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« on: November 18, 2010, 05:35:06 PM »
She's great. I've been drinking and don't feel like going to bed or doing real work, so here are a bunch of words about songs marketed to teenage girls.



IIRC, Czech once called this song "replacement level country," which at some level is what it is. The whole thing, from the fiddle flourishes to the strategically deployed references to Christian faith, is designed to appeal to country radio audiences in the most blatant ways. But even here, hemmed in by a rigid Nashville formula, there are moments of brilliance. First of all, there's the fact that it's, like, totally meta- and about its own conception. Second, there's the way in which the sudden perspective shift in the last chorus (from her boyfriend to herself) presages the much more complex use of the same device (in the opposite direction) in "Mine" (see below). Then there's the way she sings "Cuz it's late/and your mama don't know," which is just fantastic. It's basically a thumbnail look at everything that makes her an appealing artist.



It's a shame that the "I'll tell [my friends] your gay!" line retained here was edited out of the radio/video version and eventually disowned by Swift herself, because, PC or not, it's the truest moment in the whole thing. It fits perfectly with the petulant tone of the rest of the song, and is totally in line with the sort of thing that an actual spurned 16 year old girl would say about the dude who left her heartbroken. It's real, you know? For an artist constantly accused of being overly stage-managed, it's a moment of 100% unfiltered expression.



Taylor Swift is often accused of perpetuating unrealistic fairy tale visions of love and relationships. As demonstrated by songs like this, such a criticism is plainly nonsense. For the most part the lyrics here speak for themselves, but there are a few moments worthy of special attention. The first is the final chorus where she shifts tenses and "this is a small town" becomes "that was a small town/there in my rear view mirror/disappearing now," which implicitly rejects the traditional country music idealization of the small town as a utopia by instead figuring it as just a shitty place where bad boyfriends live and which you have to flee in order to be happy. The second is the line "I'm gonna find someone someday who might actually treat me well," which is just devastating in so many ways.



So great. "You made a rebel of a careless man's careful daughter" is just a ridiculously well-rafted line and it's just sort of tossed into the middle of the chorus here. "You say we'll never make my parents' mistakes" is a perfect bit of quiet, tossed off melancholy. The perspective shift technique mentioned above resurfaces here with a vengeance, as it takes on a much weightier narrative purpose. The whole thing is just a marvel of pop songcraft and I really feel bad for you if you can't appreciate it. 



According to wikipedia, this was written "the day after she won the CMA Horizon Award...about being on a small record label in this huge music industry." But it's a song called "Change" that came in out in the fall of 2008. It's totally about Obama. To that end, it's a startling rebuke to country music's typically unflinching conservatism. More than that, though, it captures the mixture of naive enthusiasm and genuinely painful longing for something new that, more than anything, was the animating force behind the whole Obama campaign. Written months before it actually happened, the last few lines capture the (unfortunately soon-to-be-disappointed) feelings of excitement and euphoria which defined that Election Day better than just about anything:

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Tonight we'll stand, get off our knees
To fight for what we worked for all these years
And the battle was long, it's the fight of our lives
But we'll stand up champions tonight

It was the night things changed, can you see it now?
These walls that they put up to hold us back fell down
It's a revolution, throw your hands up, 'cause we never gave in

We'll sing hallelujah!
We sang hallelujah!
Hallelujah!

What I'm trying to say is that Taylor Swift has her finger on the pulse of America. Recognize. 

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 05:39:58 PM »
I already regret this.

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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 07:00:47 PM »
you, faggot

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 10:06:56 PM »
Alcohol is a helluva drug.

Or something like that.


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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 11:13:24 PM »
I already regret this.
If it makes you feel any better, I knew this thread was started by you the moment I saw it on the main page. Seems like it would have happened eventually. One day, I'll make a thread like this about Kylie. And I'll be drunk. And it'll rule.

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 12:04:19 AM »
*dates older male celbrity, shocked when things don't work out, writes song about it in Mead notebook*

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 12:17:29 AM »
He writes very well for being drunk.


HEY, TRTSM:

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 12:19:14 AM »
Writing while you're drunk is as easy as driving.

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 12:29:41 AM »
Drunk boarding is the simplest thing. Back at the old board, almost all my nighttime posts (remember when I was a part of the night crew?) were written under the influence of alcohol. Each one was coherently written and without a single typo.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2010, 12:50:24 AM »
you, faggot

This was partly inspired by your Charlie St. Cloud thread, dawg. Effortful boarding about pop culture ephemera.

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 05:06:17 AM »
Taylor Swift actually makes me want to return to high school and have love feel that new again. She's the most consistent artist out today. I haven't heard the new album aside from Mine, but the sophomore effort was literally full of hit singles. She could've easily rode off that album for another year.

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2010, 05:18:50 AM »
Taylor Swift actually makes me want to return to high school and have love feel that new again.

Gayest sentence I've read in at least a month.
met this fat girl (not a huge whale or anything but like 25-26 BMI) at a club in like,,, 2008....shes cool, not my type but giant hooters....we start drinkin gettin real faded, and she takes me out to her car to smoke some dro.....im high as fuck and point blank shes just like "hey man i am down to blow you........" im like whatever and we try but my dick wasnt workin cuz i was so faded and this fuckin weed she had was like....fuck i just couldnt get my head in the game..but im rico suave and i get her digits and she texts me her address the next day and says "come over to get ur cock sucked and blow a load in my perm"

so i roll up and her roommate answers the door, i ask if her roomies around and she says "oh....she DIED TEN YEARS AGO THIS VERY DAY...."

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 10:00:57 AM »
Taylor Swift actually makes me want to return to high school and have love feel that new again.

Gayest sentence I've read in at least a month.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2010, 02:44:24 PM »
Drinking again, girl I'm trying to smash just left without smashing occurring. Time to write more words about Taylor Swift. This is therapeutic.



DYK that if you search for "Tim McGraw" on YouTube this, and not an actual Tim McGraw song, is the top result? And that's despite the fact that despite being her debut single, this video has by far the least views of any of the Major Works (9 million compared to, eg, Our Song's 32 million or You Belong With Me's 72 (!!) million (and people say the monoculture is dead...)). Anyway, as with the rest of her early period, this is loaded down with enough country music signifiers to kill your oldest and most trustworthy horse (steel guitar; references to pickup trucks, bluejeans and country singers; etc) (one thing that seems to have gone somewhat under-remarked upon wrt the new album is the fact that it eschews these rudimentary sops to Nashville entirely--the steel guitars and fiddles have been scrubbed from almost every song and the set of imagery and references utilized throughout the album reaches far beyond the well-worn tropes typical to most country music--while still, deep down, retaining some essential 'country-esque' structure of feeling. This basically confirms my working hypothesis that the trajectory of Swift's development as an artist has been pegged to her ability to transcend the countrified aesthetic in a movement that can only be described under the rubric of the Hegilian aufhebung), but it still has that certain je nais se quois that sets it head and shoulders above everything else on country radio that's not by Miranda Lambert (thread forthcoming). The most notable thing here (besides the usual expertly crafted hook and pitch-perfect song composition) is the scene-setting imagery. "Just a boy in a Chevy truck/that had a tendency of getting stuck/On back roads at night/And I was right there beside him/All summer long" is, all by its lonesome, enough to reveal every characterization of Swift's music as "sexless" as being totally and unforgivable tone-deaf. Girl was real as fuck right from the get-go.

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 02:48:34 PM »
You know, being drunk isn't a good excuse for being gay.

Seriously Hegel?

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 02:52:17 PM »
Seriously Hegel?

this is yr brain on grad school

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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2010, 03:08:24 PM »
Different girl just texted me. Possible smashing incoming? In the meantime, though, more words



More than anything, this is a testament to the young Ms. Swift's totally unmatched knack for writing pop hooks. Look at these lyrics

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But this is me swallowing my pride,
Standing in front of you saying I'm sorry for that night
And I go back to December
It turns out freedom ain't nothing but missing you
Wishing I'd realized what I had when you were mine
I go back to December, turn around and make it alright
I go back to December, turn around and change my own mind
I go back to December all the time

Does that wordy mess look like it'd be one of the most Infectious Hooks of the year? Of course not.......but it is! She's a genius! Add that to a positively "Iris"-esque string arrangement and you've got yourself a recipe for Epic Winnery.

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2010, 03:14:02 PM »
Hey guys, were my attempts at smuggling Alfie-esque "Hey guys, guess what....I have sex!" comments into those posts effectively subtle, or just pathetically obvious? Feedback is greatly appreciated. I'm always looking for opportunities to sharpen my posting game, so don't hold back. TIA.

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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 06:24:44 PM »
Well, considering you never actually said you fucked the girl, you might just be talking about possible smashing.   That would rule out the "I have sex" part of it.  So you are currently riding a thin line.  Be careful.

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 06:27:28 PM »
Shut up, Cowboy Numbers.

I'm neither for it, nor against it.

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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 06:47:00 PM »
I didn't know that my endorsement for you being POTY would lead to this.

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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2010, 01:18:30 AM »
I wish I could go back to high school (when this thread didn't exist!!!!!).

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2010, 01:23:41 AM »
To all of you saying unkind things in this thread, I only have one response


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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2010, 05:19:08 AM »
It seems like Taylor Swift wrote a bunch of songs when she was 13 about love & relationships through the eyes of an innocent little girl, and now that she is famous, she is recording them.

I mean come on, she hooked up with John Mayer of all people, but had the nerve to think "she was the one" for him and she could put an end to his hit and quit it ways.  It's the actions of a freshman girl hooking up with a Senior because "he really loves me"

I am not even a fan of John Mayer, but I wish he would write a song about that same fuck fest errr...relationship they had, but from his point of view and release it to the world.  Just so we can laugh.

Finally, does "Taylor Swift" sound like a porn name?  Or is it just because of it sounding close to Stephanie Swift?
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2010, 06:35:22 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2010, 08:58:08 AM »
It seems like Taylor Swift wrote a bunch of songs when she was 13 about love & relationships through the eyes of an innocent little girl, and now that she is famous, she is recording them.

I mean come on, she hooked up with John Mayer of all people, but had the nerve to think "she was the one" for him and she could put an end to his hit and quit it ways.  It's the actions of a freshman girl hooking up with a Senior because "he really loves me"

I am not even a fan of John Mayer, but I wish he would write a song about that same fuck fest errr...relationship they had, but from his point of view and release it to the world.  Just so we can laugh.

Finally, does "Taylor Swift" sound like a porn name?  Or is it just because of it sounding close to Stephanie Swift?

Get this bullshit the fuck outta here. This thread is for high level discussion ONLY.

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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2010, 11:17:24 AM »
It seems like Taylor Swift wrote a bunch of songs when she was 13 about love & relationships through the eyes of an innocent little girl, and now that she is famous, she is recording them.

I mean come on, she hooked up with John Mayer of all people, but had the nerve to think "she was the one" for him and she could put an end to his hit and quit it ways.  It's the actions of a freshman girl hooking up with a Senior because "he really loves me"

I am not even a fan of John Mayer, but I wish he would write a song about that same fuck fest errr...relationship they had, but from his point of view and release it to the world.  Just so we can laugh.

Finally, does "Taylor Swift" sound like a porn name?  Or is it just because of it sounding close to Stephanie Swift?
Get this bullshit the fuck outta here. This thread is for high level discussion ONLY.
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2010, 04:02:51 AM »
married...yes, married!

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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 02:01:03 AM »
Byron, I can't get behind this Taylor Swift adoration, but I support you in your endeavors. I recall the derision I faced at the old board when I argued, in all seriousness, that "MMMBop" was/is capital-G Great.

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2010, 10:32:11 PM »
Byron, I can't get behind this Taylor Swift adoration, but I support you in your endeavors. I recall the derision I faced at the old board when I argued, in all seriousness, that "MMMBop" was/is capital-G Great.

MMMBop is Great.

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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2010, 12:40:03 AM »
you, faggot.

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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2010, 01:13:48 AM »

Maybe the real deep state was the friends we made along the way.

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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2012, 12:51:15 PM »
I like how they got rid of the fat girl in between pictures

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« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2014, 10:12:49 AM »
She's doing a sexed up video ala Jewel's "Intuition"





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« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2014, 11:05:35 AM »
What if she starts really sexing it up like Jewel did when she made her dance album  :-*

I called this two years and three days ago.  Still can't wait to beat to Taylor's Maxim shoot.  :)

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« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2014, 01:14:07 PM »
That was actually just whimsical and precious, not sexed up.

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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2014, 01:42:20 PM »
Oh, wow.

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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2014, 01:42:58 PM »
 :'(

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« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2014, 11:06:07 PM »
She does not have the body type to pull off that look.

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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2014, 01:39:07 AM »
She does not have the body type to pull off that look.

pretty sure that's the point, Inc


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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2014, 01:43:11 AM »
Like I'm gonna watch a Taylor Swift video.

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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2014, 07:11:35 AM »
I did, on mute.

The funny thing is, the video presents her "true, comfortable self" as the rock band scene in which she's wearing the black outfit and a bunch of everyday people are celebrating their own personal styles. However, despite the comic flailing, the video betrayed her most natural-looking state as the useless but popular cheerleader.

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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2014, 02:47:40 PM »
Should have stuck to country pop.

But shes hot, so its okay.


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« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2014, 02:02:59 AM »
It's just the snarky kind of bullshit so prevalent in a lot of online writing. In a sense it is just some guy with a blog.

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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2014, 08:11:17 AM »
Just found the Taylor Swift CD and signed cover I won once from Deep Discount DVD when I entered every contest. I realized I have never listened to this CD once and I can't find a reason to put it in. Looking at the pictures inside of the cover is just fantastic though. Goes from full of life to purely depressing.

This goes up there with finding out my lady bought a Taylor Swift calendar and she hasn't listened to a Swift CD in four years. I'm wondering if she listened to this now.

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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2017, 06:37:00 AM »


Taylor now in her "striking back at the press" phase à la HIStory-era MJ. The odds of the sexed-up music video have never been higher.