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2013 NFL Draft and UDFAs Thread
« on: November 07, 2012, 05:38:11 AM »
Yes, the Draft is 6 months away.  The college football season is winding down, however, and NFL teams are starting to jockey for draft positions as the season also draws near to its end.

So let's talking about Juniors and Seniors who can make an impact in the Draft.  If you watch Player X, feel free to comment about their prospects, strengths/weaknesses, or scheme fit.

I'll probably work my way position by position.  Names generally sorted by "rank" from NFL Draft Scout.  Some of these guys may be late rounders/UDFAs who can make a roster with the right team/right scheme fit.

QB Rankings - 4/7
01: E.J. Manuel [Florida State] ** Love his poise. Good pocket presence. Smart ability to check down. **
02: Ryan Nassib [Syracuse] ** Streaky. Not much help from receivers. Jay Cutler type good throws then a questionable throw or two. **
03: Tyler Wilson [Arkansas] ** Sound QB. Checks down. Pocket presence and poise to extend plays. **
04: Matt Barkley [USC] ** Smart, heady player. Lacks arm strength. Chad Pennington comp is apt. **
05: Geno Smith [West Virginia] ** Strong arm. Inconsistent accuracy. Pocket presence is a concern. **
06: Mike Glennon [NC State] ** Tall body. Solid arm. Reminds of Nick Foles in last year's class. Grown on me. **
07: Landry Jones [Oklahoma] ** Stronger armed Matt Barkley. Better NFL Pro than College. Climbs pocket but makes slow decisions. **
08: Sean Renfree [Duke] ** Solid in all facets, not great anywhere. Plays within himself and system. **
09: Brad Sorensen [Southern Utah] ** Good arm and touch. Small school level. Can he adjust to NFL speed? **
10: Jordan Rodgers [Vanderbilt] ** Shows flashes of ability. Better version of Matt Scott. **
11: Tyler Bray [Tennessee] ** Strong arm. WRs made him look great. Question his mental abilities/field IQ. **
12: Matt Scott [Arizona] ** Gritty and tough. Not as athletic as thought. Backup down the line, maybe. **
13: Zac Dysert [Northern Illinois] *Gunslinger mentality. Inconsistent in decision making. I liked Chandler Harnish much more.**

RB Rankings - 4/7
- Marcus Lattimore [South Carolina] - Total Package.  Injuries will make him slide on Draft Day.
- Stepfan Taylor [Stanford] - Package to be a 3 Down RB.  Reminds me a ton of how Arian Foster looked at Tennessee.
- Andre Ellington [Clemson] - Package to be a 3 Down RB.  Needs to learn to run inside the tackles.
- Mike Gillislee [Florida] - Potential to be a 3 Down RB.  Needs to finish his runs and run tougher overall.
- Giovani Bernard [North Carolina] - Potential to be a 4 Down RB.  Needs more consistency in running tough downhill.
- Christine Michael [Texas A&M] - Potential to be a 3 Down RB.  Needs to show ability as a receiver and stay out of trouble.
- Eddie Lacy [Alabama] - 2 Down Power Back in RBBC.
- Montee Ball [Wisconsin] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Kenjon Barner [Oregon] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Johnathan Franklin [UCLA] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Jawan Jamison [Rutgers] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Joseph Randle [Oklahoma State] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Mike James [Miami] - Change of Pace in RBBC.
- Rex Burkhead [Nebraska] - 2 Down Power Back in RBBC.
- Le'Veon Bell [Michigan State] - Change of Pace in RBBC.

WRs - Ranking 4/7
01: Tavon Austin [West Virginia]
02: Cordarrelle Patterson [Tennessee]
03: Robert Woods [USC]
04: DeAndre Hopkins [Clemson]
05: Quinton Patton [Louisiana Tech]
06: Tavarres King [Georgia]
07: Stedman Bailey [West Virginia]
08: Justin Hunter [Tennessee]
09: Marquise Goodwin [Texas]
10: Aaron Dobson [Marshall]
11: Keenan Allen [California]
12: Markus Wheaton [Oregon State]
13: Kenny Stills [Oklahoma]
14: Da'Rick Rogers [Tennessee Tech]
15: Ryan Swope [Texas A&M]
16: Terrance Williams [Baylor]
17: Conner Vernon [Duke]
18: Aaron Mellette [Elon]
19: Josh Boyce [TCU]
20: Cobi Hamilton [Arkansas]

2013 Pro Day Stock Gone Up - 40, Vertical, Broad, Bench, 3 Cone
QB Jeff Tuel (Washington State 6'3 218): 4.60 - 32" - 9'3 - XX - 6.90 [Signed with Buffalo Bills as UDFA]
RB Ray Holley (Louisiana Tech 5'8 194): 4.56 - 37.5" - 9'11 - 27 - 6.85 [Signed with Baltimore Ravens as UDFA]
RB Onterio McCalebb (Auburn 5'10 196): 4.33 - 37" - 10'10 - 10 - 7.01 [Signed with Cincinnati Bengals as UDFA]
RB Mike Cox (UMass 6'0 220): 4.58 - 38" - 10'7 - 24 - 6.87 [[[DRAFTED - 7x47 by New York Giants]]]
RB/WR Omarius Hines (Florida 6'0 215): 4.50 - 34.5" - 10'2 - 18 - 6.45 [Signed with Baltimore Ravens as UDFA]
RB Kendial Lawrence (Missouri 5'8 194): 4.33 - 37" - 10'5 - 19 - 6.95 [Signed with Dallas Cowboys as UDFA]
RB Latavius Murray (UCF 6'2 223): 4.38 - 36" - 10'4 - 22 - 6.81 [[[DRAFTED - 6x13 by Oakland Raiders]]]
RB Jerry Williams (Furman 5'10 203): 4.51 - 39.5" - 10'1 - XX - 6.90 [Signed with Minnesota Vikings as UDFA]
RB/FB Zach Line (SMU 6'1 230): 4.62 - 33" - 9'9 - XX - 7.12 [Signed with Minnesota Vikings as UDFA]
RB/FB Ronnie Wingo (Oklahoma 6'1 231): 4.46 - 33" - 9'9 - 18 - 7.47 [Signed with Atlanta Falcons as UDFA]
RB/CB Akeem Shavers (Purdue 5'10 198): 4.35 - 39.5" - 10'10 - 19 - XX [Signed with Tampa Bay Buccaneers as UDFA]
FB Kyle Juszczyk (Harvard 6'1 248): 4.71 - 37" - 10'1 - 24 - 6.93 [[[DRAFTED - 4x33 by Baltimore Ravens]]]
FB/LB Alex Debniak (Stanford 6'2 236): 4.62 - 33.5" - 10'3 - XX - 6.94 [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
FB/LB Toben Opurum (Kansas 6'1 249): 4.61 - 34.5" - 10'4 - 24 - 7.28
WR Jheranie Boyd (North Carolina 6'1 187): 4.43 - 42" - 11'0 - 14 - 7.03
WR Jaron Brown (Clemson 6'2 204): 4.40 - 35.5" - 10'4 - 17 - 6.82
WR Brice Butler (San Diego State 6'3 214): 4.37 - 39" - 10'9 - XX - 6.70 [[[DRAFTED - 7x03 by Oakland Raiders]]]
WR Dominique Croom (Central Arkansas 6'2 189): 4.52 - 38.5" - 10'3 - XX - 6.87 [Signed with Cleveland Browns as UDFA]
WR Trey Diller (Sam Houston State 6'1 197): 4.47 - 37.5" - 10'9 - 11 - 7.31 [Signed with Carolina Panthers as UDFA]
WR Reginald Dunn (Utah 5'9 178): 4.25 - 36" - 10'1 - 17 - 6.85
WR Charles Johnson (Grand Valley State 6'2 215): 4.38 - 39.5" - 11'1 - 14 - 6.96 [[[DRAFTED - 7x10 by Green Bay Packers]]]
WR Jerry Johnson (UCLA 6'2 207): 4.50 - 36" - 10'0 - 10 - 7.26
WR Josh Lenz (Iowa State 5'11 201): 4.36 - 38.5" - 10'1 - 20 - 6.59 [Signed with Chicago Bears as UDFA]
WR Uzoma Nwachukwu (Texas A&M): 4.45 - 39.5" - 10'10 - XX - 6.78 [Signed with Houston Texans as UDFA]
WR Rico Richardson (Jackson State 6'0 167): 4.38 - 35.5" - 10'1 - 12 - 6.77 [Signed with Kansas City Chiefs as UDFA]
WR Terrell Sinkfield (Northern Iowa 6'0 199): 4.33 - 40.5" - 11'5 - 12 - 6.94 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
WR Luke Swift (Miami Ohio 6'1 184): 4.53 - 37" - 10'6 - 8 - 6.70
WR/DB Russell Shepherd (LSU 6'1 196): 4.46 - 38.5" - 10'2 - 8 - 7.09 [Signed with Philadelphia Eagles as UDFA]
TE Joseph Fauria (UCLA 243): 4.72 - 35.5" - 10'0 - XX - 7.49 [Signed with Detroit Lions as UDFA]
TE Josh Hill (Idaho State 6'5 246): 4.63 - 36.5" - 10'7 - 20 - 7.10
TE Mike Shanahan (Pittsburgh 6'4 241): 4.81 - 30.5" - 9'6 - 18 - 7.34 [Signed with New York Jets as UDFA]
TE Levine Toilolo (Stanford 6'8 259): 4.77 - 33.5" - 9'9 - 19 - XX [[[DRAFTED - 4x36 by Atlanta Falcons]]]
TE Luke Willson (Rice 6'5 251): 4.46 - 38" - 10'2 - 23 - 7.04  [[[DRAFTED - 5x25 by Seattle Seahawks]]]
OL Jake Bscherer (Minnesota-Duluth 6'6 305): 5.22 - 32.5" - 9'1 - 18 - XX
OL Nick Embernate (San Diego State 6'4 304): 5.18 - 26" - 8'6 - 21 - 7.73 [Signed with Pittsburgh Steelers as UDFA]
OL Josh Kline (Kent State 6'2 307): 5.12 - 27" - 8'5 - 25 - 7.66 [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
OL Wade Jacobson (Washington State 6'6 303): 5.08 - 38" - 9'6 - 22 - 7.60
OL Ryan Jensen (Colorado-State Pueblo 6'4 317): 5.23 - 25.5" - 8'2 - 30 - 7.69 [[[DRAFTED - 6x35 by Baltimore Ravens]]]
OL Chris McDonald (Michigan State 6'4 300): 4.97 - 28" - 9'0 - 31 - 7.40 [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
OL Patrick Omameh (Michigan 6'4 303): 5.19 - 27" - 8'11 - 22 - XX [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
OL Ryan Schraeder (Valdosta State 6'7 304): 5.13 - 31.5" - 9'2 - 24 - 7.47 [Signed with Atlanta Falcons as UDFA]
OL Ivory Wade (Baylor 6'4 313): 5.11 - 27" - 8'3 - 26 - 7.46 [Signed with Pittsburgh Steelers as UDFA]
OL Duane Zlatnik (Kansas 6'3 312): 5.26 - 25" - 9'1 - 24 - 7.87
DE Mike Catapano (Princeton 6'4 271): 4.75 - 37.5" - 9'8 - 33 - 7.09 [[[DRAFTED - 7x01 Kansas City Chiefs]]]
DE Travis Chappelear (Northwest Missouri State 6'5 275): 4.70 - 37" - XX - 34 - XX [Signed with Cincinnati Bengals as UDFA]
DE Glenn Foster (Illinois 6'3 286): 4.79 - 39.5" - 10'9 - 29 - 7.15 [Signed with New Orleans Saints as UDFA]
DE Lawrence Okoye (6'5 304): 4.78 - 35" - 10'5 - XX - XX [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
DE Malliciah Goodman (Clemson 6'4 273): 4.67 - 33" - 9'9" - 26 - 7.10 [[[DRAFTED - 4x30 by Atlanta Falcons]]]
DE/LB Rufus Johnson (Tarleton State 6'5 266): 4.75 - 34.5" - 10'2 - XX - 7.69 [[[DRAFTED - 6x15 by New Orleans Saints]]]
DE/LB Shane McCardell (Mississippi State 6'4 247): 4.66 - 35" - 10'0 - 11 - 7.09
DE/LB John Simon (Ohio State 6'1 257): 4.68 - 34" - 10'1 - XX - 7.10 [[[DRAFTED - 4x32 by Baltimore Ravens]]]
DT A.J. Francis (Maryland 6'5 309): 5.19 - 29" - 9'4 - 24 - 7.45 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
DT John Jenkins (Georgia 6'4 343): 5.29 - 34.5" - 8'0 - XX - 7.74 [[[DRAFTED - 3x20 by New Orleans Saints]]]
DT Byron Jerideau (South Carolina 6'0 334): 5.16 - 25" - 7'9 - 37 - 7.62 [Signed with San Diego Chargers as UDFA]
DT Anthony McCloud (Florida State 6'2 305): 5.21 - 28.5" - 8'5 - 24 - 8.19
DT Mike Purcell (Wyoming 6'3 305): 5.18 - 31.5" - 9'8 - 26 - XX [Signed with San Francisco 49ers as UDFA]
DT Adam Replogle (Indiana 6'2 299): 5.08 - 31.5" - 8'10 - 38 - 7.62 [Signed with Atlanta Falcons as UDFA]
LB Kiko Alonso (Oregon 6'3 235): 4.74 - 30.5" - 9'9 - XX - 6.93 [[[DRAFTED - 2x14 by Buffalo Bills]]]
LB Maalik Bomar (Cincinnati 6'1 233): 4.69 - 34.5" - 9'7 - 19 - 6.92 [Signed with Jacksonville Jaguars as UDFA]
LB Armonty Bryant (East Central 6'5 259): 4.69 - 34.5" - 10'1 - 15 - 7.14 [[[DRAFTED - 7x11 by Cleveland Browns]]]
LB Michael Clay (Oregon 5'11 230): 4.76 - 31.5" - 9'6 - 23 - 6.73 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
LB Ja'Gared Davis (SMU 6'0 238): 4.78 - 32.5" - 9'9 - 14 - 7.26 [Signed with Houston Texans as UDFA]
LB Brandon Hepburn (Florida A&M 6'3 241): 4.54 - 36" - XX - XX - 7.31 [[[DRAFTED - 7x39 by Detroit Lions]]]
LB Nico Johnson (Alabama 6'2 250): 4.74 - 32" - 9'2 - XX - 7.37 [[[DRAFTED - 4x02 by Kansas City Chiefs]]]
LB Jake Knott (Iowa State 6'2 241): 4.75 - 34" - 9'5 - 20 - 7.16 [Signed with Philadelphia Eagles as UDFA]
LB Kevin Minter (LSU 6'0 245): 4.67 - 34.5" - 9'6 - XX - 7.39 [[[DRAFTED - 2x13 by Arizona Cardinals]]]
LB Craig Wilkins (Old Dominion 6'1 238): 4.54 - 36" - 10'4 - 28 - 7.85 [Signed with Seattle Seahawks as UDFA]
CB Camerron Cheatham (Cincinnati 5'8 187): 4.43 - 36" - 9'8 - 11 - 6.76
CB Marcus Cooper (Rutgers 6'2 192): 4.45 - 39.5" - 10'9 - 20 - 6.89 [[[DRAFTED - 7x46 by San Francisco 49ers]]]
CB Jeremy Harris (New Mexico State 6'2 181): 4.48 - 36.5" - 10'5 - 5 - 6.99
CB Andre Martin Jr. (North Dakota State 5'10 183): 4.46 - 35.5" - 9'10 - 17 - 6.94
CB Stephon Morris (Penn State 5'8 188): 4.35 - 35.5" - 10'0 - XX - XX [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
CB Nickell Roby (USC 5'8 172) 4.35 - 40.5" - 10'4 - 11 - XX [Signed with Buffalo Bills as UDFA]
CB Devin Smith (Wisconsin 5'10 182): 4.49 - XX - 10'3 - 17 - 6.67
CB Mitchell White (Michigan State 5'11 184): 4.42 - 33" - 9'11 - 14 - 6.76
CB C.J. Wilson (North Carolina State 5'11 195): 4.34 - 37" - 10'6 - 17 - 6.90
CB/WR Demetrius McCray (Appalachian State 6'5 185): 4.47 - 40.5" - 11' - 8 - XX [[[DRAFTED - 7x04 by Jacksonville Jaguars]]]
S Tunde Bakare (Kansas 5'9 202): 4.60 - 33.5" - 9'10 - 21 - 7.03
S Akeem Davis (Memphis 6'0 200): 4.45 - 39.5" - 10'6 - 19 - 7.53 [Signed with Seattle Seahawks as UDFA]
S Cody Davis (Texas Tech 6'2 203): 4.41 - 41.5" - 10'3 - 15 - 6.78
S Kanorris Davis (Troy State 5'9 211): 4.60 - 37" - 10'1 - 21 - 7.07 [Signed with New England Patriots as UDFA]
S Don Jones (Arkansas State 5'11 191): 4.40 - 42" - 10'7 - 17 - 7.19 [[[DRAFTED - 7x44 by Miami Dolphins]]]
S Jordan Kovacs (Michigan 5'11 205): 4.57 - 35" - 10'2 - 16 - 6.70 [Signed with Miami Dolphins as UDFA]
S Joseph LeBeau (Jackson State 6'0 217): 4.53 - 35.5" - 10'7 - 26 - 7.34
S Ray Polk (Colorado 6'1 220): 4.40 - 39" - 10'6 - 19 - 7.10
S Cooper Taylor (Richmond 6'5 228): 4.49 - 36.5" - 10'7 - 23 - 6.96 [[[DRAFTED - 5x19 by New York Giants]]]
S Phillip Thomas (Fresno State 6'1 209): 4.59 - XX - XX - XX - 6.78 [[[DRAFTED - 4x22 by Washington Redskins]]]

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 05:41:50 AM »
Do QBs next, plz. Thanks.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 06:55:40 AM »
Do QBs next, plz. Thanks.

Added my QB rankings (listed my Top 10 QBs).  I'm probably higher on Manuel, Nassib, & Klein than most whereas I'm lower on Tyler Wilson & Mike Glennon than most.

I was low on Ponder in the 2011 Draft and he's been fairly average (7-12, 23 TD vs 21 INT) despite having solid talent around him.  I was arguably higher on Gabbert than most and he's been below average on a much weaker team offensively (5-17, 21 TD vs 16 INT).

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 07:02:09 AM »
It'd be neat if the Packers get Montee Ball

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 07:24:16 AM »
Why would you want the Packers to draft a bust?

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 07:57:17 AM »
I dont watch college football at all anymore.  Has he looked bad this season?

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 08:00:06 AM »
Kinda. I still think he's worth a later round pick and could be a really good back.


koab [8:27 PM]
damn i thought you guys were good little cucks who would shit themselfs so a POC could peacefully protest

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 08:03:22 AM »
If the problem is that recent Wisconsin running backs haven't panned out in the NFL and, therefore, none of them ever will...well, that kind of analysis is best left to the experts in Bristol.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 09:34:34 AM »
Montee Ball is smaller and faster in pads than Ron Dayne, PJ Hill, John Clay, etc. so I don't get how the "Wisconsin" curse comes in regards to him.

Also Ron Dayne was the only highly drafted Wisconsin RB recently so he's worthy of the bust level.  PJ Hill & Clay were late round/UDFAs so their lack of success or moderate success shouldn't surprise anybody.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 11:34:35 AM »
I don't get it either.  Unless Montee completely fell off this year, I think he could do alright in the NFL.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2012, 03:31:23 AM »
- P Sam Martin (Appalachian State) will likely be a Priority Free Agent.  Averaging up to 45.1 YPP this season.

Teams that could be in the market for a punter: Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders (46.9 Average but only 7/43 inside 20), Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2012, 05:59:54 AM »
Added a handful of WRs to the first post.  There are other names (ala Russell Shepard out of LSU) but I'm not as familiar with them.

For me... a real game breaking WR needs to not only show speed but show enough speed so if that opposing DB were a hair faster, said WR could still get by them vertically or break the tackle and get more yards.  When WRs are struggling to break tackles or seem to be barely getting any separation (see Williams as an example of this IMO) that's not a good sign for their downfield NFL prospects.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 07:08:06 AM »
Don't trust a dude named Russell out of LSU.


I can't believe a guy can be that big, and jump around like he does what a great athlete!

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2012, 05:23:05 PM »
I've heard theories that Alabama players are somewhat disappointing in the NFL because Saban coaches his players up so well that they've already reached most or all of their potential. In other words, they lack upside. Obviously, Trent Richardson and Julio Jones are exceptions, but there's a whole glut of others that aren't necessarily tearing it up.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2012, 10:00:23 AM »
Or most just aren't that good....

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2012, 10:01:01 AM »
Rolando McClain comes to mind as well as Mt. Cody.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2012, 10:35:30 AM »
I pity anyone who needs a quarterback in this draft. I just pity them.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 10:39:06 AM »
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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2012, 04:18:02 AM »
DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine (Florida State) tore his ACL and likely won't be ready for the start of the 2013 NFL Season.  He has 2nd Round ability though so it's worth keeping an eye on where he falls in the Draft.  A big reason teams get steals in R3-7 is due to said player being 'injured'.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2012, 07:50:35 AM »
I pity anyone who needs a quarterback in this draft. I just pity them.

Geno will be fine when he's on a team with an actual defense.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2012, 05:46:03 AM »
Honey Badger declared.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2012, 04:59:37 PM »
Hope that dude slips like a motherfucker and Chicago gets him as the heir to the Hester return man throne

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2012, 02:00:53 AM »
Juniors Declaring
NC State CB David Amerson (Junior) has reportedly declared himself for the NFL Draft.
Missouri DT Sheldon Richardson (Junior) has also declared himself for the NFL Draft.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2012, 02:35:38 AM »
Just added a ranking of the Senior DTs.  Note that I didn't list a few since I couldn't find anything on them yet.

I'm calling it now that DT John Jenkins will be a major bust unless a team can get his weight down to 315-325 and teach him some technique.

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Re: Official 2013 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2012, 02:57:53 AM »
I'll probably go team by team periodically for draft needs.

Oakland Raiders
- DL: Preferably a DT who can penetrate up the gap.  Ideally they would take Star out of Utah and transition to more of a Hybrid Front.
- ILB/MLB: Somebody to replace Rolando McClain and call the D. Could go FA to fill this role.
- QB: Carson Palmer has maybe 1 year, 2 tops left. He's lost arm strength and makes questionable reads.  Probably a 3rd-5th Rounder pick.
- FB: They need a real road grader type lead blocker. If he can catch, it's a bonus.
- CB: They need guys who can tackle in 1-1 situations more than anything, IMO. Coverage would be nice but tackling is mandatory.
- LT/C: They could use an upgrade at LT.  If Barnes is healthy at RT, he's very solid (especially in that Cleveland game).  The Gs came over from Houston and should help more with a year under their belt.

I think Oakland can get by with Marcel Reece at RB next year (maybe get some UDFAs who fit the scheme).  Oakland has ingredients to be a solid offense (Criner at WR made a standout block on a 12 yard run in that Cleveland game.  I LOVE to see stuff like that) but just need to get the pieces to gel together.

If Oakland can get a true lead blocker at FB, I think that alone could help improve the running game ten fold.

The emphasis should primarily be on defense, however.  They need disruptors along the DL (ala Raji in GB) and solid talent inside at LB.  The secondary can use depth and emphasis on tackling CBs should be made.  There's a world of difference when a CB can take a guy down after a 5 yard pass as opposed to allowing an 11-12 yard pass play because the WR broke their ankle tackle.

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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2012, 05:23:04 AM »
Updated with my rankings of OLBs.  There are maybe 6 guys I like and a handful of latter guys.

I like Mingo a little more overall but Jones could be a great pass rusher (though he looks thin for his size).

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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2012, 06:46:18 AM »
I like Damontre Moore as an edge guy more than all of them. Has both inside and outside moves and can fight through blockers. Really strong against the run.


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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2012, 07:34:00 AM »
I like Demonte Moore as an edge guy more than all of them. Has both inside and outside moves and can fight through blockers. Really strong against the run.

Yeah, gonna do the DEs up later this week.

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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2012, 06:02:38 AM »
Ranked 14 DEs expected to go R1-3/4.  Curious to see what 909 thinks and where he may differ.

Also WR Keenan Allen has reportedly declared.

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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2012, 06:44:27 AM »
Scott Van Pelt Just pointed out that if the Raiders had selected the next person in the draft from 2004 till now, the Raiders Offense would consist of CJ Spiller,Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Aaron Rodgers.

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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2012, 06:51:42 AM »
Scott Van Pelt Just pointed out that if the Raiders had selected the next person in the draft from 2004 till now, the Raiders Offense would consist of CJ Spiller,Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Aaron Rodgers.

So they would be able to score a lot but still not stop anybody from scoring?
Not to mention, either Calvin or Larry would have been gone because they would not have been able to keep everyone. And Aaron would have died behind that slapdash offensive line.

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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2012, 07:56:27 AM »
Ranked 14 DEs expected to go R1-3/4.  Curious to see what 909 thinks and where he may differ.

Also WR Keenan Allen has reportedly declared.

I waver a lot back and forth between Moore and Werner as the best guy. Not sure if I like Breslin, but he has a good motor and speed. I don't like Dion Jordan all that much. He is very fast but seems to rush standing too straight and has minimal power. If he improves his posture that could help him to have more strength when fighting through linemen.


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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2012, 09:14:00 AM »
Werner will frustrate the shit out of you for a little while. Some games he looks like an unstoppable wrecking force hell bent on the death of the offensive players. Then he'll have a game that will leave you wondering was he even on the field. Considering he has not been playing football incredibly long (only since like 15), I'm leaning more towards raw talent that just needs time and coaching, and getting a good coach is going to be key. He is a pure beast when he learns more because he has a lot of tools and talent.

I think he would really benefit from another year of college but at the same time, would not blame him for leaving.

If you need someone who is going to be every game destruction and you have no time to wait for him to grow, he's not the guy you want to pick. If you are fine with waiting for him and can accept he is going to be inconsistent at the start, take him.

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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2012, 01:27:54 AM »
I just watched the "top" 4 TEs and... yech.  I don't like this TE class at all if those guys are deemed the best so I'm not even gonna bother ranking them.

I should have the MLB/ILB rankings up shortly though.

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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2012, 01:39:58 AM »
Ziggy Ansah out of BYU also only has like two years of playing under his belt and is really coachable. Could be a great steal for a team if they have good DL coach, he was a track guy and plays all over the field.

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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2012, 02:21:46 AM »
Ranked my MLBs.  If your team needs an ILB/MLB, better hope they can get a FA or manage to shift a rookie OLB over.

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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2012, 04:52:22 AM »
Lattimore is entering.

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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2012, 05:01:45 AM »
Ranked my MLBs.  If your team needs an ILB/MLB, better hope they can get a FA or manage to shift a rookie OLB over.

Yeah, I'm really not a fan of these guys. Will be interesting to see how Ryan Shazier slots in should he declare after next season.


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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2012, 05:50:25 AM »
DT Jonathan Hankins of Ohio State will declare.


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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2012, 10:30:14 AM »
RB Knile Davis is entering the NFL Draft.  Missed 2011 with a broken left ankle and only ran for 377 yards this year.  He's also broken his right ankle twice and collarbone twice.

I'll be surprised if he's a mid-round pick or better.  I expect a 6th-7th Round pick at best as I hated him last year.  He's listed at 6'2" 226 so it wouldn't surprise me if a team asks him to bulk up to FB.

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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2012, 02:24:29 AM »
Added my OT and OG rankings.  Love the Texas A&M OTs and Chance Warmack is solid.  Gabe Jackson has potential to be a beast at G too.

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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2012, 03:14:24 AM »
Updated my QB Rankings!

Geno Smith & Matt Barkley would be around that Ryan Tannehill/Brandon Weeden range if coming out last year.  I think the 2nd/3rd Round is stacked with similar talent and QB Mike Glennon has a shot at being a 1st Rounder IMO.  I think if a team wants to trade down, they won't hurt too much going for anybody in the Glennon/Nassib/Manuel/Dysert group.

Aaron Murray would be smart to stay at Georgia for his Sr. Season.  Otherwise he can get thrown into the above tier.

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« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2012, 04:02:04 AM »
How on earth does Aaron Murray still have a year of eligibility. It feels like he's been at Georgia for 10 years.

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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2012, 04:11:06 AM »
I know, I thought he immediately succeeded Stafford. That dude should be done by now. He's got nothing on Robert fucking Marve though, who's on like his 8th year of eligibility.

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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2012, 04:58:51 PM »
I like a lot of things about Manti Te'o, but I can't believe the top-5 hype he's been getting. Not many linebackers go in the top 10, let alone top 5. Even the 3-4 pass-rushing Von Miller types rarely go that high, and those are the types that are actually worthy of that designation. But I know the media and certain segments of fans have fallen in love with him. I just hope my team isn't the one that gets suckered in.

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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2012, 06:21:41 AM »
Ranked the top 16 WRs in the draft (in my opinion).  Some guys grew in my eyes e.g. Terrance Williams and a lot I kind of lowered/soured on e.g. Aaron Mellette.

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« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2012, 03:48:36 AM »
WR Justin Hunter of Tennessee has opted to enter the draft.

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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2012, 08:35:36 AM »
Not gonna bother with any rankings but I'm just throwing this out here for hindsight viewing...

The only TEs that matter in this draft?  All JRs (Tyler Eifert, Zach Ertz, and Jordan Reed).

If Tyler Eifert comes out, HE WILL BUST!.  He should go in the early to middle 2nd Round but will probably get grabbed in the late 1st by a TE desperate team.  I was talking earlier with MFer about Brandon Pettigrew and Eifert is a similar player.  Solid enough blocker with above average straight line speed but he has next to no lateral quickness and struggled to get separation at the college level.

His inability to separate will greatly hinder any YAC at the NFL level and he's largely maxed out his size at 6'5" 252 pounds.  He has enough speed to go vertical but I can't see him beating out LBs or NBs often.  At best he'll be a marginal receiving TE who can help block but he won't be the vertical stretch TE averaging 12-13 YPR.

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« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2012, 10:14:18 AM »
Maybe Notre Dame tight ends are the new Wisconsin RB's or USC QB's? Anthony Fasano is average at best. John Carlson didn't work out in Seattle and is now backing up fellow Irishman Kyle Rudolph in Minnesota. I think Rudolph has a ton of potential, but so far, he's just a guy who gets red-zone TD's and little else.

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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2012, 03:09:08 AM »
Added my thoughts on footwork & release with the QB Rankings.

Re-watched Peyton, Brady, and Brees in college.  They all had solid footwork but more importantly they had quick (Peyton) or compact releases with above average to good drive (aka zip) on their throws.  I noticed Brady putting similar zip on his throws in college that he's done over & over in the NFL, mainly on those 8-15 yard routes.

Guys like QB Matt Barkley and QB Tyler Wilson came off better looking at them this way whereas guys like QB Zac Dysert didn't look as strong.

Keys to a Good QB: Average+ footwork.  Quick or Compact Delivery (compare Peyton vs Leftwich as an extreme example).  Above average to good zip on their throws (especially in the intermediate range).