Byron, What's your problem with SRV? (+all-purpose white guy blues thread)

[Agent of Oblivion]

So I was lurking in the rap tournament thread and saw this noise:

lol rap is just as much about personality as it is about raw skill. That's why Gucci > Buddens, T.I. > Talib Kweli, Jay > Nas, Dipset > Little Brother, etc. Same reason that Keith Richards or Lou Reed is better than Stevie Ray Vaughn or like that fag from Dream Theater or whatever.

Dude's pretty damn good. Worse than Lou Reed? You're a tard. I'm neither a Stones guy nor a VU guy, but I won't argue Keith Richards based on the sheer volume of iconic riffs. Lou Reed though...man, I can get fucked up and strum that kind of stuff, and I kind of suck.

Stevie Ray Vaughan & Jeff Beck

Yeah, he's flashy as fuck, but to say he doesn't have personality? That's just incorrect.

I agree that the fag from Dream Theater is a fag, though.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Vaughn just seems to embody everything that's bad and lame about masturbatory white boy blues guitar. Obviously he's not as objectively horrible as someone like Kenny Wayne Shepherd, but he's sorta responsible for all that shit.

 

[Incandenza]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Dream Theater is aweome.

PUUUULLLL ME UNDER
PUUUULLLL ME UNDER
PULL ME UNDER I'M NOT AFRAID

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Vaughn just seems to embody everything that's bad and lame about masturbatory white boy blues guitar. Obviously he's not as objectively horrible as someone like Kenny Wayne Shepherd, but he's sorta responsible for all that shit.

Aw, there's all kinds of white boy blues guitarists that predate him. Do you feel the same way about Clapton? Even Cream Clapton? Hell, SRV played guitar on Let's Dance!

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Dream Theater is aweome.

PUUUULLLL ME UNDER
PUUUULLLL ME UNDER
PULL ME UNDER I'M NOT AFRAID

 

[Incandenza]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Saying you don't like Dream Theater is tantamount to admitting you're too much of a pussy to handle getting your face rocked off.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

 

[Mattdotcom]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

It's like Erin Andrews is putting ironic quotation marks around those people.

 

[KOAB]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Dream Theater - Erotomania

FUCK YEAH THIS IS NOW THE DREAM THEATER THREAD

 

[Incandenza]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Man, can you imagine what kind of mind-meltingly awesome sounds were coming out of that dude's guitar when this picture was taken??

 

[Byron The Bulb]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

Anyway,

Lou Reed though...man, I can get fucked up and strum that kind of stuff, and I kind of suck.

This was sorta the point I was trying to make with the comparison(s). Lou Reed isn't half as technically proficient as an SRV or whoever, but he's responsible for way more interesting music. The same goes for The Stooges, Ramones, Sex Pistols, etc etc etc. What I've always found sort of weird is that a lot of people who will happily ride for The Stooges or early punk or whatever and talk about how the raw, sloppy fury makes up for the total lack of traditional "musical talent" will act totally aghast if you try to apply that same argument to rap. Like, is there really a world of difference between this

The Stooges - T.V. Eye

and this?

Hard in da paint - Waka flocka flame

 

[Incandenza]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

You're deliberately trying to provoke me.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

I'm not saying you have to actively enjoy (or even tolerate) the music of Waka Flocka Flames, but if you've ever blared Fun House at top volume on your stereo I just don't think you should be completely dismissing its appeal.

 

[KOAB]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

you had to post shitty as waka somehow didn't you

 

[Big Papa Paegan]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

I can kinda see where Byron's coming from, at least argumentively. I wouldn't say that the sloppiness of a Lou Reed, Steve Jones, or Johnny Ramone makes them better at conveying raw emotion than SRV, it's just that it's done a little differently.

I mean, take my favorite guitarist, for instance...

Technically speaking, he's really not that good. His solo's are usually far too full of divebombs and overuse of the wah pedal, especially post-Seasons, and some of his riffs are absolute rubbish (an argument could definitely be made that Hanneman is the more deserving of the two to be a guitar icon, though Hanneman's input isn't quite as vast as King's). However, he has his own style that blends just enough technicality to still make players sit back and say "okay, he's onto something" while being sloppy and raw enough to allow aspiring guitarists to learn. That's something too few guitarists in the post-70's era have: their own identifiable style.

SRV was insanely talented at what he did and rode his abilities into his legendary status before his untimely death. Music's a completely subjective thing, of course, so if you prefer the sloppiness of one proto-punk guitarist then you're allowed to. I just wouldn't put them into the same boat.

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

The Stooges had chops though!

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Byron, what's your fucking problem with Stevie Ray Vaughan anyway?

I'm totally indifferent to Stevie Ray but I found it amusing when all of the oldsters around here had a conniption when SRV won our local classic rock station's Super Bowl of Rock 'n' Roll this year and beat Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and Aerosmith in the process. I think somebody said "This is worse than when Obama was elected!"

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

We don't have a 60's and 70's white guy blues thread. There's some great shit no one remembers. Pretty much 2/3 of my dad's record collection. Stuff like Taste:

Taste - Blister On The Moon

Can't have psychedelia without white guy blues.

Taste - Eat My Words

 

[Precious Roy]

Byron, What's your problem with Jeff Beck?