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2019 NFL Draft
« on: January 13, 2019, 02:40:00 AM »
We're a few weeks away from the end of the NFL Season with the Super Bowl on the horizon and that means NFL Draft talk! Lot of big names including: QB Will Grier (West Virginia), QB Kyler Murray (Oklahoma), QB Dwayne Haskins (Ohio State), RB Bryce Love (Stanford), WR A.J. Brown (Ole Miss), WR Marquise Brown (Oklahoma), TE Noah Fant (Iowa), DE Nick Bosa (Ohio State), DE Josh Allen (Kentucky), DT Quinnen Williams (Alabama), and DT Ed Oliver (Houston).

I probably won't go as in-depth as I usually do for player rankings but this could be an interesting QB Class down the road depending on who pans out. Guys like Daniel Jones (Duke), Brett Rypien (Boise State), and Easton Stick (North Dakota State) have obvious talent but are trending behind Murray (if he enters), Haskins, Drew Lock, and Grier as far as notable names. Outside of Murray and maybe Haskins or Lock pending preference, there's no real "sure fire" QB compared to past years with QBs like Pat Mahomes and Baker Mayfield.

Let me know who you're really high on. I know 909's been pimping Marquise Brown out of Oklahoma for at least 2 years now.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2019, 01:50:17 AM »
Harley's QB Rankings 27 Ranked

#1: Kyler Murray (Oklahoma) 5'10" 207 - Better Russell Wilson. Surefire Stud. 1x01 Arizona Cardinals
#2: Easton Stick (North Dakota State) 6’1” 224 - IT Factor for me. Can run, throw from pocket, flashes touch, and arm strength. Not elite anywhere but good at all facets. 5x28 Los Angeles Chargers
#3: Drew Lock (Missouri) 6’4” 223 - May be the best pure passing QB in this class. Had inconsistent games where he flashed R1 ability then other games he’d flash R3 ability. Which Lock will show up in NFL? 2x10 Denver Broncos
#4: Jordan Ta’amu (Ole Miss) 6’3” 228 – Baller. Swagger with a good arm for the NFL. Not as big a “name” as others but could be surprise of the class.
#5: Dwayne Haskins Jr. (Ohio State) 6'3" 231 - Flashes quick release with average arm strength for size. Boom/Bust potential as he's only a Redshirt Sophomore coming out. Some Cam Newton in passing game. 1x15 Washington Redskins
#6: Daniel Jones (Duke) 6’5” 221 - A stronger arm version of Easton Stick though I don't think he's as good an overall package. His size boosts him up boards though. 1x06 New York Giants
#7: Brett Rypien (Boise State) 6’2” 210 - Will be really good if he gets a shot. Flashes good poise in pocket. Undrafted - Signed by Denver Broncos
#8: Ty Gangi (Nevada) – Riser. Has some Aaron Rodgers to him. Could be a better NFL Pro than College QB.
#9: David Blough (Purdue) 6’0” 205 – Some Jimmy Garoppolo to his game. One of the quickest releases in this class. Undrafted - Signed by Cleveland Browns
#10: Will Grier (West Virginia) 6’2” 218 - Overrated for me. Reminds me more of guys like Davis Webb or Graham Harrell than Pat Mahomes or Baker Mayfield. 3x37 Carolina Panthers
#11: Eric Dungey (Syracuse) – Not flashy but solid. Alex Smith in his game but not as athletic.
#12: Jarrett Stidham (Auburn) 6’2” 218 - Some Case Keenum to his game. Lacks arm strength but has touch for vertical game, could be a Bruce Arians type QB. 4x31 New England Patriots
#13: Trace McSorley (Penn State) 6’0” 202 - Ideal West Coast QB. Athletic. Sleeper in right system. 6x25 Baltimore Ravens
#14: Ryan Finley (NC State) 6’4” 213 - Has some Nick Foles to his game. Question poise under pressure. 4x02 Cincinnati Bengals
#15: Kyle Shurmur (Vanderbilt) 6'4" 230 - Lacked talent around him but flashed NFL level ability against teams like Notre Dame and Georgia. Backup potential at best. Undrafted - Signed by Kansas City Chiefs
#16: Gardner Minshew II (Washington State) 6’1” 225 – Bit of a slow processor. Best attribute is his touch. 6x05 Jacksonville Jaguars
#17: Tyree Jackson (Buffalo) 6’7” 249 – A barely more athletic clone of J.T. Barrett. Disappointing arm strength for his size. Undrafted - Signed by Buffalo Bills
#18: Taylor Cornelius (Oklahoma State) 6’6” 220 – Live arm but I liked Mason Rudolph more. Undrafted - Signed by Green Bay Packers
#19: Clayton Thornson (Northwestern) 6'4" 222 - One read QB. Question his reading defenses/vision for NFL level. 5x29 Philadelphia Eagles
#20: Nick Fitzgerald (Mississippi State) 6'5" 226 – Should convert to WR if he’s smart. Has some Josh Allen in him as a runner but not nearly the arm ability. Undrafted - Signed by Tampa Bay Buccaneers
#21: Manny Wilkins Jr. (Arizona State) – Gamer but has a long release. A project to overhaul. Undrafted - Signed by Green Bay Packers
#22: Brent Stockstill (Middle Tennessee) – More athletic Jake Browning. Could get a shot in a WCO system.
#23: Hayden Moore (Cincinnati) - Decent arm but tough and accuracy are spotty at times. Athletic.
#24: Devlin Hodges (Samford) – Athletic but lacks arm for NFL. Similar to Brent Stockstill.
#25: Jake Browning (Washington) 6'2" 211 – Weak arm for the NFL. Should go undrafted unless a WCO head coach takes a chance. Undrafted - Signed by Minnesota Vikings
#26: Malik Rosier (Miami) – Has an arm but is a slow processor. Underwhelmer.
#27: Wilton Speight (UCLA) – Weak arm for the NFL. Undrafted. Undrafted - Signed by San Francisco 49ers

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2019, 04:08:41 AM »
Gruden refused to rule out picking Murray by the way. They pick 4th.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2019, 04:23:23 AM »
Gruden refused to rule out picking Murray by the way. They pick 4th.

Good or bad in your mind?  I know you were high on Mayfield (who is similar to Murray IMO) so I was just curious.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2019, 04:51:06 AM »
Very good IMO. It’s time for the Raiders to move on at QB. Carr had two seasons to come back from his broken leg and played like shit.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2019, 09:17:35 AM »
Murray’s height is the only thing that worries me.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2019, 10:26:50 AM »
I'm more worried about his commitment.  I wouldn't want to draft him only to watch him go play baseball.  I'd need to get assurances.

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2019, 10:30:13 AM »
I'm more worried about his commitment.  I wouldn't want to draft him only to watch him go play baseball.  I'd need to get assurances.
This.

I think he's got the potential to be another Wilson or Brees. Potential. Better than NFL Flutie.


But I share the same "will he play?" concern.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2019, 11:00:26 AM »
Harley, any QB worth taking at 11 for the Bengals besides Murray? Or should they wait and try to get back into the #28-32 range. (This is all a pipe dream, obviously as the Bengals love QB mediocrity).

I think if you believe in Murray he's worth taking. If he goes in the 1st round the guaranteed money is better than the 4.6 he signed with the A's. Without researching I would bet at least 70% of 1st round QB's get a second contract with the team.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2019, 11:19:12 AM »
I would guess that Murray will stick with the NFL if he gets drafted high enough, the guaranteed money is better and it's not even close.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2019, 11:24:06 AM »
And it's almost the perfect storm as the first three picks don't need a QB for sure but lots of teams between 7-12 do so the chances of him not going Top 10 are slim.


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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2019, 11:31:18 AM »
And it's almost the perfect storm as the first three picks don't need a QB for sure but lots of teams between 7-12 do so the chances of him not going Top 10 are slim.

In mock drafts I'm seeing as many as four QBs going in the top 15.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 11:34:33 AM »
And it's almost the perfect storm as the first three picks don't need a QB for sure but lots of teams between 7-12 do so the chances of him not going Top 10 are slim.

In mock drafts I'm seeing as many as four QBs going in the top 15.

Yep and I think Haskins-Murray will be #1-2 in some way in most scenarios.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2019, 10:41:50 PM »
Harley, any QB worth taking at 11 for the Bengals besides Murray? Or should they wait and try to get back into the #28-32 range. (This is all a pipe dream, obviously as the Bengals love QB mediocrity).

Murray's a wild card in terms of his commitment. I don't think height will matter much given the success of Brees, Mahomes, Wilson, even Case Keenum. The days of QBs needing to be at least 6'2" I think are finally done with.

Right now the top 4 QBs tend to be: Drew Lock, Kyler Murray, Dwayne Haskins, and Daniel Jones (Grier seems to be falling under the radar a bit now while Jones is a fast riser). I think this is a fairly weaker QB Class overall but needs will probably see as many as 4 go in the 1st Round and at least 2 get drafted.

If I were the Bengals, I'm kind of stuck in a shitty spot. They could get one of those 4 QBs at #11 and go elsewhere with picks #42 and #72. But then you also have Andy Dalton who you're still paying $16 and $17.5 Million for the next 2 seasons while having a 1st Round QB, almost a Top 10 pick, sitting on the bench.

Personally, I'd try and trade down a few spots with a team like Miami for say #13, #78, and #175 and go BPA then aim to move up in the 2nd Round if a '1st Round' QB falls or somebody like a Will Grier is still there on the board. Since you still have Andy Dalton, I don't think QB is as imperative until 2020/2021 and you could even wait until Rounds 5-7 for a guy like Brett Rypien, Jordan Ta'amu, or Trace McSorley to take a flier on to sit behind Dalton and Driskel for the 2019 Season.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2019, 04:14:49 AM »
I never like the strategy of trading down to a team that will draft a QB and then later on trading up for one of the remaining scraps at QB. The likelihood of that working is slim.

They have Dalton for 2 more years so unless their top rated can't pass on QB prospect is there, they should trade down and fill a ton of other spots on that team. Look at 2020 as the year to draft a QB.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2019, 05:24:12 AM »
This feud the Raiders are having with ESPN is a low point in the history of the organization. They should cut Derek Carr on the spot.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2019, 07:39:08 AM »
This feud the Raiders are having with ESPN is a low point in the history of the organization. They should cut Derek Carr on the spot.

Sorry, what exactly is going on?  This is the first I've heard of it.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2019, 07:43:43 AM »
Carr challenged Max Kellerman and Stephen A. Smith to a fist fight cause they told the truth about him being trash. So embarrassing.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2019, 07:50:12 AM »
Also you got Mayock, a former member of the media, saying the media makes shit up and tries to stir up stories.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2019, 09:39:53 AM »
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2019, 10:19:48 AM »
Also you got Mayock, a former member of the media, saying the media makes shit up and tries to stir up stories.

Yeah, to be quite honest, I think this is the most shameful thing the Raiders organization has done the entire time I've been a fan. An athlete in their prime challenging two old men to a fight is something I just have a hard time tolerating. Seeing other morons encourage them to do this makes me not want to be a fan anymore.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2019, 10:39:14 AM »
And isn't Carr supposed to be some kind of upright Christian or something?  Seems kind of strange that he would do this if he wants to keep that rep.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2019, 11:58:08 AM »
He’s a MAGA man so this is right in his wheelhouse to throw out empty physical threats

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2019, 04:47:27 PM »
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2019, 12:11:35 AM »
Harley's RB Rankings

Running Backs
#1: Bryce Love (Stanford) 5'9" 200 – Stud. Complete package. 4x10 Washington Redskins
#2: Trayveon Williams (Texas A&M) 5'8" 206 – Legitimate home run threat on every carry. Great vision, sets up DBs in 1-1 really well. 6x09 Cincinnati Bengals
#3: Damien Harris (Alabama) 5'10" 216 – Gonna be a stud at the NFL level. Great balance and hard to tackle. Enough long speed for NFL level. 3x24 New England Patriots
#4: L.J. Scott (Michigan State) 6'0" 227 – Good patience, gonna be really good. Undrafted - Signed by Baltimore Ravens
#5: Dexter Williams (Notre Dame) 5’11” 215 – A lot of Arian Foster to him. Total package. 6x22 Green Bay Packers
#6: Josh Jacobs (Alabama) 5'10" 220 – Has a lot of Ray Rice to his overall game. Very solid in all aspects. Offers 4 Down ability. 1x24 Oakland Raiders
#7: Myles Gaskin (Washington) 5'9" 205 – A lot of James White to him. Sets up his blockers really well. 7x20 Miami Dolphins
#8: Elijah Holyfield (Georgia) 5'10" 217 – Great vision and ability to get positive yards in the hole. Undrafted - Signed by Carolina Panthers
#9: Ty Johnson (Maryland) 5’10” 213 - Really good. 4 Down RB with return ability. Sleeper of class. 6x13 Detroit Lions
#10: Rodney Anderson (Oklahoma) 6'0" 224 – Hard nosed grinder with a nose for endzone. 6x39 Cincinnati Bengals
#11: Lexington Thomas (UNLV) - Short but legit burner. Similarities to De'Anthony Thomas. Undrafted - Tryout with Indianapolis Colts
#12: Benny Snell Jr. (Kentucky) 5'10" 224 – Solid but may be more reliant on offensive line play for production at NFL level. 4x20 Pittsburgh Steelers
#13: Darrell Henderson Jr. (Memphis) 5'8" 208 – Lives on his long speed. ‘Fast’ Willie Parker type RB. 3x06 Los Angeles Rams
#14: Devin Singletary (FAU) 5'7" 203 – Has some Tarik Cohen shiftiness in his game. 3x11 Buffalo Bills
#15: Justice Hill (Oklahoma State) 5'10" 198 – Solid all-around game. Could be a 3 Down RB. 4x11 Baltimore Ravens
#16: Alexander Mattison (Boise State) 5'11" 221 - Solid in all facets, real good vision. 3x39 Minnesota Vikings
#17: Darrin Hall (Pittsburgh) 6’0” 217 - Has some Kerryon Johnson to his game. Undrafted - Signed by Cleveland Browns
#18: Mike Weber Jr. (Ohio State) 5'10" 211 – Reminds me of Michael Bennett or Tatum Bell. Boom/Bust Prospect. 7x04 Dallas Cowboys
#19: Jalin Moore Jr. (App State) 5'10" 212 – Runs bigger than size, chip on shoulder especially at point of contact. Undrafted - Signed by New York Jets
#20: Dom Bragalone (Lehigh) - Has some speed to him and runs through initial contact when being tackled. Chip on shoulder type.
#21: Bruce Anderson III (North Dakota State) 5’11” 209 - Shifty. Could be Matt Breida type. Undrafted - Signed by Tampa Bay Buccaneers
#22: Travis Homer (Miami) 5'10" 201 - May only be 2 Down RB. Runs tough for his size but may top out as a RBBC back. 6x32 Seattle Seahawks
#23: Devine Ozigbo (Nebraska) 5’11” 219 - Could be good in a Zone scheme. Reminds me of Reuben Droughns. Undrafted - Signed by New Orleans Saints
#24: Darnell Holland (Kennesaw State) - Has good burst and speed. Could be a surprise in the right system. Undrafted - Signed by New Orleans Saints
#25: Karan Higdon (Michigan) 5’9” 206 – Solid vision but may lack consistent big play speed for NFL level. Undrafted - Signed by Houston Texans
#26: Ryan Fulse (Wagner) - Has speed for the NFL level. Some questions if he can bang enough.
#27: Madre London (Tennessee) - Could stick as a 3rd Down RB.
#28: Nick Brosette (LSU) 5’11” 217 - Solid in the 5 yard range vision wise. If he bulks up, may be a "goal line" RB. Undrafted - Signed by New England Patriots
#29: Miles Sanders (Penn State) 5'11" 211 - Shifty but limited to RBBC. 2x21 Philadelphia Eagles
#30: David Montgomery (Iowa State) 5'10" 222 – Good college RB but may struggle in NFL. Lacks speed for 30+ long gains and hop skips in backfield. 3x10 Chicago Bears
#31: AcaCedric Ware (USC) - May be only a straightline runner, some stiffness when he tries to go lateral. Undrafted - Tryout with Washington Redskins
#32: Rodney Smith (Minnesota) – Decent RBBC type. May make living as receiving RB.
#33: D.J. Knox (Purdue) - Could stick as a receiving RB in a RBBC.
#34: Tony Brooks-James (Oregon) - Best chance to stick is as a return man.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2019, 08:16:13 AM »
I may be higher on Hurd than anybody else in the country. Dude has potential to be a All-Pro level stud though.

Wide Receiver Rankings 38 Ranked

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#1: Marquise Brown (Oklahoma) 5'9" 166 – Legit TD threat on every catch. Tyreek Hill capability. 1x25 Baltimore Ravens
#2: A.J. Brown (Ole Miss) 6'0" 226 – Better route runner than Metcalf. Reminds me of Santonio Holmes. 2x19 Tennessee Titans
#3: D.K. Metcalf (Ole Miss) 6'3" 228 – Physical freak in the Calvin Johnson mold. 2x32 Seattle Seahawks
#4: Jalen Hurd (Baylor) 6'5" 226 – Remade himself completely as a WR. Legitimate 1st Round talent massively under the radar due to his transferring schools. 3x03 San Francisco 49ers
#5: Deebo Samuel (South Carolina) 5'11" 216 – Fighter, hard nosed player. One of my favorites in this class even if he isn’t as talented as those ahead of him. Edelman-esque tenacity. 2x04 San Francisco 49ers
#6: Hakeem Butler (Iowa State) 6'5" 227 – Plays with chip on shoulder. Lot of similarities to Plaxico Burress for me. 4x01 Arizona Cardinals
#7: David Sills V (West Virginia) 6'3" 210 – One of the best route runners in this class. Cooper Kupp clone. Undrafted - Signed by Buffalo Bills
#8: Jaylen Smith (Louisville) 6'2" 221 – Reminds me of Deion Branch, great route runner and better speed after the catch. Very under the radar talent. Undrafted - Signed by Baltimore Ravens
#9: J.J. Arcega-Whiteside (Stanford) 6'2" 225 – High points the ball well. Lot of Mike Evans in him. 2x25 Philadelphia Eagles
#10: Parris Campbell Jr (Ohio State) 6'0" 226 – Bit of a body catcher but has some JuJu Smith-Schuster in his game. 2x27 Indianapolis Colts
#11: Kelvin Harmon (NC State) 6'2" 221 – Deep threat speed for NFL level. 6x34 Washington Redskins
#12: Damarkus Lodge (Ole Miss) 6'2" 202 – Would be the #1 WR at any other college but had two elite teammates to overshadow him. Legitimate speed and talent. Sleeper. Undrafted - Signed by Tampa Bay Buccaneers
#13: Mecole Hardman Jr (Georgia) 5'10" 187 – More explosive athlete than teammate Ridley. Smart, good route runner. Sleeper. 2x24 Kansas City Chiefs
#14: Dillon Mitchell (Oregon) 6'1" 197 – Burner. Potential to be a Marquise Goodwin type impact player. 7x25 Minnesota Vikings
#15: Darius Slayton (Auburn) 6'1" 190 – Really solid but not special anywhere. Better deep speed than expected. 5x33 New York Giants
#16: Xavier Ubosi (UAB) - Can get vertical. May be a one trick pony but has legitimate deep speed and size. Undrafted - Signed by New England Patriots
#17: Tony Pollard (Memphis) – Has the deep speed for the NFL. Played both RB and WR in college. 4x26 Dallas Cowboys
#18: N’Keal Harry (Arizona State) 6'2" 228 – Solid but I have questions about his speed at NFL level. Most overrated in class. 1x32 New England Patriots
#19: Gary Jennings Jr (West Virginia) 6'1" 214 – Solid but not special anywhere. Could wind up being a #2 WR on a poor team or a #3 WR on a good team though. Think Marvin Jones Jr type talent. 4x18 Seattle Seahawks
#20: Stanley Morgan Jr (Nebraska) 6'0" 202 – Reminds me some of Brandin Cooks. Undrafted - Signed with Cincinnati Bengals
#21: Terry Wright (Purdue) - Flashes some vertical ability. Uses both hands well to catch away from body. Undrafted - Signed by Seattle Seahawks
#22: Cody Thompson (Toledo) 6'1" 205 – ST Coverage Beast but also has some Chris Hogan to him as a receiver. Undrafted - Signed by Kansas City Chiefs
#23: Riley Ridley (Georgia) 6'1" 199 – Not as good but has a lot of Malcolm Mitchell in him. 4x24 Chicago Bears
#24: Tyron Johnson (Oklahoma State) 6'1" 193 - Legitimate burner but raw as a route runner. Undrafted - Signed by Houston Texans
#25: Lil’ Jordan Humphrey (Texas) 6'4" 210 – Reminds me of Kelvin Benjamin. QB Play could make or break him in NFL. Undrafted - Signed by New Orleans Saints
#26: Andy Isabella (Umass) 5'9" 188 – Another Cole Beasley type. Good college speed which may not translate to NFL. 2x30 Arizona Cardinals
#27: Penny Hart (Georgia State) 5'8" 180 – Short at 5’8” (if that) but has some Tarik Cohen to him as a receiver. Could get a shot as a RB/WR hybrid. Undrafted - Signed with Indianapolis Colts
#28: Preston Williams (Colorado State) – Not quite the speed but reminds me a lot of Vincent Jackson. Undrafted - Signed by Miami Dolphins
#29: Juwann Winfree (Colorado) - Flashes some big play ability but doesn't stand out enough. 6x15 Denver Broncos
#30: Tyre Brady (Marshall) 6'3" 211 – May be better NFL Pro than College. Enough big play ability to stick around. Undrafted - Signed by Jacksonville Jaguars
#31: Terry McLaurin (Ohio State) 6'0" 208 – Good talent but overshadowed by Campbell Jr. Lacks burner speed. 3x13 Washington Redskins
#32: Hunter Renfrow (Clemson) 5'10" 184 – Possession guy at the NFL. Isabella’s better and a similar type. 5x11 Oakland Raiders
#33: Damion Willis (Troy) - Big body who can go vertical for jump balls.
#34: Anthony Johnson (Buffalo) 6'2" 209 – Solid but didn’t stand out in MAC competition as special. Undrafted - Signed by Tampa Bay Buccaneers
#35: John Ursua (Hawaii) - Slot WR at the NFL level. May lack the deep speed to burn NFL DBs but could stick as a savvy possession guy. 7x22 Seattle Seahawks
#36: Kabion Ento (Colorado) - Possession guy but flashed willing effort after the catch. Undrafted - Signed by Green Bay Packers
#37: Emanuel Hall (Missouri) 6'2" 201 – Typical big body WR from that school. JAG type. Undrafted - Signed by Cleveland Browns
#38: Miles Boykin (Notre Dame) 6'4" 220 – Has body and frame to convert to TE. Better fit there with his speed as he's a bit of a lumberer for the WR position. 3x30 Baltimore Ravens

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2019, 08:59:01 PM »
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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2019, 10:45:56 AM »
Yeah the draft loses most of the luster when your team lacks picks.  >:(

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2019, 01:13:41 AM »
Continuing to do the hard work for ya :) Hope some guys flying under the radar get you to dig deeper in your own studies. A lot of times most draft pundits can name you the Top 5 or even Top 10 players, duh. I find the most enjoyment is digging into the 15s-25s depending on position and finding that "low value" touted player who may end up being a productive stud down the road or somebody who rises up my rankings that few have heard of and ends up doing well in general.

Harley's Tight End Rankings It wouldn't shock me if one of Nauta/Mack/Knox breaks out to be the best TE of this class.

01: T.J. Hockenson (Iowa) 6'5" 251 1x08 Detroit Lions
02: Irv Smith Jr (Alabama) 6'2" 242 2x18 Minnesota Vikings
03: Noah Fant (Iowa) 6'4" 249 1x20 Denver Broncos
04: Kaden Smith (Stanford) 6'5" 255 6x03 San Francisco 49ers
05: Isaac Nauta (Georgia) 6'3" 244 7x10 Detroit Lions
06: Alize Mack (Notre Dame) 6'4" 249 7x17 New Orleans Saints
07: Dawson Knox (Ole Miss) 6'4" 254 3x33 Buffalo Bills
08: Caleb Wilson (UCLA) 7x40 Arizona Cardinals
09: C.J. Conrad (Kentucky) 6'4" 249 Undrafted - Signed by New York Giants
10: Jace Sternberger (Texas A&M) 6'4" 251 3x12 Green Bay Packers
11: Drew Sample (Washington) 6'5" 255 2x20 Cincinnati Bengals
12: Tommy Sweeney (Boston College) 6'4" 251 7x14 Buffalo Bills
13: Daniel Helm (Duke) 6'4" 249 - Has the speed to be a better NFL Pro than College TE Sleeper Undrafted - Signed by Los Angeles Chargers
14: Trevon Wesco (West Virginia) 4x19 New York Jets
15: Josh Oliver (San Jose State) 6'5" 249 3x05 Jacksonville Jaguars
16: Foster Moreau (LSU) 6'4" 253 4x35 Oakland Raiders
17: Kahale Warring (San Diego State) 6'5" 252 3x23 Houston Texans
18: Romello Brooker (Houston) Undrafted - Signed by Los Angeles Rams
19: Kendall Blanton (Missouri) 6'6" 265 Undrafted - Signed by Los Angeles Rams
20: Donald Parham (Stetson) 6'8" 243 Undrafted - Signed by Detroit Lions
21: Dax Raymond (Utah State) 6'5" 255 Undrafted - Signed by Chicago Bears
22: Zach Gentry (Michigan) 5x03 Pittsburgh Steelers
23: Keenan Brown (Texas State) 6'2" 250 Undrafted - Signed by Los Angeles Rams
24: Micky Crum (Louisville)

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2019, 03:38:13 AM »
DT Jeffery Simmons tore his ACL in a pre-draft workout :( He was widely expected to go in the 1st or early 2nd Round. Odds are he now falls to the 6th or 7th Round if he even gets drafted.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2019, 04:00:38 AM »
Someone could be getting a big steal if he falls that late. Just let him rehab for the whole year. Reward far out weighs the risk. He was a 1st round talent for sure.

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2019, 04:07:37 AM »
Someone could be getting a big steal if he falls that late. Just let him rehab for the whole year. Reward far out weighs the risk. He was a 1st round talent for sure.

Yeah, I wouldn't let a standard ACL tear scare me these days.  Most guys seem to come back from it.  Unless it is a Teddy Bridgewater knee exploding type situation.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2019, 05:52:52 AM »
Someone could be getting a big steal if he falls that late. Just let him rehab for the whole year. Reward far out weighs the risk. He was a 1st round talent for sure.

Only reasons I think he could fall that far: He was caught on video punching a woman who was attacking his sister prior to enrolling at Mississippi State and a team would basically have to wait maybe 2 years for him to develop (rehabbing from injury in Y1 and Y2 is really learning & applying the playbook in NFL game action assuming he'd regain his speed/acceleration, which in itself is no small feat).

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2019, 05:33:08 AM »
Defensive Ends
01: Nick Bosa (Ohio State) 1x02 San Francisco 49ers
02: Clelin Ferrell (Clemson) Toe Injury 1x04 Oakland Raiders
03: Austin Bryant (Clemson) Pec Injury 4x15 Detroit Lions
04: Rashan Gary (Michigan) 1x12 Green Bay Packers
05: Montez Sweat (Mississippi State) 1x26 Washington Redskins
06: Oshane Ximines (Old Dominion) 3x32 New York Giants
07: Isaiah Buggs (Alabama) 6x20 Pittsburgh Steelers
08: Jaylon Ferguson (Louisiana Tech) 3x22 Baltimore Ravens
09: Chase Winovich (Michigan) 3x14 New England Patriots
10: Zach Allen (Boston College) 3x01 Arizona Cardinals
11: Anthony Nelson (Iowa) 4x05 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
12: Joe Jackson (Miami) 5x27 Dallas Cowboys
13: Charles Omenihu (Texas) 5x23 Houston Texans
14: Maxx Crosby (Eastern Michigan) 4x04 Oakland Raiders
15: L.J. Collier (TCU) 1x29 Seattle Seahawks
16: Jalen Jelks (Oregon) 7x27 Dallas Cowboys
17: Shareef Miller (Penn State) 4x36 Philadelphia Eagles
18: Carl Granderson (Wyoming) Undrafted - Signed by New Orleans Saints
19: Jonathan Ledbetter (Georgia) Undrafted - Signed by Miami Dolphins
20: John Cominsky (Charleston) 4x33 Atlanta Falcons

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2019, 07:50:23 AM »
Compensatory Picks! Patriots and Rams got 2 3rd Rounders...



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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2019, 01:14:53 AM »
Harley's DT Rankings

Defensive Tackles
01: Quinnen Williams (Alabama) 1x03 New York Jets
02: Ed Oliver (Houston) 1x09 Buffalo Bills
03: Jeffery Simmons (Mississippi State) Injured Workout - Torn ACL 1x19 Tennessee Titans
04: Dexter Lawrence (Clemson) 1x17 New York Giants
05: Jerry Tillery (Notre Dame) 1x28 Los Angeles Chargers
06: Dontavius Russell (Auburn) 7x21 Jacksonville Jaguars
07: Christian Wilkins (Clemson) – Has moves to get into backfield but gets washed out in blocks too much for my liking. Coaching development will be big here. 1x13 Miami Dolphins
08: Daylon Mack (Texas A&M) – Has burst despite his size. Strength may be an issue but if developed, could be good. Sleeper. 5x22 Baltimore Ravens
09: Dre’Mont Jones (Ohio State) 3x08 Denver Broncos
10: Gerald Willis III (Miami) Undrafted - Signed by Baltimore Ravens
11: Khalen Saunders (Western Illinois) 3x21 Kansas City Chiefs
12: Cortez Broughton (Cincinnati) 7x28 Los Angeles Chargers
13: Kevin Givens (Penn State) Undrafted - Signed by San Francisco 49ers
14: Kingsley Keke (Texas A&M) 5x12 Green Bay Packers
15: Renell Wren (Arizona State) 4x23 Cincinnati Bengals
16: Demarcus Christmas (Florida State) 6x37 Seattle Seahawks
17: Greg Gaines (Washington) 4x32 Los Angeles Rams
18: Trysten Hill (UCF) 2x26 Dallas Cowboys
19: Terry Beckner Jr (Missouri) 7x01 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
20: Daniel Wise (Kansas) Undrafted - Signed by Dallas Cowboys
21: Albert Huggins Jr. (Clemson) Undrafted - Signed by Houston Texans

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2019, 04:54:37 AM »
Harley's OLB Rankings! Brailford's a name to watch. Stud projected to go 3rd-5th Round range.

Outside Linebackers 24 Ranked Note: I think Vosean Joseph (Florida) has a better shot as a SS.
01: Josh Allen (Kentucky) 1x07 Jacksonville Jaguars
02: Jachai Polite (Florida) 3x04 New York Jets
03: D'Andre Walker (Georgia) 5x30 Tennessee Titans
04: Jordan Brailford (Oklahoma State) 7x39 Washington Redskins
05: Brian Burns (Florida State) 1x16 Carolina Panthers
06: Germaine Pratt (NC State) 3x09 Cincinnati Bengals
07: Drue Tranquill (Notre Dame) 4x28 Los Angeles Chargers
08: Christian Miller (Alabama) 4x13 Carolina Panthers
09: Ben Banogu (TCU) 2x17 Indianapolis Colts
10: Sutton Smith (Northern Illinois) 6x02 Pittsburgh Steelers
11: Sione Takitaki (BYU) 3x17 Cleveland Browns
12: Chase Hansen (Utah) Undrafted - Signed by New Orleans Saints
13: Tre Crawford (UAB) Undrafted - Signed by Atlanta Falcons
14: Blake Cashman (Minnesota) 5x19 New York Jets
15: Dre Greenlaw (Arkansas) 5x10 San Francisco 49ers
16: Terrill Hanks (New Mexico State) Undrafted - Signed by Miami Dolphins
17: Justin Hollins (Oregon) 5x18 Denver Broncos
18: Landis Durham (Texas A&M) Undrafted - Signed by Los Angeles Rams
19: Markus Jones (Angelo State) Undrafted - Signed by Baltimore Ravens
20: Chris Peace (Virginia) Undrafted - Signed by Los Angeles Chargers
21: Andrew Van Ginkel (Wisconsin) 5x13 Miami Dolphins
22: Sterling Sheffield (Maine) Undrafted - Signed by Cincinnati Bengals
23: E.J. Ejiya (North Texas) Undrafted - Signed by Baltimore Ravens
24: Dante Booker Jr. (Ohio State) Undrafted - Signed by Arizona Cardinals

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2019, 02:34:18 AM »
Harley's ILB Rankings!

Inside Linebackers
01: Devin White (LSU) 1x05 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
02: Ryan Connelly (Wisconsin) The fastest guy going downhill in this group even if his 40 may not show it 5x05 New York Giants
03: Devin Bush (Michigan) May not be as athletic as some of the others but he’s the best pure tackler in this group. 1x10 Pittsburgh Steelers
04: Mack Wilson (Alabama) Best cover MLB in this group by a mile. Natural ball instincts. 5x17 Cleveland Browns
05: David Long Jr (West Virginia) Little undersized but fast downhill. If he can add weight, watch out. 6x16 Tennessee Titans
06: Tre Lamar (Clemson) Undrafted - Signed by Detroit Lions
07: Bobby Okereke (Stanford) 3x26 Indianapolis Colts
08: Tevon Coney (Notre Dame)
09: Joe Giles-Harris (Duke) Undrafted - Signed by Jacksonville Jaguars
10: T.J. Edwards (Wisconsin) Undrafted - Signed by Philadelphia Eagles
11: Khalil Hodge (Buffalo)
12: Ben Burr-Kirven (Washington) 5x04 Seattle Seahawks
13: Jahlani Tavai (Hawai’i) 2x11 Detroit Lions
14: Kendall Joseph (Clemson) Undrafted - Signed by Kansas City Chiefs
15: Cole Holcomb (North Carolina) 5x35 Washington Redskins
16: Deshaun Davis (Auburn) 6x38 Cincinnati Bengals
17: Cody Barton (Utah) 3x25 Seattle Seahawks
18: Emeke Egbule (Houston) 6x28 Los Angeles Chargers

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2019, 06:38:40 AM »
A couple notables: Kyler Murray measured in at 5'10" while WR Marquise Brown measured in at 5'9" 166. It's interesting to note how many WRs are bulked up like RBs often measuring 6'0 - 6'1 and weighing in at 210-220 pounds.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2019, 12:35:12 AM »
HQ's CB Rankings

Cornerbacks
01: Greedy Williams (LSU) 2x14 Cleveland Browns
02: Byron Murphy (Washington) 2x01 Arizona Cardinals
03: DeAndre Baker (Georgia) 1x30 New York Giants
04: Amani Oruwariye (Penn State) 5x08 Detroit Lions
05: Rock Ya-Sin (Temple) 2x02 Indianapolis Colts
06: Trayvon Mullen Jr. (Clemson) 2x08 Oakland Raiders
07: Isaiah Johnson (Houston) – May have the best closing burst in this class 4x27 Oakland Raiders
08: Darnell Savage Jr. (Maryland) 1x21 Green Bay Packers
09: Lonnie Johnson Jr. (Kentucky) 2x22 Houston Texans
10: Julian Love (Notre Dame) 4x06 New York Giants
11: Jamel Dean (Auburn) 3x31 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
12: Justin Layne (Michigan State) 3x20 Pittsburgh Steelers
13: Saivion Smith (Alabama) Undrafted - Signed by Jacksonville Jaguars
14: Hamp Cheevers (Boston College)
15: Kendall Sheffield (Ohio State) 4x09 Atlanta Falcons
16: David Long (Michigan) 3x16 Los Angeles Rams
17: Iman Marshall (USC) 4x25 Baltimore Ravens
18: JoeJuan Williams (Vanderbilt) 2x13 New England Patriots
19: Michael Jackson Sr. (Miami) 5x20 Dallas Cowboys
20: Kris Boyd (Texas) 7x03 Minnesota Vikings
21: Kendarius Webster (Ole Miss) 7x38 New England Patriots
22: Derrick Baity Jr. (Kentucky)
23: Jamal Peters (Mississippi State) Undrafted - Signed by Indianapolis Colts
24: Jimmy Moreland (James Madison) 7x13 Washington Redskins
25: Anthoula Kelly (Fresno State)
26: Nate Brooks (North Texas) Undrafted - Signed by Green Bay Packers
27: Clifton Duck (Appalachian State) Undrafted - Signed by Chicago Bears
28: Blace Brown (Troy)
29: Xavier Crawford (Central Michigan) 6x23 Houston Texans
30: D'Angelo Ross (New Mexico)
31: Montre Hartage (Northwestern) Undrafted - Signed by Miami Dolphins
32: Jordan Miller (Washington) 5x34 Atlanta Falcons
33: Sean Bunting (Central Michigan) 2x07 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
34: Malik Clements (Cincinnati)
35: Blessuan Austin (Rutgers) 6x24 New York Jets
36: Jordan Wyatt (SMU) Undrafted - Signed by New Orleans Saints

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2019, 04:29:00 AM »
ProFootballFocus Mock #4


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2019, 04:32:44 AM »
Always fascinated by these mock drafts. I'll also be updating lists periodically with guys who stand out at Pro Days that I may have overlooked. Added a few Colorado players (only one of real note is WR Juwann Winfree who I slotted at 27).

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2019, 05:28:26 AM »
I missed the Kiper 2.0 Mock that was originally published two weeks ago.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2019, 07:22:37 AM »
ProFootballFocus Mock #4



Video is down but one thing that does irk me is that PFF tends to focus too much on the PFF numbers/their own evaluations of players as opposed to fits and what teams would prefer scheme wise. Their 3rd Mock had Kyler Murray mocked to the Giants, which seemed very odd in the best case scenario. Also a bit too much emphasis on the "value" of a position over the team fit/need itself EDIT: And one dude admitted he doesn't like mocking for need... wtf. I get it may not be your personal preference but 80% of NFL teams, especially in the 1st Round, are drafting off need primarily and value second.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2019, 07:48:42 AM »
Yeah they took it down off youtube for some reason. It'll probably be back later on.

EDIT: I added the new url.

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2019, 02:30:12 AM »
Here's my 1st Mock Draft with the NFL Draft about a week away.

1. Arizona Cardinals - QB Kyler Murray
2. San Francisco 49ers - DE Nick Bosa
3. New York Jets HQ's Traded to New York Giants - QB Daniel Jones
4. Oakland Raiders - DT Quinnen Williams
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DE/LB Josh Allen
6. New York Giants (12) HQ's Traded to New York Jets - CB Greedy Williams
7. Jacksonville Jaguars - QB Drew Lock
8. Detroit Lions HQ's Traded to Green Bay Packers - LB Devin White
9. Buffalo Bills - CB Byron Murphy
10. Denver Broncos - QB Dwayne Haskins
11. Cincinnati Bengals - LB Devin Bush
12. Green Bay Packers HQ's Traded to Detroit Lions - DT Ed Oliver
13. Miami Dolphins - OT Jonah Williams
14. Atlanta Falcons - TE T.J. Hockenson
15. Washington Redskins - OT Andre Dillard
16. Carolina Panthers - OG Cody Ford
17. New York Giants - WR D.K. Metcalf
18. Minnesota Vikings - OT Jawaan Taylor
19. Tennessee Titans - DT Dexter Lawrence
20. Pittsburgh Steelers - WR A.J. Brown
21. Seattle Seahawks HQ's Traded to Indianapolis Colts - S Johnathan Abram
22. Baltimore Ravens - DT Jerry Tillery
23. Houston Texans - WR Parris Campbell
24. Oakland Raiders - RB Josh Jacobs
25. Philadelphia Eagles - CB Deandre Baker
26. Indianapolis Colts HQ's Traded to Seattle Seahawks - WR Marquise Brown
27. Oakland Raiders - TE Noah Fant
28. Los Angeles Chargers - C/G Garrett Bradbury
29. Kansas City Chiefs - DE/LB Brian Burns
30. Green Bay Packers - WR Deebo Samuel
31. Los Angeles Rams - CB Rock-Ya Sin
32. New England Patriots HQ's Traded to Oakland Raiders - CB Lonnie Johnson

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2019, 01:38:01 PM »
Man, if Ed Oliver is available at #11 and the Bengals don't take him I'm going to be PISSED.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2019, 01:59:39 PM »
Seems like the Jets love Ed Oliver

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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2019, 02:18:22 PM »
Yeah I think he goes in the Top 7 for sure.


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Re: 2019 NFL Draft
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2019, 05:49:14 AM »
Random Late Draft Rumors

New York Jets are massively trying to trade down from the 3rd Pick. They don't have a 2nd or 5th Round pick and it sounds like they aren't too enamored with any defensive player outside of Nick Bosa.

Oakland Raiders sent their scouts home in part because they have a "surprise" pick possibly planned for the #4 overall. They also don't have a 3rd or 6th Round pick so they could potentially swap down from the 27th Pick if they think they can get some value in the 2nd Round while getting a 3rd Rounder too.

A lot of teams like DT Christian Wilkins, enough that he's pretty much a lock to go in the Top 20 picks. Also DE Jaylon Ferguson has a chance to fall to the 3rd or 4th Round with multiple teams concerned about character/makeup issues surrounding him.