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Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« on: June 18, 2018, 12:50:25 PM »
Right now there are rumors that DC is going all over the place where their films because they aren't planning on staying in a sole, contained universe but now want to make a variety of stories with a variety of actor involvement.  Some of this stemmed from going forward on another Batman without Ben Affleck whether that includes the same person who may replace him in another Justice League if he doesn't come back or not.

There's rumors they keep the DCEU and then make films aimed at a different audience tentatively labelled DC Black or I forget what the other similar name was but it is similar to the more mature comic line.

The other main character leading this proposed initiative is The Joker because the studio wants to pump out multiple Joker films.  There's talk of a Suicide Squad Jared Leto spinoff again.

The other project that is set for filming in a few months is a Joker origin, said to mirror The Killing Joke.  The film is being directed by Todd Phillips and produced by Scorsese.  Joaquin Phoenix has been heavily rumored to play the lead but nothing is official yet, despite filming starting in New York in September.  Right now the working title is "Romeo" so clearly that is more for filming purposes.  The other big update coming out is that with Scorsese's involvement that they are working on casting DeNiro in a significant role in this film, which is supposed to be a gritty crime film taking place in 1980s Gotham.

Probably will want to split or create more threads when/if these films start getting released but right now there are six projects right now that involve Joker in some capacity - Todd Phillips Joker, Leto Joker, Suicide Squad 2, Harley Quinn solo film, Harley and Joker project and Birds of Prey.
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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 01:56:47 PM »
The Todd Phillips/Joaquin Phoenix Joker film is officially titled simply Joker.  The release date has been announced for October 4, 2019.  Interestingly it is one month before the next Wonder Woman, which even though already filming, the Wonder Woman film will be more effects heavy.  The releases being so close together is more interesting to me because both films are set in the 1980s.
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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 02:01:51 PM »
Todd Philips? Uh...

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 04:29:17 AM »
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These talks have been going on for weeks, but a deal is near and they have finally worked out the financials. As opposed to the iconic turn Jack Nicholson took in the Joker role in Tim Burton’s Batman, De Niro will be bringing his iconic status to a different role. Sources said he’ll play a formative figure in the development of the character who eventually becomes The Joker. But De Niro’s character is not a villain, I’m told.

https://deadline.com/2018/07/robert-de-niro-in-talks-for-joaquin-phoenix-joker-film-from-todd-phillips-1202431842/


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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2018, 03:49:28 PM »
Alec Baldwin has been cast as Thomas Wayne, Batman's father.

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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2018, 10:20:16 AM »
Alec Baldwin has already left the project.

Curious who gets cast now as Baldwin took the role after Viggo Mortenson turned it down.
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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 10:22:07 AM »
Just cast Daniel Baldwin.

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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2018, 02:00:10 AM »
Marc Maron just mentioned on his podcast that he's been cast in the film. I'm glad his acting career has taken off since GLOW.

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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2018, 04:31:03 AM »
I don't understand what origin this is supposed to be telling. The Joker in Suicide Squad? A different Joker? Is this Earth 176.9B? Or do they not care about sewing these movies together into some sort of actual continuity?

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 04:39:52 AM »
Trey don’t.  DC is doing a new approach where there isn’t continuity - especially with multiple different Joker movies. They are currently planning on treating it like comics where they have Elseworld stories separate from canon and all the different imprints.  Think the are just flinging stuff until someone likes their movies now.
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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2018, 05:11:34 AM »
It's supposed to be an origin story, but I do also think it's Elseworlds. Which is good as sometimes I would rather see things like that, and if an actor like Phoenix wants to play the Joker, they should do it.



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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2018, 05:33:34 AM »
Yeah, actually now that you mention it.. with the state of their main movie universe, I'd rather this be an "elseworld" thing as well.

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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2018, 06:52:04 AM »
I never caught these cast notes. Lol I can't see how this could be shitty considering who's in the cast and that this isn't supposed to tie into anything else.


Joaquin Phoenix as Arthur Fleck / Joker:
A failed stand-up comedian disregarded by society who is driven insane and becomes a psychopathic criminal mastermind.[2][3] Phoenix is the seventh actor to portray the Joker in a film;[4] prior to his casting, Leonardo DiCaprio had been considered.[5] Phoenix had been interested in a low-budget "character study" of a comic book character and his agent recommended that he set up a meeting with Warner Bros. to discuss, but he ultimately declined. Phoenix later became interested when the project was announced, stating, "It feels unique, it is its own world in some ways, and maybe ... It might as well be the thing that scares you the most".[6] Phoenix lost a considerable amount of weight in preparation.[7]

Robert De Niro as a talk show host[8]

Frances Conroy as Penny Fleck: Arthur's mother.[12]

Brett Cullen as Thomas Wayne:
A billionaire philanthropist traditionally depicted as the father of Bruce Wayne, who years later becomes the Joker's archenemy Batman. Unlike the source material, he plays a role in the Joker's origins and is less sympathetic than traditional incarnations.[13] Alec Baldwin was initially cast in the role, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts.[14][15]

Marc Maron as an agent[17]


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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2018, 12:05:56 PM »
While most of the focus is on the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie, which will likely be the good one, the proposed Joker/Harley one has turned in a final script.

The writers have been involved with Bad Santa and This is Us and are hoping to get the real Dr. Phil to play himself in the script they wrote.

https://comicbook.com/dc/2018/09/21/joker-harley-quinn-spinoff-movie-details/
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2019, 10:03:29 AM »
Much too Pagliacci.

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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2019, 04:21:14 AM »
This looks like it could be really good. I’m in.

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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2019, 04:27:32 AM »
Wow, that looks fantastic.

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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2019, 04:40:09 AM »
Looks good and Phoenix seems fantastic in the role giving it a bit of a different, almost humanistic spin in the evolution of the character.

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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2019, 07:32:00 AM »
Good trailer, but I'm still not sold on Todd Philips directing it.

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2019, 09:23:38 AM »
Todd Phillips has confirmed that it will be rated R

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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2019, 07:35:44 AM »
Phillips latest statement is comic fans will likely not be happy as they didn’t take any inspiration from any existing comics and just wrote their own story about a guy becoming Joker, so not to waste time with any fan theories on things as they did no real research.
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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2019, 10:52:10 AM »
I’m kinda tired of hearing everyone involved in this Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie being quoted with how much they don’t like comic book movies.  Do whatever you need to feel artsy and make your awards push but it seems odd to ostracize the built-in fanbase.  Though they’ve already conceded to upsetting many of them with the liberties they planned to take.
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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2019, 01:37:06 AM »
I'm suspecting this will be an amazing performance from Phoenix mixed in with a really meh film. All the parts from the trailer I enjoyed are with him only.

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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2019, 06:00:49 AM »
I’m kinda tired of hearing everyone involved in this Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie being quoted with how much they don’t like comic book movies.  Do whatever you need to feel artsy and make your awards push but it seems odd to ostracize the built-in fanbase.  Though they’ve already conceded to upsetting many of them with the liberties they planned to take.

I'm starting to get the sense that Todd Phillips really wanted to make an Oscar-bait, pro-redpiller movie, but couldn't get it greenlit, so he glued a "Joker" label onto his script, to get it sold.

This is going to be Starship Troopers, all over again.

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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2019, 06:17:42 AM »
Based on the description and script, there's nothing pro red pill about this movie unless you think that a guy brutally murdering some girl because he was rejected by her is cool. Maybe 1% of the population thinks that.

This movie is far more about the Joker just being plain out fucking evil. A villain is a villain.


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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2019, 06:20:19 AM »
I'm just here to see one of the best actors alive doing his thing and playing one of the best comic characters, so I don't care about all this extraneous stuff.

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« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2019, 06:31:07 AM »
Starship Troopers is also a hilarious takedown of right wing fascist ideas. So I'm confused right now.


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« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2019, 06:36:40 AM »
Starship Troopers is also a hilarious takedown of right wing fascist ideas. So I'm confused right now.

Yeah lol. Starship Troopers was complete satire and it wasn't hard to pick up on it.

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« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2019, 06:50:37 AM »
Starship Troopers is also a hilarious takedown of right wing fascist ideas. So I'm confused right now.

The only thing wrong with the Starship Troopers movie is that it didn't have much of anything to do with the novel it took its title from.

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« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2019, 07:01:56 AM »
Starship Troopers is also a hilarious takedown of right wing fascist ideas. So I'm confused right now.

The only thing wrong with the Starship Troopers movie is that it didn't have much of anything to do with the novel it took its title from.
The original "RoboCop" and (I think) "Total Recall" are also dark satires of those kinds of ideologies. "RoboCop" in particular is a critique of Reaganomics, the Cold War and Reagan era politics in general, while both that and "Recall" tackle themes of class struggle and oppression.

Also, I don't know if the novel "Starship Troopers" would've been as good as the movie. There's just something about the dark humor and it's understanding of how and why fascism is appealing to some people that makes the movie better IMO.

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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2019, 07:08:46 AM »
As for "Joker": people misinterpreting movies is unfortunately nothing new. Look at how many dudes who love "Taxi Driver", "Goodfellas" and "Fight Club" and completely miss the point of them. Hell, "Fight Club" is a book and movie that's making fun of dumb meatheads. It's not the creators fault that some don't realize this.

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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2019, 07:45:06 AM »
Starship Troopers is also a hilarious takedown of right wing fascist ideas. So I'm confused right now.

The only thing wrong with the Starship Troopers movie is that it didn't have much of anything to do with the novel it took its title from.
The original "RoboCop" and (I think) "Total Recall" are also dark satires of those kinds of ideologies. "RoboCop" in particular is a critique of Reaganomics, the Cold War and Reagan era politics in general, while both that and "Recall" tackle themes of class struggle and oppression.

Also, I don't know if the novel "Starship Troopers" would've been as good as the movie. There's just something about the dark humor and it's understanding of how and why fascism is appealing to some people that makes the movie better IMO.

FWIW, I read the book, before I saw the movie. IIRC, Neumeier's original screenplay didn't necessarily have anything to do with the book, that it was more or less suggested to him that attaching his project to the novel might help him get it produced (since some people noticed some superficial similarities), and that Verhoeven hadn't even read the book, before agreeing to direct and that, when he tried to reading it, he only got a couple chapters into it, before putting it down. So Starship Troopers might be a good movie, but it's not really a Starship Troopers movie, kinda like Logan is a very good movie, but it's not particularly an X-Men movie.

I believe that something similar happened with this Joker movie: the director's own comments have led me to believe that the only reason why this movie is called Joker is because that's what his advisers convinced him he had to do, in order to get his project funded. That, if he could have done this same movie without any attachment to DC Comics, in any way, shape or form, he would have. And, honestly, if the movie wasn't called Joker, and they didn't name-drop Gotham, and he didn't wear the wig or the facepaint, but everything else in the trailer happened exactly the same, nobody would come away from that trailer thinking that it was supposed to be about the Joker.

@909, maybe. I'll stipulate that I may have watched the trailer "wrong"; perhaps it was one of those, "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail"-type of things. But, to me, that trailer came across like the movie was written by somebody who watched Falling Down, and thought that Michael Douglas' character was the hero.

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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2019, 12:58:11 PM »
@909, maybe. I'll stipulate that I may have watched the trailer "wrong"; perhaps it was one of those, "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail"-type of things. But, to me, that trailer came across like the movie was written by somebody who watched Falling Down, and thought that Michael Douglas' character was the hero.[/color]

I think this is the avenue they had to use to get people in the theater. Because, for some reason anyway, a lot of people like Joker for what he actually is instead of because he's a great foil to Batman. There are some reviews out there if you don't mind spoilers.


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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2019, 10:21:41 AM »
The Army sent a memo out to its members warning them to be aware of violence outbreaks at screenings of this film and to be aware of all entrances and exits in their theatre.

The theatre that had the Dark Knight Rises shooting in Aurora will not be screening the film.

Several theatres are banning some or all of masks, face paint and costumes for audience members.
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We didn’t make the movie to push buttons,” Phillips told TheWrap’s Sharon Waxman in an interview last Friday about the filmmaking process. “I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, ‘Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film’. It wasn’t, ‘We want to glorify this behavior.’ It was literally like ‘Let’s make a real movie with a real budget and we’ll call it f–ing Joker’. That’s what it was. “

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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2019, 11:20:40 AM »
Reviving the moral panic reserved for Mortal Kombat and Marilyn Manson in the 90s for a highbrow comic book movie but now it's adult men we're worried about being driven to violence by the subversive entertainment. Culture in the Trump era is truly off the wall.

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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2019, 11:56:31 AM »
If you're going to get violent over a guy wearing clown makeup then you're not an adult.

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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2019, 12:02:22 PM »
If you're going to get violent over a guy wearing clown makeup then you're not an adult.

I think if you get violent over someone in clown makeup that means you're The 70s Guy Mike Awesome.
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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2019, 03:44:02 AM »
I'm shocked that people on Twitter are shocked that Todd Phillips is decrying PC culture and SJWs ruining comedy in the press junkets for this film. I'm SHOCKED SHOCKED I TELL YA that the guy who directed The Hangover trilogy and got his career start making a hagiography of GG Allin is anti-wokeness :o :o :o

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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2019, 06:04:32 AM »
lol.

The whole outcry around this movie was created partly by the director and studio as a marketing ploy and (mostly) by the media. It's very hard not to be cynical about it all.

Still looking forward to the flick though!

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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2019, 09:50:48 AM »
Reviving the moral panic reserved for Mortal Kombat and Marilyn Manson in the 90s for a highbrow comic book movie but now it's adult men we're worried about being driven to violence by the subversive entertainment.
All of those teenage boys who got wound up over Marilyn Manson grew up but didn't stop getting so easily wound up. We truly are all stars now in the dope show.

I really want to want to see this movie but Joaquin Phoenix in the trailer looks way too much like a skeevy, rapey comic I know. So I guess good job to him and the costume department. :-\ :-\ :-\

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« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2019, 01:23:38 PM »
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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2019, 05:07:51 AM »
Really great film in a Requiem For a Dream kind of way. It's definitely a tough watch and may be not for everybody. Dark would be a very accurate description to the tone/feel of the entire movie.

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- Fantastically shot by Phillips. A lot of great long shots, zooms, isolation. He should get recognition for his efforts.
- Phoenix was an absolute tour de force. By the end of the movie, I forgot it was an actor playing the character and completely bought into the role/performance. Stunning. Should be an easy Oscar nomination IMO.
- While there were few deaths, they were very stark, realistic, and chilling to see. Phillips did a great job shooting these almost in a disaffected manner. The death of
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Randall in particular
was brutal but also led to one of the film's few laugh out loud moments immediately after in my theater group.
- Very black comedy element to everything going on.
- This is what Nolan 'talks about' when he mentioned The Dark Knight being realistic or down to earth. This film is first and foremost a study in mental health illness (which it does make pretty on the nose at times) and how a son can gradually devolve. I did like that it also touched on generational mental health and how sometimes it can be a result of other family members and what they do (or don't do in this case). The whole movie felt real in a painful manner and nothing came off as over the top or goofy.
- For the most part, the Gotham stuff was fine to me and felt part of the background of everything going on. The only scene that felt overly forced was the
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Wayne death scene
but you kind of knew that was coming once the Thomas Wayne subplot started getting more focus.

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Re: Joker Spinoff Spectacular
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2019, 09:59:39 AM »
If the Gotham stuff is in the background, wouldn't that support the notion that this movie didn't need to be attached to the DC property in the first place, and that this movie would have been just as good (presuming I take your word for it) if it wasn't called "Joker"?