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All Elite Wrestling V2
« on: August 08, 2019, 03:37:06 AM »
So they are redoing the Casino Royale to be a #1 contender for the women and announced Jazz, Ivelisse and Roddy Piper’s daughter.  Had no idea Hot Rod’s daughter was a worker.  Between the other two and Long they are bringing in a lot of female talent with roller coaster reputations.
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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2019, 04:34:14 AM »
I like how they could shape a women’s division in an ideal world. Just sucks Tessa (or really any of the division) is stuck in Impact.

That said I demand Scarlet Bordeaux be signed immediately and rocketed to the top.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2019, 07:54:29 AM »
Original Thread: http://culturecrossfire.com/forums/index.php?topic=13773.0 AEW very popular as we're on V2 now. Once TV starts it should join the weekly thread probably?

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2019, 08:18:15 AM »
I'm pretty excited to see the Lowell show, even with the knowledge that I don't care for half of the roster.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2019, 09:02:39 AM »
Thank you for making me the thread starter on this second one.  Now that I have started the first two AEW threads, it lessens my chances of being sent to a hole with the rest of you.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2019, 12:09:13 PM »
Are any of you guys concerned with the weekly shows are going to be 2 hours? I guess it doesn't really matter because maybe they are not too worried about the old PPV model, but I am guessing TNT will want the 5-8 biggest stars on the show each week and I wonder how that will affect the two or three PPV's after the weekly show starts.




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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2019, 12:33:14 PM »
Are any of you guys concerned with the weekly shows are going to be 2 hours? I guess it doesn't really matter because maybe they are not too worried about the old PPV model, but I am guessing TNT will want the 5-8 biggest stars on the show each week and I wonder how that will affect the two or three PPV's after the weekly show starts.

I've been concerned since it was announced. I don't think their roster is deep enough to support a two hour show 52 weeks a year and the Elite won't be able to help themselves to fill time with horrible comedy segments.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2019, 01:15:09 PM »
Are any of you guys concerned with the weekly shows are going to be 2 hours? I guess it doesn't really matter because maybe they are not too worried about the old PPV model, but I am guessing TNT will want the 5-8 biggest stars on the show each week and I wonder how that will affect the two or three PPV's after the weekly show starts.

I think Kenny can carry Cody through a two hour match every week.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 02:26:57 PM »
They’ll run out of matches by the first month and a half if that’s how it works. You’ve only got so many stips for Lucha Brothers vs Elite.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2019, 02:43:20 PM »
Just simulcast Observer Radio in the second hour.

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2019, 03:15:36 PM »
I've thought all along the tv show will be a huge test, and will decide the outcome for the promotion.  Even if All Out is the greatest show ever, it really means nothing until they show they can produce compelling weekly tv.  And no one knows one way or the other if they can.  TV is so different than producing a ppv type of show like All Out or the others they've done that it's impossible to say what will happen.

I do think there a few warning signs (production errors, shoddy announcing, corny storylines on the pre-shows).   All those things show me a lack of organization and a lack of awareness.  But, again, until they start running those weekly tv shows it's impossible to say.
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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2019, 03:50:16 PM »
Their desire to only cater to the fans they have already is suicide. Cody doesn’t care for the casual fans and when you have a two hour weekly but expect to be carried by just fanboys, you might as well call the show Umbilical Cord Strangulation.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2019, 12:37:09 AM »
Reality will strike in that first month of TV when we are getting matches like Marco Stunt vs Sonny Kiss regularly every week.

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2019, 01:07:21 AM »
If they follow the "Road to..." format then I don't think there's going to be much of a problem.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2019, 03:32:54 AM »
There will likely be concessions made over time but if TNA/ Impact has scraped along as long as it has, this thing will have some legs.  It may not end up being the dream product people hope for but it will be around and be somewhat of an alternative, even if the network meddles.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2019, 08:19:30 AM »
They’re also assuming TNT will just let them do whatever they want. That’s going to be an interesting saga in itself.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2019, 11:18:13 AM »
Their desire to only cater to the fans they have already is suicide. Cody doesn’t care for the casual fans and when you have a two hour weekly but expect to be carried by just fanboys, you might as well call the show Umbilical Cord Strangulation.

He never said they weren't going to go after the casual fans. He said that they're doing the show for the people that like them. That no matter what they do, or how good the show can be, there will always be one person in the crowd that shits on it, and they aren't going to cater to those people. There's nothing wrong with that idea. Why try to impress people that aren't going to come around anyway?

While they might not have a ton of people under contract, they are going to be bringing in wrestlers from AAA, OWE, and Stardom. They'll be fine. They're going to start with their tag title tournament, and that can fill up a lot of time.
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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2019, 11:29:45 AM »
Because wrestling is one of the most niche genres out there and if you want to stay on tv you need ratings which means appealing to more than just your core audience. I have no idea what their base audience will actually be but if the first rating for the TNT show is above 250,000 i'll be very impressed. Last year it looks like the only thing on 10/3 that did more than that for TNT was a soccer game that topped 270k.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2019, 11:36:27 AM »
They never said they didn't want to grow the fan base. They just aren't going to go after, or care about, the fans that have no interest in trying the product. There's a difference between the 2 things.
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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2019, 12:37:41 PM »
I'm curious to see what the content rating for the show is.  I really think TV14 is the way to go.  I know people always say that it doesn't matter.  That it only matters if you have good writing.  But, I really think a more violent product with a harder edge is what separates them from WWE, and I feel there is an appetite for that.

If the show is TVPG I think that's a very bad sign right off the bat.
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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2019, 01:23:20 PM »
They never said they didn't want to grow the fan base. They just aren't going to go after, or care about, the fans that have no interest in trying the product. There's a difference between the 2 things.

...but how can you grow a fanbase when you’re deliberately trying to appeal to people who already like it? The assumption there is either alienated WWE fans or casual fans who find the product interesting enough to devote time to. If you “aren’t going after fans that have no interest in the product,” what are you relying on to gain fans other than the choir being preached to or blind faith everyone has an interest in the product but just hasn’t seen it yet?

They, by that process, don’t want to grow and just figure the audience they have will be there no matter what. They assume a core group will be enough backbone for two hours a week. They can bring in all the talent they have access to and only the “interested” audience would care, because they think those fans are already and always will be there. But I might be selling short the people into librarians and homoerotic cult stables.

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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2019, 03:39:42 PM »
I really think they're screwed if NXT is put against them. The WWE will promote the hell out of it.
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2019, 03:54:45 PM »
If WWE fucks with NXT to the point that it loses what makes it different than main roster WWE, then AEW won't be hurt as much.  I'm really concerned about WWE using NXT as it's main weapon against AEW and killing off its appeal in the process because the wrong people got their hands on it.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2019, 09:28:15 PM »
If NXT gets Vince's fingerprints on it, AEW will outlive it on network television.

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2019, 11:16:30 PM »
It's already been rumored that NXT is moving to 2 hours and will have main roster talent on it.

Also, I don know how true it is that they're moving. Someone will have to pay big money since FS1 has 6 years left on their Big East Basketball contract to air games on Wednesday.
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2019, 11:47:22 PM »
Yeah Vince moving NXT to FS1 to spite AEW would be a really poor move in my opinion. Like people said FS1 execs are not going to be beholden to move live events just for pro wrestling, especially with a different name than "WWE".


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Re: All Elite Wrestling V2
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2019, 01:12:52 AM »
Because wrestling is one of the most niche genres out there and if you want to stay on tv you need ratings which means appealing to more than just your core audience. I have no idea what their base audience will actually be but if the first rating for the TNT show is above 250,000 i'll be very impressed. Last year it looks like the only thing on 10/3 that did more than that for TNT was a soccer game that topped 270k.
I'm far more optimistic about their chances, and I think carving their own path instead of catering to the industry leader is exactly what needs to be done. The audience today for WWE is that much smaller than it used to be when it didn't try to be a four quadrant and vanilla show. If AEW comes out and sticks to their guns, which have already been proven as a different caliber than WWE's? It will build a fanbase simply because it's different.

I also think their base is larger than you're giving them credit for. I see Bullet Club merch more than I see anything WWE when I go out, and on people that don't look like the typical indie fan. Pro wrestling is less stigmatized than it used to be especially with it being accepted as part of nerd culture, and somebody who listens to Post Malone is likely going to be more interested in luchador action than another Superman Punch.

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2019, 04:32:02 AM »
It’s less stigmatized and less popular than ever

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2019, 05:11:33 AM »
Yeah, weird how that works.

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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2019, 12:11:37 AM »
Weird how crafting a brand's identity as being against the grain matters, eh?

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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2019, 01:08:24 AM »
Weird how carnies still know how to make people to buy into them, isn’t it?

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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2019, 02:03:31 AM »
Weird how your av goes with every single post you make, eh?

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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2019, 03:11:29 AM »
Life's got its small pleasures.

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2019, 04:26:38 AM »


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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2019, 04:28:19 AM »
That will work for about a month until they need to evolve it.
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« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2019, 06:06:19 AM »
Ugh.

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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2019, 12:28:50 PM »
If that's his plan then what he's doing now is the worst possible thing he could do.   WWE will just freeze his contract forever.
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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2019, 12:30:09 PM »
His contract was up at the end of June and everyone ignored it. The part that gets me is that some of these sites are making people pay for news while hiding information like that so that a company can have a surprise.


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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2019, 12:53:52 PM »
If he really is a free agent, especially if Lana is as well, then AEW would need to be unforeseen levels of inept to not get them. Rusev unhinged from the WWE style could be legendary.

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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2019, 01:16:57 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2019, 12:47:28 PM »
No clue what this is about.  Someone speculated it's AEW about to announce MSG.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2019, 02:57:08 PM »
Man, I don’t know about MSG at this stage. The biggest concern I’ve had with regards to things is running before they walk, and given how NJPW and ROH did for a joint show, I seriously don’t know. I can almost guarantee that the cost alone makes it at most a break even show.

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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2019, 04:22:45 PM »
I don't know why they would book MSG when they've been booking smaller venues in large cities. Also, the WWE kept avoiding running television at the Garden cause they were losing money.
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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2019, 04:45:25 PM »
After their last show, they seriously should book amphitheaters or theatre seating. Fuck arenas. Make their look truly unique and invent new ways of pricing.

The more I think though, the more the possibility of MSG is a money pit. If they book it it just has to be for next spring when they ideally have much better footing. A sink or swim, fuck you WM weekend show at msg would be good stuff.

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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2019, 11:00:28 PM »
I'd say if they are booking MSG, it would be for their first PPV (after TV starts). They're one of the main reasons the ROH/NJPW show sold out.
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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2019, 12:15:15 AM »
How do you figure? NJPW being super hot, not to mention the Liger farewell tour, can easily say they did. Easily.

Regardless, it took a couple promotions to kick in for the show. If AEW is so arrogant to to assume they can book it that close in advance (the ppv would theoretically be in December or January, I would think), they are taking a huge unnecessary risk if the product doesn’t meet the unrealistic hype.

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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2019, 12:34:29 AM »
Yes, NJPW was a draw for the show, no question (personally, it was my reason for going). But to say that The Elite weren't a big drawing factor, especially when secondary tickets spiked a bit after it was announced they wouldn't be there, is ignorant. No one knew when tickets went on sale that Liger was going to be retiring, so no, that can't easily say it was part of the reason they sold out. Easily

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