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I was pontificating earlier on Greek pizza Not a pizza with feta cheese, olives and gyro meat on top but the style of pizza that seems oh so popular in Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont, AKA places where there aren't many Italian Americans so the Greeks take their place. Best way I could describe it is heavy on the oil, heavy on the cheese, thickass crust, and almost disconcertingly sweet sauce (I've heard a lot of these places pull a Marvin and add cinnamon to the sauce) . I like it mostly because I was raised with it but I don't think I've met anybody outside of the area (except the JN News types I know) who isn't kind of grossed out by it. It's basically what would happen if you tried to make Pizza Hut at your house except even more oily! Hard to believe but true. I'm not going to claim it's best of the best and it's kind of an acquired taste but it's a real guilty pleasure.

Anyways, this is a place to rep, discuss, and debate your favorite and least favorite pies. Which places have gotten or lost their game faces, etc. I guess the people who aren't completely fucking lazy like me can post recipes.

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Pizza used to my favorite food of all time. I have so much envy for people who live in NYC, Chicago, or Florida. That is some of the best pizza that I have tasted in my life. Unfortunately, living in TN, there are not many pizza places around here so you're reduced to eating at places like Pizza Hut, Little Caesars, etc. or not eating pizza at all (which I have sadly had to do). There are a few good pizza places though - Big Ed's and Elidios - but they are to far out for me to drive to.

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Pizza used to my favorite food of all time. I have so much envy for people who live in NYC, Chicago, orFlorida. *sigh*
One of these things is not like the other!

Florida doesn't have its own style of pizza, it's just derived from New York style since it's New Yorkers' favorite place to come down when it's cold up north or for retiring.

I'd argue West Coast pizza has its own style as well- It's usually sort of like that "artisan" style where it has a thin crust like New York style, but usually wood baked or something that makes it crispier and almost sort of charred on the bottom. And the use of unusual fruits and vegetables on pizza as well; I'm fairly sure it was a Californian that invented ham and pineapple on pizza, which I know many East Coasters scoff at. Up here in Portland, the battle for best pizza place comes down between two places: Ken's Artisan and Apizza Scholls. The latter was visited by Anthony Bourdain and the Food Network among others have given it all sorts of press, but the former is widely hailed by food critics as the best one in town. I like Apizza Scholls better because they're nuts about the little details with their pizza (they hand mix all the dough which is unheard of and won't allow you to put more than I think 3 toppings on a pizza) and it's generally a better deal than Ken's.

Pizza's tied for my favorite food ever (tied with sushi and a good cuban sandwich or guava/cheese pastelito) but I like variety and I'm definitely not snobby about it. There's another place in town called Rocco's Pizza which everyone in Portland universally hates and yet they're still a thriving business. Their slices are huge, about $2 each, smothered in sauce and cheese and either overcooked or undercooked. Yet there's something that's kind of endearing about a crappy pizza- it's a fucking cheap gutbomb for one thing and they sort of take pride in being the "gutter punk" sort of slice and I can dig that. For $3 you get yourself a bigass slice of pizza and a tallboy of PBR and you can just sit around and hang out or go upstairs to the bar part and watch TV or shoot pool.

Which brings me to something that I sorta miss about pizza places: the "pizza parlor." Anyone remember how Pizza Hut used to be back in the day? The ones I went to were the ones with the big salad bar and the bigass arcade for kids, and they'd bring out that greasy ass pizza in a big metal pan to your family. Nowadays most pizza places are either carryout shops with no tables or anything or they're a super fancy "artisan bakery." I like the idea of merging the pizza parlor idea with bars. I should probably open up a shop like that. I make damn good pizza already (Recipe forthcoming)

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One thing I've learned since making my own pizzas from scratch a few years ago... it takes a certain talent to be able to fuck up a pizza.

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Should've been a TMNT pun for a title.

I get cheap ass Torinos pizzas and add hot sause and ranch, nuke it, then roll it and eat it like a burrito

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I have had pizza from all over the nation, and Chicago's is by far my favorite.

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I come from Michigan, home of Little Caesars and Domino's. I know pizza.

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One thing I've learned since making my own pizzas from scratch a few years ago... it takes a certain talent to be able to fuck up a pizza.
Heck, even I haven't fucked it up. Honestly, I think 99% of it is in the crust. If you get that right or at least not wrong, then the rest is cream cheese (figuratively of course, all though I might have to remember that idea)

In a way I'm glad I didn't come from one of those pizza hotbeds because then I think I'd be kind of snobby about it. I enjoy pizza of all shapes, styles, and varieties. Even most frozen pizzas. Only shit I can't abide by is that Boboli crap that my dad used to love to make for dinner when I was a kid and this place, Bill's, which is a lot like the place VX described. Just cheap drunk food. Except not really good at all. They used cheap mild cheddar for their cheese. Everybody knows it's supposed to be mozzarella!

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Baltimore has shit for pizza. I can't even name one local pizza place that is even decent. They all try for a NYC style pizza and yet still fail. Horrible.


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The blog entry on regional pizza styles that inspired this thread.

I was not aware of about a good 60% of these styles.

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There's one place I been to like 30 miles away from here that's so fucking awesome it's become an all day event if I go there with pals. Blunt ride, get 4 or 5 pitchers of beer, get 2 pizzas that cover a table that can seat 8, and catch up with my buds. Problem is always finding the guy who wants to make the drive home after getting blown, drunk, and stuffed.

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There's one place I been to like 30 miles away from here that's so fucking awesome it's become an all day event if I go there with pals. Blunt ride, get 4 or 5 pitchers of beer, get 2 pizzas that cover a table that can seat 8, and catch up with my buds. Problem is always finding the guy who wants to make the drive home after getting blown, drunk, and stuffed.


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Which brings me to something that I sorta miss about pizza places: the "pizza parlor." Anyone remember how Pizza Hut used to be back in the day? The ones I went to were the ones with the big salad bar and the bigass arcade for kids, and they'd bring out that greasy ass pizza in a big metal pan to your family.
Hells yeah. Our Pizza Huts are still like that...I think one of them ditched the arcade but hopefully the other's going strong with WWF Wrestlefest or something.

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I don't like pizza from anywhere but here.  I've had Chicago and NYC pizza and it's just not my taste.  Even going up to my mother's in Syracuse (which is only 2 hours away) they don't have anything decent going on.  It's like the French Onion Dip conundrum.

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I live in Los Angeles.
That's all you need to know about the "quality" of our pizzas.
In fact, if it ain't Mexican or Seafood, it sucks balls here.

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I actually found a pretty good pie in South Orange County.  This small little Sicilian deli in San Clemente makes a thin crust with great sauce, fresh mozzarella.

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I come from Michigan, home of Little Caesars and Domino's. I know pizza.

Goddamn skippy-da-do! Alas Domino's started vanishing left and right in Flint

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I haven't seen a Little Caesars in forever

I've got a half dozen Dominos in my area, and 1 Pizza Hut

I'll get Dominos once in a while just because it's so cheap, but I liked their pizza better before they changed their formulas, it always feels undercooked, and the retards who work there are terrible at distribution of toppings.  I want toppings mixed in with the cheese, not buried underneath or thrown on top

FWIW I think Unos has the best chain pizza

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My hierarchy of chain pizza places
1. Papa John's
2. Little Caesar's (Pretty much only because of the low, low price. Though half the time I go there, I get the wings for some reason. Crazy Bread FTW.)
3. Pizza Hut (Last few times I went there it's been not good at all. I don't know if they changed the formula or something but the sauce was WAYYYYY too sweet and over powered the taste)
4. Domino's (Hard to rate this since I've only had the new formula once and I was drunk so I could have eaten a piece of cardboard with some string cheese and bits of Slim Jim on it and liked it. I was never crazy about Domino's even as a kid and that's a fairly damning indictment)

Except for Little Caesar's, I only go to these places maybe 1-2 times a year. Kind of weird because I have a Domino's literally right down  thestreet. Then again, I also have a servicable Chinese place, a good Thai place, two solid Vietnamese places, Brit-Indian place, and a bombass Mom and Pop burger place down the street too.

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My rank goes 1) Hungry Howies 2) Dominos 3) Pizza Hut 4) Papa Johns. Ever since Little Cesar's started doing the cheap Hot N Ready pizzas the overall quality has dipped.

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If we're counting local chains, there's a Maine/Vermont pizza place called Leonardo's that's probably neck and neck with Papa John's. They have some great toppings/specialty pizza (I know it's not real traditional pizza but whatev)  but the crust is just as bad as most national chains.

Portland Pie Co. is a really good Portland only area chain.  My brother used to be a deliveryman for them. Love The Mohegan and The Harbormaster. Mount Katahdin is a hell of a veggie pizza too. It's kind of gone downhill as they've expanded and started selling their dough to local grocery stores though.

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National chain ranking for me goes 1. Papa John's by a country mile, 2. Sbarro (haters gon' hate) 3. Tie between Domino's and Pizza Hut (before Domino's changed their pizza it was better since it was more bread-y now it tastes artificial and greasy and the only good pizza at Pizza Hut is the stuffed crust), 5. Little Caesar's.

I'm not even going to delve into the local places around here because there's so many of them that I like. And usually better than all of the above. The $10 special PJ's is running right now makes it kinda hard for me to avoid them, though.

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I come from Michigan, home of Little Caesars and Domino's. I know pizza.

lol

I don't care if it makes me sound rustic, but I hate "original" style pizza you get in Europe. I like the grease, thickness and symmetry that come with an American-made pie.

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I always forget Sbarro's when I list off national pizza chains for some reason. I never associate it with Pizza Hut, Dominos, Papa John's but with all of the other restaurants I only find in mall food courts. Unrelated but Panda Express, Amato's Italian Sandwiches (again, another Maine/Vermont chain...hmm maybe a local chain thread might work), and Arby's are the holy triumvirate of the food court of my mall.


Yeah my mall food court kind of sucks now that I think about it!

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Both our local franchises have the nationwide chains beat. I'm including them. I was a big fan of Papa John's, but for the price, it's not really that much better. Maybe it's the local store, but for the last while they've skimped on everything to where I just stopped ordering from them. Pizza Hut ranks above them now. I wish Little Caesar's delivered. Domino's is still junk.

Pudge Brothers, Black Jack, Pizza Hut, Papa John's, Little Caesar's, Domino's.

I should try a take and bake from Papa Murphy's one of these days. I've just never bothered. We have Sbarro and California Pizza Kitchen here, too, but each location is too far away. I don't feel like I'm missing much anyway.

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I like Sbarro's, but not at $4 a slice.

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The only Sbarro's that are around here are in malls (and one in the university where I work). Are they a mall-only chain or do they have stores in other parts of the country?


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I've never seen one that wasn't in some type of foodcourt, be it a mall, rest stop, combo restaurant or whatever

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I'm a pretty fan of Fox's Pizza, which I think is a Michigan-Ohio chain, lots of different specialty pizzas, and somewhat decent prices.

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I think I saw some standalone Sbarro's when I was last in NYC but that's the only place I've seen them. Who the hell would go there with all of those options besides Michael Scott?

It's perfectly fine chain pizza but not at $4 a slice. I'd be much more agreeable if it cost half of that much.

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No idea how widespread they are but the only pizza place I'll order from around here is Snappy Tomato's. Now, if we're talking homemade, I've recently found using sliced mozzarella from a deli to be a better alternative to shredded cheese.

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Best chain-type place around here is Donatos, which isn't national but has locations all over Ohio and a few in Indiana. Thin crust (which isn't what I prefer, but it works okay here), good sauce, great cheese, and fantastic sausage. There really isn't even a point in ordering any other topping, it's that good.

Best independent shop is the Flying Pizza, which serves a decent imitation of New York style. Only problem is that the better of the two locations is smack dab in the middle of campus, so even if I wanted to brave the bro hordes to try and get a slice I'd have to search for a parking spot for twenty minutes to do so. 


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Devo you live in Dayton? Just wondering because my class is eating at Flying Pizza downtown next week?


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Columbus, actually. I had no idea they had locations outside of this city.

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I live in Los Angeles.
That's all you need to know about the "quality" of our pizzas.
In fact, if it ain't Mexican or Seafood, it sucks balls here.

LA has plenty of good pizza. There's Joe Peeps and Fire Pit in the Valley, and Strawberry Cone for weird Japanese-style pizza with seaweed n stuff. There's really no excuse not to find a decent place.

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I disagree about PLENTY of good pizza. I hear enough complaining about it and I'm inclined to agree.
But, of course, there's gotta be someplace in this vast land that knows what they're doing.
I appreciate the suggestions and Joe Peeps seems to be well-liked enough. I'll definitely try it next time I'm nearby.

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To call Los Angeles, one of the most highly regarded towns for food in the country, devoid of anything outside of Mexican or seafood is nothing short of mind-numbingly ignorant and reeks of someone who hasn't gone enough out of their comfort zone to actually see what's around. FFS, I don't know how many celebrity chefs have restaurants in L.A. (including Gordon Ramsay's London in West Hollywood) to say nothing of the rest of the restaurants in Beverly Hills, Santa Monia, WeHo, etc... Just seriously, wow.

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I'm surprised he mentioned seafood as L.A's second prominent cuisine. They've got some of the best Asian food in the country by most accounts.

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I think he may be referring to sushi in particular, but all sorts of American cuisine is awesome there as well. Not to mention L.A. pretty much invented the chili burger (Tommies ftw) and IN N FUCKIN OUT. And chicken and waffles.

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I had chicken & waffles at a little hole in the wall last week. Given that this country is so enamoured with fried food, I'm surprised as hell that a dish like this isn't universally beloved. We have great food here, but the bad thing is that I live in the IE and so I am not all that blessed with culinary choices that aren't chain dominated.


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To call Los Angeles, one of the most highly regarded towns for food in the country, devoid of anything outside of Mexican or seafood is nothing short of mind-numbingly ignorant and reeks of someone who hasn't gone enough out of their comfort zone to actually see what's around. FFS, I don't know how many celebrity chefs have restaurants in L.A. (including Gordon Ramsay's London in West Hollywood) to say nothing of the rest of the restaurants in Beverly Hills, Santa Monia, WeHo, etc... Just seriously, wow.

Okay, I'm not counting things ANY city can do. I enjoy my steakhouses, pasta, burgers, fast food and desserts here (I know...what else is there, right?).
What does L.A. EXCEL at? To me, like I had mentioned, if I had friends visiting I'd say "You gotta try the Mexican or the Seafood here".

Also, I eat in Beverly Hills, Santa Monica and WeHo all the time. That's my neighborhood.
Sorry but I haven't been overly impressed. Not for "one of the most highly regarded towns for food in the country". Admittedly, I'm not dining at Gordon Ramsey's place but still...

I'm surprised he mentioned seafood as L.A's second prominent cuisine. They've got some of the best Asian food in the country by most accounts.

I really like the fish here so I thought I'd give that a shoutout.
I liked some Asian places I've went to but I guess I'm still looking for a place as good as my favorite Chinese places from where I used to live before moving to L.A.

I think he may be referring to sushi in particular, but all sorts of American cuisine is awesome there as well. Not to mention L.A. pretty much invented the chili burger (Tommies ftw) and IN N FUCKIN OUT. And chicken and waffles.

I won't complain about the fast food in L.A., it's reigns supreme over here. However, outside a few chains, I hate most fast food restaurants and I don't want In N Out every day...as good as it may be.

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I don't like pizza from anywhere but here.  I've had Chicago and NYC pizza and it's just not my taste.  Even going up to my mother's in Syracuse (which is only 2 hours away) they don't have anything decent going on.  It's like the French Onion Dip conundrum.
A lot of people from Buffalo say that.  I don't understand it.  I lived there for 3 years and the pizza you get there is absolute crap.  Most of the people who have had pizza from Buffalo and are not from the area agree with me.

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The only cuisine that is good to come out of Buffalo are Chicken Wings, Ted's Hot Dogs and Mighty Taco.

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The only good pizza in buffalo is the stuff you get from the little italian bakeries.   Cristiano's seriously had the best pizza ever.

Edit:  Oh, and uhm....from the pizza place my uncle owns.  Of course.  Obviously I meant that too.   

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For cheap Pizza I kinda like the Cici's buffet.

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For a national chain restaurant, Dominos is ok. Nothing special, but not the worst.

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For cheap Pizza I kinda like the Cici's buffet.

Yeah, I don't really see how you can beat a six dollar all you can eat pizza buffet.  The Buffalo Chicken pizza is one of my all-time faves as I usually dish half the pan onto my plate when I go.

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So, this is probably a stupid question (but it is pizza related) but is it true that they don't have garlic fingers in the states?

I read the other day (on Wiki or something maybe?) that garlic fingers are from the Maritime provinces, and rare outside of them. Is this true? Do you people just not have garlic fingers out wherever you might be?

As far as pizza I like goes, I honestly think I like pizza I make myself the best, because I'm picky about what I eat and can have it exactly the way I want. Outside of that, the corner store up from my childhood home makes, in my opinion, the best pizza.
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Hmm, garlic fingers sounds remarkably similar to something that New England fast food Italian chain Amato's and various other small pizza places in Maine serves called pazzo bread. Basically pizza dough with garlic, cheese, and melted butter on top cut into finger slices with marinara dipping sauce.

Pizza place that my big brother was a deliveryman for back when we were in high school did a delicious variation on it that was thin strips of pizza dough with garlic, cheese, melted butter, and pesto.

Makes me wish I could have some. But I think you're right. Probably isn't served outside of Northern New England/Canadian Maritimes.