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Title: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Brodypedia on December 05, 2011, 01:37:31 AM
Quote
From Kevin Nash on twitter:

"Made up my mind, packing my wresteling gear. Someones getting a beat down in Tampa tomorrow night on Raw."
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Brodypedia on December 05, 2011, 02:04:26 AM
(http://h8.abload.de/img/nashvc5wg.gif)


Can't Wait! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBaYVo89mmY#ws)
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 05, 2011, 02:09:11 AM
Nash hasn't had hops like that since he played for Tennessee.
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Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on December 05, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
Haha, Cena's reaction is solid gold.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: BPSS on December 05, 2011, 02:42:31 AM
Best news in forever.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: A Happy Medium on December 05, 2011, 06:23:37 AM
So, who is the guy who can give give Nash five minutes and make it look good?  I have my money on Evan Bourne being re-welcomed to RAW.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 05, 2011, 08:05:57 AM
So, who is the guy who can give give Nash five minutes and make it look good?

Mason Ryan
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Post by: BorneAgain on December 05, 2011, 08:12:26 AM
I'd suggest Heath Slater, but a ginger beatdown that big would make Nash the biggest babyface on the roster.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: BPSS on December 05, 2011, 08:30:51 AM
I'd suggest Heath Slater, but a ginger beatdown that big would make Nash the biggest babyface on the roster.

and in my heart.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 05, 2011, 08:32:11 AM
It'll be Dolph Ziggler and no one here will know how to react.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Thrasher on December 05, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
It should be Jack Swagger, future JTTS.
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Post by: Monsoon Classic on December 05, 2011, 09:06:09 AM
Roddy Piper.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 05, 2011, 09:06:29 AM
It'll be Dolph Ziggler and no one here will know how to react.

Theme Songs - Diesel - Diesel Blues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWKcuonbQU0#) Theme Songs - Diesel - Diesel Blues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWKcuonbQU0#)

Dolph Ziggler NEW Theme 2011(CLEAR FULL) used RAW 7/25/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ABJletrs8#)
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Paperback Ryback on December 05, 2011, 09:22:00 AM
So, who is the guy who can give give Nash five minutes and make it look good?

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7657/captureruq.jpg)
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 05, 2011, 09:24:56 AM
Ziggler vs Sid for 2012 MOTY
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Monsoon Classic on December 05, 2011, 09:26:38 AM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hclot/greggvalentino.jpg)
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: BPSS on December 05, 2011, 09:28:52 AM
It'll be Dolph Ziggler and no one here will know how to react.

Or, Ziggler and Nash form an alliance with Ziggler playing the role of HBK and Nash playing the role of Nash.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 05, 2011, 09:36:32 AM
That road ends with Ziggler eating a Pedigree, you know.
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Post by: devo on December 05, 2011, 09:37:41 AM
Yeah, but that's every road.
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Post by: Jaxxxson Mayhem on December 05, 2011, 11:56:09 AM
http://tinychat.com/trtsmraw (http://tinychat.com/trtsmraw)
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: The Amazing Rando on December 05, 2011, 12:05:21 PM
It'll be Dolph Ziggler and no one here will know how to react.

Or, Ziggler and Nash form an alliance with Ziggler playing the role of HBK and Nash playing the role of Nash.

Vickie already plays a good Sid.
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Post by: Gary on December 05, 2011, 12:34:44 PM
Okay, I got a laugh out of Cena calling Laranitis "Dr Freud"
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Post by: HSJ on December 05, 2011, 12:37:35 PM
"Now whoever climbs the ladder first gets to use the sledgehammer."

Why not just use the ladder as a weapon? Or another sledgehammer? Or anything else?
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Post by: Wizard of Maz on December 05, 2011, 12:39:31 PM
I think the main stip is, "use without ramifications"
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Post by: Wizard of Maz on December 05, 2011, 12:40:36 PM
 Interrobang 7:38 pm
    They forgot about Brodus Clay didn't they?

 Kilroy 7:38 pm
    Yep. They forgot about Clay.

 Kilroy 7:39 pm
    Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got somethin' to say, but nothin' comes out when they move their lips. Just a bunch of gibberish. And motherfuckers act like they forgot about Clay.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: The Amazing Rando on December 05, 2011, 12:54:03 PM
So I am one to assume that at the PPV, Henry vs. Show will be a Chairs Match and the Raw Title Clusterfuck will be TLC Rules.  The other two stips could literally go to any of the other possible matches
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Wizard of Maz on December 05, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
I see Ryder somehow pulling off a win, or getting a Ziggler shot some other way at the PPV being the Table Match.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: The Amazing Rando on December 05, 2011, 01:02:06 PM
I could see them double-dipping on Ziggler AGAIN, with him and Swagger winning the tag belts in a ladder match or something but then the fatigue setting in on Dolph and causing him to lose to Ryder. Then they can continue the feud with Ziggler calling the victory a fluke and leading to Ryder winning a nice, competitive rematch.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Wizard of Maz on December 05, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
Yeah, I could see that.

Zach looked pretty good in there against Cena.
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Post by: devo on December 05, 2011, 01:17:42 PM
Cena gives up his title shots for the less fortunate! Stop booing him!
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Post by: HSJ on December 05, 2011, 01:18:18 PM
Hey John, if you felt this way the whole time why didn't you just lay down for Ryder?
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Post by: devo on December 05, 2011, 02:00:14 PM
God damn, even cool announcements fall flat when Johnny Ace makes 'em.
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Post by: The Amazing Rando on December 05, 2011, 02:03:36 PM
I don't like that WWE.com refers to non-title matches as"Title-Free", though that would be an awesome (and mildly ironic) nickname for a hard-up wrestler.
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Post by: DMann1979 on December 05, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
"If you say it's your destiny again I swear to Jeebus I'm gonna start drinking'"

Line of the night.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: BPSS on December 05, 2011, 03:06:50 PM
Cena gives up his title shots for the less fortunate! Stop booing him!

Lawler telling Cole to cheer Cena was a pretty-thinly veiled reference to the audience.
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Post by: Anakin Flair on December 05, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
I loved Lauranitis wishing Morrison the best in his future endeavors.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 05, 2011, 03:51:24 PM
HHH/Nash will be the worst ladder match in history.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 05, 2011, 03:53:42 PM
I don't get what's going on with Daniel Bryan.  They have him lose to an injured Mark Henry and then immediately after have him go out and lose because he's injured.  He better be turning heel because what they've taught us is that Bryan isn't good enough to beat an injured person and isn't tough enough to compete while injured.  What a boob.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 05, 2011, 03:58:41 PM
Maybe Ryder doesn't get opportunities because he loses 2 minute matches to Del Rio.  And "he deserves at least one" is such nonsense when he had one a couple ppvs ago...immediately after Ziggler had already wrestled a match...and he lost.  But Cena is a super guy so we should stop booing him.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 05, 2011, 04:02:02 PM
So Ryder loses to Cena then cries about it being all he has so Cena gives him the shot...  Then he cheats to beat Henry....  Then distracts Ziggler so he loses...  Then he jumps him after the match.

What a fucking dick.
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Post by: A Happy Medium on December 05, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
This was such a poorly booked RAW.  The crowd was dead most of the night because they kept getting fed one minute matches. 

They shouldn't have had Henry lose like that to Zack Ryder.  He shouldn't have even been in that match.  He has been an absolute, and he shouldn't be able to go down to one finisher at this point in his run.  You have Swagger RIGHT there to use in that spot.  Cena vs. Swagger is a decent match to set up for the next week. 

Of course, what pissed me off moreso was that the match pretty much turned Ryder into a whiner. 

Furthermore, if you're trying to sell this terrible ladder match between Nash and HHH, you have Nash have an actual hard fought match against a serious competitor.  That way, you can sell to the viewing public that Nash is just as good as he was fifteen years ago.  You could have used this segment to get Mason Ryan over as a future star as he goes down to the powerbomb.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 05, 2011, 04:21:34 PM
Mason Ryan vs. Kevin Nash would be worse than the HHH/Nash ladder match
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Post by: A Happy Medium on December 05, 2011, 04:24:08 PM
You'd think that as much as people talk up Nash that he could carry Mason through a watchable T.V. match.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 05, 2011, 04:28:26 PM
Nash isn't carrying anything...least of all Mason Ryan who might be the worst worker on the roster.  The Observer notes for the dark matches jokingly (or...seriously) said that he only blew two spots in his dark match.

There are only 3 kinds of people who can have a good match with Kevin Nash.

1.  Someone who can bump their ass off and make him look like a monster
2.  Someone who is super smart at working around him and can use all the shortcuts (but with no blood...that's harder now) HHH hopefully fits in here.
3.  Samoa Joe a couple years ago

Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: KingPK on December 05, 2011, 04:42:39 PM
Once again, WWE faces are just assholes; Dolph Ziggler beats a main eventer clean (well, kinda) last week and gets nothing while Zack Ryder needs two chances AND help to finally get a US title shot, then attacks the champion after his match. 

Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: A Happy Medium on December 05, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
I pretty much got what I wanted from this conversation.  For all of Nash's experience, he can't have a passable match with anyone who isn't one of the best workers of a generation.
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Post by: The ghost of bps21 on December 05, 2011, 04:44:46 PM
Well...when you only have 2 passable matches in the last like...decade or so to look at...one would jump to this conclusion yes.
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Post by: Ed on December 05, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
Cena still doesn't have a feud heading into the pay-per-view. Weird.

I feel like WWE would rather just skip December and head straight to Royal Rumble.
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Post by: Brooklyn Zoo on December 05, 2011, 05:37:35 PM
He's feuding with the fans
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Post by: Spaceman Spiff 🚀 on December 06, 2011, 12:31:44 AM
HHH/Nash should be a chairs match, so Nash can sit down to take a break mid-match.

(Did I steal that from someone here?  I know I saw a version of that joke somewhere.)
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Post by: HSJ on December 06, 2011, 02:25:10 AM
I feel like they are trying to cut Ryder off at the knees. The booking for him last night was terrible.
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Post by: Brodypedia on December 06, 2011, 02:49:28 AM
Ryder did get over w/o permission
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Post by: snuffbox on December 06, 2011, 03:00:25 AM
It's ok because Dolph Ziggler was on the show earlier.
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 06, 2011, 03:09:25 AM
Can someone post the latest It Begins vid?
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 06, 2011, 04:05:08 AM
WWE : "Look Within" ( It Begins 3rd Promo ) [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4JRwE8ZkU#ws)

I think it's sounding more and more like Jericho.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 06, 2011, 04:06:41 AM
me too
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: BPSS on December 06, 2011, 05:10:29 AM
It's ok because Dolph Ziggler was on the show earlier.

Nah, they should have booked Ryder better and not used him as a means to get the crowd to stop booing Cena.
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Post by: RedJed on December 06, 2011, 09:37:13 AM
Yeah, I felt they were trying to fuck up Ryder's overness bigtime last night. It pissed me off and I am not even a Ryder fan. Lets see....

-Have him involved in something like 4 segments in a row or very close to in a row. Overkill bigtime.

-Have in there with the other guy who even though they are teasing this heel thing with him (poorly), he's still the guy who really is the last one that should be put in there with Ryder - as it went, people seemingly didnt know who to cheer, and really didnt seem to care either. Ultimately, I think it hurt both of them to be working a match against each other as the reactions for both became half-ass at best in this one. We also dont need to be reminded how Ryder isnt main event material by Cena going over.

-Same deal with Henry/Ryder. Henry totally squashes him, then Cena does the run-in, cheating for Ryder. How does that help Ryder one fucking bit? In addition, they really just continued the same path as they always have.....Cena has to always be the guy that really goes over anyone and everyone in this company no matter what the backlash is. They've protected Henry for months and there was none of that here.

-Then Ryder comes out during the Ziggler match, a role usually made for heels, to help distract him, and then beyond that beats him down after the match, once again a role made typically for heels....apparently to get the heat, but I felt like it went the opposite way really when all was said and done. It really was just a fucking stupid idea to try to get Cena regaining face heat I guess.

Otherwise, the show was a total wash besides the Ryder stuff. Both the opening promo and last segment promo war was incredibly cliche and boring.....the exact same shit that Punk was talking about in his very limited role on this show. And we can't even blame Vince for this one apparently as HHH was putting the show together.
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 06, 2011, 09:52:41 AM
Well to be fair, if you watch Z! True Long Island Stories, Ziggler broke into Ryder's apartment and hit him with the belt. But why would they ever mention that?
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Post by: foleyfanforever88 on December 06, 2011, 10:37:11 AM
Cena still doesn't have a feud heading into the pay-per-view. Weird.

They should have Cena be Brodus Clay's opponent in a PPV debut.
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Post by: #sorrynotsorry on December 06, 2011, 10:51:58 AM
I don't understand Zack Ryder. He's corny as fuck and not really that interesting.

People should be ironically championing Mr. Perfect 2011 Dolph Ziggler.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 06, 2011, 02:38:24 PM
No irony necessary
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 06, 2011, 02:51:22 PM
lol rating was a 2.9. Zack Ryder is poison.
Title: Re: 12/5/11 RAW: DIESEL Power
Post by: wnyxmcneal on December 06, 2011, 02:52:19 PM
F4W says it was a 3.0
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Post by: Byron The Bulp on December 06, 2011, 03:09:24 PM
That's not a whole lot better!
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 06, 2011, 11:54:47 PM
3>2!
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Post by: "Dot Com" Matt Postin (heel) on December 07, 2011, 03:35:42 AM
Quote from: WON
Vince McMahon was not at Raw [Monday] night. They said he was in Afghanistan getting footage for Tribute to the Troops, which airs next Tuesday. HHH was in charge of the show with him gone. I guess that's why he was unable to come out and save poor Santino from Kevin Nash.