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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #750 on: August 22, 2019, 03:31:03 AM »
I watched Hogan/Luger on Nitro '97. Hogan dominated the match till Luger racked him to win the WCW/nWo Championship. There was a large pop but a lot of garbage was thrown in the ring. A lot of WCW wrestlers came into the ring to celebrate. Anyway, why did WCW hotshot the title to Luger? The build for the year was Sting/Hogan.

A quick google search indicates it was to pop a rating and hope it would create buzz for the PPV

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #751 on: August 22, 2019, 03:31:36 AM »
Luger was constantly punked by the nWo so I feel like they felt Hogan needed to get some comeuppance so WCW's credibility wouldn't be destroyed. I don't think Hogan cared since he was getting the title back right away anyway.

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« Reply #752 on: August 22, 2019, 04:20:12 AM »
Luger was feuding with Hogan for months, he was the WCW leader while Sting was in the rafters, and the fans wanted it.


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« Reply #753 on: August 22, 2019, 04:36:50 AM »
Yeah it gets overlooked because of Sting's new look and the rise of DDP in 97, but Luger was ridiculously over at the time. He probably should've held it for a month or two instead of five days.

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« Reply #754 on: August 22, 2019, 05:43:10 AM »
It was some sort of milestone episode of Nitro as well iirc
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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #755 on: August 22, 2019, 06:09:09 AM »
It was Nitro's 100th episode and the first three hour show.

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« Reply #756 on: August 23, 2019, 05:22:28 AM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/awa-wrestling-on-espn-9-3-1985/

With the AWA entering the national (cable) TV world on ESPN, I felt it would be interesting to look at an early episode and breakdown what they did right and wrong in their bid to compete with the WWF and JCP. 
- One of the AWA announcers is larger than the main event talents. 
- How long is too long for a squash match?
- A future creepy criminal covets a championship
- A villian straight off of headlining some WWF shows makes his AWA return
- The worst Road Warriors music video ever! 
- Hawk and Animal, now babyfaces, cut a heel promo. 
- Champions who are booked don't even bother to show up for a National TV taping. 
- A top heel is shown being beaten clean. 
- Future ECW and WWF talents find work as jabronis.
- Rick Martel has a big time title defense against Terry Gordy~! 
- The Freebirds act is neutered by editing choices. 
 

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #757 on: August 23, 2019, 06:29:41 PM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/from-the-wwe-network-smackem-whackem/

SMACK'EM WHACK'EM

- Lord Al hosts with the Bushwackers. This ends in his Lordship's untimely death. Uh, Spoiler alert.
- The Hitman and HBK have an excellent ladder match
- Bret Hart facing Ric Flair proves to be a letdown as two of the best ever cannot gel in the ring.
- KAMALA works a much different, but somehow better match with Hart.  Yeah, probably not a popular opinion.
- We spend 10 minutes watching Yokozuna eat.  That is not a metaphor.
- Crush and the Berzerker fulfil our daily requirement of HOSS.
- Earthquake and the Repo Man have a pointless, terrible little match.
- The Undertaker does his best zombie monster act as he battles Razor Ramon in a rare encounter between the two stars.

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« Reply #758 on: August 24, 2019, 06:01:22 AM »
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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #759 on: August 26, 2019, 02:25:06 AM »
I legit didn't know there was a storyline reason for the Boss' gimmick being dropped. I just thought WWF threatened the lawsuit and he just randomly went out one night as the Guardian Angel. Good to know!

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #760 on: August 26, 2019, 02:42:35 AM »
I legit didn't know there was a storyline reason for the Boss' gimmick being dropped. I just thought WWF threatened the lawsuit and he just randomly went out one night at the Guardian Angel. Good to know!

IIRC Traylor becoming "the Guardian Angel" after training with them actually earned him 2nd runner up in PWI's "Inspirational Wrestler of the Year" award.

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« Reply #761 on: August 27, 2019, 02:57:56 PM »
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I hate watched the Guest Host era of RAW pretty regularly so I'm amazed I've blocked this out of my memory.

Did Vince Russo guest write this cold open!?

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« Reply #762 on: August 27, 2019, 11:10:09 PM »
I love watching Jake Roberts matches and trying to see the subtle 'psychology' he employs. A perfect example from the first 1987 episode of Prime Time Wrestling: Tito Santana lands on his feet and re-enters the ring. Goes to punch Roberts twice but Roberts blocks both and saunters around pointing out how smart he is to the fans. Then he turns around only to get decked by Santana and roll out onto the apron.

Such a simple little moment but so great.

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« Reply #763 on: August 28, 2019, 02:49:27 PM »
I love watching Jake Roberts matches and trying to see the subtle 'psychology' he employs. A perfect example from the first 1987 episode of Prime Time Wrestling: Tito Santana lands on his feet and re-enters the ring. Goes to punch Roberts twice but Roberts blocks both and saunters around pointing out how smart he is to the fans. Then he turns around only to get decked by Santana and roll out onto the apron.

Such a simple little moment but so great.
He's such an interesting human, especially now that he's got his personal life together and demons reigned in. He gets visibly uncomfortable when fans heap the praise on him for his amazing work, but damn he can fill 3-4 hours verbally telling the same narrative from his POV. And it's damn enthralling.

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #764 on: August 30, 2019, 07:57:06 PM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wrasslin-back-in-the-day-wwf-boston-garden-9-7-1985/

WWF at the Boston Garden 9/7/85 
 
- Lanny Poffo offers new tricks on wrestling physics 
- Cpl. Kirschner defends America against the evil forces of the Swamp People. 
- King Kong Bundy cosplays as Dracula. 
- Gorilla Monsoon finally finds a wrestler who can apply a proper abdominal stretch! 
- Monsoon always offers up why women are inferior athletes
- Haku makes an uninspired debut 
- A rather terrible card if your looking for competitive bouts as Hogan defending against Bundy is far and away the most notable encounter 
- Greg Valentine has to try and do the wrestling for 5 other guys in the co-main event as he is saddled with old guys and Beefcake. 

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #766 on: August 31, 2019, 11:35:40 PM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/classic-wrestling-review-when-worlds-collide-94/

Here's my review of ECW's When Worlds Collide '94.

I love reading your ECW reviews with the knowledge that came from watching Hardcore TV so much on my end so I know a lot of the 'back story' to these matches. It's the ECW equivalent of watching Raws before PPVs in the 1990s. It's also funny that in all the talk about the Sandman character, poor Tommy Cairo and their feud gets neglected at just how influential it was in turning Sandman into Sandman that we all know and love.

I should also warn you that a lot of the 1994 and even 1995 shows relied more on furthering the angles as opposed to being the classic WCW/WWF equivalent of a 'blow off match' type set up.

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #767 on: September 01, 2019, 09:54:27 AM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/from-the-wwe-network-the-ultimate-warrior-92/

THE ULTIMATE WAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRIOOOR! (1992)

- A look at the Hogan/Warrior classic and how it holds up after nearly 30 years of changes in the biz. 
- A reminder of what the match meant to fans at the time. 
- We then skip ahead to Warrior's return in 1992 as we see him battle Papa Shango in singles and tag team action. 
- Shango proves that even in defeat it is always good to dress for success. 
- Sadly the tape skips Shango's spells on the Warrior that drew such RECORD BUSINESS.
- We also see Warrior beat up the Nasty Boyz, Skinner and the Berzerker. 
- John Nord steals the show with his bumping. 
- At least the tape is only an hour. Sigh. (Augh?)  

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #768 on: September 04, 2019, 09:13:02 AM »
Random observation: Did the WWF lower the height of the ring ropes sometime during the mid-80's or were wrestlers just generally shorter back then?  Watching some of the early 80's MSG shows and it seems like there are a lot of guys who are shoulder/neck level with the top rope.
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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #769 on: September 04, 2019, 04:36:08 PM »
I wanted to watch HBK/Diesel IYH: Good Friends, Better Enemies and decided to stream the show.

Owen Hart/Bulldog beat Jake The Snake and Ahmed Johnson. I think this was supposed to be a singles match but ended up a tag. Jake kept teasing the DDT and it got a good pop from the crowd. Ahmed was an intense and reckless wrestler. He dropped Owen a couple of times. Jake ended up submitting to an awful leg lock.

The Ultimate Warrior beats Goldust by countout. Scott Keith wrote a bad review for this match because of all the stalling. I liked it. Warrior wore a hat and smoked a cigar. The fans were really into him.

Vader beat Razor Ramon by sitting on him after Ramon tried to roll him up. I think in retrospect was psychologically beaten up by Paul Orndorff. Vader isn't shape like he was in WCW. If Ramon's leaving, I think this should have been more of a squash. Razor kicked out a Vader Bomb. Ramon was over with the crowd and Vince shouldn't have let him leave.

Vader leaves the ring and tells him cause he won, he gets to face Yokozuna at the next IYH. What would have happened if Vader lost?

The Bodydonnas beat the Godwinns. Whatever.

HBK beat Diesel. Kevin Nash's last good match. Vince needed Nash to stay too.

Somewhere in the show there was a vignette played building to HBK/Bulldog at the next IYH.


I know this isn't a fantasy booking thread but at the next IYH have Taker/HBK and Mankind can run interference and cost Undertaker the match.
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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #770 on: September 05, 2019, 12:54:05 AM »
RE: Goldust/Warrior, I believe Goldust was injured at the time so that's why they booked the match that way. The guy who plays the usher who bumps for Warrior was played by MANTAUR!

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #771 on: September 05, 2019, 02:39:12 AM »
Vader had a shoulder injury and was older than you may think when he signed with the WWF, so his weight gain was probably harder to overcome than it should have been. 
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The WWF at Maple Leaf Garden Sept. 1985
- A multi time champion from the Florida territory wallows in the prelims upon his debut
- Dino Bravo cosplays as 1991 Jacques Rougeau
- King Kong Bundy tangles with someone less mobile than he is.
- The Killer Bee's had theme music?!?!?!
- Ricky Steamboat shows great fire as he tears into Don Muraco in a Lumberjack match.
- Haku continues to be a poor babyface.
- Uncle Elmer proves to be the worst worker on the show.
- Lanny Poffo showcases his abilities as he grapples with "Cowboy" Bob Orton
- Jesse Ventura proves to be popular with the fans, even though he is challenging IC champ "Chico" Santana.

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #772 on: September 05, 2019, 03:37:37 AM »
I actually had a good, similar discussion about whether or not Vader was unjustly treated by WWF with a friend who is a former worker. Easy to forget that Vader was already a 10 year veteran with lots of miles on the odometer when he got there. It's not like Vince was getting peak Vader.

Super easy to blame HBK for being a baby during their feud but Vader was kind of sloppy and clumsy at that point in his career.

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #773 on: September 05, 2019, 04:43:29 AM »
Vader was repeatedly asked to drop weight and either wouldn't or couldn't. I still think HBK should share some of the blame for Vader not reaching the top of the card but Vader was his own worst enemy at key points during his time there.

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #774 on: September 05, 2019, 05:26:12 AM »
Vader in an interview with Steve Austin said he came into 1996 injured.

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« Reply #775 on: September 05, 2019, 06:23:41 AM »
Vader in an interview with Steve Austin said he came into 1996 injured.
I mentioned that in my post above.  Vader worked the Inoki Tokyo Dome show, then the Rumble before doing the Savio angle to write him off for surgery.

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« Reply #776 on: September 07, 2019, 05:56:36 AM »
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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #777 on: September 09, 2019, 03:48:53 PM »
https://www.wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=shows&show=20627

I was looking through old wrestling cards and this is the first Raw I went to. Apparently I saw Brakkus wrestle.

It's Raw is War July 27, 1998.
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« Reply #778 on: September 11, 2019, 11:49:15 AM »
God bless Bobby Heenan.

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« Reply #779 on: September 13, 2019, 02:39:56 AM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wrasslin-back-in-the-day-cwfs-battle-of-the-belts/

CWF's Battle of the Belts 1!!
- Wahoo McDaniel defies his age as he battles NWA champ Ric Flair in a 3 Fall fight for the gold.  
- The Road Warriors have a FIGHT on their hands as they match up with Stan Hansen and Harley Race! 
- AWA Champ Rick Martel fails to appear, leading to a poor replacement taking his spot against Nick Bockwinkel 
- Cocoa Samoa's crazy life outside of wrestling proves to be more entertaining than his match. 
- Rookie sensation Kendall Windham struggles with a jabroni.
- Percy Pringle does his best to entertain us in lieu of the action in the ring. 
- A raw Rick Rude shows his potential as he grapples with Billy Jack Haynes. 

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Re: Old School Observations/Questions: 2018-2019 Edition
« Reply #781 on: September 14, 2019, 10:47:01 PM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-best-of-memphis-wrestling-volume-4/

The Best of Memphis Wrasslin Vol. 4

- Monster heels sing the music of their homeland.
- Bill Dundee's ego shows through as he beats up multiple babyfaces by himself.
- Jerry Lawler wins a squash in a most amusing manner.
- Memphis becomes a hot territory as The Flame, The Torch, The Inferno and Fire all make appearances.
- Tojo Yamamoto sets back race relations 50 years with his promos.
- Promoter Eddie Marlin is busted up while trying to get involved in a battle between Jeff Jarrett, Pat Tanaka and Tojo's hired goons.
- We close with a bonus six man match from JCP where the JYD partners with an ex-football player, and a notoriously awful worker to face off with a former world champ, a crippled manager and a resthold loving Oriental assassin! Can it be as bad as it sounds?

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« Reply #782 on: September 16, 2019, 04:48:11 AM »
In news only Brody could care about, I learned this morning WCW No Limit Soldier SWOLL worked in the AWA during its dying days. He was a former Denver Bronco named Randy Thornton.

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« Reply #783 on: September 20, 2019, 03:10:16 AM »
http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-best-of-memphis-wrestling-volume-5/

The Best of Memphis Wrasslin Vol. 5!
- Big Stan Frazier returns to the area, drawing crowds and having dreadful matches.  
- Cheesy gimmicks run amuck as we get Beach bums facing some sort of cyberpunk, glam rock heels 
- JOE MOTHERF#*#**# LEDUC kills jobbers.  I love this man!!!!
- Tommy Rich is battered into a bloody mess.  How many times did Memphis fans see that? It's still awesome. 
- The action is so wild, even the backstage office goons wind up busted open. 
- Jerry Lawler promises to commit a straight up homicide. 
- The mysterious identity of Mr. Liberty
- Bam Bam Bigelow puts the MONSTER in monster heel. 
- This was an outstandingly fun hour of southern wrasslin' goodness!