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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2015, 05:03:42 AM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/ecw-tv-august-1994/ My article this month sees Mikey Whipwreck defend his TV Title against Stevie Richards, 911 and Mr. Hughes go face to face, The Sandman canes the hell out of Tommy Dreamer, and Shane Douglas throws down the NWA Title!

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2016, 07:04:17 AM »
ECW Hardcore TV is now "ECW" in the Vault because they've added episodes of "ECW Wrestling" from TNN.  I didn't realize Hardcore TV and TNN episodes co-existed at the same time, but they did, and they're all going up.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2016, 07:31:19 AM »
I never understood why ECW continued producing a syndicated show once they got on TNN. I have read that Paul E. was paying 3 grand per week to have his show air in Chicago. Why do that when you have national cable exposure?

Fun fact:the ECW syndicated show was never called "Hardcore TV" until they got on TNN. You better believe I get annoyed when people talk about "Hardcore TV from 1996." It doesn't exist!

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2016, 09:35:16 AM »
ECW Hardcore TV is now "ECW" in the Vault because they've added episodes of "ECW Wrestling" from TNN.  I didn't realize Hardcore TV and TNN episodes co-existed at the same time, but they did, and they're all going up.

To this day, I still have the very last episode of Hardcore TV on VHS which featured the stellar line-up of Doring & Roadkill vs the Baldiez (with an appearance from Taz), Balls Mahoney & Nova vs Hot Commodity and the main event of Jerry Lynn vs Joey Matthews. This was a week or two before Guilty as Charged.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2016, 10:36:58 PM »
Fun fact:the ECW syndicated show was never called "Hardcore TV" until they got on TNN. You better believe I get annoyed when people talk about "Hardcore TV from 1996." It doesn't exist!
This is a very good point to make for historical purposes, but it's the same kind of hair splitting that some get raked over the coals for when they refer to anything between 1979 and 2002 as WWE because it's the same company. Hardcore TV was retroactively named but even Paul E refers to syndicated show as Hardcore TV.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2016, 07:53:36 AM »
The missing 1993 episodes (as of right now the oldest added is the 2nd episode) appear to be going up.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2017, 04:48:52 PM »
Almost done with 1994 after never watching ECW before. Really enjoy seeing the promos Shane Douglas and Cactus Jack were doing. Show stealers.


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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2017, 05:58:23 AM »
I'm surprised you'd never seen it. You're already impressed with 1994 and the show hasn't even gotten good yet.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2017, 06:07:31 AM »
Hardcore Heaven 1997 and some assorted matches were the only things I'd watched.


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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2018, 02:39:35 AM »
Working my way finally through September -  December of 1994 but man... yeah, ECW gets a lot of guff for its lack of in-ring action/extreme elements e.g. weapons but fuck that noise to be honest.

If you're a wrestling fan, you owe it to yourself to at least watch ECW's Hardcore TV stretch from 1994 - 1997. In 1994 alone you see the evolution of Sandman's character thanks to freakin' Tommy Cairo, Tommy Dreamer's dramatic rise leading to Sandman's (with Woman) iconic caning angle, the evolution of Public Enemy as arguably the tag team of the promotion long before Dudley Boys, and Shane Douglas becoming its Ric Flair for better or worse.

Most know of ECW for surface level wrestlers (e.g. Raven/Dreamer, Taz, RVD, Dudley Boys, New Jack's violence, etc.) but that's truly a shame. There is just so much more going on beneath that surface level awareness and some of it is awesome. I never thought much of the PE but they are fucking gold & must watch promo wise for me after going through 1994. Can't wait to see who else gets a leap for me in that regard. Same for seeing Sandman evolve in large part thanks to his feud with Tommy Cairo (who?).

There's also a ton of forgotten great promos even from the likes of Cactus, Funk, etc. that most aren't aware of beyond the commonly played and/or shown.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2018, 12:38:26 AM »
It's interesting to see the evolution of the "classic ECW" promo style. Pulp Fiction released October 1994 and by the middle of November you can start to see that transitional promo style along with an increase in graphical gimmicks (e.g. box style).

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2018, 12:19:56 AM »
The 12/6/1994 episode not only features the debut of Sensational Sherri Martel in Shane Douglas' corner but has the tag match of Shane Douglas & Brian Pillman vs. Ron Simmons & 2 Cold Scorpio (with Pillman replacing the injured Austin). Really weird/unique seeing "Hollywood Blonde" era Pillman at the ECW Arena given his later run with the company.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2018, 02:55:54 AM »
BUMP as I continue to slowly but surely make my way through 1995. June was great with Sandman/Cactus Jack/Shane Douglas (including Douglas' leaving for the WWF) alongside The Gangstas debuting and a fun spotfest Double Dog Collar match between The Pitbulls and Public Enemy.

I've also gotten a greater appreciation for the Raven/Tommy Dreamer feud and how it kind of sent its tentacles into everything. Pitbulls get pissed at Raven/Stevie abandoning them so they side with Dreamer just as Raven recruits the debuting Dudley Boys (aka Dudley Brothers), Francine's starting to appear as a superfan for Stevie which angers Beulah, Luna's hanging with Dreamer and there was the infamous Dreamer's broken fingers/Luna crucified via handcuffs on the ring ropes angle, etc. I always enjoyed the infamous Double Dog Collar Match between the Pitbulls and Raven/Stevie but watching this all unfold weekly, the backstory is really great stuff.

Finally referee Bill Alfonso was genius character/booking. The pure, stickler of the rules referee interfering constantly and pissing the fans off while threatening to shut down ECW. Then the more he appears, the more he starts pissing off owner Tod Gordon and even Paul E. Dangerously has had it by the end declaring, "Fonzie MUST Die," setting up the eventual begging for 911 to kill him.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2018, 06:07:06 AM »
Watching Austin in October 1995 is something else. He's already used "That's the bottom line," and even the term, "Jabronis" in the ring against Whipwreck and Sandman. One can really see his evolution throughout the month into a formative SCSA as he's an outright antagonistic asshole towards everybody, is pissed off, and it's like watching a prototype of how he acted towards Bret Hart and the Hart Foundation in the WWF just a year and a half later.

Also October sees the introduction of the "Pulp Fiction" promos, Taz develops his katihajime finisher and the start of his FTW Taz character, Cactus Jack starts his anti-hardcore/Tommy Dreamer stuff & Terry Funk returns, we get The Eliminators making their presence known and the introduction of Bubba Ray Dudley.

So much great stuff in October/November.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2019, 03:50:15 AM »
Watching the Brian Pillman stuff at the arenas is awesome stuff. His feud with Shane Douglas would've been amazing IMO. He pulls a woman and her baby in front of him in Hardcore TV 151 whilst daring Douglas to hit him, then cheap shots Douglas anyway. Many know his 'Smart Marks' and Giant Pencil promos but some of the other stuff he did that doesn't get mentioned was such ahead of its time stuff.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2019, 10:42:23 PM »
Making my way into May of 1996 and ECW continues to just be steamrolling with so much great little stuff: We're starting to get into the Rob Van Dam 'Respect' angle against Sabu (and his team up with Fonzie), Taz has been a total ass kicker with Fonzie in his corner really starting up his FTW/Shoot character, Raven/Dreamer continues although it's kind of lost a bit of steam for me compared to 1995, and Shane Douglas has made his triumphant return from the WWF.

D-Von Dudley made his debut and immediately gave the Dudley Boys a legitimate threatening attitude. The Gangstas have been fantastic for the tag scene and their feud with The Eliminators/The Pitbulls tends to be pretty underrated in the annals of ECW history.

Also Brian Pillman and Chris Jericho are still around for far longer than I was aware of. It's fun seeing some of Jericho's other matches e.g. against 2 Cold Scorpio and Pillman's an absolute delight. A perfect fit for the ECW of the era and somehow still maybe ahead of his time there too.

The "weapon" era of 1998/1999 tends to overshadow a lot of what people think of ECW as a whole but 1995-1997 IMO are absolutely must watch to get a real idea of how influential ECW was on the careers of multiple wrestlers, never mind the story-lines and angles that happened.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2019, 02:07:52 AM »
They just uploaded the Best of ECW Vol 1 and 2 from 1992 and the pilot for ECW TV from November 1992 under the Hidden Gems section. Just thought I'd give a heads up to anyone who wanted to watch Ivan Koloff in ECW.



(Probably just Brody and JHawk)

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2019, 02:44:52 AM »
I'll watch it too if I can, just have such a backlog going right now.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2019, 02:17:44 AM »
Steamrolled through June & July, halfway through August. I always thought I'd be into the Dreamer/Raven/Sandman stuff (especially now that we've gotten to Lori and Tyler's inclusion) but I find myself far more interested in the other feuds going on: Gangstas against the Eliminators and Samoan Swat Team (credit to Heyman that he made SST semi-worthwhile at all), D-Von Dudley going to war against Big Dick and the rest of the Dudleys for control, finally getting into the awesome Shane Douglas/Pitbulls stuff with Francine siding with Douglas in mid-August and the infamous Pitbull 1 halo angle, and you still have the RVD/Sabu stuff with Taz lurking around in the background.

Also bonus August fact is we get the introduction of Joel Gertner as announcer. Also the bWo is full on in-effect including their infamous KISS get up and Blue Meanie's interpretation of Blue Dust.

We've also quickly transitioned into the weapon era with chairs and table use galore. Somewhat surprised it started really gaining steam this 'early' in the ECW history but it'd oddly fitting too given all the feuds going on.

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Re: ECW Hardcore TV
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2019, 01:39:18 PM »
They just uploaded the Best of ECW Vol 1 and 2 from 1992 and the pilot for ECW TV from November 1992 under the Hidden Gems section. Just thought I'd give a heads up to anyone who wanted to watch Ivan Koloff in ECW.



(Probably just Brody and JHawk)

At least they were all under an hour each as I have access to better indy wrestling now.

Although Dick Graham on commentary for ECW is surreal.