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« on: January 22, 2010, 04:29:18 PM »
Hey, Justine Henin is back. That owns. Justine Henin owns.

Talk about tennis ITT.

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 04:36:36 PM »
I hate Henin, her herp covered mouth and her low-hanging nipples.

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2010, 04:44:23 PM »
Only thing I'm hoping for is Federer winning the Grand Slam. Ain't gonna happen though.

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2010, 04:44:29 PM »
I hate Henin

You're a goddamn idiot.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2010, 04:52:18 PM »


Look at that cot damned one handed backhand slice. Perfect form! Perfect execution! So graceful. So elegant. So...beautiful.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2010, 04:52:58 PM »
So what was Byron's password?

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2010, 04:59:35 PM »
I hate Henin

You're a goddamn idiot.

Don't be hatin' just cause your girl struggled with the WTA's version of Miranda Hart.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2010, 05:00:19 PM »
So what was Byron's password?

What are you implying

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2010, 05:09:12 PM »
Guess what......I was Leena all along

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2010, 05:09:40 PM »
j/k...please don't ban me......

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2010, 05:26:32 PM »
I hate Henin

You're a goddamn idiot.

Don't be hatin' just cause your girl struggled with the WTA's version of Miranda Hart.

Laugh now, because you'll be crying once she sweeps the Grand Slam.

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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 05:35:37 PM »
The women's game is pretty much made for laughing at.

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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 05:49:39 PM »
That was true up until a few weeks ago, since it was just a bunch of #2s battling amongst each other. But now Justine is back and order will soon be restored to women's tennis and the Williamses and Jankovic and Sharapova and Ivonovic and Safina can go back to being the foils and supporting players they were always meant to be.

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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2010, 05:57:21 PM »
No, I just meant that it sucks to watch compared to the men's game, so most of the entertainment comes from watching the girls hit unforced errors and listening to Shriver call every other player a fat cow.

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2010, 01:55:30 AM »
Byron, you watch the WNBA too?


I can't believe a guy can be that big, and jump around like he does what a great athlete!

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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2010, 07:52:24 PM »
Cilic beat del Potro. Wildness. Well, so long as either he or Gonzo beat Bald Andy, I won't be too upset with it.

EDIT: Jesus, they really laid it on thick with this latest video package for Roddick. "With the way he handled himself after the [Wimbledon] loss, he gained a new found respect amongst the tennis community."



"YOU WON FIVE TIMES ALREADY!"

Well, I guess he gets credit for not breaking his racquet over Federer's head.

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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2010, 03:13:28 AM »
So you're into combat sports and tennis, Lei Tong? That's fine, I just find it...odd.

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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2010, 04:27:54 AM »
I soured on most other stick & ball sports as a kid, plus tennis plays into my international tastes.

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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2010, 09:17:08 PM »
So, the entire announce team has been pretty insufferable for this tournament, with their complete overstating of Davydenko's chances to beat Federer and make thr semifinals being a prime example. Just because the Russian plays hard at these smaller, best-of-three tournaments, they somehow overlooked YEARS of history and decided that not only is this the year he makes it past the quarterfinals in Melbourne, but that he beats Fed to do so. After an entire week of listening to this, Davydenko played Verdasco tonight, and the pair played like a couple of holes, with Davydenko pulling out a close 5 setter thanks in large part to Verdasco hitting TWENTY double-faults and generally moving around with the grace of a cow. What made it even better were the audible groans of Gilbert & Drysdale as they realized that they had crossed the point-of-no-return with their Davydenko nonsense whilst he and Fernando sent another groundstroke sailing off court.

So Gilbert, Cahill & company's response to the realization that Davydenko is a skinny, wimpy bastard?

"Well, I guess Federer might beat him because he's tired now."

Fuck these people.

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2010, 10:30:55 PM »
Lleyton Hewitt failing at the Australian Open is always one of my early year sporting highlights, he got lucky facing an injured Baghdatis but fortunately i can always count on Federer to crush him easily.

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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2010, 05:28:44 AM »
The Tsonga match was pretty entertaining to watch, even though it pointed out Tsonga's uncanny ability to go brain dead at the worst possible times..
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2010, 05:40:49 AM »
I like watching Sharapova play. I think she had 70 unforced errors in her last match. It's a good blend of hotness and comedy.

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2010, 02:28:21 PM »
She's not that hot anymore... maybe a couple of years ago, but now she looks burned out and emotionless.
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2010, 02:44:57 PM »
Well, at least Sharapova has actually done something in her career, unlike Kournikova.

Besides, I was digging the new Russian named Kirilenko.  She just lost to Zheng.  At least I think that's what her opponent's name is.

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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2010, 06:00:57 PM »
YES! Go home and fondle your one slam title, Andy.

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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2010, 10:01:54 AM »
Roddick has talent, but its obvious that he doesn;t have the mental toughness to win most of the time, unless he is facing someone just outside the top ten. He just can't put it together.
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2010, 02:24:22 PM »
I think his biggest problem is not so much a lack of mental toughness, but rather that he has no concept of strategy. It shows in his general lack of footwork, as he rarely bothers moving around the ball to set-up strokes towards an opponent's weak side, and also his seemingly random attempts to volley. It doesn't help that he doesn't chase balls down as much as he could, nor that his backhand is still relatively weak, but those alone aren't what's holding him back.


Oddly enough, Cilic might just beat Murray, which would end up making the other semi-final the de facto championship match, as I think Fed, Tsonga or Djokovic stomp him in the finals.

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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2010, 07:52:05 AM »
Tsonga knocking out Djokovic. Next up for him is against Roger Federer

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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2010, 03:49:53 PM »
Im hoping we get Serena-Henin in the finals on the womens side, so Serena can stomp her for Roland Garros all those years ago.

J-W Tsonga v. Fed will be interesting, I think JW can keep Federer on his toes with his power game for the first set and a half, but I see Roger pulling away.

Lei, the Roddick description you put out is about as spot on as possible, Roddick gets a pass from me if-when he loses to Fed & Rafa (07-09), but if his head is on straight he should be in the semis and sniffing a Championship every time.

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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2010, 04:21:35 PM »
Only to run into the Swiss and Spanish buzzsaws, unless they get knocked out early by some twist of fate.

If either one of them advance, Roddick is going to get rolled. Its sadly predictable. Andy's greatest chance was at Wimbledon, and he crumbled. Unless he complete retools his game, and I just can't see who can do that for him. I think its mental at this point.

And if Serena doesn't get it together, Henin will beat her soundly, though I do want Serena to curbstomp her in straight sets, zero and zero. Do I think that's going to happen? No.
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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2010, 04:26:20 PM »
Im hoping we get Serena-Henin in the finals on the womens side, so Serena can stomp her for Roland Garros all those years ago.

No.

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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2010, 04:30:42 AM »
Meh. I don't buy the whole "Roddick would be so much more successful if Fed & Nadal weren't around" line of thinking. Has he been unlucky enough to face Fed more than most guys? Yes. But a couple of points should be considered:

1) It's not just Fed that has bounced this guy from slams. Guys like Baghdatis, Cilic, even fucking Tipsarevic have managed to eliminated him from these tournaments, nevermind the likes of Fed, Nadal, Djokovic, etc.

2) Considering the above fact, without Federer and/or Nadal, the seeding of every major over the past 7 years or so gets completely messed up, and who knows who Roddick faces then?  Who's to say he doesn't get beaten by someone from the half of the field he didn't play on, or that Federer bounced himself?

3) If ANYONE has the argument to be made that they might be even more successful minus one player, it's Federer, ironically enough. If he's not playing at the same time as a prime Nadal, who is arguably the greatest clay court player of all-time, he'd conceivably have a handful of French Open titles (and possibly some seasonal sweeps of the majors), because NO ONE ELSE beats Federer at Roland Garros since '05. Hell, Nadal's the only guy to beat him at Wimbledon since '03. That's insane.

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« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2010, 10:03:01 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I think Roddick would only be around 3 -5 Majors, but that would certainly put him on that next tier of great tennis players. I actually think his best tennis in a Slam was the '07 US Open when he lost to Federer in the Semi's. I think he had some ungodly amount of 1st Serves in (I believe is was 82% thru the first two sets).

I would tend to agree with your argument that the most majors lost was Federer because most people consider him the 3rd Greatest Clay Court player of all-time.

It is interesting to think how the careers of Davydenko and Djoker would be different right now without Federer. I thought Djokovic was ready to make that leap after the '08 AO, especially after his '07 Major runs.

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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2010, 06:43:26 PM »
Blowing and swallowing Federer must be the closest one could get to tasting and swallowing perfection.

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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2010, 08:30:26 PM »
It's true, Fed is the illest. I'll not bother with the Fed/Laver debate, but it's pretty safe to say that we as tennis fans are witnessing one of the truly special kind of athletes in Roger.

Anyway, Federer just got done putting it Tsonga's butt, 6-2,6-3,6-2. Tsonga was definitely off his game, though, looking hampered by both abdominal issues and just a general inability to get any rhythm going. It's unfortunate, as I think the pressure is really building to start delivering on the hopes people have for him. He's already older than "next-gen" guys like Murray, Djokovic & del Potro, but hasn't had the same level of success as them. Plus, he's already had a string of injuries, and being a relatively big guy playing the physical style that he does, they're not going to get any easier with age.

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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2010, 02:48:15 AM »
Agreed. If he got into any kind of rhythm with his serve, he might have gone to a tiebreak in each set, but Federer is just too good. And you can't even hate the guy. If he was an asshole of some sort it would be easy, but by all accounts he's a good guy.

It has always killed me that tennis is such a grind, a guy in his late 20 is considered old. Makes what Agassi did well into his 30s more amazing by comparison.
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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2010, 12:43:31 PM »
Well, good technique helps. Right now, there's a ton of guys destroying their bodies playing like coked up Michael Changs, running down balls like madmen, taking giant hacks with their ground strokes and lunging for stick saves. Comparatively, someone like Fed actually use proper footwork and anticipates shots.

My friend brought up the fact that Federer is able to dominate so many elite players while refuting to any categorical superlatives:

- He has a high first serve percentage and nails plenty of aces with a serve that rarely breaks 125mph.
- He possesses one of the game's best forehands and hits tons of winners, without the smashing power of a del Potro, Gonzo, etc.
- He's an excellent mover, but his foot speed doesn't nearly match most of game's best counterpunchers like Nadal, Djokovic, etc.

Sports fans in general are more likely to be enamored by displays of physical prowess than superb technique, and thus there always seems to be something of a jolt to commentators and the like when a physically unassuming technician like Fed beats superior athletes on court.


On his personality: I love the guy (obviously), but while widely respected, he's never been the most well-liked player. He's known to keep a relatively "professional" attitude towards most other players, and for whatever reason, any bit of semi-harsh straight shooting (eg- mentioning that he MIGHT just be more talented than other players) rubs people like McKendry the wrong way, nevermind that everyone except Johnny Mac seem eager for anyone to take him out.

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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2010, 02:38:44 PM »
Well, Johnny Mac comes from an era where there were several really dominant players, and until Lendl went on his run, you could sit down and watch a tournament, and you didn't think a final was a forgone conclusion between one or two players.... it was more like five to seven. He's been railing for years about there needs to be more personality in tennis, even though he was one of the catalysts for why personality got legislated out of tennis.

And while I agree with you about your take about Fed, it was the same thing when the Williams sisters were running roughshod over everyone and women's tennis was boring, despite Martina Hingis' thinly veiled insults flung their way. Men's tennis has been boring for awhile, and a mildly robotic Fed is not what the sport needs, even though the man is amazing to watch from a purely technical standpoint.

Another point is that most of the American commentators and fans have been waiting for an American to rise up and take over men's tennis and put those dirty European countries back in their place. Remember Justin Gimelstob, and how he was given the crown prematurely? Mardy Fish was getting that push for a little while until it was obvious that he wasn;t good enough to beat Fed and Nadal on a regular basis. James Blake had that put on him too for a minute. That's also the reason why people got so behind Roddick when Connors was coaching him. Most American fans want it how it was when McEnroe and Connors (and to a much lesser extent Arthur Ashe) were beating everyone in the world with regularity in the 70s and early 80s.
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2010, 03:22:34 PM »
I don't find Fed & Nadal's run of dominance boring, but then again, I also wouldn't mind BJ Penn running the lightweight division until he retires, either.

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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2010, 05:26:20 PM »
I think another underrated (how is any part of his game UNDERrated?) part of Federer's game are his backhands. He uses it as a defensive shot about 80 percent of the time, but just gets that perfect amount of spin and depth that rarely can an opponent make an aggressive winner level shot off of it.

Everybody enjoy the Finals, apparently the wife decided it would be best if we would pay our cable bills when we feel like it  >:(


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« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2010, 04:28:47 AM »
Laugh now, because you'll be crying once she sweeps the Grand Slam.

Not quite.

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« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2010, 10:54:18 AM »
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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2010, 03:18:34 PM »
That new aggressive style of play of Justine's is not going to get it done against someone who can regularly crack 120 MPH on the first serve like Serena or Venus, and can easily match her power. That, and Justine is only 5'5". There is only so much power she can generate, and its not quite enough. She can;t rely upon it, but I understand why she changed her game so radically. Its Michael Chang Syndrome. At some point in their career, highly mobile/scrambling players get sick and tired of running down every ball, and they try and develop a power serve. It never works in the long term.

Good run for Justine, though. That match went about they way I thought it would, even if I was rooting for Serena to bury her. If she can get her service game more stable, she will truly be dangerous.
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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2010, 09:28:42 PM »
Fed wins his 4th Aussie, 16th major overall, 6-3, 6-4, 7-6 (13-11). He largely whooped on Murray early, as Andy's forehand was weak and his first serve nowhere to be found. However, he made a good comeback in the third, taking more risks and getting an early break, and Fed started to look a bit complacent. The tie-break produced some great tennis, with some great volleying and passing shots from both guys, but Fed does as he usually does, and now gets to throw another title into the Scrooge McDuck-esque vault.

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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2010, 09:43:38 PM »
Murray doesn't look like he's taking this too well. Anyone interested in starting a pool on which player decks Fed if he keeps winning majors?

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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2010, 07:50:59 AM »
I didn't doubt that he would take it badly, considering he has the expectations of an entire nation on his shoulders.... Those expectations practically killed Tim Henman's career, so Andy is next in line to shoulder that burden.
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« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2010, 04:00:33 AM »
Murray doesn't look like he's taking this too well. Anyone interested in starting a pool on which player decks Fed if he keeps winning majors?

I've never been a fan Fed, and when he made that back-handed compliment towards Murray, I was hoping he'd punch him in the face. I'm only wishing that the press finds out that Tiger's next mistress is Fed. That would make my day.
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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2010, 04:42:04 AM »
So anyone else watching the French? There's already been some high-profile implosions (Safina, Monfils), but the top seeds on both the men's and women's sides playing mostly as they should makes Federer/Nadal & Williams/Williams look like probable finals.

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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2010, 01:11:24 PM »
lol Roddick.

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« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2010, 09:27:36 AM »
Murray & Tsonga continue the tradition of flakiness with first week exits. Venus was bounced by half of the Big Babe Smash Unit, but then it was ridiculous for her to be seeded so high in the first place, just like with Bald Andy.