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Hinder fired their frontman because he couldn't stay out of rehab.

Three Days Grace's frontman quit several months ago because he had "non-life-threatening" medical issues, only to immediately announce he was forming a solo project.

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I don't hate Nickelback nearly as much as the rest of the internet.  I have fond memories of Leader of Men.  But, there you have it, regardless.

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Nickelback sucks, sure. But it's annoying at how the band (along with Creed) is just a lazy shorthand for "bad taste" when discussing music. For instance, if you're on a band's message board and offer a criticism of a new album, you'll get the fanboy reply, "THEN GO LISTEN TO NICKELBACK AND CREED RECORDS!!!" in an attempt to discredit the other's opinion and shut down the whole conversation. As if the chasm between Band A and Nickelback/Creed didn't exist. "Hey, I didn't like this; I must be a Nickelback fan." Sure.

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You know what, for as much crap as Creed gets, I have to admit that Mark Tremonti is a pretty damn good guitarist.

There, I said it.

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I love all these bands

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Going to Beef 'O' Brady's and diggin' on Nickelback. The Bro Lifestyle of Gainesville has finally taken root.

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Byron cruisin' down University Avenue headin' to the Beef's, blasting



and thinkin' about those sliders he's gonna eat and that pitcher of Bud Light he's gonna drink.

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I've gained an unironic appreciation of Nickelback recently. I wouldn't go see them live or buy an album but they're good at what they do.

Now some of their knockoffs (like the other bands mentioned in the OP) are legitimately awful. Butt rock isn't one of my favorite genres but Creed and Nickelback are obviously the best at what they do.

You know what's a goddamn awful band of this genre that I was just reminded of (because they just came to Maine a few months back with maybe one original member that wasn't the singer)...Saliva! I wish I could forget about them but whenever I watch a WWE PPV from the '00s, they do the theme like 60% of the time!

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Creed's 2009 album, Full Circle, is actually really good.  Not good by Creed standards, but just good in general and worth a listen. Mark Tremonti's solo album from 2012 is also quite good and he's actually an above-average vocalist.

I've just always found it funny that some of the same people that bash Creed, will turn around and suck off Alter Brige. I like both bands pretty equally.

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I've just always found it funny that some of the same people that bash Creed, will turn around and suck off Alter Brige.

Yeah man, that really gets me too.

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I want Jimmy Fallon to be dead. That doesn't make me a bad person.

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I've just always found it funny that some of the same people that bash Creed, will turn around and suck off Alter Brige.

Yeah man, that really gets me too.
It's because Alter Bridge didn't rely on "clean opening, FEEDBACK, decent rock riff ruined by Scott Stapp's very presence" for every song.

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http://www.allbuttrock.com/culture/3

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The Ten Commandments of Buttrock
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before Scott Stapp.

2. Remember the power chord to keep it holy.

3. Thou shalt not covet thy lead singer's cross tattoo.

4. Thou shalt sing with no regard to consonants.

5. Thou shalt perfect thy amp stance, from which cometh thy strength.

6. If not a perm, then a style that looks like one.

7. Thou shalt infuse thy lyrics with vaguely Christian themes.

8. Thou shalt own no less than 5 black wifebeaters.

9. Thou shalt choose a band name which reflects the grit and angst in thy soul.

10. Thou shalt harmonize only in a guttural manner and only with bros you trust.

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I've just always found it funny that some of the same people that bash Creed, will turn around and suck off Alter Brige.

Yeah man, that really gets me too.
It's because Alter Bridge didn't rely on "clean opening, FEEDBACK, decent rock riff ruined by Scott Stapp's very presence" for every song.

Myles Kennedy is also a legit good rock vocalist. It's a little silly that one would hate one and like the other but it's not completely ludicrous.

You know what band I'm surprised doesn't get Creed levels of hate? Slipknot. They combine all of the worst aspects of Metallica and KISS. There are very, very few bands I hate or can't mount some sort of half hearted defense for(I even occasionally enjoy the Insane Clown Posse. The Insane Clown Posse, PEOPLE) and they're one of them.

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Slipknot are in the same boat as Creed. Mediocre band with one amazing musician (Slipknot's case being Joey Jordison).

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Nickelback is fucking harmless and always has been. I went to a show at the Joe back in 2006 where it was all similar bands and my girlfriend and I were among the oldest there who didn't have kids, and all the kids were using cell phone screens rather than lighters for the ballads. They're just straight up modern rock bands who are cool to hate, to make judgemental douchebags' own tastes in music look better, and jealousy of these bands' successes.

Hell another band who got this treatment (and still got it until very recently when it suddenly became cool to like them) was Rush, who got fucked with for the better part of 40 years until 2010 more or less, when they put out their documentary. This kind of thing is nothing new. Every so often a band comes along that for one reason or another, people just love to hate for no good reason.
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Slipknot was a big part of my rebellious teens, so I listen to them with nostalgia earphones more than anything.  Their drummer is one hilariously talented individual.

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Years ago, I'd get angry whenever I'd hear a Creed or Nickelback song. Nowadays the only band that boils my blood is Train.


Re: Rush-They were one of several Progressive Rock bands (including Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Yes) who used to be "cool" to hate. I think ELP are the only ones who still get flack.


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Slipknot escape it because they weren't ripping off Pearl Jam but forgetting that "credibility" thing. Joey Jordison being an insanely talented drummer certainly helps, as well, and an argument can be made that they're the ones really responsible for the semi-mainstream acceptance of extreme metal from the early 00's. Mick Thompson is also an underrated and underutilized guitarist to boot, and I think Corey Taylor gets shit on unjustly when it comes to his versatility as a vocalist. Basically, they were a gimmick band that struck at just the right time and (purposefully) spaced out their releases enough to make them always seem fresh in the mainstream rock world.

That they also sounded very different from their "nu-metal" contemporaries (with maybe only System of a Down coming close to the level of intensity) doesn't hurt their case. I think 90% of their stuff is shit, but I'll admit that a lot of their songs would be great metal tunes if they didn't rely on sing-song choruses that completely change the feel. To put it further, they're basically a child's introduction to real metal, similar to how Motley Crue was in the 80's.

Hell another band who got this treatment (and still got it until very recently when it suddenly became cool to like them) was Rush, who got fucked with for the better part of 40 years until 2010 more or less, when they put out their documentary. This kind of thing is nothing new. Every so often a band comes along that for one reason or another, people just love to hate for no good reason.
The big difference was that Rush was popular for being amazing on a technical level. Nickelback are popular for being lowest common denominator tripe. They are the Journey of their generation: completely manufactured, soulless, and disposable bubblegum pop rock of the era that went from virtually beloved by all to the butt (rock) of every joke, and then nostalgia will kick in and people will listen to them because it's "fun."

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Yeah, in twenty years, people will look back at Creed and Nickelback the same way, we look at Journey and Styx now. Still hated by critics and music snobs but beloved by the masses.

Although, Journey is better than Nickelback in every facet of the imagination. Songwriting, playing, vocals, etc.  And I'm pretty sure BUTT is going to have a stroke when he reads Laz comparing them.

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Journey never wrote anything near as bad as "Something In Your Mouth" or "Rockstar"


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Journey are most definitely a better band than Nickelback. I won't even attempt to argue that. They're still fucking terrible and many people felt that way up until a few years ago.

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They don't get that much hate anymore, but I still remember Stone Temple Pilots being a punching bag. Also, I will defend "Purple", "Tiny Music" and "No. 4" to the grave.


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STP's issue is that they never had their own sound. Some songs sound like Nirvana, some sound like Alice in Chains, some sound like Pearl Jam, etc.

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I agree with that assessment when it comes to "Core", but I think afterwards they started to step out of that and take influences from 70's rock and the like.


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It's fine for bands to display their influences but STP is way too obvious in cribbing from people. They never had their own sound. Their catalogue was somewhat diverse but everything sounded like somebody else. The same thing I'd say is true of Lenny Kravitz, who is another person on a lot of my friends "Most Hated Rock Singers/Bands lists" although I personally never thought he was that bad.

The thing that bothers me most about modern rock as opposed to the arena rock bands of the past is there is really no sense of joy. I don't expect all music (or even the majority) of music to be positive but a lot of the popular rock bands of the past seemed to have something resembling a sense of humor. You could tell bands like KISS, Van Halen, and Motley Crue were having fun and loved what they did but for Nickelback, Creed, Stone Temple Pilots, etc. snorting coke and fucking strippers seems like part of the job and they're just punching a clock like they worked at a bank.

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The thing that bothers me most about modern rock as opposed to the arena rock bands of the past is there is really no sense of joy. I don't expect all music (or even the majority) of music to be positive but a lot of the popular rock bands of the past seemed to have something resembling a sense of humor. You could tell bands like KISS, Van Halen, and Motley Crue were having fun and loved what they did but for Nickelback, Creed, Stone Temple Pilots, etc. snorting coke and fucking strippers seems like part of the job and they're just punching a clock like they worked at a bank.
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People fucking LOVED Journey back in the early to mid 80s. I think they became something to make fun of when Steve Perry couldn't sing anymore, and they hired a Filipino lead singer of a Journey cover band.

And Kamala, you hit it on the head, but they were just following the blueprints of the bands that came before.
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It was WAY before that man. Once "Don't Stop Believing" became a staple in bars, people couldn't resist writing them off. If you ask even the most casual music listener if they know any Journey songs, the only one they can always name is that one (or "Any Way You Want It" but that's another story...).

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The only Journey song I like is "Separate Ways." The intro, the build, the way the music has a sense of urgency that Steve Perry's voice perfectly accents, the hilarious video...it may be the perfect pop rock song.

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Journey embraced a lot of things that weren't "hip" at the height of their popularity, and now, in the 21st century, those same things even the more forgiving sort tend to find dated and cheesy. It's a shame that the superficial aspects of their look and sound distract so many people from realizing that Journey crafted a number of really solid pop-rock songs. There's a few duds on



but the good stuff is really, really good.

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Byron cruisin' down University Avenue headin' to the Beef's, blasting



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this is my life, yes

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I clicked play on that just for giggles and now find myself kind of digging it oh god

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I don't like Nickelback at all, but that song is the only one I hate. I loathe every smug, self-satisfied second of it.

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That Grantland article captured what I was trying to say in the thread's 2nd post, but much more eloquently.

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That Grantland article captured what I was trying to say in the thread's 2nd post, but much more eloquently.
That article actually brings up a good point: Little if any of the rock music coming out today sounds like Nickelback, Seether etc. Nowadays bands are borrowing from EDM and shitty folk music instead of the plodding riffs and ugly lyrics of Theory of a Deadman and their ilk. Sure, someone like Nickelback will remain popular and sell a bunch of albums, but their days of dominance seem to be over.


I don't like Nickelback at all, but that song is the only one I hate. I loathe every smug, self-satisfied second of it.
That song and "Something in Your Mouth" are the only Nickelback songs I hate. The rest I'll just shrug my shoulders at.


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I don't like Nickelback at all, but that song is the only one I hate. I loathe every smug, self-satisfied second of it.

"Photograph" is obv the worst, man.

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Quote from: Grantland
As for Buckcherry, well, Buckcherry is actually way worse than either Nickelback or Seether

"For the Movies" is easily better than any song in Seether or Nickelback's catalogue. As far as plagiarism, Seether is worst offender of the three.

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Lenny Kravitz, who is another person on a lot of my friends "Most Hated Rock Singers/Bands lists" although I personally never thought he was that bad.

Kravitz is a talented guitarist and a lot of his songs are catchy but his lyrics suck

Another thing that bothers me about him is his reluctance to embrace more of his hard rock influence and instead goes for straight bubblegum pop. His latest album featured Jay-Z and Drake when it probably should have had someone like Joe Perry or Eddie Van Halen.

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I don't like Nickelback at all, but that song is the only one I hate. I loathe every smug, self-satisfied second of it.

"Photograph" is obv the worst, man.

Never knowingly heard it and I will not click on any YouTube video of it posted in this thread.

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I think Journey's peak of lameness was the '90s. They just came off as incredibly cheesy in the era of grunge. Though as I was about to write that, I remembered their reunion album (that I was going to dub "ill fated") in '96 was multi-platinum and "When You Love A Woman" was a huge adult contemporary hit/pretty big actual hit. Although it sounded more like Journey ripping off Bryan Adams than Journey.


"Photograph" is my favorite Nickelback song. Either that or "How You Remind Me". It's a nice throwback to the monster ballads of the late '80s/early '90s (another despised subgenre of rock).

I don't think Buckcherry is that bad. I think their attempt to ape the cock rockers of the '80s is too calculated but "Lit Up" is a really fun song.

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I don't like Nickelback at all, but that song is the only one I hate. I loathe every smug, self-satisfied second of it.

"Photograph" is obv the worst, man.

Never knowingly heard it and I will not click on any YouTube video of it posted in this thread.

Look at this photograph
Every time I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red?
And what the hell is on Joey's head?

And this is where I grew up
I think the present owner fixed it up
I never knew we'd ever went without
The second floor is hard for sneaking out

And this is where I went to school
Most of the time had better things to do
Criminal record says I broke in twice
I must have done it half a dozen times

I wonder if it's too late
Should I go back and try to graduate?
Life's better now than it was back then
If I was them I wouldn't let me in

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I'll take smug macho bullshit over poorly done cloying sentimentality any day of the week. If you're gonna make dumb music, make dumb music.

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Can't believe I'm discussing the relative merits of Nickelback songs right now. Life is strange.

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Rockstar is a sick song, Inc is just too much of an old fogey to appreciate livin like a superstar in the here and now.

And yes I know Chad Kroeger is probably older but he is YOUNG AT HEART

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Look at this photograph
Every time I do it makes me laugh
How did our eyes get so red?
And what the hell is on Joey's head?

And this is where I grew up
I think the present owner fixed it up
I never knew we'd ever went without
The second floor is hard for sneaking out

And this is where I went to school
Most of the time had better things to do
Criminal record says I broke in twice
I must have done it half a dozen times

I wonder if it's too late
Should I go back and try to graduate?
Life's better now than it was back then
If I was them I wouldn't let me in
OK, what do I do with this?

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Chad Kroeger is only four years older than me, but he looks much, much older.

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Yeah, Chad Kroeger is the type of person where I can't tell if he's in his mid thirties or early fifties!

I was surprised to find out someone I know who I thought was in their late fifties/early sixties was actually only 38. But I guess that's what happens when your 95% of your diet consists of beer and quesadillas.

(This person I'm referring to is not Incadenza)

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Scott Stapp stated in an interview that "Creed 5" is 80% finished, but Mark Tremonti has no further interest in working on it.  This honestly depresses me.

Seether hooked me with "Gasoline". I dig them quite a bit.

When I saw that beauty queen
Watched her paint her face on
I wanna be the one unclean
That she wipes her ass on

Well, I never said it had thought provoking lyrics, I just really like the song as a whole.