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2002 - Worst year for WWE this decade?
« on: May 10, 2009, 05:00:58 AM »
A lot of people argue that 2003 is the worst year for WWE this decade. I disagree as 2002 was far worse. Here's some examples:

- The failed nWo redux stoyline
- Austin walking out
- The Jackie Gayda/Trish Stratus debacle
- A very unmotivated Jeff Hardy constantly being pushed
- Katie Vick
- Undertaker's awful reign as World champ
- Hulk Hogan being the focal point of the company when he had no business doing so.
- Chris Jericho being HHH's bitch
- The terrible build-up to HHH/Jericho at WM18

I could go on and on but there's just a short list of what was wrong that year but let's not write off the year entirely as 2002 gave us a few small treasures such as:

- Brock Lesnar running through everyone
- Smackdown Six kicking ass
- RVD being pushed the hardest in his entire career
- HBK's comeback storyline
- The Elimination chamber.

So while 2002 had it's moments, up until Summerslam, I found the whole company to be unwatchable. Even after Summerslam, it wasn't even that great but it did get a lot better, especially on Raw. What do you think is the worst WWE year this decade?

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 05:05:46 AM »
2005 was pretty damn boring, but I wouldn't go with that per se.

You can say 2002 was the worst just because RAW was absolutely unwatchable, but there WERE good things on Smackdown. Smackdown became the Steph/Vince/Sable/A-Train/Gowen/Undertaker show in 2003 and that sucked. So I go with 2003.

2004 had an awesome run of matches on RAW with Evolution and Edge/Shelton/Tajiri/someone else and Smackdown was the Eddie/Kurt show (and I didn't mind JBL and the push of random green noobies), and 05-08 weren't half as bad as 02/03. It really is down to 02 and 03 in my eyes, and 02 had a better Smackdown.

(Although, I did love Vengeance 2003 and some of the other PPVs of the year. Just the free shows were brutal.)

I'd rank the years:
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 05:21:22 AM »
- The failed nWo redux stoyline
- Austin walking out
- The Jackie Gayda/Trish Stratus debacle
- A very unmotivated Jeff Hardy constantly being pushed
- Katie Vick
- Undertaker's awful reign as World champ
- Hulk Hogan being the focal point of the company when he had no business doing so.
- Chris Jericho being HHH's bitch
- The terrible build-up to HHH/Jericho at WM18

notice this was all raw.. minus hogan.

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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 05:25:11 AM »
Smackdown wasn't perfect either with Jericho being buried by HHH and the terrible matches Hogan had with both men. Smackdown as a whole was lightyears better than Raw that's for sure but it doesn't get an automatic pass.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2009, 05:41:38 AM »
Smackdown wasn't perfect either with Jericho being buried by HHH and the terrible matches Hogan had with both men. Smackdown as a whole was lightyears better than Raw that's for sure but it doesn't get an automatic pass.

That was all before the brand split started, except Hulkamania running wild for a month.

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2009, 05:45:24 AM »
The Jericho-HHH feud continued until Judgment Day which was about six weeks after split.

Actually, the shitty name change falls in here as well.

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2009, 06:02:45 AM »
Things really went to shit when hhh got the ego belt.

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2009, 06:06:43 AM »
2005 was pretty bad with the never-ending title reign of SuperCena. I swear, my friends and I ordered more PPVs that year than any other year because we wanted so badly to see someone beat Cena. When it finally happened at NYR'06, I think we were as happy as we had ever been as wrestling fans. That being said, 2002 was really bad looking back at it now, but I was only 13/14 at the time so I wasn't too offended by the product.

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2009, 06:12:55 AM »
2002 may have been the most boring year, 2007 will win hands down. Boring product before "Night of Champions", Benoit murders, retarded booking to follow the remainder of the year while trying to play damage control.

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2009, 06:30:35 AM »
2002 was the worst year for me as a fan (besides '07 with The Benoit incident and other notable wrestler deaths). WWE was so terrible and I kept looking for an alternative and coming up with nothing. WWA looked promising a while but then it's first live U.S. PPV absolutely bombed and it just sort of fizzled. XWF looked promising and then we heard nothing after the initial TV tapings and house show tour. TNA seemed to be surviving week to week with crap like Cheex and hardcore midgets.

There was a period where it got so bad that I was mostly interested in my local indy. Then of course, they started going downhill after they moved from their home venue (which was right up the street) and moved to Massachusetts like two months later. No wonder why I quit watching wrestling for a couple years.

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2009, 06:47:14 AM »
I was never a big follower of SMACKDOWN! so, in 2002, who were considered "The Smackdown 6?"
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2009, 06:53:07 AM »
I'll just say that I watched a lot more 2007 pre and post benoit WWE than I did 2002 or 2003.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2009, 06:55:07 AM »
I was never a big follower of SMACKDOWN! so, in 2002, who were considered "The Smackdown 6?"

Eddie and Chavo Guerrero, Edge, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle.

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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2009, 07:04:17 AM »
2007 for me.  2002 was awful until Heyman got the book on Smackdown later in the year, but 2007 was just downright depressing with the Benoit murders and the numerous other injuries and drug suspensions that plagued the roster.

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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2009, 07:08:28 AM »
I can't comment on anything after 2002, because the product that year was so bad that it actually led me to stop watching wrestling.  2002 wins by default.

I'll say, however, that I was probably more entertained by those trainwreck 2002 shows than I was by the insufferable Alliance storyline from the year before.

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2009, 07:31:53 AM »
The Alliance storyline sucked, but there was a lot of quality matches and funny segments.

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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2009, 07:37:13 AM »
2002 by a mile, because by that summer I had stopped watching wrasslin' all together. I didn't really tune back in until 2006 and it's only casual. I only catch Raw when nothing else is on and never watch Smackdown or ECW.


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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2009, 08:05:48 AM »
I'd say 2002 and 2003 were about even in my book. They both had good stuff and an equal amount of bad stuff.

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2009, 10:37:37 AM »
I argue that 2003 was far worse than 2002. 

- The failed nWo redux stoyline
It at least led to the Hogan/Rock match, which was worth the other crap.  Nash's quad tear was a bonus too. 
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- Austin walking out
Considering that they were doing jack shit with the biggest star of the modern era, it's hard to fault him for leaving.  And he did worse stuff in 2003, first retiring, and then doing all that awful, endless shit with Bischoff as co-GMs. 
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- The Jackie Gayda/Trish Stratus debacle
It was one match which was three minutes long.  This is one of the most overhyped "worst of all time!" segments ever. 
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- A very unmotivated Jeff Hardy constantly being pushed
The only time he was ever really pushed was during the feud with Taker, which produced that great ladder match.  The rest of the time he was mostly doing jobs.  Except for being the last European champion, which lasted all of two weeks and produced another fun ladder match with RVD. 
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- Katie Vick
Yep, terrible tacky shit.  And I'd still almost rather watch it than the non-stop 20 Minute Opening Promo that HHH took up on every Raw for all of 2003.  Or Kane's months-long feud with Shane. 
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- Undertaker's awful reign as World champ
It only lasted two months, and we got two nice matches out of it (the aforementioned Jeff match, and the triple threat with Rock and Angle where he lost the belt).  The only memorably bad parts were the bits with Hogan and Dreamer.  The crap he was doing in 2003 as the American Badass was so much worse, he spent the entire year burying every younger worker he could get his hands on. 
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- Hulk Hogan being the focal point of the company when he had no business doing so.
I have no idea why people bitch so hard about Hogan's 2002 reign.  He had one crappy match with Taker, but the rest were all at least tolerable, and some better than that.  And he spent most of the time there doing jobs for the younger guys.  Once again, I'd much rather have him being destroyed by Rock, Angle, and Lesnar and tagging with Edge than the stuff he was doing in 2003: feuding with Vince and Piper, and tagging with Zack Gowen. 
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- Chris Jericho being HHH's bitch
Poorly done, sure.  But I'll take that (especially when Chris was supposed to be the conniving heel to HHH's stoic vengeful babyface) compared to the entire year of '03, where it was "the entire Raw roster being HHH's bitch" when he was the most boringly dominant heel champ of all time. 
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- The terrible build-up to HHH/Jericho at WM18
Which was nowhere NEAR as terrible as the build-up to HHH/Booker T at WM19. 

Except for the Smackdown Six matches, 2003 had practically NOTHING worth mentioning.  And those had already been done in 2002 back when they were fresher matchups. 

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2009, 03:25:31 PM »
Hell even Raw in 2002 at least had Bookdust working fantasically and Bischoff as a fresh GM character basically doing anything he could to get ratings. By the next year Goldust was gone, Booker flat out stopped caring after WM XIX (and wouldn't again until Sharmell was on the road with him) and Bischoff turned into the the same heel boss role that was getting tiresome years prior.

As far as the SD six went, they took a big hit in 2003 as well. Edge went out with an injury early in the year, Angle was off for four months after Wrestlemania and barely worked with the others afterwards, and Chavo tore his bicep and was gone for the entire summer.

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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2009, 03:11:19 AM »
Surprised by this not being mentioned, but the fact they lost the WWF name in 2002 helps contribute to it being a bad year.

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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2009, 04:15:49 AM »
It definitely had it's ups and downs.

Good
Brock getting on of the biggest, fastest pushes of all time was lots of fun
Watching Brock toss Big Show around like he was weightless.
Smackdown Six!
Hogan's nostalgia run.  Fuck all you guys, I felt like I was 6 years old all over again!  Rock vs Hogan is one of the most entertaining (though far from technically-sound) matches in recent memory.  It did end appropriately enough with Brock murdering him on Smackdown.
Survivor Series 2002 was quite entertaining.
HBK vs Triple H unsanctioned at Summerslam 2002.
The Undisputed Title - Rivals the Attitude Era Big Eagle as one of the best-looking titles WWE has ever used, IMO.

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Katie Vick
Booger Red getting an uneventful run with the Undisputed Title.  At least his ladder match with a completely unmotivated Jeff Hardy was 100X better than it should have been.
Get the F Out!
The Rock's bullshit hypocritical promo after Austin "took his ball and went home". 


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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2009, 04:52:58 AM »
i thought 03 was the worse year, it was only towards the end of 03 at Survior Series when it really started to get better. when evoultion was in full force. with raw you had hhh basically running raw and pinning goldberg as summerslam when goldberg really should have won. in that moment goldberg was not this unbeatable character. also on smackdown you have boring storylines focusing on people we didn't care about seeing and which therefore got boring.

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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2009, 05:03:12 AM »
I think 2003 was the weaker year given the missed opportunities with guys like John Cena/Goldberg/Scott Steiner/Ultimo Dragon and the boring feuds (like HHH-Nash, HHH-Steiner, Eddie-Big Show, Angle-Cena, Booker-Christian, Rodney Mack-White People, Goldberg-Taker).
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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2009, 05:06:39 AM »
Really, nobody is going to mention 2004?

The inaugural Diva Search, Eugene, The Undertaker "killing" Paul Bearer, Benoit and Guerrero's poorly booked title reigns, HHH turning on Orton and their subsequent feud (extra negative points for this one), the never-ending JBL title program, Heidenreich, HHH getting traded for RVD and the Dudleys, the Kane-Lita-Matt Hardy saga, etc... As a fan for nearly two decades 2004 borderline ruined me as a WWE fan. It would take a while before I enjoyed the company again.

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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2009, 05:20:39 AM »
03 was pretty rancid. You had Steiner and Nash stinking up main events on ppvs.

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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2009, 05:46:43 AM »
I agree with 2002.  That's seemingly when everybody I knew,(mostly casual fans, but not all), gave up on The WWE.

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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2009, 06:32:32 AM »
I was the guy that liked 2004.

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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2009, 06:38:18 AM »
What I watched of 2004 (not very much, I admit) was good. Benoit getting the title at WMXX and Eddie Guerrero being awesome were the only things I remember from that year that I watched.

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2009, 06:38:55 AM »
I liked JBL's random mega push. His matches vs Eddie were awesome.

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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2009, 07:36:23 AM »
I can't put 2004 in the same bad category as 2002 or 2003 because Raw's post-WM period to about Summerslam time was really good stuff for the most part. There was the period from about April-July where the group of Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Tajiri, Shelton, HBK, and Evolution were having amazing matches every week.

Of course, this was all nearly negated by the suckitude of Smackdown around this time. It's all basically mentioned above. In hindsight, I don't mind JBL's push that much anymore, and I loved both of his PPV matches with Eddie, too. At least he gave us this gem...

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« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2009, 07:40:49 AM »
Really, nobody is going to mention 2004?

The inaugural Diva Search, Eugene, The Undertaker "killing" Paul Bearer, Benoit and Guerrero's poorly booked title reigns, HHH turning on Orton and their subsequent feud (extra negative points for this one), the never-ending JBL title program, Heidenreich, HHH getting traded for RVD and the Dudleys, the Kane-Lita-Matt Hardy saga, etc... As a fan for nearly two decades 2004 borderline ruined me as a WWE fan. It would take a while before I enjoyed the company again.

RVD and Eddie also somehow struggled to beat Rene Dupree and Kenzo Suzuki.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2009, 07:43:18 AM »
I thought that PPV with Nash vs HHH in the Hell in a Cell was the last good match Nash had, unless you consider his TNA Title match against Jarrett a good match which I do.

I want to change my stance that 2002 and 2003 were equal years....I'd say 2002-2006 were about equal in terms of crap and good quality. 2007 is where they started firing out more good than bad for me personally.

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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2009, 07:46:48 AM »
I came back during 2004.

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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2009, 08:19:59 AM »
Actually, the shitty name change falls in here as well.

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Surprised by this not being mentioned, but the fact they lost the WWF name in 2002 helps contribute to it being a bad year.

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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2009, 09:54:09 AM »
Eh, my fault. I didn't see it mentioned and searched for 'wwf' before posting that.

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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2009, 10:03:45 AM »
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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2009, 11:36:52 AM »
2002 was poop. 2003 gave us HEEL ROCK~ so it's better.

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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2009, 01:05:51 PM »
What I watched of 2004 (not very much, I admit) was good. Benoit getting the title at WMXX and Eddie Guerrero being awesome were the only things I remember from that year that I watched.

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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2009, 03:45:02 PM »
It's pretty much a tossup for me between 2002 and 2003. It was especially bad cuz I had only been watching WWE for about 2 years, so it sucked to see things go south in a hurry. There were some great matches that I enjoyed in 2002, so I'd probably have to say that 2003 was the worst.

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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2009, 04:16:04 PM »
Let's not forget that most of us were sick of Brock Lesnar by mid-2002 because of the ridiculous overpush. It wasn't until a little face and heel seasoning in 2003 he started to get good.

Boy, Brock really was a case of not appreciating what you had. Looking back, almost everything he did in those two years was pretty damn good.

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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2009, 01:37:24 AM »
We were sick of Brock by mid 02? He had only been around a few months. Yeah, he was pushed hard but it wasn't overbearing. He was usually only on one segment a week and just quickly destroyed someone. Plus Heyman did all of the talking. Maybe I am alone, but I don't remember being sick of Brock at all.

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« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2009, 02:05:12 AM »
I remember marking for Brock after he absolutly destroyed the hardys in 2002.  He was awsome.

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« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2009, 02:06:42 AM »
Everyone hated Brock until he either a) destroyed The Rock or b) F5ed Big Show.

2002 was bad, but I can't call it the worst year, since Smackdown was amazing for those few months. RAW was unwatachable.

Summerslam 2002 is a fantastic show

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« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2009, 02:51:46 AM »
Everyone hated Brock until he either a) destroyed The Rock or b) F5ed Big Show.

Now now, let's be fair.

There's also c) when he destroyed Hogan and d) the mariachi band.

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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2009, 04:06:00 AM »
Brock Lesnar wasn't over with me until he busted out that forklift to win his stretcher match with Big Show. Ever since HHH was randomly shown driving one with Flair giving him directions backstage on Raw once, I've been a mark for forklifts in wrestling.

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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2009, 05:20:25 AM »
I'm another guy that enjoyed Brock from the beginning, although I will admit that I didn't think he'd ever get to the top level.

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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2009, 05:43:01 AM »
His feud with Undertaker did him no favors. You know, the boring one that happened between The Rock and The Big Show. Although the F5 on packing peanuts was almost as good as Hell in a Cell.

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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2009, 06:04:29 AM »
Brock Lesnar wasn't over with me until he busted out that forklift to win his stretcher match with Big Show. Ever since HHH was randomly shown driving one with Flair giving him directions backstage on Raw once, I've been a mark for forklifts in wrestling.

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