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« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2011, 03:32:51 AM »
I HATE HATE HATE leagues with defensive positions.  Like, with a passion.

But not as much as leagues that score return yards.

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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2011, 03:36:33 AM »
There's only a limit of seven pickups/trades for the season. Not going to waste a waiver wire move on picking up a TE, K, or DEF....or leave myself open with an empty spot during the bye weeks in the season. So it's almost a necessity I draft backups for each slot.

And I mean Brandon Pettigrew. Not Nate Burleson. Whoops.

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« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2011, 03:40:00 AM »
only 7 pickups/trades??? Wow. That's quite unappealing.


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« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2011, 04:21:23 AM »
I HATE HATE HATE leagues with defensive positions.  Like, with a passion.

But not as much as leagues that score return yards.
My money league is IDP (1 each DL, LB, DB), and we score return yards.  It's p. great.

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« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2011, 04:27:16 AM »
IDP is the best.  Defense is as much a part of the game as offense, I've never understood just drafting a defensive unit as a whole while you select individual offensive players.  It would be like filling out your lineup and then drafting 'Phillies pitchers'

Kinsey's strategy of not drafting K/D until the very end and loading up on RB/WR is exactly what I do.  Also, depending on who falls where, I'll draft 2 backup QBs who have upside, with the expectation of trading one

TRTSM keeper league and 909's auction are the only real leagues I'm in this year.  I've done some mock Yahoo and ESPN mock drafts.  I think I might do an auction today.

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« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2011, 06:10:05 AM »
I've just never thought that you could statistically measure a defensive player's performance with any type of certainty.  Offense, yeah, but defense...

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« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2011, 06:35:28 AM »
Offense is as much dependent on teammates as defense is.  Every year there's a handful of random average RBs who'll get 7+ red zone TDs just by virtue of their team's situation.  It's pretty straightforward with linemen and linebackers.  Tackles, sacks, forced fumbles, the occasional INT.  The best players have a nose for the ball and make things happen.  There are some DTs like Vince Wilfork who are road graders and mostly just take up coverage, so that isn't reflected statistically, but you know that going in. 

Tricker with DBs, especially the shutdown corners who's performance doesn't really show up in the stats.  I'm sure there's some advanced leagues out there that measure stuff like times CBs are targeted and coverage metrics and all that sort of shit, where dudes like Aso and Revis would be gods

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« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2011, 06:55:08 AM »
Here's what we have for IDP in my money league on ESPN:

   Each Sack (SK)      3      Every 3 Total Tackles (TK3)      1   
   Interception Return TD (INTTD)      6      Fumble Return TD (FRTD)      6   
   Blocked Punt or FG return for TD (BLKKRTD)      6      Blocked Punt, PAT or FG (BLKK)      2   
   Each Interception (INT)      2      Each Fumble Recovered (FR)      2   
   Each Fumble Forced (FF)      2      Each Safety (SF)      2   
   Solo Tackles (TKS)      1      Stuffs (SF)      2   
   Passes Defensed (PD)      2   

Assisted tackles is another of the scoring options available, but we don't have it turned on.  IDP players also get credit for any return yards/TDs if they happen to be a KR and/or PR, as well.

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« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2011, 10:14:52 AM »
Did a quickie 10 Team Yahoo draft on Monday out of boredom.  Standard scoring with 4 PT per TD and -1 per INT

QBs: Tony Romo, Matt Stafford
RBs: Chris Johnson, Shonn Greene, Beanie Wells
WRs: Reggie Wayne, Marques Colston, Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice, Michael Crabtree
TEs: Jermichael Finley, Kellen Winslow, Greg Olsen (Took Olsen just to dick an opponent into taking a weaker TE)
K: Josh Brown
D: San Diego

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« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2011, 10:28:42 AM »
My first and last IDP league was the keeper league here. Never again.

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« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2011, 02:25:44 PM »
Just had the craziest draft of my life.

1.    (10)    Darren McFadden    RB
2.    (31)    Matt Ryan    QB
3.    (50)    Stevie Johnson    WR
4.    (71)    Joseph Addai    RB
5.    (90)    Sidney Rice    WR
6.    (111)    New York    DEF
7.    (130)    Ryan Fitzpatrick    QB
8.    (151)    Chris Cooley    TE
9.    (170)    Greg Little    WR
10.    (191)    Jerod Mayo    LB
11.    (210)    James Harrison    LB
12.    (231)    Charles Johnson    DE
13.    (250)    Carnell Williams    RB
14.    (271)    Michael Huff    S
15.    (290)    Jason Hill    WR
16.    (311)    Patrick Chung    S
17.    (330)    Von Miller    LB
18.    (351)    Quentin Jammer    CB
19.    (370)    Louis Murphy    WR
20.    (391)    Jordan Shipley    WR
21.    (410)    Dawan Landry    S
22.    (431)    Lawrence Tynes    K

QB, WR, WR, RB, TE, W/T, W/R, W/R/T, K, DEF, D, D, DB, DB, LB, DE, CB, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

20 team league. That was fucking nuts. Once round 4 started I didn't know what to do. I took Joseph Addai in the 4th round of a draft in 2011 because the quality at QB, WR, and RB was largely completely gone. I didn't want Run DMC but I had literally no choice in the matter.


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« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2011, 09:54:56 PM »
12 Team, PPR League:

QB's:  Stafford, Fitzpatrick
RB's:  Rice, McFadden, Forte, Earnest Graham, Stephens-Howling
WR's:  Marshall, Collie, Julio, Mike Thomas, Amendola
TE's:  Owen Daniels, Gronkowski

Would have liked a better handcuff than Fitz for Stafford, but Eli was picked right ahead of me so no dice there.  RB bench is a bit shallow but the first three are so good it might not matter.  WR's are all good, but there are no sure-fire gamebreakers in the lot, at least not yet.  TE's are solid, if unspectacular.

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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2011, 12:25:59 AM »
Had my second draft, only a 10-team league this year, which unfortunately is done via autodraft due to the league being set up last minute and not everyone being able to get on the same page with date/time. Surprisingly was really happy with how it turned out.

QB: Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton
RB: Jamaal Charles, Shonn Greene, Tim Hightower
WR: Greg Jennings, Mike Williams (TB), Mario Manningham, Mike Thomas
TE: Kellen Winslow
K: Matt Bryant
DEF: Baltimore

Only three bench players. I generally hate playing a WR and TE of the same team in the same game, so although I want to hold onto Winslow for now, I put in a waiver claim to drop Thomas and pick up Gronkowski. Orton and possibly Hightower will also be dropped later down the road.

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« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2011, 01:04:26 AM »
Had my second draft, only a 10-team league this year, which unfortunately is done via autodraft due to the league being set up last minute and not everyone being able to get on the same page with date/time. Surprisingly was really happy with how it turned out.

QB: Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton
RB: Jamaal Charles, Shonn Greene, Tim Hightower
WR: Greg Jennings, Mike Williams (TB), Mario Manningham, Mike Thomas
TE: Kellen Winslow
K: Matt Bryant
DEF: Baltimore

Only three bench players. I generally hate playing a WR and TE of the same team in the same game, so although I want to hold onto Winslow for now, I put in a waiver claim to drop Thomas and pick up Gronkowski. Orton and possibly Hightower will also be dropped later down the road.
I get not wanting to put all one's fake football eggs in a given metaphorical basket, but Winslow's a SOLDIER and actually seems lined up for a pretty good year.  Tampa might not be the 2004 Colts, but they're one team I wouldn't mind starting a few players from.  I also have the Winslow/Williams team-up in the 12-team league here, so I'm very much hoping I'm not an idiot on this matter.

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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2011, 08:39:03 AM »
What's with the hate for IDP leagues? Not being defensive, actually just curious.

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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2011, 12:12:29 PM »
Defenses don't strike me as something to statistically fetish over. Who cares if Kyle Williams racks up a bunch of tackles? Now rushing yards. THAT's a statistic.

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« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2011, 10:02:39 AM »
Who cares if Kyle Williams racks up a bunch of tackles?

People that appreciate the game of football? I don't care to look at the number after the game, but watching him in action make each tackle is pretty great.

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« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2011, 10:07:48 AM »
Since when was fantasy football about appreciating the game of football?

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« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2011, 10:09:06 AM »
Yeah, I forgot what thread I was posting in sorry. On your way.

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« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2011, 01:42:13 AM »
I need some advice. As I said earlier, I picked up LT hoping that he would have a big "thanks for the money" season and got Reggie Bush hoping for him to start hot so he could be used as trade bait. According to the ESPN fantasy site, "he has already braced himself for a move into a clear backup role with the Jets." I can't find any evidence of that happening anywhere, and their site already screwed me over a bit by convincing me to start James Jones over Donald Driver. My point is, my friend Will is a huge Jets mark, and I can trade him LT for Justin Keller or Jason Witten. I need a tight end who's not questionable, but I don't know enough about fantasy yet to decide whether or not he's trying to bamboozle me. Any thoughts?

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« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2011, 01:51:20 AM »
I need some advice. As I said earlier, I picked up LT hoping that he would have a big "thanks for the money" season and got Reggie Bush hoping for him to start hot so he could be used as trade bait. According to the ESPN fantasy site, "he has already braced himself for a move into a clear backup role with the Jets." I can't find any evidence of that happening anywhere, and their site already screwed me over a bit by convincing me to start James Jones over Donald Driver. My point is, my friend Will is a huge Jets mark, and I can trade him LT for Justin Keller or Jason Witten. I need a tight end who's not questionable, but I don't know enough about fantasy yet to decide whether or not he's trying to bamboozle me. Any thoughts?

Keller is probably more of a straight up one for one, but you are most definitely coming out on the better end of the bargain by getting Witten.

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« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2011, 02:06:48 AM »
What about Tomlinson? Is he going to get pushed aside? I'm not sure since I've never done this before, but I think a running back who plays regularly would have more value than a tight end in our league.

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« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2011, 02:13:29 AM »
I had Tomlinson last season. He had a couple good performances, but wasn't a week-in week-out stud. If you can trade him for Jason Witten, absolutely do it.

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« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2011, 02:20:16 AM »
Thanks, gang.

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« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2011, 03:48:43 AM »
Any opinions on my Week 1 lineup would be appreciated.

QB-Tony Romo-Dal
RB-Jamaal Charles-KC
RB-Frank Gore-SF
Flex-Peyton Hillis-CLE
WR-Mike Williams-TB
WR-Anquan Boldin-BAL
TE-Dallas Clark-IND
DST-Jets
K-Mason Crosby

Bench
RB-Marshawn Lynch-SEA
RB-Tomlinson-NYJ
RB-Deji Karim-JAX
WR-Garcon-IND
WR-Thomas-JAX
WR-Simpson-CIN
DST-Oakland



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« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2011, 03:57:43 AM »
How many teams are in your league?  That's a pretty strong roster of RB's.  I'd probably ditch the Raiders D and pick up another skill player, then when the Jets bye week comes around waive your weakest skill player (one of your guys will probably be expendable) and pick up another D/ST.  Or waive the Raiders D and get a handcuff/backup for Romo or Dallas Clark in case one gets injured, which is realistic considering both were placed on IR last year.

Your lineup looks good for this week.

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« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2011, 03:59:25 AM »
Only play the Raider D against immobile QBs. This week is a good week to play them.

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« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2011, 05:55:47 AM »
How many teams are in your league?
 

It's a standard 10 team ESPN league.

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« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2011, 06:00:38 AM »
I like Charles against the Buffalo D a LOT this week. Ditto Hillis against Cincy. Trade Frank Gore by week 8, because he will NOT play 16 games, and will play a good 3 or 4 hurt before going out. You're pretty soft at WR, and if you have another guy in the opposite situation, you'll better your situation greatly.

Oh, definitely address a second QB, too.

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« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2011, 06:02:10 AM »
Only play the Raider D against immobile QBs. This week is a good week to play them.

Raiders D gives up a shit ton of yards though.

EDIT:  Well, I double checked myself and they don't allow a ton but I don't think they'd be a better option than the Jets on your average week, and given that D/ST is the most random as well as the most expendable position besides kicker, I still think another skill guy could be better used in this roster spot.

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« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2011, 06:05:38 AM »
I like Charles against the Buffalo D a LOT this week. Ditto Hillis against Cincy. Trade Frank Gore by week 8, because he will NOT play 16 games, and will play a good 3 or 4 hurt before going out. You're pretty soft at WR, and if you have another guy in the opposite situation, you'll better your situation greatly.

I have had some offers for Gore, but they mainly offered other RB's. The only reason I was able to get Charles/Gore/Hillis was because all the other guys were drafting WR and QB way too early. I had the second pick if that's any consolation so I went with Charles, it seemed like the safest pick.

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« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2011, 06:08:03 AM »
I like Charles against the Buffalo D a LOT this week. Ditto Hillis against Cincy. Trade Frank Gore by week 8, because he will NOT play 16 games, and will play a good 3 or 4 hurt before going out. You're pretty soft at WR, and if you have another guy in the opposite situation, you'll better your situation greatly.

I have had some offers for Gore, but they mainly offered other RB's. The only reason I was able to get Charles/Gore/Hillis was because all the other guys were drafting WR and QB way too early. I had the second pick if that's any consolation so I went with Charles, it seemed like the safest pick.

I drafted Rice with the second pick for the same safety reason and then ended up with McFadden and Forte to round out my RB's.  It still boggles my mind how people will pick QB's fourth and fifth overall!  A friend of mine was in a draft where LeSean McCoy was drafted first and while it's not a terrible first pick, I just can't imagine he's a better option than Johnson or Rice.

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« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2011, 06:08:37 AM »
Oh, that's a fine pick. Hoard your RBs for a few weeks, someone will bite and shift you something of value. Just hope Gore's yearly collapse comes late again.

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« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2011, 11:06:32 AM »
Ok dudes, I just traded Marques Colston and Marshawn Lynch for Robert Meachem and Plaxico Burress? Yay?

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« Reply #84 on: September 09, 2011, 11:08:27 AM »
Ok dudes, I just traded Marques Colston and Marshawn Lynch for Robert Meachem and Plaxico Burress? Yay?

For me, I would unquestionably rather have Meachem and Burress.

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« Reply #85 on: September 09, 2011, 11:23:18 AM »
That's a GREAT trade, especially considering Colston just broke his collarbone. Who else do you have at RB? I'm assuming Lynch is a bench guy.

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« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2011, 12:50:15 PM »
I have Matt Forte and Ahmad Bradshaw at RB. I'm trying to pick up Delone Carter from waivers.

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« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2011, 03:12:54 PM »
Meachem is a cash register now.

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« Reply #88 on: September 09, 2011, 03:33:07 PM »
I have Matt Forte and Ahmad Bradshaw at RB. I'm trying to pick up Delone Carter from waivers.

The only thing I don't like about those two RBs is that they each have touchdown vultures on the team in Barber and Jacobs, but still, both are good. PPR league? Forte will get plenty of business out of the backfield.

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« Reply #89 on: September 09, 2011, 03:52:15 PM »
Yes, it's a PPR league so I'm counting on that. Both of them are pretty good with receptions, and Barber is out this first week so that's a start.

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« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2011, 08:02:39 AM »
Better start this week: Cutler against the Falcons, or McCoy against the Bungles?

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« Reply #91 on: September 10, 2011, 08:29:28 AM »
Colt has looked good in the preseason, but I'd personally play it safe to start the season and go with Cutler. IIRC, he generally put up decent fantasy points most of last season.

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« Reply #92 on: September 10, 2011, 11:08:47 AM »
Who to start at TE, this week? Dallas Clark @ Houston or Rob Gronkowski @ Miami? It feels weird asking about starting Clark, but I'm leaning toward Gronk with Collins likely still adjusting to his new team.

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« Reply #93 on: September 10, 2011, 01:25:57 PM »
Who to start at TE, this week? Dallas Clark @ Houston or Rob Gronkowski @ Miami? It feels weird asking about starting Clark, but I'm leaning toward Gronk with Collins likely still adjusting to his new team.
I'd lean towards Gronkowski.  Texans have LBs who can cover Clark, unless the Colts try to single him out on Mario Williams.  I'm a bit worried about all the Colts in week one of Kerry Collins' stations of the cross.

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« Reply #94 on: September 10, 2011, 03:17:01 PM »
Only thing about Gronkowski is that he isn't consistent due to Aaron Hernandez also eating up snaps at tight end.  I remember for every game where he had 20 points last year, he'd put up a 3 or a 5 or something the next game.

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« Reply #95 on: September 10, 2011, 03:19:54 PM »
Only thing about Gronkowski is that he isn't consistent due to Aaron Hernandez also eating up snaps at tight end.  I remember for every game where he had 20 points last year, he'd put up a 3 or a 5 or something the next game.
While that's true, Gronkowski was on the field for nearly every first team snap in the preseason.  Hernandez is the bigger mismatch, but both will get their chances.  At this point, I'd rather gamble on the big guy as the unstoppable TD target over a Colt.

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« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2011, 04:06:35 PM »
Although, if you're going to play a Colt, he's the one I'd pick. I'd go Clark, as he'll certainly get more targets between the two. Figure he gets 4 receptions for 40-45 and a short TD; Not unreasonable at all. Do you think Gronk will do better than that? If so, start him.

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« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2011, 05:01:30 AM »
Santonio Holmes against Dallas or Brandon Marshall against Miami?

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« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2011, 06:31:30 AM »
D/ST Steelers

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LATE EDIT: The league I'm in isn't giving me anything for Tomlinson's 46 yards off three receptions

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« Reply #99 on: September 12, 2011, 03:10:02 AM »
D/ST Steelers

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LATE EDIT: The league I'm in isn't giving me anything for Tomlinson's 46 yards off three receptions

I'm in the Steelers club too.  They got me -3 points.