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« on: November 17, 2010, 04:19:45 AM »
Stumbled upon this article about the Indianapolis Colts running the Wishbone Offense during the 1988 NFL Season.  This blows my mind as I always assumed that the NFL rarely employed any type of Option, except for maybe a handful of plays during the season (See Vick during his Atlanta days).

Apparently they even averaged showing it 10+ times in their games against San Diego, Denver, and the Jets.

Anybody else have any facts or tidbits that are generally not known, if virtually unknown period?

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2010, 02:32:09 PM »
One thing that stunned me when I first learned about it, was that the best defence (as determined by fewest points allowed per game) since the NFL-AFL merger belongs to the................1977 Atlanta Falcons.  A team that went 7-7 and missed the playoffs.

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2010, 05:07:00 PM »
The 1929 Packers Played EIGHT straight road games and allowed only 22 points to be scored against them over 13 games....and managed to NOT go undefeated

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2010, 09:54:13 PM »
Georges Carpentier competed professionally at every weight class officially recognized during the course of his career and won significant European titles at every weight division from Welterweight upwards. He also held the world light heavyweight title for two years.


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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 02:19:43 AM »
Stumbled across this 1930 Account of a game between Green Bay and the New York Giants.

What's notable about it?  It mentions Green Bay utilizing a 6 man DL and 5 man Secondary in some situations.  So essentially the Nickel/Dime package could have been seen as early as the 1920's.

Also interesting is that the NFL/Pro Football was founded on committees in part due to two way players and the Single Wing/Wing T playing formations.  But formations like the Wildcat and RBBC's are throwbacks to the old way of playing football.  One could argue that Michael Vick from 2002-2005 was the re-incarnation of the old school QB/HB who would throw and run judiciously.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 03:12:00 AM »
Former Packer QB TJ Rubley (most famous for calling an audible on a run play and tossing a INT to cost the Packers a victory over the Vikings in 1995, then being cut in favor of Jim McMahon right after) is brothers in law with Sly Stallone

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 12:33:18 AM »
Watching the 1980 NLCS Game 5 program on MLB Network.

That postseason the Phillies and Astros played a three game set, Friday, Saturday and Sunday in the Astrodome. What makes it interesting is that the University of Houston had a football game scheduled against Texas A&M on Saturday. Change of venue?  Heck no!

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4klPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IQMEAAAAIBAJ&dq=houston%20football&pg=4220%2C4863952

Of course the Phillies/Astros game went extra innings forcing a late(r) start.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bmBQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=g1gDAAAAIBAJ&dq=houston%20football&pg=4893%2C3461059

After the football game the Astrodome crew had to again quickly convert the field from football back to baseball for game 5 that evening.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 12:28:42 PM »
While it's not unknown per se, it's often overlooked that Arnold Palmer was involved in every Green Jacket ceremony from 1958-1966. He won the coat in 1958/60/62/64, and gave it to Art Wall, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus twice.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 10:57:39 AM »
The Run & Shoot didn't debut with Warren Moon and the Houston Oilers in the NFL... it debuted with the 1986 Green Bay Packers?? thanks to HC Forrest Gregg.

That's the earliest specific mention I can find.  Given that he tried to run it at SMU after the Death Penalty, it wouldn't surprise me if Gregg tried to incorporate somewhat of a "pure" version in 1986.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2011, 11:15:29 AM »
The West Coast Offence started with the Cincinnati Bengals in 1968.

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2011, 12:32:02 PM »
No one in NFL History has more Kickoff returns for touchdowns than, of all people, Leon Washington.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 01:44:43 PM »
I don't remember how I found this game but there was a game managed by Davey Johnson:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN198607220.shtml

It went into extras and he was running out of players. Two pitchers played as outfielders and relievers. The Mets won the game.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2011, 03:19:29 PM »
King Clancy played every position in a game in 1923. Back then when players need to take a break or was penalized, the player had to be replaced, including the goalie, which he was also served a penalty. Clancy played two minutes in goal, and didn't let a goal in.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2011, 05:45:42 PM »
Back then when players need to take a break or was penalized, the player had to be replaced, including the goalie, which he was also served a penalty.
Yeah, I read about that once! In fact, this exact sentence appeared in the instruction manual of the cheap DVD player I bought.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2011, 05:51:13 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2011, 09:17:51 PM »
Once he caught on to the fact that quarterbacks always tried to figure out where he was before they snapped the ball, Lawrence Taylor liked to sneak up behind them after plays and whisper in their ear, "Don't worry about where I am. When I get here, I'll let you know." This reduced Ron Jaworski to tears.

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2011, 03:18:23 AM »
Once he caught on to the fact that quarterbacks always tried to figure out where he was before they snapped the ball, Lawrence Taylor liked to sneak up behind them after plays and whisper in their ear, "Don't worry about where I am. When I get here, I'll let you know." This reduced Ron Jaworski to tears.

Out of fear or laughter?

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2011, 03:30:17 AM »
The West Coast Offence started with the Cincinnati Bengals in 1968.

Interestingly, it was more balanced than what came after it coaching wise.  Bill Walsh strived more for balance whereas coaches such as Andy Reid shifted it heavily more towards the passing aspect.  The same thing happened with Mouse Davis striving more for a balanced attack in the R&S (taking the run game more) whereas John Jenkins, June Jones, and Jerry Glanville leaned heavily on the passing aspect.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 07:07:16 AM »
The West Coast Offence started with the Cincinnati Bengals in 1968.

Interestingly, it was more balanced than what came after it coaching wise.  Bill Walsh strived more for balance whereas coaches such as Andy Reid shifted it heavily more towards the passing aspect.  The same thing happened with Mouse Davis striving more for a balanced attack in the R&S (taking the run game more) whereas John Jenkins, June Jones, and Jerry Glanville leaned heavily on the passing aspect.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2011, 07:38:08 AM »
I don't remember how I found this game but there was a game managed by Davey Johnson:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN198607220.shtml

It went into extras and he was running out of players. Two pitchers played as outfielders and relievers. The Mets won the game.

You probably came across it when I posted it in TWiB two weeks ago.

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2011, 11:51:30 AM »
I don't remember how I found this game but there was a game managed by Davey Johnson:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN198607220.shtml

It went into extras and he was running out of players. Two pitchers played as outfielders and relievers. The Mets won the game.

You probably came across it when I posted it in TWiB two weeks ago.
Did you attach a blog post about it? I read it off a blog that led me to the box score and I couldn't remember how I came across it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2011, 03:42:29 PM »
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/silver-anniversary-davey-johnson-runs-out-of-players/

25 years ago today Davey Johnson literally ran out of players and still won a game 6-3 in extra innings. Cool read.

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2011, 01:25:53 AM »
The Wishbone offense adopted by Emory Bellard was really a merging of Homer Rice's Veer option attack and Gene Stalling's Triple Option out of the slot I Formation.  The initial formation of the offense came about in the 1950's at the high school level thanks to coaches such as Charles Cason and Ox Emerson.

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2011, 02:19:28 AM »
Jack Nicklaus finished out of the top 10 in a major only 5 times during the 1970s.  5 times in 40 majors.

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2011, 03:02:40 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2011, 05:59:21 AM »
If the 3 point line was used, based on the number jump shots he made from that range, Pete Maravich would have averaged 57 points per game in college.

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2011, 06:36:22 AM »
Jeff Reese holds the record for most points by a goalie in a single game with three.

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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2011, 07:56:21 AM »
Jeff Reese was my favourite goalie when I was 8 years old.  Pretty bummed when they traded him for Doug Gilmour.

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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2011, 02:01:47 AM »
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According to a blog on baseball-reference.com, (Austin) Jackson became the first centerfielder to make a game-ending catch-and-throw-home in 23 years. The last time it had happened, Jim Leyland also was the winning manager. His Pittsburgh centerfielder, Andy Van Slyke, made the throw for the center-to-home double play to save a win over St. Louis in 1988.

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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2011, 02:59:58 AM »
Pretty sure I remember Tsuyoshi Shinjo actually doing that for the Mets against the Braves a couple years ago...

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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2011, 03:38:43 AM »
It was a game ender, but it wasn't a catch it was a single by Julio Franco to center and then he threw Chipper out at home to end the game.

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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2011, 12:34:37 PM »
Eddie Robinson coached at Grambling State for 56 years!

In order for Joe Paterno to match that, he'd have to coach through the 2023 season.  That'd also make Paterno 98 years old by then.

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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2011, 02:46:23 PM »
The only time Gordie Howe had a 100 point season was when he was 41 years old.

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« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2011, 07:53:36 AM »
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During the 1991 Gulf War, when the MLB decreed all players would wear both the Canadian and U.S. flags on their batting helmets as a patriotic gesture, Van Slyke scraped the Maple Leaf off his helmet because, in his words "Canada is a pacifist, socialist country." Van Slyke's insult to Canadian veterans and the country itself did not sit well with MLB Commissioner Fay Vincent, who ordered that the Canadian flag decal be re-inserted onto the helmet.

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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2011, 06:45:21 AM »
Was looking at the 1966 Green Bay Packers PB and found this fascinating given the changes over the years... Speed is the 40 Yard Dash times in shorts.

Split End (Weakside WR): Most reliable receiver and the 3rd Down go to option.  Speed = 4.80
Strong End (Tight End): Blocker who can catch in a crowd.  Speed = 5.0
Wing/Flanker (Strongside WR): The burner or deep threat receiver.  Speed = 4.80
Offensive Tackle: Pass Protection #1 quality.  Speed = 5.40
Offensive Guards: Need speed/agility to pull and stand up to "260 pound" defensive tackles.  Speed = 5.20
Offensive Center: Leader of the OL, calls the blocking assignments.  Speed = 5.30
Quarterback: Must be able to throw well long and short.  Leadership, intelligence, and poise are key to success.
Fullback: Blocks like a guard with power running capabilities.  Speed = 4.90
Halfbacks: Fast, durable runner who can catch the ball as well as a WR.  "Smaller" RBs with good speed can be utilized as "Spot" players (sound familiar?) Speed = 4.80

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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2011, 07:46:49 AM »
SE was Antonio Freeman and Flanker was Robert Brooks on that team if I remember correctly. There was so much depth on that team it was crazy.. after Brooks and Freeman you had Andre Rison, Keith Jackson, and Don Beebe, Mark Chmura and Keith Jackson at tight end, William Henderson, Edgar Bennett, and Dorsey Levens running the ball... reminds me a lot of the current offense, actually, just much younger. Most of the starters on that team were in their 30s or upper 20s on both sides of the ball, a stark contrast to last year's championship team.

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« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2011, 07:58:31 AM »
Check that year again, bro

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« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2011, 08:08:20 AM »
LOL

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« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2011, 08:45:12 AM »
HA! 1996, 66.. It's a bit confusing when you've won more than one Super Bowl!

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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2011, 09:39:27 AM »
What, did quarterbacks not have to run the 40 back then?

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« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2011, 09:44:14 AM »
According to Vince Lombardi they didn't... or it didn't matter enough to him.

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« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2011, 09:46:11 AM »
The offensive line was good enough in 66 it didn't matter how fast Bart Starr was. That, and defenses weren't as fast back then.

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« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2011, 12:49:57 PM »
NO ONE was as fast back then, except for like, Jim Brown. The real olde tyme comedy line there is 260lb defensive tackles.

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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2011, 12:55:45 PM »
I'm a Defensive Tackle in 66.

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« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2011, 01:49:41 AM »
Bears/PACK week fun fact:

Kicker Chester Marcol had one of the most memorable plays ever, when he caught his own blocked FG in overtime and ran it in for a TD vs The Bears in 1980, later that year the Packers cut Marcol and he stayed living in GB...The Oilers came to town, with their Kicker being hurt late in the week, signed Marcol because he was close, let him play one game (vs The Pack) and then cut him. Marcol never left town.

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« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2011, 02:11:05 AM »
Marcol never left town.

That's just as depressing as the Quantum Leap ending.

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« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2011, 01:06:17 PM »
Walter Payton's bar had a back room that was there specifically for Payton to fuck patrons.


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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2012, 05:25:59 AM »
Many know of Urban Meyer as the guy who made Alex Smith a star QB destined for HOF greatness coming out of Utah (and later turned Tim Tebow into Touchdown Jesus at Florida).

I knew he had coached at Bowling Green prior to Utah but had no idea how prolific he made Josh Harris.  In 2002, he threw for 2,425 yards with 19 TD vs 11 INT.  He also ran for 737 yards with 20 TD.

Compare those numbers to Woody Dantzler's 2001 season at Clemson (where Rich Rodriguez was implementing his own spread option attack as OC).  Dantzler threw for 2,360 yards with 17 TD vs 11 INT.  He also ran for 1,004 yards with 10 TD.

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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2012, 04:43:54 AM »
The San Francisco 49ers introduced the Shotgun Formation to the NFL in 1960 (and 1961).

The interesting if not funny part? The Dallas Cowboys and Tom Landry re-introduced the Shotgun Formation in 1975.  Opposing coaches and players called it a "rinky dink" offense and a gimmick/fad at the time to hide Roger Staubach's ability to read a defense.

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« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2012, 06:09:19 AM »
Many know of Urban Meyer as the guy who made Alex Smith a star QB destined for HOF greatness coming out of Utah (and later turned Tim Tebow into Touchdown Jesus at Florida).

I knew he had coached at Bowling Green prior to Utah but had no idea how prolific he made Josh Harris.  In 2002, he threw for 2,425 yards with 19 TD vs 11 INT.  He also ran for 737 yards with 20 TD.

Compare those numbers to Woody Dantzler's 2001 season at Clemson (where Rich Rodriguez was implementing his own spread option attack as OC).  Dantzler threw for 2,360 yards with 17 TD vs 11 INT.  He also ran for 1,004 yards with 10 TD.

Meyer turned bowling green around immediately and his last year there, and the year after he left which was all his recruitment and josh Harriss senior year, they finished in the top 25 both years.  A feat infinitely more impressive than winning a title at Florida.   

That team the year after Meyer left lost three games.  One to #5 Ohio state (they fumbled the ball in Ohio state territory down 7 to end the game) and twice to Ben rapelisberger and his #8 Miami of Ohio team.  He torched them both times.  But still.