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Title: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Harley Quinn on October 19, 2018, 12:22:34 AM
I can't find numbers but IIRC I read that the length of games still was close to 3 Hours by the end of the season, which would necessitate a pitch clock inclusion for the 2019 MLB Season. Rule would be 18 Second Clock with no runners on starting May 1st if games were 2:55 or longer.

http://m.yesnetwork.com/news/article/2018/06/15/281364970

"Commissioner Rob Manfred announced earlier this week at the owners meetings in New York that the average contest this year is running 2 hours, 59 minutes, 49 seconds. The average was 3:05:11 a year ago." That was from June 15th.

Here's the breakdown of the LCS games this year. (worth noting that most of the ALCS started around 8:30 PM ET)

ALCS Game 1 - 4:03
ALCS Game 2 - 3:45
ALCS Game 3 - 3:52
ALCS Game 4 - 4:33
ALCS Game 5 - 3:35

NLCS Game 1 - 4:02
NLCS Game 2 - 3:32
NLCS Game 3 - 3:25
NLCS Game 4 - 5:15 (Went 13 Innings)
NLCS Game 5 - 3:35
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Thrasher on October 19, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
The problem is that teams use their bullpen a lot and some of them use bullpen games throughout the season, which makes the games longer.  I'd lessen the time between innings from two minutes to a minute and a half.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Harley Quinn on October 20, 2018, 04:34:58 AM
The problem is that teams use their bullpen a lot and some of them use bullpen games throughout the season, which makes the games longer.  I'd lessen the time between innings from two minutes to a minute and a half.

Maybe but I read that a breakdown was done a few years ago that basically said the time was all down to the "between pitches" slowness as opposed to pitching changes or even mound visits.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/apr/06/snapple/are-there-only-18-minutes-action-baseball-game/

"Instead, the culprit was the time between pitches, Brisbee found. He zeroed in on what he called "inaction pitches" -- balls, called strikes, or missed swinging strikes that didn’t result in the end of an at-bat or the advancement of a runner.

Brisbee found that 146 inaction pitches were thrown in the 1984 game, with 144 such pitches in the 2014 game -- an almost identical amount.

What wasn’t identical was the time those inaction pitches took up. In the 1984 game, inaction pitches accounted for 32 minutes and 47 seconds. In the 2014 game, they accounted for 57 minutes and 41 seconds. That’s nearly an 80 percent increase."
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on October 21, 2018, 07:23:15 AM
The Angels named Brad Ausmus their next manager
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on October 22, 2018, 01:50:27 AM
The Marlins are expected to announce the signings of Cubans Victor Victor Mesa and Victor Mesa Jr. The elder Mesa brother is 22, from his Cuban stats looks like a speedster. The younger Mesa is 17. Their father was one of the all time great players in post-revolution Cuba.

The Marlins are a garbage fire of a franchise but hopefully for them they can start to establish an identity. This is a good start.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on October 31, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
Willie McCovey has died at age 80.  One of the most feared hitters of his day.  RIP to "Stretch"
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on November 01, 2018, 12:44:11 AM
From SABR:

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/2a692514

McCovey had as much raw power as anyone who has ever played baseball. And one of its greatest gentlemen to boot.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on November 02, 2018, 12:50:12 AM
Couple more quick notes on McCovey. It took the Giants years to figure out what to do with him. McCovey came to the majors in 1959, hit .354 in 52 games and won rookie of the year. But the Giants had come up with Orlando Cepeda the previous year and it took McCovey four years to become a full time player. I think it's easy to estimate he lost at least 900 plate appearances early in his career, probably more than that. He played in a pitchers' era, in a pitchers' park. Bring him in today and even if he suffers the same injuries he still hits 600 home runs.

Major League Baseball started keeping Intentional Walks as an official category in the mid 50s. McCovey retired second all time after Hank Aaron, he's still fourth. McCovey was also intentionally walked 45 times in 1969, more times in a season than any other player not named Barry Bonds.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Thrasher on November 02, 2018, 03:09:36 AM
I can't find the tweet but some one posted that Willie hit 56 home runs at Jack Murphy in two seasons. The Murph wasn't a home run hitters park.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on November 02, 2018, 06:55:07 AM
I can't find the tweet but some one posted that Willie hit 56 home runs at Jack Murphy in two seasons. The Murph wasn't a home run hitters park.
52 HRs in 321 games with the Padres. Career at Jack Murphy McCovey hit 32 home runs in 222 games. It doesn't look impressive at a glance but McCovey had the highest home run percentage of any Padre hitter in the 1970s, including Nate Colbert.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Slayer on November 02, 2018, 08:37:51 AM
Two things I think of w/r/t McCovey:

1) He's #3 on the list of fewest ASG appearances for first-ballot HOFers with only six in twenty-two seasons, with only Frank Thomas (five) and Robin Yount (three, only one more than his MVP count) having fewer.

2) When Nolan Ryan name-dropped him after Jim Rome asked Ryan about his infamous head-pounding of Robin Ventura

"I'd only had two guys charge at me before then... the first was Willie McCovey, and the second was Dave Winfield, so by the time Robin charged at me I was just relieved to see a little guy..."
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 07, 2018, 04:31:40 AM
If not for injuries, McCovey probably would have hit 30+ HR in 9 straight years and was a HR shy (2 years at 39) of having 4 seasons with 40+ HR in that span.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on November 07, 2018, 05:09:01 AM
C.C. Sabathia re-signs with the Yankees for another year. He will be an interesting Hall of Fame case. Next season should push him past 250 wins. He has a career winning percentage over .600, he's 51st all time in pitching WAR and had a five year stretch of consecutive top five Cy Young finishes (and he won the award once).
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: claydude14 on November 09, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
I’m sure y’all saw the tweet from a United Center’s kid of Bryce Harper/White Sox... that would be damn interesting but the narrative is the Phillies.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on November 14, 2018, 10:21:58 AM
Jacob deGrom wins NL Cy Young.  29 of 30 first place votes.  Woooo hoooooo!!!

RIP pitcher wins
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Thrasher on November 15, 2018, 07:34:59 AM
Rob Manfred is still your MLB Commissioner. Also, Fox re-upped their deal with MLB, so more Joe Buck and John Smoltz calling World Series games.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Harley Quinn on November 16, 2018, 01:01:44 AM
Jacob deGrom wins NL Cy Young.  29 of 30 first place votes.  Woooo hoooooo!!!

RIP pitcher wins

Ian Snell won the AL Cy Young for Tampa Bay while Mookie Betts (w00t!) won AL MVP and Christian Yelich won for the NL MVP.

All deserving and no real surprises IMO.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on November 19, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
The Mariners have traded James Paxton to the Yankees
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on November 26, 2018, 07:00:34 AM
Josh Donaldson and Brian McCann to the Braves on one year contracts. Braves are spending $23 million on Donaldson but I think it's a good low risk, high reward signing for them.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on November 28, 2018, 01:37:36 AM
The Athletics unveiled their proposed new ballpark. This is actually something unique and I hope it comes through:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/A-s-propose-jewel-box-ballpark-for-13426272.php
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Bladelock on November 29, 2018, 07:34:42 AM
Cubs trade Tommy La Stella to the Angels for Cash and a player to be named later

Kind of bums me out as that dude was one of the best pinch hitters in baseball and I always liked him.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on November 30, 2018, 02:19:27 AM
A list to kill time while we wait for a Robinson Cano trade.

Best MLB Players of the Last 50 Years (by WAR)
Looking at 1969-2018. So any playing time before 1969 doesn't count, which is why you won't find Hank Aaron and Willie Mays.

C Johnny Bench
Gary Carter takes over after 2019 when Bench's career fades further into the rearview mirror.
1B Albert Pujols
2B Joe Morgan
Morgan will hold this spot until either Robinson Cano passes him, or after 2021 when he loses enough ground to Lou Whitaker
SS Cal Ripken
Alex Rodriguez is number one if you rate him as a shortstop. Rodriguez played a plurality of his games at short.
3B Mike Schmidt
Adrian Beltre falls short of Schmidt, but he is in second place about Boggs, Brett and Chipper Jones
LF Barry Bonds
CF Ken Griffey Jr.
Mike Trout is fourth. A 5.5 win season will move him to second place.
RF Larry Walker
I don't know if I'm sold, but Walker was a hell of a player.
DH Frank Thomas

SP Roger Clemens
SP Greg Maddux
SP Randy Johnson
SP Bert Blyleven
SP Tom Seaver
People may dismiss Blyleven as a compiler. Number six is Niekro and he is this high for the same reason. Number seven is Pedro if you're looking for peak.

CL Mariano Rivera

LHRP Billy Wagner/John Hiller (tie)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: pujoljunkie on November 30, 2018, 03:22:56 AM
I'm probably supposed to hate this Cano trade, but I don't.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: KingPK on November 30, 2018, 04:54:50 AM
Craig Kimbrell is looking for a minimum six-year deal.  Good luck with that, dude.

Why haven't they given Mookie all the money yet?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on November 30, 2018, 05:24:52 AM
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I'm probably supposed to hate this Cano trade, but I don't.


yeah same with me

also looks like Noah Syndergaard will be traded.  It was a pleasure to watch him pitch. I'm not sentimental about sports that much anymore but this one kinda hurts
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on November 30, 2018, 12:25:22 PM
I'm probably supposed to hate this Cano trade, but I don't.

Because it's not a bad trade for the Mets. They are getting a guy who can hit for average and has pop, even after his PED suspension he hit the cover off the ball. Plus, playing for the Yankees, there's no need to worry if this will be a Jason Bay situation with a guy who can't perform in a big city. They're also getting a stud closer who has 4 years left on his contract. I hate people who bitch about trading prospect. The Mets have an awful history of "top prospects." When was the last one that actually came to be anything? Plus, they're unproven and the people bitching have never seen them play, they're just pissed because they've read a few articles about how they're supposed to feel about them. Do it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 03, 2018, 07:05:03 AM
The Cano trade I'm on the fence about. He probably becomes a first baseman by 2021. Edwin Diaz is elite, but that doesn't do you much good if you can't get the lead to the bullpen to begin with. But they didn't really give up significant pieces either.

The Phillies traded Carlos Santana and J.P. Crawford to the Mariners for Jean Segura, Juan Nicasio and James Pazos. Great, great trade for the Phils. They solidify themselves at shortstop and move Rhys Hoskins back to first base where he belongs without giving up any prospects at all (unless there's a hidden surprise). The Mariners are just dumping salary at this point.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 04, 2018, 06:58:14 AM
Patrick Corbin is a National. Seems like every transaction this offseason sends more talent to the National League East.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Baby Shoes on December 05, 2018, 09:18:15 AM
I guess the Diamondbacks officially give up.

They just traded Goldschmidt to the Cardinals.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: KingPK on December 06, 2018, 03:32:31 AM
Boston is close to signing Nathan Eovaldi.  I hoped they would reach a deal because he's great depth for that rotation and he deserved a good contract after last season and the playoffs.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Cartman on December 06, 2018, 07:41:13 AM
4 Years 67.5 Million for Evoaldi, I like the guy and what he did this past season, but that's a ridiculous overpay.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: The King of Trash on December 06, 2018, 09:15:49 AM
Alex Rodriguez is number one if you rate him as a shortstop.

and people will still shit on this legend smfh
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Baby Shoes on December 06, 2018, 11:29:09 PM
Alex Rodriguez is number one if you rate him as a shortstop.

and people will still shit on this legend smfh

(http://www.jamespreller.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/alex_rodriguez.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 07, 2018, 02:36:15 AM
Purely by statistics, Rodriguez is the second best player of the last fifty years (behind Barry Bonds). If you disqualify Bonds and Rodriguez, that makes Rickey Henderson the best player. Chew on that a moment.

All time Rodriguez is #2 in Wins Above Replacement among shortstops (trailing only Honus Wagner) who played at least 40% of their games there. He's #4 among all infielders (behind Rogers Hornsby and Eddie Collins). That era is such a long time ago that I really doubt those stars could play as well in today's game. Rodriguez barring a steroid penalty is honestly in the G.O.A.T. discussion.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 11, 2018, 07:01:47 AM
Andrew McCutchen is a Phillie. I like it. 3 years.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: The King of Trash on December 11, 2018, 10:29:01 AM
Purely by statistics, Rodriguez is the second best player of the last fifty years (behind Barry Bonds). If you disqualify Bonds and Rodriguez, that makes Rickey Henderson the best player. Chew on that a moment.

All time Rodriguez is #2 in Wins Above Replacement among shortstops (trailing only Honus Wagner) who played at least 40% of their games there. He's #4 among all infielders (behind Rogers Hornsby and Eddie Collins). That era is such a long time ago that I really doubt those stars could play as well in today's game. Rodriguez barring a steroid penalty is honestly in the G.O.A.T. discussion.

Do you think people are right in saying his less-than-stellar playoff stats means he's not worthy of that discussion?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Gert on December 11, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Andrew McCutchen is a Phillie. I like it. 3 years.

Agreed. I think this is a good deal, and one it would be nice if teams tried to model in the future. It's funny when the Phillies owner talked about spending "stupid money" in the off-season this seemed like a 5/75 instead of 3/36.



Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 12, 2018, 12:41:20 AM
Purely by statistics, Rodriguez is the second best player of the last fifty years (behind Barry Bonds). If you disqualify Bonds and Rodriguez, that makes Rickey Henderson the best player. Chew on that a moment.

All time Rodriguez is #2 in Wins Above Replacement among shortstops (trailing only Honus Wagner) who played at least 40% of their games there. He's #4 among all infielders (behind Rogers Hornsby and Eddie Collins). That era is such a long time ago that I really doubt those stars could play as well in today's game. Rodriguez barring a steroid penalty is honestly in the G.O.A.T. discussion.

Do you think people are right in saying his less-than-stellar playoff stats means he's not worthy of that discussion?
No. Rodriguez had an .822 OPS in the postseason which is not his regular season production but not useless either. Rodriguez hit .365/.500/.808 in the 2009 postseason which should have put it all to rest.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 12, 2018, 12:56:49 AM
Andrew McCutchen is a Phillie. I like it. 3 years.

Agreed. I think this is a good deal, and one it would be nice if teams tried to model in the future. It's funny when the Phillies owner talked about spending "stupid money" in the off-season this seemed like a 5/75 instead of 3/36.
I noted this on Twitter:

Phillies RFs (2015-2018): .241/.301/.388
Andrew McCutchen (2018): .255/.368/.424

The Phillies have been getting sub-replacement production from RF for the last four years. Last year Altherr and Williams combined for -1.8 WAR. Williams and Saunders in 2017 were -0.6. (Altherr was better but he played half his games in left). Peter Bourjos and Altherr combined for -0.2 in 2016. 2015 the Phillies had Jeff Francoeur, Grady Sizemore and Domonic Brown and they all combined for -1.9. Even if I give them all the credit for Altherr in 2017 (1.7 WAR), that's still almost three wins below replacement. It's hard to imagine McCutchen even at the end of the deal being worse.

One possible bonus, McCutchen has 25 more home runs in his career on the road. This is the first time in his career McCutchen's home park will have a shorter left field fence.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 12, 2018, 05:57:14 PM

The Dodgers badly need bullpen arms. Also, this guy lives in my city during the offseason and I'm pretty sure I've seen him before.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on December 12, 2018, 10:18:39 PM
Mets sign Jeurys Familia. 3 years/30 million.  Not feeling this move
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on December 16, 2018, 08:46:06 AM
Mets sign Wilson Ramos to a 2 year deal
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 16, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
This seems like the most active the Mets have been in some time.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Smues on December 19, 2018, 03:26:10 AM
Safeco Field is now TMobile Park. Boo-urns.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Bladelock on December 19, 2018, 04:02:07 AM
More allegations about Addison Russell treating women like shit are out. The Cubs really need to cut ties with this scumbag.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: strummer on December 20, 2018, 03:35:27 AM
not official but looks like Manny Machado is going to sign with the Yankees
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 21, 2018, 05:08:02 AM
Athletics signed RHP Joakim Soria to a two-year, $15 million contract.

Athletics acquired INF Jurickson Profar, Rays acquired RHPs Emilio Pagán, Rollie Lacy and 2019 competitive balance draft pick and Rangers acquired LHPs Kyle Bird, Brock Burke, RHP Yoel Espinal, INF Eli White and international slot compensation in a three-team trade.

Profar's seemingly been due to "breakout" for a while and sort of did last year with 35 Doubles and 20 HR so it'll be interesting to see how he does with Oakland.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on December 21, 2018, 07:11:46 AM
25 year old who can play shortstop and hit 20 HRs, that's certainly valuable in itself. If Profar never improves the A's still have a useful player. If he does improve they have a potential All Star.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Flik on December 21, 2018, 08:05:49 AM
Kemp, Puig and Woods heading to the Reds.

Jeter Downs, Josiah Gray, and a second round heading to the Dodgers.

Salary dump? That's all I got here.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on December 21, 2018, 08:08:42 AM
Yeah they want Harper and/or Kluber and/or Pollock.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Hawk 34 on December 21, 2018, 08:31:37 AM
Most importantly Homer Bailey is gone.  I’m good with this trade.    Didn’t really give up a big name prospect.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Dandy on January 11, 2019, 09:45:01 AM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/players-avoiding-arbitration-national-league-2.html

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/players-avoiding-arbitration-american-league-2.html

Arbitration filing day. As expected, lots of players settled with their teams on one year deals to prevent arbitration hearings.

The Reds have made out like bandits so far compared to the projected salaries by MLBTR:

Tanner Roark           $10M          ($9.8M proj)  +$200K
Yasiel Puig               $9.7M         ($11.3M)       -$1.6M
Scooter Gennett       $9.775M     ($10.7M)        -$925K
Anthony DeSclafani  $2.125M     ($2.1M)         +$25K
Jose Peraza              $2.775M      ($3.6M)        -$825K
Curt Casali               $950K         ($1.3M)        -$350K
Michael Lorenzen      $1.95M        ($1.9M)       +$50K

Total savings versus projections = $3.425M

Alex Wood has not been announced as settling, so he will be the only player to head to arbitration. He has been projected at $9M.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on January 15, 2019, 06:36:19 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/former-pitcher-john-wetteland-arrested-on-child-sex-abuse-charge/ar-BBSi0kB

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Former All-Star pitcher John Wetteland was arrested on a child sex abuse charge Monday, according to Denton County jail records.

The 52-year-old Wetteland is accused of continuously sexually abusing a child under the age of 14. Wetteland posted $25,000 bond.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: claydude14 on January 16, 2019, 01:27:50 PM
Really hoping Machado and Harper sign soon. Tired of wading through Twitter rumors as a White Sox fan
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Amy pats fan on January 17, 2019, 07:32:12 AM
Yankees signed Adam Ottavino for 3/27.  The bullpen is stacked yet again with Chapman/Britton/Bettances/Green/Ottavino/Holder and more depth in the minors.  I like our rotation better than most, there's questions with everyone in it for sure, but the ace bullpen makes up for it

Reportedly close to dealing Sonny Gray now too

I like Cash's offseason moves so far, Tulo was a super low risk gamble and DJ will be a very useful super utility guy.  And I still think a big trade from infield/prospect surplus is possible, and you can never rule out an 09 Tex like FA splash for Harper or Machado
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: KingPK on January 17, 2019, 07:59:25 AM
I guess this will be another year where the big FA fish aren't caught until pitchers and catchers report. 
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on February 07, 2019, 07:15:15 AM
I'll hit on the Realmuto trade later, but the big news of the day is Frank Robinson's passing. Not only a hell of a player but the first African American manager in the majors. One of the true towers of baseball.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on February 08, 2019, 12:09:50 AM
The Marlines traded JT Realmuto to the Phillies for Jorge Alfaro and two prospects, one of whom (Sixto Sanchez) was the Phillies #1. Sanchez has an electric arm but was hurt a good bit of last year and hasn't really been turned loose yet. It's a risk, but the Phillies are acquiring the best catcher of 2018 and I think you can justify this kind of move when you're a contending team acquiring elite talent.

Sam Miller on espn.com writes that of the Marlins' top 25 in WAR in franchise history, 23 have been traded. Only A.J. Burnett ever reached free agency. The other was Jose Fernandez.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Kahran Ramsus on February 08, 2019, 01:26:47 AM
RIP Frank
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Gert on February 08, 2019, 06:01:41 PM
The Marlines traded JT Realmuto to the Phillies for Jorge Alfaro and two prospects, one of whom (Sixto Sanchez) was the Phillies #1. Sanchez has an electric arm but was hurt a good bit of last year and hasn't really been turned loose yet. It's a risk, but the Phillies are acquiring the best catcher of 2018 and I think you can justify this kind of move when you're a contending team acquiring elite talent.

Sam Miller on espn.com writes that of the Marlins' top 25 in WAR in franchise history, 23 have been traded. Only A.J. Burnett ever reached free agency. The other was Jose Fernandez.

I like the trade for the Phillies. Admittedly I don't know a ton about Sanchez,but I like that the Phillies have two years of Realmuto on a bargain deal so he will be a tremendous value to them right now.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on February 19, 2019, 03:33:02 AM
Manny Machado to the Padres 10 years - 300 million

Hal, you cheap fuck
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Flik on February 19, 2019, 03:44:33 AM
That's all it took? Geezus. That's pathetic that no one could afford to pay him that.

I honestly don't doubt that another strike is going to happen now. Manny and Harper having to wait this long to be signed is stupid. Yes, they cost a lot, but this isn't like 30 year olds getting this type of money.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on February 19, 2019, 04:14:04 AM
The Padres are going to be an extremely good team by 2021.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Baby Shoes on February 19, 2019, 04:29:57 AM
I’m not the biggest Machado fan but that’s crazy and good to see him go somewhere unexpected.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Cartman on February 19, 2019, 05:20:47 AM
I love that the Padres spent the money, but that is a whole lot of money for a:

1. Scumbag
2. Guy that has 1 season above an 0.900 OPS so far, which I know isn't that fair since he's still only 27.

I still feel like this is going to be a Stanton like situation where he only plays for 3-4 years before they trade him to one of the big market teams.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 19, 2019, 05:25:13 AM
Manny is lazy as fuck.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on February 19, 2019, 06:46:45 AM
Machado has missed 11 games combined the last four seasons. Weird behavior for a lazy player.
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Post by: Cartman on February 19, 2019, 08:37:34 AM
Just because he physically plays in every game doesn't mean he's always trying :)
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Post by: Harley Quinn on February 19, 2019, 08:58:06 AM
Machado also has an opt out clause after Year 5.
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Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 19, 2019, 09:23:53 AM
I defended him to other Dodger fans very frequently, but there's only so many times you can see a guy come up in a key situation and swing at pitches in or near the dirt before coming to the conclusion that he may not care all that much.

When his decline comes, it will probably be very steep.
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Post by: alkeiper on February 20, 2019, 12:24:01 AM
Mets fans never forgave Carlos Beltran for taking a called third strike, and they never seemed to see it as a sign that he really cared. Laziness is vague charge and being a professional athlete is such a high level position that it is incredibly difficult to reach that spot while being lazy. I don't buy it.

In other news, Don Newcombe passed away at the age of 92. Newcombe was the third African American pitcher to integrate the majors (after Dan Bankhead and Satchel Paige). Won three pennants and a World Series with the Brooklyn Dodgers. Missed two more because of the Korean War. After his MLB career, Newcombe spent a year in Japan and was the second best hitter on the Chunichi Dragons.
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Post by: strummer on February 20, 2019, 07:27:37 AM
yeah remember Bobby Abreu was "lazy" because he wouldn't "run into" walls?  And he was always looking to walk in high leverage situations because he had no heart or something.  Odd criticisms indeed
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Post by: alkeiper on February 21, 2019, 02:31:06 AM
Mariners/Athletics exhibition game today. Our long national nightmare is over.

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yeah remember Bobby Abreu was "lazy" because he wouldn't "run into" walls?  And he was always looking to walk in high leverage situations because he had no heart or something.  Odd criticisms indeed

The frustrating part as an Abreu fan is hearing that stuff 15 years later as his Hall of Fame case is argued. Usually the players accused of being lazy are of a certain ethnicity. There are players who break themselves hustling all over the field and miss 20-30 games a season. There are players who are workmanlike and unexpressive and play 162 games. Pete Rose was the one player in history who could do both. I don't think we as fans can really tell. The truly lazy players wash out long, long before MLB and I don't think it's possible to coast on pure talent as it might've been 50 years ago.
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Post by: alkeiper on February 22, 2019, 02:03:41 AM
Let's try this again. Four games on the schedule today. Northwestern vs Red Sox and Athletics vs Mariners on MLB Network.
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Post by: Harley Quinn on February 22, 2019, 05:55:53 AM
Looks like it'll be an interesting battle coming up...

https://nesn.com/2019/02/dodgers-clayton-kershaw-says-he-will-completely-ignore-pitch-clock/

"I’m not going to pay any attention to it,” the Dodgers left-hander said Monday. “And if I go over it then I go over ... But I think there’s ways to fake it. If it looks like it’s winding down or something you can step off. I’m sure there are ways around it."
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Post by: alkeiper on February 22, 2019, 06:45:33 AM
I've never seen a pitcher actually penalized for it. In AAA the clock itself is the only visible evidence that the pitch clock exists.
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Post by: Zetterberg is Go on February 28, 2019, 06:08:01 AM
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Post by: Bladelock on February 28, 2019, 06:36:29 AM
No opt outs too and a no trade clause, so he has to live in Philadelphia for 13 years.

I wanted him really bad at a point, but that contract is insane for a guy that batted under .250 and had around a 1.5 WAR in two of the last three years. He might be good for 5 or 6 years, but I don't know how 34-39 year old Bryce Harper will look when your paying him 25 million a year.
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 28, 2019, 07:44:26 AM
The Phillies over spent, gave him a full no trade, and there is no opt out. This is the most Mets deal ever, and the Mets didn't even make it.
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Post by: Krankor on February 28, 2019, 07:53:54 AM
The Yankees will probably be paying the last 7 to 8 years of that contract.
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Post by: Cartman on February 28, 2019, 08:01:42 AM
The Yankees will probably be paying the last 7 to 8 years of that contract.
This. They love aging players with massive contracts that can't stay on the field.
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Post by: KingPK on February 28, 2019, 08:31:44 AM
The Phillies over spent, gave him a full no trade, and there is no opt out. This is the most Mets deal ever, and the Mets didn't even make it.

If last year didn't make me feel better about Price's deal, this sure as hell does.  I kinda am terrified now about what Mookie is gonna command in a few years.
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Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on February 28, 2019, 08:42:08 AM
The Phillies over spent, gave him a full no trade, and there is no opt out. This is the most Mets deal ever, and the Mets didn't even make it.

If last year didn't make me feel better about Price's deal, this sure as hell does.  I kinda am terrified now about what Mookie is gonna command in a few years.

16 years 425 million
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Post by: Big Beard Booty Daddy on February 28, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
The Phillies over spent, gave him a full no trade, and there is no opt out. This is the most Mets deal ever, and the Mets didn't even make it.

If last year didn't make me feel better about Price's deal, this sure as hell does.  I kinda am terrified now about what Mookie is gonna command in a few years.

Trout next year should be very interesting.
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Post by: Krankor on February 28, 2019, 11:06:04 AM
20 years 1 billion
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Post by: Gert on February 28, 2019, 12:36:22 PM
Looks like both Clay Buchholz and Bud Norris signed deals with the Blue Jays today.

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Post by: Thrasher on February 28, 2019, 12:37:51 PM
The Yankees will probably be paying the last 7 to 8 years of that contract.
This. They love aging players with massive contracts that can't stay on the field.

That's more of a George Steinbrenner thing.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on February 28, 2019, 01:36:10 PM
Clay was pretty solid for the Diamondbacks last year.  He just spent his career either surprising when expecting nothing or underwhelming if you have expectations. 
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Post by: Gert on February 28, 2019, 02:23:34 PM
I think those are both pretty good signings for the Blue Jays. I agree Clay played really well for the DBacks, so he will probably have some positive value for Toronto.

Seems like now on March 1st the big FA's left are:

Dallas Keuchel
Gio Gonzalez
Craig Kimbrel
Adam Jones
Ryan Madson



Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Firmino of the 909 on February 28, 2019, 02:48:16 PM
He might be good for 5 or 6 years, but I don't know how 34-39 year old Bryce Harper will look when your paying him 25 million a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=witWqqOpchs
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Post by: Harley Quinn on February 28, 2019, 09:53:24 PM
Dunno if I can get behind that Bryce Harper deal. He's no Mike Trout.

You're paying a guy a record $330 Million hoping you get the .319/.330 BA guy and not the .250 or .270 hitter who slugged under .500. His 2015 is looking more like a major aberration career year than the norm to expect but I guess the Phillies are hoping he'll do better in a more favorable HR park while playing 4-6 years in the "prime" of his career.
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Post by: alkeiper on March 01, 2019, 12:43:57 AM
A lot to digest in the Harper deal obviously. It's easy to get fixated on the low batting average, but Harper led the NL in walks and had a .393 OBP last season. I don't expect Harper to hit over .300 most of the time. But his career batting average is .279 and that's more than acceptable. Harmon Killebrew's was .256, Reggie Jackson's was .262 and they're both in the Hall.

As far as the money, the reality is this is the only way the Phillies will acquire a player of this caliber and potential. They can wait around 5-10 years and hope a farm player pays off. They traded their #1 prospect and got J.T. Realmuto. They can either overpay for Harper or they can put a big pile of money in right field and see if it can catch a fly ball. This is baseball economics. $22 million a season a decade from now? That can be a complete sunk cost and it's also chump change. Of course Harper will be a liability by then. My hope is that he's basically Matt Stairs. But is that worse than being the Pittsburgh Pirates, admiring all the money you're not wasting and finishing fourth every year?

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Post by: alkeiper on March 05, 2019, 03:37:03 AM
One historical tidbit with the talk of contracts. In the 2000-01 offseason before they moved into PNC Park, the Pirates agreed to a $60 million contract extension with Jason Kendall. Nearly 20 years into an existence at a park the Pirates needed to be financially competitive, and they still have not issued a larger contract.

Seriously. Your projected payroll is about $74 million. You won 82 games in 2018, 91 would get you in the playoffs. Your shortstop is leaving via free agency and your incoming shortstop is the Indians' utility infielder. You have less than $20 million committed after the season, you have gaping holes in your infield, a clear benefit for marginal wins and you're not interested in a free agent who can play shortstop and hit 35 HRs a season? GTFOH.
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Post by: Baby Shoes on March 11, 2019, 10:38:31 AM
GUess we should start a spring training thread but since there isn’t one, the Diamondbacks just picked up Adam Jones
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Post by: alkeiper on March 12, 2019, 12:40:33 AM
One of the more curious spring training developments is that Mike Moustakas, who has never played an inning at second base in the majors or minors, will be the Brewers' starting second baseman.
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Post by: Thrasher on March 12, 2019, 02:26:10 AM
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/chicago-cubs-mike-zagurski-hefty-pounds-donuts-milwaukee-brewers-japan-philadelphia-phillies/
The Chicago Sun Times want a Polish pitcher on the Cubs. I wonder why.
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Post by: alkeiper on March 14, 2019, 03:43:20 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rules-changes

Summary:

-Shorter Inning Breaks. YES!

-August Trade Deadline eliminated. July 31 is the final day for trades. Probably kills a bit of interest for down and out teams hoping to scrap something from a late trade, but good for fair competition. Also saves us explaining the waiver trade process every year.

-Second round of All Star voting. All voting is really a vehicle to advertise Camping World or whatever. I don't get worked up about it anymore.

-Home Run Derby winner gets $1 million. Nice gimmick.

-Less Mound Visits. From six to five. Positive, this is an invisible change anyway.

-Roster changes in 2020. 25 man roster increases to 26, expanded roster in September decreases to 28. GREAT for minor league fans. Good for competition. Bad for minor league players who would get big league money in September. Do like this overall.

-Position players aren't allowed to pitch unless it's a six run game or extra innings. This is kind of confusing as written as there's a loophole to allow Shohei Ohtani to do his thing, but it closes if Ohtani doesn't pitch 20 innings this year. Requires clarification.

-Three batter minimum for relievers.

-Disabled list will be restored to 15 days.
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Post by: Harley Quinn on March 14, 2019, 05:37:10 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rules-changes

Summary:

-Shorter Inning Breaks. YES!

-August Trade Deadline eliminated. July 31 is the final day for trades. Probably kills a bit of interest for down and out teams hoping to scrap something from a late trade, but good for fair competition. Also saves us explaining the waiver trade process every year.

-Roster changes in 2020. 25 man roster increases to 26, expanded roster in September decreases to 28. GREAT for minor league fans. Good for competition. Bad for minor league players who would get big league money in September. Do like this overall.

-Three batter minimum for relievers.

-Disabled list will be restored to 15 days.

My thoughts
#1: Good, especially the lowering breaks from 2:25 to 2:00 for national games. Should make games go much faster in general.
#2: I really like this as the 'Trade Deadline' should be an actual deadline. It may harm lesser market teams swinging late deals but it also ensures at least 2 Months for "Rentals" and adds some excitement for the actual day from a marketing/PR standpoint.
#3: Another one I really like. Should help minor leagues keep a fuller roster, lets players who may've just rotted away on the bench in the Majors get legitimate playing time, and forces teams to be smarter about which players they want to call up at the end of the year. Could also effect the trade deadline if a team that sucks decides to try and see what they have in younger talent shipping off older veterans.
#4: RIP Loogys but I'm a fan of this as well. Given how deep bullpens are nowadays, there's no excuse to have a RP who only faces 1 or 2 batters.
#5: I don't care about this either way. Feels like a move partly aimed towards 'fantasy' but it does help alleviate some of the roster chaos of calling up a guy for 3 games only to send them down by the end of the week and accrue lesser 'Service Time' then they may have warranted in another situation.
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Post by: alkeiper on March 14, 2019, 06:02:32 AM
Thoughts on the three batter minimum:

One of my prime complaints over the last couple years is the sheer number of pitchers that shuffle through major league rosters. The Colorado Rockies used the least number of pitchers last season, 21. The Toronto Blue Jays used 36 pitchers. It's difficult to get emotionally invested in a game when the participants feel like random individuals. In my opinion, any move that forces managers to keep pitchers in longer is good for baseball.

Strategy wise it's a push, maybe a net positive. You can change pitchers between innings so you might go to your lefty in a tight spot with two outs knowing that if he doesn't get his batter, he has to stay in. I didn't think I would like it but the more I think about it, I like it.
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Post by: Gert on March 14, 2019, 01:09:39 PM
I guess to me should there be a max on PH's per inning or per game? Don't get me wrong the pitching changes can be excessive, but I still think it can be strategic.

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Post by: Thrasher on March 14, 2019, 03:50:20 PM
Mike Zagurski won't have a job after the rule change.  :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: alkeiper on March 14, 2019, 11:52:38 PM
Mike Zagurski won't have a job after the rule change.  :'( :'( :'(
He didn't have a job before the rule change either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by: alkeiper on March 15, 2019, 02:05:45 AM
I'm killing time at work looking at MLB rosters, and I'm working my way up from the worst teams. Some capsule thoughts:

-Orioles. I actually find the Orioles a little interesting. A lot of their players are 23-26 years old and should improve. Not enough to get out of last place (I haven't studied the Blue Jays), but there could be some fun individual success stories.

-White Sox. Until Eloy Jimenez gets called up there's not much to get excited about. If they actually take a lead into the ninth inning they have Alex Colome. Maybe Yoan Moncada takes a step forward?

-Royals. Just looks like a bad team. They have a few players like Merrifield, Mondesi and Hamilton who can run, which I appreciate.

-Rangers. Joey Gallo is one of the most interesting players in baseball. Rob Deer hit 230 career home runs while hitting .220. Gallo is even better than that. Their pitching staff is a collection of veterans trying to reestablish their careers. But a team that will struggle to finish out of the basement.

-Marlins. Maybe the worst team in baseball. I can see why you would go to an Orioles game, or a Rangers game. Why the hell would you go to a Marlins game? To see if the guys with 9:1 K/BB ratios run into a home run?
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Post by: Thrasher on March 15, 2019, 02:54:28 AM
-Marlins. Maybe the worst team in baseball. I can see why you would go to an Orioles game, or a Rangers game. Why the hell would you go to a Marlins game? To see if the guys with 9:1 K/BB ratios run into a home run?

They moved the Marlins statue outside the park. Imagine if the Mets did the same with the Big Apple.
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Post by: Amy pats fan on March 18, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
Yankees signed Gio Gonzalez to a minor league contract.  There's a 4/20 opt out, and if he makes the roster he gets $3m with games started incentives

Never been the biggest fan of his, but can't argue with the price and depth is a need with the injuries to Severino and CC.

I know a lot of Mets fans wanted him, and I'm surprised the Mets wouldn't match or exceed that offer
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on March 19, 2019, 02:32:36 AM
It feels like there's no demand. And for a pitcher who made 32 league average starts last season, that's bizarre.
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Post by: alkeiper on March 19, 2019, 02:50:53 AM
The Angels appear to have signed Mike Trout to a huge extension. Total of $430 million, 12 years. Obviously a good deal for the Angels. They will never acquire another player as good as Trout. A few more capsule team thoughts. I doubt I'll hit all 30 teams but I enjoy doing this.

Los Angeles Angels: Most teams in baseball are either in championship cycles or tanking to get to the next cycle. The Angels are the one team that bucks the trend. They have Trout and they try to cobble together whatever resources they can to build the best team possible. It's a good team if everything clicks, but terribly thin. Besides Trout they have Andrelton Simmons who might make a heated Hall of Fame debate someday. Justin Upton, Shohei Ohtani are there. They also have a reliever named Buttrey.

Seattle Mariners: The Mariners sent J.P. Crawford to the minors because making certain they have a league average shortstop in 2025 is of the upmost concern. A team like that doesn't give a shit about 2019 and after Ichiro plays in Japan this week, it'll be hard to feign interest. Biggest question is if Felix Hernandez can find his footing and start a career resurgence to push him to the Hall.

Oakland A's: Their win total last year was fluky and it's hard to see them repeating that. But Khris Davis is as powerful as any hitter in baseball, Franklin Barreto is coming up and Jurickson Profar could blossom. I feel like they're more interesting than two sentences, but here we are.
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Post by: Krankor on March 19, 2019, 03:13:30 AM
JP Crawford, at best, is a league average shortstop.
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Post by: Krankor on March 19, 2019, 03:57:44 AM
I find this deal and the other mega contracts interesting. Teams basically have a benchmark for megastars now.

No one, and I mean no one, is worthy of a contract larger than Trout's. 12 yrs - 430 mil.

Nolan Arenado's 8 yr extension of 260 mil set the bar for 3b. Kris Bryant imo should get less than Arenado. Machado I also consider a 3b since that is where he will play id at 30 mil per yr. Is Bryant worth that much? I'm not sure. Statistically, Machado had been better.

Interesting tweet from Jayson Stark:
Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, Nolan Arenado: $1.32 billion worth of contracts just for four guys. Tampa Bay Rays total payroll in franchise history: $1.01 billion worth of contracts - for 21 seasons! Fascinating times in baseball.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on March 19, 2019, 05:29:28 AM
Bryant had a higher WAR in 2015, '16 and '17 than either Machado or Arenado had in 2018. 2018 may have been an aberration for Bryant and who knows exactly what his profile will look like in 1-3 years. Bryant will be nearly 30 when his free agency card comes up and that will limit his future earnings more than anything. Harper and Machado got paid because they reached the majors as teenagers.

Mookie Betts is the player to watch. He has two more years until free agency and just hit .346, went 30/30 and plays elite defense. He's probably worth $300 million, but the Trout contract sets a cap on his value to some extent.

As an aside, can we stop and admire Betts' 2018 season for a moment? Bill James compared Betts to Willie Mays. The difference between Betts and Mays is that Betts has one season of that quality under his belt. Mays did it for a decade. But Betts last season was absolutely of that caliber.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: Gert on March 19, 2019, 02:52:28 PM
Feel like the Trout contract at least nets Mookie $350-375 million, and the tax of the Red Sox not wanting to lose him may push him to $400 million.

As a side note I am very interested to see what happens with Dallas Keuchel. I'm sure he and his agent want more locked in money, but at some point I would think about taking a 1/25 (if it's out there as a mercenary), put yourself in a weak division or a good team that will make the playoffs and try to net a 2 year deal in 2020.

Interesting that the Braves are following him but are worried about having to give up a comp pick.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on March 20, 2019, 01:47:33 AM
Gio Gonzalez claims the Yankees were the only team to offer him a contract. I wonder if any team has even made a serious offer for Keuchel. It doesn't feel like there's a pursuit.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: sfaJack on March 20, 2019, 02:21:32 AM
Local reports are the Astros offered Keuchel a couple of 1 and 2-year deals but that the dollars were "not close" to what he seeks
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread 2019: Pitch Clock Imminent?
Post by: alkeiper on March 21, 2019, 04:45:14 AM
More thoughts, finishing off the West.

Houston Astros: The 2017 Astros had an all time great offense. 2018 was a disappointment for the offense, but the pitching staff led the league in run prevention. This is a team with three potential Hall of Famers in the infield and another Hall of Fame candidate at the top of their rotation. It's a damn good team.

Arizona Diamondbacks: A .500 team that lost Paul Goldschmidt, A.J. Pollock and Patrick Corbin. For me my interest in this team is primarily in Zack Greinke and whether he can reach 200 wins.

Los Angeles Dodgers: This team is a beast. With Clayton Kershaw hurt I worry about the depth, but if everything clicks they should cruise to huge win totals. I'll be interested to see what kind of players Cody Bellinger and Corey Seager develop into.

San Francisco Giants: Evan Longoria led the team with 16 home runs last year. That about sums up the excitement. If Buster Posey continues his decline, there's not much to watch here.

San Diego Padres: I love creating All Franchise teams. Here's a lineup for the Padres, leaders in WAR at the position they played the most games.

C: Gene Tenace (19.8)
1B: Adrian Gonzalez (20.4)
2B: Bip Roberts (12.5)
SS: Ozzie Smith (11.0)
3B: Chase Headley (18.6)
LF: Gene Richards (19.0)
CF: Kevin McReynolds (12.4)
RF: Tony Gwynn (69.2)

Now think about the team the Padres should field for the next 4+ years. Luis Urias at second, Fernando Tatis Jr. at short, Manny Machado at third, Manuel Margot in center. Francisco Mejia perhaps behind the plate. This team could have five of its all time lineup spots challenged in the upcoming decade. As far as the pitching, did I mention the offense is really good?

Colorado Rockies: Enjoying their best pitching staff in franchise history. Could use more offense, but you should never be in want of offense in that ballpark.