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« on: October 06, 2009, 05:03:09 AM »
Inspired by ESPN’s anniversary, ESPN Films’ 30 for 30 is an unprecedented documentary series featuring thirty films from some of today’s finest storytellers. Each filmmaker will bring their passion and personal point of view to their film detailing the issues, trends, athletes, teams, rivalries, games and events that transformed the sports landscape from 1979 to 2009.

Here is the full schedule:

Kings Ransom by Peter Berg Tuesday Oct 6 8pm ESPN (Wayne Gretzky trade to LA)

The Band That Wouldn't Die by Barry Levinson Tuesday Oct 13 8pm ESPN (Baltimore Colts move to Indy)

Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL? by Mike Tollin Tuesday Oct 20 8pm ESPN (USFL)

Muhammad and Larry by Albert Maysles Tuesday Oct 27 8pm ESPN (Ali and Larry Holmes fight)

Without Bias by Kirk Fraser Tuesday Nov 3 8pm ESPN (Len Bias)

The Legend of Jimmy The Greek by Fritz Mitchell Tuesday Nov 10 8pm ESPN (CBS Sports Analyst Jimmy The Greek)

The U by Billy Corben Saturday Dec 12 9pm ESPN (Miami Hurricanes football team)

Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs. The New York Knicks by Dan Klores Sunday Mar 14 9pm ESPN (Title says it all)

And that's their schedule so far. But here are the other films with no schedule date  yet.

Guru of Go by Bill Couturie (Paul Westhead)

No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson by Steve James (Allen Iverson and friends trial after a fight in 93)

Into the Wind by Steve Nash (Terry Fox)

Jordan Rides the Bus by Ron Shelton (Michael Jordan tries baseball)

Charismatic by Asylum Entertainment (Charismatic's try for the Triple Crown)

One Simple Gesture by Cliff Bestall and Produced by Morgan Freeman and Lori McCreary (Rugby in South Africa)

The Two Escobars by Jeff Zimbalist (The Columbian goalie getting killed after own goal vs the US)

June 17, 1994 by Brett Morgen (OJ and the Bronco)

Birth of Big Air by Jeff Tremaine and Produced by Johnny Knoxville and Spike Jonze (Mat Hoffman)

Silly Little Game by Adam Kurland and Lucas Jansen (Origin of Fantasy Sports)

Steve Bartman: Catching Hell by Alex Gibney (Steve Bartman)

Unmatched by Lisa Lax, Nancy Stern with Hannah Storm (Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova)

One Night in Vegas by Reggie Rock Bythewood (Tyson's first title win)

Marion Jones: Press Pause by John Singleton (Marion Jones steroid stuff)

Straight Outta L.A. by Ice Cube (Raiders move from LA to Oakland)

The Steinbrenner Family Business by Barbara Kopple (The Steinbrenners)

Right To Play by Frank Marshall (Johann Olav Koss the speed skater)

The Best That Never Was by Jonathan Hock (Marcus Dupree)

That is all they have said they are making, but I am pretty sure there is a 2004 Red Sox one coming as well. I mean, what else was a bigger story in 2004?



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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 05:06:36 AM »
This is crazy, but I think I'm going to watch all of those.

The Two Escobars? YESSSSS!

As for the Sox in 2004, everyone is completely shitted out on that, it's over-covered and I don't think another documentary surrounding that warrants airing.


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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 05:07:21 AM »
"Jordan Rides the Bus by Ron Shelton (Michael Jordan tries baseball)"

Well...the man did direct the best baseball comedy ever.  This should provide a perfect follow up.

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 05:50:02 AM »
Shelton actually played minor league ball as well, so he has good perspective on it.

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 05:53:18 AM »
Correction; One Night in Vegas is about the Mike Tyson-Bruce Seldon fight where Mike Tyson won back the title after getting out of prison and it was also the fight that Tupac was at before he got shot.

Besides, he won his first title in Atlantic City! *readjusts glasses*

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 05:55:30 AM »
These actually look good. I'll make sure to catch these.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 06:24:06 AM »
Simmons did an interview with Alan Sepinwall recently where he said he had the idea of doing a documentary of Games 4-7 of the 2004 ALCS through the eyes of the players, but it looks like it's not going to happen.

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June 17, 1994 by Brett Morgen (OJ and the Bronco)

From what I've read, this is supposed to have an interesting angle, as there were about 8-10 big things that happened on that day, including the OJ chase, the Rangers' Stanley Cup parade and Game 5 of the Knicks-Rockets series.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 07:00:09 AM »
Wasn't the World Cup going on at that time as well?

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 07:01:40 AM »
Wasn't the World Cup going on at that time as well?

Yes. In fact, June 17 was the day the tournament started.

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2009, 07:23:12 AM »
There are a lot of people out there that think Tyson/Seldon featured a dive on the part of big ol' Bruce. Also this was the second belt he had won since getting out of prison, not the first. He dropped the WBC belt after beating Frank Bruno because Lennox Lewis wasn't a palatable option for big bucks. Look how that turned out later. For some godforsaken reason Seldon is still fighting so I hope the documentary touches on that. This is gonna be a hell of a series.

Mike Tyson vs Bruce Seldon KO (1996) FULL and HQ

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2009, 07:30:42 AM »
Totally forgot about the Frank Bruno rematch.

Yeah, that does look fishy. I'm not sure if it was a dive so much as Bruce Seldon being scared shitless of Iron Mike (even in '96, he still had the shitkicker mystique) and just not wanting to get pummeled.

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 07:48:06 AM »
As for the Sox in 2004, everyone is completely shitted out on that, it's over-covered and I don't think another documentary surrounding that warrants airing.

In the 30for30 trailer, they show the Sox. I'm sure they will do some sort of angle on it.

http://30for30.espn.com/

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 11:53:24 AM »
Peter Berg is one of my favourite directors, so I'm looking forward to this

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 11:55:11 AM »
Peter Berg is one of your favorite directors?

Hancock Peter Berg?

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2009, 12:16:14 PM »
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2009, 12:23:30 PM »
The Gretzky one kicked ass. Looking forward to the next 2, been reading about the USFL lately and of course the Colts moving is something I'd be interested in watching.

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2009, 12:24:32 PM »
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better

Knowing this makes me have to rethink all of your reviews and recommendations.

It's not quite as bad as someone telling me that Ransom or the Patriot are good movies...but it's close.  Or Van Helsing or the first and third Spiderman movies for that matter.

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2009, 12:50:02 PM »
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better

Knowing this makes me have to rethink all of your reviews and recommendations.

It's not quite as bad as someone telling me that Ransom or the Patriot are good movies...but it's close.  Or Van Helsing or the first and third Spiderman movies for that matter.


The first Spiderman was really good though.

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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2009, 12:52:12 PM »
No.  No it really wasn't.  There were so so many things wrong with that movie.  The pinnacle being reached with the rooftop conversation between Spiderman and Goblin with closeups on their faces for the ridiculously dramatic dialogue...despite the fact that you could seen neither facial expressions nor mouths moving through their masks.

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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2009, 12:53:32 PM »
Yes.

My friend and I are the only two people on the planet who loved Hancock. Given the restrictions Berg had to deal with, I thought he did a great job, though I feel had they let them done the movie it was supposed to be, it would've been a lot better

Knowing this makes me have to rethink all of your reviews and recommendations.

It's not quite as bad as someone telling me that Ransom or the Patriot are good movies...but it's close.  Or Van Helsing or the first and third Spiderman movies for that matter.

I had Hancock ranked 25th for 08. (Out of 119 movies) I did have issues with it, and I think the version Berg and Smith intended to make would've been ruled, but I thought it was a fun popcorn movie, and Berg was able to put his stamp on it.

I like the first Spider-Man movie, and the third, well, I tried to justify it

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2009, 07:04:52 AM »
Berg did Friday Night Lights. Nuff said.

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2009, 11:30:43 AM »
Any torrents for this available yet?  Haven't been able to find one, I figured it would be up quickly.

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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2009, 11:04:45 AM »
Have you been able to find a torrent yet?

The Colts one is on now. FUCK THE COLTS.

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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2009, 11:45:51 AM »
No, but it did go up on YouTube.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2009, 11:23:56 AM »
Documentary on the USFL now, this interests me a lot. Was reading about USFL on wiki a few weeks ago so nice to see it on TV.

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2009, 04:12:18 PM »
Without Bias is the best one of this series so far.  His death really did affect a lot of things, including the Celtics franchise because they had such a perfect situation with drafting such an elite player right after winning the championship.  

I call bullshit on the "he never tried drugs until that night" claim only because it's college and how prevalent cocaine use was in those days.

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2009, 04:40:41 PM »
Well it seems like at least two of his teammates debunked that myth as well. Only caught the first 35 minutes, but it was great stuff. I give a lot of credit to Mom and Pops. Their insight made that piece.


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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2009, 08:09:08 PM »
That was the best one yet. I haven't seen the boxing one since I am not interested in boxing at all, but I'll go
1. Bias
2. USFL
3. Colts
4. Gretzky

Interesting that 2 of the 4 have to do with Maryland and the Baltimore Stars won a USFL title.. hey a CFL documentary about how they tried to expand to America would kick ass.

But yeah, this was a great piece. I didn't know Boston had won the title and still had the #2 pick. I figured they were in their down years and drafted Bias as a way to get back to greatness and when he died, the franchise fell apart.

The Celtics said they drug tested him and he passed (also admitting they'd probably have signed him even if he failed, so not like they have a reason to lie now) and no one saw him do drugs before that night. He reacted quite badly to the cocaine he took that night so it's entirely possible he had never tried it before. The police said it was pure cocaine, too.

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« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2009, 11:59:33 PM »
The fact that it was pure cocaine was likely what did him in.  It was too strong.

As someone with an interest in sports betting, the Jimmy the Greek doc next week should be tremendous.  It's the first one I'll actually get to see as it airs.

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2009, 06:05:54 AM »
Yeah, how the fuck did Red pull off getting the #2 pick that year anyway?

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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2009, 08:31:58 AM »
He traded Gerald Henderson in 1984 for Seattle's top pick in 1988 apparently.

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2009, 08:37:59 AM »
In the pre-salary cap era draft picks were passed around more than a hooker at a bachelor party.  It wasn't uncommon for picks to be traded two, three or for times years before the draft even occurred.

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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2009, 09:01:45 AM »
Muhammad and Larry was my second favorite. Really sad stuff that unfortunately is swept under the rug when people speak about the legacy of Ali.


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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2010, 02:22:49 PM »
Anybody watch tonight's episode? I thought it was one of the strongest yet even if the last 10 minutes felt incredibly rushed. Why not just use up the whole ninety minutes and talk more about the '99 Eastern Conference Finals? All around though, I liked it a lot. I thought there was no way you could make those Pacers-Knicks series' as interesting as they did.

Oddly, they don't begin airing more episodes until April for some reason. Next batch is The Trial of Allen Iverson doc by the director of Hoops Dreams (should be really good), the documentary on the creation of rotisserie leagues, the Ricky Williams documentary (also really looking forward to that), Morgran Freeman's doc on the South African rugby team, and Ice Cube's documentary on The Raiders (aw shit) .

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« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2010, 02:26:00 PM »
I watched the first half, and it brought back a lot of fond memories, but made me so angry. I forgot how much I despised Reggie Miller and John Starks.

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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2010, 02:29:00 PM »
I watched it and liked it.   It reminded me how much of a racist pile of shit spike lee is.

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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2010, 03:38:23 PM »
So far my favorite was The U.  I just hope the 4-letter releases these on disc, because there are several I want.

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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2010, 05:10:20 PM »
They are releasing it, not sure as a set though, but there were commercials promoting the sales of the ones already aired.


What was with the Spike Lee racist comment?

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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2010, 05:40:42 PM »
Spike Lee was talking about going to Indiana for the '94 Eastern Conference Finals and the hostility that he received there and joked about how they probably would have lynched him if they could have. He also pointed out that The Ku Klux Klan (well to be technical, the second, modern iteration of the group born after Birth of A Nation) was founded there. Cowboy Numbers is from Indiana and hence doesn't like being called a racist.

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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2010, 05:51:04 PM »
Spike Lee was talking about going to Indiana for the '94 Eastern Conference Finals and the hostility that he received there and joked about how they probably would have lynched him if they could have. He also pointed out that The Ku Klux Klan (well to be technical, the second, modern iteration of the group born after Birth of A Nation) was founded there. Cowboy Numbers is from Indiana and hence doesn't like being called a racist.


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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2010, 05:55:11 PM »
That shot of two Pacers fans wearing upside down pennants on their head so they sort of looked like Klan hoods didn't really hurt Spike's argument.

Another valuable lesson I learned from the doc: Indianapolis=Nap City.

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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2010, 06:23:46 PM »
That shot of two Pacers fans wearing upside down pennants on their head so they sort of looked like Klan hoods didn't really hurt Spike's argument.

Another valuable lesson I learned from the doc: Indianapolis=Nap City.

Eh.


and it's usually referred to as "Naptown"  but I like to call it the "Circle City"

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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2010, 06:41:44 PM »
Muhammad and Larry was my second favorite. Really sad stuff that unfortunately is swept under the rug when people speak about the legacy of Ali.

What did you mean by this?

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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2010, 11:02:45 PM »
Anybody watch tonight's episode? I thought it was one of the strongest yet even if the last 10 minutes felt incredibly rushed. Why not just use up the whole ninety minutes and talk more about the '99 Eastern Conference Finals?

Because then they would have had to brought up the Pacers beating the Knicks in '98 and 2000. The Larry Johnson thing was added on at the end because the director is a Knick fan.

The film was about the two spectacular moments Reggie Miller had against the Knicks.

Since Reggie Miller was my favorite player I loved the film. I went to the local mini mall and bought my Reggie jersey as soon as the final horn went off in the "8 points in 8 seconds" game.

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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2010, 11:25:08 AM »
So far the first half hour of the Iverson episode has been outstanding.


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« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2010, 04:20:03 PM »
The Iverson ep was good. I have a feeling at 40 for 40 time, Iverson from 96 on will make for must see viewing too.


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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2010, 10:57:29 PM »
Any reaction to The 16th Man?  I had heard it was supposed to be way better than Invictus, although that wouldn't be saying a lot.

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« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2010, 03:30:15 AM »
It was the exact same thing as Invictus. I don't even know why they bothered

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« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2010, 03:51:11 AM »
It was the exact same thing as Invictus. I don't even know why they bothered

Which felt like a pointless movie to begin with.

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« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2010, 12:31:16 PM »
It was the exact same thing as Invictus. I don't even know why they bothered

Which felt like a pointless movie to begin with.

You take that back!
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