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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2018, 01:53:08 PM »
Went to a good amount of PawSox games as a kid with lots of family in Rhode Island.  Used to love the portraits of the former players walking in.

Also from earlier in the thread, Kamala and the girlfriend revelation explains why we never talk anymore  :'(
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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #101 on: August 25, 2018, 01:42:58 AM »
End of an era in Pawtucket. The PawSox are moving to Worcester after the 2020 season. Essentially because the state of Massachusetts would give them money and Rhode Island wouldn’t.
PawSox moving to Worcester is a capital B BAD idea. IMO, there's no way that they'll be able to fill up a 12,000 seat stadium on a regular basis there when Fenway is less than 45 minutes away. Plus the proposed stadium (Polar Park! Only upside is  it'll be only park where you can get fresh seltzer on tap!) is in Kelley Square, which is one of the most hellacious intersections I've ever seen. Can't imagine this working well. I feel like Lucchino and co. are gonna regret this move quickly.

I have a bunch of friends in Worcester and their collective reaction is "Huh?". Not a bunch of excitement. Except for possibility that Ric Flair will show up for the inaugural WooSox game.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #102 on: August 28, 2018, 02:15:33 PM »
Went to my last Sea Dogs game of the year. They lost 8-4. Seems like most of the games I've been to this year have been them losing by four runs.  New Hampshire Fisher Cats have both Craig Biggio and Dante Bichette's kid playing for them. Bo Bichette definitely seems like a potential stud. Went 3 for 5 with two doubles and a homer. Fisher Cat Jon Berti also hit for the cycle. I think that's first time I've seen someone hit for the cycle. Cool stuff.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2018, 11:32:41 AM »
The Durham Bulls were forced to play the entire Governors Cup finals (International League championship) in scranton. I went to games one and five, got to see the Bulls celebrate. Great accomplishment for them, and I never want to hear minor league fans bitch about playoff home field again.

I’ve been out of my groove the last few years, but this year I managed to hit Citizens Bank Park and also visit the Lehigh Valley Ironpigs, Reading Fightin’ Phils, Clearwater Threshers, Lakewood Blueclaws and Williamsport Crosscutters. All five Phillies affiliates and the big club. Also got to the Futures Game, a Tampa Bay Rays game and several Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Railriders game. Good baseball summer.

The affiliation shuffle commences soon. Fresno and the Astros are not renewing. It seems likely the Astros will land with San Antonio’s new AAA team. If the Rangers and Round Rock renew that leaves Fresno, Las Vegas and Nashville to sort out the Nationals, Athletics and Brewers.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2018, 06:43:05 AM »
The Las Vegas 51s become the new affiliate of the Oakland A's. Hearing the Astros are actually heading to Round Rock. Assumption is San Antonio becomes a Rangers affiliate.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #105 on: September 18, 2018, 09:14:55 AM »
San Antonio remains with the Brewers (San Antonio moved from Colorado Springs, the Brewers’ previous affiliation. The Rangers sign an agreement with Nashville. That leaves the Nationals stuck with their AAA team in Fresno, California.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #106 on: May 15, 2019, 05:57:48 AM »

I guess this is one way to try and get fans to your minor league team's lame duck last season..

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #107 on: May 15, 2019, 06:20:06 AM »
It's a collegiate summer baseball league. That's not entirely inaccurate.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #108 on: May 26, 2019, 04:07:13 AM »
Just finished watching the first half of the women's college lacrosse NC final and, man, it is such a mindfuck to listen to Stugotz actually speak knowledgeably about a sport, instead of spitting refried hot takes.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #109 on: May 26, 2019, 04:11:54 AM »
In going down the rabbit hole of those Funko Pops, I found out that the Mariners minor league team the Everett AquaSox have their stadium sponsered by Funko and do several Pop Giveaways.

This August they are doing a special commerative Jay Buhner Aqua Sox Funko Pop and I feel like I need to take a trip to Everett, Washington.

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« Reply #110 on: July 30, 2019, 02:11:18 AM »
Deep dive on this one. I remember attending a USA/Japan exhibition in Scranton in my youth. Dig some digging and was able to find this gem.

http://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-1993-07-21-2937056-story.html

1993, a game that featured collegians Todd Helton, Todd Walker and Russ Johnson. Hiroki Kokubo of Japan went on to hit 413 home runs in Japan.

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« Reply #111 on: July 31, 2019, 12:16:55 PM »
There's a brother who went to Providence, playing for the US in the Pan Am Games, named David Duke, Jr. Does that amuse anybody besides me?

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #112 on: July 31, 2019, 12:42:22 PM »
I have some family ties to Providence so I did a double take the first time I saw him last year
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« Reply #113 on: July 31, 2019, 02:01:06 PM »
Also at the Pan An Games, gold medals were awarded today in dressage, mixed team trap shooting, and men's and women's squash. The United States won all four, which hardly seems surprising to me: if those aren't the three most MAGA sports in existence, they gotta be in the Top Ten, right?

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #114 on: July 31, 2019, 03:11:47 PM »
I need to find my old programs from the two Babe Ruth World Series in the 90s I was in (as bat boy). I am curious to see if ANY of those kids from across the country that descended to my town made it to the minors/majors. Statistically at least ONE of them, right? Also, indicative of human nature that even at the preteen to teen level of sports how many baseballs got shoved into the dugout for us to sign (yes, they even demanded bat boy sign, consistently).

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #115 on: August 14, 2019, 06:17:36 AM »
A man died during the Fresno Grizzlies' taco eating competition.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #116 on: August 27, 2019, 01:39:07 PM »
I went to what might be my last PawSox game tonight (unless I go next year).  It was the first time I was in a luxury suite thanks to my boss and her husband.  Highly recommended if you can swing it.  There might have been less than 500 people in the stadium and they looked like shit on offense, though (3 hits, losing 4-0).  I saw Chris Chavis and Rusney Castillo (the only two PawSox I recognized), so yay?

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #117 on: August 27, 2019, 02:13:44 PM »
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« Reply #118 on: August 27, 2019, 02:45:59 PM »
I went to what might be my last PawSox game tonight (unless I go next year).  It was the first time I was in a luxury suite thanks to my boss and her husband.  Highly recommended if you can swing it.  There might have been less than 500 people in the stadium and they looked like shit on offense, though (3 hits, losing 4-0).  I saw Chris Chavis and Rusney Castillo (the only two PawSox I recognized), so yay?

I had a ton of family in Rhode Island and lived there for a year when I was little so I remember taking many trips to McCoy as a kid.  It is weird to hear about them moving as even though I haven't been to a game in probably over 25 years, I still try to have a fresh PawSox hat in my hat rotation.
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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #119 on: August 28, 2019, 10:16:58 AM »
The Blake Bivens stuff is heartbreaking. A go fund me already has $33000 raised which is nice to see given the circumstances.

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« Reply #120 on: August 28, 2019, 10:21:35 AM »
I used to go to a ton of Pawsox games, I really liked McCoy Stadium, even moreso after the renovation. When I was a kid, being able to walk down the street and see a game any day for dirt cheap, was great. No Chance will I ever go to Worcester to see them now.

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #121 on: September 03, 2019, 10:57:34 AM »
Crazy game in Scranton today. The Railriders and Syracuse Mets found themselves in a one game playoff for the division crown. The Mets led 7-1 at the seventh inning stretch and then all he’ll broke loose.

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/scrantonwilkes-barre-railriders-punch-ticket-to-playoffs-with-big-comeback/c-310518030

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2019, 04:22:34 AM »

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Amazing that Gritty is doing personal appearances in Maine! What an ICON!

Meet & Greets are $100 (front row center ice tickets for Maine Mariners games are $24)! Go get that cheddar, Gritty!

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Re: The Minor League Sports Bullshit and Miscellania thread
« Reply #123 on: November 18, 2019, 04:14:57 AM »
A story making its way around the last month. MLB is seeking to reduce the number of minor league teams.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ny-minor-league-luhnow-madden-20191116-73ssnr7ybvdwzdr5vd44vh4e5m-story.html

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« Reply #124 on: November 18, 2019, 04:32:48 AM »
Which is stupid if your trying to grow the game. Also you mentioned it but the team in Williamsport is going to go bye bye, yet MLB going to play a game there. The stadium has been updated recently too.
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« Reply #125 on: November 18, 2019, 04:38:34 AM »
Maybe a hot take but I'm not really upset at that idea. Does there really NEED  to be seven Single A Leagues and five Rookie Ball leagues? And if it makes living conditions for minor league players better, I'm all for it. It's eliminating jobs but the jobs it's eliminating (at least, the playing jobs) aren't really much of a living at all. The guy selling popcorn in Lowell will probably lose out on more money than the Lowell Spinners shortstop.

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« Reply #126 on: November 18, 2019, 05:23:43 AM »
Maybe a hot take but I'm not really upset at that idea. Does there really NEED  to be seven Single A Leagues and five Rookie Ball leagues? And if it makes living conditions for minor league players better, I'm all for it. It's eliminating jobs but the jobs it's eliminating (at least, the playing jobs) aren't really much of a living at all. The guy selling popcorn in Lowell will probably lose out on more money than the Lowell Spinners shortstop.
I think the Appalachian League is expendable. The Pioneer League is on the same level but where else is someone in Montana going to see professional baseball? Professional baseball shouldn't just be a conduit to its highest level. There needs to be a place where players can play for a livable wage who aren't MLB quality but are still very good.

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« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2019, 05:55:23 AM »
Totally agreed. And I think more than any other sport, I think there's more of an appeal and demand to see baseball at low professional level.

Do you know pay is like in top level independent leagues Vs Double A and Single A, al? I remember from the FS1 docuseries on the Pecos League, they got pay (and living conditions) comparable to an Eastern European factory worker.

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« Reply #128 on: November 18, 2019, 06:14:14 AM »
Totally agreed. And I think more than any other sport, I think there's more of an appeal and demand to see baseball at low professional level.

Do you know pay is like in top level independent leagues Vs Double A and Single A, al? I remember from the FS1 docuseries on the Pecos League, they got pay (and living conditions) comparable to an Eastern European factory worker.
That's a good question. The Pecos League is absolute dirt lowest before you start playing semi-pro or amateur. Other indy leagues are marginally better. I found an article stating the Can-Am League had a team salary cap of $102,000 and the American Association has one of $115,000. That gets you to the level of Short Season A or Low A. The Atlantic League has team salaries of $225-275000, I think that is roughly comparable to AA baseball.

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« Reply #129 on: November 18, 2019, 06:24:09 AM »
That is still gruesomely low. That averages to $4.40 an hour for a AA player per my pidgin math.

It's baffling to me that pro baseball players being paid sub minimum wage isn't a bigger deal. Sure, a lot of their expense get paid for but what about during the offseason? Are the winter overseas leagues lucrative at all?

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« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2019, 06:38:17 AM »
Not a lot of their expenses are covered. Players need to find their own housing and often shack up with host families. Their travel is covered and they receive a per diem on the road but a portion of that is paid to the clubhouse attendant. Players don't get paid for the offseason, in fact minor league players aren't even paid for spring training. I don't know what players in the Caribbean make, but I do know some minor leaguers and prospects are playing in the Australian Winter League more.

One silver lining currently is that Korea is using more foreign players and paying them well.

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« Reply #131 on: November 20, 2019, 03:09:44 AM »
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The pay is worse, too. Atlantic League teams deal with a monthly payroll limit of $55,000 a month, and a hard cap on salaries of $3,000 a month per player. It’s not much, but it approximates a Triple-A salary. American Association clubs must stay below $125,000 for the entire roster for the whole season, although there are a couple of exceptions that allow teams to retain “star” players at higher salaries.

The further down you go, the worse the accommodations. There are the Midwest-set Frontier League and the East Coast’s Can-Am League, which announced a merger last month. The talent level there ranges from the equivalents of rookie league to Double A, the pay from $600 to $2,500 a month. Then there are smaller leagues that mostly escape the eyes of scouts. In the Pecos League, which has teams sprinkled across the Southwest from Kansas to California, players make $50 a week and drive their own cars to road games. Players sometimes come out of the Pecos League, but it’s extremely rare.

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« Reply #132 on: November 22, 2019, 03:26:35 AM »


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« Reply #133 on: November 22, 2019, 04:14:23 AM »
More than 100 members of Congress signed a letter condemning the proposal to shut down over 40 teams earlier this week.

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Wadeasekin. Maybe I'm reading this wrong but Congress safeguards the MLB system? How? No wonder why they were overly interested in the steroid scandal 15 years ago.

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« Reply #134 on: November 22, 2019, 01:24:21 PM »
After the Federal League collapsed it’s owners sued Major League Baseball claiming it constituted a monopoly. The Supreme Court said it didn’t, creating the antitrust exemption. The court won’t overturn that decision and has passed it along to Congress since. So MLB has an interest in keeping congress happy, lest congress legislates away MLB’s antitrust exemption.

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« Reply #136 on: November 22, 2019, 01:27:48 PM »
After the Federal League collapsed it’s owners sued Major League Baseball claiming it constituted a monopoly. The Supreme Court said it didn’t, creating the antitrust exemption. The court won’t overturn that decision and has passed it along to Congress since. So MLB has an interest in keeping congress happy, lest congress legislates away MLB’s antitrust exemption.
Oh I guess that explains why MLB is the only major sports league where no one has attempted to compete with for the past 50 years.

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« Reply #137 on: November 23, 2019, 01:39:45 AM »
Would anyone really watch a competing baseball league? There's been a dozen football leagues that have collapsed. The ABA and WHL folded into the NBA and NHL. There isn't enough talent to get into a separate baseball league.

I hope the owners of those minor league teams file a class action lawsuit against MLB. 
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« Reply #138 on: November 23, 2019, 08:31:09 AM »
The ramifications of the antitrust exemption is that the San Francisco Giants can assert territorial rights over San Jose and can stop the Athletics from moving there.

I don’t think a league could compete with MLB. But there’s the small matter of the labor agreement coming due. If MLB sees a work stoppage and there’s 6-8 cities that want Major League Baseball, suddenly the idea of a high independent league looks attractive. That’s a pipe dream. I could see a foreign league drawing interest in the event of a work stoppage though, at least temporarily.

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« Reply #139 on: November 24, 2019, 01:12:51 AM »
https://www.pressherald.com/2019/11/22/tacko-fall-makes-a-big-splash-at-boys-girls-club/
To lighten the mood a bit, Tacko Fall has enrolled in a swimming class while he plays for the Maine Red Claws.

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« Reply #140 on: November 25, 2019, 06:07:09 AM »
So MLB has an interest in keeping congress happy, lest congress legislates away MLB’s antitrust exemption.

I was going to make a joke earlier about when the POTUS candidates would start weighing in...