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2020 NFL Draft
« on: November 01, 2019, 01:20:26 AM »
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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 01:24:35 AM »
Notes: These are just rankings in order, not that I necessarily think Player B has a steep dropoff after Player A

2020 NFL Draft QB Rankings 27 Ranked
QB Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): Plays within the system. Very accurate at all 3 levels of the playing field, especially on deep balls.
QB Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): Lot of Russell Wilson in his game. Learned multiple offenses and flourished.
QB Joe Burrow (LSU): Smart, takes what the defense gives him and doesn’t overthink it. Josh Allen in him as a runner when faced with pressure in the pocket.
QB Anthony Gordon (Washington State): Reminds me a lot of Jimmy Garoppolo. May have the best touch/accuracy on deep throws in this class. Makes multiple reads, progresses through options. Mike Leach’s best NFL QB prospect ever.
QB Jake Fromm (Georgia): Flashes touch and accuracy at all 3 levels. Didn’t need to do much at Georgia but capable of multiple reads when in pocket. The type of QB who is a 2nd or 3rd Round pick, flourishes in the NFL, and people wonder how they ‘missed’ on him e.g. labeling him as just a game manager.
QB Justin Herbert (Oregon): Can make any throw on the field. Made a lot of great throws in tight windows, sometimes as a result of throwing late to his receivers. Some questions if he can adapt to the speed of the NFL if this is already a factor at the college level.
QB Jacob Eason (Washington): Biggest arm since Matthew Stafford. Like Stafford, can trust his arm too much and look for the home run over the easier pass that extends the drive.
QB Steven Montez (Colorado): Rocket for an arm. Board Climber. Flashes some ability to move in pocket. One of the faster releases in this class.
QB Jordan Love (Utah State): Type of QB who head coaches salivate over, oozes potential but may already be who he is as a QB. Similar skill set to Montez whom I prefer.
QB Shane Buechele (SMU): Clone of Case Keenum. Flashes good touch and accuracy when throwing deep but average arm otherwise.
QB Shea Patterson (Michigan): Fits the profile of a developmental 6th or 7th Round QB project. Flashes touch and accuracy but lacks arm strength. Played in “Pro System” under Jim Harbaugh, which will give him credibility.
QB Sam Ehlinger (Texas): Competitor. May only have an average arm for the NFL level but could be successful in a system that asks him to go horizontal more than stretch the field.
QB Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): Flashes touch and accuracy but more Brian Hoyer than Kirk Cousins.
QB Kellen Mond (Texas A&M): Good arm. Better ability as a runner than as a pocket QB. Strikes me as a later round pick like a 6th or 7th Round who can develop on the bench.
QB James Morgan (FIU): Prototype NFL size and above average arm strength. Some Nick Foles to him.
QB Cole McDonald (Hawai'i): Flashes drive and touch when throwing deep. Home run hitter. Really fast as a runner. Some questions due to benching in 2019.
QB Stephen Calvert (Liberty): Wonky release. Flashes some ability to throw at the NFL level but may be a 7th Round/Priority Free Agent.
QB Jamie Newman (Wake Forest)
QB Khalil Tate (Arizona): Tailor made to convert to WR. Could be a weapon at the position.
QB Kaleb Barker (Troy): Good as a runner. Probable convert to WR at the NFL level with potential to stick in the right system. Sleeper position change.
QB Kelly Bryant (Missouri): Raw as a pocket QB for the NFL. Good athletic ability in tight space. Kind of a tweener but athleticism could get him converted to WR.
QB Nate Stanley (Iowa): Good college QB who may stick for a year or two at the NFL level. Flashes touch but possesses an average arm for the NFL level.
QB Ian Book (Notre Dame): Can flash some zip on throws but may be better served switching to WR. Runs tough and has enough speed to make the conversion.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 02:13:39 AM »
Looks like this will be a fun QB class, I think. From 1 to 7, I could see any of them going as the first QB, just because of potential or what have you.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2019, 08:08:02 AM »
Fromm has been a borderline game manager this year. Georgia likes to run the ball, but I'm seeing him more as a longterm backup. I'd put Burrow for sure and probably Ehlinger above him. Gordon probably ends up being the 5th QB off the board.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2019, 08:18:38 AM »
This is an intersting class though. A lot of NFL teams need a QB. Teams like the Saints and Chargers are in the market for an heir to their QB position. Depending on injuries and combine results, their should be 8 to 9 taken in the first 3 rounds. Five to six in round one alone.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2019, 11:08:33 PM »
This is an intersting class though. A lot of NFL teams need a QB. Teams like the Saints and Chargers are in the market for an heir to their QB position. Depending on injuries and combine results, their should be 8 to 9 taken in the first 3 rounds. Five to six in round one alone.

Yeah, it also depends on which juniors declare. Teams which need QBs: Miami, Tennessee (Mariota is a FA in 2020), Tampa Bay (Winston is a FA in 2020), Chicago (Trubisky is signed through 2020 with a 5th Year option for 2021), Pittsburgh (Big Ben's signed through 2021, Mason Rudolph was a 3rd Round pick), and LA Chargers (RIVAS is a FA in 2020, Easton Stick was a 5th Round pick). That's a pretty solid 6 teams right there.

Some teams like Cincinnati (Ryan Finley was a 4th Round pick) and New Orleans (Drew Brees is signed through 2020 but Bridgewater is signed through 2021) may select a QB but I don't know if they'll go for a 1st or 2nd Round one unless a high ranked talent drop into their laps.

Other teams like Washington and Denver invested high picks in Haskins and Drew Lock respectively while Jacksonville has seemingly found their franchise QB in Gardner Minshew. Most of the other teams in the NFL are pretty set with their starting QBs.

A couple dark horse teams? Seattle. Russell Wilson will be 31 next year and is signed through 2024. Pete could be looking to start grooming a backup to take over there. Also Detroit has Stafford who'll be 32 next year and is signed through 2022. Detroit could save $23 Million in 2022 by trading him after June 1st with no dead cap money.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2019, 01:03:04 AM »
Updated my QB Rankings. Burrow's climbed for me and I still like Anthony Gordon more than Justin Herbert. Stephen Calvert's a real sleeper to keep an eye on. If his mechanics can be refined a bit, he could be a surprise at the NFL level.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2019, 04:54:39 AM »
Brother I know people like to assume Bengals are dumb and believe me they have shown much evidence to support this but they aren’t so enamored with a god damn 4th round selection, whom they waited half a season into a winless effort to throw out that they’d not take any of these highly touted selections that will be available to them with their overall number one pick.   

This isn’t 1999 anymore, teams have no problem moving off a guy this quick.  Look no further than the Arizona Cardinals with what they did with Rosen/Murray.   Washington will/should happily cut bait with Haskins if it means landing a top talent

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2019, 07:30:49 AM »
Brother I know people like to assume Bengals are dumb and believe me they have shown much evidence to support this but they aren’t so enamored with a god damn 4th round selection, whom they waited half a season into a winless effort to throw out that they’d not take any of these highly touted selections that will be available to them with their overall number one pick.   

This isn’t 1999 anymore, teams have no problem moving off a guy this quick.  Look no further than the Arizona Cardinals with what they did with Rosen/Murray.   Washington will/should happily cut bait with Haskins if it means landing a top talent

You're right that they'd probably take Tua or Herbert with their 1st Round pick. With that said, I could've also seen them getting to say 3-13 (wins over the Jets, Dolphins, and say an upset of the Browns in Week 17) and being in a spot where they'd get stupid and take somebody like a Chase Young due to being say the 4th or 5th pick.

Teams like Washington, at best, are gonna be finishing the year off at like 2-14. Miami, Jets, Atlanta, and the Giants could all vary wildly from going 2-14 to winning maybe 4 or even 5 games.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2019, 03:26:03 AM »
RB Rankings
Jonathan Taylor (Wisconsin) – Stud.
Ke’Shawn Vaughn (Vanderbilt) – The best vision amongst RBs in this class. Sleeper.
D’Andre Swift (Georgia) – Looks like a man among boys in college. Adrian Peterson vibes.
Xavier Jones (SMU) – Fantastic balance with long speed. Etienne may get more hype but Jones has a better overall package IMO.
Travis Etienne Jr. (Clemson) – May have the fastest burst through the hole in this class. CJ Spiller vibes, in that he has questionable vision but ‘wins’ through pure speed.
J.K. Dobbins (Ohio State)
Clyde Edwards-Helaire (LSU) – Has the traits but short height hinders him. I don’t think physicality can translate to NFL.
Darrynton Evans (App State) – Sleeper. Shifty ala Tarik Cohen.
Javon Leake (Maryland) - Better than Ty Johnson, whom I really liked last year.
Tra Barnett (Georgia State) – Has good vision. Won’t be a game changer but an ideal #2 or #3 RB.
Jonathan Ward (Central Michigan) – Runs bigger than his size. Good committee back.
Rakeem Boyd (Arkansas) – Weapon in receiving game. Good initial burst but lacks breakaway speed.
Joshua Kelley (UCLA)
A.J. Dillon (Boston College)
Najee Harris (Alabama)
Eno Benjamin (Arizona State) - Reminds me of Danny Woodhead. Will get some carries but more of a receiving RB than inside the tackles at the NFL level.
Cam Akers (Florida State) – Not a fan. More "name" than skill. Has just average burst through the hole.
LeVante Bellamy (Western Michigan)
Zack Moss (Utah) – Seeks contact but some questions about long speed at NFL level.
Rodney Smith (Minnesota)
Kylin Hill (Mississippi State) - Good fit for a Zone blocking scheme but looks like a #3 RB otherwise.
DeeJay Dallas (Miami) - Good vision and speed but doesn't seem to like contact.
Tony Jones Jr. (Notre Dame)
Benny LeMay (Charlotte)
Tre Harbison (Northern Illinois)

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2019, 12:15:08 AM »
Jordan Love has declared for the NFL Draft with some calling him a 1st Round pick with Patrick Mahomes vibes (mostly due to his arm strength and ability to throw from different angles). I'm not nearly as high on him in part because he stares down receivers and gives me Jameis Winston vibes.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2020, 12:21:18 AM »
Wide Receivers
Jerry Jeudy (Alabama) – Randy Moss-like size/speed combo. Swagger. Stud.
CeeDee Lamb (Oklahoma) – Stud. Strikes me as a taller Dante Hall type. Playmaker.
Lavisha Shenault Jr. (Colorado) - May have the best hands in this class. Can get behind coverage, deceptively fast. Gonna be good.
Antonio Gandy-Golden (Liberty) – A clone of Larry Fitzgerald. Total fighter after the catch. A dawg.
Van Jefferson (Florida) – Reminds me of Anquan Boldin or DeAndre Hopkins. Very good. Not as fast but big, physical, and NFL ready.
Brandon Aiyuk (Arizona State) – Burner. Good route runner and very physical for his size.
KJ Hamler (Penn State) - May be the fastest WR in this class. Plays much tougher than his size. Good in all facets. Will be 3rd WR by most people, I just prefer the others above him.
Henry Ruggs III (Alabama) - Speed demon. Good ability after the catch but his hands are spotty at times and he's prone to body catching. A little overrated by some in my book.
Tyler Johnson (Minnesota) – Great route runner. Reminds me of Antonio Brown on the field, especially after the catch. Big play threat.
Devin Duvernay (Texas) – One of my favorites. Constant separation from DBs. Smooth.
John Hightower (Boise State) – Pure weapon with the ball in his hands. Mecole Hardiman in the NFL vibes.
Tee Higgins (Clemson) – Big body with speed. Not as good as DeAndre Hopkins but he’s legit.
Justin Jefferson (LSU) – Good. Reminds me more of Jarvis Landry than Odell Beckham.
Lynn Bowden Jr. (Kentucky) - Really good, jack of all trades type as a RB/WR/Returner. Best fit at the NFL level is probably as an inside slot WR but he can be a weapon with the right OC.
Lucky Jackson (Western Kentucky) – Sleeper. Great concentration, good hands. Limited to a possession guy at the NFL level but could carve out a decent career in the right system. Think Wayne Chrebet.
James Proche (SMU) – Good speed in intermediate area. Has some Emmanuel Sanders in his game.
Donovan Peoples-Jones (Michigan) - Similar profile to Pittman Jr. Straight line speed who offers 4 down ability. May lack wiggle but good chance to be productive in the NFL. Flashes hands and adjusts to the ball well.
Michael Pittman Jr. (USC) – Good straight-line speed. Good hands. High points ball. Bad route runner. Boom/Bust potential.
Bryan Edwards (South Carolina) – Competitor. Reminds me of USC’s Steve Smith.
K.J. Hill Jr. (Ohio State) – Solid. Doesn’t pop but looks like a #2 or #3 at the NFL level.
Kendall Hinton (Wake Forest) – Can do some damage after the catch as a slot receiver. Good #2 or #3 possession type.
Easop Winston Jr. (Washington State) – Good route runner, good hands. May be better NFL WR than College.
Kirk Merritt (Arkansas State) – Good deep speed and legitimate quicks after the catch. Reminds me of a lesser Golden Tate.
Isaiah Coulter (Rhode Island) - May be more a straightline receiver than quicks. Flashed ability in the open field against Virginia Tech and has some deep speed to his game.
Cedric Byrd II (Hawaii) – Better route runner than Ward but lacks his pure speed vertically. Has a better chance to stick IMO.
Damonte Coxie (Memphis) – Think he’s more of a playmaker than Gibson. Some questions on his abilities after the catch at the NFL level.
Jauan Jennings (Tennessee) – Good size and speed. May be a better athlete than football player though.
Joe Reed (Virginia) – Immediate impact starter as a return man. May end up just being a 4th or 5th WR on an NFL team.
Quartney Davis (Texas A&M) - Flashes speed after the catch. Body catcher. Some questions about physicality after the catch (desire is there but body isn't).
Marquez Callaway (Tennessee) – High points the ball well. Reminds me of Cordarrelle Patterson. Body catcher.
JoJo Ward (Hawaii) – Short but legit deep threat. May lack the agility quicks to stick as a slot receiver though.
Antonio Gibson (Memphis) – Can start as a return man. Possession type at the NFL level IMO.
Siaosi Mariner (Utah State) – Has some Allen Lazard in his game but Lazard was faster.
Collin Johnson (Texas) – Not as good as Marquez Valdes-Scantling but reminds me of him.
Denzel Mims (Baylor) – Reminds me of Breshad Perriman at times. I don’t think he has the deep speed for the NFL. Gets by mostly on his size.
Omar Bayless (Arkansas State) – Not as high on him as others. Strikes me as a JAG receiver propped up against lower competition.
Quez Watkins (Southern Miss) - Lanky frame. High points the ball well. Above average after the catch for college but strikes me as a JAG at the NFL level. Think he lacks the deep speed.
Chase Claypool (Notre Dame) – Body catcher at times. Average straight-line speed and average burst after catch. Size/Box Out ability is his strength but there’s better big body receivers in this class.
Arthur Jackson III (Eastern Michigan) – Flashes some ability to go up and get it despite his size. Average athletically and may struggle to get separation at the NFL level. Could carve out a career as a depth guy.
Brandon Arconado (Washington State) – Average after the catch. Possession guy in the mold of Justin Hardy.
Hasise Dubois (Virginia) – Average athletically. Slow burst when accelerating from a stop. Could stick as STer.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2020, 12:27:51 AM »
Tight End Rankings
Mitchell Wilcox (USF) – Vertical threat. Reminds me of Ben Coates.
Brycen Hopkins (Purdue) – Really good speed after the catch. Travis Kelce potential.
Josiah Deguara (Cincinnati) – Good route runner. Similar vibes to Jeremy Shockey.
Hunter Bryant (Washington) – Solid. Reminds me a lot of a guy like Zach Ertz.
Dominick Wood-Anderson (Tennessee) – Raw as receiver but may be best run blocker in class. Alge Crumpler vibes.
Charlie Woerner (Georgia) – Has some speed to get vertical in the seam. Solid blocker in run game.
Cheyenne O’Grady (Arkansas) – Average speed after the catch but a bulldozer. Fights hard post catch. Dawg.
Charlie Taumoepeau (Portland State) – May be a better blocker than receiver. Some Dwayne Allen in him.
Joey Magnifico (Memphis) – Solid as a receiver but doesn’t flash like the upper tier for me.
Harrison Bryant (FAU) – Not a burner. Can be a good weapon as a possession type in between the 20s.
Thaddeus Moss (LSU) - Purely a possession guy at the NFL level. Has some speed to hit the seam but lacks top end speed to run away after the catch IMO.
Giovanni Ricci (Western Michigan) – Good 2 way TE. May have a Jesse James like role in the NFL.
Jared Pinkney (Vanderbilt) – High points ball well and fighter after catch. Average speed. Bit of a lumberer.
Noah Togiai (Oregon State) – Similar to Pinkney, whom I prefer.
Adam Trautman (Dayton) – Overrated in my book. Not as good as Dallas Goedert when he came out.
Sean McKeon (Michigan) – Strikes me as a JAG type.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2020, 11:44:11 AM »
We need to do whatever it takes to draft Isaiah Simmons. Next Sean Taylor.


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damn i thought you guys were good little cucks who would shit themselfs so a POC could peacefully protest

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2020, 03:38:47 AM »
The NFLPA Collegiate Bowl is tonight at 7 PM on the NFL Network. Also RB Travis Etienne is surprisingly returning to Clemson for his Senior Year.

There are some notable offensive players in this game: QB Brian Lewerke, RB Cam Scarlett, RB Johnathan Ward, WR Omar Bayless, WR Kirk Merritt, and TE Cheyenne O'Grady.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2020, 03:40:57 AM »
Defensive Ends
Chase Young (Ohio State)
A.J. Epenesa (Iowa)
Jonathan Greenard (Florida) – Pure speed. If he can get coached up in technique, he could be Chandler Jones.
Yetur Gross-Matos (Penn State) – Wins with strength and hands. May lack flexibility to bend/dip.
Terrell Lewis (Alabama)
Jason Strowbridge (North Carolina)
Jabari Zuniga (Florida)
Khalid Kareem (Notre Dame)
Nick Coe (Auburn)
Joe Gaziano (Northwestern) – Big upside if he can lose 10-15 pounds at the NFL level and get faster.
Jonathan Garvin (Miami)
Darrell Taylor (Tennessee)
Kenny Willekes (Michigan State)
Alton Robinson (Syracuse)
Ron’Dell Carter (James Madison)
D.J. Wonnum (South Carolina)
Alex Highsmith (Charlotte)
Trevis Gipson (Tulsa)
Christian Rector (USC)
Bryce Sterk (Montana State)
Delontae Scott (SMU)

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2020, 11:58:46 PM »
Defensive Tackles
Derrick Brown (Auburn)
Javon Kinlaw (South Carolina)
James Lynch (Baylor)
Davon Hamilton (Ohio State)
Neville Gallimore (Oklahoma)
Marlon Davidson (Auburn)
Jordan Elliott (Missouri)
Ross Blackstock (TCU)
Rashard Lawrence (LSU)
Raekwon Davis (Alabama)
Josiah Coatney (Ole Miss) - Sleeper. Sets new LOS every snap.
Larrell Murchison (NC State)
Raequan Williams (Michigan State)
Justin Madubuike (Texas A&M)
Tyler Clark (Georgia)
Kevin Thurmon Jr. (Arkansas State)
Darrion Daniels (Nebraska)
Benito Jones (Ole Miss)
McTelvin Agim (Arkansas)
Robert Windsor (Penn State)