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Oscars 2020
« on: January 13, 2020, 12:09:56 AM »
Best Picture
Ford v. Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite

Best Actress
Cynthia Erivo, Harriet
Scarlett Johansson, Marriage Story
Saoirse Ronan, Little Women
Charlize Theron, Bombshell
Renee Zellweger, Judy

Best Actor
Antonio Banderas, Pain and Glory
Leonardo DiCaprio, Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Adam Driver, Marriage Story
Joaquin Phoenix, Joker
Jonathan Pryce, The Two Popes

Best Supporting Actress
Kathy Bates, Richard Jewell
Laura Dern, Marriage Story
Scarlett Johansson, Jojo Rabbit
Florence Pugh, Little Women
Margot Robbie, Bombshell

Best Supporting Actor
Tom Hanks, A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood
Anthony Hopkins, Two Popes
Al Pacino, The Irishman
Joe Pesci, The Irishman
Brad Pitt, Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood

Directing
The Irishman, Martin Scorsese
Joker, Todd Phillips
1917, Sam Mendes
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood, Quentin Tarantino
Parasite, Bong Joon Ho

Film Editing
Ford vs. Ferrari
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Parasite

International Feature Film
Corpus Christi
Honeyland
Les Miserables
Pain and Glory
Parasite

Original Score
Joker
Little Women
Marriage Story
1917
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Original Song
“I Can’t Let You Throw Yourself Away,” Toy Story 4
“I’m Gonna Love Me Again,” Rocketman
“I’m Standing With You,” Breakthrough
“Into the Unknown,” Frozen 2
“Stand Up,” Harriet

Production Design
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
1917
Once
Parasite

Visual Effects
Avengers: Endgame
The Irishman
The Lion King
1917
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Adapted Screenplay
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
The Two Popes

Original Screenplay
Knives Out
Marriage Story
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Parasite

Animated Feature Film
How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
I Lost My Body
Klaus
Missing Link
Toy Story 4

Animated Short Film
Dcera (Daughter)
Hair Love
Kitbull
Memorable
Sister

Live-Action Short Film
Brotherhood
Nefta Football Club
The Neighbors’ Window
Saria
A Sister

Cinematography
The Irishman
Joker
The Lighthouse
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood

Costume Design
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Little Women
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood

Makeup and Hairstyling
Bombshell
Joker
Judy
Maleficent: Mistress of Evil
1917

Documentary Feature
American Factory
The Cave
The Edge of Democracy
For Sama
Honeyland

Documentary Short Subject
In the Absence
Learning to Skateboard in a Warzone (If You’re a Girl)
Life Overtakes Me
St. Louis Superman
Walk Run Cha-Cha

Sound Editing
Ford v. Ferrari
Joker
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Sound Mixing
Ad Astra
Ford v. Ferrari
Joker
1917
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood

For those that have seen Uncut Gems, was Sandler robbed or did he have unfortunate timing with a crowded nominees list? Looking at best actor I can't see how Joaquin doesn't win.

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Re: Oscars 2020
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2020, 12:16:44 AM »
I think he was robbed but Uncut Gems was too weird for normie Oscar voters.

If Joker sweeps major categories then Trump is definitely getting reelected.

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2020, 12:35:01 AM »
A few things:

1.) Normally I would say "Parasite" is a lock for Best Foreign Feature but since it has a real shot at winning Best Picture then I say someone else takes it.
2.) I didn't see "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood" but like isn't that movie about Rogers' life? How is his character getting a supporting nod and not leading? Is this just normal Academy fuckery?
3.) I'm glad Once Upon A Time... got a lot of love. I knew Pitt would probably have gotten a supporting nod but not much beyond that. Happy to be wrong.
4.) Bong Joon Ho is taking Best Director. This is his year.
5.) Frozen 2 not getting a Best Animated Picture nod is the snub of the century, huh?

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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2020, 12:42:50 AM »
A Beautiful Day wasn’t primarily about Mr. Rogers, he was absolutely a supporting role in this movie.  It wasn’t a bio pic.


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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2020, 12:44:09 AM »
Thanks for clarifying. I'm going to try and see it in the coming weeks.

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2020, 12:49:39 AM »
Also, very surprised to see that "The Farewell" got jack shit.

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2020, 01:00:52 AM »
I think they need to cut back to 5 nominees for Best Picture. I'm sure Ford Vs Ferrari is a good if not great movie but does anyone think it actually has any chance of winning?

It seems like a third to half the nominees are like that every year since they bumped it up to 10.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2020, 01:04:41 AM »
Enough people will bitch about their favorite movies not being nominated if they cut back to 5. Better to have more than less even if it's obvious they aren't winning. It's a no-win for the Academy.

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2020, 01:35:27 AM »
I can't believe The Farewell, J-Lo, and Uncut Gems didn't get shit. The rest of the snubs I kind of expected.


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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2020, 01:36:48 AM »
I'll be curious if Pacino and Pesci end up cancelling each other out, leading to Tom Hanks or Brad Pitt winning the Best Supporting Actor award.

Not really surprised Frozen 2 didn't get a nomination, although the artwork was really gorgeous at times. Missing Link seemed far more beloved by critics so I expected that one to make the cut despite audiences greatly preferring Frozen 2.

With all the love 1917 is getting, I could also see Sam Mendes sneaking in and winning Best Director too.

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2020, 01:44:53 AM »
I do also really strongly disagree with some of the nominations for production design. If you think Jojo Rabbit has better production design than the Mr. Rogers movie you need to lay off the weed.


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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2020, 01:52:53 AM »
Shocked that Jlo didn't get nominated. They usual love surprise performances like that and she was actually great. I thought Dr Niro in Irishman and Taron Edgerton in Rocketman were better than Jonathan Pryce too. JoJo Rabbit was mediocre. Don't get the love there. Joker got way too many nominations. Phillips shouldn't be in best director.

I honestly didn't care for Uncut Gems, so I'm fine with the snubs. Killing of a Chinese Bookie is my gambling movie of choice.

I kind of agree about best picture being scaled back to five because there's usually three or so films that do not beling, but they would just nominate the most bland and milquetoast movies over great popular films again. It got changed because movies like The Reader and Frost/Nixon got nominated over The Dark Knight so that would continually happen. Like if The 2015 best picture noms stayed at five, Brooklyn and The Big Short would remain while Fury Road and Room gets snubbed. A five film best picture in 2020 would probably be:

Ford Vs Ferrari
Little Women
JoJo Rabbit
1917
The Irishman

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2020, 01:58:20 AM »
It's just nice to know the guy who directed the GG Allin documentary and Road Trip got an Oscar nod.

J Lo in Hustlers seems like type of performance Oscars normally love . I think that's a bigger surprise than Uncut Gems slight.

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2020, 02:03:23 AM »
Apollo 11 not getting a nom for doc is a surprise too, but they are kind of wonky with their choices usually. Like Won't You Be My Neighbor getting snubbed last year despite being very profitable for a doc and having the critical love too.

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1917 gets best picture, Phoenix gets actor, Zelwegger gets actress over ScarJo for some reason,  Dern gets Supporting Actress, Hanks gets Supporting Actor and Mendes gets Director


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Re: Oscars 2020
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2020, 02:18:49 AM »
Sandler likely goes back to farting on a snare drum now.

Whenever a foreign movie gets nominated for best picture there’s pretty much no reason to have a best foreign category. Least suspense of the show.

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2020, 02:26:52 AM »
South Korea has had some of the best movies of the last twenty years, but the fact that it took until 2020 for a movie from there to get nominated for Foreign Film makes that category a joke.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2020, 02:28:52 AM »
I feel like with streaming and younger generations having less of a problem with subtitles, at least one foreign movie will be nominated in the major categories every year.

I also hope these kinds of movies are released wider in theaters like Parasite was. That movie made quite a bit here.


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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2020, 02:54:48 AM »
Whenever a foreign movie gets nominated for best picture there’s pretty much no reason to have a best foreign category. Least suspense of the show.
Normally I'd agree (despite that seeming like a mildly problematic way to think?) except I think I agree with whoever said since Parasite has a fairly strong chance to win Best Picture, the Academy might give it to something else as a swerve.

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2020, 03:00:45 AM »
Idk Roma had the same scenario last year while being a favorite to win both,  and won Foreign Film while losing Best Picture.

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2020, 03:04:24 AM »
Roma was a Netflix movie though and I think that bias will linger for a while. That's kind of why I'm mildly surprised The Irishman got so many nominations but I'm guessing Scorsese/DeNiro/Pesci's last farewell (probably...hopefully?) overrode their anti streaming bias.

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2020, 03:21:02 AM »
Roma I think would still be nominated in some non foreign categories if not for Netflix. They love Alfonso Cuaron and the scope of that movie appeals to them. They also nominated Cold War for some non Foreign Film categories last year and that wasn't Netflix.

Roma and The Irishman are probably in my top ten for the decade and Marriage Story is also a fantastic film, so this is a bias I can get behind. I think everyone deserves a nom for The Irishman. Pesci especially has stuck with me more than a lot of these nominated performances. I liked the movie, but both Two Popes actors getting nominated strikes me more as being a bit much than The Irishman's nominations.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2020, 03:53:43 AM »
Can't think of a more star studded category than supporting actor here in recent history. Insane really

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2020, 04:19:57 AM »
I know it's reddit, but some person on there had an interesting point that A24 probably didn't campaign enough or put the money up other studios did for their films this year, which led to that studio getting shut out. It's a theory, but it sort of makes sense. The Farewell, Waves, or Uncut Gems are incredibly well regarded and wouldn't be out of place. I'm one of the five people that have seen The Last Black Man In San Francisco and with a stronger push that should've got some love too.The Lighthouse and Midsommar should have a Production design nom at least, but those type of great and interesting films get ignored usually.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2020, 04:25:31 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2020, 04:39:07 AM »
Good on the Academy giving Parasite the love. I figured it was a shoe-in for a foreign film nom, but so much more than that was a shock. I'd love to see Bong win the best director award, but I do think its time where they give Tarantino a best director win just because this was a pretty great piece of work and probably the most Oscar-bait film he's clearly done with homaging a certain period of Tinseltown very well. If he doesn't get the director win, then give him best original screenplay in the least, which I think would be his third win for that?

All these Joker nominations are, really, quite a joke in itself if you ask me, other than the best actor nom which I think he almost has to be a lock to win. But the rest? Get the fuck out. Can you tell I wasn't completely a fan?

Also, Kathy Bates for Richard Jewell is awfully bizzare. There was nothing in her (seemingly very limited screen time) performance in that rings out Oscar bait to me. Seems just like lip service to Bates really.

I think realistically, either Irishman or 1917 (havent seen this yet but heard great things) probably get best picture. JoJo Rabbit in there is very strange, as I didn't see that one getting any nominations to be honest. It was a fun little ditty of a film, but crazy it got this much love.


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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2020, 04:45:19 AM »
Joker should be there for Actor and maybe score. I wasn't that impressed on a technical level and obviously there should be no reason for it to be up for Director and Screenplay. Even the people that loved it point out that the script and directing are the weaker points.

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2020, 05:06:55 AM »
Amen to that.

Also, I get the nom for Theron playing Megan Kelly and all (she did a tremendous job I thought, and the makeup was spot on) but are you kidding with the Margot Robbie nom? I mean at least the film itself didn't get the nom (thank god to that as it was a terribly executed film on stuff that should have been more important to be brought to light) but give me a goddamn break

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2020, 05:22:37 AM »
Best actress seems like a toss up. I have no idea who wins there.

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2020, 06:28:18 AM »
I don't get the Netflix bias talk.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/netflix-oscar-nominations-2020-the-irishman-marriage-story-1203463792/

They served up the Academy the kind of boring and safe picks they would historically make so it wouldn't be surprising to see either one win best picture over something like Parasite; all I learned from the snubs talk is the fact Uncut Gems is considered a Netflix movie.

Another thing that wouldn't surprise me is if Joker cleaned up... Todd Phillips is being weirdly positioned as one of the few "name" directors out there with integrity left



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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2020, 07:17:51 AM »
It's not even that bad compared to 2018. I expected Bombshell to get like 8 noms with Jay Roach getting a nom instead of Bong Joon Ho. The "boring" picks this year are pretty great movies compared to Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody, although I twitch at calling The Irishman a boring and safe movie with the near four hour runtime runtime, downbeat tone, and third act which makes it a harder watch than something like Ford Vs Ferrari. It seemed like a lock with the cast and director pedigree regardless of Netflix unless it was a disaster is what I think you are saying and I agree with that.

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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2020, 07:41:36 AM »
I was thinking more about Marriage Story when talking about boring and safe picks. It's not even meant to be something bad just talking about the way they would pick a winner historically. But I would put Irishman there too as it's Scorsese finally coming to terms with how most people view the mafia nowadays in this era and making his own Sopranos like project around it which makes me laugh as he could never acknowledge why that show worked during the height of it since he held onto his childhood views of what the mafia was for him. 

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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2020, 07:58:43 AM »
The Irishman felt more to me like Marty wanting to make a movie about aging and isolation with a mob backdrop. Tonally and thematically it probably shares more with something like Silence then Goodfellas or Casino or The Sopranos which I can see people not liking.

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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2020, 10:41:00 AM »
The Irishman felt more to me like Marty wanting to make a movie about aging and isolation with a mob backdrop. Tonally and thematically it probably shares more with something like Silence then Goodfellas or Casino or The Sopranos which I can see people not liking.
I couldn't agree more. I also felt it was a further demystification of the mob movie-even more so than "Goodfellas" and "Casino". Unlike those movies, there isn't anything that someone might misconstrue as "cool". It's the tale of a rather pathetic man who becomes a mob hit man and whose entire life is ruined because of it. I thought it was the saddest film I've seen in a while. That or "Marriage Story"

Count me as one of the guys who thought Sandler was robbed. Also, I know it was too weird for the Oscars, but Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson really deserved some nominations. I haven't seen it, but "Jojo Rabbit" is similar to "Joker" in that the people who love it really love it and most of the negative reviews REALLY hated it. Either one winning would infuriate some people.

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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2020, 10:51:15 AM »
The Irishman felt more to me like Marty wanting to make a movie about aging and isolation with a mob backdrop. Tonally and thematically it probably shares more with something like Silence then Goodfellas or Casino or The Sopranos which I can see people not liking.
I couldn't agree more. I also felt it was a further demystification of the mob movie-even more so than "Goodfellas" and "Casino". Unlike those movies, there isn't anything that someone might misconstrue as "cool". It's the tale of a rather pathetic man who becomes a mob hit man and whose entire life is ruined because of it. I thought it was the saddest film I've seen in a while. That or "Marriage Story"

Count me as one of the guys who thought Sandler was robbed. Also, I know it was too weird for the Oscars, but Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson really deserved some nominations. I haven't seen it, but "Jojo Rabbit" is similar to "Joker" in that the people who love it really love it and most of the negative reviews REALLY hated it. Either one winning would infuriate some people.

I think one of the big reasons people romanticize mob films is the natural charisma of the leads. I.E. DeNiro. Pacino, Pesci. Keitel. Marty has always said he was just striving for realism in his films. He just grew up around the crime world when he was a kid. So I mean i don't think he's intentionally trying to make mob characters likeable it was just the actors he hired to play them had buckets of charm and charisma. People romanized Tony Soprano, etc,

Oh and I've seen people inside showbiz romanticize these films and characters

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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2020, 11:07:36 AM »
I do predictions every year (and bomb miserably) but I nailed Best Actress perfectly which was a bit of a coup, not picking Awkwafina (won at the Globes) and sticking with Erivo even though that movie wasn't beloved. I didn't have J.Lo getting nommed. I can't believe anyone fell for that. Reminded me of when people though Madonna could win an Oscar for Evita but then she didn't even get nommed for the Oscar. It's actually worse than a Madonna/Evita situation because at least Madonna WON the globe (beat Glenn Close, Meryl, Barbra Streisand and eventual winner Frances McDormand). Once J.Lo lost the globe I knew the buzz must have been ice cold in Hollywood. I didn't see Kathy Bates though. Scarlett being nommed for Actress AND Supporting probably hurts her chances of winning either. To be fair, I think Actress and Supporting Actress are both locks this year (Renee and Dern) but the male categories are toss-ups. I expect Pitt to win but Actor could go a few ways. Best Picture could go a few different ways. I've had Once Upon a Time from day one but 1917 is creeping up. Parasite is a personal favorite though.

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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2020, 12:12:19 PM »
The Irishman felt more to me like Marty wanting to make a movie about aging and isolation with a mob backdrop. Tonally and thematically it probably shares more with something like Silence then Goodfellas or Casino or The Sopranos which I can see people not liking.
I couldn't agree more. I also felt it was a further demystification of the mob movie-even more so than "Goodfellas" and "Casino". Unlike those movies, there isn't anything that someone might misconstrue as "cool". It's the tale of a rather pathetic man who becomes a mob hit man and whose entire life is ruined because of it. I thought it was the saddest film I've seen in a while. That or "Marriage Story"

Count me as one of the guys who thought Sandler was robbed. Also, I know it was too weird for the Oscars, but Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson really deserved some nominations. I haven't seen it, but "Jojo Rabbit" is similar to "Joker" in that the people who love it really love it and most of the negative reviews REALLY hated it. Either one winning would infuriate some people.

I think one of the big reasons people romanticize mob films is the natural charisma of the leads. I.E. DeNiro. Pacino, Pesci. Keitel. Marty has always said he was just striving for realism in his films. He just grew up around the crime world when he was a kid. So I mean i don't think he's intentionally trying to make mob characters likeable it was just the actors he hired to play them had buckets of charm and charisma. People romanized Tony Soprano, etc,

Oh and I've seen people inside showbiz romanticize these films and characters

It is fun to be the bad guy, at least if they are charismatic and entertaining enough.  It is why many people cheer wrestling heels.  It is the escapism.  Fiction doesn't have to deal with the real life consequences such people would bring.

Also, sometimes people seem to miss the message in some of these films.  A lot of people started romancing the mafia after watching The Godfather movies while missing the fact that Michael Corleone was pretty miserable throughout the entire thing and loses everything he ever cared about.

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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2020, 12:40:39 PM »
Yeah and in the prologues of Goodfellas and Casino the main characters specifically point out in narration that they had it all and then lost it all in the end

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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2020, 03:02:22 PM »
So, the Best Documentary Feature nominee “American Factory” is directed by two professors from the film department at my alma mater Wright State University, and is about a Chinese glass manufactuer that opened a plant in the former site of a GM plant here in Dayton (which itself was the subject of a short subject documentary nominee a few years ago by the same filmmakers).

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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2020, 01:09:11 PM »
...and the Obamas produced it, and I think they will get an Oscar if it wins, which it currently is the heavy favourite to. Trump yearned for an Emmy that he never came close to, meanwhile Obama is boutta win an Oscar. heh

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Re: Oscars 2020
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2020, 07:24:50 AM »
Having watched all the best picture nominees, this is one of the stronger fields in a while. Only two movies I was eh on with five movies I really loved. Here's how I'd rank them:

The Irishman
Parasite
Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
1917
Little Women
Ford Vs Ferrari
Joker
JoJo Rabbit