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2019 NFL Draft
« on: January 13, 2019, 02:40:00 AM »
We're a few weeks away from the end of the NFL Season with the Super Bowl on the horizon and that means NFL Draft talk! Lot of big names including: QB Will Grier (West Virginia), QB Kyler Murray (Oklahoma), QB Dwayne Haskins (Ohio State), RB Bryce Love (Stanford), WR A.J. Brown (Ole Miss), WR Marquise Brown (Oklahoma), TE Noah Fant (Iowa), DE Nick Bosa (Ohio State), DE Josh Allen (Kentucky), DT Quinnen Williams (Alabama), and DT Ed Oliver (Houston).

I probably won't go as in-depth as I usually do for player rankings but this could be an interesting QB Class down the road depending on who pans out. Guys like Daniel Jones (Duke), Brett Rypien (Boise State), and Easton Stick (North Dakota State) have obvious talent but are trending behind Murray (if he enters), Haskins, Drew Lock, and Grier as far as notable names. Outside of Murray and maybe Haskins or Lock pending preference, there's no real "sure fire" QB compared to past years with QBs like Pat Mahomes and Baker Mayfield.

Let me know who you're really high on. I know 909's been pimping Marquise Brown out of Oklahoma for at least 2 years now.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2019, 01:50:17 AM »
Harley's QB Rankings 27 Ranked

#1: Kyler Murray (Oklahoma) 5'10" 207 - Better Russell Wilson. Surefire Stud.
#2: Easton Stick (North Dakota State) 6’1” 224 - IT Factor for me. Can run, throw from pocket, flashes touch, and arm strength. Not elite anywhere but good at all facets.
#3: Drew Lock (Missouri) 6’4” 223 - May be the best pure passing QB in this class. Had inconsistent games where he flashed R1 ability then other games he’d flash R3 ability. Which Lock will show up in NFL?
#4: Jordan Ta’amu (Ole Miss) 6’3” 228 – Baller. Swagger with a good arm for the NFL. Not as big a “name” as others but could be surprise of the class.
#5: Dwayne Haskins Jr. (Ohio State) 6'3" 231 - Flashes quick release with average arm strength for size. Boom/Bust potential as he's only a Redshirt Sophomore coming out. Some Cam Newton in passing game.
#6: Daniel Jones (Duke) 6’5” 221 - A stronger arm version of Easton Stick though I don't think he's as good an overall package. His size boosts him up boards though.
#7: Brett Rypien (Boise State) 6’2” 210 - Will be really good if he gets a shot. Flashes good poise in pocket.
#8: Ty Gangi (Nevada) – Riser. Has some Aaron Rodgers to him. Could be a better NFL Pro than College QB.
#9: David Blough (Purdue) 6’0” 205 – Some Jimmy Garoppolo to his game. One of the quickest releases in this class.
#10: Will Grier (West Virginia) 6’2” 218 - Overrated for me. Reminds me more of guys like Davis Webb or Graham Harrell than Pat Mahomes or Baker Mayfield.
#11: Eric Dungey (Syracuse) – Not flashy but solid. Alex Smith in his game but not as athletic.
#12: Jarrett Stidham (Auburn) 6’2” 218 - Some Case Keenum to his game. Lacks arm strength but has touch for vertical game, could be a Bruce Arians type QB.
#13: Trace McSorley (Penn State) 6’0” 202 - Ideal West Coast QB. Athletic. Sleeper in right system.
#14: Ryan Finley (NC State) 6’4” 213 - Has some Nick Foles to his game. Question poise under pressure.
#15: Kyle Shurmur (Vanderbilt) 6'4" 230 - Lacked talent around him but flashed NFL level ability against teams like Notre Dame and Georgia. Backup potential at best.
#16: Gardner Minshew II (Washington State) 6’1” 225 – Bit of a slow processor. Best attribute is his touch.
#17: Tyree Jackson (Buffalo) 6’7” 249 – A barely more athletic clone of J.T. Barrett. Disappointing arm strength for his size.
#18: Taylor Cornelius (Oklahoma State) 6’6” 220 – Live arm but I liked Mason Rudolph more.
#19: Clayton Thornson (Northwestern) 6'4" 222 - One read QB. Question his reading defenses/vision for NFL level.
#20: Nick Fitzgerald (Mississippi State) 6'5" 226 – Should convert to WR if he’s smart. Has some Josh Allen in him as a runner but not nearly the arm ability.
#21: Manny Wilkins Jr. (Arizona State) – Gamer but has a long release. A project to overhaul.
#22: Brent Stockstill (Middle Tennessee) – More athletic Jake Browning. Could get a shot in a WCO system.
#23: Hayden Moore (Cincinnati) - Decent arm but tough and accuracy are spotty at times. Athletic.
#24: Devlin Hodges (Samford) – Athletic but lacks arm for NFL. Similar to Brent Stockstill.
#25: Jake Browning (Washington) 6'2" 211 – Weak arm for the NFL. Should go undrafted unless a WCO head coach takes a chance.
#26: Malik Rosier (Miami) – Has an arm but is a slow processor. Underwhelmer.
#27: Wilton Speight (UCLA) – Weak arm for the NFL. Undrafted.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2019, 04:08:41 AM »
Gruden refused to rule out picking Murray by the way. They pick 4th.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2019, 04:23:23 AM »
Gruden refused to rule out picking Murray by the way. They pick 4th.

Good or bad in your mind?  I know you were high on Mayfield (who is similar to Murray IMO) so I was just curious.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2019, 04:51:06 AM »
Very good IMO. It’s time for the Raiders to move on at QB. Carr had two seasons to come back from his broken leg and played like shit.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2019, 09:17:35 AM »
Murray’s height is the only thing that worries me.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2019, 10:26:50 AM »
I'm more worried about his commitment.  I wouldn't want to draft him only to watch him go play baseball.  I'd need to get assurances.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2019, 10:30:13 AM »
I'm more worried about his commitment.  I wouldn't want to draft him only to watch him go play baseball.  I'd need to get assurances.
This.

I think he's got the potential to be another Wilson or Brees. Potential. Better than NFL Flutie.


But I share the same "will he play?" concern.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2019, 11:00:26 AM »
Harley, any QB worth taking at 11 for the Bengals besides Murray? Or should they wait and try to get back into the #28-32 range. (This is all a pipe dream, obviously as the Bengals love QB mediocrity).

I think if you believe in Murray he's worth taking. If he goes in the 1st round the guaranteed money is better than the 4.6 he signed with the A's. Without researching I would bet at least 70% of 1st round QB's get a second contract with the team.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2019, 11:19:12 AM »
I would guess that Murray will stick with the NFL if he gets drafted high enough, the guaranteed money is better and it's not even close.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2019, 11:24:06 AM »
And it's almost the perfect storm as the first three picks don't need a QB for sure but lots of teams between 7-12 do so the chances of him not going Top 10 are slim.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2019, 11:31:18 AM »
And it's almost the perfect storm as the first three picks don't need a QB for sure but lots of teams between 7-12 do so the chances of him not going Top 10 are slim.

In mock drafts I'm seeing as many as four QBs going in the top 15.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 11:34:33 AM »
And it's almost the perfect storm as the first three picks don't need a QB for sure but lots of teams between 7-12 do so the chances of him not going Top 10 are slim.

In mock drafts I'm seeing as many as four QBs going in the top 15.

Yep and I think Haskins-Murray will be #1-2 in some way in most scenarios.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2019, 10:41:50 PM »
Harley, any QB worth taking at 11 for the Bengals besides Murray? Or should they wait and try to get back into the #28-32 range. (This is all a pipe dream, obviously as the Bengals love QB mediocrity).

Murray's a wild card in terms of his commitment. I don't think height will matter much given the success of Brees, Mahomes, Wilson, even Case Keenum. The days of QBs needing to be at least 6'2" I think are finally done with.

Right now the top 4 QBs tend to be: Drew Lock, Kyler Murray, Dwayne Haskins, and Daniel Jones (Grier seems to be falling under the radar a bit now while Jones is a fast riser). I think this is a fairly weaker QB Class overall but needs will probably see as many as 4 go in the 1st Round and at least 2 get drafted.

If I were the Bengals, I'm kind of stuck in a shitty spot. They could get one of those 4 QBs at #11 and go elsewhere with picks #42 and #72. But then you also have Andy Dalton who you're still paying $16 and $17.5 Million for the next 2 seasons while having a 1st Round QB, almost a Top 10 pick, sitting on the bench.

Personally, I'd try and trade down a few spots with a team like Miami for say #13, #78, and #175 and go BPA then aim to move up in the 2nd Round if a '1st Round' QB falls or somebody like a Will Grier is still there on the board. Since you still have Andy Dalton, I don't think QB is as imperative until 2020/2021 and you could even wait until Rounds 5-7 for a guy like Brett Rypien, Jordan Ta'amu, or Trace McSorley to take a flier on to sit behind Dalton and Driskel for the 2019 Season.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2019, 04:14:49 AM »
I never like the strategy of trading down to a team that will draft a QB and then later on trading up for one of the remaining scraps at QB. The likelihood of that working is slim.

They have Dalton for 2 more years so unless their top rated can't pass on QB prospect is there, they should trade down and fill a ton of other spots on that team. Look at 2020 as the year to draft a QB.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2019, 05:24:12 AM »
This feud the Raiders are having with ESPN is a low point in the history of the organization. They should cut Derek Carr on the spot.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2019, 07:39:08 AM »
This feud the Raiders are having with ESPN is a low point in the history of the organization. They should cut Derek Carr on the spot.

Sorry, what exactly is going on?  This is the first I've heard of it.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2019, 07:43:43 AM »
Carr challenged Max Kellerman and Stephen A. Smith to a fist fight cause they told the truth about him being trash. So embarrassing.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2019, 07:50:12 AM »
Also you got Mayock, a former member of the media, saying the media makes shit up and tries to stir up stories.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2019, 09:39:53 AM »
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2019, 10:19:48 AM »
Also you got Mayock, a former member of the media, saying the media makes shit up and tries to stir up stories.

Yeah, to be quite honest, I think this is the most shameful thing the Raiders organization has done the entire time I've been a fan. An athlete in their prime challenging two old men to a fight is something I just have a hard time tolerating. Seeing other morons encourage them to do this makes me not want to be a fan anymore.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2019, 10:39:14 AM »
And isn't Carr supposed to be some kind of upright Christian or something?  Seems kind of strange that he would do this if he wants to keep that rep.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2019, 11:58:08 AM »
He’s a MAGA man so this is right in his wheelhouse to throw out empty physical threats

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2019, 04:47:27 PM »
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2019, 12:11:35 AM »
Harley's RB Rankings

Running Backs
#1: Bryce Love (Stanford) 5'9" 200 – Stud. Complete package.
#2: Trayveon Williams (Texas A&M) 5'8" 206 – Legitimate home run threat on every carry. Great vision, sets up DBs in 1-1 really well.
#3: Damien Harris (Alabama) 5'10" 216 – Gonna be a stud at the NFL level. Great balance and hard to tackle. Enough long speed for NFL level.
#4: L.J. Scott (Michigan State) 6'0" 227 – Good patience, gonna be really good.
#5: Dexter Williams (Notre Dame) 5’11” 215 – A lot of Arian Foster to him. Total package.
#6: Josh Jacobs (Alabama) 5'10" 220 – Has a lot of Ray Rice to his overall game. Very solid in all aspects. Offers 4 Down ability.
#7: Myles Gaskin (Washington) 5'9" 205 – A lot of James White to him. Sets up his blockers really well.
#8: Elijah Holyfield (Georgia) 5'10" 217 – Great vision and ability to get positive yards in the hole.
#9: Ty Johnson (Maryland) 5’10” 213 - Really good. 4 Down RB with return ability. Sleeper of class.
#10: Rodney Anderson (Oklahoma) 6'0" 224 – Hard nosed grinder with a nose for endzone.
#11: Lexington Thomas (UNLV) - Short but legit burner. Similarities to De'Anthony Thomas.
#12: Benny Snell Jr. (Kentucky) 5'10" 224 – Solid but may be more reliant on offensive line play for production at NFL level.
#13: Darrell Henderson Jr. (Memphis) 5'8" 208 – Lives on his long speed. ‘Fast’ Willie Parker type RB.
#14: Devin Singletary (FAU) 5'7" 203 – Has some Tarik Cohen shiftiness in his game.
#15: Justice Hill (Oklahoma State) 5'10" 198 – Solid all-around game. Could be a 3 Down RB.
#16: Alexander Mattison (Boise State) 5'11" 221 - Solid in all facets, real good vision.
#17: Darrin Hall (Pittsburgh) 6’0” 217 - Has some Kerryon Johnson to his game.
#18: Mike Weber Jr. (Ohio State) 5'10" 211 – Reminds me of Michael Bennett or Tatum Bell. Boom/Bust Prospect.
#19: Jalin Moore Jr. (App State) 5'10" 212 – Runs bigger than size, chip on shoulder especially at point of contact.
#20: Dom Bragalone (Lehigh) - Has some speed to him and runs through initial contact when being tackled. Chip on shoulder type.
#21: Bruce Anderson III (North Dakota State) 5’11” 209 - Shifty. Could be Matt Breida type.
#22: Travis Homer (Miami) 5'10" 201 - May only be 2 Down RB. Runs tough for his size but may top out as a RBBC back.
#23: Devine Ozigbo (Nebraska) 5’11” 219 - Could be good in a Zone scheme. Reminds me of Reuben Droughns.
#24: Darnell Holland (Kennesaw State) - Has good burst and speed. Could be a surprise in the right system.
#25: Karan Higdon (Michigan) 5’9” 206 – Solid vision but may lack consistent big play speed for NFL level.
#26: Ryan Fulse (Wagner) - Has speed for the NFL level. Some questions if he can bang enough.
#27: Madre London (Tennessee) - Could stick as a 3rd Down RB.
#28: Nick Brosette (LSU) 5’11” 217 - Solid in the 5 yard range vision wise. If he bulks up, may be a "goal line" RB.
#29: Miles Sanders (Penn State) 5'11" 211 - Shifty but limited to RBBC.
#30: David Montgomery (Iowa State) 5'10" 222 – Good college RB but may struggle in NFL. Lacks speed for 30+ long gains and hop skips in backfield.
#31: AcaCedric Ware (USC) - May be only a straightline runner, some stiffness when he tries to go lateral.
#32: Rodney Smith (Minnesota) – Decent RBBC type. May make living as receiving RB.
#33: D.J. Knox (Purdue) - Could stick as a receiving RB in a RBBC.
#34: Tony Brooks-James (Oregon) - Best chance to stick is as a return man.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2019, 08:16:13 AM »
I may be higher on Hurd than anybody else in the country. Dude has potential to be a All-Pro level stud though.

Wide Receiver Rankings 37 Ranked

Wide Receivers
#1: Marquise Brown (Oklahoma) 5'9" 166 – Legit TD threat on every catch. Tyreek Hill capability.
#2: A.J. Brown (Ole Miss) 6'0" 226 – Better route runner than Metcalf. Reminds me of Santonio Holmes.
#3: D.K. Metcalf (Ole Miss) 6'3" 228 – Physical freak in the Calvin Johnson mold.
#4: Jalen Hurd (Baylor) 6'5" 226 – Remade himself completely as a WR. Legitimate 1st Round talent massively under the radar due to his transferring schools.
#5: Deebo Samuel (South Carolina) 5'11" 216 – Fighter, hard nosed player. One of my favorites in this class even if he isn’t as talented as those ahead of him. Edelman-esque tenacity.
#6: Hakeem Butler (Iowa State) 6'5" 227 – Plays with chip on shoulder. Lot of similarities to Plaxico Burress for me.
#7: David Sills V (West Virginia) 6'3" 210 – One of the best route runners in this class. Cooper Kupp clone.
#8: Jaylen Smith (Louisville) 6'2" 221 – Reminds me of Deion Branch, great route runner and better speed after the catch. Very under the radar talent.
#9: J.J. Arcega-Whiteside (Stanford) 6'2" 225 – High points the ball well. Lot of Mike Evans in him.
#10: Parris Campbell Jr (Ohio State) 6'0" 226 – Bit of a body catcher but has some JuJu Smith-Schuster in his game.
#11: Kelvin Harmon (NC State) 6'2" 221 – Deep threat speed for NFL level.
#12: Damarkus Lodge (Ole Miss) 6'2" 202 – Would be the #1 WR at any other college but had two elite teammates to overshadow him. Legitimate speed and talent. Sleeper.
#13: Mecole Hardman Jr (Georgia) 5'10" 187 – More explosive athlete than teammate Ridley. Smart, good route runner. Sleeper.
#14: Dillon Mitchell (Oregon) 6'1" 197 – Burner. Potential to be a Marquise Goodwin type impact player.
#15: Darius Slayton (Auburn) 6'1" 190 – Really solid but not special anywhere. Better deep speed than expected.
#16: Xavier Ubosi (UAB) - Can get vertical. May be a one trick pony but has legitimate deep speed and size.
#17: Tony Pollard (Memphis) – Has the deep speed for the NFL. Played both RB and WR in college.
#18: N’Keal Harry (Arizona State) 6'2" 228 – Solid but I have questions about his speed at NFL level. Most overrated in class.
#19: Gary Jennings Jr (West Virginia) 6'1" 214 – Solid but not special anywhere. Could wind up being a #2 WR on a poor team or a #3 WR on a good team though. Think Marvin Jones Jr type talent.
#20: Stanley Morgan Jr (Nebraska) 6'0" 202 – Reminds me some of Brandin Cooks.
#21: Terry Wright (Purdue) - Flashes some vertical ability. Uses both hands well to catch away from body.
#22: Cody Thompson (Toledo) 6'1" 205 – ST Coverage Beast but also has some Chris Hogan to him as a receiver.
#23: Riley Ridley (Georgia) 6'1" 199 – Not as good but has a lot of Malcolm Mitchell in him.
#24: Tyron Johnson (Oklahoma State) 6'1" 193 - Legitimate burner but raw as a route runner.
#25: Lil’ Jordan Humphrey (Texas) 6'4" 210 – Reminds me of Kelvin Benjamin. QB Play could make or break him in NFL.
#26: Andy Isabella (Umass) 5'9" 188 – Another Cole Beasley type. Good college speed which may not translate to NFL.
#27: Penny Hart (Georgia State) 5'8" 180 – Short at 5’8” (if that) but has some Tarik Cohen to him as a receiver. Could get a shot as a RB/WR hybrid.
#28: Preston Williams (Colorado State) – Not quite the speed but reminds me a lot of Vincent Jackson.
#29: Juwann Winfree (Colorado) - Flashes some big play ability but doesn't stand out enough.
#30: Tyre Brady (Marshall) 6'3" 211 – May be better NFL Pro than College. Enough big play ability to stick around.
#31: Terry McLaurin (Ohio State) 6'0" 208 – Good talent but overshadowed by Campbell Jr. Lacks burner speed.
#32: Hunter Renfrow (Clemson) 5'10" 184 – Possession guy at the NFL. Isabella’s better and a similar type.
#33: Damion Willis (Troy) - Big body who can go vertical for jump balls.
#34: Anthony Johnson (Buffalo) 6'2" 209 – Solid but didn’t stand out in MAC competition as special.
#35: Kabion Ento (Colorado) - Possession guy but flashed willing effort after the catch.
#36: Emanuel Hall (Missouri) 6'2" 201 – Typical big body WR from that school. JAG type.
#37: Miles Boykin (Notre Dame) 6'4" 220 – Has body and frame to convert to TE. Better fit there with his speed as he's a bit of a lumberer for the WR position.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2019, 08:59:01 PM »
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2019, 10:45:56 AM »
Yeah the draft loses most of the luster when your team lacks picks.  >:(

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2019, 01:13:41 AM »
Continuing to do the hard work for ya :) Hope some guys flying under the radar get you to dig deeper in your own studies. A lot of times most draft pundits can name you the Top 5 or even Top 10 players, duh. I find the most enjoyment is digging into the 15s-25s depending on position and finding that "low value" touted player who may end up being a productive stud down the road or somebody who rises up my rankings that few have heard of and ends up doing well in general.

Harley's Tight End Rankings It wouldn't shock me if one of Nauta/Mack/Knox breaks out to be the best TE of this class.

01: T.J. Hockenson (Iowa) 6'5" 251
02: Irv Smith Jr (Alabama) 6'2" 242
03: Noah Fant (Iowa) 6'4" 249
04: Kaden Smith (Stanford) 6'5" 255
05: Isaac Nauta (Georgia) 6'3" 244
06: Alize Mack (Notre Dame) 6'4" 249
07: Dawson Knox (Ole Miss) 6'4" 254
08: Caleb Wilson (UCLA)
09: C.J. Conrad (Kentucky) 6'4" 249
10: Jace Sternberger (Texas A&M) 6'4" 251
11: Drew Sample (Washington) 6'5" 255
12: Tommy Sweeney (Boston College) 6'4" 251
13: Daniel Helm (Duke) 6'4" 249 - Has the speed to be a better NFL Pro than College TE Sleeper
14: Trevon Wesco (West Virginia)
15: Josh Oliver (San Jose State) 6'5" 249
16: Foster Moreau (LSU) 6'4" 253
17: Kahale Warring (San Diego State) 6'5" 252
18: Romello Brooker (Houston)
19: Kendall Blanton (Missouri) 6'6" 265
20: Donald Parham (Stetson) 6'8" 243
21: Dax Raymond (Utah State) 6'5" 255
22: Zach Gentry (Michigan)
23: Keenan Brown (Texas State) 6'2" 250
24: Micky Crum (Louisville)

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2019, 03:38:13 AM »
DT Jeffery Simmons tore his ACL in a pre-draft workout :( He was widely expected to go in the 1st or early 2nd Round. Odds are he now falls to the 6th or 7th Round if he even gets drafted.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2019, 04:00:38 AM »
Someone could be getting a big steal if he falls that late. Just let him rehab for the whole year. Reward far out weighs the risk. He was a 1st round talent for sure.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2019, 04:07:37 AM »
Someone could be getting a big steal if he falls that late. Just let him rehab for the whole year. Reward far out weighs the risk. He was a 1st round talent for sure.

Yeah, I wouldn't let a standard ACL tear scare me these days.  Most guys seem to come back from it.  Unless it is a Teddy Bridgewater knee exploding type situation.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2019, 05:52:52 AM »
Someone could be getting a big steal if he falls that late. Just let him rehab for the whole year. Reward far out weighs the risk. He was a 1st round talent for sure.

Only reasons I think he could fall that far: He was caught on video punching a woman who was attacking his sister prior to enrolling at Mississippi State and a team would basically have to wait maybe 2 years for him to develop (rehabbing from injury in Y1 and Y2 is really learning & applying the playbook in NFL game action assuming he'd regain his speed/acceleration, which in itself is no small feat).

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2019, 05:33:08 AM »
Defensive Ends
01: Nick Bosa (Ohio State)
02: Clelin Ferrell (Clemson) Toe Injury
03: Austin Bryant (Clemson) Pec Injury
04: Rashan Gary (Michigan)
05: Montez Sweat (Mississippi State)
06: Oshane Ximines (Old Dominion)
07: Isaiah Buggs (Alabama)
08: Jaylon Ferguson (Louisiana Tech)
09: Chase Winovich (Michigan)
10: Zach Allen (Boston College)
11: Anthony Nelson (Iowa)
12: Joe Jackson (Miami)
13: Charles Omenihu (Texas)
14: Maxx Crosby (Eastern Michigan)
15: L.J. Collier (TCU)
16: Jalen Jelks (Oregon)
17: Shareef Miller (Penn State)
18: Carl Granderson (Wyoming)
19: Jonathan Ledbetter (Georgia)
20: John Cominsky (Charleston)

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2019, 07:50:23 AM »
Compensatory Picks! Patriots and Rams got 2 3rd Rounders...



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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2019, 01:14:53 AM »
Harley's DT Rankings

Defensive Tackles
01: Quinnen Williams (Alabama)
02: Ed Oliver (Houston)
03: Jeffery Simmons (Mississippi State) Injured Workout
04: Dexter Lawrence (Clemson)
05: Jerry Tillery (Notre Dame)
06: Dontavius Russell (Auburn)
07: Christian Wilkins (Clemson) – Has moves to get into backfield but gets washed out in blocks too much for my liking. Coaching development will be big here.
08: Daylon Mack (Texas A&M) – Has burst despite his size. Strength may be an issue but if developed, could be good. Sleeper.
09: Dre’Mont Jones (Ohio State)
10: Gerald Willis III (Miami)
11: Khalen Saunders (Western Illinois)
12: Cortez Broughton (Cincinnati)
13: Kevin Givens (Penn State)
14: Kingsley Keke (Texas A&M)
15: Renell Wren (Arizona State)
16: Demarcus Christmas (Florida State)
17: Greg Gaines (Washington)
18: Trysten Hill (UCF)
19: Terry Beckner Jr (Missouri)
20: Daniel Wise (Kansas)
21: Albert Huggins (Clemson)

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2019, 04:54:37 AM »
Harley's OLB Rankings! Brailford's a name to watch. Stud projected to go 3rd-5th Round range.

Outside Linebackers 24 Ranked Note: I think Vosean Joseph (Florida) has a better shot as a SS.
01: Josh Allen (Kentucky)
02: Jachai Polite (Florida)
03: D'Andre Walker (Georgia)
04: Jordan Brailford (Oklahoma State)
05: Brian Burns (Florida State)
06: Germaine Pratt (NC State)
07: Drue Tranquill (Notre Dame)
08: Christian Miller (Alabama)
09: Ben Banogu (TCU)
10: Sutton Smith (Northern Illinois)
11: Sione Takitaki (BYU)
12: Chase Hansen (Utah)
13: Tre Crawford (UAB)
14: Blake Cashman (Minnesota)
15: Dre Greenlaw (Arkansas)
16: Terrill Hanks (New Mexico State)
17: Justin Hollins (Oregon)
18: Landis Durham (Texas A&M)
19: Markus Jones (Angelo State)
20: Chris Peace (Virginia)
21: Andrew Van Ginkel (Wisconsin)
22: Sterling Sheffield (Maine)
23: E.J. Ejiya (North Texas)
24: Dante Booker (Ohio State)

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2019, 02:34:18 AM »
Harley's ILB Rankings!

Inside Linebackers
01: Devin White (LSU)
02: Ryan Connelly (Wisconsin) The fastest guy going downhill in this group even if his 40 may not show it
03: Devin Bush (Michigan) May not be as athletic as some of the others but he’s the best pure tackler in this group
04: Mack Wilson (Alabama) Best cover MLB in this group by a mile. Natural ball instincts
05: David Long Jr (West Virginia) Little undersized but fast downhill. If he can add weight, watch out
06: Tre Lamar (Clemson)
07: Bobby Okereke (Stanford)
08: Tevon Coney (Notre Dame)
09: Joe Giles-Harris (Duke)
10: T.J. Edwards (Wisconsin)
11: Khalil Hodge (Buffalo)
12: Ben Burr-Kirven (Washington)
13: Jahlani Tavai (Hawai’i)
14: Kendall Joseph (Clemson)
15: Cole Holcomb (North Carolina)
16: Deshaun Davis (Auburn)
17: Cody Barton (Utah)
18: Emeke Egbule (Houston)

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2019, 06:38:40 AM »
A couple notables: Kyler Murray measured in at 5'10" while WR Marquise Brown measured in at 5'9" 166. It's interesting to note how many WRs are bulked up like RBs often measuring 6'0 - 6'1 and weighing in at 210-220 pounds.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2019, 12:35:12 AM »
HQ's CB Rankings

Cornerbacks
01: Greedy Williams (LSU)
02: Byron Murphy (Washington)
03: DeAndre Baker (Georgia)
04: Amani Oruwariye (Penn State)
05: Rock Ya-Sin (Temple)
06: Trayvon Mullen Jr. (Clemson)
07: Isaiah Johnson (Houston) – May have the best closing burst in this class
08: Darnell Savage Jr. (Maryland)
09: Lonnie Johnson Jr. (Kentucky)
10: Julian Love (Notre Dame)
11: Jamel Dean (Auburn)
12: Justin Layne (Michigan State)
13: Saivion Smith (Alabama)
14: Hamp Cheevers (Boston College)
15: Kendall Sheffield (Ohio State)
16: David Long (Michigan)
17: Iman Marshall (USC)
18: JoeJuan Williams (Vanderbilt)
19: Michael Jackson Sr. (Miami)
20: Kris Boyd (Texas)
21: Kendarius Webster (Ole Miss)
22: Derrick Baity Jr. (Kentucky)
23: Jamal Peters (Mississippi State)
24: Jimmy Moreland (James Madison)
25: Anthoula Kelly (Fresno State)
26: Nate Brooks (North Texas)
27: Clifton Duck (Appalachian State)
28: Blace Brown (Troy)
29: Xavier Crawford (Central Michigan)
30: D'Angelo Ross (New Mexico)
31: Montre Hartage (Northwestern)
32: Jordan Miller (Washington)
33: Sean Bunting (Central Michigan)
34: Malik Clements (Cincinnati)
35: Blessuan Austin (Rutgers)
36: Jordan Wyatt (SMU)

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2019, 04:29:00 AM »
ProFootballFocus Mock #4


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« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2019, 04:32:44 AM »
Always fascinated by these mock drafts. I'll also be updating lists periodically with guys who stand out at Pro Days that I may have overlooked. Added a few Colorado players (only one of real note is WR Juwann Winfree who I slotted at 27).

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2019, 05:28:26 AM »
I missed the Kiper 2.0 Mock that was originally published two weeks ago.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2019, 07:22:37 AM »
ProFootballFocus Mock #4



Video is down but one thing that does irk me is that PFF tends to focus too much on the PFF numbers/their own evaluations of players as opposed to fits and what teams would prefer scheme wise. Their 3rd Mock had Kyler Murray mocked to the Giants, which seemed very odd in the best case scenario. Also a bit too much emphasis on the "value" of a position over the team fit/need itself EDIT: And one dude admitted he doesn't like mocking for need... wtf. I get it may not be your personal preference but 80% of NFL teams, especially in the 1st Round, are drafting off need primarily and value second.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2019, 07:48:42 AM »
Yeah they took it down off youtube for some reason. It'll probably be back later on.

EDIT: I added the new url.