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Ant-Man & the Wasp: Quantumania (State of Marvel thread)

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First trailer is out:


Knowing what we know about the upcoming lineup of movies, looks like we'll finally be getting some firm direction for the MCU here with Kang the Conqueror, as expected. Solid trailer. Completely forgot that Bill Murray had a role in this, too.
 
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looks like it'll have a big impact on things which is nice, i enjoyed the other 2 ant-man movies ok but they both felt like the least essential movies of their arcs.
 

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I loved Ant-Man and the Wasp and would have been perfectly happy if that movie didn't have any stakes whatsoever, or didn't tie into the rest of the MCU at all. I was just so tickled to see a movie that had positive portrayal of blended families that everything else that happened was a bonus.
 

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Kinda has the Doctor Strange doing the Spider-Man spell part where someone just decides to do this massive science experiment in the room without talking to the other people there about it, or making sure it’s something that should be done.
 

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There are no other MCU movies that got reviews this poor. Most of the complaints say that the 'wait for the next movie for something interesting to happen' formula has worn out, that the CGI sucks (not hard to believe), and that the stakes in these movies are getting to be too large to make a good singular movie out of. Now I'm bummed cause I liked the first and second one of this more than most people did.



lol holy shit the CGI really is bad
 

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There are no other MCU movies that got reviews this poor. Most of the complaints say that the 'wait for the next movie for something interesting to happen' formula has worn out, that the CGI sucks (not hard to believe), and that the stakes in these movies are getting to be too large to make a good singular movie out of. Now I'm bummed cause I liked the first and second one of this more than most people did.



lol holy shit the CGI really is bad
I'm getting "Spawn" flashbacks all the sudden.
 

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I liked it more than Black Panther 2 and Thor: L&T. It didn’t have as much humor as the first two Antman movies but it set up the future with Kang very well (especially the post credit scenes).

The problem I have with the movies post Endgame are that they move so quickly into the story that it doesn’t explain things (poor writing). For instance, in this movie they are in the Quantum Realm and off to the races in the first 20 minutes without any explanation of why things are happening and who people are.

But it was fun and I’m sure some people won’t, but I liked MODOK. Also I have a huge thing for Kathryn Newton so more of her please.
 

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Initial rating coming out of the theater is 6.5 (imdb 7 since i round up). If MODOK's CGI without the mask and his jokes weren't so bad I might even like it a little better. The CGI the rest of the movie is very good so I have no idea what the fuck happened there. Just completely unacceptable.

Kang is one of the strongest villains in a Marvel movie, as he should be. I didn't have a big problem with how fast we got to the Quantum Realm or giving back story on people because it's the third movie. We should know who the Ant-family are by now.

Marvel relies on green-screens too much in their movies (as do most movies now) but it would have been pretty hard to do this movie otherwise given the premise unlike a number of others in the MCU. The last confrontation between Scott and Kang was physical and not just lasers shooting around which I liked.

I'd put this above all but 2 of the 7 movies of Phase 4 and Kang himself makes for a much more promising Phase 5.

Here's my super rough order of MCU movies without a lot of thought put in:

Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Endgame
Black Panther
Thor: Ragnarok
Avengers: Infinity War
Captain America: Civil War
Iron Man
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Guardians of the Galaxy
Marvel's The Avengers
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Captain America: The First Avenger
Thor
Iron Man 2
Doctor Strange
Ant-Man
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Captain Marvel
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Black Widow
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Iron Man 3
Thor: Love and Thunder
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk (Have to re-watch it tbf)
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Eternals

I could easily flip around a lot of these but as a general list it works. I'm not a big Spider-Man fan in the comics but whatever they did in the movies worked for me. I'm a huge Captain America fan. The Avengers movies + Winter Soldier and Civil War (Age of Ultron doesn't exist) arc are the peak of capeshit.
 

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Probably later in the week, when I have more time. I'll just say these two things as a "teaser," though:
  1. You have two movies in your bottom ten that I have in my top 5.
  2. There isn't a single MCU movie that I actually dis-liked (well, maybe one); to me, even the worst MCU movie is in the Top 40 comic book movies of all time.
 

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The only MCU movies I disliked were Thor, Thor 2, Thor 4 (notice a trend here), Age of Ultron, Eternals

But I do feel like the movies they released after Eternals look cheap.
 

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I only would say I really outright dislike Thor 2, Age of Ultron and Eternals. I need to re-watch Hulk to rate it properly.
 

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So finally got to this last weekend......I agree on the sentiment that MODOK just looked so weird effects-wise.....and the fact they actively didn't spend effects development on this one apparently because more funds were allocated for Wakanda Forever. Marvel/Disney has more than fucking enough funds to put the looks of the effects as a priority in every Marvel movie. Just a weird decision by the company.

From a coherant standpoint, I felt like something was a bit disjointed narrative-wise, but I still enjoyed it. The story just felt so ungrounded and all over the place. Particularly, the Cassie character seemed really off compared to the rest of the series and without the appropriate development needed although I am a fan of her work (not in this one though).

On the positive, I think this was a solid first outing for the Kang character being set in the MCU, so far so good. That was probably the strongest point of the film.

Ultimately, I liked it more than Ant-Man 2, but the first Ant-Man I really enjoyed so it doesnt hold a candle to that one.

3D was looking great in the IMAX format so to me it was more of a visual spectacle but little else of value
 
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MCU movies ranked from favorite to least favorite, according to Mr. Slim Citrus:

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Black Panther
Avengers: Infinity War
Captain Marvel
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Endgame
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Marvels
Thor: Ragnarok
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Marvel's The Avengers
Doctor Strange
Captain America: Civil War
Eternals
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Thor
Ant-Man
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Thor: The Dark World
Black Widow
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Thor: Love and Thunder
Iron Man 2
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Iron Man 3
The Incredible Hulk


Let me just repeat for the record that this is "favorite to least favorite," not "good to bad" or "best to worst." The Incredible Hulk is the only MCU movie that I actively dislike.
 
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Translation: we ain't ever making a fourth Ant-Man movie, another Thor movie (I am thankful for this), or a third solo movie for character like Shang-Chi ever again. They added too many characters who don't interact with each other.
 

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Translation: we ain't ever making a fourth Ant-Man movie, another Thor movie (I am thankful for this), or a third solo movie for character like Shang-Chi ever again. They added too many characters who don't interact with each other.
I feel like this needs to be mentioned not just with Marvel but Disney itself. They own Star Wars, Marvel and 20th Century Fox (mostly so they can get the rights to X-Men and other popular Fox related content), but in the process they ended up making and announcing so many projects without thinking 1.) maybe we should space this out or people might get exhausted 2.) maybe we should wait to announce so many projects in advance 3.) the problem of quantity over quality. I think most fans will tell you phase four has been mostly lacking, and phase five started with a whimper and doesn't seem to bode too well in the future. So with these things it feels like they've painted themselves in a corner.

This is one of the reasons someone like me sometimes says Marvel fatigue-I don't know if it will go away (I kinda doubt it will). They will continue to milk this cash machine and why shouldn't they considering it's the biggest franchise in Hollywood. I just don't know if it's going to reach the heights of popularity it did in the last decade-especially 2018 and 2019. It was red hot then, and while it's still massively popular, I doubt people are going to be as excited to the next "Avengers" movies.

TLDR version-Marvel probably isn't ending in the foreseeable future, but I think it's safe to say excitement for it has cooled a little.
 

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After End-game and losing so many of the top names and finishing the arc of all the stories they'd been telling for all those years it was going to be a monumental task to keep audiences attention. If COVID hadn't hit and caused so many issues they might have had better luck but Phase 4 was just not very good.

Marvel will never end. It isn't ever going away. There was a 7 year gap between DC movies from 97 to 2004 (Batman and Robin/Steel to Catwoman). Since 1998 there's been only a 2 year gap between Marvel movies once or twice. That doesn't even get into Live-action TV shows and cartoons. The MCU as it exists now will end at some point, but only to reboot it for a new generation. Comic books strength and weakness is that you can reboot them over and over.

Capeshit is the ultimate american invention.
 

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Our sources tell us the alleged victim had visible injuries -- including a laceration behind her ear, redness and marks to her face. She was taken to an area hospital and is in stable condition. As for Majors ... he was cuffed and taken to jail on the spot, as police felt there was enough evidence for probable cause. We're hearing he is currently out of custody.


And there goes the entire MCU down the poop chute.
 

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I've discussed the downturn of the MCU and what should be done about it with 909 a bunch with 909 in chat and (besides firing a whole lot of executives starting with Kevin Feige) I think they need to bring the whole Multiverse stuff to an end in the next few movies. Not because it can't work but because it failed here. At this point they might as well blow things off and recast most of the roles because so many people seem unhappy and come back in a couple years fresh with a new MCU that includes the X-Men.

The reasons that everything fell apart I primarily put as,

1. The first 3 phases built to a massive conclusion and they lost Captain America, Iron-Man, and Black Widow and the actors that played them. They also tragically lost Chadwick Boseman who had the one really fresh movie franchise. Thor had 3 movies (and then they messed up the 4th), GOTG had 2 and the 3rd was the last for many of them, Ant-Man had 2 and never performed better than modestly, etc.
It's like DC losing Batman, Superman, WonderWoman and Aquaman and then trying to replace them all at the same time with their sidekicks while also starting a new narrative. It's too much to do.

2. You have to watch the shows to understand a lot of things. You didn't have to do that for the other phases. All you had to do was watch the movies. The Netflix Marvel shows were their own thing that only lightly integrated. The Disney shows have (mostly) been better than the last phase (which is in itself a problem) but they should be a separate story that you don't HAVE to watch.

3. Everything else: Interference from executives, terrible CGI, mistreatment of actors, COVID, actors being dumb, movies and shows being approved that never should have.
 

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Apparently he called 911 himself. Ain’t that a fuckin bitch
 

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I finally got around to seeing this, and I rather liked it. It's not in my top half of favorite MCU movies, but it'll definitely not get skipped when I do my next re-watch.
 
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