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At the end of my 9th year on earth I was legit freaked out by Kamala when he came back in 92. Once he acted scared of Taker at SSlam, I was over him being a threat.
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I proudly told the Godfather a few years ago how his WWF mag cover terrified me and I had to sleep with it flipped over under my bed. Godfather popped.
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I'm also glad I told Sgt Slaughter "I'm going to pay you the ultimate compliment... I hated your guts as a kid" (I legit cried when they showed him burning Hogan after WM 7) .
 

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It's crazy that SummerSlam '92 aired two days later on tape delay in the USA. That's maybe last year where internet was not any sort of major factor. Looked it up and they REALLY got in under the wire as internet didn't become widely commercially available in the UK till 1993.

Were the UK exclusive matches (that aired on Prime Time Wrestling in North America) hyped at all on TV?
Tatanka/Berzerker was but got axed. It was hyped in the WWF mag too.
 

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On the actual card, Tatanka/Berzerker went on 2nd to last in between Undertaker/Kamala and the IC Title match.

It's funny to imagine modern fans overreaction to a filler match going on in the 2nd to last slot of a massive supercard. Although I feel like the Big Show-QT Marshall squash was on late at one of the recent AEW PPVs and people were fine.
 

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It's weird they didn't do a house show loop with Mega Powers on top considering they had Warrior available to headline the B shows.
I would suggest the World champ being over shadowed would be bad for long term business.

I would have also enjoyed a Mega Powers/Demo match, but if the Demos were getting face pops at Mania and Summerslam, it probably doesn't help your babyfaces to try and get shine on them. And you don't want the tag champs to do a job when they are at worst a co main event type of feature on the loop.
 

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Mega Powers were co-headliners. I don't think Savage was overshadowed by Hogan at all in '88 tbh. If anything, Hogan probably felt threatened by Savage.

In fact, I feel like Hogan probably didn't do many house show loops as part of a tag team after '86 besides the stupid Mega Maniacs stuff . Brod will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure.

Contradicting Kamala just remembered my dad and brother went to a house show before WrestleMania VIII that was headlined by Hulk Hogan & Roddy Piper Vs SID JUSTICE & Ric Flair.
 

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Mega Powers were co-headliners. I don't think Savage was overshadowed by Hogan at all in '88 tbh. If anything, Hogan probably felt threatened by Savage.

In fact, I feel like Hogan probably didn't do many house show loops as part of a tag team after '86 besides the stupid Mega Maniacs stuff . Brod will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure.

Contradicting Kamala just remembered my dad and brother went to a house show before WrestleMania VIII that was headlined by Hulk Hogan & Roddy Piper Vs SID JUSTICE & Ric Flair.
He did a run with Patera vs the Heenan Family and he and Piper did the "I hate you but I need you" team ups in late 86 into 87.

He and Koko had some matches w/Honky and Kamala (Koko was filling in for Jake)

I'm not sure how much he and Tugboat did on the loop in 90.

Without looking, I bet the number of tag matches he had with the Twin Towers was shockingly low considering it was he and Savage's Fall feud heading into Feb 89. Savage was busy working the loop vs Rude, Bravo, Haku and BN Brown.

Oh yeah and he and Beefcake did a loop w/ Genius and Perfect around early 90.

He did random one offs with Mad Dog, Crusher, etc when they needed to pop a Verne town. That may fall largely in 1986 though.
 

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Looking at HistoryofWWE, I found out this @BruiserBrody dream card

WWF @ Denver, CO - McNichols Arena - March 16, 1987 (3,362)

Jim Duggan defeated Iron Mike Sharpe
Tom Zenk defeated Greg Valentine via disqualification
Rick Martel fought Brutus Beefcake to a time-limit draw
King Kong Bundy defeated Billy Jack Haynes via count-out
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & the Crusher (w/ Jake Roberts dressed as Kimchee) defeated the Honkytonk Man & Kamala when Hogan pinned Kamala
 

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Mega Powers were co-headliners. I don't think Savage was overshadowed by Hogan at all in '88 tbh. If anything, Hogan probably felt threatened by Savage.

In fact, I feel like Hogan probably didn't do many house show loops as part of a tag team after '86 besides the stupid Mega Maniacs stuff . Brod will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure.

Contradicting Kamala just remembered my dad and brother went to a house show before WrestleMania VIII that was headlined by Hulk Hogan & Roddy Piper Vs SID JUSTICE & Ric Flair.
I went to a show at the Richfield Coliseum that was headlined by the same match. Looking back, that card was ROUGH outside of the main event.

 

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Herb Kunze 1997 Summer notes:
- Shawn came back ahead of his planned return and won the WWF tag belts w/Austin. Herb approves of 2 hour RAW giving good workers a chance to shine, but also questions if this will hurt the KotR since Shawn's comeback is now not a selling point. (So basically the same argument has been happening on the internet for 25 years).
- AEW does a barbed wire match the week this pops up in 1997:
RAW was FMW, showing several clips of the bread-and-butter
style of that promotion, as Mankind continued to talk about his past in an
entertaining interview. More garbage wrestling was promised next week. With
the talk of Wing Kanemura and Mr. Gannosuke coming in for a stint, you've
got to think that this is leading to a garbage match, perhaps between
Kanemura and Mankind.
@King of Summer Kamala "Brody, JCP ran a barbed wire match on COTC 1 you ponce!!" *Brody groan*
- Shawn may still be trying to force his way out of WWF.
- Shawn vs Bret and Austin vs Pillman are both being pushed for KotR. Bret's knee is wonky so that may be why he and Shawn's match has a 10 mins stip attached to it.
- Vader's stiff work meets another crow bar:
In the Ken Shamrock vs. Vader match, Vader suffered a broken nose in
four places, and thigh and knee injuries.
Herb is not a fan of hosses:
This week, the wrestling
once again returned to being pretty darn lousy. One can blame the Legion of
Doom in the tag title match. But the greater regression featured the return
of Sycho Sid to the WWF, facing the Undertaker on his first night back.
That match was just as bad as you may remember from WrestleMania, and the
run-in by the totally uncharismatic and poorly-skilled Nation of Domination
made the picture at the top of the promotion seem sad again.
Big changes to the KotR:
In recent weeks, the Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart story line has been pushed
to no end, making for somewhat repetitive, but great, wrestling, angles,
and interviews. This week, that story line also received its time, but
things seemed to move backward and be weakened: Bret Hart had to withdraw
from the King of the Ring because his knee has not healed quickly enough;
ditto with Brian Pillman's ankle; Shawn Michaels vs. Steve Austin, a battle
of the tag champions, was added to KotR, since their opponents backed out,
with that match now having to carry the PPV (and it surely will deliver).
- Bret was asked to come back for Summerslam 96 to work Shawn and put him over again. Bret balked at that idea and waited until Shawn self destructed. Shawn paid him back by getting out of their planned Mania match.
- Meltz' WON covers Shawn's drug and alcohol abuse and how he's been on RAW in recent weeks clearly zonked. Apparently Shawn wearing a bandana on his head on TV was a protest to show he's still in love with Nash on the other channel.
- Shawn has 4 years left on his deal but wants as much money as Bret. Vince said nope and then had creative plan for a back up storyline in case Shawn runs off in protest. (At this point in June he'd only worked 1 match since losing his smile).
- Road Warriors were supposed to win the tag belts at KotR but things change fast...
- PAPA SHANGO as booked by Vince Russo!:
The Undertaker story, to be revealed in time, is that his parents and
he were all set to be buried that fateful night in the cemetary
(about which Paul Bearer spoke), but Papa Shango used his voodoo to bring
Undertaker back to life. Shango has signed a four-year contract to come in
with that story line. First Sid, then Shango...just when you thought the
situation on top couldn't be worse.
Sid, Shango....Am I reading the right year? Is this actually 1992? Wait....
Paul Diamond may return as Max Moon for the
lightheavyweight division.
But can they keep up with Eric Shelly?:
The Observer also reports that the WWF has completed no deals with
FMW, EMLL, or Michinoku Pro at this time, but that it is expected
that something will be worked out with each promotion.
HHH or Nash???
Helmsley,
despite the promise of his rookie period, has never matured into a
well rounded wrestler. Instead, he's stuck as a mediocre performer
with great hair.
-Pillman's return was done on RAW shooting right to the Austin match. Herb was let down by Pillman's work not being anywhere near where he once was.
- The Sandman appeared on RAW, during the ECW vs USWA match, giving Herb a chance to riff that Crush wasn't the worst worker to be on WWF TV this week.
- The infamous Shawn/Bret backstage brawl occurs. Shawn tries to quit the WWF again over "unsafe working conditions". Ken Shamrock is the big winner as he was plunked into Shawn's spot in the USA vs Canada feud.
On 06/10, one day after Shawn Michaels walked out of the promotion in a
huff, Vince McMahon released a memo saying, "Last night in Hartford, Shawn
Michaels breached his contract by refusing to perform. We are hopefull
Shawn will reconsider his position and return to work. Shawn has four years
to go on his five-year contract." It is well known that Michaels wants to
jump to WCW, but that he is stuck in the WWF contract. However, unlike past
WWF contracts where a performer could be forced to the sidelines (or
voluntarily walk out) and not receive any pay while his contract ran out,
Shawn's contract has a "down side guarantee," which means that he gets paid
$15K a week minimum for the duration of his contract. Obviously, if he
works, he can earn much more than that. But if he decides he really wants
to leave, he can drain $750K a year from the WWF by sitting on the
sidelines. Surely, that is a situation that Vince McMahon can't accept. But
can he accept letting Shawn leave and show up in WCW?
- Sid took his eyes off the road while driving Flash Funk, Furnas and Lafon around and crashed the car. With Sid out, Goldust will be put in his place in the USA vs Canada feud.
- The USWA vs ECW stuff is supposed to lead to a PPV match in either Aug or Sept to settle things.
Another week, another major injury:
RAW was a weaker show than usual this past week, thanks to the absence
of Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, and Steve Austin. In the opening
segment, Ahmed Johnson tried to explain his new affiliation with the
NOD; the segment ended when Crush, Brian Lee, and the Harris twins
showed up on motorcycles, all dressed in leather. Their group is known
as DOA, the Disciples Of the Apocalypse, although it likely also
describes the television rating during their appearance. This was a
very sad angle. Worse yet, Ahmed Johnson suffered a legit knee injury
during the angle, which may even pull him out of action, bad news
since he is scheduled to headline the next PPV.
I loved the angle at the time.
- Herb debates the merits of ECW allowing itself to be put on the same level as USWA, while Heyman on commentary tries to make ECW sound like Vince's competition.
- In late June, Shawn's hardball games fail as he tried to quit the WWF, which allowed Vince to freeze him out of his 15K a week deal instead of paying him to sit at home and pout. The WON says Bret vs Shawn will not be done on air anymore.
Injuries totally altered Canadian Stampede:
The WWF has In Your House on 07/06/97. Tentative line-up has:
* Undertaker vs. Ahmed Johnson for the WWF Title
* Bret Hart & Owen Hart & Davey Boy Smith & Jim Neidhart & Brian
Pillman vs. Steve Austin & Goldust & Legion of Doom & Ken Shamrock
* Mankind vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley
* Great Sasuke vs. Taka Michinoku
* Sid vs. Vader (But Herb I thought Goldust was replacing Sid in the main event?
- Herb is unimpressed with the WWF roster heading into the July PPV:
The Nation of Domination (Faarooq, Ahmed Johnson (injured), D.Lo
Brown, and Kama Mustapha). The Disciples of Apocalypse (Crush, Brian
Lee, and the Harris Twins). Savio Vega's Puerto Rican contingent
(Vega, Miguel Perez, and two other unimpressive-looking wrestling, as
Puerto Rican nurtured wrestling talent tends to be). Top ECW guys
(Sabu, Van Dam, and others), who can't beat established WWF prelim
guys, and are pushed as feuding with the USWA, the few wrestlers from
which are not particularly impressive. The Lightheavyweight division
is pushed as offering great high-flying action, but to this point
showcases small guys, mostly established jobbers, but all not offering
a different style. The Hart Foundation has several excellent wrestlers
in it, but seems to offer little great wrestling as well because, with
the exception of Steve Austin, there's nobody to wrestle.
And Corny debuted the Head Hunters on RAW....
But there's some major talent coming to save the day:
Reports are that Buddy Landel had a tryout with WCW, with the idea
of bringing him in as an NWO Nature Boy. Despite the fact that Buddy
could work the microphone, this sounds like a terrible idea. But as
you have that thought, realize that the WWF just gave Van Hammer a
tryout. And Men On a Mission's Oscar was saying that MOM would be
returning to the WWF. Was I saying something about a talent dearth
earlier?
- Heyman makes peace:
The Observer reports that there were some serious problems backstage
at the 06/23 RAW show. Rob Van Dam was scheduled to work against
Double J Jesse James with a double count-out booked as the finish. Van
Dam apparently didn't appreciate a top ECW star being booked as unable
to beat a WWF prelim wrestler and remarked that "it would be like Bret
Hart going to ECW and losing to one of their job guys. Several WWF
officials, Gerald Brisco in particular, found it insulting that Van
Dam would compare himself to Bret Hart and there were a lot of
complaints about Van Dam thinking he was much bigger of a star than he
really is. It nearly killed the ECW/WWF deal completely [aside: the
deal is that the WWF will let ECW appear on RAW to hype their second
PPV] buy Paul Heyman's ability to play both sides looks to have saved
it."
- Brian Christopher did commentary for the Sasuke vs Taka RAW rematch and refers to them as "Japs" earning an on air scolding from Vince.
- WCW talent cuts:
The Observer reports that WCW has let a dozen wrestlers go, including
Craig Pittman, Michael Wallstreet, Nasty Boys, Jim Duggan, Joe Gomez, Ice
Train, and Nancy Sullivan. I can't think of any reason to keep any of these
people around; good move!
If any of that were true, Ice Train should have been in the NOD by summer's end.
Can you imagine Hacksaw Duggan being dropped into the USA vs Canada feud?
- July 7th - The Trooper finally makes it to the big leagues:
The Patriot, Del Wilkes, debuted on RAW this week. He was officially fired
by All Japan for claiming that he needed surgery on his elbow when he
really wanted to steal the time for his WWF try-out. There is a lot of talk
that Johnny Ace won't be far behind.
- Herb drones on about Japan Japan Japan workrate. Then says he hopes Tajiri isn't going to be a WWF staple and buries the Dude Love debut. Maybe just watch your Japan tapes Herbo, instead of hate watching WCW and WWF?
- Sid vs Vader was penciled in for SSlam, but Sid's back injury will cause that to change.
- RVD showed up backstage at Nitro to try and get himself a better contract offer from Vince or Heyman.
- Bret's good...but Japan Japan Japan...
Bret Hart lost to the Patriot in a match that did nothing to get the
Patriot over as a superstar. To casual fans, the commentary buried him
as a nobody: "he's been wrestling in Japan for the past few years,
never wrestling anybody the caliber of a WWF superstar like Bret Hart"
(paraphrased). To fans that are aware of Japanese wrestling, the
commentary was directly insulting. Patriot has worked in All Japan,
alongside Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa, Toshiaki Kawada, and Jun
Akiyama, to name just a few, all of whom are a notch up the list of
greatness in comparison to Bret Hart (as great as I think Bret is).
- The light heavyweight booking isn't going well. Heading into Summerslam the WWF put Ace Darling vs Devon Storm on Raw cold and gave them 2 mins. (I'm pretty sure I geeked out over the match at the time as I knew Storm from WCW and both men were PWI hyped. Was the yearly Super 8 Indy tournament a thing by this point? I believe so?
- The Nasty Boys and Paul Roma are expected to head back to the WWF post Summerslam. (I'll book Roma w/Tom Brandi as Sal's cousin)
- Vince better call a legal intern:
ECW is also upset with the WWF about the Steve Austin home video that
features the "Steve-A-Mania" sketch from ECW, claiming that the
promotion had no permission to use it.
- Is Icopro still a thing?:
From the Observer, "There's a locker room joke that the guys rib Ron
Simmons with. They bend over and ask Simmons to kick them in the
kidneys so they can put on 30 pounds of muscle like Ahmed Johnson did
after he had his kidney injured."
- The biggest star in Hollywood's humble beginnings:
I flicked on the TV this morning to check the news headlines and saw
the opening promo for Maury Povich's talk show. It may have been a
rebroadcast. In any case, guests were revealing their fantasies to
friends or family members and then living them out for a moment. One
young woman wanted to be a pro-wrestler after being a fan for four
months. They brought out the WWF's Rocky Maivia (introduced as "World
Wrestling Federation champion Rocky Maivia" by Maury) who said that he
had trained her a bit. Next, from Parts Unknown, came Dr. X, Tom
Prichard under a hood, who proceeded to take two bumps for the guest
and give up a quick pin. Pretty embarrassing.
- Jim Neidhart was fired before Summerslam, so his goatee shaving stip was dropped (Wasn't this actually Jim having a contract issue with an indy promoter messing with his WWF deal or something like that?)
- Sid apparently was given an injury settlement and released.
- Post Summerslam:
- HBK's knee is really bad and he may be on very limited dates.
 

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I don't think Savage was overshadowed by Hogan at all in '88 tbh.
Yes, he was. Savage held his own in the ring as champion, yet was always positioned as second fiddle to Hogan. Apter mags and the like ran articles about it, claiming that Hogan was playing Savage's bodyguard by turning back all of the potential world title challengers.

I'm not going to attempt speaking for every wrestling fan in 1988, but the perception certainly seemed to be that most were enjoying Savage's reign...while also waiting for Hogan to take the title back. Hogan was always more important, even without the WWF championship.
 

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Yeah, I mean I wasn’t watching weekly as a newborn. That’s just my perspective as a fan watching the shows later but Savage at least seemed like a very strong #2 or a 1B.

Dropoff didn’t as obvious as it was in ‘90. Despite card placement, Rude/Warrior seemed so much less important than Hogan/Earthquake.
 

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Yes, he was. Savage held his own in the ring as champion, yet was always positioned as second fiddle to Hogan. Apter mags and the like ran articles about it, claiming that Hogan was playing Savage's bodyguard by turning back all of the potential world title challengers.
It’s funny. Through a great portion of wrestling history that’s exactly how it works. Champion has policeman gatekeeper turn back potential challengers who can’t be trusted to lay down.
 

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Yes, he was. Savage held his own in the ring as champion, yet was always positioned as second fiddle to Hogan. Apter mags and the like ran articles about it, claiming that Hogan was playing Savage's bodyguard by turning back all of the potential world title challengers.

I'm not going to attempt speaking for every wrestling fan in 1988, but the perception certainly seemed to be that most were enjoying Savage's reign...while also waiting for Hogan to take the title back. Hogan was always more important, even without the WWF championship.
Yup... look at the post Summerslam stuff when the feuds split off:
Hogan got the heavy heat beat down by Bossman on Brother Love. Savage was roped into the feud and worked Akeem.
Then BN Brown accused Liz of blowing Tunney. Savage worked the loop w/ Brown but Hogan beat him clean on SNME.
 

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Summerslam 88 (if feuds were put on PPV)
Mega Powers vs Mega Bucks
Jake vs Rude
Brutus (Warrior) vs Honky
Muraco vs Valentine
*Hart Foundation vs Rougeaus
Hacksaw vs Dino Bravo
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Non feud smash matches for new guys:
Powers of Pain vs Bolsheviks
Koko vs Bossman
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Demolition vs Tito/Ken Patera **
Jim Neidhart vs BN Brown
Bret Hart vs Curt Hennig

So the Hart Foundation had the issue with Jimmy Hart holding their contracts over their heads, so they could go w/Harts vs Rougeaus OR at the house shows we saw WM 4 drama played out as Hart and Neidhart both got shots at revenge against BN Brown. (Supposedly the start of Bret's 1st real singles push....)
Hennig just came in at the end of July so he and Bret could have a hum dinger to kick off the show. Hennig didn't challenge Hart until WM 5, but we could FFWD the chain of events in a battle of excellence.
The Rougeaus and Harts could still mess with the Foundation in one or both matches if need be.

** In this scenario, Strike Force is offered a rematch, but Demolition has injured Martel, so Tito is given a chance to select a partner. Enter Patera, who they can show the clips from the winter time where Patera and Brady Boone where feuding with Demolition and Patera can say he never properly got his pound of flesh off Demolition, so now he's going to take their belts.
Patera can be the cannon fodder for the cleanish win.
 

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I never saw Savage as less than Hogan, at least not until WCW. As a kid I remember Savage on TV consistently, more than I remember Hogan, and he always had something prominent. Even when the stupid feuds happened (Dusty, for example) he had a consistent presence and always felt like he was slumming it instead of just being depushed. There's a difference between a main eventer feuding with midcarders and a main eventer getting dropped back into the midcard, if that makes sense. And besides, Savage drew stupid money in 1989.

Rewatched the Boiler Room Brawl and yeah, once they leave the boiler room and the pretape ends, it gets awesome. Still can't think of a bad Taker/Mankind match.
 

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That hot coffee spot in the first Boiler Room Brawl scared me as a kid. Burns were sort of triggering to me. Same with Nash throwing coffee in Big Show's face before injuring him on a botched powerbomb.
 

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Sidebar more fitting for the Survivor Series 2022 rewatch thread but I never got how Chris Jericho was supposed to be the babyface in his feud with Kane. We're supposed to cheer for the guy cause he's making fun of a burn victim that he spilled hot coffee on? I guess that's the Attitude Era for ya.
 

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You know a good thing about SummerSlam being in July is I can do rewatches backward since SummerSlam TRADITIONALLY took place on last Sunday or Monday in August (pushes up glasses). I definitely want to rewatch some of the New Gen era ones, might catch one of the '00s I never saw and mayybe (but probably not) 2020 and 2021 since I never watched them. I heard last year was mostly NG and I'm not sure if I'm ready to reminisce about ThunderDome/no fans era.
 

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I think SummerSlam had a big event feel during its residency in the Staples Center from 2009 to 2014 and to a much lesser extent, its residency at Barclays Center from 2015 to 2018. In retrospect though, that Barclays stretch really felt like a harbinger of things to come. Fact that WWE couldn't generate serious interest or create genuine buzz amongst casuals while being in the biggest media market in the world for a 3-4 day stretch during the deadest of times of year for news is kind of pathetic.

Every year NXT TakeOver showed them up (also sign that SummerSlam was at least still kind of important in the 2010s---first TakeOver at an arena was before a SummerSlam not a WM!) and its not a matter of NXT's roster being better than the main show. It's just the people producing those shows cared more.
 

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The NXT shows at Barclay's were so special. They felt much more like an old Summerslam did. I've never been able to just enjoy a Summerslam after 2003. Like there's definitely moments on shows but the shows as a whole just never hit right.
 
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