwin [Texas]
10: Aaron Dobson [Marshall]
11: Keenan Allen [California]
12: Markus Wheaton [Oregon State]
13: Kenny Stills [Oklahoma]
14: Da'Rick Rogers [Tennessee Tech]
15: Ryan Swope [Texas A&M]
16: Terrance Williams [Baylor]
17: Conner Vernon [Duke]
18: Aaron Mellette [Elon]
19: Josh Boyce [TCU]
20: Cobi Hamilton [Arkansas]

2013 Pro Day Stock Gone Up - 40, Vertical, Broad, Bench, 3 Cone
QB Jeff Tuel (Washington State 6'3 218): 4.60 - 32" - 9'3 - XX - 6.90 [Signed with Buffalo Bills as UDFA]
RB Ray Holley (Louisiana Tech 5'8 194): 4.56 - 37.5" - 9'11 - 27 - 6.85 [Signed with Baltimore Ravens as UDFA]
RB Onterio McCalebb (Auburn 5'10 196): 4.33 - 37" - 10'10 - 10 - 7.01 [Signed with Cincinnati Bengals as UDFA]
RB Mike Cox (UMass 6'0 220): 4.58 - 38" - 10'7 - 24 - 6.87 [[[DRAFTED - 7x47 by New York Giants]]]
RB/WR Omarius Hines (Florida 6'0 215): 4.50 - 34.5" - 10'2 - 18 - 6.45 [Signed with Baltimore Ravens as UDFA]
RB Kendial Lawrence (Missouri 5'8 194): 4.33 - 37" - 10'5 - 19 - 6.95 [Signed with Dallas Cowboys as UDFA]
RB Latavius Murray (UCF 6'2 223): 4.38 - 36" - 10'4 - 22 - 6.81 [[[DRAFTED - 6x13 by Oakland Raiders]]]
RB Jerry Williams (Furman 5'10 203): 4.51 - 39.5" - 10'1 - XX - 6.90 [Signed with Minnesota Vikings as UDFA]
RB/FB Zach Line (SMU 6'1 230): 4.62 - 33" - 9'9 - XX - 7.12 [Signed with Minnesota Vikings as UDFA]
RB/FB Ronnie Wingo (Oklahoma 6'1 231): 4.46 - 33" - 9'9 - 18 - 7.47 [Signed with Atlanta Falcons as UDFA]
RB/CB Akeem Shavers (Purdue 5'10 198): 4.35 - 39.5" - 10'10 - 19 - XX [Signed with Tampa Bay Buccaneers as UDFA]
FB Kyle Juszczyk (Harvard 6'1 248): 4.71 - 37" - 10'1 - 24 - 6.93 [[[DRAFTED - 4x33 by Baltimore Ravens]]]
FB/LB Alex Debniak (Stanford 6'2 236): 4.62 - 33.5" - 10'3 - XX - 6.94 [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
FB/LB Toben Opurum (Kansas 6'1 249): 4.61 - 34.5" - 10'4 - 24 - 7.28
WR Jheranie Boyd (North Carolina 6'1 187): 4.43 - 42" - 11'0 - 14 - 7.03
WR Jaron Brown (Clemson 6'2 204): 4.40 - 35.5" - 10'4 - 17 - 6.82
WR Brice Butler (San Diego State 6'3 214): 4.37 - 39" - 10'9 - XX - 6.70 [[[DRAFTED - 7x03 by Oakland Raiders]]]
WR Dominique Croom (Central Arkansas 6'2 189): 4.52 - 38.5" - 10'3 - XX - 6.87 [Signed with Cleveland Browns as UDFA]
WR Trey Diller (Sam Houston State 6'1 197): 4.47 - 37.5" - 10'9 - 11 - 7.31 [Signed with Carolina Panthers as UDFA]
WR Reginald Dunn (Utah 5'9 178): 4.25 - 36" - 10'1 - 17 - 6.85
WR Charles Johnson (Grand Valley State 6'2 215): 4.38 - 39.5" - 11'1 - 14 - 6.96 [[[DRAFTED - 7x10 by Green Bay Packers]]]
WR Jerry Johnson (UCLA 6'2 207): 4.50 - 36" - 10'0 - 10 - 7.26
WR Josh Lenz (Iowa State 5'11 201): 4.36 - 38.5" - 10'1 - 20 - 6.59 [Signed with Chicago Bears as UDFA]
WR Uzoma Nwachukwu (Texas A&M): 4.45 - 39.5" - 10'10 - XX - 6.78 [Signed with Houston Texans as UDFA]
WR Rico Richardson (Jackson State 6'0 167): 4.38 - 35.5" - 10'1 - 12 - 6.77 [Signed with Kansas City Chiefs as UDFA]
WR Terrell Sinkfield (Northern Iowa 6'0 199): 4.33 - 40.5" - 11'5 - 12 - 6.94 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
WR Luke Swift (Miami Ohio 6'1 184): 4.53 - 37" - 10'6 - 8 - 6.70
WR/DB Russell Shepherd (LSU 6'1 196): 4.46 - 38.5" - 10'2 - 8 - 7.09 [Signed with Philadelphia Eagles as UDFA]
TE Joseph Fauria (UCLA 243): 4.72 - 35.5" - 10'0 - XX - 7.49 [Signed with Detroit Lions as UDFA]
TE Josh Hill (Idaho State 6'5 246): 4.63 - 36.5" - 10'7 - 20 - 7.10
TE Mike Shanahan (Pittsburgh 6'4 241): 4.81 - 30.5" - 9'6 - 18 - 7.34 [Signed with New York Jets as UDFA]
TE Levine Toilolo (Stanford 6'8 259): 4.77 - 33.5" - 9'9 - 19 - XX [[[DRAFTED - 4x36 by Atlanta Falcons]]]
TE Luke Willson (Rice 6'5 251): 4.46 - 38" - 10'2 - 23 - 7.04  [[[DRAFTED - 5x25 by Seattle Seahawks]]]
OL Jake Bscherer (Minnesota-Duluth 6'6 305): 5.22 - 32.5" - 9'1 - 18 - XX
OL Nick Embernate (San Diego State 6'4 304): 5.18 - 26" - 8'6 - 21 - 7.73 [Signed with Pittsburgh Steelers as UDFA]
OL Josh Kline (Kent State 6'2 307): 5.12 - 27" - 8'5 - 25 - 7.66 [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
OL Wade Jacobson (Washington State 6'6 303): 5.08 - 38" - 9'6 - 22 - 7.60
OL Ryan Jensen (Colorado-State Pueblo 6'4 317): 5.23 - 25.5" - 8'2 - 30 - 7.69 [[[DRAFTED - 6x35 by Baltimore Ravens]]]
OL Chris McDonald (Michigan State 6'4 300): 4.97 - 28" - 9'0 - 31 - 7.40 [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
OL Patrick Omameh (Michigan 6'4 303): 5.19 - 27" - 8'11 - 22 - XX [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
OL Ryan Schraeder (Valdosta State 6'7 304): 5.13 - 31.5" - 9'2 - 24 - 7.47 [Signed with Atlanta Falcons as UDFA]
OL Ivory Wade (Baylor 6'4 313): 5.11 - 27" - 8'3 - 26 - 7.46 [Signed with Pittsburgh Steelers as UDFA]
OL Duane Zlatnik (Kansas 6'3 312): 5.26 - 25" - 9'1 - 24 - 7.87
DE Mike Catapano (Princeton 6'4 271): 4.75 - 37.5" - 9'8 - 33 - 7.09 [[[DRAFTED - 7x01 Kansas City Chiefs]]]
DE Travis Chappelear (Northwest Missouri State 6'5 275): 4.70 - 37" - XX - 34 - XX [Signed with Cincinnati Bengals as UDFA]
DE Glenn Foster (Illinois 6'3 286): 4.79 - 39.5" - 10'9 - 29 - 7.15 [Signed with New Orleans Saints as UDFA]
DE Lawrence Okoye (6'5 304): 4.78 - 35" - 10'5 - XX - XX [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
DE Malliciah Goodman (Clemson 6'4 273): 4.67 - 33" - 9'9" - 26 - 7.10 [[[DRAFTED - 4x30 by Atlanta Falcons]]]
DE/LB Rufus Johnson (Tarleton State 6'5 266): 4.75 - 34.5" - 10'2 - XX - 7.69 [[[DRAFTED - 6x15 by New Orleans Saints]]]
DE/LB Shane McCardell (Mississippi State 6'4 247): 4.66 - 35" - 10'0 - 11 - 7.09
DE/LB John Simon (Ohio State 6'1 257): 4.68 - 34" - 10'1 - XX - 7.10 [[[DRAFTED - 4x32 by Baltimore Ravens]]]
DT A.J. Francis (Maryland 6'5 309): 5.19 - 29" - 9'4 - 24 - 7.45 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
DT John Jenkins (Georgia 6'4 343): 5.29 - 34.5" - 8'0 - XX - 7.74 [[[DRAFTED - 3x20 by New Orleans Saints]]]
DT Byron Jerideau (South Carolina 6'0 334): 5.16 - 25" - 7'9 - 37 - 7.62 [Signed with San Diego Chargers as UDFA]
DT Anthony McCloud (Florida State 6'2 305): 5.21 - 28.5" - 8'5 - 24 - 8.19
DT Mike Purcell (Wyoming 6'3 305): 5.18 - 31.5" - 9'8 - 26 - XX [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
DT Adam Replogle (Indiana 6'2 299): 5.08 - 31.5" - 8'10 - 38 - 7.62 [Signed with Atlanta Falcons as UDFA]
LB Kiko Alonso (Oregon 6'3 235): 4.74 - 30.5" - 9'9 - XX - 6.93 [[[DRAFTED - 2x14 by Buffalo Bills]]]
LB Maalik Bomar (Cincinnati 6'1 233): 4.69 - 34.5" - 9'7 - 19 - 6.92 [Signed with Jacksonville Jaguars as UDFA]
LB Armonty Bryant (East Central 6'5 259): 4.69 - 34.5" - 10'1 - 15 - 7.14 [[[DRAFTED - 7x11 by Cleveland Browns]]]
LB Michael Clay (Oregon 5'11 230): 4.76 - 31.5" - 9'6 - 23 - 6.73 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
LB Ja'Gared Davis (SMU 6'0 238): 4.78 - 32.5" - 9'9 - 14 - 7.26 [Signed with Houston Texans as UDFA]
LB Brandon Hepburn (Florida A&M 6'3 241): 4.54 - 36" - XX - XX - 7.31 [[[DRAFTED - 7x39 by Detroit Lions]]]
LB Nico Johnson (Alabama 6'2 250): 4.74 - 32" - 9'2 - XX - 7.37 [[[DRAFTED - 4x02 by Kansas City Chiefs]]]
LB Jake Knott (Iowa State 6'2 241): 4.75 - 34" - 9'5 - 20 - 7.16 [Signed with Philadelphia Eagles as UDFA]
LB Kevin Minter (LSU 6'0 245): 4.67 - 34.5" - 9'6 - XX - 7.39 [[[DRAFTED - 2x13 by Arizona Cardinals]]]
LB Craig Wilkins (Old Dominion 6'1 238): 4.54 - 36" - 10'4 - 28 - 7.85 [Signed with Seattle Seahawks as UDFA]
CB Camerron Cheatham (Cincinnati 5'8 187): 4.43 - 36" - 9'8 - 11 - 6.76
CB Marcus Cooper (Rutgers 6'2 192): 4.45 - 39.5" - 10'9 - 20 - 6.89 [[[DRAFTED - 7x46 by San Francisco 49ers]]]
CB Jeremy Harris (New Mexico State 6'2 181): 4.48 - 36.5" - 10'5 - 5 - 6.99
CB Andre Martin Jr. (North Dakota State 5'10 183): 4.46 - 35.5" - 9'10 - 17 - 6.94
CB Stephon Morris (Penn State 5'8 188): 4.35 - 35.5" - 10'0 - XX - XX [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
CB Nickell Roby (USC 5'8 172) 4.35 - 40.5" - 10'4 - 11 - XX [Signed with Buffalo Bills as UDFA]
CB Devin Smith (Wisconsin 5'10 182): 4.49 - XX - 10'3 - 17 - 6.67
CB Mitchell White (Michigan State 5'11 184): 4.42 - 33" - 9'11 - 14 - 6.76
CB C.J. Wilson (North Carolina State 5'11 195): 4.34 - 37" - 10'6 - 17 - 6.90
CB/WR Demetrius McCray (Appalachian State 6'5 185): 4.47 - 40.5" - 11' - 8 - XX [[[DRAFTED - 7x04 by Jacksonville Jaguars]]]
S Tunde Bakare (Kansas 5'9 202): 4.60 - 33.5" - 9'10 - 21 - 7.03
S Akeem Davis (Memphis 6'0 200): 4.45 - 39.5" - 10'6 - 19 - 7.53 [Signed with Seattle Seahawks as UDFA]
S Cody Davis (Texas Tech 6'2 203): 4.41 - 41.5" - 10'3 - 15 - 6.78
S Kanorris Davis (Troy State 5'9 211): 4.60 - 37" - 10'1 - 21 - 7.07 [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
S Don Jones (Arkansas State 5'11 191): 4.40 - 42" - 10'7 - 17 - 7.19 [[[DRAFTED - 7x44 by Miami Dolphins]]]
S Jordan Kovacs (Michigan 5'11 205): 4.57 - 35" - 10'2 - 16 - 6.70 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
S Joseph LeBeau (Jackson State 6'0 217): 4.53 - 35.5" - 10'7 - 26 - 7.34
S Ray Polk (Colorado 6'1 220): 4.40 - 39" - 10'6 - 19 - 7.10
S Cooper Taylor (Richmond 6'5 228): 4.49 - 36.5" - 10'7 - 23 - 6.96 [[[DRAFTED - 5x19 by New York Giants]]]
S Phillip Thomas (Fresno State 6'1 209): 4.59 - XX - XX - XX - 6.78 [[[DRAFTED - 4x22 by Washington Redskins]]]

List of Undrafted Free Agents Signed to Teams (http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013-nfl-undrafted-free-agents)
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on November 07, 2012, 05:41:50 AM
Do QBs next, plz. Thanks.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 07, 2012, 06:55:40 AM
Do QBs next, plz. Thanks.

Added my QB rankings (listed my Top 10 QBs).  I'm probably higher on Manuel, Nassib, & Klein than most whereas I'm lower on Tyler Wilson & Mike Glennon than most.

I was low on Ponder in the 2011 Draft and he's been fairly average (7-12, 23 TD vs 21 INT) despite having solid talent around him.  I was arguably higher on Gabbert than most and he's been below average on a much weaker team offensively (5-17, 21 TD vs 16 INT).
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on November 07, 2012, 07:02:09 AM
It'd be neat if the Packers get Montee Ball
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on November 07, 2012, 07:24:16 AM
Why would you want the Packers to draft a bust?
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on November 07, 2012, 07:57:17 AM
I dont watch college football at all anymore.  Has he looked bad this season?
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on November 07, 2012, 08:00:06 AM
Kinda. I still think he's worth a later round pick and could be a really good back.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on November 07, 2012, 08:03:22 AM
If the problem is that recent Wisconsin running backs haven't panned out in the NFL and, therefore, none of them ever will...well, that kind of analysis is best left to the experts in Bristol.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 07, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
Montee Ball is smaller and faster in pads than Ron Dayne, PJ Hill, John Clay, etc. so I don't get how the "Wisconsin" curse comes in regards to him.

Also Ron Dayne was the only highly drafted Wisconsin RB recently so he's worthy of the bust level.  PJ Hill & Clay were late round/UDFAs so their lack of success or moderate success shouldn't surprise anybody.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on November 07, 2012, 11:34:35 AM
I don't get it either.  Unless Montee completely fell off this year, I think he could do alright in the NFL.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 08, 2012, 03:31:23 AM
- P Sam Martin (Appalachian State) will likely be a Priority Free Agent.  Averaging up to 45.1 YPP this season.

Teams that could be in the market for a punter: Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders (46.9 Average but only 7/43 inside 20), Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 09, 2012, 05:59:54 AM
Added a handful of WRs to the first post.  There are other names (ala Russell Shepard out of LSU) but I'm not as familiar with them.

For me... a real game breaking WR needs to not only show speed but show enough speed so if that opposing DB were a hair faster, said WR could still get by them vertically or break the tackle and get more yards.  When WRs are struggling to break tackles or seem to be barely getting any separation (see Williams as an example of this IMO) that's not a good sign for their downfield NFL prospects.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on November 09, 2012, 07:08:06 AM
Don't trust a dude named Russell out of LSU.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on November 16, 2012, 05:23:05 PM
I've heard theories that Alabama players are somewhat disappointing in the NFL because Saban coaches his players up so well that they've already reached most or all of their potential. In other words, they lack upside. Obviously, Trent Richardson and Julio Jones are exceptions, but there's a whole glut of others that aren't necessarily tearing it up.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on November 17, 2012, 10:00:23 AM
Or most just aren't that good....
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on November 17, 2012, 10:01:01 AM
Rolando McClain comes to mind as well as Mt. Cody.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on November 17, 2012, 10:35:30 AM
I pity anyone who needs a quarterback in this draft. I just pity them.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on November 17, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
  :-\
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 26, 2012, 04:18:02 AM
DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine (Florida State) tore his ACL and likely won't be ready for the start of the 2013 NFL Season.  He has 2nd Round ability though so it's worth keeping an eye on where he falls in the Draft.  A big reason teams get steals in R3-7 is due to said player being 'injured'.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 26, 2012, 07:50:35 AM
I pity anyone who needs a quarterback in this draft. I just pity them.

Geno will be fine when he's on a team with an actual defense.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on November 30, 2012, 05:46:03 AM
Honey Badger declared.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on November 30, 2012, 04:59:37 PM
Hope that dude slips like a motherfucker and Chicago gets him as the heir to the Hester return man throne
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 03, 2012, 02:00:53 AM
Juniors Declaring
NC State CB David Amerson (Junior) has reportedly declared himself for the NFL Draft.
Missouri DT Sheldon Richardson (Junior) has also declared himself for the NFL Draft.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 03, 2012, 02:35:38 AM
Just added a ranking of the Senior DTs.  Note that I didn't list a few since I couldn't find anything on them yet.

I'm calling it now that DT John Jenkins will be a major bust unless a team can get his weight down to 315-325 and teach him some technique.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 05, 2012, 02:57:53 AM
I'll probably go team by team periodically for draft needs.

Oakland Raiders
- DL: Preferably a DT who can penetrate up the gap.  Ideally they would take Star out of Utah and transition to more of a Hybrid Front.
- ILB/MLB: Somebody to replace Rolando McClain and call the D. Could go FA to fill this role.
- QB: Carson Palmer has maybe 1 year, 2 tops left. He's lost arm strength and makes questionable reads.  Probably a 3rd-5th Rounder pick.
- FB: They need a real road grader type lead blocker. If he can catch, it's a bonus.
- CB: They need guys who can tackle in 1-1 situations more than anything, IMO. Coverage would be nice but tackling is mandatory.
- LT/C: They could use an upgrade at LT.  If Barnes is healthy at RT, he's very solid (especially in that Cleveland game).  The Gs came over from Houston and should help more with a year under their belt.

I think Oakland can get by with Marcel Reece at RB next year (maybe get some UDFAs who fit the scheme).  Oakland has ingredients to be a solid offense (Criner at WR made a standout block on a 12 yard run in that Cleveland game.  I LOVE to see stuff like that) but just need to get the pieces to gel together.

If Oakland can get a true lead blocker at FB, I think that alone could help improve the running game ten fold.

The emphasis should primarily be on defense, however.  They need disruptors along the DL (ala Raji in GB) and solid talent inside at LB.  The secondary can use depth and emphasis on tackling CBs should be made.  There's a world of difference when a CB can take a guy down after a 5 yard pass as opposed to allowing an 11-12 yard pass play because the WR broke their ankle tackle.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 05, 2012, 05:23:04 AM
Updated with my rankings of OLBs.  There are maybe 6 guys I like and a handful of latter guys.

I like Mingo a little more overall but Jones could be a great pass rusher (though he looks thin for his size).
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 05, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
I like Damontre Moore as an edge guy more than all of them. Has both inside and outside moves and can fight through blockers. Really strong against the run.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 05, 2012, 07:34:00 AM
I like Demonte Moore as an edge guy more than all of them. Has both inside and outside moves and can fight through blockers. Really strong against the run.

Yeah, gonna do the DEs up later this week.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 06, 2012, 06:02:38 AM
Ranked 14 DEs expected to go R1-3/4.  Curious to see what 909 thinks and where he may differ.

Also WR Keenan Allen has reportedly declared.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: AA484 on December 06, 2012, 06:44:27 AM
Scott Van Pelt Just pointed out that if the Raiders had selected the next person in the draft from 2004 till now, the Raiders Offense would consist of CJ Spiller,Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on December 06, 2012, 06:51:42 AM
Scott Van Pelt Just pointed out that if the Raiders had selected the next person in the draft from 2004 till now, the Raiders Offense would consist of CJ Spiller,Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Aaron Rodgers.

So they would be able to score a lot but still not stop anybody from scoring?
Not to mention, either Calvin or Larry would have been gone because they would not have been able to keep everyone. And Aaron would have died behind that slapdash offensive line.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 06, 2012, 07:56:27 AM
Ranked 14 DEs expected to go R1-3/4.  Curious to see what 909 thinks and where he may differ.

Also WR Keenan Allen has reportedly declared.

I waver a lot back and forth between Moore and Werner as the best guy. Not sure if I like Breslin, but he has a good motor and speed. I don't like Dion Jordan all that much. He is very fast but seems to rush standing too straight and has minimal power. If he improves his posture that could help him to have more strength when fighting through linemen.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on December 06, 2012, 09:14:00 AM
Werner will frustrate the shit out of you for a little while. Some games he looks like an unstoppable wrecking force hell bent on the death of the offensive players. Then he'll have a game that will leave you wondering was he even on the field. Considering he has not been playing football incredibly long (only since like 15), I'm leaning more towards raw talent that just needs time and coaching, and getting a good coach is going to be key. He is a pure beast when he learns more because he has a lot of tools and talent.

I think he would really benefit from another year of college but at the same time, would not blame him for leaving.

If you need someone who is going to be every game destruction and you have no time to wait for him to grow, he's not the guy you want to pick. If you are fine with waiting for him and can accept he is going to be inconsistent at the start, take him.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 10, 2012, 01:27:54 AM
I just watched the "top" 4 TEs and... yech.  I don't like this TE class at all if those guys are deemed the best so I'm not even gonna bother ranking them.

I should have the MLB/ILB rankings up shortly though.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Wizard of Maz on December 10, 2012, 01:39:58 AM
Ziggy Ansah out of BYU also only has like two years of playing under his belt and is really coachable. Could be a great steal for a team if they have good DL coach, he was a track guy and plays all over the field.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 10, 2012, 02:21:46 AM
Ranked my MLBs.  If your team needs an ILB/MLB, better hope they can get a FA or manage to shift a rookie OLB over.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 10, 2012, 04:52:22 AM
Lattimore is entering.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 10, 2012, 05:01:45 AM
Ranked my MLBs.  If your team needs an ILB/MLB, better hope they can get a FA or manage to shift a rookie OLB over.

Yeah, I'm really not a fan of these guys. Will be interesting to see how Ryan Shazier slots in should he declare after next season.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 10, 2012, 05:50:25 AM
DT Jonathan Hankins of Ohio State will declare.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 12, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
RB Knile Davis is entering the NFL Draft.  Missed 2011 with a broken left ankle and only ran for 377 yards this year.  He's also broken his right ankle twice and collarbone twice.

I'll be surprised if he's a mid-round pick or better.  I expect a 6th-7th Round pick at best as I hated him last year.  He's listed at 6'2" 226 so it wouldn't surprise me if a team asks him to bulk up to FB.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 13, 2012, 02:24:29 AM
Added my OT and OG rankings.  Love the Texas A&M OTs and Chance Warmack is solid.  Gabe Jackson has potential to be a beast at G too.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 16, 2012, 03:14:24 AM
Updated my QB Rankings!

Geno Smith & Matt Barkley would be around that Ryan Tannehill/Brandon Weeden range if coming out last year.  I think the 2nd/3rd Round is stacked with similar talent and QB Mike Glennon has a shot at being a 1st Rounder IMO.  I think if a team wants to trade down, they won't hurt too much going for anybody in the Glennon/Nassib/Manuel/Dysert group.

Aaron Murray would be smart to stay at Georgia for his Sr. Season.  Otherwise he can get thrown into the above tier.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 16, 2012, 04:02:04 AM
How on earth does Aaron Murray still have a year of eligibility. It feels like he's been at Georgia for 10 years.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on December 16, 2012, 04:11:06 AM
I know, I thought he immediately succeeded Stafford. That dude should be done by now. He's got nothing on Robert fucking Marve though, who's on like his 8th year of eligibility.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on December 16, 2012, 04:58:51 PM
I like a lot of things about Manti Te'o, but I can't believe the top-5 hype he's been getting. Not many linebackers go in the top 10, let alone top 5. Even the 3-4 pass-rushing Von Miller types rarely go that high, and those are the types that are actually worthy of that designation. But I know the media and certain segments of fans have fallen in love with him. I just hope my team isn't the one that gets suckered in.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 17, 2012, 06:21:41 AM
Ranked the top 16 WRs in the draft (in my opinion).  Some guys grew in my eyes e.g. Terrance Williams and a lot I kind of lowered/soured on e.g. Aaron Mellette.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 18, 2012, 03:48:36 AM
WR Justin Hunter of Tennessee has opted to enter the draft.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 22, 2012, 08:35:36 AM
Not gonna bother with any rankings but I'm just throwing this out here for hindsight viewing...

The only TEs that matter in this draft?  All JRs (Tyler Eifert, Zach Ertz, and Jordan Reed).

If Tyler Eifert comes out, HE WILL BUST!.  He should go in the early to middle 2nd Round but will probably get grabbed in the late 1st by a TE desperate team.  I was talking earlier with MFer about Brandon Pettigrew and Eifert is a similar player.  Solid enough blocker with above average straight line speed but he has next to no lateral quickness and struggled to get separation at the college level.

His inability to separate will greatly hinder any YAC at the NFL level and he's largely maxed out his size at 6'5" 252 pounds.  He has enough speed to go vertical but I can't see him beating out LBs or NBs often.  At best he'll be a marginal receiving TE who can help block but he won't be the vertical stretch TE averaging 12-13 YPR.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on December 22, 2012, 10:14:18 AM
Maybe Notre Dame tight ends are the new Wisconsin RB's or USC QB's? Anthony Fasano is average at best. John Carlson didn't work out in Seattle and is now backing up fellow Irishman Kyle Rudolph in Minnesota. I think Rudolph has a ton of potential, but so far, he's just a guy who gets red-zone TD's and little else.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 23, 2012, 03:09:08 AM
Added my thoughts on footwork & release with the QB Rankings.

Re-watched Peyton, Brady, and Brees in college.  They all had solid footwork but more importantly they had quick (Peyton) or compact releases with above average to good drive (aka zip) on their throws.  I noticed Brady putting similar zip on his throws in college that he's done over & over in the NFL, mainly on those 8-15 yard routes.

Guys like QB Matt Barkley and QB Tyler Wilson came off better looking at them this way whereas guys like QB Zac Dysert didn't look as strong.

Keys to a Good QB: Average+ footwork.  Quick or Compact Delivery (compare Peyton vs Leftwich as an extreme example).  Above average to good zip on their throws (especially in the intermediate range).
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 24, 2012, 01:34:34 AM
Ranked 18 RBs in this class.

There are maybe a handful of burners but part of the problem with this year's draft class is that a lot of them are RBBC types, Zone Blocking fits, or guys who just are solid but lack pure breakaway speed needed for the NFL (the later 12-18 guys).
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on December 24, 2012, 06:37:17 AM
WR Justin Hunter of Tennessee has opted to enter the draft.

It wasn't official before but it's now expected that his teammate Bray will also enter the draft.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on December 24, 2012, 06:37:52 AM
Added my thoughts on footwork & release with the QB Rankings.

Re-watched Peyton, Brady, and Brees in college.  They all had solid footwork but more importantly they had quick (Peyton) or compact releases with above average to good drive (aka zip) on their throws.  I noticed Brady putting similar zip on his throws in college that he's done over & over in the NFL, mainly on those 8-15 yard routes.

Guys like QB Matt Barkley and QB Tyler Wilson came off better looking at them this way whereas guys like QB Zac Dysert didn't look as strong.

Keys to a Good QB: Average+ footwork.  Quick or Compact Delivery (compare Peyton vs Leftwich as an extreme example).  Above average to good zip on their throws (especially in the intermediate range).

Where do you get this footage?
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 24, 2012, 07:00:27 AM
Where do you get this footage?

It's not exactly "super" All-22 but Youtube.  If you search "Geno Smith" for example, you'll get links of him making every throw vs various opponents.  Same for most other positions and usually the Top 15-20 at said position (JP I believe is one of the users).  They also have some videos from 2011 too if they had 'down' Senior seasons.

In addition, I do also like to look at highlights of players.  Bill Walsh initially watched a highlight video of WR Jerry Rice that largely sold him on Rice's ability.  Highlights usually aren't a great measuring tool but if you know what you're looking for, they can be a good indicator of what to expect.

I also like to look for highlights of older players ala Tom Brady (there's a great 9 minute video of his time at Michigan).  I'd argue maybe 8/10 times, what you see in college is roughly what you'll see at the NFL level.  Brady & Brees in particular basically looked the exact same as they do now in terms of footwork, throwing style, etc.  After you watch college highlights of the NFL superstars (Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, Arian Foster, Ray Rice, Emmitt Smith, etc. in terms of RBs) you get a really good feel whether a player in that year's draft class jumps out in a similar fashion or displays similar abilities.

A large reason why I like guys like Steve Slaton, Arian Foster, and Demarco Murray in past drafts is because they jumped off (Murray) or just resembled a lot of qualities that the good to great NFL RBs possessed (Foster and Slaton to a much lesser extent).
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 24, 2012, 07:22:18 AM
Normally I don't Youtube Spam but figured I'd offer up some "star" QB videos so you can see how similar they are to now (and what they all show to have in common).

Tom Brady
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM7Q4y1trtM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM7Q4y1trtM#)

Peyton Manning (throws for nearly 500 vs #4 Florida) Start about 3:25 in
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3lt1xmlUD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3lt1xmlUD8#)

Drew Brees
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_9f9xe_8Xs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_9f9xe_8Xs#ws)
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 24, 2012, 03:25:44 PM
WR Jerry Rice

ok that's enough
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Krankor on December 25, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
Harley do any of those OT or OG have early, mid or late first round potential? Are there any C worthwhile coming out in this class?

I'm hoping to god Chicago drafts something at O-Line in the first round.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 26, 2012, 12:49:06 AM
Joeckel, Lewan and Warmack are all probably going to go in the top 20.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Broward on December 26, 2012, 05:42:07 AM
So... That DE from SMU.. Flash or Sustainable Star?
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 26, 2012, 07:04:25 AM
Harley do any of those OT or OG have early, mid or late first round potential? Are there any C worthwhile coming out in this class?

I'm hoping to god Chicago drafts something at O-Line in the first round.

OT - Joeckel, Lewan, and Matthews are all probably going in the Top 15, if not even the Top 12.  Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson, and Oday Aboushi all have a chance to be 1st Rounders but probably mid to late round.  If Dallas Thomas gets taken as a T shifting inside to G, he could go in the 2nd Round IMO.
OG - Chance Warmack is probably the only one going in the 1st Round.  Jonathan Cooper may also go late 1st Round.  I really like Gabe Jackson & Warford but Jackson's currently projected 3rd Round and Warford is projected 2nd Round.
C - Barrett Jones out of Alabama is the only one projected to go late 1st/early 2nd Round right now.  Gut feeling says he's more likely to go in the early to mid 2nd Round.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 26, 2012, 08:45:29 AM
Here's a rough 1st Round possible breakdown by position

32 Teams

QBs: 4
RBs: 1
WRs: 3
TEs: 1
OT: 4
OG: 2
OC: 1
DE: 5
DT: 5
ILB: 1
OLB: 2
CB: 2
FS: 1
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 29, 2012, 02:15:17 AM
Big match-up later today at 3:15 PM ET.  QB Geno Smith (and WRs Tavon Austin & Stedman Bailey) & West Virginia go up against QB Ryan Nassib & Syracuse.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 30, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore is headed into the draft. That's an interesting declare in that the first round with and without him looks radically different, not just in players drafted but what positions teams draft.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on December 30, 2012, 03:03:20 PM
For the rest of the winter, I will study offensive linemen. I will not talk about the Bears until I have chosen one that wont bust.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 30, 2012, 06:26:10 PM
Now that the Raiders have clinched #3, if Star is there when we pick and he is not taken I'm going to fucking explode. I don't care if this guy has a knee set to explode at an indeterminate point in the future, if the Raiders don't take him we deserve every bit of shit we're forced to watch. There is absolutely no reason not to take him.

Also for people interested in Glennon, Barkley, Boyd...their teams are playing tomorrow. I really like Boyd. Considering that we longer need to draft him (he would never get a single rep in practice over Pryor) it's kinda irrelevant, but I'm pretty sure he'll be a good QB.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 30, 2012, 06:30:48 PM
The raiders could use a qb to emerge as worth taking at 1 or 2 which would obviously mean a player theyd covet more would be there at 3.  The media will push hard on a qb if they have anything...and Geno Smith didn't do them any favors shitting the bed instead of making the case that KC should take him.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 30, 2012, 06:45:02 PM
The thing in our favor regarding that is the Chiefs run a 3-4 and just took a big fuck NT. Also spent countless picks on them in previous drafts. Also, as for what's wrong with them, defense isn't the problem. Then there's the matter of Jacksonville's QB problem, and that they just took Alualu in 2010 and need a edge rusher. They also have a filling seats problem. I wouldn't be surprised for both teams to go QB even though the Jags are going to pick up Tebow, but if the Jags don't, I think they'll take Bjoern Werner out of FSU or Jarvis Jones.

Considering the teams around us are the Chiefs, Jaguars, Eagles, Lions...even we had finished fifth I'd like our chances at getting Lotulelei. I have never been so sure that the Raiders needed to take a certain player in my entire life. It's pretty much going to be in their hands. If they fuck this up, I will have to do some serious thinking. If you have a huge defensive problem, are losing your two shitty overpaid DT's and don't take a huge, dominant cornerstone DT...there's no hope. I really don't give a fuck about offensive line, we've made so many sunk cost picks there recently that I do not believe the players in and of itself are the problem. We cannot do that now.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 30, 2012, 06:49:15 PM
I don't think the jags will take a qb early this year.  I think they're comfortable using Tebow and giving Gabbert another year to prove he's not good...and waiting for a better draft class.  It's not like they're going to be drafting much lower than this next year.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 30, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
Next class has two QB's in it and is not any better. And that's only if Johnny Football comes out as a redshirt sophomore. If not there's just one. As bad as the Jets were with Sanchez, with all those cap casualties they're going to have, they're going to be worse...and probably get the top pick. I don't care if their formerly fat ass coach thinks they'll be good or not.

The Jaguars are also changing GM. I checked around the web to see if there actually were any Jacksonville fans, and I guess there are. Even taking the Tebow thing into account, the 10 of them think they should also take a QB or go safe with this pick. Too many risky moves I guess. I can't remember the last time they made a normal first round pick.

Their offense is junk too but I don't know how they fix it. Shorts and Blackmon should be good receivers. MJD should be a good back and Lewis a good TE. But plug and play QB leaves them so far behind that a better one probably doesn't get them over 7 wins.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on December 31, 2012, 05:03:05 AM
Shit, Mike Glennon threw three picks. He's got the tools, but makes some dumbass throws sometimes.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on January 06, 2013, 03:46:42 PM
Take Aaron Murray out of the late round pick ups, he has decided to stay put for another year. Smart decision, could easily sneak himself into the first round next year now.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 06, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
It's definitely a good idea on his part, the QB class is weak next year and he probably will be a 1/2 round tweener due to reputation. But I have never seen anything in the 10 years he's been in college to indicate he should go in the first round.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on January 06, 2013, 03:54:22 PM
Jacksonville needs to make a big move for Alex Smith and just draft the best player available. They'd go 8-8.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Beer Baron on January 06, 2013, 03:57:20 PM
Unless you develop the offense around Smith skills and get him a great running back and a strong o-line, Smith won't make you an 8-8 team.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 06, 2013, 03:59:49 PM
They have those things but would still never win more than 6 games with a Smith. Their playcalling has been fucked up for years, special teams are shit, and they get no defensive support at all.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 07, 2013, 04:39:45 AM
Oklahoma WR Kenny Stills (projected 3rd Round) and S Tony Jefferson (projected 2nd/3rd Round) are both entering the draft.  FB Trey Millard is staying for his Senior year.

Stanford's Shayne Skov, Ben Gardner, and Trent Murphy are all staying for their Senior years.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 07, 2013, 05:05:19 AM
East-West Shrine Game
East coach will be Jerry Glanville.  West coach will be Leeman Bennett.

Some under the radar guys to keep eyes out for...
QB Seth Doege (6'1" 205) of Texas Tech (WEST)
RB Rex Burkhead (5'10" 210) of Nebraska (WEST)
RB/FB Zach Line (6'1" 230) of SMU (WEST) - Probably will be considered the 1st FB off the board but if he slims down, could be a "big" RB
RB Zac Stacy (5'9" 214) of Vanderbilt (EAST)
WR Trent Steelman (6'0" 190) of Army (EAST) - Converting from QB
TE Joseph Fauria (6'7" 255) of UCLA (WEST)
TE D.C. Jefferson (6'6" 250) of Rutgers (EAST)
OT Terron Armstead (6'5" 310) of Arkansas Pine-Bluff (EAST)
OG Omoregie Uzzi (6'3" 305) of Georgia Tech (EAST)
OC James Ferentz (6'1" 288) of Iowa (WEST)
DT Josh Boyd (6'3" 300) of Mississippi State (WEST)
LB Gerald Hodges (6'2" 251) of Penn State (EAST)
LB DeVonte Holloman (6'2" 240) of South Carolina (WEST)
CB Kayvon Webster (5'11" 196) of USF (EAST)
S Zeke Motta (6'3" 215) of Notre Dame (WEST)
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: oldskool on January 07, 2013, 07:35:18 AM
Isn't it really late for Steelman to be pulling a reverse Tannehill? Dude was a 4-year starter running the triple option at Army.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 07, 2013, 07:42:56 AM
Isn't it really late for Steelman to be pulling a reverse Tannehill? Dude was a 4-year starter running the triple option at Army.

Not really.  The guy was a perfect Option QB for Army and showed off enough of a skill set to have scouts/coaches want to see if he can do it at WR.  Plenty of college QBs have made "late" transitions to WR including Josh Cribbs (who started 4 years at Kent State) and Julian Edelman (started 3 years at Kent State).

Also Steelman will likely be a 7th Round/UDFA pick at best so it won't hurt to have him develop on a team's PS after his engagement.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: oldskool on January 07, 2013, 07:51:49 AM
I dunno, I'd rather take the guy with any experience at all at WR over a convertee. For every one guy who contributes at WR there's another dozen who couldn't switch positions.

Not looking forward to Day 3 coverage when it'll be TRENT STEELMAN CRYCHAT if/until/when he gets picked. Then again who watches Day 3 coverage beyond the last few seconds to see that codger they wheel out to depressingly struggle through the speech before the Mr. Irrelevant pick, hoping they'll pick someone with a ridiculous name he'll hilariously butcher the pronunciation of?
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 07, 2013, 08:15:02 AM
I dunno, I'd rather take the guy with any experience at all at WR over a convertee. For every one guy who contributes at WR there's another dozen who couldn't switch positions.

Most QB to WR converts are guys taken who flash potential.  I'd rather take a shorter sized QB who can run 4.5-4.6 range who's shown the ability to carry the ball & take a hit over say a 6'2"-6'3" WR who lacks that agility/acceleration and may not even be that effective on ST.

- Matt Jones: 1st Round (busted due to drugs).  Really should have been tried as a TE.  As it is, he had 2 seasons over 600 yards receiving.
- Anquan Boldin: 2nd Round (played some WR at Florida State)
- Antwaan Randle El: 2nd Round
- Hines Ward: 3rd Round (played some WR at Georgia)
- Armanti Edwards: 3rd Round
- Michael Robinson: 4th Round - Made rare transition of QB to RB
- Marques Hagans: 5th Round
- Reggie McNeal: 6th Round
- Ronald Curry: 7th Round
- Julian Edelman: 7th Round
- Josh Cribbs: UDFA
- Diondre Borel: UDFA
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on January 07, 2013, 08:17:06 AM
Don't forget Diondre Borel
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Bored on January 07, 2013, 04:02:15 PM
Stanford lost two tight ends, Zach Ertz (not surprising) and Levine Toilolo (a bit surprising). Toilolo has the size that gives scouts hard ons but he just never really had the production to match it. I think a weak tight end class and that he suffered a major knee injury previously played in to him leaving early but I think he'd have been better off staying for his final year.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 08, 2013, 08:42:18 AM
Lots of Junior draft declarations now coming out.

TE Tyler Eifert (Notre Dame)
LT Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M)
LT David Bakhtiari (Colorado) - Reportedly received a 2nd/3rd Round grade
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 09, 2013, 06:45:20 AM
HQ's 1st Mock Draft
01: Kansas City - OT Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M).  Need help all over but get arguably the best OL in the draft.
02: Jacksonville - QB Geno Smith (West Virginia).  Get their franchise QB, stick Gabbert to a backup role.
03: Oakland - DT Star Lotulelei (Utah).  Big body who can immediately give them a run stuffer/beast in the middle.
04: Philadelphia - DE Bjoern Werner (Florida State).  Getting old at the DL and he gives them a flash rusher.
05: Detroit - DE Damontre Moore (Texas A&M).  Gonna lose a lot of defensive players and need an edge rusher.
06: Cleveland - OT Taylor Lewan (Michigan).  Could go QB but Lewan's a very good talent and Cleveland shores up OL for RB Trent Richardson.
07: Arizona - DT Johnathan Hankins (Ohio State).  Gut feeling says they stick with Kolb at QB.  Go for a DT who can clog the middle and stuff the running game.
08: Buffalo - QB Ryan Nassib (Syracuse).  Familiar with the HC and OC.  Great fit and a playmaker.
09: NY Jets - OLB Jarvis Jones (Georgia).  Rex wants a fast, aggressive D and Jones is tailor made for him.  Rex rides Sanchez to riches or ruins.
10: Tennessee - CB Dee Milliner (Alabama).  Awful everywhere and badly need a top tier CB.
11: San Diego - DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo (LSU).  Chargers need to get after the QB and Mingo is a big upgrade.
12: Miami - OG Chance Warmack (Alabama).  Need a physical presence inside for the run & pass, Warmack is a beast.
13: Tampa Bay - FS Eric Reid (LSU).  Gives them a big presence for a team that struggled mightily against the pass.
14: Carolina - MLB Manti Te'o (Notre Dame).  Stun everybody but Kuechly allows Te'o to do what he does best and cover.
15: New Orleans - DT Sheldon Richardson (Missouri).  Legendarily awful but need to penetrate the LOS and he does just that.
16: St. Louis - OT Eric Fisher (Central Michigan).  Need to keep Bradford upright and get a guy who can swing to RT.
17: Pittsburgh - OG Jonathan Cooper (North Carolina).  Got DeCastro last year but look to rebuild their running game inside and it starts with a DeCastro/Cooper tandem.
18: Dallas - DT Jesse Williams (Alabama).  Finally get a big body to tie up blockers inside.  Helps their run defense too.
19: NY Giants - DE Sam Montgomery (LSU).  Aim to get younger along the DL and help give depth to their pass rush.
20: Chicago - DE Ezekiel Ansah (BYU).  Brings some versatility and can play DE or DT.
21: Cincinnati - WR Keenan Allen (California).  Need a weapon opposite AJ Green and get their man here.
22: St. Louis - TE Tyler Eifert (Notre Dame).  Allows the Rams to go with a 2 TE set and aids Bradford with another weapon.
23: Minnesota - WR Robert Woods (USC).  Gives Ponder a target outside and a much needed weapon.
24: Indianapolis - DT John Jenkins (Georgia).  The massive 3-4 NT is coming and it'll be Jenkins.
25: Baltimore - MLB Kevin Minter (LSU).  Need somebody to replace Ray and this guy is explosive.
26: Green Bay - OT Lane Johnson (Oklahoma).  They struggled badly in pass pro and he can help quickly.
27: Atlanta - RB Eddie Lacy (Alabama).  Take arguably the best RB to replace Michael Turner.
28: Houston - CB Xavier Rhodes (Florida State).  Need some help in that secondary and will offer depth.
29: Seattle - WR Tavon Austin (West Virginia).  Explosive and versatile.  Can line up at RB & WR.
30: Denver - QB Matt Barkley (USC).  Luxury pick as Peyton's getting older and Osweiler is raw & unproven.
31: New England - SS Matt Elam (Florida).  Chung gets hurt often and Elam will be a solid pick here.
32: San Francisco - OT Oday Aboushi (Virginia).  Get some needed OL help because that division is nasty.

A lot of ways this draft can fall, especially towards the back half.  I had QB Mike Glennon & RB Giovani Bernard falling out of the 1st Round but wasn't sure where either would end up.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 09, 2013, 06:46:35 AM
If Mike Glennon falls to the 2nd round, I want the Jets to trade up.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on January 09, 2013, 06:47:38 AM
I'm at the point where I hope this is what happens.  I don't care where Nassib is ranked...I'm endlessly fascinated by the experiment of having his coach and coordinator come with him into the pros.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Krankor on January 09, 2013, 07:27:40 AM
I would endorse the Chicago Bears drafting the entire Alabama O-Line.

I really don't see Chicago going with DE the first round. O-Line or ILB. I'd only go ILB if they think they can trade up and grab Barrett Jones at the end of the 1st or early 2nd round.

O-line is #1, #2, and #3 priorities for this team right now. Hopefully free agency can take care of part of that need.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on January 09, 2013, 07:49:32 AM
I feel like Jake Long should be a cautionary tale for why you don't draft a franchise tackle before you have your QB situation sorted out. Unless Geno just totally fuckin tanks at the combine, I have a hard time seeing Reid picking anyone else.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on January 09, 2013, 07:50:13 AM
Andy Reid.  Black QB.  This pick is made.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: oldskool on January 09, 2013, 07:56:16 AM
If the Bills pass on Nassib at 8 (they should, he's not a top-10 pick quarterback) I hope the Jets take him at 9 for the full boat of "Buffalo still doesn't have a quarterback" along with "The Jets managed to draft another shitty quarterback BUT THIS TIME HE'S OUT FOR REVENGE AGAINST THE COACH WHO SPURNED HIM"
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on January 09, 2013, 07:59:09 AM
At this point for Buffalo anyone who can throw a ball in a forward direction is worth a top ten pick.  If they wait until the second round, with all those teams that need QB in front of them picking twice, they could end up with the 6th guy.  Not ending up with the 6th guy is more than enough reason to not wait.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 09, 2013, 09:34:41 AM
Michigan LT Taylor Lewan is staying in school.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 09, 2013, 10:12:32 AM
QB Tajh Boyd is returning to Clemson.  I think it's a smart move on his part.

Good list (http://www.gbnreport.com/juniors.htm) of players who have declared.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on January 10, 2013, 04:04:51 AM
Michigan LT Taylor Lewan is staying in school.

whoa
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 10, 2013, 06:58:27 AM
Speaking of whoas...

LSU OT Chris Faulk has declared as has Georgia NT Kwame Geathers (reportedly got 3rd-6th Round projections).  One interesting FCS name making the jump is WR Brandon Kaufman out of Eastern Washington.  Finally Oklahoma LB Tom Wort will likely be declaring as well.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 10, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
Completely overhauled my RB rankings.  Mainly just looked for speed, fighting for yards/running with a forward lean, and breaking tackles.  Guys like Zac Stacy remind me of Vick Ballard last year.  Not overly flashy but solid workman-like downhill RBs.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on January 11, 2013, 12:58:35 AM
I still want GB to take Montee Ball.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 11, 2013, 03:16:16 AM
Re-ranked the ILB.  Only 7 names really worth following but Kevin Minter stays atop my list.  Te'o (no surprise) and Reddick both drop a bit.  I think Nico Johnson could be a good value pick if he falls to the 3rd Round.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Damaramu on January 11, 2013, 06:55:35 AM
Speaking of whoas...

  Finally Oklahoma LB Tom Wort will likely be declaring as well.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good luck asshole.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 11, 2013, 07:40:44 AM
Alabama CB Dee Milliner, RB Eddie Lacy, and RT DJ Fluker are all headed to the pros.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on January 11, 2013, 07:42:31 AM
Dee Milliner is gonna be great.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 11, 2013, 09:30:58 AM
Quick heads up

Casino Del Sol All-Star game is on ESPN3 at 9:00 PM ET.  Not really many names but one guy is DT JaMarkus MacFarland of Oklahoma.  Also RB Ontarrio McCaleb is in the game (was the RB for Auburn when they won the NC with Cam Newton).
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on January 11, 2013, 09:43:00 AM
JaMarkus MacFarland

F'real?
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on January 11, 2013, 11:03:42 AM
A lot of people are very high on Chance Warmack, even moreso than DeCastro last year. The problem is that guards rarely get drafted in the top-15. The last time a guard was drafted in the top-10 was 1997. Before that, you have to go back to 1986. The Lions could really use a dominant force like him in the middle of their O-line, but they would have to trade back several spots. Maybe they can settle for Barrett Jones near the top of the 2nd round.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 11, 2013, 12:03:42 PM
Fun note.  Bill Fralic was the only G to go Top 5 in 1985.  He was a 4 time Pro Bowler and 2 1st Team All-Pro selections.

Another fun note.  In 1982 & 1983, Houston took a G in the Top 10.  Mike Munchak & Bruce Matthews, both went to the HOF.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Will Scarlet on January 11, 2013, 01:24:45 PM
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Casino Del Sol All-Star game is on ESPN3 at 9:00 PM ET.

I'm bored so I turned this on.  Some pretty bad football so far.  At least the East offense is providing entertainment.  That botched snap leading to a safety was easily the worst I've ever seen.  I'm guessing that center will be going pro in something other than football. 

EDIT: And Interception #4(at least) of the night by the East, and we just reached halftime.  This is great!
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Linx on January 11, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
Right now i'm hoping the Titans pull the trigger on Warmack at #10. Tennessee badly needs OL help, taking Warmack and grabbing a safety in round 2 would be ideal.

Doubting that happens though. The entire staff is in a win or else year next season, plus Munchak & Matthews believe they can coach up later round OL picks so i'm expecting a 'sexier' pick than offensive line. Dominant/high upside pass rusher most likely. Very unlikely they go cornerback in the 1st round, McCourty & Verner are a mile down the list of Titans problems right now.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 12, 2013, 03:53:51 AM
DT Brandon Moore (Texas) has declared.  A little surprising since he was a JUCO transfer and started just 5 games for Texas (18 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 8 TFL).

Also CBs Steve Williams (California) and Terrence Brown (Stanford) have declared.  This currently sets a new record of 67 underclassmen declaring which surpasses last year's record of 65.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 13, 2013, 03:19:39 AM
One guy to watch out for in the middle rounds is OG Hugh Thornton (Illinois) listed at 6'4" 310.  He's played RT, LG, and started at LT in 2012.  He's projected to go around the 3rd-4th Round.

Similar versatility to Clint Boling when he came out of Georgia.  Boling was a 4th Round pick but started at LG this year for the Bengals.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Damaramu on January 14, 2013, 02:22:24 AM
JaMarkus MacFarland

F'real?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

One of the main complaints everyone around here had about OU this year was that these players had huge egos and cared more about the name on the back of the jersey than the front. And they all played like entitled bitches at the end of the season. Now McFarland and that loser Wort have declared. Good luck assholes.

Come on Harley tell me the truth? Neither will be drafted will they? If any team takes Tom Wort they should hang their head in shame.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 14, 2013, 03:43:24 AM
Neither will be drafted probably.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Damaramu on January 14, 2013, 05:37:52 AM
Neither will be drafted probably.

I'd feel better if the probably wasn't on there, but good. I didn't mind McFarland but I've always hated Wort. He is a missed tackle/injury prone machine.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 15, 2013, 02:58:59 AM
East-West Shrine Game kicks off this week.  Next week is the Senior Bowl.  How important are these games?

In 2012, the Shrine Game had 37 players drafted and another 56 signed as UDFAs.

The intriguing names in the Shrine Game include... Most will likely be late rounders to UDFAs but there's some real talent in this crop.
QB Seth Doege (Texas Tech)
QB Collin Klein (Kansas State)
QB Matt Scott (Arizona)
RB Ray Graham (Pittsburgh)
RB Montel Harris (BC/Temple)
RB/FB Zach Line (SMU)
RB Christine Michael (Texas A&M)
RB Zac Stacy (Vanderbilt)
WR Trent Steelman (Army)
TE Joseph Fauria (UCLA) - Related to TE Christian Fauria
TE Lucas Reed (New Mexico)
OG/C James Ferentz (Iowa) - Son of HC Kirk Ferentz
DE Mike Catapano (Princeton)
DT Josh Boyd (Mississippi State)
LB DeVonte Holloman (South Carolina)
CB Micah Hyde (Iowa)
CB Rod Sweeting (Georgia Tech)
S Zeke Motta (Notre Dame)
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 15, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
Notable Weigh-In numbers from the East-West Shrine Game
RB Ray Graham: 5'9" 192
RB Montel Harris: 5'8" 206 (great weight for the height)
RB Zac Stacy: 5'8" 215
WR/TE Rodney Smith: 6'4" 220 with an insane 84 1/4 inch wingspan
WR Trent Steelman: 5'11" 208
TE Lucas Reed: 6'6" 249 with an insane 84 3/8 inch wingspan
DE Devin Taylor: 6'7" 275 with a monstrous 86 5/8 inch wingspan
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 17, 2013, 02:40:54 AM
Notable Weigh-Ins from the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl  A lot of short WRs (I'm talking 5'7"-5'9" at this game) so don't be surprised if some get invites as slot guys.

QB Brad Sorensen (Utah State) 6'4" 237
QB Ryan Higgins (Fordham) 6'2" 191
QB Jordan Rodgers (Vanderbilt) 6'1" 212
RB Mike James (Miami) 5'11" 220
RB Orwin Smith (Georgia Tech) 5'11" 200
RB/FB Mike Zordich (Penn State) 6'0" 233
RB/WR Sam McGuffie (Rice) 5'10" 198
FB Richard Samuel (Georgia) 6'0" 238
WR Alfred Diller (Sam Houston State) 6'1" 206
WR Andrew Terrell (Stanford) 5'10" 180
WR Kevin Norrell (Stony Brook) 5'9" 199
TE T.J. Knowles (Cal State Sacramento) 6'7" 254
TE Ben Cotton (Nebraska) 6'5" 258
OT James Nelson (UTEP) 6'6" 341
OT Templeton Hardy (Mississippi State) 6'3" 326
OG Duane Zlatnik (Kansas) 6'3" 316
C Kyle Quinn (Arizona) 6'3" 288
DE/OLB Shane McCardell (Mississippi State) 6'4" 243
DE/OLB Pete Massaro (Penn State) 6'3" 254
DT Donovan Carter (UCLA) 6'1" 315
DT Darius Smith (Miami) 6'1" 341
CB Dominique Battle (Cincinnati) 5'10" 187
SS Kemal Ishmael (UCF) 5'11" 212
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 17, 2013, 05:10:40 AM
East-West Shrine Game will be on NFL Network at 4:00 PM ET on Saturday.
NFLPA Collegiate Bowl will be on ESPN2 at 6:00 PM ET on Saturday.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 21, 2013, 05:01:44 AM
Notable Senior Bowl Weigh Ins

QB Mike Glennon: 6'7" 220
QB E.J. Manuel: 6'4" 237
QB Landry Jones: 6'4" 221
QB Zac Dysert: 6'3" 224
QB Ryan Nassib: 6'2" 223
QB Tyler Wilson: 6'2" 218

RB Mike Gillislee: 5'11" 207
RB Jonathan Franklin: 5'10" 201
RB Andre Ellington: 5'10" 197
RB Stepfan Taylor: 5'9" 216
RB Kenjon Barner: 5'9" 188 (Really light)

WR Aaron Mellette: 6'3" 216
WR Aaron Dobson: 6'3" 203
WR Terrance Williams: 6'2" 201
WR Cobi Hamilton: 6'2" 199
WR Ryan Swope: 6'0" 204
WR Quinton Patton: 6'0" 202
WR Conner Vernon: 6'0" 193
WR Tavarres King: 6'0" 192
WR Denard Robinson: 5'11" 196
WR Markus Wheaton: 5'11" 183

OL Eric Fisher: 6'7" 305
OL Lane Johnson: 6'6" 302
OL DJ Fluker: 6'5" 355
OL Oday Aboushi: 6'5" 310
OL Dallas Thomas: 6'5" 308
OL Brian Winters: 6'4" 310
OL Larry Warford: 6'3" 333
OL Hugh Thornton: 6'3" 313

DE Margus Hunt: 6'8" 277
DE Datone Jones: 6'4" 280

DT John Jenkins: 6'4" 359
DT Sylvester Williams: 6'3" 313
DT Kawann Short: 6'3" 308
DT Jordan Hill: 6'1" 294

ILB/OLB Chase Thomas: 6'3" 241
ILB/OLB John Simon: 6'2" 256
ILB/OLB Nico Johnson: 6'2" 249
ILB/OLB Kevin Reddick: 6'2" 246
ILB Zavier Gooden: 6'2" 233
ILB Khaseem Greene: 6'1" 236
ILB Sean Porter: 6'1" 231

DE/OLB Alex Okafor: 6'5" 261
DE/OLB Malliciah Goodman: 6'4" 272
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 21, 2013, 05:14:09 AM
holy shit Mike Glennon. Put some weight on, and if he's still there in the 2nd round, we out.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 21, 2013, 05:15:53 AM
Manuel is built. John Jenkins is too fucking fat.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 21, 2013, 05:43:38 AM
Surprised at the size of Terrance Williams.  Thought he'd be more in that Brandon Marshall mold of 6'3-6'4 and 220+.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 24, 2013, 03:29:18 AM
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At this week's Senior Bowl, (Chase) Thomas has drawn interest from 3-4 teams as an outside linebacker and 4-3 teams as a defensive end. The Texans and Chiefs are among the 3-4 teams Thomas has met with this week. He's also had brief meetings with 4-3 teams, including the Cowboys, Dolphins, Jaguars, Falcons, and Bucs. The Cowboys are planning to switch to a 4-3 after the hiring of Monte Kiffin.

“A lot of them talk about how I can play strongside linebacker and play over the tight end, which is pretty much the same thing I did at Stanford,” Thomas said.

CBSSports and NFLDraftScout have Thomas projected going in the 2nd or 3rd Round.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on January 24, 2013, 04:09:56 AM
I've been hearing a lot of good things about Eric Fisher. He can probably put an extra 10-15 pounds on that frame and still be good to go. Could get up into that top-10 at this rate.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on January 24, 2013, 05:25:56 AM

E.J Manuel is just Christian Ponder. He's more athletic (not by much) but he just makes some really REALLY poor decisions at times. Good arm though but his accuracy can leave a lot to be desired. I think there is a lot of room for him to improve though but he will be inconsistent, just like Ponder.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 25, 2013, 10:23:04 AM
HQ Mock Draft 1.1 2 Round Version!
01 Kansas City Chiefs: OT Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M)
02 Jacksonville Jaguars: DE Bjoern Werner (Florida State)
03 Oakland Raiders: DE Damontre Moore (Texas A&M)
04 Philadelphia Eagles: CB Dee Milliner (Alabama)
05 Detroit Lions: OLB Jarvis Jones (Georgia)
06 Cleveland Browns: QB Geno Smith (West Virginia)
07 Arizona Cardinals: QB Matt Barkley (USC)
08 Buffalo Bills: QB Ryan Nassib (Syracuse)
09 New York Jets: OLB Barkevious Mingo (LSU)
10 Tennessee Titans: DT Star Lotulelei (Utah) *Go with BPA and Star reminds them of how dominant Haynesworth could be*
11 San Diego Chargers: OT Eric Fisher (Central Michigan)
12 Miami Dolphins: WR Keenan Allen (California)
13 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: S Kenny Vaccaro (Texas)
14 Carolina Panthers: OG Chance Warmack (Alabama)
15 New Orleans Saints: DT Sheldon Richardson (Missouri) *Saints ecstatic as he can play either 5 Tech or NT*
16 St. Louis Rams: OT Lane Johnson (Oklahoma)
17 Pittsburgh Steelers: DT John Jenkins (Georgia)
18 Dallas Cowboys: DT Jesse Williams (Alabama)
19 New York Giants: DE Datone Jones (UCLA)
20 Chicago Bears: ILB Kevin Minter (LSU)
21 Cincinnati Bengals: WR Cordarrelle Patterson (Tennessee)
22 St. Louis Rams: OG Jonathan Cooper (North Carolina)
23 Minnesota Vikings: MLB Manti Te'o (Notre Dame)
24 Indianapolis Colts: CB Xavier Rhodes (Florida State)
25 Seattle Seahawks: DE Alex Okafor (Texas)
26 Green Bay Packers: RB Eddie Lacy (Alabama)
27 Houston Texans: OLB Dion Jordan (Oregon)
28 Denver Broncos: TE Zach Ertz (Stanford)
29 New England Patriots: S Matt Elam (Florida)
30 Atlanta Falcons: DE Ezekial Ansah (BYU)
31 San Francisco 49ers: DT Sharrif Floyd (Florida) *Can play either 5 Tech or NT in their 3-4*
32 Baltimore Ravens: DT Johnathan Hankins (Ohio State)

34 Kansas City Chiefs: QB Tyler Wilson (Arkansas)
35 Philadelphia Eagles: OT D.J. Fluker (Alabama) *Again surprise but continue to wait for QB value that fits*
36 Detroit Lions: CB Johnthan Banks (Mississippi State)
37 Cincinnati Bengals: DE Sam Montgomery (LSU)
38 Arizona Cardinals: TE Tyler Eifert (Notre Dame)
39 NY Jets: WR Tavon Austin (West Virginia)
40 Tennessee Titans: CB Jordan Poyer (Oregon State)
41 Buffalo Bills: WR Robert Woods (USC)
42 Miami Dolphins: S Eric Reid (LSU)
43 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: CB Logan Ryan (Rutgers
44 Carolina Panthers: WR Terrance Williams (Baylor)
45 San Diego Chargers: QB Mike Glennon (NC State)
46 St. Louis Rams: OT Oday Aboushi (West Virginia)
47 Dallas Cowboys: OT Kyle Long (Oregon)
48 Pittsburgh Steelers: DE Kawann Short (Purdue) *Will use him at 5 Tech*
49 NY Giants: S Phillip Thomas (Fresno State)
50 Chicago Bears: C Barrett Jones (Alabama)
51 Washington Redskins: CB Jamar Taylor (Boise State)
52 Minnesota Vikings: WR Quinton Patton (Louisiana Tech)
53 Cincinnati Bengals: OLB Khaseem Greene (Rutgers)
54 Miami Dolphins: DE Margus Hunt (SMU)
55 Green Bay Packers: C Travis Frederick (Wisconsin)
56 Seattle Seahawks: WR Aaron Dobson (Marshall)
57 Houston Texans: WR Markus Wheaton (Oregon State)
58 Denver Broncos: CB David Amerson (NC State)
59 New England Patriots: OG Dallas Thomas (Tennessee) *Shifts inside from OT*
60 Atlanta Falcons: DE Malliciah Goodman (Clemson)
61 San Francisco 49ers: OLB Chase Thomas (Stanford)
62 Baltimore Ravens: OT David Bakhtiari (Colorado)
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2013, 11:22:08 AM
If Star is on the board and we don't take him I will cry, even though I like Moore. On the other hand, trading the pick to get a high 2nd and taking Richardson or Milliner with the swapped first and Eric Reid with the second would be appealing too. Trading down should be heavily explored because the differences in the top rated defensive players are really not that big.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on January 25, 2013, 11:33:39 AM
No fucking way Arizona reaches on Barkley. The last USC QB named Matt that they drafted didn't pan out so well.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on January 25, 2013, 11:35:58 AM
Tavon Austin would be a beast in the West Coast Offense.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on January 25, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
Raiders need to trade down in this draft to try and grab a second round pick. DL and LB should be the focus of this drat for us.
Title: Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on January 25, 2013, 11:47:17 AM
No fucking way Arizona reaches on Barkley. The last USC QB named Matt that they drafted didn't pan out so well.

There is no doubt Arians takes Barkley. Considering their QB situation I don't know how anyone could argue against it either. All those fools who drafted Leinart are long fuckin' gone, so it really doesn't matter what Arizona did before, and in any case, Barkley isn't like Matt Leinart at all.  After his pro day he'll be right back up the board. Barkley has a similar skillset to Luck and Arians did really well with him, so he'll try to replicate it. Luck's deep ball isn't that great and neither is Barkley's. But from 0-20 Barkley is really accurate and has shown he is capable of getting the ball to his best receiver regardless of coverage. Which is obviously what Fitzgerald needs.

I would bet my board clothes for the whole offseason after the draft that if Barkley is on the board the Cardinals will take him. They may trade down a few spots but they will. The only real question is whether or not Cleveland does it first.

And when you think about it, what else is Arizona going to do? They're not taking defense cause they just hired an offensive coach and in every coach's first draft they prefer to impact their primary area of focus (another reason I think it's dumb to hire an offensive coach right now). There are no top level RB's nor receivers. They could grab a left tackle but why draft one of those when none of your guys can throw? It's QB all the way.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 29, 2013, 05:46:34 AM
Notable Texas vs The Nation Weigh-Ins.  Including arms for TE/OL/DL because a long reach forces opposition back further and can play a role in determining NFL position.

QB Seth Doege (Texas Tech): 6'1 198 with 9 3/8ths hands
RB D.J. Harper (Boise State): 5'9 207 with 10 3/8ths hands
RB George Winn (Cincinnati): 5'11 218 with 10 1/8ths hands
WR DeVonte Christopher (Utah): 6'0 192 with 10 3/8ths hands
WR Taylor Stockemer (Arkansas State): 6'4 217 with 10 1/8ths hands
TE B.J. Stewart (Cumberland) 6'4 255 with 10 1/4ths hands and 34" arms
TE Marqueis Gray (Minnesota) 6'4 239 with 10 1/8ths hands and 33.5" arms
OT LaAdrian Waddle (Texas Tech) 6'6 324 with 36" arms
OT/OG Travis Bond (North Carolina) 6'6 336 with 34.75" arms
OG Lane Taylor (Oklahoma State) 6'3 326 with 32.25" arms
OG Oscar Johnson (Louisiana Tech) 6'5 339 with 33.75" arms
OG Elvis Fisher (Missouri) 6'5 291 with 33.75" arms
C Patrick Lewis (Texas A&M) 6'1 309 with 32.5" arms
DE Armonty Bryant (East Central Oklahoma) 6'4 262 with 35.5" arms
DE Collins Ukwu (Kentucky) 6'4 263 with 34 5/8ths arms
DE Tremayne Scott (Ohio) 6'3 259 with 34 7/8ths arms
DT Dequinta Jones (Arkansas) 6'4 308 with 34" arms
DT Stacy Magee (Oklahoma) 6'4 315 with 34 1/8" arms
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 31, 2013, 11:19:55 AM
HQ's Mock Draft 1.2 1 Round Special w/Trades
01: Kansas City - OT Luke Joeckel
02: Jacksonville - DE Bjoern Werner
03: Miami - DT Star Lotulelei *Trade Picks 12 & 54 to Oakland*
04: Philadelphia - QB Geno Smith
05: Detroit - LB Jarvis Jones
06: Cleveland - LB Barkevious Mingo
07: Arizona - QB Matt Barkley
08: Buffalo - QB Ryan Nassib
09: Cincinnati - DE Damontre Moore *Trade Picks 21 & 53 to New York Jets*
10: Tennessee - OT Eric Fisher
11: San Diego - CB Dee Milliner
12: Oakland - DT Sheldon Richardson
13: Tampa Bay - OG Chance Warmack
14: Carolina - OT Lane Johnson
15: New Orleans - DT John Jenkins
16: St. Louis - S Kenny Vaccaro
17: Pittsburgh - DT Jesse Williams
18: Dallas - DT Kawann Short
19: New York Giants - DE Ezekial Ansah
20: Chicago - LB Manti Te'o
21: New York Jets - LB Kevin Minter
22: New England - WR Keenan Allen *Trade Picks 29 & 91 to St. Louis Rams*
23: Minnesota - WR Cordarrelle Patterson
24: Indianapolis - LB Dion Jordan
25: Seattle - TE Zach Ertz
26: Green Bay - RB Eddie Lacy
27: Miami - WR Tavon Austin *Trade Picks 42 & 77 to Houston Texans*
28: Denver - CB Johnthan Banks
29: St. Louis - OT D.J. Fluker
30: Atlanta - DE Datone Jones
31: San Francisco - S Matt Elam
32: Jacksonville - QB Tyler Wilson *Trade Picks 33 & 5th Rounder to Baltimore Ravens*
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on January 31, 2013, 11:43:43 AM
After Jahvid Best and Ryan Broyles to a lesser extent, I don't think the Lions can afford to take a chance on Jones (spinal stenosis in his case).
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on January 31, 2013, 11:50:56 AM
After Jahvid Best and Ryan Broyles to a lesser extent, I don't think the Lions can afford to take a chance on Jones (spinal stenosis in his case).

Found this: http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/sports/2013-01-23/the-nfl-beat-spinal-stenosis/ (http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/sports/2013-01-23/the-nfl-beat-spinal-stenosis/)

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According to Dr. Hecht, players with spinal stenosis are at increased risk of stingers. However, they are also at risk for a more serious condition called cervical cord neuropraxia. Dr. Hecht had much to say about cervical cord neuropraxia, but the main distinguishing difference in this condition and a stinger is the presence of these symptoms in multiple limbs; both arms, both legs, or an arm and a leg.

With all this said, Dr. Hecht was extremely clear about one thing. "Congenital spinal stenosis is not a contraindication of playing football."

In other words, you can play with it. Nothing about spinal stenosis indicates that you can't.

In fact, research shows that players with spinal stenosis are at no greater risk of devastating spinal cord injury than any other player with a normal-sized spinal canal. This flies in the face of what one could logically expect, but it is indeed the case.

It means the same thing it meant for Michael Irvin, Sterling Sharpe, Marcus McNeill, and Chris Samuels. Pro Bowlers whose careers were ultimately cut short by the condition.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 05, 2013, 09:23:17 AM
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/02/05/barkley-says-shoulder-to-be-100-soon/ (http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/02/05/barkley-says-shoulder-to-be-100-soon/)

Barkley's shoulder is only just now getting back into throwing shape. This article speculates that he might not throw at the combine.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 07, 2013, 03:07:05 AM
Official NFL Combine List (http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list)

OL Terron Armstead out of Arkansas-Pine Bluff has been the big riser this offseason.  He likely will slide inside to OG but reportedly he has risen himself up to talks about going in the 2nd or 3rd Round.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 09, 2013, 12:49:16 AM
Players Who May Be Switched to OG Height, Weight, and Arm Length.  Longer Arms keep DEs off further away so they are key for OT.
Oday Aboushi (Virginia) 6'5 310 - 32 7/8"
Jordan Devey (Memphis) 6'6 316 - 32 3/4"
R.J. Dill (Rutgers) 6'6 316 - 33"
Garrett Gilkey (Chadron State) 6'6 314 - 31 3/4"
Tanner Hawkinson (Kansas) 6'5 304 - 33 1/4"
T.J. Johnson (South Carolina) 6'4 323 - 33" [Listed at C but could shift to OG]
Kyle Long (Oregon) 6'6 304 - 32 1/8"
Justin Pugh (Syracuse) 6'5 301 - 31 1/2" [Listed as Example of High Ranked OG]
Matt Stankiewitch (Penn State) 6'2 303 - 32 1/8" [Listed at C but could shift to OG]
Dallas Thomas (Tennessee) 6'5 308 - 32"
J.C. Tretter (Cornell) 6'4 302 - 32 1/4"
Larry Warford (Kentucky) 6'3 333 - 31 7/8" [Listed as Example of High Ranked OG]
Brian Winters (Kent State) 6'3 310 - 32"
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 10, 2013, 09:59:53 AM
Just re-watched Geno Smith of West Virginia and I'm now less sold that he's the #1 QB in this class.

01: He tends to throw high and force his receivers to jump for it.  He missed several simple HB screens throwing the ball too high for the HB.
02: He holds onto the ball, staring down receivers, and sometimes taking sacks as a result.  He'd also stare down a receiver and then throw in super tight coverage anyway for minimal gain.
03: I don't know if part of this was simply the design of the playcalling but he seemed to go short very often and when he did challenge downfield, it was usually into heavy coverage or very overthrown.  Reminded me of guys like Jason Campbell and Blaine Gabbert.

If I were a team, I'd rather wait on a QB like Ryan Nassib (late 1st Round), Mike Glennon (late 1st-2nd Round) or E.J. Manuel (late 2nd-3rd Round).
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 12, 2013, 11:50:15 PM
Big news for Jarvis Jones via Gil Brandt...

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Doctors give clear bill of health to Georgia LB Jarvis Jones. Med report will be sent to teams Thursday, should solidify top-10 pick.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 15, 2013, 04:52:41 AM
Dion Jordan looks like one of those guys who is going to dominate the league once he fills out. He's a serious athlete who hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential imo.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 15, 2013, 05:17:02 AM
Watching more footage, Harley is right about Jordan needing to figure out how to go inside. It was becoming apparent that tackles would block him the same way, pushing him as far out as they could. It's actually impressive that he was able to get the kind of pressure he did being such a one trick pony. Still, if he learns how to cut to the inside he could be beastly.

It's weird because he does make good moves on the inside on running plays, which is part of another reason I think he's going to be really good. He has a great nose for the ball in different situations, he always seems to try to make the right play. Watching him shed blockers to gang tackle someone running up the middle, or picking a man on the outside after a screen is a really good sign. With those football smarts and the physical freak he could become, his ceiling is p. high.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 21, 2013, 07:09:49 AM
Notable TE Weigh-Ins from the Combine...

Joseph Fauria (UCLA): 6'7 259
Nick Kasa (Colorado): 6'6 269
DC Jefferson (Rutgers): 6'6 255
Gavin Escobar (San Diego State): 6'6 254
Dion Sims (Michigan State): 6'5 262
Travis Kelce (Cincinnati): 6'5 255
Tyler Eifert (Notre Dame): 6'5 250
Zach Ertz (Stanford): 6'5 249
Vance McDonald (Rice): 6'4 267
Jake Stoneburner (Ohio State): 6'3 252

Possible FB/H-Backs
Chris Gragg (Arkansas): 6'3 244
Matt Furstenburg (Maryland): 6'3 242
Jordan Reed (Florida): 6'2 236
Ryan Otten (San Jose State): 6'5 230
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 21, 2013, 07:32:17 AM
OTs
Oday Aboushi (Virginia) 6'5 308 and 33 7/8
Terron Armstead (Arkansas Pine-Bluff) 6'5 306 and 34
Jeff Baca (UCLA) 6'3 302 and 34 1/4
Alvin Bailey (Arkansas) 6'3 312 and 34 3/4
David Bakhtiari (Colorado) 6'4 299 and 34
Nick Becton (Virginia Tech) 6'5 323 and 35 1/2
Travis Bond (North Carolina) 6'5 329 and 35 1/2
Braden Brown (BYU) 6'5 310 and 34 1/4
Chris Faulk (LSU) 6'5 331 and 34 1/4
Eric Fisher (Central Michigan) 6'7 306 and 34 1/2
D.J. Fluker (Alabama) 6'5 339 and 36 3/4
Rogers Gaines (Tennessee State) 6'6 334 and 36 1/4
Khaled Holmes (USC) 6'4 302 and 35
Mark Jackson (Glenville State) 6'5 328 and 34 1/4
Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M) 6'6 306 and 34 1/4
Lane Johnson (Oklahoma) 6'6 303 and 35 1/4
Oscar Johnson (Louisiana Tech) 6'5 331 and 34 1/4
Jamaal Johnson-Webb (Alabama A&M) 6'5 313 and 35 3/4
Barrett Jones (Alabama) 6'4 306 and 34 1/8
Jordan Mills (Louisiana Tech) 6'5 316 and 34
David Quessenberry (San Jose State) 6'5 302 and 34 3/8
Hugh Thornton (Illinois) 6'3 320 and 34 1/8
Ricky Wagner (Wisconsin) 6'6 308 and 34
Chance Warmack (Alabama) 6'2 317 and 34 3/4 (I know he's listed as the top OG but with that arm length, he could be tried at RT)
Earl Watford (James Madison) 6'3 300 and 34
John Wetzel (Boston College) 6'7 315 and 34
Brennan Williams (North Carolina) 6'6 318 and 34

OGs
Chris Barker (Nevada) 6'3 305 and 33
Jonathan Cooper (North Carolina) 6'2 311 and 33
Reid Fragel (Ohio State) 6'8 308 and 33
Travis Frederick (Wisconsin) 6'4 312 and 33
T.J. Johnson (South Carolina) 6'4 310 and 33 1/2
P.J. Lonergan (LSU) 6'3 304 and 33
Kyle Long (Oregon) 6'6 313 and 33
Xavier Nixon (Florida) 6'6 321 and 33 1/2
Justin Pugh (Syracuse) 6'4 307 and 32
Dallas Thomas (Tennessee) 6'5 306 and 33 1/8
J.C. Tretter (Cornell) 6'4 307 and 33 3/8
Larry Warford (Kentucky) 6'3 332 and 33 3/8
Brian Winters (Kent State) 6'4 320 and 32 3/4

Cs
Braxston Cave (Notre Dame) 6'3 303 and 32
Garrett Gilkey (Chadron State) 6'6 318 and 32 5/8
Tanner Hawkinson (Kansas) 6'5 298 and 33 3/8
Eric Herman (Ohio) 6'4 320 and 32 1/4
Joe Madsen (West Virginia) 6'3 310 and 30
Brian Schwenke (California) 6'3 314 and 32
Matt Stankiewich (Penn State) 6'3 302 and 32 1/2
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 22, 2013, 03:35:26 AM
More Combine Weigh-Ins...

Quarterbacks
Mike Glennon (NC State): 6'7 225
E.J. Manuel (Florida State): 6'5 237
Collin Klein (Kansas State): 6'5 226 *Will also try out possibly as WR and TE*
Brad Sorensen (Utah State): 6'4 229
Landry Jones (Oklahoma): 6'4 225
Sean Renfree (Duke): 6'3 219
Ryan Nassib (Syracuse): 6'2 227
Matt Barkley (USC): 6'2 227
Geno Smith (West Virginia): 6'2 218
Tyler Wilson (Arkansas): 6'2 215
Matt Scott (Arizona): 6'2 213

Running Backs
Le'Veon Bell (Michigan State): 6'1 230
Zach Line (SMU): 6'0 232
Matt Tucker (TCU): 6'0 221
Joseph Randle (Oklahoma State): 6'0 204
Eddie Lacy (Alabama): 5'11 231
Marcus Lattimore (South Carolina): 5'11 221
Cierre Wood (Notre Dame): 5'11 213
Mike Gillislee (Florida): 5'11 208
Knile Davis (Arkansas): 5'10 227
Mike James (Miami): 5'10 223
Christine Michael (Texas A&M): 5'10 220
George Winn (Cincinnati): 5'10 218
Montee Ball (Wisconsin): 5'10 214
Rex Burkhead (Nebraska): 5'10 214
Stephfon Jefferson (Nevada): 5'10 213
Johnathan Franklin (UCLA): 5'10 205
Theo Riddick (Notre Dame): 5'10 201
Stepfan Taylor (Stanford): 5'9 214
D.J. Harper (Boise State): 5'9 211
Miguel Maysonet (Stony Brook): 5'9 209
Andre Ellington (Clemson): 5'9 199
Ray Graham (Pittsburgh): 5'9 199
Kenjon Barner (Oregon): 5'9 196
Zac Stacy (Vanderbilt): 5'8 216
Montel Harris (Temple): 5'8 208
Giovani Bernard (North Carolina): 5'8 202

Fullbacks
Braden Wilson (Kansas State): 6'3 258
Tommy Bohanon (Wake Forest): 6'1 246
Zach Boren (Ohio State): 5'11 238

Wide Receivers
Tyrone Goard (Eastern Kentucky): 6'7 205
Brandon Kaufman (Eastern Washington): 6'5 216
Rodney Smith (Florida State): 6'4 225
Marlon Brown (Georgia): 6'4 213
Justin Hunter (Tennessee): 6'4 196
Marcus Davis (Virginia Tech): 6'3 233
Aaron Dobson (Marshall): 6'3 210
Marquess Wilson (Washington State): 6'3 194
Aaron Mellette (Elon): 6'2 217
Da'Rick Rogers (Tennessee Tech): 6'2 217
Cordarrelle Patterson (Tennessee): 6'2 216
Cobi Hamilton (Arkansas): 6'2 212
Terrance Williams (Baylor): 6'2 208
Keenan Allen (California): 6'2 206
Corey Fuller (Virginia Tech): 6'2 204
Chris Harper (Kansas State): 6'1 229
DeAndre Hopkins (Clemson): 6'1 214
Ryan Spadola (Lehigh): 6'1 204
Alec Lemon (Syracuse): 6'1 202
Ryan Swope (Texas A&M): 6'0 205
Quinton Patton (Louisiana Tech): 6'0 204
Robert Woods (USC): 6'0 201
Conner Vernon (Duke): 6'0 196
Kenny Stills (Oklahoma): 6'0 194
Tavarres King (Georgia): 6'0 189
T.J. Moe (Missouri): 5'11 204
Denard Robinson (Michigan): 5'11 199
Markus Wheaton (Oklahoma State): 5'11 189
Stedman Bailey (West Virginia): 5'10 193
Marquise Goodwin (Texas): 5'9 183
Darius Johnson (SMU): 5'9 179
Tavon Austin (West Virginia): 5'8 174
Ace Sanders (South Carolina): 5'7 173
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on February 22, 2013, 03:37:19 AM
Glennon is a tall lanky sonofabitch ain't he?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 22, 2013, 06:38:29 AM
Random Thoughts...

- A lot of OL who can be taken as RTs and/or shift inside to OG.  Warmack's gonna be a real interesting project IMO.
- The RB class is pretty deep with a lot of guys who have good, proper size to handle being full down backs at the NFL level.  The workouts will really separate out players.
- The WR class is similarly deep and one positive of the "spread" offenses is that WRs need size because they are often asked to block on the edge.  Again I think workouts will separate a lot of the cluster.  You also have a few TE convert projects as well.
- This QB class will provide an interesting split as it is nearly half with "ideal" size and nearly half measuring in around the common 6'2-6'3 height.
- FBs are pretty thin, as is usual, so I'll be curious to see which guys land on teams as an undrafted free agent.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 23, 2013, 06:02:01 AM
I'll be updating the first post later with players who boost their stock/dim their stock based on the workout performances.

The numbers don't mean a ton but they can cement a guy who's expected to go a specific round (Say Round 1) or drop them down 1-2 Rounds if they really underwhelm.

Some 2012 Stock Ups: QB Russell Wilson (3rd Round), RB David Wilson (1st Round), RB Vick Ballard (5th Round), WR Keshawn Martin (4th Round), WR T.J. Graham (3rd Round), DE/LB Bruce Irvin (1st Round), DE/DT Fletcher Cox (1st Round), LB Luke Kuechly (1st Round), CB Casey Hayward (2nd Round)

Some 2012 Stock Downs: QB Ryan Lindley (6th Round), RB Edwin Baker (7th Round), WR Juron Criner (5th Round), LB Sean Spence (3rd Round), CB Ryan Steed (UDFA), CB Robert Blanton (5th Round)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Broward on February 23, 2013, 06:41:12 AM
If we re-sign Barwin, we're not going OLB. ILB, T, or WR are where we look to be going. I think if the right NT is there, we might pick one up.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 23, 2013, 08:33:45 AM
Updated the first post with TEs/OL who boosted their stock (IMO).  I like comparing guys to the "elite" picks (who usually dominate athletically), especially at the skill positions.

This class is filled with a lot of solid, athletic OL so don't be surprised if some of the guys listed "fall" to the 3rd, 4th, or 5th rounds and end up being productive down the road.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 23, 2013, 09:14:22 AM
Saw a video on NFLN, can't remember the guy's name but an OL this year ran a 4.65 40, I think the fastest ever at the position.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Broward on February 23, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
That was unofficial. Official I think was 4.71.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on February 23, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
He was from Arkansas Pine-Bluff. Don't know his name either.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 23, 2013, 11:47:51 PM
His name was Terron Armstead.  He's completely exploded this offseason (dominated an all-star game, got a Combine invite, and blew this up).
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 24, 2013, 12:14:39 AM
We know Chip Kelly's possibly on the lookout for a mid-round QB.  Colby Cameron (Louisiana Tech) is an interesting prospect and just ran a 4.83 and 4.66 (unofficial) in the 40.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 24, 2013, 09:13:24 AM
Few notes

- Jarvis Jones had some terrible medical exams and his draft stock is dropping like a stone.

- Ryan Swope ran a 4.34 which is going to send him way up some draft boards.

- Star Lotulelei has a heart issue. Don't know how severe but I would assume that's him going top five as completely out of the question.

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In his Combine media interview, LSU DE Sam Montgomery admitted to betting in college and taking games -- not plays -- games off when the Tigers faced lesser opponents.
Montgomery's agent should have advised him before the Combine that saying things like this is not smart. At all. "Some weeks when we didn’t have to play the harder teams, there were some times when effort was not needed," Montgomery said. "But when we had the big boys coming in, the ‘Bamas or the South Carolinas, I grabbed close to those guys and went all out." Montgomery detailed "hundreds of dollars" in bets with teammate Barkevious Mingo, including one for $5,000 on which LSU defensive end will be drafted higher. We'd wager -- heavily -- that it won't be Montgomery. Draft insider Tony Pauline reported late Saturday that LSU's coaching staff has been "slamming" Montgomery to NFL teams.

And he's gonna fall as far as Jones.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Jaxxxson Mayhem on February 24, 2013, 09:15:39 AM
What an idiot.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on February 24, 2013, 09:39:31 AM
Probably not a great year to be a free agent WR.  This is a deep draft at WR it looks to me.  I see what people have fallen in love with Patterson about.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 24, 2013, 10:14:04 AM
Pleased to see several guys I liked (RB Christine Michael, RB Zac Stacy, and WR Tavarres King) pop athletically at the Combine to help their stock.

I didn't add 'obvious' guys like Tavon Austin, Marquise Goodwin, or Cordarelle Patterson because they were expected to flash.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on February 24, 2013, 10:16:25 AM
How far is Jarvis Jones expected to drop? Because if it's the second round, I'm hoping for a Dion Jordan/Jarvis Jones combo.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 24, 2013, 10:18:28 AM
How far is Jarvis Jones expected to drop? Because if it's the second round, I'm hoping for a Dion Jordan/Jarvis Jones combo.

Reportedly he's expected to drop like a stone much like DE Da'Quan Bowers did (from Top 5 to 2nd Round - 51st Overall).  I could see Jones falling to a similar place if enough teams are scared off to take him completely off their boards.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 24, 2013, 11:41:17 PM
Can we just um, start over on this entire defensive class?  DE Damontre Moore (according to one scout) is a mess off the field and put up only 12 bench reps.  12!  That's lower than some RBs and WRs, guys.  That definitely points to a questionable work ethic considering the small school guys were putting up 20+ despite not having near the same facilities to work with.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on February 25, 2013, 03:36:08 AM
I've never necessarily believed in the "low bench press=poor work ethic" narrative, but 12? Really? I wasn't all that high on Moore to begin with, and at this point, I'm looking for the Lions to go elsewhere with Werner, Ansah, or Jordan.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 25, 2013, 03:59:56 AM
Jordan has said he won't do the bench press though, and judging by his body type it's probably because he knows he wouldn't get many reps.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 25, 2013, 04:57:27 AM
I've never necessarily believed in the "low bench press=poor work ethic" narrative, but 12? Really? I wasn't all that high on Moore to begin with, and at this point, I'm looking for the Lions to go elsewhere with Werner, Ansah, or Jordan.

Agreed.  I don't necessarily believe that low bench presses point to a bad work ethic (although it's dependent on position.  A LB with 12 vs. a more common 18+ total is eyebrow raising) but it stood out more in addition to what the scout said.

Heavy rumblings that the Detroit Lions are targeting CB Dee Milliner and that if a team wants him, they'll have to trade ahead of Detroit.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on February 25, 2013, 06:20:44 AM
I can live with Milliner or a trade down. Milliner's not the flashiest prospect, but Detroit needs corner help badly, especially with Chris Houston not guaranteed to return. A darkhorse pick for the Lions could be the home-grown Eric Fisher (Joeckel won't make it to #5). They could keep Backus at left tackle for one more year (or he retires/gets cut), put Fisher at right tackle, and Riley Reiff at right guard. The oft-injured but still young Jason Fox is also waiting in the wings as a possible starting right tackle. Or, the Lions could take Barrett Jones near the top of the 2nd round.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on February 25, 2013, 06:42:35 AM
Te'o unofficially ran a 4.8. I'm not saying that he should drop like a rock now, but I've been saying for the longest that Te'o being hyped as a top-5 pick was crazy talk even before the imaginary girlfriend stuff.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on February 25, 2013, 07:59:43 AM
But Peter King said he's really awesome!
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Krankor on February 25, 2013, 08:47:56 AM
Te'o is more of a 2nd round talent IMO. I don't care what anyone says, he will get taunted heavily by some of the vets for the fake girlfriend thing. You want your ILB to usually be a defensive leader and it's going to take him some time to gain credibility in the eyes of his peers.

He could end up being a steal for some team in need of a ILB in Round 2, but I really don't think you can spend a first round pick on that guy.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on February 25, 2013, 07:43:12 PM
(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/736/harbaughhatesteo.gif)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/25/teo-blames-slow-40-time-on-combine-stress/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/25/teo-blames-slow-40-time-on-combine-stress/)

Welp, that's a wrap for him.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 25, 2013, 09:32:30 PM
The best part was in run #1 Harbaugh was like, 4.85.  2nd Run happens and he shakes his head and tells the guy next to him, 4.83.

This for a guy who some thought might run in the 4.60-4.70 range.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Damaramu on February 26, 2013, 12:02:29 AM
I caught a brief clip on Sportscenter of Todd McShay and someone else (some old guy) making excuses for Te'o and saying he'd do better on his pro-day and wow the scouts.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 26, 2013, 12:48:12 AM
His stock would have dropped regardless of the girlfriend thing. due to shitty performances under the national spotlight and a bad combine. But it'll be hilarious to see future stories about this bust have his failure attributed to the hoax.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on February 26, 2013, 01:28:16 AM
Guess we have our Al Davis prospect of the draft:

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Margus Hunt is 6-foot-8 and 277 pounds. He ran a 4.6 40. He bench pressed 225 pounds 38 times. He had a 38-inch vertical jump. Hunt went to SMU as a gold medalist in the shot put and discus at the 2006 World Junior Championships. Entering the combine, he was considered a low first-rounder or a second-round prospect. He had eight sacks and 11½ tackles behind the line of scrimmage. With an 82-inch wingspan, the sky is the limit for Hunt. Just pity the quarterback he is chasing.

(http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDHhJD1Y19SEQqa&w=720&h=790&url=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F5%2F54%2FMargusHunt.jpg%2F720px-MargusHunt.jpg)

And hey, he's white!
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on February 26, 2013, 02:47:12 AM
Updated the first post with guys who possibly boosted their stock a bit at the Combine among the DL/LB.  Guys listed as DE/LB flashed athleticism to convert while looking the size (240-265 range) of a LB.

Fun Fact: Manti Teo also had a Vert of 33" and Broad Jump of 9'5".  Not that impressive burst wise for a guy known for his instincts and going downhill.  Kevin Minter showed his explosion with a 9'11" Broad Jump.  Chase Thomas only had a Vert of 32" and a 9'5" Broad Jump as well.

Minter ran a 4.81 and Thomas ran a 4.91 so that raises questions about their sideline speed.

40 = Decent sideline speed diagnosis.  Vertical = Explosion out of their set stance (and hip bend for OL/DL).  Broad Jump = Explosion from their legs & ability to maintain balance.  3 Cone = Ability to change direction and maintain speed.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on February 26, 2013, 03:52:51 AM
Guess we have our Al Davis prospect of the draft:

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Margus Hunt is 6-foot-8 and 277 pounds. He ran a 4.6 40. He bench pressed 225 pounds 38 times. He had a 38-inch vertical jump. Hunt went to SMU as a gold medalist in the shot put and discus at the 2006 World Junior Championships. Entering the combine, he was considered a low first-rounder or a second-round prospect. He had eight sacks and 11½ tackles behind the line of scrimmage. With an 82-inch wingspan, the sky is the limit for Hunt. Just pity the quarterback he is chasing.

(http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDHhJD1Y19SEQqa&w=720&h=790&url=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F5%2F54%2FMargusHunt.jpg%2F720px-MargusHunt.jpg)

And hey, he's white!

Only thing better would be if his name was Magnus like one of those Strongman competitors.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Fökai on February 26, 2013, 06:35:59 AM
Not sure how Hunt will translate to the NFL as a d-end, but GODDAMN if he wasn't the scariest motherfucker on the field in the Hawai'i Bowl. Two forced fumbles, two sacks and a safety against a very stout Fresno O-line.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Krankor on February 26, 2013, 08:38:04 AM
Quote from: ProFootballTalk Story
“I was running near a 4.6, a 4.5,” Te’o told NFL Network after officially clocking a 4.82-second 40-yard dash. “Today was just a long, long day.”

Te’o called the Combine a “very exhausting process,” explaining that he got to bed late and got up early, with roughly four hours of sleep per night.

Of course, Te’o experienced plenty of mental stress, too. He met with 20 teams individually, and he endured a packed-house press conference on Saturday.

I believe not getting proper rest would be called not being prepared, which is an entirely new strike against Te'o. Everyone else at the combine faces the same atmosphere. I think Te'o is trying to drop his stock to late 2nd round now.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Bored on February 26, 2013, 12:16:42 PM
Not sure how Hunt will translate to the NFL as a d-end, but GODDAMN if he wasn't the scariest motherfucker on the field in the Hawai'i Bowl. Two forced fumbles, two sacks and a safety against a very stout Fresno O-line.

If anything he's the ultimate kick blocking specialist, he blocked 17 at SMU.

Somebody needs to shop John Harbaugh's reaction to Te'o into this Landry Jones running the 40 gif.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2225803/lolandry.gif)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Damaramu on February 26, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
It kind of looks painful to run like that. Landry wasn't ever known for his running ability......or calm in the face of pressure, or ability to feel pressure, or ability to evade pressure, or ability to not lock onto one receiver for long stretches......
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 27, 2013, 09:56:35 AM
Raiders are interested in Geno Smith with the #3 and cutting Palmer. Bummed out by that as I believe Pryor should get a chance first and we need D help more.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on February 27, 2013, 10:28:41 AM
If you're just going to cut Palmer anyway, they should try to poach a draft pick or a role player from Arizona. They'd bite
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 01, 2013, 12:16:56 AM
I really like Dion Jordan as a project, but as a top six pick? That is what I'm reading at multiple sites.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on March 01, 2013, 12:36:46 AM
I really like Dion Jordan as a project, but as a top six pick? That is what I'm reading at multiple sites.

I've read a few that have him going as high as #2 to the Jags. But I don't see the Jags passing on Geno Smith to take him. This draft class is so insane though it seems like the only thing anyone can say for certain is the Chefs will take an offensive tackle with the first pick.

Of course some have that flipping between Joeckel and Fisher but they agree, tackle will go first.

I don't know who is going where anymore, I can't see any damn pattern to this mess. Other than no one seems to be valuing any of these players much.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on March 01, 2013, 12:56:29 AM
Raiders are interested in Geno Smith with the #3 and cutting Palmer. Bummed out by that as I believe Pryor should get a chance first and we need D help more.

Pryor is horrible and I'm tired of watching other teams get franchise changing QBs, while we pick assholes like McThug.

Pryor isn't an NFL QB.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 01, 2013, 03:46:42 AM
LOL I missed those 'mad real' raider posts in the sports folder.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 02, 2013, 03:12:34 AM
RB Akeem Shavers of Purdue is the first guy to "pop" at his Pro Day.  He likely worked himself into a Priority UDFA or 7th Rounder after running an unofficial 4.35 (and 4.38) while putting up a 10'10" Broad Jump and 19 Bench Reps.

Pro Days don't make a huge difference for guys like Luke Joeckel or Dee Milliner (generally guys who are expected to go inside the Top 15) but they can boost a guy who was seen as a FA into the 6th-7th Round or vault a guy from the 6th-7th Round to the late 4th-5th Round instead.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 02, 2013, 11:27:03 AM
Harley Quinn's Mock Draft Version 1.3 Insanely HARD! I don't really feel comfortable with much of these picks but whatever.
01: Kansas City Chiefs - OT Luke Joeckel
02: Jacksonville Jaguars - DE Bjoern Werner
03: Oakland Raiders - DT Sharrif Floyd
04: Philadelphia Eagles - CB Dee Milliner
05: Detroit Lions - OT Eric Fisher
06: Cleveland Browns - QB Geno Smith
07: Arizona Cardinals - QB Matt Barkley
08: Buffalo Bills - DE Ezekial Ansah
09: New York Jets - OLB Barkevious Mingo
10: Tennessee Titans - OG Chance Warmack
11: San Diego Chargers - TE Tyler Eifert
12: Miami Dolphins - WR Cordarelle Patterson
13: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - CB Xavier Rhodes
14: Carolina Panthers - WR Keenan Allen
15: New Orleans Saints - DT Kawann Short
16: St. Louis Rams - OG Jonathan Cooper
17: Pittsburgh Steelers - CB Desmond Trufant
18: Dallas Cowboys - DT Sheldon Richardson
19: New York Giants - FS Kenny Vaccaro
20: Chicago Bears - WR Tavon Austin
21: Cincinnati Bengals - MLB Kevin Minter
22: St. Louis Rams - CB Johnthan Banks
23: Minnesota Vikings - WR Robert Woods
24: Indianapolis Colts - DE Alex Okafor
25: Seattle Seahawks - OLB Alec Ogletree
26: Green Bay Packers - RB Eddie Lacy
27: Houston Texans - CB Jamar Taylor
28: Denver Broncos - TE Zach Ertz
29: New England Patriots - WR Quinton Patton
30: Atlanta Falcons - DT Jesse Williams
31: San Francisco 49ers - WR DeAndre Hopkins
32: Baltimore Ravens - DT John Jenkins
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on March 02, 2013, 01:00:59 PM
That's a lot of wideouts going in the first considering there's only one or two with solid first round grades.  If there's a run on WRs like that, look for the Texans go that way instead of DB.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: pujoljunkie on March 02, 2013, 01:08:29 PM
Barkevious Mingo is the #1 guy I would like the Jets to completely avoid. This guy is Vernon Gholston 2.0.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on March 02, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
KC wasting the top pick on a tackle would be so KC like.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on March 02, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
I would LOVE to have Tavon Austin, but we've GOT to get the OL addressed. I'd be fine with trading up to get a guy like Warmack
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on March 02, 2013, 06:00:48 PM
With what you had going the picks before the Bills...I'm 100% certain they'd take Patterson there.  1000% even.

They need QB, 2 WR, 2 LB and a CB to come in and start with that 8 pick.  So start from there.



Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 02, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
The problem with a lot of these teams in trying to do up a Mock Draft is that it's really hard to tell which players are ascending, how far guys like Damontre Moore/Star Lotulelei/Manti Te'o fall (which will also impact 1st Round decisions), and where a player is likely to land.

I'm 95% certain that at least 4 WRs are going in the 1st Round (Patterson, Allen, Austin, probably Robert Woods).  Patton and Hopkins will be gone by the early 2nd Round at the latest I think and both of those guys could sneak into the late 1st Round.

Upon re-looking at the mock draft, OT D.J. Fluker probably goes somewhere given his ascension (maybe Chicago at 20?).  LB Kevin Minter could go as early as the NY Jets at #9 or fall to the 20's.

The only thing I'd probably change in my next Mock will be the CBs but again, it's nearly impossible to try and figure out which "2nd Round" talent has ascended enough to move into the 1st Round.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 03, 2013, 07:13:41 AM
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She looks like the kind of girl that BZ would crush on and put in his av.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on March 03, 2013, 07:16:32 AM
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Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 05, 2013, 09:43:03 AM
Quote
"Our locker room is full of clowns and, oh man, people would kill him," Smith said on NBC Sports Network's "Pro Football Talk." "I mean, he would be the butt of every joke for at least two, three years."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000147112/article/manti-teo-would-be-a-joke-target-on-houston-texans (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000147112/article/manti-teo-would-be-a-joke-target-on-houston-texans)

lol awesome
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on March 05, 2013, 10:38:16 AM
Two years of jokes just for playing at Notre Dame is a little harsh
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on March 05, 2013, 10:44:34 AM
That offensive lineman that ran a faster 40 than Jerry Rice and Anquan Bolden is gonna be converted into a tight end... right?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 05, 2013, 12:10:00 PM
Quote
"Our locker room is full of clowns and, oh man, people would kill him," Smith said on NBC Sports Network's "Pro Football Talk." "I mean, he would be the butt of every joke for at least two, three years."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000147112/article/manti-teo-would-be-a-joke-target-on-houston-texans (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000147112/article/manti-teo-would-be-a-joke-target-on-houston-texans)

lol awesome


This is probably the case for more than half the locker rooms in the league. The other half would probably become this way if their team drafted Te'o. Nobody has a good reason to pick this guy.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 07, 2013, 02:34:19 AM
Updated the Pro Days.  Some small school names getting out there and some guys being worked at multiple positions (which can help their late round stock).
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 09, 2013, 11:40:36 PM
Terrell Sinkfield finished with official times of 4.33, 4.36, and 4.38 for those interested (he was the guy who ran a 4.19 unofficial).  He also had a 40.5" Vertical and 11'5" Broad Jump.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on March 15, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
How much stock do you put in Pro Days? Geno Smith completes 60-64 passes and all of a sudden, he's back in the conversation for the #1 overall pick. This happens every year. QB's complete 90-something percent of their passes in controlled environments with familiar targets. Backs and receivers 40 times miraculously drop two-tenths after running on fast tracks with hand timers (see: Mr. 4.19 40 up above). I put more weight into the actual Combine, which of course not everyone is invited to, but most of the top prospects are.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 15, 2013, 02:11:02 AM
How much stock do you put in Pro Days? Geno Smith completes 60-64 passes and all of a sudden, he's back in the conversation for the #1 overall pick. This happens every year. QB's complete 90-something percent of their passes in controlled environments with familiar targets. Backs and receivers 40 times miraculously drop two-tenths after running on fast tracks with hand timers (see: Mr. 4.19 40 up above). I put more weight into the actual Combine, which of course not everyone is invited to, but most of the top prospects are.

I don't put much stock in the "performances" for most 1st Round-3rd Round projected players.

Pro Days can be important/key for the 4th-7th Round/UDFA guys though and those are the guys I usually pay attention too much more.  A lot of those guys don't get NFL Combine invites for whatever reason but if they have good Pro Days, can generally turn themselves into solid ST depth at the very least.

Those guys are also the ones who might flash athleticism to project to the NFL but came from small schools, didn't produce much in college, or simply got overlooked for other reasons.  Also allows for teams to work guys out at multiple positions to increase their visibility.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 21, 2013, 01:13:20 AM
Updated the first post with more impacting Pro Days.  I'll probably update it after the Draft/UDFAs sign to see what the impact was for when we look back at these threads.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 22, 2013, 03:04:47 AM
Updated my QB Rankings.  Note: These aren't projections but rather how I'd rank them on pure talent level.

- Ryan Nassib takes over the #1 Spot.
- Tyler Wilson plummets.  I just can't shake the feeling he's another Jason Campbell.
- Tyler Bray rises a bit, mostly due to the fact that he has one of the stronger arms in the class.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 22, 2013, 04:24:36 AM
Glad to see you like Nassib. I said I thought he was gonna be better than Geno too. I don't give a shit about "value", I know the Bills will pick a QB and considering who the coach is, I hope they pick the right one.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 23, 2013, 05:46:12 AM
Ranked the RBs again.  Some of the lower names will be better fits in ZBS too.

- Mike Gillislee = SPEED.  Reminded me a bit of watching C.J. Spiller when he came out of college. 
- A lot of guys I originally was down on (Stepfan Taylor, Rex Burkhead) flashed more speed than I remembered and showed an ability to "finish" with the big run.
- I like Eddie Lacy but I'm just getting a gut feeling that he'll be way overdrafted.  He just screams "product" of the system like the old Wisconsin big back types.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on March 23, 2013, 06:25:28 AM
As much as the Aggies are my team, I have a feeling Michael may fall in the draft.  He has all the measureables, but he couldn't even be the featured back at A&M, has a bit of a history with injuries, and missed interviews at the combine due to oversleeping, a sign of immaturity that certainly won't go over well with GMs and coaches.

Now watch the Raiders take him in the second round.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 23, 2013, 07:11:48 AM
As much as the Aggies are my team, I have a feeling Michael may fall in the draft.  He has all the measureables, but he couldn't even be the featured back at A&M, has a bit of a history with injuries, and missed interviews at the combine due to oversleeping, a sign of immaturity that certainly won't go over well with GMs and coaches.

Now watch the Raiders take him in the second round.

Yeah, the guy has all the talent in the world.  He's pretty much expected to go Round 4 or later but a team may decide he's worth the risk in R2/R3.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 24, 2013, 05:03:36 AM
Finished ranking the WRs.  Lots of guys moved up or down and new guys got added to the list.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 25, 2013, 07:20:27 AM
Comments for various selections at the end.

HQ Mock Draft Version 1.4
01: Kansas City - OT Eric Fisher [Central Michigan]
02: Jacksonville - CB Dee Milliner [Alabama]
03: Oakland - DT Sharrif Floyd [Florida]
04: Philadelphia - OLB Dion Jordan [Oregon]
05: Detroit - OT Luke Joeckel [Texas A&M]
06: Cleveland - OLB Barkevious Mingo [LSU]
07: Arizona - QB Geno Smith [West Virginia]
08: Buffalo - QB Matt Barkley [USC]
09: NY Jets - OLB Jarvis Jones [Georgia]
10: Tennessee - DE Bjoern Werner [Florida State]
11: San Diego - RB Eddie Lacy [Alabama]
12: Miami - OT Lane Johnson [Oklahoma]
13: Tampa Bay - WR Cordarrelle Patterson [Tennessee]
14: Carolina - WR Tavon Austin [West Virginia]
15: New Orleans - OG Chance Warmack [Alabama]
16: St. Louis - DE Datone Jones [UCLA]
17: Pittsburgh - DT John Jenkins [Georgia]
18: Dallas - FS Kenny Vaccaro [Texas]
19: NY Giants - DE Ezekial Ansah [BYU]
20: Chicago - OT D.J. Fluker [Alabama]
21: Cincinnati - OLB Alec Ogletree [Georgia]
22: St. Louis - WR Keenan Allen [California]
23: Minnesota - CB Xavier Rhodes [Florida State]
24: Indianapolis - DT Johnathan Hankins [Ohio State]
25: Minnesota - WR Robert Woods [USC]
26: Green Bay - TE Tyler Eifert [Notre Dame]
27: Houston - WR DeAndre Hopkins [Clemson]
28: Denver - CB Desmond Trufant [Washington]
29: New England - DT Sheldon Richardson [Missouri]
30: Atlanta - OLB Arthur Brown [Kansas State]
31: San Francisco - SS Matt Elam [Florida]
32: Baltimore - FS Eric Reid [LSU]

- Cleveland is transitioning to a 3-4 and Mingo will give them an immediate pass rush threat off the edge.  They can hold off until R2/trade up into late R1 if they need their QB.
- Tennessee needs some pass rush help and DE Bjoern Werner would represent great value.  Pure speed and will remind fans of Kevin Carter.
- San Diego has a new coaching staff and RB Ryan Mathews is unproven/gets dinged up.  Eddie Lacy provides a great power option to Mathews/Danny Woodhead.
- Miami decides to try and keep Ryan Tannehill upright with somebody who can replace Jake Long and is used to an up-tempo pass heavy system at Oklahoma.
- TB and Carolina need playmakers at WR so New Orleans is ecstatic to finally find a replacement for Carl Nicks inside at OG.  Also helps improve their inside running game immediately.
- Indianapolis needs a pure NT and Hankins has the size and ability to fill that role for them.
- Green Bay goes for the best receiving TE in this class while questions swirl regarding Jermichael Finley.  At best, they can utilize 2 TE sets and at worst, he can replace Finley down the road.
- New England was eyeing WRs but decide to wait until R2 and opt for DT Sheldon Richardson.  He can play inside at DT and outside as a Nickel DE on passing downs.  Offers versatility and youth on the interior.
- SF and Baltimore both go the Safety route.  San Fran gets the best SS in the class and an absolute thumper in the mold of Steve Atwater.  Baltimore gets a replacement for Ed Reed who has experience covering and playing the run.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on March 25, 2013, 08:34:39 AM
Man, if Hopkins falls to the Texans AND THEY TAKE HIM, I will be SOOOO happy.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 30, 2013, 08:05:22 AM
Found an AMAZING game: http://www.first-pick.com/

Essentially an NFL Draft Simulator in which you select a team and promptly deal down, select, etc. and get scored.  Some of the picks/falls are "wonky" to say the least but still neat to do.

New England Patriots Simulator
- Traded 1x29 to Jacksonville for 2x1 and 3x2 [Jags took DE Damontre Moore]
- Traded 2x1 to Philadelphia for 2x3, 4x4, and 5x3 [Eagles traded to Cardinals for 2x6 and 3x7]
- Traded 2x27 to Oakland for 3x4, 4x3, and 6x4 [Raiders took CB Darius Slay]
- Traded 3x4 to Miami for 3x15 and 3x28 [Dolphins took FS Phillip Thomas]
- Traded 3x28 to San Francisco for 3x31 and 4x31 [49ers took QB Ryan Nassib]
- Traded 4x4 to Tampa Bay for 4x15 and 4x29 [Buccaneers took OLB Jamie Collins]
- Traded 6x4 to Seattle for 6x26 and 6x27 [Seahawks traded 6x4 and 7x8 to Browns for 6x5 and 6x23]

Your Picks
Round 2 Pick 3 (PHI): Jonathan Cyprien, SS, Florida International (A)
Round 3 Pick 2 (JAX): Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 15 (MIA): Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia (D+)
Round 3 Pick 29: Nickell Robey, CB, Southern California (A-) *Would slide in at Nickel CB*
Round 3 Pick 31 (S.F.): Jordan Hill, DT, Penn State (A) *Could play DT in a 4-3 and DE in a 3-4*
Round 4 Pick 3 (OAK): Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina (B)
Round 4 Pick 15 (T.B.): Kevin Reddick, ILB, North Carolina (A)
Round 4 Pick 29 (T.B.): Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech (B+)
Round 4 Pick 31 (S.F.): Steve Williams, CB, California (A)
Round 5 Pick 3 (PHI): Brennan Williams, OT, North Carolina (B)
Round 6 Pick 26 (SEA): D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston (A)
Round 6 Pick 27 (HOU): Zach Boren, FB, Ohio State (A)
Round 7 Pick 20: Abry Jones, DT, Georgia (A)
Round 7 Pick 29: Kayvon Webster, CB, South Florida (A)

Your score is: 3788 (Drafting Ability: A-, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A) *Finished 7th Among Teams in Draft*

Notes: Traded down a lot, probably more than irl.  Also targeted "injured" players who represented great values ala Lattimore and Brennan Williams.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kinsey on March 30, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
Love this game. HQ, give me feedback on my Ravens draft

Round 2 Pick 6 (ARI): Arthur Brown, OLB, Kansas State (B)
Round 2 Pick 30: Barrett Jones, C, Alabama (A-)
Round 3 Pick 7 (ARI): Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois (A)
Round 3 Pick 32: A.J. Klein, ILB, Iowa State (A-)
Round 4 Pick 32: D.J. Swearinger, FS, South Carolina (A)
Round 4 Pick 33 (COMP): Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Anthony McCloud, DT, Florida State (A-)
Round 5 Pick 35 (COMP): Braden Brown, OT, Brigham Young (A)
Round 6 Pick 31: Dennis Johnson, RB, Arkansas (D-)
Round 6 Pick 32: Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina (A)
Round 6 Pick 35 (COMP): Chris Gragg, TE, Arkansas (A)
Round 7 Pick 32: Bruce Taylor, ILB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 7 Pick 41 (COMP): Brad Sorensen, QB, Southern Utah (A)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on March 30, 2013, 10:06:35 AM
I traded down from 27 then traded down again to get some picks in the earlier round, then actually tried to draft for need for the first 3 or 4 rounds, then just started to take BPA until round 7 when I wanted to finally get my fullback (which gave me an F for some reason).  I thought I would score better, but oh well.

On the other hand, with this many young cheap guys the Texans could afford to cut some of the more expensive vets, freeing up cap space to sign Watt and Cushing long term.  Wheels within wheels people.

Your score is: 3155 (Drafting Ability: C+, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 32 (BALT): DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson (B-)
Round 2 Pick 25: Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State (C-)
Round 2 Pick 27 (N.E.): Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 28 (ATL): Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 30 (BALT): Justin Pugh, OG, Syracuse (C-)
Round 3 Pick 27: Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina (B-)
Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Zac Dysert, QB, Miami (Ohio) (C+)
Round 4 Pick 27: Earl Watford, OG, James Madison (D)
Round 4 Pick 32 (BALT): A.J. Klein, ILB, Iowa State (A)
Round 5 Pick 27: Adrian Bushell, CB, Louisville (A)
Round 6 Pick 27: Brad Wing, P, LSU (A)
Round 6 Pick 33 (COMP): Rontez Miles, FS, California (PA) (A)
Round 7 Pick 27: Taimi Tutogi, FB, Arizona (F)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Bored on March 30, 2013, 10:18:49 AM
I didn't bother doing trades although the 49ers are definitely not making 14 picks in this draft.

Your score is: 3979 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 31: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 2: Eric Reid, FS, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 29: Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford (B+)
Round 3 Pick 12: Barrett Jones, C, Alabama (A)
Round 3 Pick 31: Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers (A)
Round 4 Pick 31: EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State (A)
Round 4 Pick 34 (COMP): Zaviar Gooden, OLB, Missouri (A-)
Round 5 Pick 24: Kevin Reddick, ILB, North Carolina (A)
Round 5 Pick 31: Kenny Stills, WR, Oklahoma (B+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Chris Harper, WR, Kansas State (B+)
Round 7 Pick 21: Luke Marquardt, OT, Azusa Pacific (A)
Round 7 Pick 31: Travis Howard, CB, Ohio State (A)
Round 7 Pick 40 (COMP): Nicholas Williams, DT, Samford (A)
Round 7 Pick 46 (COMP): Joseph Fauria, TE, UCLA (A)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kinsey on March 30, 2013, 10:20:11 AM
Took over the blackhole that is Oakland with two goals: Gain more picks and stock up that dismal defense. I think I did pretty well, and ended up with the Viking's 2014 1st rounder.


Round 1 Pick 25 (MINN): Alec Ogletree, OLB, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 10 (MIA): Alex Okafor, DE, Texas (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22 (MIA): Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson (B+)
Round 3 Pick 12 (S.F.): B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary (B+)
Round 3 Pick 31 (S.F.): A.J. Klein, ILB, Iowa State (A-)
Round 4 Pick 3: Bennie Logan, DT, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 14 (MIA): EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State (B+)
Round 6 Pick 4: Anthony McCloud, DT, Florida State (A)
Round 6 Pick 37 (COMP): Ace Sanders, WR, South Carolina (A)
Round 7 Pick 7 (MINN): Brad Wing, P, LSU (A)
Round 7 Pick 13: Chris Gragg, TE, Arkansas (A)
Round 7 Pick 23 (MINN): Emmett Cleary, OT, Boston College (A)
Round 7 Pick 25 (MINN): Branden Smith, CB, Georgia (A)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 30, 2013, 10:32:33 AM
My Oakland

Not a big Dion Jordan fan but the value is there in trading down and getting him.

Your score is: 3571 (Drafting Ability: B, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Round 1 Pick 10 (TENN): Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon (A-)
Round 2 Pick 3 (PHI): Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 10 (MIA): David Amerson, CB, North Carolina State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 22 (MIA): Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (B+)
Round 3 Pick 4: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor (A)
Round 4 Pick 8 (BUF): D.J. Swearinger, FS, South Carolina (B)
Round 5 Pick 13 (MIA): Xavier Nixon, OT, Florida (A)
Round 6 Pick 4: Jake Stoneburner, TE, Ohio State (B)
Round 6 Pick 37 (COMP): Josh Boyd, DT, Mississippi State (A)
Round 7 Pick 3: Michael Ford, RB, LSU (D)
Round 7 Pick 11 (MIA): Braden Hansen, OG, Brigham Young (B)
Round 7 Pick 13: Rod Sweeting, CB, Georgia Tech (A)
Round 7 Pick 18 (MIA): Bruce Taylor, ILB, Virginia Tech (A)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 30, 2013, 10:46:26 AM
Cleveland Browns Simulation - 27 PICKS including a Future 1st from Oakland

2x29: DT John Jenkins [Georgia]
3x06: ILB Nico Johnson [Alabama]
3x14: SS Shamarko Thomas [Syracuse]
3x17: OLB Jamie Collins [Southern Miss]
3x22: TE Vance McDonald [Rice]
3x25: WR Da'Rick Rogers [Tennessee Tech]
4x07: RB Christine Michael [Texas A&M]
4x16: OLB David Bass [Missouri Western State]
4x20: RB Mike Gillislee [Florida]
4x21: CB Steve Williams [California]
4x31: QB E.J. Manuel [Florida State]
4x32: OT Chris Faulk [LSU]
5x07: FS Bradley McDougald [Kansas]
5x13: OG Earl Watford [James Madison]
5x16: DT Kwame Geathers [Georgia]
5x20: OLB Gerald Hodges [Penn State]
5x24: WR Denard Robinson [Michigan]
5x31: ILB Steve Baeuharnais [Rutgers]
5x32: OLB Michael Buchanan [Illinois]
6x05: OT Brennan Williams [North Carolina]
6x07: WR Cobi Hamilton [Arkansas]
6x16: CB D.J. Hayden [Houston]
6x22: P Brad Wing [LSU]
6x31: DT Josh Boyd [Mississippi State]
6x32: TE Jake Stoneburner [Ohio State]
7x02: K Brett Maher [Nebraska]
7x17: C P.J. Lonergan [LSU]
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 30, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
There were a ton of trades, which is why I ended up with so many picks. I don't care what scores or grades they gave, if the Bills had a draft like that, I'd cream my pants.

Your score is: 3632 (Drafting Ability: B+, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 11 (S.D.): Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia (A)
Round 2 Pick 9: Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama (C)
Round 2 Pick 13 (S.D.): Cornellius Carradine, DE, Florida State (C+)
Round 2 Pick 23 (G.B.): Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State (C-)
Round 3 Pick 12 (S.F.): Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech (C-)
Round 3 Pick 26 (G.B.): Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina (A)
Round 4 Pick 8: Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford (D+)
Round 4 Pick 25 (G.B.): Nickell Robey, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 4 Pick 31 (S.F.): Jordan Mills, OT, Louisiana Tech (A-)
Round 5 Pick 10: Zach Line, FB, Southern Methodist (C)
Round 5 Pick 31 (S.F.): Steve Beauharnais, ILB, Rutgers (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13 (T.B.): Ryan Otten, TE, San Jose State (A)
Round 6 Pick 21 (MINN): Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa (A)
Round 6 Pick 28 (T.B.): Shawn Williams, SS, Georgia (A)
Round 7 Pick 7 (MINN): Dustin Hopkins, K, Florida State (A)
Round 7 Pick 12 (T.B.): Rogers Gaines, OT, Tennessee State (A)
Round 7 Pick 23 (MINN): Rod Sweeting, CB, Georgia Tech (A)
Round 7 Pick 25 (MINN): Zac Stacy, RB, Vanderbilt (A)

Nico Johnson was an accident, I didn't mean to select him.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 30, 2013, 10:59:48 AM
I mean we got GENO
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: grapeswasmurdered on March 30, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
Your score is: 3620 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality A-, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Alec Ogletree, OLB, Georgia (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois (A-)
Round 3 Pick 34 (COMP): Bennie Logan, DT, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 2: Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina (B)
Round 5 Pick 1: Xavier Nixon, OT, Florida (B+)
Round 6 Pick 2: Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon (A-)
Round 6 Pick 36 (COMP): Marc Anthony, CB, California (A)
Round 7 Pick 1: Brandan Bishop, FS, North Carolina State (A)

Your Future Picks:
2014 Round 1 Pick
2015 Round 1 Pick

I just randomly picked names I have no idea who these people are.

I liked all these names basically so that's why I took them Ogletree! AKEEM! Bennie (and the jets)! Devin (had a friend named that), Xavier Nixon! Kenjon (lol), Marc Anthony!, Brandon Bishop (solid name)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on March 30, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
Lions

Round 1 Pick 8 (BUF): Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 4: D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama (C+)
Round 2 Pick 9 (BUF): Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist (B-)
Round 3 Pick 5 (PHI): Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia (D+)
Round 3 Pick 11 (T.B.): Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia (B+)
Round 4 Pick 4 (PHI): Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 7 (CLE): Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State (B)
Round 4 Pick 15 (T.B.): Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina (B+)
Round 4 Pick 35 (COMP): Blaize Foltz, OG, TCU (D-)
Round 5 Pick 4: Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State (B+)
Round 6 Pick 3: Brad Wing, P, LSU (A-)
Round 6 Pick 5 (CLE): William Gholston, DE, Michigan State (A)
Round 7 Pick 5: Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida (A)
Round 7 Pick 39 (COMP): Dax Swanson, CB, Sam Houston State (A)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: oldskool on March 30, 2013, 12:05:01 PM
First time through, Jacksonville traded a first, second & third to move up to #1 to get Mingo. Accuracy in question.
Jets traded the same to Detroit @ #5 to get Geno Smith. Logic unquestionable.

E:
Panthers
Your score is: 2957 (Drafting Ability: C, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 10 (MIA): Cornellius Carradine, DE, Florida State (C+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Arthur Brown, OLB, Kansas State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17 (NYG): Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech (D)
Round 2 Pick 23 (G.B.): John Jenkins, DT, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 28 (ATL): Barrett Jones, C, Alabama (A-)
Round 3 Pick 9 (BUF): Brennan Williams, OT, North Carolina (D+)
Round 3 Pick 17 (PITT): Brandon McGee, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 29 (N.E.): William Gholston, DE, Michigan State (D+)
Round 4 Pick 8 (BUF): Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia (A)
Round 4 Pick 12 (N.O.): Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas (B-)
Round 4 Pick 14 (MIA): Bennie Logan, DT, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 18 (PITT): Marc Anthony, CB, California (B-)
Round 5 Pick 10 (BUF): Denard Robinson, WR, Michigan (D)
Round 5 Pick 13 (MIA): Brad Wing, P, LSU (B-)
Round 5 Pick 15: Lonnie Pryor, FB, Florida State (B+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Gerald Hodges, OLB, Penn State (B-)
Round 7 Pick 15 (S.D.): Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas (C+)
Round 7 Pick 18 (MIA): Brett Maher, K, Nebraska (A)

Your Future Picks:
2014 Round 1 Pick
2015 Round 1 Pick
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 31, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
Updated the first post with more guys impressing at their Pro Day workouts.  Next week is the final week for guys Pro Day wise.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on March 31, 2013, 08:47:29 AM
Philadelphia Eagles

Your score is: 3741 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Round 1 Pick 4: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M (A)
Round 2 Pick 4 (DET): Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 3 (DET): Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (A)
Round 3 Pick 5: Jonathan Cyprien, SS, Florida International (A)
Round 4 Pick 4: Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia (A)
Round 5 Pick 3: Kenny Stills, WR, Oklahoma (C)
Round 7 Pick 4: Rod Sweeting, CB, Georgia Tech (A)
Round 7 Pick 6: Etienne Sabino, OLB, Ohio State (A)
Round 7 Pick 33 (COMP): Bruce Taylor, ILB, Virginia Tech (A)


Tried to stick to some Chip principles as best as possible.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on March 31, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
Rolled with the Arizona Cardinals.  Tried to keep it realistic (namely 7-10 picks).

Your score is: 2785 (Drafting Ability: C, Player Quality A-, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 8 (BUF): Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (C-)
Round 2 Pick 6: Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist (B-)
Round 2 Pick 9 (BUF): Brian Winters, OG, Kent State (D)
Round 3 Pick 7: Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina (C)
Round 4 Pick 6: B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary (A)
Round 5 Pick 7: Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia (A)
Round 6 Pick 6: Gerald Hodges, OLB, Penn State (C+)
Round 6 Pick 10 (NYJ): Ryan Otten, TE, San Jose State (A)
Round 7 Pick 9 (NYJ): Brett Maher, K, Nebraska (A)

Realistically, this would be an incredible draft.  Brian Winters would be the only "reach" but he'd help their interior.  OT Oday Aboushi could be a Marcus Cannon-like steal on Draft Day.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on March 31, 2013, 09:46:29 AM
BEARS

Your score is: 3794 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality B, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20: Chance Warmack,OG,Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Barrett Jones,C,Alabama (B+)
Round 3 Pick 22 (CINN): Menelik Watson,OT,Florida State (B)
Round 4 Pick 20: EJ Manuel,QB,Florida State (A-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Kevin Reddick,ILB,North Carolina (A)
Round 6 Pick 20: D.J. Hayden,CB,Houston (A)

I would cum an ocean if this happened irl.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on March 31, 2013, 12:58:49 PM
I know this board has been DRAFT CRAZY for the past little bit, but I think that's because we're all excited about the ultimate draft coming up. Maybe we should do a TRTSM 2013 NFL Mock Draft.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on March 31, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
MAYBE WE SHOULD
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Broward on March 31, 2013, 04:21:32 PM
Your score is: 2916 (Drafting Ability: C+, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 32 (BALT): DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson (B)
Round 2 Pick 25: Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State (C-)
Round 2 Pick 30 (BALT): Brandon McGee, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
Round 3 Pick 27: Everett Dawkins, DT, Florida State (C+)
Round 3 Pick 33 (COMP): Justin Pugh, OG, Syracuse (B-)
Round 4 Pick 27: Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas (B+)
Round 5 Pick 27: Jordan Rodgers, QB, Vanderbilt (D-)
Round 6 Pick 27: D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston (A)
Round 6 Pick 33 (COMP): Jake Stoneburner, TE, Ohio State (A)
Round 7 Pick 27: Emmett Cleary, OT, Boston College (A)

Your Future Picks:
2014 Round 1 Pick
2015 Round 1 Pick
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 01, 2013, 06:33:54 AM
- As we (DraftInsider.net) reported on twitter last week, teams around the league have first round grades on approximately 15 players (give or take a few) and have stamped as many as 60 players second round grades.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 07, 2013, 01:22:27 AM
Updated my QB Rankings.  Lots of shifting around and a new #1.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 07, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Re-ranked the RBs as well and included their potential roles at the NFL Level.

I officially am on the Stepfan Taylor train by the way.  CHOO CHOO!
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 07, 2013, 12:29:06 PM
SB Nation has DeAndre Hopkins at number one, and people are talking about him as the guy who is the most sure thing at a position known for headcases. They crazy or have you just not looked at him enough to put him higher than 13 other guys?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 07, 2013, 02:36:45 PM
A world class athlete who has never played football and turned down an opportunity at Oxford is probably getting drafted:

http://fansided.com/2013/04/07/nfl-regional-combine-lawrence-okoye-british-discus-throw-puts-on-a-show/

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Okoye measured in at 6-foot-5 3/8 and 304 pounds. If his size wasn’t impressive enough, he looked incredible during drills and recorded some unbelievable times.

He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.88 and 4.78 seconds, performed the short shuttle in 4.38 seconds, had a 10-foot-5 broad jump and a 35-inch vertical jump.

At the 2013 NFL Scouting Combine, only five defensive linemen ran a quicker time. To make matters even more impressive, the records show that none of those defensive linemen weighted more than 277-pounds. For a man of Okoye’s size his numbers were incredible.

"I've always been a huge NFL fan for as long as I can remember. Whenever I've arrived in the States the customs officers always ask me who I play for,” Okoye told the Daily Mail. “I want to give this my best shot. It's a rare life opportunity.”

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/21/article-2177039-140DBC59000005DC-515_306x423.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 08, 2013, 12:17:14 AM
SB Nation has DeAndre Hopkins at number one, and people are talking about him as the guy who is the most sure thing at a position known for headcases. They crazy or have you just not looked at him enough to put him higher than 13 other guys?

I'll be doing my WR rankings again soon.  Judging by how the QB/RB rankings shifted, he'll probably move up a bit.  From what I saw, he was more Brandon Marshall though and I'm prone to preferring players who can make plays after the catch/have some athleticism to their game.

Not that being Brandon Marshall is bad but Marshall has usually averaged 11-12 YPR with some years bumping around 13.

Marvin Jones was a guy last year who I thought was a 6th/7th Rounder (he went in the 5th Round) and a possession guy mainly despite his size and ability.  He averaged just 11.2 YPR on 18 catches for Cincinnati as a rookie.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 08, 2013, 02:10:29 AM
Updated my WR Rankings.

- I'd personally take guys like Bailey and King over Hopkins.  Hopkins' greatest strength is that he attacks the ball but he's a notch below guys like A.J. Green, Andre Johnson, etc.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Damaramu on April 08, 2013, 04:15:00 AM
Why is Kiper suddenly pimping T'eo so hard? I thought he wasn't a first round pick but Kiper is acting like he is.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 08, 2013, 04:30:38 AM
Because his job is to sell stars so people watch the show...and none of the qbs are stars
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 08, 2013, 04:32:33 AM
Why is Kiper suddenly pimping T'eo so hard? I thought he wasn't a first round pick but Kiper is acting like he is.

That and Kiper is mandated to go out on limbs and push the guys he likes, regardless of their true quality or anything like that.

See: QB Jimmy Clausen when he fell to the 2nd Round.

Kiper & McShay Accuracy 2006-2010 (http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/equally-inaccurate-an-analysis-of-mel-kiper-jr-and-todd-mcshays-draft-rankings/)

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In fact, the average errors listed above suggest that the gurus’ rankings are off by around 35 spots when compared to the player’s actual performance.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 08, 2013, 07:13:43 AM
Harley Quinn's Mock Draft 1.4
01: Kansas City Chiefs - OT Luke Joeckel [Texas A&M] - Can slide in at RT or start at LT if Branden Albert gets traded.
02: Jacksonville Jaguars - DE Bjoern Werner [Florida State] - Will help immediately in the pass rush.  Gotten overlooked a bit.
03: Oakland Raiders - DT Sharrif Floyd [Florida] - No Brainer Pick #1.
04: Philadelphia Eagles - CB Dee Milliner [Alabama] - No Brainer Pick #2.  I think they try to get E.J. Manuel in Round 2.
05: Detroit Lions - OT Eric Fisher [Central Michigan] - Will slide in to protect Stafford immediately at LT.
06: Cleveland Browns - DE/OLB Dion Jordan [Oregon] - Can go multiple areas.  Jordan's Combine/Versatility will make him too irresistible to pass on.
07: Arizona Cardinals - OT Lane Johnson [Oklahoma] - They have Carson Palmer in the fold.  They need help and Johnson can start.
08: Buffalo Bills - WR Cordarrelle Patterson [Tennessee] - Gives the Bills a big play WR who can fill the #1 role and let Stevie be #2.
09: New York Jets - DT Star Lotulelei [Utah] - Value grab here for a guy who can start at DE or DT for Rex Ryan.
10: Tennessee Titans - OG Chance Warmack [Alabama] - Tennessee wants to go back to a power scheme and Warmack is a beast.
11: San Diego Chargers - OLB Barkevious Mingo [LSU] - Will give McCoy somebody who can be versatile and add speed immediately to a D that needs it.
12: Miami Dolphins - OT D.J. Fluker [Alabama] - Strong rumors that Miami is going OT if available.  Fluker can slide in at RT quickly or even be tried at LT.
13: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - CB Xavier Rhodes [Florida State] - They need secondary help and Rhodes offers experience and a replacement for Talib.
14: Carolina Panthers - WR Tavon Austin [West Virginia] - Cam needs weapons and Austin can help in the slot & as a return man.
15: New Orleans Saints - DE/OLB Jarvis Jones [LSU] - Saints need explosive weapons for their D and Jones will help a needed pass rush.
16: St. Louis Rams - FS Kenny Vaccaro [Texas] - They need people in the back 7 and Vaccaro is the best FS on the board.
17: Pittsburgh Steelers - DE/OLB Ezekial Ansah [BYU] - Good value pick here for a guy who can play down or up in the Steelers 3-4.
18: Dallas Cowboys - OG Jonathan Cooper [North Carolina] - Need OL help, especially on the interior, and Cooper fills that need.
19: New York Giants - CB Desmond Trufant [Washington] - Not a fancy pick and maybe not even a need but the Giants opt for CB depth here with a guy who has big upside.
20: Chicago Bears - ILB Kevin Minter [LSU] - Nobody worth a pick OL wise, so the Bears opt to take a guy who can be a downhill MLB for years.
21: Cincinnati Bengals - OLB Alec Ogletree [Georgia] - Ogletree offers some versatility and will allow the Bengals to mix up personnel on D.
22: St. Louis Rams - WR Keenan Allen [California] - Rams need weapons and Allen offers somebody who can play outside or inside.
23: Minnesota Vikings - ILB Manti Te'o [Notre Dame] - Spielman says he wants a MLB and Te'o offers somebody who can give them a 3 Down LB.
24: Indianapolis Colts - DT Johnathan Hankins [Ohio State] - Prototypical size to be a 3-4 NT and can be paired with last year's draftee Josh Chapman.
25: Minnesota Vikings - WR Robert Woods [USC] - Need somebody to help out with the loss of Harvin and Woods is a savvy player.
26: Green Bay Packers - CB Jamar Taylor [Boise State] - May not be a need but they lost Woodson and he may be underrated in the CB class.
27: Houston Texans - WR DeAndre Hopkins [Clemson] - Texans finally get somebody who can be of help opposite Johnson with size.
28: Denver Broncos - DT Sylvester Williams [North Carolina] - Offers up good size to play in either a 4-3 or a 3-4.  Can be an immediate impact DT.
29: New England Patriots - WR Quinton Patton [Louisiana Tech] - NE is targeting WR and Patton offers up a package that will remind fans of David Patten.
30: Atlanta Falcons - DE Margus Hunt [SMU] - Need somebody to replace John Abraham and Margus Hunt is the type of intriguing athletic talent that GM Tom Dimitroff loves.
31: San Francisco 49ers - DE/OLB Damontre Moore [Texas A&M] - 49ers have picks to spare and the value here will help.  He can play down or up in a 3-4 and can be used as an edge rush specialist similar to Aldon Smith on the other side.
32: Baltimore Ravens - SS Jonathan Cyprien [Florida International] - Ravens need a hard hitting safety and Cyprien offers a better size package than Florida's Matt Elam.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 08, 2013, 07:15:42 AM
Nooo. We can't take Star here. Could be awesome but we're set there with too many holes.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 08, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
Updated Above Mock Draft (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/user_mock_drafts.cfm?mock_id=33175)  Also added comments underneath picks.

- Geno Smith falls to the Jets at #9.
- Ziggy Ansah falls to the Chargers at #11.
- Jarvis Jones falls to the Steelers at #17.
- Star Lotulelei falls to the Giants at #19.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 08, 2013, 09:37:42 AM
That's way different, but the link doesn't work.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on April 08, 2013, 12:28:00 PM
Hey Harley, I'm being picky but Damontre Moore went to A&M, not UT.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 08, 2013, 09:33:38 PM
That's way different, but the link doesn't work.

1 - KC: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Go with the obvious choice.
2 - JAX: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
A lot of mocks have Jordan here. I think Werner is being overlooked.
3 - OAK: Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
Floyd is the obvious choice.
4 - PHI: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
Eagles lose Nnamdi and replace him with Milliner.
5 - DET: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
Lions need a guy to slide in at LT and get him.
6 - CLE: Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
Browns switching to a 3-4 and Jordan is a perfect fit.
7 - ARI: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
Zona thinks Palmer is Kurt Warner 2.0 so they target OT.
8 - BUF: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
Bills wait until Round 2 for their QB and go with the best WR.
9 - NYJ: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Jets are ready to move on from Sanchez and take Geno Smith.
10 - TEN: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
Titans want a power run game and Warmack delivers.
11 - SD: Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
Ansah is a bit of a surprise here but can be worked in under McCoy.
12 - MIA: D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama
Miami is rumored to be going OT and Fluker fits the bill.
13 - TB: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
Tampa needs secondary help and Rhodes fits the answer.
14 - CAR: Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
Austin gives Carolina a slot weapon and return weapon.
15 - NO: Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
Saints are switching to a 3-4 and Mingo is a big pass rush upgrade.
16 - STL: Kenny Vaccaro, SS, Texas
Vaccaro is the best Safety on the board and the Rams jump on him.
17 - PIT: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
Steelers jump on Jones due to his medical slide. Can fill in DE/OLB rush role.
18 - DAL: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
Cowboys need beef inside and Cooper can help.
19 - NYG: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
Star falls due to medical concerns. Giants can get a guy who can play DE/DT.
20 - CHI: Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU
Bears get a downhill power ILB for the long term.
21 - CIN: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
Bengals snap up a guy who can play inside or outside under Zimmer.
22 - STL: Keenan Allen, WR, California
Rams get Bradford some help outside with Allen.
23 - MIN: Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
Spielman wants a MLB and he takes a solid Cover 2 LB in Te'o.
24 - IND: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
Colts need a big man and Hankins fits it. Can team up with Josh Chapman.
25 - MIN: Robert Woods, WR, USC
Vikings need a replacement for Harvin and Woods can play outside/inside.
26 - GB: Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
Packers opt for pass rush help in the form of Jones, a DE/OLB hybrid.
27 - HOU: DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
Texans finally get a guy who can be a #2 opposite Andre Johnson.
28 - DEN: Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
Denver is loaded on offense so they target the DL with a beast in Williams.
29 - NE: Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
Patriots need help due to Dennard's sentencing so they go with a team fit.
30 - ATL: Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
Falcons like the upside/athleticism and get a replacement for Abraham.
31 - SF: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
49ers have a luxury pick so they opt for a pass rush specialist opposite Smith.
32 - BAL: Jonathan Cyprien, SS, Florida International
Ravens need a hard hitting SS and Cyprien has better size than Elam.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 16, 2013, 05:44:22 AM
Since 2010, 15 of the 28 players drafted by the New England Patriots were college captains. That includes 10 of the 16 drafted in last 2 years.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on April 17, 2013, 09:30:43 AM
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/04/mel_kiper_jr_believes_detroit.html (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/04/mel_kiper_jr_believes_detroit.html)

Fuck you Kiper.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 17, 2013, 10:46:06 AM
Ziggy Ansah's passport info just arrived at NFL front offices. He will be 24 in May.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 18, 2013, 02:31:48 AM
Wonderlic Scores being leaked... take them for whatever you think they are worth.

QB Geno Smith [West Virginia] = 24
WR Robert Woods [USC] = 23
WR Keenan Allen [California] = 19
WR Justin Hunter [Tennessee] = 12
WR Cordarrelle Patterson [Tennessee] = 11
WR Tavon Austin [West Virginia] = 7
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 18, 2013, 06:14:37 AM
Lots of talk going around about Keenan Allen having some inconsistencies in his combine drug test.

http://www.mercurynews.com/cal-bears/ci_23037648/keenan-allens-declining-nfl-draft-stock-clouded-by
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 18, 2013, 08:54:02 AM
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A trashed hotel room at Indy scouting combine that Yahoo reported on belonged to Clemson WR DeAndre Hopkins and Rutgers WR Mark Harrison.

I think that just fucked up my mock beyond belief. Oh well too late.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 18, 2013, 10:07:53 AM
Nah, DeAndre won't fall that low. He was considered the number one prospect here:

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2013/top-nfl-prospects-for-2013.cfm

Let's see where he's at after tomorrow's update.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 18, 2013, 10:09:19 AM
That big board is nuts.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Flik on April 18, 2013, 11:28:49 AM
Both guys are practically jeopordizing a ton of money by this. If either did. Just, weird. And stupid.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 20, 2013, 06:14:56 AM
Bob McGinn's "Scout Talk" Article on QBs (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/the-journal-sentinels-bob-mcginn-assesses-the-top-quarterbacks-in-the-draft-next-week-included-is-each-players-height-weight-40yard-dash-time-and-projected-round-rt9i5sb-203862401.html)

I love these articles because it gives some interesting insight and really shows how polarizing players are and what different scouts take away.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 08:54:33 AM
I just want to make this statement because it's incredible that it is true given the substandard quality of their QB's for most of their 54 years of existence...but also because I think it's about to change:

The Buffalo Bills have NEVER used their first pick in a draft on a QB.

Ever.

They've taken 2 QBs in the first round (Kelly and Losman) but both were taken when they had an extra first rounder to pick with...and both taken after they drafted someone else.  They've, in 53 drafts, taken only SEVEN QBs in the first 3 rounds.  Now...if they were hitting on these QBs that would be fine...but in reality Kelly was great and Ferguson was alright...ish.  The other 5 were bumbs.  EDIT:  Well...one was actually Frank Reich...who was the shit obviously.  Man they used to draft back up QBs higher than they get their starters now!

No other team is in this ridiculous, cheap, sad, pathetic, they should have taken the team away from Ralph years ago because he wasn't trying to win, boat.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 09:58:26 AM
After spending time reviewing tape on Nassib, I would laugh so hard if they really did that.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:00:17 AM
Laugh away.

I hope they do.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 21, 2013, 10:02:00 AM
Nah, Nassib is the real deal. He's gonna be a good pro.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 10:07:34 AM
His athleticism is extremely overrated. He isn't a statue in the pocket, but he has normal quarterback speed and tends to overthrow the ball on passes over the middle of the field. Center fielder type safeties will have a field day on that guy.

I think he's like, a 20th best in the league type quarterback. Good enough to hold the job and maybe get a team in the playoffs once, but there will always be controversies and questions about whether or not he's a good enough quarterback to lead the team. The Bills or Jaguars could get him at the top of the 2nd IMO.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:11:56 AM
I guarantee he won't be there at 41...especially now that the jets pick 3 times between 8 and 41.

I can write a manifesto on why they should do it...but I'm on an iPad so ill just go with...because.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
Jets are taking Geno Smith. I'll wager my avatar for a month, it's a sure thing. You don't go get another 1st rounder so you can have that bum behind center with no short-term development projects for another year. And if you do then LOL

The Bills will trade up with their second to get him, I think. It's way too early to do it in the first though. Maybe if Frisco decides they want to mortgage a shitload of picks to move up into that spot, then moving down for Nassib is wise. This draft is a total crapshoot, but I don't think anyone outside of the top ten or Jets at #13 will take a QB until around pick #26 with a trade at the absolute earliest. Their main competition for Nassib is probably Jacksonville.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:17:51 AM
They don't have the picks and have too many holes to be moving up.  If a qb is worth giving up extra picks for...take him at 8.

And if the jets watched smith play in cold weather...they won't be taking him.

Again...laugh all you want.  I'm only becoming more convinced that Nassib is the right pick. 
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 10:20:12 AM
Teams don't judge by that cold weather nonsense. How often do you think Pac-12 QBs like Andrew Luck played in cold weather? Not that often, and when he did, probably not that well.

That's like saying a team isn't going to take an elite 340 pound defensive tackle because they play in Florida and it's too fucking hot, so they're going to play like shit cause they sweat too much. That's just dumb.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:22:49 AM
Being a lineman and looking like you don't know how to hold a football when it's snowy are two different things.  Did you watch the pinstripe bowl?  His stock tanked that day.

His worst game before that was the only other cold weather game he played.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 10:23:36 AM
More to my point regarding Geno Smith to the Jets

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1. Broadway Geno: It was widely reported March 14 that Jets senior personnel executive Terry Bradway attended the West Virginia pro day, headlined by QB Geno Smith. Turns out that Bradway was accompanied by offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. The Jets' contingent had some private time with Smith, and they came away very impressed. The Jets have warmed to Smith since last month's scouting combine, where he didn't blow away people with his interviews. Some feel that may have been caused by fatigue (the combine can be a grind), but he certainly redeemed himself in the eyes of the Jets.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/21762/sunday-notes-jets-warming-to-geno-smith
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:24:14 AM
If they take him I'll sig bet that he busts hard and fast
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 21, 2013, 10:24:55 AM
Rodgers went to Cal.  Favre went to Southern Miss.  Starr went to Bama.  Our best QBs are all southerners.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:25:19 AM
If they're smart they will just ignore qb and take the top 3 pick they're heading towards and roll the dice then
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:26:09 AM
Rodgers went to Cal.  Favre went to Southern Miss.  Starr went to Bama.  Our best QBs are all southerners.

Is anyone going to address my actual point?

The kid looked like he'd never seen a football when the conditions were bad.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 21, 2013, 10:26:32 AM
Question for bps21, what do you think of the reports that the Bills are torn between Nassib and Barkley?  Smoke screen?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:29:29 AM
Those are the two I'd prefer they be looking at.  I can see marrone admiring Barkley because USC destroyed them when they played a couple times.  Same reason he wouldn't want smith...smith was beaten by an average to below average talent Cuse team 3 times.

Tells me they're taking qb at 8 though
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: pujoljunkie on April 21, 2013, 10:31:23 AM
I'm just gonna drop in and say there's no way the Jets take Smith because they're clearly tanking for Bridgewater.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:32:52 AM
It must be killing espn that this draft is s lacking in sexy top prospects.  It's a deep draft but they don't make commercials for the value you'll get at 28.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 21, 2013, 10:33:47 AM
I love these deep drafts seeing as how Green Bay always picks in the 20s or later.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:35:44 AM
Question for bps21, what do you think of the reports that the Bills are torn between Nassib and Barkley?  Smoke screen?

Now that I think about it...buddy did something interesting in regards to Barkley.  At the draft luncheon he spent a lot of time discussing the prospects he was asked about...except Barkley who he immediately threw it to a scout to talk about instead.  Maybe buddy is the one who likes him and didnt want to tip his hand.  But then he went on about tavon Austin like he did about spiller 3 years ago and I was convinced that was who he loved...but they told him no lol
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 10:36:45 AM
If they take him I'll sig bet that he busts hard and fast

I think it will, but it won't be because he plays badly in cold weather. It's because more likely than not he's going to wind up in a no-win situation like the Jets or Jaguars.

The Jets have already proven themselves incapable of tanking with Sanchez at QB. And that was with Revis gone. If they don't take Smith, they're probably going have two players who vastly improve their defense or offense, so they're stuck as a 6 win team. I find that extremely amusing. Their schedule is tailor-made for some fuckhead to go on a tear at the end of the season and win them out of a good draft pick.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:38:01 AM
Yeah I was gonna say...the jets didnt get worse than last year today..they didnt have revis last year either.  Having 3 picks in the top 39 in this deep draft made them better.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 10:39:55 AM
I think the jets go Austin at 9 and then best defensive player at 13.  Unless someone slips at 9 they can't pass on.

Edit:  though I don't know who that would be.  I'm not shot in the ass about the top of this draft class.  More reason I want my team to just take whatever qb they like best and move the fuck on.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 21, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
I think the jets go Austin at 9 and then best defensive player at 13.  Unless someone slips at 9 they can't pass on.

Unless Austin is gone.  Minnesota seems like they are trying to trade up to get him.

There are enough pieces in Jacksonville that a competent QB can be successful, at least if they can find a RT.  They have some good skill position players.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 10:46:28 AM
The only way the Jets could really tank would be to take two wide receivers with their first round picks and a tight end with their second. It's not a Raiders like situation where they are obviously going defense, don't have a second round pick, and are going to lose anyway. But if you take Austin there's the chance his speed wins you 2 games via kick returns or just straight out breaking tackles. And Patterson is going to be great at going out and fetching terribly thrown balls, which Sanchez is a pro at doing. So you know...there's no real way to tank when you have three picks to grab first round talent with, unless the guys go into camp and blow out their knees. There's first round talent until about pick 45-50 in this draft.

With Rex as the coach they'll probably go defense with both first round picks. The Jets just did draft a wide receiver in the 2nd last year after all.

Looking at this reasonably, there are far worse teams than the Jets anyway. The Raiders, Jaguars, Cardinals, and Browns are probably going to be terrible. And Tennessee has a sorry quarterback too. The Jets are also in a division where everyone but the Patriots finds a way to beat each other no matter how bad or good they are. Rex Ryan isn't a tank like coach anyway. That guy wants to win fucking football games and will ruin any plans upper management has to lose them.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 21, 2013, 10:57:44 AM
Quickie comparisons after re-watching film

Geno Smith = Donovan McNabb.  He lacks innate accuracy (Austin & Bailey made him look much better IMO) and has poor pocket presence. Has the highest BUST potential among the QBs.
Ryan Nassib = Eli Manning.  He has potential to be a very good QB but makes some bad throws and bad decisions too.  The kind of QB who will throw 28 TD vs 17-18 INT by the end of the season.
Matt Barkley = Jeff Garcia.  He actually has a stronger arm than I initially thought.  It's not great but as good as Brady's was coming out of Michigan.
E.J. Manuel = Daunte Culpepper.  He makes everything look effortless and has potential to put up great numbers but focus will be key.
Mike Glennon = Nick Foles.  Big guy who has very good arm strength but isn't very mobile and will have to rely on the athletes at RB/WR/TE to look good.
Tyler Bray = 2nd Rate Jay Cutler.  Cannon for an arm but compounds his game with too many dumb decisions and questionable throws.  The type of QB who "trips over his own feet" in terms of long term success.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 21, 2013, 11:18:44 AM
Maybe if the bills truly do like both Nassib and Barkley they aren't afraid to move back if they can.  Watch that cost them both. 


“I’ll tell you this: If you like a quarterback, and like him in the third round, then you had better take him in the second.”, buddy nix this week.  He finally learned what I thought he learned two years ago...and then didnt when he thought Wilson would be there in the 4th where he had him rated.  Damn old fool.  The lesson is if they like Nassib and Barkley at 41...they'll take them at 8

Mike mayock agrees with me about Geno and cold weather btw...and he gets paid!  I give you the truth for free!
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 21, 2013, 11:21:20 AM
Mike Mayock also has a kid whose heart blew up ranked top 15.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 22, 2013, 12:00:07 AM
Damn!  You know your school has a "perception" now...

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Asked why he wasn't high on him (DE Alex Okafor), one personnel director replied, "Because he's from Texas." Two other scouts basically said the same thing, reflecting a deep-seated perception of Longhorns players as pampered and talented underachievers.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 22, 2013, 10:22:19 AM
Omar Kelly ‏- Word on the street is Jags have their eyes on Matt Barkley. Buffalo will pick Geno Smith or Ryan Nassib in 1st 2 rounds. Believe what u want
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 22, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
I'm happy with that, whether it's true or a rumour that helps them trade down and stockpile picks.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 22, 2013, 10:57:33 AM
I dont have to believe someting i already know...  buffalo hates geno smith.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kinsey on April 23, 2013, 05:42:15 AM
Kinsey Mock Draft, Bro

Chiefs: OT Luke Joeckel
This is a no brainer at this point. A solid improvement over Albert, you can plug him in at LT right away, and it'll help you get the most out of Alex Smith. Plus, if the Albert trade with the Dolphins does go through, they may have enough draft capital tot rade up to the 2nd and snag say, Matt Barkley.
Jaguars: OT Eric Fisher
Every mock I see has the Jags going for a DE or DT, but it's not like they have all that great of an offensive line protecting Blaine Henne. With Fisher you get a guy that could arguably go numero uno in a draft, that fills a need, and boosts production.
Raiders: CB Dee Milliner
The question isn't "Will The Raiders go defense?" They are. The question is d-line or secondary. The Raiders would love to trade down here, get some more picks, but if they stand pat, it comes down to Dee or Sharrif Floyd. I think they go for the guy that can drastically improve their secondary.
Eagles: QB Geno Smith
The Vick era in Philly is winding down sooner than later, and you'd rather have a young QB learning the super-fast-snap system now before he is thrown in there. 7-10 games on the bench until Vick gets hurt will help him out, and you can't say he won't have weapons around him.
Lions: OT Lane Johnson
Has there ever been 3 tackles taken in the first five picks? For the Lions it comes down to protecting Stafford or boosting the pass rush. I think They have a better chance of helping the pass rush later in the draft, while Lane Johnson can step in right away and help that o-line
Browns: Dion Jordan OLB
This is a perfect fit for the Browns as they try and boost their defense. Wouldn't be shocked if he out produced Kruger in his rookie year, no joke.
Cardinals: DT Sharirif Floyd
They really, really want an OT here, but with none, they'll take the best player available to boost their defense.
Bills: QB Ryan Nassib
It feels like it has been destined to happen. Also, Kolb is their starting QB right now. Heh.
Jets: WR Tavon Austin
The Jets are in desperate need of a playmaker, and if they're stuck with Sanchez, they've got to make it work somehow.
Titans: DE Ezekiel Ansah
You think the Titans would be happy to see Ansah fall to them here? Oh yeah.
Chargers: OG Chance Warmack
Their offensive line is the drizzling shits. I can see them maybe going for DJ Fluker here, but I think they'll snag the best guard in the draft.
Dolphins: DT Star Lotulelei
Like the Titans, one of those situations where a guy they didn't expect falls to them and boosts their defense.
Jets: RB Eddie Lacy
I can see them going with Mingo, but last I checked Mike Goodson is their presumed  starting running back. This draft is super deep in defense, so grabbing one of the few running backs worth drafting is worth it.
Panthers: DT Sheldon Richardson
The kind of unsexy smart pick the Panthers need to make if they're ever going to break through in the NFC South.
Saints: OLB Barkevious Mingo
It is clear the Saints are focused on improving their defense this year, and Mingo would give them the pass rush they haven't had in quite a while
Rams: S Kenny Vaccaro
Who exactly is playing safety for the Rams right now? While they need a playmaker, improving their Safety is their top priority. If they don't snag Vaccaro here, they won't be able to with their next pick
Steelers: OLB Jarvis Jones
They need to get that defense younger and faster, and JJ is both. The Steelers develop linebackers extremely well, so within a season or two, Jones could be matching or out producing Steeler-era James Harrisson.
Cowboys: OT DJ Fluker
I think we can all agree Doug Free isn't the answer, right? And if you say you believe in Romo, protect him.
Giants: ILB Manti Te'o
The Giants cannot ignore the glaring hole that is ILB any longer. Te'o in a media shitstorm that is NYC could be problematic, but the Giants need to take a chance on him.
Bears: OG Jonathan Cooper
They could go with Kevin Minter here, and I think they'd hoped Te'o would be here, but I see them trying to bolster the o-line that has been a debacle in the Jay Cutler years.
Bengals: ILB Alec Olgletree
Best player available to keep their defense top notch.
Rams: TE Tyler Eifert
The Chief needs weapons, whether it be RB, WR, or TE. If Eddie Lacy was here, they'd be all over it. Since he isn't I think they go with Eifert to give them the TE they haven't had in years and years.
Vikings: CB Xavier Rhodes
When you're in a division with Rodgers, Stafford, and Cutler, you need to keep your secondary top notch.
Colts: WR Cordarrelle Patterson
Wayne is 35 years old, and Luck will need somebody good to throw to.
Vikings: ILB Kevin Minter
No brainer.
Packers: RB Montee Ball
They need something at RB to take some pressure off Rodgers and his WRs. They've neglected running back for so long, they need to fix it now.
Texans: WR Robert Woods
Again, no brainer.
Broncos: S Matt Elam
Their weakness on defense is their safety corps, so adding Matt Elam could, maybe, possibly keep things like the Jacoby Jones miracle from happening. Maybe.
Patriots: DT Sylvester Williams
Or they trade down.
Falcons: CB Robert Alford
The Falcons could go in numerous ways with this pick(OT, TE, DE) but I think they try and improve their pass defense by grabbing Alford.
49ers: OG Kyle Long
Good teams make these kind of unsexy picks that pay dividends. Keep that running game top notch.
Ravens: S John Cyprien
The Ravens have, I believe, three choices here: Cyprien, TE Zach Ertz, or OT Menelik Watson. I'm leaning towards Cyprien so they have a guy that can step right in and be productive.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 23, 2013, 05:52:53 AM
Like the first pick, not sure about Lacy.

Manish Mehta
A player that Jets fans should familiarize themselves with: Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones. #nyj
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Aero on April 23, 2013, 07:14:44 AM
I'm for Austin with one of those picks, because obviously the offense needs a spark, but I wouldn't be happy with Lacy or any RB with the other. Of course, if they do end up trading for Ivory, then I wouldn't expect a RB pick at least until the 3rd or 4th. Assuming Dion Jordan is gone by 9, then I'd be happy with Jarvis Jones.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 23, 2013, 07:33:53 AM
I really like Sylvester Williams but would be a bit surprised if New England passed on CB Jamar Taylor.

I think if it hits #29, New England will try to trade down to 33-36 with the hope that Taylor falls (if he's there) while letting a team move up in their place.

Potential Trade Partners: Eagles (#35) have 4 7th Round picks or Titans (#40) who have 2 3rd Round picks.  Dark Horse could be San Francisco who could move up from #31 whilst giving NE the #61 [2nd Round] or #74 [3rd Round] picks.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 23, 2013, 07:46:13 AM
I'm starting to lean towards the Bills and Barkley thing not only not being a smokescreen...but it's possible he may even have the edge.  They are really stuck IMO at taking one at 8.  They draft after every team that needs QB in the second round and it would cost them more than they will be willing to give up to move ahead of them all.  Not to mention if another team does it first...the run will start and they'll leave empty handed.  Of course they'd like to trade back if they could since I'm gathering that the separation between Barkley and Nassib at this point on their board is probably just personal preference between the different people in the room.  But there seems to be 100% agreement with them that these two are the guys that fit what they want to build Marrone's offense around.  I don't think they'll be able to trade back and I am fascinated to see which way the coin falls on draft day.  At this point Barkley doesn't have the separation as a prospect from anyone to make picking him over Nassib anything but an indictment on what Marrone thinks Nassib can do at this level.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 23, 2013, 10:32:20 AM
What do Oakland fans want?  Two tackles to go 1-2?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 23, 2013, 10:38:19 AM
The tackles going 1-2 would fuck us. Just one of them has to go in those two spots.

Trade down to anywhere above #15 or draft Floyd. He won't go before #3. I very much prefer trading down as we need a 2nd rounder. Arizona would probably be extremely interested in moving up if one of those tackles were left, and Philadelphia would take one of them. So the Raiders are in a good spot. It seems evident that Jacksonville's coach isn't going to take a tackle. He's a defensive guy who believes in building a pass rush.

If the Raiders go back to #7 Warmack would be good, because we need a big fuckin' clear out blocker. Or a DT. But if Reggie trades down far enough, he could do anything. We need a #1 WR, OL, DL, LB, CB, safety, etc.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on April 23, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/23/dee-milliner-has-had-five-surgeries/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/23/dee-milliner-has-had-five-surgeries/)

Everyone blow up your mocks!
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 23, 2013, 02:23:39 PM
NFL Network and ESPN intend to not tip picks this year. I like that.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 23, 2013, 04:37:57 PM
NFL Network and ESPN intend to not tip picks this year. I like that.

NFL Network didn't last year either.  That was the first time though.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 24, 2013, 12:30:02 AM
Just for fun, NFL Network did their Mock Draft special with a panel representing teams.  Interesting to see where some guys fell too.

KC: OT Eric Fisher
JAX: QB Geno Smith [Michael Irvin Selection]
OAK: DT Sharrif Floyd
PHI: OT Luke Joeckel
DET: OT Lane Johnson [Steve Mariucci Selection]
CLE: DE/OLB Dion Jordan
ARI: DE Ziggy Ansah [Brian Billick Selection]
BUF: WR Tavon Austin [Daniel Jeremiah Selection]
NYJ: DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo
TEN: OG Chance Warmack
SDC: OG Jonathan Cooper [Rich Eisen Selection]
MIA: CB Xavier Rhodes [Melissa Stark Selection]
NYJ: CB Dee Milliner [Steve Mariucci Selection]  **Falls to #13**
CAR: DT Star Lotulelei
NOS: OLB Jarvis Jones [Brian Billick Selection]
STL: FS Kenny Vaccaro
PIT: WR Justin Hunter [Dave Dameshek Selection]
DAL: FS Eric Reid [Michael Irvin Selection]
NYG: OT D.J. Fluker
CHI: MLB Manti Te'o [Melissa Starks Selection]
CIN: WR Cordarrelle Patterson [Steve Mariucci Selection]
STL: DT Sheldon Richardson
MIN: DT Sylvester Williams [Brian Billick Selection]
IND: CB D.J. Hayden
MIN: WR Keenan Allen [Charles Davis Selection]
GBP: SS Matt Elam [Michael Irvin Selection]
HOU: WR Robert Woods [Rich Eisen Selection]
DEN: DE Bjoern Werner
NEP: OT/OG Justin Pugh [Daniel Jeremiah Selection]
ATL: TE Tyler Eifert [Dave Dameshek Selection]
SF4: CB Desmond Trufant
BAL: MLB Kevin Minter [Brian Billick Selection]
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 24, 2013, 01:52:07 AM
Te'o to the Bears? Oh man, that is just terrible. And Bills going receiver? Well alright then.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Incandenza on April 24, 2013, 01:54:20 AM
If Jax drafts Geno (or any other QB) with their first-round pick, feel free to write off the new regime. I don't care how bad GabberHenne are.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 24, 2013, 02:14:34 AM
I love Michael Irvin as a personality but I wouldn't trust him to make accurate football predictions as they pertain to talent evaluation. Stick to being the Playmaker, dawg.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 24, 2013, 02:31:11 AM
If the Bears take Te'o I will slit my fucking wrists
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Byron The Bulp on April 24, 2013, 02:34:25 AM
Gotta find that new Urlacher
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 24, 2013, 06:02:19 AM
Te'o girlfriend has a better chance of being the replacement Urlacher.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Wizard of Maz on April 24, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Yeah, I was watching that at work and laughing my ass off at some of the picks.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 09:48:51 AM
Ian Rapoport reporting that the Jags are targeting Nassib in R2, Bills targeting Barkley in R2. I think both those guys would be around at those points unless either of those teams was to take the other one.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 24, 2013, 09:52:17 AM
I don't think the Bills will get either of them if they wait until Round 2.  They pick after all the other teams needing QBs.  The Jets pick THREE times before the Bills get another pick.

If the Bills want one they will either need to trade back into the first, or preferably take one at #8.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 09:55:22 AM
The Bills just have to move up a bit in the 2nd. Taking a QB at #8, especially Nassib or Barkley is crazy.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 10:02:06 AM
I hate that idea far more than taking one at 8.

"This player isn't worth a pick that high...but they're worth the two high picks it takes to get up to get them".

Also the Bills aren't going to be any good this year...to leap everyone back into the first round you want them to give up 41 and probably a top 40 pick next year...and that's IF a second rounder gets them high enough.

What elite player are the Bills missing out on by taking a QB at 8?

A guard they won't pay a second contract to because they don't think they're worth 8 million a year?  The 5'8 WR?  A Safety?

If you like a QB, take a QB.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 24, 2013, 10:25:11 AM
The way this draft is? If the Bills want a QB, they might as well take him at 8. It's just too even of a class for it to matter. I just don't see one player who makes me think "Wow, that guy should be #1". I haven't seen a guy who makes me think "That guy is top five easily". It's just a lot of kinda good beating out good for the top spots.

Shit I could have justified the Browns taking Weeden in a draft like this...
Actually nevermind, they are still stupid.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
I think my favorite double speak in this draft is seeing the same reporters say "Playoff teams have to be really happy since the talent is so deep and so void of elite prospects that you'll get the same value at 28 you'll get at 7", and "Can't take a QB at 8...their value is in the 20's".  ...  Yep.  I would love to get a QB in round 2.  I'd love to get the QB in round 7 but it isn't very likely.  If the QB is worth the 40th pick they should take him at 8.  Because they don't draft at 40.  Or 30.  Or 20.  Teams that have this many holes shouldn't trade away draft picks to move up.  Teams that are rebuilding shouldn't trade away future picks either because you could be making a disaster of a move.  And trading down is what everyone is trying to do which hurts the value of the return...not to mention in either scenario...every team knows what you're targeting and any of those 6 teams that want to get a QB at the more "value" spot...won't have to do much to get them ahead of you.  They are stuck.  And I'm glad they're stuck.  Just take a QB and move on with your life.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 10:34:04 AM
For what it's worth EJ Manuel's name has popped up at the last hour here.  Mostly because they can sit him and be bad and Marrone reportedly likes his potential once he's coached up.  My take on that is...they're going to try to trade out of 8 and know they might screw themselves out of the guys everyone knows they like because they may move down FAR and need to preemptively cover their asses.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 24, 2013, 10:41:35 AM
Bills have to go Barkley or Nassib right there. If they don't, it's going to be Glennon or Manuel is who they end up with. And Manuel is just Christian Ponder with maybe a slightly better upside because of his arm strength.

Jets would likely be intrigued by a QB there.
Jags may take one if they don't take Geno.
Cleveland might since Weeden is already an old man.
Philadelphia would be in the market for one more than likely.
Arizona might still be in the market for the back-up for Palmer since Skelton showed he sucked ass.

The Bills would be stupid to not take one at 8 if they are after a QB. If they wait until round 2, they would need to trade picks. And I can bet it will NOT be picks in this draft that teams will want to have if the Bills move up. Waiting for round two is just a gamble they cannot make.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 24, 2013, 10:45:29 AM
They would need to sit Manuel for two years. He will frustrate Bills fans more than Fitzpatrick did with his on again off again performances. It is a Florida State quarterback thing. And in the three years he was running out there, he really did not show much improvement. I'd say his ceiling is Alex Smith and his basement is Shaun King.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: fazzle on April 24, 2013, 11:16:55 AM
My IDEAL scenario for the Bills is that they can trade down into the 20s somehow (maybe the Vikes really like Tavon Austin and/or really want to replace Harvin?) and draft Nassib there.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 11:22:27 AM
Bills have to go Barkley or Nassib right there. If they don't, it's going to be Glennon or Manuel is who they end up with. And Manuel is just Christian Ponder with maybe a slightly better upside because of his arm strength.

Jets would likely be intrigued by a QB there.
Jags may take one if they don't take Geno.
Cleveland might since Weeden is already an old man.
Philadelphia would be in the market for one more than likely.
Arizona might still be in the market for the back-up for Palmer since Skelton showed he sucked ass.

The Bills would be stupid to not take one at 8 if they are after a QB. If they wait until round 2, they would need to trade picks. And I can bet it will NOT be picks in this draft that teams will want to have if the Bills move up. Waiting for round two is just a gamble they cannot make.

There are lots of good players in the second, third, and fourth round, especially receivers, running backs, and defensive players. So they probably would want picks in this draft.

In the end, this is the same team that signed Kevin Kolb, so when it comes to the QB position you don't really know what they're going to do. Taking Nassib is a mistake anyway, I hope they do it. If they don't take him, a QB won't come off the board until 13 at the earliest. None of the teams ahead of them are taking a quarterback. The quarterbacks aren't very good and a player like Nassib would have gone in the 4th or 5th round last year. If the Bills want to do that, then lol. They could probably trade down to one of the Vikings or Rams slots if those teams see someone they like (Tavon Austin, DT, CB). That could do it.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 24, 2013, 11:24:43 AM
Teams like Green Bay and New England would probably love somebody to give them more picks to trade up into the 20s.  It just isn't something Buffalo should be doing.  They need more picks, not fewer.  The cost is too great for a team with as many holes as they have.

I'm not saying Nassib or Barkley is necessarily the answer, but they need to make the attempt.  If they guess wrong, with the way rookie salaries are now they can try again in a couple of years.  The days of a bad pick torpedoing your franchise for a decade are over.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 11:29:32 AM
KC is apparently thinking of taking Fisher ahead of Joeckel. This is good. Now Jacksonville just has to take anyone else (which they probably will) and Reggie is gonna get a pick ransom from somebody wanting a cornerstone tackle. I like this a lot.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Bored on April 24, 2013, 11:32:36 AM
LOL Mike Mayock also thinks the Bears should pick Manti Te'o. Mayock does though always overrate Notre Dame players.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
Mike Silver reporting that the Raiders and Browns may make dance partners come tomorrow night. They don't have a second, so they'd have to mortgage nearly their whole draft most likely. Hm. Maybe the Raiders could get another pick or two by moving down again and trading it to Miami.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 24, 2013, 12:18:35 PM
LOL Mike Mayock also thinks the Bears should pick Manti Te'o. Mayock does though always overrate Notre Dame players.

Me irl.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pyBB7y8fDU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 12:52:22 PM
Just read some crazy shit in this article. To sum up

- Lions could go with OG Jonathan Cooper

- Bills will select a guard with #8 if they don't trade down

- Browns love EJ Manuel (lol if they traded up to get him I don't even know)

- Jets like Tyler Eifert

- Barkevious Mingo is going up the Eagles board

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000163201/article/draft-buzz-detroit-lions-love-og-cooper-de-ansah?campaign=Twitter_atl
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 12:55:04 PM
Yes.  The Bills will use their 8th pick to draft a position they don't feel is worthy of paying a second contract to.  Makes perfect sense.

If they draft a guard (which they won't) I will up Agent's video by killing everyone else before I kill myself.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 01:01:22 PM
Buddy literally just said a week ago that it would be awfully difficult to pass up Cooper and/or Warmack.

Quote
“Not at all. Not at all,” said Nix. ”I know people have said we’re taking one of those top two guards. Our roster in house is better than I think we get credit for especially offensive line. We’re pretty deep there. We’ve got six guards and we think a couple of them can play. Now having said all that before you write that we’re not going to take a guard at number eight, it’s hard to pass up two players like the old boy at Alabama and the kid at North Carolina. Both of those are great players so you have to give that a lot of thought when they come up.”

Also read in the Chicago Sun-Times that Chicago may draft Mike Glennon.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 01:06:24 PM
I think by now I understand buddy speak.  I only get all his 1st round picks right.  He's not taking a guard. 
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 01:37:15 PM
In the end I firmly believe that if Buddy Nix was in full control of this draft he would take Tavon Austin at 8.  But I also believe he was told to get a QB or don't bother showing up for work on Monday.  Buddy talked about Austin the same way he talked about Spiller when I knew that he was taking him despite having Lynch and Jackson already.  A guy that you can put on the field who can score from anywhere and changes everything about what you can do on offense.  I know he loves him.  Even though he knows he needs a big outside WR more...I know he loves him.  But he's been reigned in after failing to even try at QB for 3 years of needing QB.  So in his perfect scenario some team will trade up with him and he can take a QB later while getting another high pick to fill all the holes he still has.  I still can't make an official prediction this year because...well...Buddy isn't as in control as he was.  He was easy to read.  But I will put it this way...the guy above Buddy?  He isn't taking power from him to tell him to take a fucking Guard.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Aero on April 24, 2013, 02:33:01 PM
On the Jets liking Eifert, one of the beat reporters mentioned that while it's true, they don't like him for 9 or 13, but either report could be a smokescreen. In his last mock, Mike Mayock has Dion Jordan dropping to the Jets at 9 (unlikely, I think) and Eifert at 13 (with Austin already taken by Buffalo). I want Austin, but I'd be happy with that pair, assuming trading back isn't done. One of those picks has to be offense.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 03:21:38 PM
You know what...now I want the Bills to take a stupid Guard just to hear Buddy's press conference.

(In booming foghorn leghorn voice) "Now I know I said there were 2 or 3 franchise QB's in this draft...but that was all a smokescreen see. There never was a great QB in this class...and I had to throw people off the scent so I could get this here big boy to play Guard. Now we only needed a Guard because I didn't think it was worth paying a new contract to the one we had. So enjoy this guy for the 4 or 5 years you have him. Tickets go on sale tomorrow.  Yee-Haw!"
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 04:25:54 PM
If the Chiefs take Fisher over Joeckel I hope the KC paper headline reads "No Joeck(el), Chiefs take Fisher".  On that same token I hope the Buffalo News headline doesn't read "Bills take Chance, miss out on QBs".  Also "New Sharrif in town"

...

That's all the puns I've got.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 24, 2013, 04:28:22 PM
The Bills shouldn't take a QB in the first round. Not worth it.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 04:30:21 PM
Yeah can't miss out on that Guard or tiny WR who returns punts.  Actually undersized player who returns kicks is every player they've ever drafted now that I think about it.

When faced with the option of getting the QB they like at 8...or waiting for all 6 teams that will take a QB to pick again...I'm 100% in on taking QB at 8.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 24, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
It would be like drafting Kevin Kolb. You already have him.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
I don't think this class is nearly as bad as the experts (who by the way...have like 7 QBs rated ahead of where they had Wilson last year.  So "expert" is like "weatherman").  Kolb is shot.  He WAS a prospect, he HAD potential...and that died somewhere around his 1000th hit in Arizona.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 04:51:02 PM
You just have to watch the tape yourself and not listen to what they say. It's literally all available to you. It really is that bad. If Nassib turns out to be as good as lolb that would be an achievement. The guy will be an interception machine and has no sense of how hard to throw the ball. The best case scenario from this class is probably Matt Barkley as Matt Hasselbeck Part II, but he needs a lot of work.

Meanwhile Austin looks like a Steve Smith type WR and Warmack like an All-Pro.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 04:59:22 PM
He'll look like roscoe Parrish with Kevin Kolb throwing him the ball.  In an empty stadium that we might have burned down before the season starts.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
He'd look just as bad with any of the QB's available throwing him the ball, other than perhaps Smith who looks really good from 0-10 yards. This is a no-win scenario.

Anyone who says Nassib is a first round player, I would refer them to this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKJiruGcgFw

At home in a dome. Lots of decent short passes, but once he goes long...he gets retarded. I'm glad my GM already blew a pick next year on a QB cause I don't want any of these guys.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 05:12:19 PM
Are you aware that was week 1 with a new offensive system they literally implemented three weeks before the season started?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 24, 2013, 05:18:40 PM
Yep, but it showcases the good and bad better than any other video. That was far from his worst performance. He just isn't reliable throwing more than screens and 10 yard drags. The first half of the USC game is a great example of shitty QB play under pressure.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 05:23:29 PM
Yeah I was assuming a 400+ 4 td day against a team that ended up ranked wasnt his worst performance.  I wonder if his skillset would fit the new offense here in buffalo though.  And fwiw I think they want Barkley anyway.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 24, 2013, 09:20:27 PM
Bills taking Tavon Austin is like "putting a spoiler on a car that doesn't have an engine."  LOL it's gonna be a fun day of sports radio.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 24, 2013, 11:49:20 PM
Sources tell Draft Insider Tony Pauline there's a "99.9 percent" chance Davone Bess is traded to the Browns for "mid-round picks."

- Minor but interesting move as it'd give Cleveland (and Weeden?) a solid guy who can fit in well as a #3/#4 option with reliable hands and route running ability.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 25, 2013, 03:29:59 AM
Davone Bess is really an underrated receiver and I wish he was on New England. That would be a great move by Cleveland if the picks don't go above round four.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 25, 2013, 03:31:21 AM
Looks like Cleveland wants Ryan Mallet, but they don't have the 2nd Round pick that New England wants.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 25, 2013, 03:39:34 AM
Oh man that's a bill of goods. Avoid.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 03:41:17 AM
I will laugh forever if New England gets a higher return than they invested in mallet solely because he's a patriot now.  Their beat reporter on our local radio interview last year said mallet is the worst qb they'd ever seen.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 05:02:23 AM
Seems like Michael Lombardi is as retarded as when he left off in Oakland. That guy was one of the only people who had influence with Al and he helped run the team into the ground.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2013, 07:06:12 AM
We're gonna need some context for that one.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Krankor on April 25, 2013, 07:23:56 AM
One weekend a year Mel Kiper Jr. is capable of getting an erection, and that time is upon us.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 07:49:05 AM
One weekend a year Mel Kiper Jr. is capable of getting an erection, and that time is upon us.

CAN'T WAIT
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 07:52:05 AM
We're gonna need some context for that one.
He was largely responsible for the Russel pick and helped sway Al towards it. All the ones before that year too.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 25, 2013, 08:03:30 AM
JaMarcus Russel to Ryan Mallet, he seems to be going in the right direction sorta. At least Mallet doesn't appear to have ate his offensive line between series.

But a second round pick? That would just be a terrible deal.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: UterusJuice on April 25, 2013, 08:17:28 AM
ProFootballTalk just said the Chiefs are taking Fisher.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 08:18:36 AM
The KC paper better use my pun.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2013, 08:20:45 AM
ProFootballTalk just said the Chiefs are taking Fisher.

not that I care about this one because everyone knew the Chiefs were going in that direction, but can we all agree that no picks should be spoiled during the chat tonight?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 25, 2013, 08:53:04 AM
I'm on board for that.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 25, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 25, 2013, 11:14:41 AM
This is getting into coin flip territory.
Does chat work on an ipad?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Fökai on April 25, 2013, 11:32:36 AM
Wow, who gets the third pick...
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 25, 2013, 11:33:13 AM
Holy shit Miami, really?

Are you shitting me? They have GOT to be thinking about trading for Albert or Tannehill will die.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 25, 2013, 11:35:13 AM
LOLphins.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cartman on April 25, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
I'm sure the rest of the league is just happy that Brady might die.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 25, 2013, 12:03:13 PM
Bills have to be going QB now. About goddamn time.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Gert on April 25, 2013, 12:03:48 PM
So are the Jets going to back into Milliner at the #9 spot and still have their 13 in pocket for Revis?

Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on April 25, 2013, 12:07:27 PM
I'll save my extended thoughts on Ansah later, but I did nail that pick.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 25, 2013, 12:40:33 PM
The fact that the Raiders pick isn't there live tells me all I need to know about its lulz factor.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 25, 2013, 01:04:46 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 01:08:05 PM
It's a great pick in terms of what he does on the field. Worried about his heart though. If it doesn't kill him, he could be a great player.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on April 25, 2013, 01:08:58 PM
The fact that the Raiders pick isn't there live tells me all I need to know about its lulz factor.

This is hilarious now that Bills made an absolutely idiotic reach
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 25, 2013, 01:09:42 PM
I don't know how you don't go with the guy who's fucking college coach and system will be there. I hope to be proven wrong badly but gut reaction was ugh.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: strummer on April 25, 2013, 01:10:53 PM
That's a reach for the Bills.  It's scary that both Gruden and Mel don't think he will be able to start in his first season.  Berman is clueless
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 25, 2013, 01:12:21 PM
I eagerly await the bps manifesto. It cannot get here soon enough.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Wizard of Maz on April 25, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
He'll be happy they went QB, then he'll throw himself in front of a train
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: fazzle on April 25, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
this is just a decoy pick so nobody thinks the Bills will take Nassib in the 2nd!
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: strummer on April 25, 2013, 01:14:18 PM
Mel compared him to Gabbert.  Not a good sign
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 01:18:36 PM
I think he's a little more like Jake Locker. Compared to two bust QB's, not very good lol.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: strummer on April 25, 2013, 01:22:14 PM
That's a ridiculously safe pick for the Giants.  Still need a LBer
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: UterusJuice on April 25, 2013, 01:25:29 PM
Black quarterback guarantees the Bills will not win.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: strummer on April 25, 2013, 01:29:11 PM
Another offensive lineman.  This is quite boring
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2013, 01:40:01 PM
Manuel is the ultimate boom or bust pick, they had their choice of QBs and picked him so I'm not really mad. I just think they could have waited till the second round to get him because nobody else wanted him. Considering how that philosophy has fucked them in the past though, I can't blame them.

GAMES ARENT WON IN APRIL LETS GIVE THE BLACK JIM KELLY A CHANCE
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on April 25, 2013, 01:40:53 PM
Denial
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2435e1v.gif)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: #sorrynotsorry on April 25, 2013, 01:49:14 PM
Did bps get another DUI?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Zetterberg is Go on April 25, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
Yeah I think YPOV's avatar was pretty much every Bills fans' reaction.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: KingPK on April 25, 2013, 02:22:09 PM
Obviously the Pats wouldn't have just 5 picks in this draft.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: KingPK on April 25, 2013, 02:28:33 PM
This is hilarious since he isn't announcing a Pats pick.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 25, 2013, 03:04:57 PM
52, 83, 102, and 229 to New England vs #29.

Great haul for New England.  They now have: 52, 59, 83, 91, 102, 226, 229, and 235.  Some ammunition to acquire a 5th or 6th Round pick as well.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 25, 2013, 03:06:35 PM
NE should have just taken Patterson themselves.  They got a great haul of picks, but this reeks of Belichick being too cute again.

I'm sorry, BPS.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 25, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
NE should have just taken Patterson themselves.  They got a great haul of picks, but this reeks of Belichick being too cute again.

I'm sorry, BPS.

Nah.  There were questions about Patterson's ability to understand a complex system and WRs are deep in the 2nd & 3rd Round.  Patriots could get better value with several talents still on the board for a lower cost and a probable better scheme fit too.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 25, 2013, 03:12:09 PM
That's true.  The Patriots real needs are not underachieving pathetically in the playoffs for the 7th year in a row AWWWW burn.

I'm really sorry, BPS.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 03:28:48 PM
Well.  I wanted a QB.  I got that.  And I wanted them to be able to draft a QB with all of them on the board so there would be no settling or mistaking who they liked.  I got that.  And they added another pick at 46 that will surely be a starter.  I got that too. 

What I didn't count on...and I probably should have factored it in given the power shift over there...is that Doug Marrone is a narcissist with giant grapefruits.  Barkley was safe.  Even Nassib was safe.  Of course everyone would laugh if you took them at 8...but you didn't!  You added another high pick in a deep draft...so taking them at 16...while still deemed a reach would be far more acceptable with the way it played out.  This...this is the biggest risk they could have taken.  He just put all his eggs in a basket that says "I can develop this guy in the next two years to be what he can be...not what he is".  I think that's overconfidence.  And I think it's short sighted since now I have to watch KEVIN KOLB play QB this year.  That's the real tragedy here.  Marrone better be right.  The odds say he is not.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
The only bright side to this is that the Jets started the "We really like Nassib so you better take him at 8!" smokescreen to try and get the Bills to let Austin slide.  So the Bills threw out how much they loved Austin to fire back.  And since the Bills weren't even interested in Nassib got to laugh as they called their bluff and traded Austin away to the Rams.  I laughed.  And then we picked and I remembered who we were.  Oh how I remembered.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 03:36:41 PM
Oh and I don't know if we have any Titans fans here...but 8 mil a year to one guard and 10th overall to another is Goddamned stupid.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 03:53:13 PM
Yep, when you have a QB who gets hurt when the wind blows and a RB who can fly if he gets blocks, bringing in two great guards is a bad idea.

You should probably stick to reading Buddy Nix's mind and still being wrong.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 04:05:17 PM
I said QB and that Nix doesn't have all the say.  I was right.  Keep trading picks for Qbs and drafting guys you have to go to the index of your draft guide to find.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
I said QB and that Nix doesn't have all the say.  I was right.  Keep trading picks for Qbs and drafting guys you have to go to the index of your draft guide to find.

Says the guy whose team just drafted a guy you'd have to go the index of a draft guide to find. Most people were talking about DJ Hayden going top 15 this week, I didn't agree with it, but they did. That Mike Mayock guy is one of them. Most people were also saying that Manuel would be lucky to go top 45. That guy the Raiders just traded a 5th rounder for will probably win more games than Manuel. That's the difference between having a GM with a plan, and a team owned by a guy who can't even remember what a quarterback does, which is obviously the only explanation for inking Kevin Kolb to a possible 13 million dollar deal.

Maybe you should stop trying to eavesdrop on conversations from the Bills laundry cart, and telling us a different story of what the Bills intend to do for every day of the month. It's hard to hear correctly when you have CJ Spiller's cum rag on top of your head.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
None of that made sense.  Everyone knew who EJ Manuel was...that's why they shouldn't have taken him.  And I'm sorry you're team is the only one that our fans laugh at...but I've been on QB from the beginning and have discarded all of the Guard and WR nonsense (and you were the one telling me how Guard was in play...with all you know and I don't) and said all offseason it was QB.  Guess what?  They took a QB.  I don't like the pick...but they took a QB.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 04:34:49 PM
I did mock them a Safety in the draft...but I immediately admitted if Buddy wasn't in charge all bets were off.  Buddy would NEVER take a QB in this draft.  He doesn't take one in any draft.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 04:35:42 PM
We're going to get the cripple fight meme in a second.  Enjoy your 3 win season and I'll enjoy mine.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 25, 2013, 04:36:14 PM
It's hard to hear correctly when you have CJ Spiller's cum rag on top of your head.

(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/13203.png&w=350&h=254)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
None of that made sense.  Everyone knew who EJ Manuel was...that's why they shouldn't have taken him.  And I'm sorry you're team is the only one that our fans laugh at...but I've been on QB from the beginning and have discarded all of the Guard and WR nonsense (and you were the one telling me how Guard was in play...with all you know and I don't) and said all offseason it was QB.  Guess what?  They took a QB.  I don't like the pick...but they took a QB.

Everything that I said make sense. You act like you can read all the minds of people in the Bills organization. It's actually amusing to have seen you stumble around all the QB's you said the Bills were going to pick, and then have them take another one. They didn't take Nassib or Barkley in the first round, everyone knew that would happen, except you.

I did mock them a Safety in the draft...but I immediately admitted if Buddy wasn't in charge all bets were off.  Buddy would NEVER take a QB in this draft.  He doesn't take one in any draft.

lol, so which of the 20 players you said they'd take is the one you actually thought they'd take? And yep, the general manager who runs the whole team during the offseason and takes all the blame for everything stupid in it doesn't run the draft. Okay guy. Some seriously mentalist type shit coming off your keyboard tonight.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 25, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
I can tell you what buddy would do.  Buddy isn't in charge anymore.  It's like when you could accurately mock the raiders the fastest bust in the draft when al was alive. 
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Smues on April 25, 2013, 04:52:16 PM
Te'o didn't go in the first round, and Desmond Trufant went 22. I'm happy with this draft.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 25, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
Anyway, first rounds I like

Jets: Got two defensive difference makers. Possibly the best players at two positions. Will be good to have a defense in place for the new QB in 2014, just like when Sanchez came into the league and they won games.

Rams: They said fuck character and drafted the best LB while accumulating plenty of picks to make up for what they gave away to get the best WR. Typical Jeff Fisher draft picks. Ogletree should replace Dunbar who SUCKS.

Titans: Got a future All-Pro guard to block for three good running backs and a QB who can't take a hit. Can't argue with that. The best 4-3 D pass rushers were gone or they may have gotten one of them.

Minnesota: Three legit first round picks, all guys who could have went top 20, one in the top five and one top 15. Enough said.


Maybe....

Cincinnati: Trying to replicate the New England duo. Remains to be seen if they can call the plays to make it work.

Miami: With all the additions they've made, maybe this is the missing piece...

Oakland: If Hayden's heart doesn't blow up again, great pick. Big maybe. Great work to get a second that shouldn't have been given away.


No

Dallas: Reach and a half.

Arizona: Wrong guard. Cooper over Warmack just doesn't make sense.

Kansas City: They took the wrong guy.

San Diego: They're looking for a franchise left tackle, but they took a right tackle, which means King Dunlap is going to have to play left tackle for the Chargers next year. That's an automatic loss to me.

Everyone else I don't think did well recouped some picks, or took a position they need anyway.

Players I'd like Oakland to give a look at tomorrow

Tank Carradine: BEAST.
Alex Okafor: Much the same.
Damontre Moore: Film is good, combine measurables are not. That's okay.
Manti Te'o: Yeah I'd fuckin' do it. It's a 2nd round pick, which is where I think value lies. The guy played like shit against Alabama, but over the course of the whole season he was a playmaker.
DJ Swearinger or Phillip Thomas: We need another long term safety option and these guys can bring the pain.
Larry Warford: Huge guard, can block like a motherfucker.
Kawann Short: May be available 3rd round
Jesse Williams: Massive defensive tackle
Khaseem Greene: I have a feeling this guy is going to be a special player. If Reggie could get him in the third round then...

Plenty of other players I like, but I prefer these ones. Please avoid any TE in the second unless their name is Ertz.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Smues on April 25, 2013, 05:19:35 PM
We're going to get the cripple fight meme in a second.  Enjoy your 3 win season and I'll enjoy mine.
(http://www.nuinitari.com/Cripple.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 26, 2013, 12:16:09 AM
Best Round 1 Values
IND: DE Bjoern Werner 1x24
CAR: DT Star Lotulelei 1x14
MIN: DT Sharrif Floyd 1x23
NYJ: CB Dee Milliner at 1x09

Floyd fell hard but Werner has a chance to be a special 3-4 Rush LB with his speed.  I also like Star more and think he's better value where he went (He has Top 5 talent).

A lot of surprising picks including Kyle Long at 1x20 (Thought he'd go 2nd-3rd Round given his off the field questions) and Travis Frederick at 1x31 (This dude was being mocked maybe early to mid 3rd Round at his highest!).
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 26, 2013, 12:18:05 AM
It's okay 909, you can put the Bills in the bad category. I don't think they should be there because:

a) They got an extra pick
b) They got the QB they wanted, and have a guy in place ahead of him to let Manuel develop at the pace he needs to.

As far as how I feel about him, he's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Great physical measurables, poor ability to combine all the different traits one needs to be a great pro passer (he has shown pocket presence, good reads, etc. but rarely all on the same play which is concerning especially at his age). I'll wait for him to boom or bust before I pass judgment, but I'm just happy they finally made an attempt to address the situation, even if I'm skeptical. He probably won't attempt more than thirty pass attempts this year so it seems like it'll be awhile before we find out.

Also, I knew about the Hayden story but I didn't realize ALL the different variables that had to be taken care of in order for him to not be dead:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/d-j-hayden-draft-miracle-story-probably-died-142612017--ncaaf.html

Incredible, and I like the new Raider philosophy of not taking ne'er do wells but rather godboys who appreciate life. Good on them.

Way excited for the draft tonight, lots of Buffalo's needs can be addressed with the two picks they've got. There's plenty of talent still available.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Linx on April 26, 2013, 01:20:00 AM
Chance Warmack is who i've wanted the Titans to take since the offseason began. Between Warmack and Andy Levitre the team might actually be able to block somebody now, something you'd think they would have taken care of before giving a RB $50 million+ but better late than never i suppose.

Plus as mentioned they'll hopefully keep Jake Locker from breaking long enough to find out if he's the solution at QB for the Titans or not, he's got the line and decent enough weapons to work with.

With one glaring hole taken care of they should spend the rest of the draft focusing on D. Find help at Safety, CB and all the pass rushers they can get and it will be a successful draft.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 26, 2013, 02:16:16 AM
Poor Geno Smith, now he isn't even considered the biggest snub of the first round. Who passed him? Manti Te'o is now the BIGGEST snub of the first round according to a LOT of columnists and reporters.

Te'o has become the new Tim Tebow. The King is dead, long live the King.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 26, 2013, 02:49:11 AM
So who's the best player available right now?

Carradine?  Cyprien?  Justin Hunter?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 26, 2013, 02:53:14 AM
Zach Ertz.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 26, 2013, 02:53:20 AM
We're going to get the cripple fight meme in a second.  Enjoy your 3 win season and I'll enjoy mine.
(http://www.nuinitari.com/Cripple.jpg)

I propose a season long Bills/Raiders challenge.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kinsey on April 26, 2013, 03:05:33 AM
Can't believe Elam fell to the Ravens. Here's hoping we now get minter
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kotzenjunge on April 26, 2013, 03:34:30 AM
I propose a season long Bills/Raiders challenge.
I think this has been in the making for years, personally.

Pack Pick: I approve of DE Datone Jones, though stamina issues bother me a little. I hope we go RB next round and I'm glad we didn't blow our first round on one in a year where no real first round talent was apparent. In addition to this guy, we've got last year's first rounder (and also a defensive player!) Nick Perry still to fully evaluate since he barely got on the field last year before being injured.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on April 26, 2013, 04:04:59 AM
And maybe Jerel Worthy will come back healthy at some point.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kotzenjunge on April 26, 2013, 04:10:37 AM
I know that just about every team could say this, but if we could just have like, half a season with our starters/high value draft picks that would help a whole lot.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on April 26, 2013, 04:13:52 AM
It'll be nice if John Jolly can contribute again.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kinsey on April 26, 2013, 04:25:29 AM
I hope as a kid everyone called him Jolly Johnny. That's what i call him at least.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 04:33:25 AM
Dunno what any Bills/Raiders challenge is supposed to be. They're obviously going to win more games next year, but neither team is going to make the playoffs. In the long run the Raiders are in great shape cap wise and in terms of flexibility to add pieces to the roster so I don't care what the Bills do, or hate them. Reggie loaded all the dead weight cap dumps onto this year which was a very wise thing to do. The Bills are for the most part stuck with what they got, and if it's good enough to be a playoff team remains to be seen. But with the QB they have now and the one they've taken, I don't think so.

A Raiders/Jets challenge would be a good idea. Now there's a team I hate and I argue with BZ all the time about it.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: snuffbox on April 26, 2013, 04:35:28 AM
I hope as a kid everyone called him Jolly Johnny. That's what i call him at least.

I called him Jolly Johnny until shit got too real
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 26, 2013, 04:37:42 AM
Yeah I actually like the Raiders, but I hate the Jets. I don't wanna get into any board challenge though, because after YPOVingus I've learned to not trust my team to protect the sanctity of my signature.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 04:44:01 AM
Protip: Never mock a player who visits Frisco to the 49ers

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN 1m

49ers GM Trent Baalke on Eric Reid not visiting:"Why would we want to advertise to the rest of the (NFL) that we have interest in a player?”
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 26, 2013, 04:46:42 AM
Bring it on, bitches
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 04:49:52 AM
Jets have made calls today to multiple teams to try to move up from 39th spot in second round to draft QB. Debated Geno Smith at No. 13.

-Schefter twitter
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 04:50:26 AM
Good plan.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 04:50:59 AM
They have to get ahead of the Eagles I would think. 
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 26, 2013, 04:51:23 AM
I dunno. Depends what we give up.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 04:52:25 AM
It isn't costing much to move up.  In the second it costs even less.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 04:52:44 AM
Jacksonville is a good bet to move down due to needing more picks for everything. I think it would cost a 3rd. Now that the Draft has been broken up like this, its gotta be a lot harder to get into the top spot on Day 2.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 26, 2013, 04:53:48 AM
I don't want the Jets to not pick for an entire round.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 04:54:05 AM
Also if the rumor is true that Jax likes Nassib...they can get him later.  He won't come off until at least Smith is off the board
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 26, 2013, 05:24:56 AM
Triple threat shitfest NFL proposal: Merde Prix

BZ, bps, 909 each represent their teams.

Negative points are awarded for losses, blowout losses, turnovers, blowing leads, starters injured or benched, lowest position in league-wide statistical categories, etc. Least shitty team controls the others' boardclothes for the duration of the NFL playoffs and wins a personalized mystery prize from me that I will legit mail to you
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 26, 2013, 05:29:42 AM
I'm in. Time put your shit where your mouth is.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 26, 2013, 05:32:41 AM
As long as you're not gonna send the winner a turd.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 26, 2013, 05:59:13 AM
I'm in. Time put your shit where your mouth is.

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Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 06:05:07 AM
Let someone else represent the bills.  In a rebuilding year where they install new systems on both sides of the ball it's not like they're going to win a lot.  And all their home games are early so when they drop those while learning shit they'll run out by the time they start improving and lose the late road games too.

Anyway...if the bills take a wr early today I think they're moving stevie Johnson to the slot.  They want Graham on he outside for his speed and they want another big wr on the other to be the "go up and get it" wr with Stevie...who is an almost undefinable receiver type anyway (he's not fast...he's not the strong possession wr type, he's not gonna out jump you for the ball...he's really an odd duck but he's open) creating a mismatch for someone either by drawing lesser DBS himself...or pulling the best in with him.  It's something they've wanted to do for a while but they never get that wr.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 06:08:28 AM
If bps isn't gonna be in let's just cut the Bills out of the equation.

I'm in. Raiders ain't gonna have leads to blow.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: fazzle on April 26, 2013, 06:12:23 AM
starters injured or benched


Is that really a negative thing in all cases though?  I mean if the backup starts performing better than the starter and they get left in there, wouldn't that mean the team is doing something right?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 26, 2013, 06:14:10 AM
Stevie...who is an almost undefinable receiver type anyway (he's not fast...he's not the strong possession wr type, he's not gonna out jump you for the ball...he's really an odd duck but he's open)

That's Stevie's gift, man. He is a wild card who runs his own routes and plays the corner rather than the preset play. That's how he gets open, and I find it befitting considering that his personality matches his style of play.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 06:17:22 AM
I've said it before but I don't think I've ever seen a better bad route runner (terrible good?...I don't know what I want here) than him.  He knows where he has to end up...and he gets there in the ugliest weirdest wrongest way possible.  I have never wondered why he was a 7th round pick.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 26, 2013, 06:22:33 AM
That's one of the reasons why he does so well against Revis. Revis has no idea where the fuck he's going.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 26, 2013, 06:26:24 AM
If you can confuse one of, if not, the best cornerback in the league then you may as well not fix what isn't broken. Stevie should just get in the huddle and be told get open, that's it. He'd excel.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 06:29:14 AM
I think that's easier to do, in fact, if they move him to the slot.  He would be allowed to break any direction and have more field to use.  But they have to take another WR first.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 06:53:46 AM
If Te'o's there at 42, expect the Raiders to take him. Reggie likes him.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 06:57:07 AM
I'd take him at this point.  It's hard to remember with all that's happened...but he is a good player.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 26, 2013, 07:27:21 AM
He disappeared against really good teams, that always worries me. But second round grade? Yeah, he's good enough to take a shot on then.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 26, 2013, 08:13:43 AM
Povy, step up and take the Bills in the Merde Prix. Beeps is scared of losing that stupid fuckin Wade the Duck avatar
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: fazzle on April 26, 2013, 08:15:54 AM
I'd step up, except I made a Bills sig bet last year and then I guess 909 forgot about it or something cause I never got anything when I lost.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 08:21:18 AM
I don't always collect my bets. I just take solace in knowing I was right.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 08:49:21 AM
I think Geno is going to go quickly once round 2 starts...but given the criticism he got for looking bummed yesterday as he fell...he should bring a newspaper or something so the cutaways to him are funny.  Doing the crossword, laughing at marmaduke, serious contemplation of the economy.  Have fun with it.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: fazzle on April 26, 2013, 08:52:32 AM
What are the odds that Nassib doesn't go until round 3 now?   He wasn't exactly thought of as a high prospect until Marrone became the Bills coach, right?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 08:53:53 AM
He was a 2nd or 3rd round guy that became a late first when they thought Buffalo would take him in the early first.   His coach passing on him for another QB can't help.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 09:10:22 AM
What are the odds that Nassib doesn't go until round 3 now?   He wasn't exactly thought of as a high prospect until Marrone became the Bills coach, right?

Very likely. It depends if the Bears want to hedge against Cutler leaving and shit like that.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 26, 2013, 09:38:41 AM
We 100% need a backup QB. If Minter, Arthur Brown, or (ugh) Teo are gone by our spot, I'm fine with getting a backup/possible future QB
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on April 26, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
......
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 10:05:14 AM
......

LOL
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 10:08:07 AM
GOODBYE SANCHEZ
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Cool, Bad, & Handsome on April 26, 2013, 10:09:50 AM
......

LOL

Figures the guy I shitted on the most is a Charger now. Ugh... Mel just compared Te'o to Seau. Guess Sammies are just like niggas and can only be compared to each other.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kotzenjunge on April 26, 2013, 10:10:23 AM
Bps is a fucking pussy. There is no one I associate in my mind with the Bills more than him and this motherfucker lives and dies by these sad sack assholes but he won't represent them in a team challenge. I'd ban the bastard from talking about the team until he took his rightful place as Annoyingest Bills Shitlord.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 26, 2013, 10:14:15 AM
But I know they're going to be bad.   Shouldn't someone who thinks the team might do ok play this game?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: fazzle on April 26, 2013, 10:20:01 AM
But they don't have to be ok.  They just have to be better than the Jets and the Raiders.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 26, 2013, 10:25:43 AM
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#gaymenfucking
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Amazing Rando on April 26, 2013, 11:09:10 AM
Tampa Bay drafted another corner. They are fucking sick of having a laughingstock of a secondary, that's for damn sure.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Flik on April 26, 2013, 12:04:48 PM
Good move. If they can even get one that pans out, along with Revis returning to normal, they've got a secondary that's good.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: MFer on April 26, 2013, 01:40:12 PM
Alright, the Lions first three picks are in the books. I'm OK with Ansah. Given the way the board played out, it almost had to be him or Milliner. Detroit gets their CB later anyways with Slay, a fast, physical corner with decent size and good ball skills. Warford was an excellent pick. I thought they would get him the 2nd, they got him in the 3rd. Finally, Detroit has a true road-grader on the interior line.

Obviously Ansah is the boom-or-bust pick that will determine the current regime's fate. He's gonna have to be a quick learner too. With a high pick, you can go safe, or you can go with someone who could be special. If Ansah pans out, him, Suh, and Fairley will wreck shit in the NFC North.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: fazzle on April 26, 2013, 01:43:36 PM
So how strong is Manuel's arm anyway?   With TJ Graham and now Marquise Goodwin on the roster, we'd be dumb to NOT at least attempt to bomb it all over the place.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 26, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
That's one of his biggest positives, but Kolb will probably be the starter this year.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 26, 2013, 01:59:53 PM
I like the Sio Moore pick a lot. Guy is gonna be angry after having seen his name in second round mocks, all those visits with the Steelers and...they didn't take him.

Watson was supposed to go around the time he was picked, but I don't really know as much about him as the other offensive linemen. I know he's big, super athletic, and a work in progress. And that he only allowed one sack at FSU last season. Sounds like a right tackle better than Khalif Barnes to me.

Reggie gets Alex Okafor early tomorrow and it's a great draft. Don't know why that guy is sinking. Gotta get a pass rusher in any case, and probably a running back too.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Krankor on April 26, 2013, 05:15:39 PM
I've been pretty unpleased with the Chicago Bears drafting so far. I'd be curious to see what their draft board looks like. It has to be written in tard scratch.

It seems like they're just reaching at each draft spot for predesignated needs regardless of who is the best available talent.

Round 1: We WILL draft an OL
Round 2: We WILL draft an ILB

They should have either tried trading out of their Round 1 pick to acquire more picks, or taken Eifert at that pick. Martellus Bennett is always hurt and barely a fringe top 20 NFL TE when he is healthy. Jermaine Gresham ranks higher than Bennett in skills and production and Cincy still couldn't pass on Eifert. It's always the same old bullshit with the Bears drafting.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brodypedia on April 26, 2013, 09:41:29 PM
I can't believe none of the Packer Nation came here to brag up Lacey.  Especially since the mock drafts had the Packers taking him in the 1st round.  Anyway if my local paper is accurate, Ted Thompson has 10 picks today after trading down twice. Should be a interesting day.

 109th,122, 146th,159, 163rd,167, 173rd,193, 216th and 232
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 27, 2013, 12:16:21 AM
Thoughts on New England

- Good value with Jamie Collins.  Has a lot of speed and can play a WILL in a 4-3 or DE/Rush LB in a 3-4.
- Aaron Dobson isn't as pure a route runner or as athletic as some of the other guys but can immediately be an outside WR who has hands of glue.  May be the best pure catcher in the draft.
- Logan Ryan is actually pretty similar to Devin McCourty but just not as good.  All-around CB who can do just about everything asked of him and plays physical in run support.
- Don't know much about Duron Harmon but Belichick has had success with players from Rutgers and had a successful "reach" last year with Tavon Wilson from another school he's had success with in Illinois.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The Art of Rasslin' on April 27, 2013, 02:47:38 AM
Me and HQ reppin' the AFC East in the chat. I'm really interested in seeing where the fourth round guys go and trying to figure out if they can at least be starters. Some of these guys will be hilariously bad though, for sure.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 27, 2013, 04:03:09 AM
Poor Matt Flynn is going to lose his job to another rookie named Wilson. 
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Aero on April 27, 2013, 05:13:37 AM
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Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 27, 2013, 05:21:21 AM
Jags must be hoping he can pull a Matt Jones...minus the drug busts.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on April 27, 2013, 05:23:56 AM
He's at least the second best qb on their roster lol
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brodypedia on April 27, 2013, 07:49:03 AM
I'm reading on CBS Sports that UCLA running back Johnathan Franklin has a good chance to beat Lacey out at RB, is this just due to the injury or is Franklin a real steal?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2013, 07:55:15 AM
Both steals where they were drafted. I'd look for a time share there, Lacy as the power guy, Franklin change of pace.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Edwin on April 27, 2013, 08:04:26 AM
Yeah, that's a combo of guys that should probably shove all but one of their scrubs from last year off the roster.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on April 27, 2013, 08:47:42 AM
Harris is probably going to be the guy they keep. 
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2013, 10:10:25 AM
@AdamSchefter 7:04 PM
Fact of day: Mel Kiper Jr. NEVER has taken a bathroom break during any draft. Ever. More impressive streak than Brett Favre's.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 27, 2013, 10:11:59 AM
@AdamSchefter 7:04 PM
Fact of day: Mel Kiper Jr. NEVER has taken a bathroom break during any draft. Ever. More impressive streak than Brett Favre's.

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Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft Thread
Post by: Bored on April 27, 2013, 10:22:50 AM
Damn did Chase Thomas rape a eight year old retarded boy in the last few days? Can't believe he isn't going to get drafted.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 27, 2013, 10:43:56 AM
Updated the Pro Day list in the first post...

23 of those guys listed ended up being drafted for those curious.  A lot of them worked their ways into the 6th-7th Round.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 27, 2013, 10:52:19 AM
Will also be updating the first post with the fast & furious UDFA signings.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 27, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
Fucking hell, guys... San Francisco picked up the Olympic discus throwing dude.  Lawrence Okoye

Another guy I'm pulling for is Army's Trent Steelman.  He'll be with Baltimore likely as a WR.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Bored on April 27, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
Fucking hell, guys... San Francisco picked up the Olympic discus throwing dude.  Lawrence Okoye

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Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 27, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
CHASE THOMAS New Orleans Saints

BIG GET
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2013, 11:41:07 AM
Duke WR Connor Vernon to the Raiders as UDFA. Was interested to see where he would land. White guy alert! He's a 6'0 receiver with good speed who runs great routes, like a Denarius Moore.  There's definitely a spot here for a guy who steps up in camp to make the team.

WR Da'Rick Rogers to the Bills, that's a good signing. Bad character but it seems like the Bills are really disregarding character this draft.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on April 27, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
Texans have been busy with the UDFAs:

Kansas State QB Collin Klein
Arkansas RB Dennis Johnson
Cincinnati RB George Winn
Florida DE Earl Okine
Fresno State P Andrew Shapiro
Georgia WR Marlon Brown
Illinois C Graham Pocic
Illinois State LB Evan Frierson
Kansas State LB Justin Tuggle
Miami(OH) WR Andy Cruse
Michigan LB Kenny Demens
Montana OL Jon Opperud
Ohio State FB/LB Zach Boren
Ohio State CB Travis Howard
Pittsburgh RB Ray Graham
SMU OL Bryan Collins
SMU OLB Ja'Gared Davis
Stephen F. Austin OLB Willie Jefferson
Texas A&M WR Uzoma Nwachukwu
Western Michigan OL Dann O'Neill
Louisville OL Alex Kupper
Notre Dame RB Cierre Wood
Ohio State S Orhian Johnson
Fresno State P Andrew Shapiro
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on April 27, 2013, 12:22:52 PM
Texans have been busy with the UDFAs:
Ohio State FB/LB Zach Boren
I don't know if this guy will be a good pro or any shit like that but he is a good player.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: MFer on April 27, 2013, 12:26:56 PM
Texans have been busy with the UDFAs:
Ohio State FB/LB Zach Boren
I don't know if this guy will be a good pro or any shit like that but he is a good player.

Eh, he's fine but I hate that fucker. OSU football's version of Aaron Craft.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 27, 2013, 12:27:41 PM
A couple guys I like that I've seen go...

- Vandy QB Jordan Rodgers to Jacksonville
- SMU RB Zach Line to Minnesota

Also pimping myself.  Had Renfree & Sorensen in my Top 10 QBs and both got drafted.  #11 Tyler Bray did not.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on April 27, 2013, 12:41:53 PM
Texans have been busy with the UDFAs:
Ohio State FB/LB Zach Boren
I don't know if this guy will be a good pro or any shit like that but he is a good player.

Well, he MIGHT stick as a fullback.  With Casey taking that ridiculous contract from Philly (not that I blame him), the only FB on the roster is that Clutts guy they traded for last year then never saw the field.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Broward on April 27, 2013, 12:43:44 PM
Wrong. You're forgetting the cat we signed from Jacksonville that had been MJD's main blocker the past few years. IIRC, his name is Greg Jones...
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Conspiracy_Victim on April 27, 2013, 01:06:56 PM
Wrong. You're forgetting the cat we signed from Jacksonville that had been MJD's main blocker the past few years. IIRC, his name is Greg Jones...

Oh shit that's right.  Yeah MJD was pissed about that.

Yeah Boren's not making it out of camp.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: GAYGENT OF OBLIVION on April 27, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Klutts was a washout in the BEARS blocking scheme. I can't believe he's even in the league
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Krankor on April 27, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
Chicago Bears Draft Round Up
Round 1 (pick 20): OG Kyle Long, Oregon
Round 2 (pick 50): ILB Jon Bostic, Florida
Round 4 (pick 117): OLB Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
Round 5 (pick 163): OT Jordan Mills, Louisiana Tech
Round 6 (pick 188): DE Cornelius Washington, Georgia
Round 7 (pick 236): WR Marquess Wilson, Washington State

UDFA's so far (not 100% confirmed on a few)[/b]
C PJ Lonergan, LSU
WR Marcus Rucker, Memphis
WR Josh Lenz, Iowa State
WR Mark Harrison, Rutgers
RB Michael Ford, LSU
P Tress Way, Oklahoma
DT Zach Minter, Montana State
DT Brent Russell, Georgia Southern
CB Demontre Hurst, Oklahoma

It looks like the Bears are starting with the line of scrimmage in terms of building this team up. Invested a lot of draft picks and a lot of free agent signings in the O-Line this off season. They clearly were horrible last year in that department. Hopefully this will help Cutler and the running game be more effective. I'm not expecting huge improvements this season, but this is a start.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Wizard of Maz on April 27, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Brad Sorensen repping Southern Utah University.

ThunderChickens CAW CAW
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: strummer on April 27, 2013, 04:17:37 PM
So the Giant strategy seems to be" fuck the back seven we're going to murder the QB with our D line"  It's worked in the past but when you get shit qb pressure seasons like last year happen.  I trust Reese but I'm iffy on this.  I guess he was sick of the busts at LB and DB he's drafted the last couple seasons
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on April 27, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
The Jet strategy is similar, except we still also draft corners. It's like drafting Vernon Gholston scared us.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Jaxxxson Mayhem on April 27, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
Where's Kiper to break down each team's draft?
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: Harley Quinn on April 28, 2013, 01:29:12 AM
New England Patriots Round Up
Pretty clear they are trying to overhaul their WR group (drafted Aaron Dobson & Josh Boyce, signed T.J. Moe & Kenbrell Thompkins) and LB group (drafted Jamie Collins, Michael Buchanan who can play DE/OLB, and Steve Beauharnais).

Also getting competition on both lines through UDFAs (OT Elvis Fisher, OT/OG Josh Kline, OG Chris McDonald who is Nick McDonald's brother, and OG/C Matt Stankiewich who played under Bill O'Brien) along with DTs Cory Grissom and Dwayne Cherrington.

I'll be interesting to see if any guys can crack ST.  SS Kanorris Davis of Troy, CBs Stephon Morris (Penn State), and Brandon Jones (Rutgers) are all candidates with some speed/ability to be backup depth but better potential to stick on ST.
Title: Re: 2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
Post by: 2GOLD on April 28, 2013, 01:33:12 AM
I had a feeling when they cut Lloyd and Welker they were looking desperately to get younger at WR and it looks like they definitely fired their guns at it.

The team as a whole needed to keep getting younger and I like what they did. But the offense will still need Gronk and Danny to stay healthy and if they can't, Brady is going to have to work with a lot of new guys to make things happen.