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2020 NFL Draft
« on: November 01, 2019, 01:20:26 AM »
We're only halfway through the NFL Season and working our way towards the end of the college football season in a couple months.

Bill Belichick Scouting Notes on Defense per Daniel Jeremiah Podcast
Defend middle of the field first. Do not allow offense to run or pass inside. Pressure on the QB up the middle. Force them to go to the outside. Make sure you have a 3rd Down cover LB.
DE: All-Around players. Big, strong, and can run. Would rather have the bigger, stronger guy than the faster guy to stop the run & substitute in for the pass rush.
#1: Cannot get knocked off LOS. #2: Size over Speed at DE. #3: Pressure up the middle on QBs can cause more problems than guys running around the corner. #4: Frame & Growth potential are very important.
DT: Need explosive quickness. Can play well in a fairly confined space. Explosion, power, quickness, leverage.
ILB: Has to play in close quarters. Instinctive, explosive tackler. Can face up and knock guys back. Good blitzers, must be football smart. Don't need great intelligence, need instincts. Quickness, aggressiveness, leverage, explosive power.
OLB: Big, rangy guy if you can get them. Usually 1st Rounders but settle for guys who can stay on the line. Long arms, quick hands. OLBs need size, speed, and athletic ability.
CB: Tackle and force guys. Cannot put guys on the field who cannot tackle. Intelligence on defense not a great factor. DBs have to work well together like an offensive line. Teamwork and unselfishness.
FS/SS: Tacklers, at least 200 pounds. Need range with 2 deep safeties. Do not need mental giants. Have to be able to cover man to man. Ball skills and judgement are essential.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 01:24:35 AM »
Notes: These are just rankings in order, not that I necessarily think Player B has a steep dropoff after Player A

2020 NFL Draft QB Rankings 27 Ranked
QB Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama) 6'0" 217: Plays within the system. Very accurate at all 3 levels of the playing field, especially on deep balls.
QB Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma) 6'1" 222: Lot of Russell Wilson in his game. Learned multiple offenses and flourished.
QB Joe Burrow (LSU) 6'4" 221: Smart, takes what the defense gives him and doesn't overthink it. Josh Allen in him as a runner when faced with pressure in the pocket.
QB Anthony Gordon (Washington State) 6'2" 205: Reminds me a lot of Jimmy Garoppolo. May have the best touch/accuracy on deep throws in this class. Makes multiple reads, progresses through options. Mike Leach's best NFL QB prospect ever.
QB Jake Fromm (Georgia) 6'2" 219: Flashes touch and accuracy at all 3 levels. Didn't need to do much at Georgia but capable of multiple reads when in pocket. The type of QB who is a 2nd or 3rd Round pick, flourishes in the NFL, and people wonder how they "missed" on him e.g. labeling him as just a game manager.
QB Justin Herbert (Oregon) 6'6" 236: Can make any throw on the field. Made a lot of great throws in tight windows, sometimes as a result of throwing late to his receivers. Some questions if he can adapt to the speed of the NFL if this is already a factor at the college level.
QB Jacob Eason (Washington) 6'6" 231: Biggest arm since Matthew Stafford. Like Stafford, can trust his arm too much and look for the home run over the easier pass that extends the drive.
QB Steven Montez (Colorado) 6'4" 231: Rocket for an arm. Board Climber. Flashes some ability to move in pocket. One of the faster releases in this class.
QB Jordan Love (Utah State) 6'4" 224: Type of QB who head coaches salivate over, oozes potential but may already be who he is as a QB. Similar skill set to Montez whom I prefer.
QB Jake Luton (Oregon State) 6'7" 230: Faster than size suggests. Solid arm but prone to underthrowing deep balls. Accurate, mostly makes good decisions. Sleeper.
QB Shane Buechele (SMU): Clone of Case Keenum. Flashes good touch and accuracy when throwing deep but average arm otherwise.
QB Shea Patterson (Michigan) 6'1" 212: Fits the profile of a developmental 6th or 7th Round QB project. Flashes touch and accuracy but lacks arm strength. Played in "Pro System" under Jim Harbaugh, which will give him credibility.
QB Sam Ehlinger (Texas): Competitor. May only have an average arm for the NFL level but could be successful in a system that asks him to go horizontal more than stretch the field.
QB Brian Lewerke (Michigan State) 6'2" 213: Flashes touch and accuracy but more Brian Hoyer than Kirk Cousins.
QB Kellen Mond (Texas A&M): Good arm. Better ability as a runner than as a pocket QB. Strikes me as a later round pick like a 6th or 7th Round who can develop on the bench.
QB James Morgan (FIU) 6'4" 229: Prototype NFL size and above average arm strength. Some Nick Foles to him.
QB Cole McDonald (Hawai'i) 6'3" 215: Flashes drive and touch when throwing deep. Home run hitter. Really fast as a runner. Some questions due to benching in 2019.
QB Stephen Calvert (Liberty) 6'1" 180: Wonky release. Flashes some ability to throw at the NFL level but may be a 7th Round/Priority Free Agent.
QB Jamie Newman (Wake Forest)
QB Khalil Tate (Arizona) 6'0" 217: Tailor made to convert to WR. Could be a weapon at the position.
QB Kaleb Barker (Troy) 6'0" 196: Good as a runner. Probable convert to WR at the NFL level with potential to stick in the right system. Sleeper position change.
QB Kelly Bryant (Missouri) 6'3" 229: Raw as a pocket QB for the NFL. Good athletic ability in tight space. Kind of a tweener but athleticism could get him converted to WR.
QB Nate Stanley (Iowa) 6'4" 235: Good college QB who may stick for a year or two at the NFL level. Flashes touch but possesses an average arm for the NFL level.
QB Ian Book (Notre Dame): Can flash some zip on throws but may be better served switching to WR. Runs tough and has enough speed to make the conversion.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 02:13:39 AM »
Looks like this will be a fun QB class, I think. From 1 to 7, I could see any of them going as the first QB, just because of potential or what have you.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2019, 08:08:02 AM »
Fromm has been a borderline game manager this year. Georgia likes to run the ball, but I'm seeing him more as a longterm backup. I'd put Burrow for sure and probably Ehlinger above him. Gordon probably ends up being the 5th QB off the board.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2019, 08:18:38 AM »
This is an intersting class though. A lot of NFL teams need a QB. Teams like the Saints and Chargers are in the market for an heir to their QB position. Depending on injuries and combine results, their should be 8 to 9 taken in the first 3 rounds. Five to six in round one alone.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2019, 11:08:33 PM »
This is an intersting class though. A lot of NFL teams need a QB. Teams like the Saints and Chargers are in the market for an heir to their QB position. Depending on injuries and combine results, their should be 8 to 9 taken in the first 3 rounds. Five to six in round one alone.

Yeah, it also depends on which juniors declare. Teams which need QBs: Miami, Tennessee (Mariota is a FA in 2020), Tampa Bay (Winston is a FA in 2020), Chicago (Trubisky is signed through 2020 with a 5th Year option for 2021), Pittsburgh (Big Ben's signed through 2021, Mason Rudolph was a 3rd Round pick), and LA Chargers (RIVAS is a FA in 2020, Easton Stick was a 5th Round pick). That's a pretty solid 6 teams right there.

Some teams like Cincinnati (Ryan Finley was a 4th Round pick) and New Orleans (Drew Brees is signed through 2020 but Bridgewater is signed through 2021) may select a QB but I don't know if they'll go for a 1st or 2nd Round one unless a high ranked talent drop into their laps.

Other teams like Washington and Denver invested high picks in Haskins and Drew Lock respectively while Jacksonville has seemingly found their franchise QB in Gardner Minshew. Most of the other teams in the NFL are pretty set with their starting QBs.

A couple dark horse teams? Seattle. Russell Wilson will be 31 next year and is signed through 2024. Pete could be looking to start grooming a backup to take over there. Also Detroit has Stafford who'll be 32 next year and is signed through 2022. Detroit could save $23 Million in 2022 by trading him after June 1st with no dead cap money.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2019, 01:03:04 AM »
Updated my QB Rankings. Burrow's climbed for me and I still like Anthony Gordon more than Justin Herbert. Stephen Calvert's a real sleeper to keep an eye on. If his mechanics can be refined a bit, he could be a surprise at the NFL level.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2019, 04:54:39 AM »
Brother I know people like to assume Bengals are dumb and believe me they have shown much evidence to support this but they aren’t so enamored with a god damn 4th round selection, whom they waited half a season into a winless effort to throw out that they’d not take any of these highly touted selections that will be available to them with their overall number one pick.   

This isn’t 1999 anymore, teams have no problem moving off a guy this quick.  Look no further than the Arizona Cardinals with what they did with Rosen/Murray.   Washington will/should happily cut bait with Haskins if it means landing a top talent

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2019, 07:30:49 AM »
Brother I know people like to assume Bengals are dumb and believe me they have shown much evidence to support this but they aren’t so enamored with a god damn 4th round selection, whom they waited half a season into a winless effort to throw out that they’d not take any of these highly touted selections that will be available to them with their overall number one pick.   

This isn’t 1999 anymore, teams have no problem moving off a guy this quick.  Look no further than the Arizona Cardinals with what they did with Rosen/Murray.   Washington will/should happily cut bait with Haskins if it means landing a top talent

You're right that they'd probably take Tua or Herbert with their 1st Round pick. With that said, I could've also seen them getting to say 3-13 (wins over the Jets, Dolphins, and say an upset of the Browns in Week 17) and being in a spot where they'd get stupid and take somebody like a Chase Young due to being say the 4th or 5th pick.

Teams like Washington, at best, are gonna be finishing the year off at like 2-14. Miami, Jets, Atlanta, and the Giants could all vary wildly from going 2-14 to winning maybe 4 or even 5 games.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2019, 03:26:03 AM »
RB Rankings
Jonathan Taylor (Wisconsin) 5'10" 226 – Stud.
Ke’Shawn Vaughn (Vanderbilt) 5'10" 214 – The best vision amongst RBs in this class. Sleeper.
D’Andre Swift (Georgia) 5'8" 212 – Looks like a man among boys in college. Adrian Peterson vibes.
Xavier Jones (SMU) 5'10" 208 – Fantastic balance with long speed. Etienne may get more hype but Jones has a better overall package IMO.
Travis Etienne Jr. (Clemson) – May have the fastest burst through the hole in this class. CJ Spiller vibes, in that he has questionable vision but ‘wins’ through pure speed.
J.K. Dobbins (Ohio State) 5'9" 209
Clyde Edwards-Helaire (LSU) 5'7" 207 – Has the traits but short height hinders him. I don’t think physicality can translate to NFL.
Darrynton Evans (App State) 5'10" 203 – Sleeper. Shifty ala Tarik Cohen.
Javon Leake (Maryland) 6'0" 215 - Better than Ty Johnson, whom I really liked last year.
Tra Barnett (Georgia State) 5'8" 191 – Has good vision. Won’t be a game changer but an ideal #2 or #3 RB.
Jonathan Ward (Central Michigan) 5'11" 195 – Runs bigger than his size. Good committee back.
Rakeem Boyd (Arkansas) 6'0" 213 – Weapon in receiving game. Good initial burst but lacks breakaway speed.
Joshua Kelley (UCLA) 5'11" 212
A.J. Dillon (Boston College) 6'0" 247
Najee Harris (Alabama)
Eno Benjamin (Arizona State) 5'9" 207 - Reminds me of Danny Woodhead. Will get some carries but more of a receiving RB than inside the tackles at the NFL level.
Cam Akers (Florida State) 5'10" 207 – Not a fan. More "name" than skill. Has just average burst through the hole.
LeVante Bellamy (Western Michigan) 5'9" 192
Zack Moss (Utah) 5'9" 223 – Seeks contact but some questions about long speed at NFL level.
Rodney Smith (Minnesota) 5'10" 210
Kylin Hill (Mississippi State) - Good fit for a Zone blocking scheme but looks like a #3 RB otherwise.
DeeJay Dallas (Miami) 5'10" 217 - Good vision and speed but doesn't seem to like contact.
Tony Jones Jr. (Notre Dame) 5'10" 220
Benny LeMay (Charlotte) 5'8" 221
Tre Harbison (Northern Illinois)

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2019, 12:15:08 AM »
Jordan Love has declared for the NFL Draft with some calling him a 1st Round pick with Patrick Mahomes vibes (mostly due to his arm strength and ability to throw from different angles). I'm not nearly as high on him in part because he stares down receivers and gives me Jameis Winston vibes.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2020, 12:21:18 AM »
Wide Receivers
Jerry Jeudy (Alabama) 6'1" 193 – Randy Moss-like size/speed combo. Swagger. Stud.
CeeDee Lamb (Oklahoma) 6'2" 198 – Stud. Strikes me as a taller Dante Hall type. Playmaker.
Lavisha Shenault Jr. (Colorado) 6'1" 227 - May have the best hands in this class. Can get behind coverage, deceptively fast. Gonna be good.
Antonio Gandy-Golden (Liberty) 6'4" 223 – A clone of Larry Fitzgerald. Total fighter after the catch. A dawg.
Van Jefferson (Florida) 6'1" 200 – Reminds me of Anquan Boldin or DeAndre Hopkins. Very good. Not as fast but big, physical, and NFL ready.
Brandon Aiyuk (Arizona State) 6'0" 205 – Burner. Good route runner and very physical for his size.
KJ Hamler (Penn State) 5'9" 178 - May be the fastest WR in this class. Plays much tougher than his size. Good in all facets. Will be 3rd WR by most people, I just prefer the others above him.
Henry Ruggs III (Alabama) 5'11" 188 - Speed demon. Good ability after the catch but his hands are spotty at times and he's prone to body catching. A little overrated by some in my book.
Tyler Johnson (Minnesota) 6'1" 206 – Great route runner. Reminds me of Antonio Brown on the field, especially after the catch. Big play threat.
Devin Duvernay (Texas) 5'10" 200 – One of my favorites. Constant separation from DBs. Smooth.
John Hightower (Boise State) 6'1" 189 – Pure weapon with the ball in his hands. Mecole Hardiman in the NFL vibes.
Tee Higgins (Clemson) 6'4" 216 – Big body with speed. Not as good as DeAndre Hopkins but he’s legit.
Justin Jefferson (LSU) 6'1" 202 – Good. Reminds me more of Jarvis Landry than Odell Beckham.
Lynn Bowden Jr. (Kentucky) 5'11" 204 - Really good, jack of all trades type as a RB/WR/Returner. Best fit at the NFL level is probably as an inside slot WR but he can be a weapon with the right OC.
Lucky Jackson (Western Kentucky) 6'0" 179 – Sleeper. Great concentration, good hands. Limited to a possession guy at the NFL level but could carve out a decent career in the right system. Think Wayne Chrebet.
James Proche (SMU) 5'11" 201 – Good speed in intermediate area. Has some Emmanuel Sanders in his game.
Donovan Peoples-Jones (Michigan) 6'2" 212 - Similar profile to Pittman Jr. Straight line speed who offers 4 down ability. May lack wiggle but good chance to be productive in the NFL. Flashes hands and adjusts to the ball well.
Michael Pittman Jr. (USC) 6'4" 223 – Good straight-line speed. Good hands. High points ball. Bad route runner. Boom/Bust potential.
Bryan Edwards (South Carolina) 6'3" 212 – Competitor. Reminds me of USC’s Steve Smith.
K.J. Hill Jr. (Ohio State) 6'0" 196 – Solid. Doesn’t pop but looks like a #2 or #3 at the NFL level.
Kendall Hinton (Wake Forest) 5'10" 193 – Can do some damage after the catch as a slot receiver. Good #2 or #3 possession type.
Easop Winston Jr. (Washington State) 5'11" 192 – Good route runner, good hands. May be better NFL WR than College.
Kirk Merritt (Arkansas State) 6'0" 208 – Good deep speed and legitimate quicks after the catch. Reminds me of a lesser Golden Tate.
Isaiah Coulter (Rhode Island) 6'2" 198 - May be more a straightline receiver than quicks. Flashed ability in the open field against Virginia Tech and has some deep speed to his game.
Cedric Byrd II (Hawaii) 5'9" 175 – Better route runner than Ward but lacks his pure speed vertically. Has a better chance to stick IMO.
Damonte Coxie (Memphis) – Think he’s more of a playmaker than Gibson. Some questions on his abilities after the catch at the NFL level.
Jauan Jennings (Tennessee) 6'3" 215 – Good size and speed. May be a better athlete than football player though.
Joe Reed (Virginia) 6'0" 224 – Immediate impact starter as a return man. May end up just being a 4th or 5th WR on an NFL team.
Quartney Davis (Texas A&M) 6'1" 201 - Flashes speed after the catch. Body catcher. Some questions about physicality after the catch (desire is there but body isn't).
Marquez Callaway (Tennessee) 6'1" 205 – High points the ball well. Reminds me of Cordarrelle Patterson. Body catcher.
JoJo Ward (Hawaii) 5'9" 167 – Short but legit deep threat. May lack the agility quicks to stick as a slot receiver though.
Antonio Gibson (Memphis) 6'0" 228 – Can start as a return man. Possession type at the NFL level IMO.
Siaosi Mariner (Utah State) 6'1" 195 – Has some Allen Lazard in his game but Lazard was faster.
Collin Johnson (Texas) 6'6" 222 – Not as good as Marquez Valdes-Scantling but reminds me of him.
Denzel Mims (Baylor) 6'3" 207 – Reminds me of Breshad Perriman at times. I don’t think he has the deep speed for the NFL. Gets by mostly on his size.
Omar Bayless (Arkansas State) 6'1" 212 – Not as high on him as others. Strikes me as a JAG receiver propped up against lower competition.
Quez Watkins (Southern Miss) 6'0" 185 - Lanky frame. High points the ball well. Above average after the catch for college but strikes me as a JAG at the NFL level. Think he lacks the deep speed.
Chase Claypool (Notre Dame) 6'4" 238 – Body catcher at times. Average straight-line speed and average burst after catch. Size/Box Out ability is his strength but there’s better big body receivers in this class.May shift to TE at NFL level.
Arthur Jackson III (Eastern Michigan) 6'0" 196 – Flashes some ability to go up and get it despite his size. Average athletically and may struggle to get separation at the NFL level. Could carve out a career as a depth guy.
Brandon Arconado (Washington State) 6'0" 183 – Average after the catch. Possession guy in the mold of Justin Hardy.
Hasise Dubois (Virginia) 6'2" 215 – Average athletically. Slow burst when accelerating from a stop. Could stick as STer.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2020, 12:27:51 AM »
Tight End Rankings
Mitchell Wilcox (USF) – Vertical threat. Reminds me of Ben Coates.
Brycen Hopkins (Purdue) – Really good speed after the catch. Travis Kelce potential.
Josiah Deguara (Cincinnati) – Good route runner. Similar vibes to Jeremy Shockey.
Hunter Bryant (Washington) – Solid. Reminds me a lot of a guy like Zach Ertz.
Cole Kmet (Notre Dame) - Overrated IMO. Could have a Jason Witten-like career but limited run after catch speed and I prefer the upside of those ahead of him.
Dominick Wood-Anderson (Tennessee) – Raw as receiver but may be best run blocker in class. Alge Crumpler vibes.
Charlie Woerner (Georgia) – Has some speed to get vertical in the seam. Solid blocker in run game.
Cheyenne O’Grady (Arkansas) – Average speed after the catch but a bulldozer. Fights hard post catch. Dawg.
Charlie Taumoepeau (Portland State) – May be a better blocker than receiver. Some Dwayne Allen in him.
Joey Magnifico (Memphis) – Solid as a receiver but doesn’t flash like the upper tier for me.
Harrison Bryant (FAU) – Not a burner. Can be a good weapon as a possession type in between the 20s.
Thaddeus Moss (LSU) - Purely a possession guy at the NFL level. Has some speed to hit the seam but lacks top end speed to run away after the catch IMO.
Giovanni Ricci (Western Michigan) – Good 2 way TE. May have a Jesse James like role in the NFL.
Jared Pinkney (Vanderbilt) – High points ball well and fighter after catch. Average speed. Bit of a lumberer.
Noah Togiai (Oregon State) – Similar to Pinkney, whom I prefer.
Adam Trautman (Dayton) – Overrated in my book. Not as good as Dallas Goedert when he came out.
Sean McKeon (Michigan) – Strikes me as a JAG type.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2020, 11:44:11 AM »
We need to do whatever it takes to draft Isaiah Simmons. Next Sean Taylor.


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damn i thought you guys were good little cucks who would shit themselfs so a POC could peacefully protest

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2020, 03:38:47 AM »
The NFLPA Collegiate Bowl is tonight at 7 PM on the NFL Network. Also RB Travis Etienne is surprisingly returning to Clemson for his Senior Year.

There are some notable offensive players in this game: QB Brian Lewerke, RB Cam Scarlett, RB Johnathan Ward, WR Omar Bayless, WR Kirk Merritt, and TE Cheyenne O'Grady.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2020, 03:40:57 AM »
Defensive Ends
Chase Young (Ohio State) 6'5" 264
A.J. Epenesa (Iowa) 6'5" 275
Jonathan Greenard (Florida) 6'3" 263 Pure speed. If he can get coached up in technique, he could be Chandler Jones.
Yetur Gross-Matos (Penn State) 6'5" 266 Wins with strength and hands. May lack flexibility to bend/dip.
Terrell Lewis (Alabama) 6'5" 262
Jason Strowbridge (North Carolina) 6'4" 275
Jabari Zuniga (Florida) 6'3" 264
Khalid Kareem (Notre Dame) 6'4" 268
Nick Coe (Auburn) 6'5" 280
Joe Gaziano (Northwestern) 6'4" 282 Big upside if he can lose 10-15 pounds at the NFL level and get faster.
Jonathan Garvin (Miami) 6'4" 263
Darrell Taylor (Tennessee) 6'4" 267
Kenny Willekes (Michigan State) 6'3" 264
Nasir Player (East Tennessee State) 6'5" 261
Alton Robinson (Syracuse) 6'3" 264
RonDell Carter (James Madison) 6'3" 265
D.J. Wonnum (South Carolina) 6'5" 258
Tyshun Render (Middle Tennessee) 6'3" 256
Trevon Hill (Miami) 6'3" 248
Alex Highsmith (Charlotte) 6'3" 248
Trevis Gipson (Tulsa) 6'3" 254
Christian Rector (USC) 6'4" 270
James Smith-Williams (NC State) 6'4" 265
Kendall Coleman (Syracuse) 6'3" 257 - Good effort/competes hard but can get washed out at LOS.
Bryce Sterk (Montana State) 6'4" 262
Delontae Scott (SMU) 6'4" 246

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2020, 11:58:46 PM »
Defensive Tackles
Derrick Brown (Auburn) 6'5" 326
Javon Kinlaw (South Carolina) 6'5" 324
James Lynch (Baylor) 6'4" 289
Davon Hamilton (Ohio State) 6'4" 320
Neville Gallimore (Oklahoma) 6'2" 304
Marlon Davidson (Auburn) 6'3" 303
Jordan Elliott (Missouri) 6'4" 302
Ross Blackstock (TCU) 6'3" 290
Rashard Lawrence (LSU) 6'2" 308
Raekwon Davis (Alabama) 6'6" 311
Josiah Coatney (Ole Miss) 6'3" 308 - Sleeper. Sets new LOS every snap.
Larrell Murchison (NC State) 6'2" 297
Raequan Williams (Michigan State) 6'4" 308
Justin Madubuike (Texas A&M) 6'3" 293
Tyler Clark (Georgia) 6'3" 300
Kevin Thurmon Jr. (Arkansas State) 6'1" 294
Darrion Daniels (Nebraska) 6'3" 311
Benito Jones (Ole Miss) 6'1" 316
McTelvin Agim (Arkansas) 6'3" 309
Robert Windsor (Penn State) 6'4" 290

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2020, 01:15:30 AM »
Compensatory Picks announced: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001105772/article/patriots-earn-leaguehigh-four-2020-comp-selections

Patriots got 2 3rd Rounders and 2 6th Rounders. Philadelphia got 1 3rd Rounder and 2 4th Rounders. Seattle got 1 3rd Rounder, 1 4th Rounder, and 1 6th Rounder.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2020, 01:37:06 AM »
Harley's First Mock Draft

Round 1
1. Cincinnati - QB Joe Burrow
2. Washington - DE Chase Young
3. Detroit - LB Isaiah Simmons. They badly need somebody to lead the defense and Simmons is too much of a stud to pass up IMO.
4. NY Giants Mock Trade with LA Chargers - QB Justin Herbert
5. Miami - OL Tristan Wirfs. Miami, IMO, can go any direction and have the trade capital to also move back up. I'm not sold they have to go QB here tbh.
6. LA Chargers Mock Trade with NY Giants - CB Jeff Okudah. Joe Judge saw first hand how important an elite defense can be and that starts with getting 'his' Stephon Gilmore.
7. Carolina - QB Tua Tagovailoa
8. Arizona - OL Mekhi Becton
9. Jacksonville - LB Kenneth Murray
10. Cleveland - DT Derrick Brown
11. NY Jets - OL Jedrick Willis Jr
12. Las Vegas - DT Javon Kinlaw
13. San Francisco f/IND - CB Kristian Fulton
14. Tampa Bay - OL Andrew Thomas
15. Denver - DE AJ Epenesa
16. Atlanta - CB CJ Henderson
17. Dallas - WR Jerry Jeudy
18. Miami f/PIT - RB Jonathan Taylor. Another curveball but Miami desperately needs a big time RB and Flores knows he has to build up a team in this draft.
19. Las Vegas f/CHI - DE K'Lavon Chaisson. Raiders continue to bolster their defense getting top level talent for good value.
20. Jacksonville f/LAR - QB Jordan Love. Jaguars have Minshew but they need talent and Love has Jameis Winston-like upside & downside.
21. Philadelphia - DE Yetur Gross-Matos
22. Minnesota f/BUF - S Grant Delpit. Minny looks to the future in replacing Harrison Smith with this move.
23. New England - S Xavier McKinney. They can really go anywhere but I think their recent moves spotlight they like the secondary class and McKinney can be an immediate impact STer with potential to start from Day 1.
24. New Orleans - LB Patrick Queen
25. Minnesota - WR Henry Ruggs III
26. Miami f/HOU - QB Jacob Eason. Miami reaches a little but lands their potential QB of the future here.
27. Seattle - OL Solomon Kindley. Seahawks always seem to take a 'surprise' pick early in the draft and this guy not only fills a need but can be a true road grader for a team that needs one.
28. Baltimore - WR Tee Higgins. Baltimore follows the blueprint of Kansas City but opts for bigger size to complement Hollywood Brown.
29. Tennessee - LB Zack Baun
30. Green Bay - WR Justin Jefferson
31. San Francisco - DT Ross Blackstock
32. Kansas City - RB D'Andre Swift. Kansas City somehow gets scarier on offense with a true bellcow option at RB.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2020, 04:40:04 AM »
The Raiders need a WR and CB the most my man.


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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2020, 05:03:03 AM »
The Raiders need a WR and CB the most my man.

Yeah. Realistically I think they'll trade down from the 12 spot depending on what happens ahead of them. They have 2nd year guys in Trayvon Mullen and Isaiah Johnson and I feel like they'll try to get a top tier veteran CB via free agency.

WR wise, I think the 12 spot is too high for Jerry Jeudy or CeeDee Lamb and there's depth in this class just like last year. I could see them trading down with another team in the later teens e.g. Dallas or Jacksonville.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2020, 07:42:08 AM »
The Raiders need a WR and CB the most my man.

You are about to get Dre Kirkpatrick my man

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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2020, 07:49:39 AM »
The Raiders need a WR and CB the most my man.

You are about to get Dre Kirkpatrick my man

Still will need a CB then!


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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2020, 07:51:28 AM »
The Raiders need a WR and CB the most my man.

You are about to get Dre Kirkpatrick my man

Please no


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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2020, 07:08:17 AM »
Harley's First Mock Draft

Round 1
1. Cincinnati - QB Joe Burrow
2. Washington - DE Chase Young
3. Detroit - LB Isaiah Simmons. They badly need somebody to lead the defense and Simmons is too much of a stud to pass up IMO.
4. NY Giants Mock Trade with LA Chargers - QB Justin Herbert
5. Miami - OL Tristan Wirfs. Miami, IMO, can go any direction and have the trade capital to also move back up. I'm not sold they have to go QB here tbh.
6. LA Chargers Mock Trade with NY Giants - CB Jeff Okudah. Joe Judge saw first hand how important an elite defense can be and that starts with getting 'his' Stephon Gilmore.
7. Carolina - QB Tua Tagovailoa
8. Arizona - OL Mekhi Becton
9. Jacksonville - LB Kenneth Murray
10. Cleveland - DT Derrick Brown
11. NY Jets - OL Jedrick Willis Jr
12. Las Vegas - DT Javon Kinlaw
13. San Francisco f/IND - CB Kristian Fulton
14. Tampa Bay - OL Andrew Thomas
15. Denver - DE AJ Epenesa
16. Atlanta - CB CJ Henderson
17. Dallas - WR Jerry Jeudy
18. Miami f/PIT - RB Jonathan Taylor. Another curveball but Miami desperately needs a big time RB and Flores knows he has to build up a team in this draft.
19. Las Vegas f/CHI - DE K'Lavon Chaisson. Raiders continue to bolster their defense getting top level talent for good value.
20. Jacksonville f/LAR - QB Jordan Love. Jaguars have Minshew but they need talent and Love has Jameis Winston-like upside & downside.
21. Philadelphia - DE Yetur Gross-Matos
22. Minnesota f/BUF - S Grant Delpit. Minny looks to the future in replacing Harrison Smith with this move.
23. New England - S Xavier McKinney. They can really go anywhere but I think their recent moves spotlight they like the secondary class and McKinney can be an immediate impact STer with potential to start from Day 1.
24. New Orleans - LB Patrick Queen
25. Minnesota - WR Henry Ruggs III
26. Miami f/HOU - QB Jacob Eason. Miami reaches a little but lands their potential QB of the future here.
27. Seattle - OL Solomon Kindley. Seahawks always seem to take a 'surprise' pick early in the draft and this guy not only fills a need but can be a true road grader for a team that needs one.
28. Baltimore - WR Tee Higgins. Baltimore follows the blueprint of Kansas City but opts for bigger size to complement Hollywood Brown.
29. Tennessee - LB Zack Baun
30. Green Bay - WR Justin Jefferson
31. San Francisco - DT Ross Blackstock
32. Kansas City - RB D'Andre Swift. Kansas City somehow gets scarier on offense with a true bellcow option at RB.

JACOB EASON? Kill me now.


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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2020, 06:17:08 AM »
Added Cole Kmet to my TE Rankings. Will probably try and tackle the LBs tomorrow or the day after if I can.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2020, 01:06:39 AM »
Linebackers (Combined ILB and OLB)
Isaiah Simmons (Clemson)
Kenneth Murray (Oklahoma)
K’Lavon Chaisson (LSU)
Zack Baun (Wisconsin)
Willie Gay Jr (Mississippi State). May be fastest LB in class. Just explosive.
Josh Uche (Michigan)
Patrick Queen (LSU)
Malik Harrison (Ohio State)
Jordan Mack (Virginia). Real deal.
Julian Okwara (Notre Dame)
Joe Bachie (Michigan State). Sleeper.
Akeem Davis-Gaither (App State)
Anfernee Jennings (Alabama)
Carter Coughlin (Minnesota). Reminds me of Chase Winovich last year.
Davion Taylor (Colorado)
Jeremy Chinn (Southern Illinois)
Shaquille Quarterman (Miami)
Jacob Phillips (LSU)
Troy Dye (Oregon)
Kamal Martin (Minnesota)
Logan Wilson (Wyoming)
Jordyn Brooks (Texas Tech)
Cam Brown (Penn State)
Mykal Walker (Fresno State)
Casey Toohill (Stanford)
David Woodward (Utah State)
Shaun Bradley (Temple)
Tanner Muse (Clemson)
Evan Weaver (California)
Francis Bernard (Utah)

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2020, 04:55:12 AM »
Patriots facetime interviewed OT Ezra Cleveland (Boise State), OG Damien Lewis (LSU) who is an absolute road grader who could be a great value pick in the 3rd-5th Rounds, DE Kenny Willekes (Michigan State), and DT Raequan Williams (Michigan State).

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2020, 02:28:35 AM »
Cornerbacks
Jeff Okudah (Ohio State) 6’1” 205. Most versatile CB in the draft. Can line up inside/outside, press or off.
CJ Henderson (Florida) 6’1” 204. Can do everything including blitzing. May be best all-around CB in draft.
Kristian Fulton (LSU) 6’0” 197. Could probably challenge for the #1 spot in any other draft class.
Trevon Diggs (Alabama) 6’1” 205. One of the best at knowing where the ball is as a cover CB.
AJ Terrell (Clemson) 6’1” 195. Very solid but prone to going for the big hit over the sure tackle.
Darnay Holmes (UCLA) 5’10” 195. High effort. Offers return ability. A dawg.
Damon Arnette (Ohio State) 6’0” 195. Versatile. Can play inside, outside, and deep in Cover 3.
Jaylon Johnson (Utah) 6’0” 193.
Jeff Gladney (TCU) 5’10” 191.
Dane Jackson (Pittsburgh) 6’0” 187. Terrific closing burst. Sleeper.
Cam Dantzler (Mississippi State) 6’2” 188. Prototype CB size with enough speed to stick. Can blitz off edge.
Noah Igbinoghene (Auburn) 5’10” 198. Willing to get nose dirty. Size & speed may limit him to slot role.
Parnell Motley (Oklahoma) 6’0” 183. Deep sleeper. Reminded me of Asante Samuel.
Bryce Hall (Virginia) 6’1” 202. Can cover deep but straight-line speed may move him to Safety down the road.
Michael Ojemudia (Iowa) 6’1” 200. Just solid in all facets but won’t wow.
Troy Pride (Notre Dame) 5’11” 193. A bit overrated in my book. Prefer others who are more willing to tackle.
Kindle Vildor (Georgia Southern) 5’10” 195. Will likely stick to the slot at the NFL level.
A.J. Green (Oklahoma State) 6’1” 202
Lamar Jackson (Nebraska) 6’2” 208. Prototype CB size but speed may force move to Safety.
Reggie Robinson (Tulsa) 6’1” 205
Nevelle Clarke (UCF) 6’1” 190
Luq Barcoo (San Diego State) 6’1” 175
Harrison Hand (Temple) 5’11” 197
Lavert Hill (Michigan) 5’10” 190. Size and speed will limit him to a Slot role.
Stantley Thomas-Oliver (FIU) 6’0” 192
Stanford Samuels (Florida State) 6’1” 187
Chris Williamson (Minnesota) 6’0” 199

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2020, 09:33:23 AM »
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mock-draft-simulator/ is a lot of fun. Includes trades and features being able to pick up future picks!

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2020, 09:59:59 AM »
Did a Patriots mock draft using the above link.

Draft Trades
Sent 23, 100, and 195 to Detroit for 35, 109, 182, and 2021 4th Rounder.
Sent 87 and 172 to Tennessee for 93, 174, and 2021 5th Rounder.
Sent 125 and 174 to Baltimore for 129, 170, and 2021 7th Rounder.
Sent 213 to Washington for a 2021 6th Rounder.

The Picks
35 = OT Ezra Cleveland
93 = TE Cole Kmet
98 = WR Devin Duvernay
109 = DE/DT James Lynch
129 = OT Terence Steele
170 = S Antoine Brooks Jr
182 = DT Raequan Williams
204 = OLB Chapelle Russell
212 = QB Cole McDonald
230 = ILB David Woodward
241 = CB/S Shyheim Carter

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2020, 07:47:45 AM »
Did a couple of mocks for the Bears. Didn't do any trades because that just seemed too complicated. I would gladly have traded down in spots though. I also didn't look at Harley's mock because I didnt want to get any bias from seeing what he took.

My main focus for the Bears with their limited draft capital was load up Offensive Line, get something usable at TE to take advantage of being able to learn from Jimmy Graham, and get some bodies for the secondary. Also if the price is right, we're looking for a RB that is more of what Nagy likes. You'll notice that I didn't list QB as a need. With Foles & Trubisky on the roster I don't see any reason to waste a pick on a flyer project QB. That will be 2021.

Mock #1

43. D'Andre Swift, RB Georgia
Right away with our first 2nd rounder Swift & Taylor were both still there. Went with Swift. Taylor is a better version of David Montgomery, who in turn is just a better version of Jordan Howard. Nagy hates that kind of back, so we're going to bring in Swift for an every down role. Bumps Montgomery to short yardage/goal line. Bumps Cohen to gadget bullshit and return game.

50. Hunter Bryant, TE Washington
Tight End is a major concern. Bears cut Sims who we used as a blocking TE. Adam Shaheen is looking like a bust. Trey Burton is hurt too much. We signed Jimmy Graham, but I really look at Graham as a goal line / mentor role. So we're going to take advantage of having that knowledge and bring in Bryant. He's exactly the type of pass catching TE that can block that Nagy wanted Burton to be. Should we have went Safety or Cornerback here? Maybe. The lack of TE was such a problem for the offense that we need to invest in it.

163. Netane Muti, G Fresno State
The Bears had no 3rd or 4th round picks due to GM incompetence. I was already scouting lineman in the 2nd round and decided to pass for some skill position players. I saw Muti where the site had him ranked and hoped he would fall to our 5th round pick. Thankfully he did. Muti is an absolute beast. Suffered through an assortment of injuries that have bumped his stock down, but that's where the Bears drafting has actually suceeded in the past with players like Eddie Jackson. Muti is going to serve as some much needed depth in the interior with oft-injured Kyle Long retiring.

196. Brian Cole, S Miss State
Bears lost Clinton-Dix to free agency and didn't replace him. We're going to take Cole here with our first pick of the 6th round. Not a lot of great options at this point in an already weak safety class. Cole has enough to hopefully grab the back up spot to Deon Bush and maybe develop. In the very least, I see him fill Bush's role last year on special teams.

200. Essang Bassey, CB, Wake Forest
Still needing some DB depth we're taking the speedy Bassey. He's undersized but can tackle and is quick. We did sign Artie Burns to compete with Buster Skrine at the spot opposite of Kyle Fuller. Bassey can fill in situationally and on special teams.

226. Kyle Murphy, G Rhode Island
While I would have liked to find an actual good Tackle, we just didn't have the 1st round capital in this draft to get one. (Again due to GM incompetence). So we're going to continue to stuff the interior. Murphy is a perfect depth guy that does have the ability to bounce around. Small school sleeper time here in Round 7. With Cody Whitehair, James Daniels, Netane Muti, and now Murphy, I like our interior line. Tackles? Not so much. Can't stand Bobby Massie & Charles Leno. We brought Ifedi in on a one year deal. Maybe he helps. I doubt it though.

233. Cheyenne O'Grady, TE Arkansas
Our 2nd pick in the 7th round. Time to roll the dice on some talent. O'Grady has had his off the field issues in Arkansas getting suspended 3 different times. His talent is legit. Perhaps he straightens out with veterans like Jimmy Graham & Trey Burton in the Tight End room. If he does, this would be an absolute steal of a pick this late.


Mock #2


43. Josh Jones, OT Houston
Again we were considering either a dynamic RB here or a Tackle. RBs went on an earlier run than previous mock. That let a nice Tackle slide into our laps. Bobbie Massie & Charles Leno are the bane of my existance. So we'll gladly bring in Jones to hopefully takeover for one of them permanently when one gets hurt.

50. Kyle Dugger, S Lenoir Rhyne
Small school alert! This is the typical spot our current regime likes to reach for a small school sleeper. Dugger I think could bump Deon Bush to the bench fairly quickly in his rookie season. Honestly I think these two 2nd round picks would be the absolute perfect best case picks for the Bears.

163. Netane Muti, G Fresno State
Like the first mock, I was going to be happy as a lark if Muti fell to our 5th round pick. He did. So we're taking him. Three picks, 3 potential starters.

196. Jared Pinkney, TE Vanderbilt
6th Round. Tight End is a huge priority this off season. We need to come out of the draft with someone that has the potential to stick. Graham, Burton, and Shaheen are not the healthiest of options. It might be a revolving door at TE depending on who is healthy, but Pinkney looks a lot like peak Burton. Peak Burton hasn't appeared very often, but when he does, the offense clicks. Pinkney can fill that role.

200. Kyle Murphy, G Rhode Island
Took Murphy a little earlier this time to lock him in on the depth chart. The lack of interior help for the Bears is a glaring hole. Again, I like Murphy and think he's a good fit. Plus small school alert. Ryan Pace gets a chub from his small school guys.

226. Reggie Robinson II, CB Tulsa
Instead of reaching for Bassey like the prior mock, we're going to take a little less of a manlet corner. Robinson has protypical size and speed for a corner. Will he be better than Skrine or Burns? Probably not, but maybe eventually. Will Robinson slide to the 7th? Pretty unlikely. But its a fun stash that has the potential to develop into something.

233. Cheyenne O'Grady, TE Arkansas
Like the first mock, if O'Grady is here, he's worth the gamble. If he shows up to rookie camp and OTA's and is acting a fool, than he's an easy early cut. If he has matured, this is an absolute robbery of a pick.

I'd be thrilled if the Bears did any combination of these two mocks. They probably wont though. They'll draft all edge defenders and unathletic wide receivers.

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2020, 03:45:27 AM »
Harley's Mock Draft 1.1 With trades!
1 Cincinnati: QB Joe Burrow (Consensus obvious pick)
2 Washington: DE Chase Young (Consensus obvious pick).
3 Los Angeles Chargers Trade Up: QB Justin Herbert. Rumblings that Miami could prefer Herbert and Detroit can afford to drop down and still get a player they really like whilst adding some picks.
4 New York Giants: OL Tristan Wirfs. They could also go Isaiah Simmons here but I think they know the importance of keeping Jones upright.
5 Miami: QB Tua Tagovailoa. The obvious pick with Herbert off the board.
6 Detroit Trade Down: CB Jeff Okudah. Detroit is ecstatic that they still land the guy they want.
7 Carolina: LB/S Isaiah Simmons. They've lost Luke Kuechly and this guy is an immediate replacement for him. They need help along the DL but this guy has potential DPOY ability as a rookie and would be hard to pass up.
8 New York Jets Trade Up: OT Jedrick Willis. Jets trade up to get a guy who could've been a Top 5 pick in other drafts.
9 Jacksonville: CB CJ Henderson. They could go Derrick Brown here but I think they badly need secondary help more.
10 Atlanta Trade Up: DT Derrick Brown. Dimitroff loves athleticism and he wants a DL that gets after the QB and Brown can be a difference maker for that defense immediately.
11 Arizona: OT Mekhi Becton. Arizona will ask him to slim down a bit to handle their hurry up offense but he's a monster.
12 Las Vegas: WR Henry Ruggs III. I think it comes down to Jeudy or Ruggs here and Ruggs running that 4.27 pushes him over the edge. There are rumblings that Ruggs could legit be the 1st WR selected in the actual NFL Draft too.
13 San Francisco: WR Jerry Jeudy. San Fran locks down a legitimate #1 WR to team up with Deebo Samuel and George Kittle as they try to emulate the Kansas City Chiefs offensive blueprint.
14 Tampa Bay: OT Andrew Thomas. He immediately steps in to protect Brady's blindside while being a really good run blocker too.
15 Denver: WR CeeDee Lamb. Denver needs a WR to team up with Courtland Sutton and they get their man with Lamb. They too seek to emulate the Chiefs blueprint and this is a step in the right direction.
16 Cleveland Trade Down: OT Austin Jackson. Cleveland reaches a little bit here for Jackson but there are rumblings that Jackson could be a legitimate Top 20 pick so this feels like a good pairing.
17 Dallas: WR Denzel Mims. Dallas probably goes defense here in real life but they also need a compliment to Amari Cooper especially with Witten gone at TE.
18 Miami: DT Javon Kinlaw. Miami's surprised but pleased to get this guy here. I don't know if he falls this far in the actual Draft but it could happen.
19 Las Vegas: CB Kristian Fulton. This is about as perfect a draft for Las Vegas as they could hope for with Fulton landing to them.
20 Philadelphia Trade Up: WR Justin Jefferson. Philadelphia locks up a solid WR for their group to give Wentz more weapons. Eagles trade up a spot for fear of Minnesota vulturing a WR.
21 Jacksonville Trade Down: DT Ross Blacklock. Jaguars reach a little for Blacklock but he offers a massive body for the interior that can plug up 2 blockers.
22 Minnesota: WR Laviska Shenault. Vikings get a big bodied WR who plays faster than his Combine run.
23 Tennessee Trade Up: DE K'Lavon Chaisson. Titans add to their pass rush by getting a guy who can play hand down or upright off the edge to pair with Harold Landry.
24 New Orleans: LB Patrick Queen. Saints get a guy who can fly around the field and has enough speed to cover TEs too.
25 Minnesota: DE Yetur Gross-Matos. Vikings get a good pass rusher with upside in a division where they'll need it.
26 Miami: RB Jonathan Taylor. Miami thinks hard about Swift but they prefer the size of Taylor and the fact he ran a sub 4.40 at the Combine.
27 Seattle: S Grant Delpit. Pete loves size in the secondary and Delpit gives him the next Kam Chancellor who is athletic enough to play either Safety spot.
28 Baltimore: LB/S Jeremy Chinn. A perfect fit for Baltimore and a guy who's been generating 1st Round buzz. He could probably bulk up to 230-235 and be a force in the middle.
29 New England Trade Down: C Lloyd Cushenberry. New England lost David Andrews last year and there's rumblings if he can even return. Patriots have been linked to Cushenberry and he fills a need while providing depth to potentially replace Andrews in a year too.
30 Green Bay: LB Kenneth Murray. Packers badly need a presence inside at LB to team up with Preston Smith & Za'Darius Smith on the outside. They could go WR here but I think they'd be more willing to pay a little less in a decently deep class.
31 San Francisco: CB Trevon Diggs. Richard Sherman is getting older and San Francisco needs depth at the CB spot. Diggs can instantly fill in the Nickel or lock up a starting job and help Sherman transition to a Safety role.
32 Kansas City: DE/OLB A.J. Epenesa. Kansas City gets a go hard guy who will probably project to DE for them but gives them much needed depth for a division that seems to be ramping up the offense.

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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2020, 04:10:20 AM »
I know Andrew Thomas is still considered among the big four OT's, but why has he seemingly dropped to the fourth best? Shortly after the season, he seemed to generally be the consensus top OT in most mocks, now some have him falling to Miami's 18th pick. I know Becton and Wirfs particularly had impressive combine performances to shoot up, but was Thomas' that bad?

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Re: 2020 NFL Draft
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2020, 05:55:59 AM »
I know Andrew Thomas is still considered among the big four OT's, but why has he seemingly dropped to the fourth best? Shortly after the season, he seemed to generally be the consensus top OT in most mocks, now some have him falling to Miami's 18th pick. I know Becton and Wirfs particularly had impressive combine performances to shoot up, but was Thomas' that bad?

Wirfs is an athletic freak at 6'5" 320 which kind of vaulted him up to #1 whilst playing under a HC long known for his technique teaching of offensive line. Jedrick Wills is similar as an athletic freak at 6'4" 312 with 10" hands whilst being part of a very, very good team.

Mekhi Becton is just a gigantic monster not too unlike a Jonathan Ogden. He's 6'7" 364 with 35 5'8" Arms and 10 3/4" Hands. If he loses 15-20 pounds, he could probably run under a 5.00 40 which is crazy. He's a bit more raw but his size also gives him a much higher ceiling.

With Thomas, his slower 40 time probably didn't help and despite his size he can get jolted back with the first punch. There's also some questions about his ability to bend (he tends to be much more upright even in his base stance) and maintain his balance consistently to not be on the ground.