Author Topic: Old School Observations/Questions Thread 2020 (Read 676 times)

Sty Guy Kamala · « **on:** January 04, 2020, 04:52:57 AM »

We could be nostalgic about the '00s now.

If we had anyone under the age of 30 here. $:-\$

Today is the 21st Anniversary of the pivotal night in the Monday Night Wars where pendulum swung in WWE's favor for the duration of the ratings war.

21 years ago @RealMickFoley beat @TheRock to win his first @WWE Championship, putting many butts in seats in the process. pic.twitter.com/i1WIBcpmNK
— WWE on FOX (@WWEonFOX) January 4, 2020

LaParkaYourCar · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2020, 07:50:05 AM »

http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/classic-wrestling-review-slamboree-95/

Here's my review of Slamboree '95.

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2020, 01:58:09 PM »

Inspired by Tatsumi Fujinami showing up at WrestleKingdom today (and Vince Carter becoming the first NBA player to play in four decades).

What wrestler wrestled in the most decades? I'm guessing it's gotta be either Lou Thesz ('30s through '90s) or Abdullah The Butcher ('50s through 2010s). I guess Gypsy Joe has seven decades too (also 1950s through 2010s)

If Terry Funk wrestles a match this year, he'll also have wrestled in seven decades. Don't do it, Terry!

Tino Standard · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2020, 03:45:01 PM »

Moolah has to be up there.

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2020, 12:44:49 AM »

Fabulous Moolah has 7 decades ('40s through '00s) too. Mae Young debuted in 1939 and had her final "match" in 2010 but Cagematch doesn't show any matches from the '70s or '80s for hers. Still even with that 30 year layoff, she'd still have wrestled in 7 decades

Edit- Wikipedia says Mae Young wrestled a match for WWWF in 1972 so that'd put her in eight decades but neither Cawthon's or Cagematch has anything it so I find it highly dubious.

alkeiper · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2020, 02:22:14 AM »

Here's a listing for the 1972 match:

http://wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=shows&show=335740

I would be surprised if there isn't something there in the late '70s and '80s. The records of indy shows are spotty. There's a ton of Al Snow in the 1980s that's undocumented, for example. So Mae could've wrestled in that time frame and it just wasn't caught. I think the 1939 date is actually more dubious.

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2020, 05:18:55 AM »

Evidently some did not hear pic.twitter.com/TZN3SUWONy
— Darby Allen (@JaimsVanDerBeek) January 7, 2020

UGGGGGGGHHHHHWHAAAAATTTTABIGOT!

JN News · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2020, 01:57:07 PM »

Does anyone here know the name and identity of the mohawked woman that got involved in the NWA Crockett Cup match that involved The Sheephearders on that night?

Was it Luna Vachon or someone else?

alkeiper · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2020, 01:59:06 AM »

Quote from: JN News on January 08, 2020, 01:57:07 PM

Does anyone here know the name and identity of the mohawked woman that got involved in the NWA Crockett Cup match that involved The Sheephearders on that night?

Was it Luna Vachon or someone else?

Mad Maxine. She had a brief spell in the WWF but had a better career out of wrestling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Maxine

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2020, 08:41:48 AM »

Here’s “Double Trouble” in one of their rare WWF appearances in 1993 against the Steiner Brothers.... an impressive finish at the end too! pic.twitter.com/C3TNAWIDbV
— Richard Land (@maskedwrestlers) January 10, 2020

Jesus fuck. The Steiners throwing these guys around is impressive as heck.

JN News · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2020, 02:13:59 PM »

I'm watching AWA Wrestlerock 1986 event and I'd like to know the name of the woman who sang the coolest rendition of our national anthem.

Anyone know who that singer was?

LaParkaYourCar · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2020, 09:03:24 AM »

http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/classic-wrestling-review-the-great-american-bash-95/

Here's my review of The Great American Bash '95.

Saints_Fan_H · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2020, 12:54:36 PM »

Not to clutter the best Royal Rumble thread, I think I'm at a point in my life where 1992 will always be my favorite (unless 21st century WWE pulls something to blow me away before I croak) and any time there's a youtube video or article ABOUT it, I'll throw some attention. I don't think I can, or need to watch the entire thing anymore than I have.

Its the best, but with each passing year it also has the emotional side to it with all the greats we've lost, prematurely and naturally. The final scene with Gene, Flair, Hennan, Perfect 3x that last sentence and soon to be 4 with the life Flair has led. My last watch was last year at some point and it hurt too much. Maybe I invest too much energy into strangers, but I think that's where I'm at with it right now. I might be able to invest the 3 hours again in the future, we shall see. I hope I can, though. That show is a great example on how to book a show, even with the garbage ending to LOD/ND.

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2020, 12:30:28 PM »

No one has ever been as owned as Rick Steiner was when the WCW powers-that-be told him that his new wrestling gimmick was "The Dog-Faced Gremlin", and then explained that he wouldn't be wearing a costume and just coming out to the ring looking like himself.
— Juggalocialism (@UweBollocks) January 14, 2020

Ya know it's no wonder that Rick Steiner was so angry in the last few years of WCW now that I think about it this way.

Winter Epicland · « **Reply #14 on:** January 14, 2020, 03:02:59 AM »

TIL that Kidman's gimmick in WCW when he was in Raven's Flock was that he was a heroin addict, hence why he constantly scratched himself.

See what happens when every single detail isn't spoonfed to me?

Saints_Fan_H · « **Reply #15 on:** January 14, 2020, 06:43:59 AM »

Quote from: Winter Epicland on January 14, 2020, 03:02:59 AM

spoonfed

Oh you clever fucker.

I didn't catch the addict thing, either. I just thought he didn't shower. *shrug*

THE TUGSTER · « **Reply #16 on:** January 14, 2020, 11:36:32 AM »

Not sure how common knowledge this is, but I saw an article the other day where Kurt Angle said that he was originally going to become Undisputed champion at Vengeance, but Vince changed his mind five days before the show and went with Jericho. Suppose Vince doesn't change his mind, how much is Jericho's career altered? He didn't win another "world" title until what, 2008? Does he even stick around long enough for that?

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #17 on:** January 14, 2020, 12:03:27 PM »

Quote from: Winter Epicland on January 14, 2020, 03:02:59 AM

TIL that Kidman's gimmick in WCW when he was in Raven's Flock was that he was a heroin addict, hence why he constantly scratched himself.

See what happens when every single detail isn't spoonfed to me?

They also called the shooting star press "The Seven Year Itch" to really drive home the junkie gimmick and no, I didn't realize Kidman was supposed to be a junkie until a couple years ago. You know what though? Good. It would have been more messed up if eight year old Kamala was like "Oh Billy Kidman is supposed to be a heroin addict now!"

Harley Quinn · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM »

Man... re-watching the infamous Dumpster moment from the 2/8/98 Raw when the New Age Outlaws send a dumpster with Foley/Funk off the ramp, it's such a crazy moment. I completely blanked on wrestlers literally attacking Road Dogg, etc. at the ramp and stuff. So bonkers and yet it largely goes under the radar in crazy Attitude moments.

The Valeyard · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2020, 02:28:45 PM »

It was the styrofoam peanuts.

Winter Epicland · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2020, 02:57:44 PM »

Quote from: Harley Quinn on January 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM

Man... re-watching the infamous Dumpster moment from the 2/8/98 Raw when the New Age Outlaws send a dumpster with Foley/Funk off the ramp, it's such a crazy moment. I completely blanked on wrestlers literally attacking Road Dogg, etc. at the ramp and stuff. So bonkers and yet it largely goes under the radar in crazy Attitude moments.

That moment has a top 3 JR call for me: "THERE'S PEOPLE IN THERE!"

Avid Warehouse Enthusiast · « **Reply #21 on:** January 15, 2020, 11:29:55 PM »

Looking back, that was one of my favorite feuds of 1998 WWF.

Super Leather · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2020, 05:43:01 AM »

https://rocknwrestling.blogspot.com/2020/01/three-legends-fallen.html

New blog went up this morning about Pampero Firpo, Kendo Nagasaki, and Rocky Johnson.

LaParkaYourCar · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2020, 07:58:33 AM »

http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/classic-wrestling-review-king-of-the-ring-95/

Here's my review of King of the Ring '95.

Saints_Fan_H · « **Reply #24 on:** January 18, 2020, 11:33:39 AM »

Quote from: LaParkaYourCar on January 18, 2020, 07:58:33 AM

http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/classic-wrestling-review-king-of-the-ring-95/

Here's my review of King of the Ring '95.

You know, I watched this like most PPVs of the day, listening to it on scramble vision with no visuals, like a radio broadcast. At 14, it didn't register to me that this was a terrible show, other than that a heel won. I was excited for Vega. It didn't occur to me that it was bad booking that the big names were eliminated early.

And the backstage photo you have of Jerry "the King" Lawler during the hype package, I thought that was a PBR can in the background at first glance.

The "Creatures of the night" fans were a nice touch that I wish would have stuck around more.

Frankly, hindsight, the wrong match ended the show. If they were not going to end it with the tournament final, they should have chose the Bret Hart/Jerry Lawler match. Non-champion Bret puts on a better match (to me) than injured champ Diesel.

Love your write up. Thanks again for sharing your work with us.

LaParkaYourCar · « **Reply #25 on:** January 18, 2020, 12:51:50 PM »

Quote from: Saints_Fan_H on January 18, 2020, 11:33:39 AM

Quote from: LaParkaYourCar on January 18, 2020, 07:58:33 AM
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/classic-wrestling-review-king-of-the-ring-95/

Here's my review of King of the Ring '95.
You know, I watched this like most PPVs of the day, listening to it on scramble vision with no visuals, like a radio broadcast. At 14, it didn't register to me that this was a terrible show, other than that a heel won. I was excited for Vega. It didn't occur to me that it was bad booking that the big names were eliminated early.

And the backstage photo you have of Jerry "the King" Lawler during the hype package, I thought that was a PBR can in the background at first glance.

The "Creatures of the night" fans were a nice touch that I wish would have stuck around more.

Frankly, hindsight, the wrong match ended the show. If they were not going to end it with the tournament final, they should have chose the Bret Hart/Jerry Lawler match. Non-champion Bret puts on a better match (to me) than injured champ Diesel.

Love your write up. Thanks again for sharing your work with us.

Ah, scramblevision. I watched most of the PPVs that way back then unless my cousin invited me over to his house. That brings back memories.

Thrasher · « **Reply #26 on:** January 18, 2020, 03:04:59 PM »

WHOSE FEET HIT FIRST?!

Bret Hart and Lex Luger are, disappointingly, your co-winners... though most of the crowd was in favor of the Hitman pic.twitter.com/nFMqwx8ZEa
— OVP - Retro Wrestling Podcast (@ovppodcast) January 18, 2020

I really think Luger hit the floor first.

Saints_Fan_H · « **Reply #27 on:** January 18, 2020, 06:19:49 PM »

Man I love that old Wrestlemania theme.

I really feel like the execution from Fink and Tunney could have been a lot better in '94.

Thrasher · « **Reply #28 on:** January 19, 2020, 03:45:07 AM »

Quote from: THE TUGSTER on January 14, 2020, 11:36:32 AM

Not sure how common knowledge this is, but I saw an article the other day where Kurt Angle said that he was originally going to become Undisputed champion at Vengeance, but Vince changed his mind five days before the show and went with Jericho. Suppose Vince doesn't change his mind, how much is Jericho's career altered? He didn't win another "world" title until what, 2008? Does he even stick around long enough for that?

If Angle wins, does he get paired with Steph again? Jericho was probably the right choice to win. Or have Rock win it and make Hogan/Rock for the titles since it was the main event.

Avid Warehouse Enthusiast · « **Reply #29 on:** January 19, 2020, 07:55:50 AM »

Jericho was the right choice because Angle, by that point, would've been cheered so loudly over Hunter that the WM18 main is even...

...know what? I just convinced myself that it should've been Angle. Damn.

The Amazing Rando · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2020, 08:06:31 AM »

Do they just swap Jericho and Angle's feuds? Does Jericho face Kane at Mania? You can easily put Jericho against HHH for the Mania title shot, but leave Steph out of it and just have HHH win at No Way Out instead of the next night. Putting Steph with Angle against HHH would probably still get HHH cheered. The end result is still most like HHH to Hogan to Rock to Brock and you could go either way with either Jericho or Angle feuding with the debuting Cena and the other feuding with the debuting Rey Mysterio.

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #31 on:** **Today** at 02:02:09 AM »

Not sure where this falls in the conversation but Jericho said first month or two of his run were so bad that there were talks that he would drop the title to NASH at No Way Out '02 then NASH would drop it back to Triple H next month but Triple H thought that Jericho as Stephanie's manservant program was more of a draw than a Kliq Klash.

Chickenshit Heel Jericho Vs NWO Nash would have been weird af but tbh, I think Triple H conquering the muscle of the NWO would've been a better main event storyline than him beating Stephanie's manservant (even if they would've sacrificed some workrate quality).

Thrasher · « **Reply #32 on:** **Today** at 03:49:48 AM »

It would have been worth it for all the complaints on the net about the Kliq playing politics. Hell put Hall instead of Nash. He can't crash and burn in one month right? Austin can face Jericho instead.

Sty Guy Kamala · « **Reply #33 on:** **Today** at 03:55:04 AM »

Yeah. Imagine how the IWC would have screamed if NASH got a cup of coffee with the World Title in '02.

Although that might have slowed down the Triple H backlash by a few months, maybe?

By the time, Triple H and Kevin Nash actually feuded in '03, the IWC was fully in "Fuck that guy" mode for him and that feud was about as welcomed by them as the idea of wearing deodorant.

Thrasher · « **Reply #34 on:** **Today** at 01:36:07 PM »

To veer a little bit, the Undisputed Belt was cursed or mishandled, right?

Jericho wins it as a heel. He's there to carry it for Triple H. HHH as a lame duck and super roided up champ immediately drops it to Hulk Hogan. The Hogan drops it to Taker a month later. Taker drops it to The Rock and then Lesnar wins as the last champ. That's like six champs in a nine month span.

The Amazing Rando · « **Reply #35 on:** **Today** at 01:58:25 PM »

I know it wasn't Undisputed after Brock won it, but wasn't that belt around clear up until Cena switched it to the Spinner?

Also, remember that in 1999 there were about a dozen title changes with seven different people holding it. 2009 also had 7 different champs. The Big Gold Belt also had a year with 7 different recognized champs (2011) and a few years with 6.

Tino Standard · « **Reply #36 on:** **Today** at 02:37:09 PM »

I’m not sure if we’re talking about the undisputed champion as a titleholder or the physical belt itself, but Jericho never actually got to hold that belt. He carried the Attitude Era eagle and the Big Gold as champion. The single, new belt for the undisputed champ was presented to Triple H on Raw shortly after he won the title at WM18.

(Side note: This is where I lose my mind over WWE refusing to use the word “belt.” A “title” is a distinction, not a piece of physical property. The two terms aren’t interchangeable.)

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