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Starting up my annual Draft Thread! Currently, the big QB names are Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields with the Jaguars owning the #1 pick. I'll update the first post with a more finite NFL Draft order after tonight's game.

Round 1
1.01 Jacksonville Jaguars
1.02 New York Jets
1.03 San Francisco 49ers (via Miami, via Houston)
1.04 Atlanta Falcons
1.05 Cincinnati Bengals
1.06 Miami Dolphins (via Philadelphia)
1.07 Detroit Lions
1.08 Carolina Panthers
1.09 Denver Broncos
1.10 Dallas Cowboys
1.11 New York Giants
1.12 Philadelphia Eagles (via Miami, via San Francisco)
1.13 Los Angeles Chargers
1.14 Minnesota Vikings
1.15 New England Patriots
1.16 Arizona Cardinals
1.17 Las Vegas Raiders
1.18 Miami Dolphins
1.19 Washington Football Team
1.20 Chicago Bears
1.21 Indianapolis Colts
1.22 Tennessee Titans
1.23 New York Jets (from Seattle)
1.24 Pittsburgh Steelers
1.25 Jacksonvile Jaguars (from LA Rams)
1.26 Cleveland Browns
1.27 Baltimore Ravens
1.28 New Orleans Saints
1.29 Green Bay Packers
1.30 Buffalo Bills
1.31 Baltimore Ravens (from Kansas City Chiefs)
1.32 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 
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Here's a quick 'Hit List' of notable names at QB, RB, and WR. No order. A * denotes Junior.

QBs: Trevor Lawrence*, Justin Fields*, Kyle Trask, Mac Jones*, Zach Wilson*, Brady White, Shane Buechele, Ian Book, Brock Purdy*, Trey Lance, Jarret Doege*, Sam Ehlinger, Kellen Mond, Zac Thomas, Drew Plitt, Charlie Brewer

RBs: Najee Harris, Travis Etienne, Michael Carter, Khalil Herbert, Mohamed Ibrahim*, Jaret Patterson*, Leddie Brown*, Larry Rountree III, Spencer Brown, Elijah Mitchell, Trey Sermon

WRs: DeVonta Smith, Elijah Moore*, Javon McKinley, Jaelon Darden, Dyami Brown*, Marlon Williams, Amari Rodgers, Kadarius Toney, Tylan Wallace, Cornell Powell, Dez Fitzpatrick, Mike Harley, D'Wayne Eskridge, Seth Williams*, Kaylon Geiger, Emeka Emezie, Taj Harris*, Bailey Gaither
 
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A lot of notable players have declared for the NFL Draft thus far including QB Mac Jones (Alabama), RB Javonte Williams (North Carolina), RB Chubba Hubbard (Oklahoma State), WR Jaylen Waddle (Alabama), WR Ja'Marr Chase (LSU), WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (USC), WR Dyami Brown (North Carolina), WR Sage Surratt (Wake Forest), WR Blake Proehl (East Carolina), TE Kyle Pitts (Florida), TE Hunter Long (Boston College), DE Ronnie Perkins (Oklahoma), DT Tyler Shelvin (LSU), OLB Micah Parsons (Penn State), OLB Zaven Collins (Tulsa), OLB Chris Rumph (Duke), CB Patrick Surtain II (Alabama), CB Shaun Wade (Ohio State), CB Tyson Campbell (Georgia), CB Asante Samuel (Florida State), CB Ifeatu Melifonwu (Syracuse), S Jamar Johnson (Indiana)

There is no official NFL Combine this off-season so Pro Days will be imperative and may effect the 5th-7th Round a lot like the 2020 NFL Draft.
 

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Time to kick things off :)

2021 QB Rankings
#1: Trevor Lawrence 6'5 1/2" 213. Runaway Stud. 1x01 Jacksonville
#2: Zach Wilson 6'2" 214. I like him. Could be either Jared Goff or Sam Darnold/Daniel Jones depending on the situation he finds himself in. 1x02 NY Jets
#3: Trey Lance. 2nd Rate Kyler Murray. Not as fast. Better arm than one would think. 1x03 San Francisco
#4: Mac Jones. Good arm. Andy Dalton vibes. Can win with him in the NFL. Don't know if he can carry a team to the Super Bowl on his back though. 1x15 New England
#5: Jamie Newman. Liked him last year. Dak Prescott vibes. Plays bigger than his talent and raises teammates around him. Sleeper. UDFA - Philadelphia
#6: Justin Fields 6'2 1/2" 227. Streaky. Very Cam Newton-esque (good & bad). Strikes me as a QB who'll be propped up by his weapons rather than vice versa. 1x11 Chicago
#7: Davis Mills. Good arm and touch. Reminds me of Baker Mayfield. Confidence can make him force risky decision throws that result in bad plays and good plays. If he lands in a great system with weapons, could be the 2nd best QB in this class. If he lands in a poor system, could be 2019 Baker Mayfield in Cleveland. 3x03 Houston
#7: Feleipe Franks. Riser for me. Has some weird 'weak' throws but can spin it when he puts some oomph behind it. QB Coaching will be key here. UDFA - Atlanta
#8: Shane Buechele. Better QB than most people give him credit for. Wouldn't surprise me if he's a Kirk Cousins/Gardner Minshew that starts multiple seasons. UDFA - Kansas City
#9: Kyle Trask 6'5" 236. Played on shitty teams but bailed out by weapons at times. Risk-taker/gambler. The ceiling would be Eli Manning, the floor would be Josh Freeman. 2x32 Tampa Bay
#10: Peyton Ramsey. Solid. Probable backup role carved out in the NFL. Could sneak in some starts ala Taylor Heinicke.
#11: Kellen Mond 6'2 1/2" 211. Very good college QB but I've never seen "IT" with him for the NFL level. Could be a mid-round pick or a late-round pick. I'm just lukewarm on him. 3x02 Minnesota
#12: Sam Ehlinger. Is what he is as a QB. Arm strength is average. 6x34 Indianapolis
#13: K.J. Costello. Inconsistent. Looked good against LSU, struggled most of the year in a very QB-friendly offense.
#14: Ian Book 6'0" 211. Same thoughts as last year. Would be better off converting over to WR. 4x28 New Orleans
 
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Harley Quinn's 2021 RB Rankings

#1: Travis Etienne 1x25 Jacksonville
#2: Javonte Williams 5'9 1/2" 212 2x03 Denver
#3: Najee Harris 1x24 Pittsburgh
#4: Michael Carter 5'8" 201 4x02 New York Jets
#5: Javian Hawkins 5'8" 183 UDFA - Atlanta
#6: Kenneth Gainwell 5x06 Philadelphia
#7: Rakeem Boyd UDFA - Detroit
#8: Chuba Hubbard 6'0" 210 - Pussy if he can't beat you with his long speed. Ducks out the sideline too much for my liking. Best speed after Etienne though. 4x21 Carolina
#9: Khalil Herbert 5'9" 210 6x33 Chicago
#10: Jaret Patterson UDFA - Washington
#11: Kylin Hill 5'10" 214 7x29 Green Bay
#12: Elijah Mitchell 6x10 San Francisco
#13: Trey Sermon 6'0" 215 3x25 San Francisco
#14: Larry Rountree 5'10 1/2" 211 6x14 Los Angeles Chargers
#15: Rhamondre Stevenson 4x15 New England
#16: Jermar Jefferson 5'10" 206 7x30 Detroit
#17: Tre Harbison UDFA - Cleveland
#18: Chris Evans 5'11" 211 6x18 Cincinnati
#19: Pooka Williams UDFA - Cincinnati
 
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I've found myself looking at what I'd do in a Bears mock draft after they cut Kyle Fuller today. Chicago has other veterans that are significantly worse than Fuller, so I'm doing this mock under the pretense that by cutting Fuller, they will also cut RT Bobby Massie, LT Charles Leno JR, TE Jimmy Graham, and DT Akiem Hicks. Positional needs are looking like QB, WR2, DB2, SS, Interior D-Line, Interior O-Line, and 3rd down RB that isn't Cohen. I'm also assuming that somehow Nick Foles disappears in some sort of trade that also disposes of WR Anthony Miller.

I'm not going to propose any trades. It's just going to be what the Bears currently have for draft capital.

ROUND 1 PICK 20:
Mac Jones, QB - Alabama

If Jones isn't here at 20, then I think Ryan Pace and company should just start to pack their bags. I'm taking Jones here under the assumption that Trey Lance has already been drafted. This is a spot that it's possible the Bears could trade back a few picks and still get Jones. The Saints are lurking in the late 20's and also need a QB. I'm really not considering a cornerback here. It's QB or trade down and accumulate more picks.

ROUND 2 PICK 52:
Creed Humphrey, C/G - Oklahoma

I've seen spots where the Bears are taking a tackle in round one. I'm not trying to protect Andy Dalton, sorry. Mac Jones I'm trying to protect. Russell Wilson I'm trying to protect. Andy Dalton, no. With that Bears need WR2. Maybe Rondale Moore from Purdue would be available here. Drafting a WR in Round 2 seems a year early in this team's building process. With a rookie QB, it's best to not have him get crushed. Humphrey could be the best center in the draft. Extremely athletic. It's possible he could slip into the end of the 1st round. Drafting Humphrey instantly improves the Bears interior line. Cody Whitehair can slip back to LG from C. Whitehair is an average to below average center, but an all-pro caliber guard. That would leave James Daniels and Germain Ifedi to split time at RG.

ROUND 3 PICK 83:
Walker Little, T - Stanford
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Spencer Brown, T - Northern Iowa

This is why I would love to pick up an extra 3rd from trading back a few spots to get Mac Jones. Under my proposed off-season cuts, we are ridding our team of a slew of holding and false start penalties by cutting Bobby Massie & Charles Leno Jr. Not to mention we are saving roughly, 13 million. (Maybe we didn't need to cut Kyle Fuller!) Little had a 1st round grade going into 2019. Tore an ACL, then opted out of 2020. He's a perfect target to fill a tackle spot. Brown's from a small school, which the Bears tend to like to target in rounds 2 and 3. Brown is a beast. Little or Brown. Little AND Brown. Make it happen Chicago. Adding Humphrey and one or both of these tackles sets up the Chicago O-Line for either Mac Jones in 2022 or a different rookie QB. Either way, Chicago needs to build the foundation first before getting luxury pieces like WRs or TEs.

ROUND 5 PICK 164:
Darius Stills, DT - West Virginia

Going to be a lot of defense going forward. As of doing this, I'm assuming Akiem Hicks is as good as gone. We also lost DE Roy Robertson-Harris who was a really really good football player in our system. Good signing by the Jags. We extended DE Mario Edwards Jr. Stills is an athletic, but smaller DT. 6'1 284. He'll have to add some beef to not get pushed around but he has the meanness for the position that Hicks had.

ROUND 6 PICK 202:
Tamorrion Terry, WR - Florida State

We're going to start throwing a few darts at WR late. 6'4 220, Terry has tons of upside. he guy is fast for his size. He's not a physical receiver yet, but as he gets stronger he could be. At this point, we're just filling out WR dart throws. I'm hoping we addressed WR2 through free agency. We have Mooney at WR3. Hopefully Anthony Miller gets traded. Javon Wims and Riley Ridley, hopefully cut.

ROUND 6 PICK 219:
Anthony Schwartz, WR - Auburn

He had a 4.26 40 time at his pro time. He's available at Round 6? Sure good enough, bring him on. Adding another burner WR to go with Mooney and RB Tarik Cohen sounds fine to me. Another option at this spot could be WR Jonathan Adams Jr from Arkansas State. Solid high point guy that can work the outside. Drops a lot of balls though.

ROUND 6 PICK 226:
Tay Gowan, CB - UCF

This is our moderate attempt to fill the CB2 slot that is now open on the roster. Jaylon Johnson will be the CB1. More than likely we will sign a veteran for CB2. We cut Buster Skrine and haven't resigned Artie Burns. Gowan opted out last year. 6'2, 185, 4.3 speed. Sure why not. Opting out of 2020 has lowered his draft stock quite a bit, so he could be a nice late steal for the Bears. Bryan Mills from UNC Central could also be an option here for CB.

ROUND 7 PICK 230:
Milton Williams, DT - Louisiana Tech

We're going to nab another developmental DT here. 6'4 280 lb. He's slightly more in the mold of Hicks than earlier drafted Stills. Losing Hicks and Robertson-Harris we need some more big smashers on the inside.


A couple of takeaways:
*Cutting Kyle Fuller was the wrong move. We have too many other issues than to create another major hole that needs addressed. Disposing of Leno, Massie, and Graham gets us closer to where we need to be cap-wise than tossing Fuller away does. Fuller was already in the last year of his contract. Addressing the new hole at CB early in this draft puts the Bears further behind in what they need to actually fix.

*I like what we've done at interior D-Line. This doesn't replace Hicks at all, but it almost does. Hicks has had a lot of injuries the past few years so he isn't guaranteed to be on the field.

*Throwing 2 to 3 picks at O-Line gets the Bears a lot closer to finally moving that unit from being below average. Getting Whitehair at his proper position is almost like acquiring an all-pro free agent. We might actually have to offense be able to move drives instead of them being perpetually derailed by false starts and holds from Massie & Leno.

*I didn't really consider any RBs. We still have David Montgomery and have Tarik Cohen signed to a massive contract. The best bet for depth here is to go out and add someone like Mike Davis or Philip Lindsay.

*With the addition of Mac Jones, I think Pace & Nagy probably buy themselves at least 1 more year by redshirting him most of the year. If Jones comes out and looks like butt, the media will be ready to pounce on Pace & Nagy.
 
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2021 WR Rankings. The group at the 21-27 area are all pretty similar type players so the "preference" is pretty minuscule there.

#1: Ja'Marr Chase (LSU) 1x05 Cincinnati
#2: Jaylen Waddle (Alabama) 1x06 Miami
#3: DeVonta Smith (Alabama) 1x10 Philadelphia
#4: Kadarius Toney (Florida). Ideal Slot WR 1x20 New York Giants
#5: Elijah Moore (Ole Miss) 2x02 New York Jets
#6: Tamorrion Terry (Florida State). Legitimate Top 5 talent on the field. Work Ethic/Intangibles will make/break his career. UDFA - Seattle
#7: Terrace Marshall Jr (LSU) 2x27 Carolina
#8: Rashod Bateman (Minnesota) 1x27 Baltimore
#9: Amari Rodgers (Clemson) 3x22 Green Bay
#10: Rondale Moore (Purdue) 2x17 Arizona
#11: Ihmir Smith-Marsette (Iowa). Sleeper. Athleticism/Speed pops on the field. 5x13 Minnesota
#12: Marlon Williams (UCF). One of my favorites. Plays above his athleticism. Tough/Hard Nosed. Depth Piece but a guy you'd enjoy watching on Sundays. UDFA - Houston
#13: Tylan Wallace (Oklahoma State) 4x26 Baltimore
#14: Cornell Powell (Clemson) 5x37 Kansas City
#15: Anthony Schwartz (Auburn). Burner. Speed Kills. 3x28 Cleveland
#16: Nico Collins (Michigan) 3x26 Houston
#17: D'Wayne (Dee) Eskridge (Western Michigan) 2x24 Seattle
#18: Damontie Coxie (Memphis)
#19: Isaiah McKoy (Kent State) UDFA - Pittsburgh
#20: Sage Surratt (Wake Forest) UDFA - Detroit
#21: Demetric Felton (UCLA). Used at RB, will switch to WR. 6x27 Cleveland
#22: Amon-Ra St. Brown (USC) 4x07 Detroit
#23: Simi Fehoko Jr (Stanford). Chase Claypool of Class. 5x35 Dallas
#24: Josh Palmer (Tennessee) 3x14 Los Angeles Chargers
#25: Jacob Harris (UCF) 4x36 Los Angeles Rams
#26: Dyami Brown (North Carolina) 3x19 Washington
#27: Warren Jackson (Colorado State). Big Dude. Potential TE Convert. UDFA - Denver
#28: Dazz Newsome (North Carolina) 6x37 Chicago
#29: Brennan Eagles (Texas) UDFA - Dallas
#30: Shi Smith (South Carolina) 6x20 Carolina
#31: Mike Strachan (Charleston) 7x01 Indianapolis
#32: Seth Williams (Auburn) 6x35 Denver
#33: Tutu Atwell (Louisville) 2x25 Los Angeles Rams
 
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2021 TE Rankings
Pat Freiermuth (Penn State) – Better overall package than Pitts. 2x23 Pittsburgh
Kyle Pitts (Florida) 6'5 1/2" 245 – Clone of Darren Waller. Can he block at the NFL level though? 1x04 Atlanta
Brevin Jordan (Miami) 6'2 1/2" 247 5x03 Houston
Tommy Tremble (Notre Dame) 6'3" 241 3x20 Carolina
Tre McKitty (Georgia) 3x34 Los Angeles Chargers
Hunter Long (Boston College) 6'5" 254 3x18 Miami
Kylen Granson (SMU) 6'1" 241 – Has some speed. Probably converts to FB at the NFL level. 4x22 Indianapolis
Matt Bushman (BYU) – Tore Achilles Tendon in 2020. May fall to late rounds/UDFA but has better ability than that area if he can come back healthy. UDFA - Las Vegas
Luke Farrell (Ohio State) 6'5" 251 5x01 Jacksonville
Noah Gray (Duke) 6'3" 240 5x18 Kansas City
Quintin Morris (Bowling Green) 6'2" 243
Nick Eubanks (Michigan) – Didn’t do much as a receiver at Michigan despite speed/athleticism. Underachiever?
Tony Poljan (Virginia)
 
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I think Lawrence (obviously) and Chase are gonna be the two players remembered from this draft. Both have very special talent.
 

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Anyone thinking Justin Fields will go in Round 4 really shouldn't be doing draft analysis.

Pretty sure Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance, and Jones all we be off the board in the top 10. Too many teams are desperate for a QB. 49ers are after either Mac Jones or Trey Lance.

Obviously a team with a franchise QB already in place isn't going to grade a QB like Fields or Lance as anything more than a future trade chip and not a draft priority to them. Where the Chiefs view QB prospects and the Panthers view QB prospects will have much different values and need attached to them.
 

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Anyone thinking Justin Fields will go in Round 4 really shouldn't be doing draft analysis.

Pretty sure Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance, and Jones all we be off the board in the top 10. Too many teams are desperate for a QB. 49ers are after either Mac Jones or Trey Lance.

Obviously a team with a franchise QB already in place isn't going to grade a QB like Fields or Lance as anything more than a future trade chip and not a draft priority to them. Where the Chiefs view QB prospects and the Panthers view QB prospects will have much different values and need attached to them.
It wasn't a draft analyst thinking Round 4. It was a team personnel that Brandt spoke to who thought of him as a Round 4 value probably based on a big board factor. I don't think Fields is that bad but I also have him as the 6th QB on my board so... Just offensively I'd take roughly 24 players ahead of Fields and that's not even going into how I'd rank and prefer OL, DE, DT, ILB/OLBs, CB, and S. I'd probably have Fields as a "2nd Round" player based on an overall list even though I know he'd be going in Round 1.

Just having 16 players total from that OL-S list would push Fields to around the 38 spot overall. So on my board, he'd probably be in the 40s-50s area.

Round 4 starts with pick #106 so I don't think it's too out of the realm of possibility to see Justin Fields as a 65-75th Overall type player which would put him in the "3rd Round" area.
 

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2021 Defensive Ends
Jaelen Phillips (Miami) - Flashes strength at LOS. Pass move repertoire is limited. Very fast get off at the snap but doesn't utilize a bend/edge rush enough. Upside is very high if coached up though. 1x18 Miami
Patrick Jones II (Pittsburgh) - Great burst off the snap. Impressive ability to bend the corner. More talented/higher upside than teammate Weaver IMO. The kind of guy the Baltimore Ravens would take. 3x27 Minnesota
Kwity Paye (Michigan) - Has strength to stand up his OL at LOS and hands to disengage. Flashes some burst off the snap, especially in a Wide 9 look. 1x21 Indianapolis
Carlos Basham Jr (Wake Forest) - May lack the upside of a Rousseau/Oweh but he's a solid DE. Lunch pail type football player who can split some double teams and understands leverage. 2x29 Buffalo
Gregory Rousseau (Miami) - 2nd/3rd Round on tape. Worlds better when asked to rush from an inside DT spot. At his best stunting or using a rip/swim move. Too easily walled off when blocked 1-1. Flashed some strength but really needs to bulk up/improve his strength at the NFL level. 1x30 Buffalo
Jayson Oweh (Penn State) - 3rd/4th Round on tape. Flashes hustle/effort and good strength when he (very rarely) can get leverage. Often overpowered vs. Ohio State & Michigan (sometimes by TEs too), made a non-factor. May be a better fit in space as OLB at the NFL level. Rumblings he's a workout warrior who doesn't translate to the field. 1x31 Baltimore
Rashad Weaver (Pittsburgh) - Good hands/burst off the snap but average field speed and struggles to finish the play/make the play in the backfield. Project with potential if a coach can tap into him as a finisher. Reminds me of a not as fast Chandler Jones. 4x30 Tennessee
Victor Dimukeje (Duke) - Needs to get stronger at POA but flashes good hand use to disengage from blocker. Flashed strength to pop blocker backwards and solid burst to close on QB. Sleeper. 6x26 Arizona
Dayo Odenyingbo (Vanderbilt) 2x22 Indianapolis
Tarron Jackson (Coastal Carolina) 6x07 Philadelphia
Janarius Robinson (Florida State) 4x29 Minnesota
Payton Turner (Houston) 1x28 New Orleans
Jonathon Cooper (Ohio State) 7x11 Denver
 
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Harley's Mock Draft 1.0
Notes: I think Atlanta's a hot spot. I have them missing out on Pitts here but Cincinnati could change the landscape quite a bit if they let Sewell fall by taking Chase at WR. Baltimore badly needs a true WR weapon and I could see them making the push to trade up in a rare move. It's a big jump and I'm not entirely sold they'd move up that far but Lamar needs weapons.

I can see New England easily taking QB Trey Lance at #15 but my gut is that they trade down and target somebody in Round 2 e.g. a Kyle Trask, Jamie Newman type. NE trading down and taking who I have them taking would be a typical Belichick move against the "obvious" choice but getting the BPA on their board.

1.01 Jacksonville Jaguars - QB Trevor Lawrence
1.02 New York Jets - QB Zach Wilson
1.03 San Francisco 49ers - QB Mac Jones
1.04 Atlanta Falcons Denver Broncos - QB Justin Fields. Denver sends #9, #114, #191, and 2022 1st to Atlanta for #4, #148, #187, and 2022 3rd.
1.05 Cincinnati Bengals - OT Penei Sewell
1.06 Miami Dolphins - WR Ja'Marr Chase
1.07 Detroit Lions - WR Jaylen Waddle
1.08 Carolina Panthers - TE Kyle Pitts
1.09 Denver Broncos Atlanta Falcons - LB Micah Parsons
1.10 Dallas Cowboys - CB Patrick Surtain II
1.11 New York Giants Baltimore Ravens - WR DeVonta Smith. Baltimore sends #27, #104, #210, and 2022 3rd to New York Giants for #11, #116, 2022 4th, and 2022 7th
1.12 Philadelphia Eagles - CB Jaycee Horn
1.13 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Rashawn Slater
1.14 Minnesota Vikings - OT Christian Darrisaw
1.15 New England Patriots Washington Football Team - QB Trey Lance. Washington sends #19, #82, #163, and 2022 5th. New England sends #15, #96, and #177.
1.16 Arizona Cardinals - S Trevon Moehrig
1.17 Las Vegas Raiders - OT Alijah Vera-Tucker
1.18 Miami Dolphins - DL Christian Barmore
1.19 Washington Football Team New England Patriots - DE Jaelen Phillips
1.20 Chicago Bears - WR Rashod Bateman
1.21 Indianapolis Colts - DE Jayson Oweh
1.22 Tennessee Titans - OT Walker Little
1.23 New York Jets - DE Kwity Paye
1.24 Pittsburgh Steelers - OT Teven Jenkins
1.25 Jacksonville Jaguars - CB Caleb Farley
1.26 Cleveland Browns - LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
1.27 Baltimore Ravens New York Giants - CB Asante Samuel Jr
1.28 New Orleans Saints - WR Rondale Moore
1.29 Green Bay Packers - CB Greg Newsome II
1.30 Buffalo Bills - DE Gregory Rousseau
1.31 Kansas City Chiefs - OT Dillon Radunz
1.32 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DL Azeez Ojulari
 

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Looking at your draft as a Miami fan, I have a feeling they would take Pitts over Chase and Phillips over Barmore.
 

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Looking at your draft as a Miami fan, I have a feeling they would take Pitts over Chase and Phillips over Barmore.
Yeah. I could see them going Pitts to pair with Gesicki but I also think it'd be really hard for them to pass over getting Chase to be opposite Parker with Fuller/Hurns being able to work inside or outside.

Phillips and Barmore could've been swapped tbh and it wouldn't surprise me at all. But Barmore reminded me some of Richard Seymour and I can see Flores playing him outside then sliding him inside on passing downs next to a Christian Wilkins/John Jenkins/Raekwon Davis.
 

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2021 Defensive Tackle Rankings
Christian Barmore (Alabama) 2x06 New England
Daviyon Nixon (Iowa) 5x14 Carolina
Marvin Wilson (Florida State) – Underrated. Patriots type guy. Batted passes, hurried QBs, blocked kicks on ST. Not flashy but just a solid disruptor/playmaker. UDFA - Cleveland
Levi Onwuzurike (Washington) – Good. Misses too many tackles for my liking though. 2x09 Detroit
Jay Tufele (USC) 4x01 Jacksonville
Tyler Shelvin (LSU) 4x17 Cincinnati
Tedarrell Slaton (Florida). Reminds me of a lesser Vernon Butler. Sleeper. 5x29 Green Bay
Jared Goldwire (Louisville)
Khyiris Tonga (BYU). Flashes some Round 3 ability but inconsistent. 7x23 Chicago
Jerome Johnson (Indiana) UDFA - Miami
Osa Odighizuwa (UCLA) 3x11 Dallas
Bobby Brown (Texas A&M) – Work ethic/motor concerns. Underachiever type. 4x12 Los Angeles Rams
Naquon Jones (Michigan State) UDFA - Tennessee
 
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ILB Rankings
Micah Parsons (Penn State) 1x12 Dallas
Zaven Collins (Tulsa) 1x16 Arizona
Jamin Davis (Kentucky) 1x19 Washington
Jabril Cox (LSU) 4x10 Dallas
Chaz Surratt (North Carolina) 3x15 Minnesota
Grant Stuard (Houston). Good closing burst. Could be a ST cover beast. 7x32 Tampa Bay
Nick Bolton (Missouri). Very instinctive but average athlete. Ben Heeney type. 2x26 Kansas City
Baron Browning (Ohio State) 3x42 Denver
Monty Rice (Georgia) 3x29 Tennessee
K.J. Britt (Auburn) 5x32 Tampa Bay
Dylan Moses (Alabama) UDFA - Jacksonville
Tony Fields II (West Virginia) 5x09 Cleveland
Pete Werner (Ohio State) 2x28 New Orleans

OLB Rankings - Tried to avoid already mentioned DEs

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (Notre Dame) 2x20 Cleveland
Azeez Ojulari (Georgia) 2x18 New York Giants
Joe Tryon (Washington) 1x32 Tampa Bay
Quincy Roche (Miami) 6x32 Pittsburgh
Malcolm Koonce (Buffalo) 3x16 Las Vegas
Joseph Ossai (Texas) 3x05 Cincinnati
Charles Snowden III (Virginia) UDFA - Chicago
JaCoby Stevens (LSU) 6x40 Philadelphia
Hamilcar Rashed Jr (Oregon State) UDFA - New York Jets
DeAngelo Malone (Western Kentucky)
 
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I'm DEEP in my NFL Draft scouting currently.

I don't think any team will go wrong taking one of the top 5 QBs.

Tier 1
1. Trevor Lawrence - Clemson

Tier 2
2. Zach Wilson - BYU
3. Justin Fields - Ohio State

Tier 3
4. Trey Lance - North Dakota State
5. Mac Jones - Alabama

Tier 4
6. Davis Mills - Stanford
7. Jamie Newman - Wake Forest/ "Georgia"

Dart Throws
*Kyle Trask - Florida
*Kellen Mond - Texas A&M

Wilson has some Brett Favre vibes to his game which I like a lot. Those were the exact same vibes I got with Mahomes coming out. I haven't really seen anyone since with that same "controlled gunslinger" type game since Mahomes.

Fields is really good. I don't follow the general narrative I keep hearing of "the Ohio State offense is easy to produce in, lots of talent, all their QBs end up bad, etc." Top QBs usually have top level WRs. Being able to connect with them is a positive. Fields just has a quiet confidence to him. He looks like he has something to prove. I don't like how he tends to not protect himself on QB runs and takes some massive hits. I'd also like to see him lead his WRs to more opportunities for YAC.

Lance I really hope doesn't get thrown into the fire right away. He's got some fundamentals to work on. Watching his game reminds me of Josh Allen, the good and the bad. Like Allen I think it could take a few years of bad before he really breaks the door open. He faced inferrior competition at ND State but he also had inferrior WRs to throw to so I feel it balances out.

Mac Jones. This dude even with the building hype I still think isn't getting the proper credit. Dude is good. Can hit NFL calibur WRs on the run. You could tell at his pro-day he was kind of over throwing dudes slightly because he was used to that elite speed that Alabama had. Better passer than Fields. Fields doesn't always give his WRs a chance for YAC. Jones does. I'm not concerned with his lack of athleticism. Who cares.

Davis Mills could be an interesting developmental QB for someone on day 2. Great throwing motion. Good accuracy. He's got decent enough mobility as well.

Jamie Newman damn near looks like a RB to me. Dude is big and powerful. I really would like to see him go to Baltimore. He seems like a seemless backup to Lamar. He throws a pretty good deep ball. I could see the Steelers as another really good landing spot. I get some Big Ben vibes from him as well. I think he really hurt his draft stock by not playing in 2020. He potentially could have found himself in the first round. Now he is looking like a round 3 to 5 pick.

Trask is getting burried by a lot of people, but he seems like a pretty good Day 3 option to me. He has a journeyman backup QB vibe that some team could get at a huge discount. He had some great weapons at Florida to throw to and he proved he could handle that.

Mond I could see going to a team wanting to add a running game element to their backup QB situation. Dallas could be a good landing spot for a cheap backup to Dak. He has an odd throwing motion that I'm not really a fan of.
 

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2 through 5 I really have a tough time ranking. Each one of those guys brings a different element to their game. Wilson to the Jets seems nearly set in stone. It'll be interesting to see where Jones, Fields, and Lance all end up.
 

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Love seeing other people's takes on players/positions so :championship:to Krankor. I just don't see the 1st Round hype on Kellen Mond and still don't see "IT" related to him at all.

Wilson, to me, is closer to Lawrence than he is to Lance/Mac in my book. I tend to be higher on Newman than most.

The latest rumblings now have Justin Fields going #3 to San Francisco with the Patriots being one of the teams that could trade up to around the 7-9 spot if a QB falls that far. The #7 spot held by Detroit and #8 spot by Carolina are prime areas as Detroit just acquired Goff in trade & Carolina acquired Darnold via trade. Denver legitimately could take a QB at #9 if they figure they are moving on from Drew Lock this early meaning a team in the teens that wants a QB roughly has the #4 Spot or #7/#8 Spots to really trade into.

I believe Cincinnati wants to take either Sewell/Chase with Miami being satisfied taking the other at the #6 spot.
 

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I really don't think Mond will even be a day 2 Quarterback. I think he's more of a Round 5 - 6 dart throw for a team wanting to add a little something extra to their backup QB position. I like Dallas for him, again maybe Baltimore decides they don't need RG3 back and that Trace McSorely isn't as good as Mond.

Newman to me could be a good value for a team that doesn't need him for much this year. You could really use him at RB and get really creative by having two QBs on the field. Dude is big as hell. I can't think of a better spot for him than Pittsburgh.

The Seahawks could also be a dark horse team to nab a mid round QB. They don't have a lot of picks, but I think they may start to prep themselves for life without Russell Wilson.

I think Denver should take a QB if one of the top 5 is still there. Lock just doesn't seem to be anymore than a backup level QB. If none of the top 5 QBs are there, they should just take whatever OT is still there Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, Jenkins.
 
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Harley's Mock Draft 1.1 - Non Trade Edition

1x01 Jacksonville: QB Trevor Lawrence. - Done Deal
1x02 NY Jets: QB Zach Wilson - Done Deal
1x03 San Francisco: QB Mac Jones - About 95% he's their guy. Lance has only played 16 games and Fields isn't as good a passer.
1x04 Atlanta: TE Kyle Pitts - Freak of a weapon. I think Atlanta stays pat here and takes Pitts.
1x05 Cincinnati: OT Penei Sewell - Cincy may be tempted by Chase but they have to keep Burrow upright.
1x06 Miami: WR DeVonta Smith - Bit of a wildcard pick here. Chase opting out + Smith's Alabama connection feels right.
1x07 Detroit: LB Micah Parsons - They need defensive help and Parsons is a beast.
1x08 Carolina: WR Ja'Marr Chase - Joe Brady freaks out at his luck, Darnold freaks out, and Chase freaks out on the field in that offense.
1x09 Denver: QB Justin Fields - Denver could go a variety of ways. I think they're ready to move on from Lock and Fields offers more size/legitimacy.
1x10 Dallas: OT Rashawn Slater - Dallas badly needs OL help and some have argued Slater ahead of Sewell. Backup option could be CB Patrick Surtain II here.
1x11 NY Giants: CB Patrick Surtain II - They could go any direction here but Surtain II would be probably a Top 7 pick in any other draft. Giants get a steal here.
1x12 Philadelphia: WR Jaylen Waddle - Hurts is the QB and Eagles still need more weapons at WR despite their 70 picks last year.
1x13 LA Chargers: OT Christian Darrisaw - Need pick here but Chargers are satisfied getting a very good OL.
1x14 Minnesota: S Trevon Moehrig - Highest rated Safety in a fairly weak group so Minnesota pounces on a need.
1x15 New England: QB Trey Lance - I'm not sold Patriots would go QB here but scouts/personnel say Lance checks off all of the intangibles/leadership boxes. Patriots pride that and will be happy to groom Lance behind Cam.
1x16 Arizona: DT Christian Barmore - A beast in the middle who can open up lanes for Isaiah Simmons behind him. Kliff learned under Belichick to defend the middle of the field first and this helps put it into practice.
1x17 Las Vegas: DE Jaelan Phillips - The kind of guy Mayock/Gruden like. Guy who has a ton of untapped potential but could give them a devastating Chase Young-esque pass rush presence.
1x18 Miami: RB Najee Harris - Big need for Miami and a guy who could be a true bellcow for them. Bonus familiarity with Tua & Smith as well.
1x19 Washington: CB Caleb Farley - Falls a bit in the draft but would probably go Top 15 if any other draft. Washington will need CB help/depth with Dak returning in Dallas and the Giants loading up.
1x20 Chicago: WR Rashod Bateman - Chicago wants a QB just like Washington so both teams will probably try to trade up. I never know what Chicago is going to do but they seem like the type of team that would take Bateman and bypass better value at the position.
1x21 Indianapolis: CB Jaycee Horn - A riser in the draft but teams can never have too much CB depth and Horn could be a day 1 starter.
1x22 Tennessee: OT Teven Jenkins - Not really sure where the Titans go. They whiffed hard last year but Jenkins has legitimate Round 1 ability and Vrabel isn't the type to be gunshy about going back to OL.
1x23 NY Jets: WR Rondale Moore - A guy who can be a weapon inside the slot for the Jets. Could be a poor man's version of somebody like Percy Harvin.
1x24 Pittsburgh: OT/OG Alijah Vera-Tucker - They could go anywhere here. Rumblings they want a bellcow RB but Etienne isn't that IMO so they opt for the best available OL here.
1x25 Jacksonville: RB Travis Etienne - Urban knows how to build a tough, deep running team and he starts that here with Etienne to tandem with James Robinson in Jacksonville.
1x26 Cleveland: LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah - A value pick here as well as a guy who can play any of the LB spots on defense.
1x27 Baltimore: DE/LB Azeez Ojulari - Good player who can provide the typical Ravens chess piece on defense.
1x28 New Orleans: DE Kwity Paye - They could go WR here with Toney but I feel like Payton will try to lean on his defense to win games more. Starts with the DL to try and mirror what Washington did.
1x29 Green Bay: WR Kadarius Toney - Rodgers finally gets a WR in the first round. Toney will be a weapon inside the slot and has the size to play outside too if necessary.
1x30 Buffalo: LB Zaven Collins - Legitimately a Top 20 talent in this drop and he could even fall out of the 1st Round irl. Buffalo could use some playmakers on defense and Collins is a freak in the best way.
1x31 Kansas City: CB Asante Samuel Jr - Good player who can go anywhere from as high as #20 to 2nd Round. The AFC West is turning into a shootout passing division and the Chiefs get a guy who, at worst, could be a starter in the Nickel on day one and has pedigree.
1x32 Tampa Bay: DE Jayson Oweh - High-risk pick by TB who can afford it. Oweh can learn how to be an NFL player under vets but has upside in that system too.
 

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I'd be not thrilled if Chicago took Bateman when Vera-Tucker and Jenkins were still on the board. Unfortunately I could see them taking Bateman because ultimately I think they don't want to extend Allen Robinson and the GM / Coach seem to prefer the flashy pick. There's also rumblings that they may take a CB, which I'd also prefer they not do. That O-Line needs major draft investment in.

If Chicago isn't going to take a QB or O-Line, then I'd really prefer them to trade back and build up some future draft capital for a future GM. Sorry, not sorry Ryan Pace!

In the event Detroit was up and had Lance available, I could see them drafting him. Goff and his contract would give Lance the year or two he needs to get polished and develop.
 

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This is the most unsure I've been about a Saints draft (early rounds) in a long time. Even when I disagreed with picks (Reggie Bush 2006, Robert Meachem in 2007) they generally did a good job proving me wrong. I think the offense is solid on playmakers at WR and RB. I don't think there's a need to go TE at this point in round one, even with the shenanigans we've had in the offseason cutting Josh Hill and Jared Cook (warranted).

I would be 100% satisfied with a boring "best player available" lineman (either side) pick. Whoever gets the nod at QB is going to need a solid line as both Winston and Hill like to move around and make plays. Both guys are mobile. When they traded up to get Davenport a few years ago, I never thought I'd see the day that a Loomis/Payton regime draft would include moving THAT much to get a defensive player, so my prior fears about Payton not being able to help himself when he sees a flashy player have been calmed overall. When they announced the Saints traded up that far, I knew for sure they were going for Lamar Jackson. And we went D. Jaw hit floor.

I'm hearing 2020 RD1 OL Cesar Ruiz was mostly disappointing behind the scenes, which when you have a history of late round linemen starting day one, a RD1 struggling will disappoint.

I didn't watch enough college ball in 2020 to even make the faintest of an educated guess as to what player they go with. I'd always welcome more defensive backs. I just wish local sports radio and TV would knock it off with the "why don't the Saints ever draft LSU players durr durr durr." We got Devery Henderson in 04. STFU.
 

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Honestly, I still think I want the Bengals to go with Pitts or Chase if they are available, and I know how insane that sounds since the Bengals have trotted out some variation of Cedric Ogbeuhi, Billy Price, Bobby Hart on a starting O-Line in the NFL in the last 4 years. I'd be very happy if they took Sewell, but I also would really love to see how much a talent like Chase or Pitts could make this offense even better.
 
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