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Ryback Contract Dispute
« on: May 02, 2016, 01:57:47 PM »
PWI reporting Ryback has been sent home by the company.  His contract is coming up soon

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 07:09:03 AM »
PWI reporting Ryback has been sent home by the company.  His contract is coming up soon

Did he do something to piss someone off?

Argument over his contract.

When WWE sends someone home over something like that, it's rare they come back.

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Wrestling is pre determined, we as performers know before we go out to that ring or perform a backstage scene who is winning and losing etc or have a general idea of what we are going to say. It blows my mind how in a sport which is pre determined from a company standpoint winners are paid so much more than the losers. Every single person who works for WWE from top to bottom is absolutely just as valuable as the next. The winners cannot win unless the losers go out there and agree to lose to them.

It blows my mind that in this day and age though we still adhere to this formula. Obviously things have always been this way, but does that make them right? Times have changed and our goal as humans should be to evolve and learn from our past and the past of others so we could make this world a better place. Why is it a guy who is told he is going to go out and lose and does everything he is told be paid not only less, but much less than said winner over a period of time. Every single performer for WWE sacrifices the same amount of time from home and their families and every single man or women goes out and does what they are told. Looking at this formula though losers turn into what fans like to call jobbers and their value decreases in the companies eyes and before you know it they get released. For what? For doing exactly as they are told!

Why not pay the talent equally? The winners have more MERCH as it is or are supposed to anyways so they get that extra perk, but why make the guy who is told to and agrees to lose earn less and sacrifice spots in big pay per view match ups etc. This is one of the major problems with wrestling and WWE today. Most guys take great satisfaction in helping making other talent, the bitching and the moaning we always hear about stems from the fact they know they are ultimately over time going to make less and live in fear of being released.

I am proud to say I have never gone to change a finish and have gladly took pride in helping put over other talent. Hell look at my pay per view record of 12-26 and you will see that has been the pattern of my career. I have always been confident in my ability and work ethic to being my best every day and ultimately always felt that by doing good it was the right thing to do. Personally seeing my money go down over the years though even though I was working as much as ever and being denied magazine covers and other projects as well as watching my role diminish no matter what I did or how hard I tried takes its toll on a human. Being told no matter how hard I work or how good I get doesn’t always pay off is something I fucking refuse to ever believe in my life. I am a creative being and to be restricted time and time again is no way to live life. There is nothing I cannot do and I know no matter what comes of this situation I am going to be just fine. It isn’t soley about money, it is about commitment. Commitment to a guy who fucking cares and who loves this more than anything in the world and wants to know that his passion his efforts and his determination to constantly improve is going to be recognized and taken care of.

WWE may very well release me, which if it is the case so be it. If we can work things out a lot needs to change as I am not living in fear and creatively cannot continue to live a life that limits me creatively. I have many other interests and passions and have been very smart with my finances over the years. I thank every WWE superstar from top to bottom for their sacrifices and for working with me. The world is an amazing place and there is more than just a WWE universe there is The Universe and I will prove one way or another over time I am the greatest big guy in the universe!

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 07:48:15 AM »
Yeah, there's no way he's coming back after that.
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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 07:54:02 AM »
I'm looking forward to seeing Skip Sheffield: Secret Socialist pop up on the indy circuit.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 08:03:59 AM »
Seems like he had the same issues Punk had. Ironic, in a sense.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 08:07:56 AM »
I liked Ryback since he started the Bully gimmick and loved him since he did the promo where he talked about The Secret. The contrast between muscled up looking dude and in-touch with his inner self pseudo intellectual was awesome.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 08:20:21 AM »
FWIW I kinda agree with him.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 08:23:22 AM »
This is hilarious considering all his criticisms of Punk's walkout. Also, it should show that any worker that defends the E is probably full of shit.


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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2016, 08:37:28 AM »
What Ryback says is completely valid, but I don't have any sympathy for him. The reason for that is because while he would benefit from more preferential/favorable treatment it would hurt people who are more talented.


- All of the people in WWE feel the same way about their work as he does. The wrestlers are all putting in major sacrifice and dedication to a job that is nearly always not as rewarding as it should be. I think most fans do not understand that these guys are being taken for a ride and robbed out of money they deserve to get.

- Getting to win PPV matches in WWE is merit based. Fact is, Ryback has rarely been over more than other workers who have been pushed as hard as him. He's also less talented than them and doesn't move merch the way they do.

- I don't have it in me to defend somebody so dangerous anyway. Thinking of all the guys he's injured, he should've been out of there a long time ago. Peace out bitch.


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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 08:51:18 AM »
Not trying to play to the middle but I agree with him in principle of it's all a work, why are the winners paid more? But I have to think it's the wrong guy making that stand, as alluded to, with the lack of skill and safety associated with him as a worker.

Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Roman Reigns, or Triple H making this stand would get something done. Maybe not so much RR, right now. But it'd have to be someone with 10 plus years with mainstream recognition, or on the cusp.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 09:13:07 AM »
Not trying to play to the middle but I agree with him in principle of it's all a work, why are the winners paid more?

That part isn't true. The people who are paid more are more talented, so they win more. People will never care about wrestler pay because nobody talented enough for people to care is paid at a rate which they feel like they need to complain about.

As an example, when CM Punk complained, he didn't complain about his pay. There's a reason for that.

WWE feels Ryback is an expendable part. I assume everyone else here agrees with that. Nobody is tuning in to watch Ryback and nobody will turn the show off because he isn't there. Their stance in not wanting to pay him more would be justifiable. They can make another steroid guy to put in his spot and nobody will miss him. If anything, this should be a lesson to the other talent that they shouldn't tow the company line in public. He made himself look like a fool to make WWE happy. WWE does not do favors for good works.


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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2016, 09:27:38 AM »
Not trying to play to the middle but I agree with him in principle of it's all a work, why are the winners paid more?

That part isn't true. The people who are paid more are more talented, so they win more.
I don't think this is always the case.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2016, 09:34:50 AM »
I agree, but talent can mean a lot of things. Like being a big shirt seller. Even the Kane and Big Show's of the world have brought a lot to the table. Ryback OTOH is below-average in pretty much every respect other than having big muscles.

WWE has been great at retaining their most talented wrestlers so I think in that respect it may be the case. 


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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2016, 09:38:59 AM »
Pay = the amount of audience they feel that wrestler can be marketed to

At the same time, sometimes that's determined by who they push

Edit: I basically said the same thing twice

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2016, 09:45:18 AM »
Ryback is much smarter than he looks. Apparently he filed to trademark "The Big Guy" months before WWE thought to do so. Probably has a lot to do with this current situation.


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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2016, 11:34:30 AM »
Re: WWE and talent: We might not agree with the company on who is the most talented obviously but theoretically they have access to polling and data on who is selling merch and stuff to indicate who is worth the most to them at any given time. They get it wrong a lot (a lot) but that's when we as fans have the option to stop watching and buying their product. Which we will never do.

Ryback does seem like he's smart.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2016, 12:33:56 PM »
Ryback was never particularly great in the ring but every single interview I've read with him and every podcast I've heard him on really painted him to be a genuine human being whose lifelong goal was to be a professional wrestler. This wasn't just some jacked-up muscle-head they saw in a bodybuilding competition (though his look was likely how he was originally signed, let's be honest), this was a kid with a dream to make it to WWE and he achieved that. There was an authentic element to him that other steroid hoss' didn't have and for that, I always kind of respected him.

And while I agree that every wrestler puts in a lot, there are some that are naturally better than others and deserve to be compensated as such. People like Ryder who had the carpet pulled out from under them multiple times can make a case for Ryback's point but realistically, if you put someone like Sin Cara or Adam Rose in Dean Ambrose's spot, they simply aren't going to be as over because we saw what they offered and the crowds quieted down after awhile. You can can most certainly argue that certain people would be bigger stars if given 1/10 of the push most of the big guys had and believe me, WWE have dropped the ball with multiple guys over the years but there were also the guys that were given the push and either didn't take advantage or just weren't good enough.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2016, 02:19:48 PM »
Eh, he can probably make more money with a combination of Japan, Lucha Underground/Mexico and Indys anyway.  Guys are making less since the Network launched because they're on their old pre-Network deals, and you're going to see more of the in the middle guys (like Barrett) walking away when their deals are up

I really think he'd do great in New Japan, and he's shown to be a good base for smaller guys so would work in LU/AAA.  And Ryan Reeves is a cool wrestling name anyway, he doesn't need Ryback.  And he was really smart to TM "The Big Guy"

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2016, 02:33:29 PM »
Plus I really need to see a Ryback vs Cage match. Hell, I'd settle for Ryback vs Elgin.
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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2016, 02:32:32 AM »
Ryback/Cage would be bad. Both guys need somebody to direct the match and Cage has been injured a few times. Ryback/Elgin would also be bad but at least potentially stiff as hell.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2016, 02:37:53 AM »
It's muscley and stiff that's all I need!


That doesn't really sound like a wrestling match...
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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2016, 09:59:48 AM »
Brian Cage and some other Indy wrestlers have been endorsing Ryback's statement on social media but you know which WWE star has given public endorsement? Cameron.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2016, 12:27:55 PM »
That's because she's beyond useless and is probably paid like it.
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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2016, 01:54:16 AM »
http://www.gerweck.net/2016/05/10/ryback-merchandise-moved-for-clearance-on-wwe-shop/

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If this is a sign of what is coming next remains to be seen but WWE Shop has moved all Ryback merchandise in the sale section, with all his t-shirts, apparel, and other accessories and toys marked down for clearance. Ryback only has 16 products on WWE Shop and in his statement last week he said that being booked the way he was had an effect on his merchandise, thus making less money than usual.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2016, 07:28:11 AM »
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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2016, 06:03:33 AM »
http://www.gerweck.net/2016/05/12/backstage-news-on-rybacks-wwe-status-his-recent-contract-negotiations-cameron/

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As previously reported, Ryback and Adam Rose were two names being discussed for release. Clearly, that has not happened yet.

In the case of Ryback, he is not expected to be back to work for the company but it’s easier to let his contract expire than to release him. His current deal expires later this summer.

The decision on Ryback’s future was actually made before the May 1st Payback pay-per-view, where he lost to United States Champion Kalisto on the pre-show. As noted, Ryback was sent home from RAW the next day after a meeting with Vince McMahon over his contract.

A number of issues led to Ryback being sent home but they were said to be very far apart on money. Ryback wanted hotels paid for when traveling and wanted road expenses paid for. Ryback also wanted his contract to be guaranteed for the full term, that way if he was released for any reason, he’d still be paid in full for the length of the contract. While some WCW stars had similar deals years ago, that has never been an option in WWE.

On a related note, it was reported that Cameron was not on the internal list of releases but she got cut anyway. Cameron’s tweet in support of Ryback’s “equal pay” blog was seen as a major political mistake internally. She took the tweet down but the damage had been done.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2016, 08:13:41 AM »
Him wanting travel expenses paid for isn't outrageous and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's the guy to challenge the independent contractor shit in court.
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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2016, 08:26:07 AM »
WWE won't pay travel expenses for everyone because then it does make them employees.


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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2016, 08:30:04 AM »
They are employees. If it ever goes to court they're going to be ruled employees. The problem is everyone has been so afraid of being on Vince's bad side it's never been challenged.
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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2016, 08:32:58 AM »
It's long and a little boring but this is the best breakdown of it all I've ever seen.

http://louisvillelawreview.org/sites/louisvillelawreview.org/files/pdfs/printcontent/53/1/10-Cowley.pdf

They're employees by 16 out of 20 standards the IRS sets.
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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2016, 10:27:26 PM »
For whatever reason, I feel like allowing undercard talent to take independent bookings again would cement them as independent contractors by sheer technicality. "See? We let our lesser-used and under-developed stars work elsewhere to hone their craft! They're independent contractors, God dammit!"

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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2016, 12:56:26 AM »
For whatever reason, I feel like allowing undercard talent to take independent bookings again would cement them as independent contractors by sheer technicality. "See? We let our lesser-used and under-developed stars work elsewhere to hone their craft! They're independent contractors, God dammit!"

Honestly, I think this would be for the best. Someone like Jack Swagger who isn't being used can show up on an indie show for a few extra bucks and draw in some locals. Then fly him in to job on Main Event.


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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2016, 04:18:37 AM »
For whatever reason, I feel like allowing undercard talent to take independent bookings again would cement them as independent contractors by sheer technicality. "See? We let our lesser-used and under-developed stars work elsewhere to hone their craft! They're independent contractors, God dammit!"

Honestly, I think this would be for the best. Someone like Jack Swagger who isn't being used can show up on an indie show for a few extra bucks and draw in some locals. Then fly him in to job on Main Event.

I thought this was supposed to be the whole purpose of the WWE/Evolve partnership. I'm surprised they haven't had more of their talent work Evolve shows.
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2016, 05:06:37 AM »
That would makes sense to me too but given the recent Drew Gallloway/EC3 angle, I can't imagine Vince clearing some midcarder to go work a show to lose to another promotion's guy. 
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2016, 05:08:14 AM »
So don't book him against them?

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2016, 07:20:04 AM »
Who the fuck would say "I had no interest in going to this Evolve show, but holy shit JACK SWAGGER is gonna be there where's my fucking credit card!"

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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2016, 07:29:41 AM »
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2016, 07:53:45 AM »
So don't book him against them?

Right because WWE always uses common sense they would never overreact ever no sir
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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2016, 10:43:28 PM »
Who the fuck would say "I had no interest in going to this Evolve show, but holy shit JACK SWAGGER is gonna be there where's my fucking credit card!"
Parents with children who recognize Jack Swagger when Evolve comes to their town. The exact same mentality used to book any (ex)WWE star on an indy show. "Hey, this guy was on Raw last week, and now he's going to be in my town? Okay, let's go!"
So don't book him against them?

Right because WWE always uses common sense they would never overreact ever no sir
Well, they've already screwed the pooch, since they're partnered up with Evolve, who is currently running a veiled "TNA vs. WWE" story, so why the shit not? Beyond that, it would further add credence to the "independent contractor" talking point.

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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2016, 10:40:47 AM »
Exactly.

I had a JYD action figure as a kid. Only wrestling figure in an assortment of He-Man figures. JYD came to my podunk town's rec hall wrestling. Parent's took me on that basis.

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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2016, 08:39:37 AM »
Ryback was trying to get fans to get #FeedMeMore trending during Extreme Rules if they "wanted to see Ryborg in the Impact Zone"
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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2016, 07:25:02 AM »
Ryback is going to change his first name to Ryback so he can use it when he takes bookings.


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« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2016, 12:42:17 PM »
Doesn't WWE still own the trademark?

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« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2016, 01:03:09 PM »
I think it doesn't matter if it's his real name.  He may have to go by Ryback Reeves, as his real name is going to be Ryback Alan Reeves.

It's like when Test made that his legal middle name so he could still legally work Indy shows as Andrew Test Martin.
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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2016, 02:02:56 PM »
I heard you can keep your name if you came into the company with it. But if it was made there it belongs to WWE. I'm sure there were differences with contract acquisitions during the invasion time and such. Cm Punk is still using that name.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2016, 02:04:22 PM »
Didn't Rick Rude do this as well?

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2016, 09:46:41 PM »
Some performers had the forethought to trademark their ring names prior to WWE using it. WWE likes to create new names and nicknames for trademark reasons but some names like Punk or Samoa Joe are more valuable to be left as is, even if WWE does not own said trademark.
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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2016, 09:55:56 AM »
I read that Bellator is talking to this guy.


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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2016, 12:31:39 AM »
Ryback Vs Punk when Punk gets bounced from UFC in a freak grudge fight plz.

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Re: Ryback Contract Dispute
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2016, 12:40:36 AM »
Punk will just back out because Ryback kicks too hard or something.