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So, when I bought my PS3 last summer, I managed to score one of the elusive 80GB MGS4 bundles. MGS4 was my first REAL experience with the entire series. I say "real" because I'd played the original Metal Gear on NES - but it was a rental and I didn't have enough time to get into it.

After finishing off MGS4 I wanted to check out the rest of the story.. I guess treating the other games as "prequels" in my mind made it easier to deal with. I bought the Metal Gear Essentials collection for PS1/2 about 6 months ago and just finally got around to playing through and finishing MGS1 a few months back. I am now about 85% through MGS2. The MGS3 that came with the collection is only the single disc version, however, so I went out and found the 2 disc that comes with the original MSX2 versions of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake - 8 bit games, yes, but still really fun to play.

I'm really loving this entire series. I REALLY didn't know what I was missing with this franchise.. damn. :p

Are any of the PSP games worth getting? I am probably picking up a PSP this fall and figure I'd ask.
 

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I think the games are good, but the get worse the more they advance through the series as far I'm concerned. I had a cheeky grin with the slight nod towards MGS in MGS4 near the end, that was nice.
 

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MGS for the PSX is one of the greatest games ever made. End of discussion.
 

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MGS was awesome, mainly because nothing had quiet been done like it before, however each carnation of the game just lacked the story telling elements. They were either to contrived or just plain lazy (take your pick) and full of clichés. As for the PSP game I've heard decent things about Portal Ops, but that was from the Sony rep who was pushing for us to push it in store at the time.
 

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MGS had the originality, atmosphere, story.

MGS2 had the gameplay.

MGS3 had The Sorrow. And the Motorcycle Chase.

MGS4 was great.
 

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MGS4 was cool for what it was, but just got lazy/ran out of steam the further it got through the game in regards to the game giving way to movie elements. The boss fight was very disappointing and far too prescripted, in fact, most of the boss fights were poor and too easy. The only one I liked was the Mantis one as it took the piss out of you for thinking it would be the same.
 

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MGS may well be my favorite series ever. All four of them are probably in my top 20 or so favorite games of all time. Such a fantastic series.

MGS - Just incredible for its time, so far beyond anything else before in terms of storytelling. The gameplay is way outdated today, but still an all-time classic.

MGS2 - The story was a little bit of a convoluted mess, but the gameplay was good enough to make up for it. I didn't mind Raiden, but I wish they'd stayed away from some of the anime style philosophical crap.

MGS3 - Good gameplay, not quite as good as MGS2, but it brought the story again. Best ending in the history of videogames, hands down.

MGS4 - Perfect end to the series, wrapped everything up way more cleanly than I ever would have thought possible, even managing to explain some of the mess that MGS2 left reasonably convincingly. Best gameplay of the series too, I loved the sneaking on crowded battlefields in acts 1 and 2. I just loved this from beginning to end (
except it should have stopped at the first credits, one twist too many
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Yeah, <3 MGS like woah. I tried to play the original Metal Gears, but could never get into them because they're just so primitive. Maybe when I'm in a patient mood I'll give them another try. Konami should remake them MGS style!
 

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Metal Gear Rising.
 

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Jer said:
MGS2 - The story was a little bit of a convoluted mess, but the gameplay was good enough to make up for it. I didn't mind Raiden, but I wish they'd stayed away from some of the anime style philosophical crap.

Wow, no shit. I just finished this last night and at times I felt like I was watching the last Matrix movie with that old dude and Neo. Still a great game, though.

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Love the series. To me all of them had the "can't put them down" feeling.

Yup, I totally agree with that. I wasn't even planning on finishing MGS2 last night but couldn't stop going til the end! MGS3 starts tonight! :D
 

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I loved MGS and MGS2. 3 was real good at the time but didn't leave me with the "I want to replay this again" feeling the others did. MGS4 was not very good at all. Didn't feel like the same series at that point to me.
 

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Ive only played MGS3 once and i dont really have a desire to replay it. Which is odd considering its probably the best storyline wise in the series. Gotta love the Sorrows radio codes if you hit the shoulder button during FMVs.
 

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I finished MGS2 last week (am already half way through MGS3) and I figured I'd post my impressions from my blog. I really enjoyed the game, as confusing as the storyline was. Easily a favourite.

Gaming Impressions: Metal Gear Solid 2 - Sons of Liberty

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty / メタルギア ソリッド2 サンズ・オブ・リバティ
(PS2, Konami)

About a year ago I purchased a PS3 that was bundled with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. I loved the story behind that game so much that, after I finished it, I went out and picked up the Metal Gear Solid Essential Collection. The collection contains the three other main console titles in the series - Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (the Substance version) and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (the Subsistence version).

Even though I’m writing this particular post about MGS2, a few months ago I finished MGS1. I thought it was a great gaming experience despite the aging of the graphics technology. I’ve actually picked up Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes for GameCube - which is a remake of MGS1 but with souped up visuals and new audio, and I’ll be going through that and posting impressions soon as well. But since MGS2 is the most fresh in my mind, this is the one we’re going with today.

MGS2 is split into two chapters. The first takes place in 2007 (2 years after the events in MGS1) on an oil tanker dubbed the U.S.S. Discovery. As Solid Snake, you infiltrate the tanker to discover that it’s actually housing the newest form of Metal Gear: RAY - an amphibious weapon of war. Things get hairy after a visit from some unexpected guests in the form of a Russian military outfit and the arrival of an old friend (read: enemy). All hell breaks loose and the tanker is cracked in two, supposedly creating an off-shore environmental disaster what with all the oil it spilled. Chapter one ends.

The second chapter takes place 2 years later in 2009. You’re now controlling Jack, aka Raiden, a rookie member of FOXHOUND on his first real life mission. Up until this point he’d only been involved in VR battle simulations. The location of this chapter takes place on the exact same waters.. except this time you are on the Big Shell - a clean up facility designed to deal with the mess that the tanker left after it’s destruction. Why is Raiden here? The President’s been kidnapped and taken to the Big Shell by that same Russian military outfit, along with a terrorist group known as Dead Cell. Raiden’s role is to save the President.. or is it?

That’s as far into the plot that I will go to avoid spoilers for anyone out there who hasn’t played the game yet. Sure it’s old, but I hadn’t played it til just this past month. Some of us are slow on the uptake, alright?! All I have to say is.. final battle? EPIC - Nuff said.

Anyway, the game has aged well, in my opinion. It builds upon the engine set out in MGS1 but adds several more levels of dynamic gameplay to it. Sneaking is still the top aspect to this game, but there are lots of new combat options as well. The whole fact that Raiden eventually gets a katana is just pure awesomeness.

Graphics are much better than it’s PS1 predecessor, which was to be expected, but they’ve actually aged very well themselves. It didn’t feel at all like I was playing a game that was made in 2001! As for sound.. I find that aside from story (which was a tad confusing at times but still solid from my vantage point), that’s one thing that Kojima Productions always gets right! The music is just phenomenal. Just like with SFIV, if find myself humming these tunes at any given moment during the day. The voice over work is spot on, as well. That’s one thing I like about every MGS game that I’ve played so far - the voice over work has always been very professional and not the normal garbage we’d get for games produced in Japan that eventually come over here - KOEI, I’m looking at you!

As far as extras go - there are quite a few. Lots of additional content to read through contained within the game, VR missions, playable side-missions titled “Snake Tales” and a fun little skateboarding game where you channel Tony Hawk while aboard the Big Shell.

Bottom line - excellent buy, and and definitely worth coming back to down the road for a second go.. when I have the time! At first I was a little disappointed that Snake wasn’t the main character for the majority of the game.. but I got over it pretty quickly. Raiden is an interesting character and I’m psyched to see more from him in Metal Gear Solid: Rising.

...also, Kojima on Rising & Peacewalker:

Kojima says MGS: Peace Walker is his MGS5, calls Rising a 'different kind of action' game

Despite stating that he would be more hands-off with the Metal Gear Solid games after the fourth installment, Kojima has decided to once again roll up his sleeves and get his hands dirty with Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. Speaking with Japanese mag Famitsu (via PSPHyper), the gaming icon has said that Peace Walker will pretty much be his MGS5 -- something that will likely be excellent news to every Genome soldier reading this very post -- and that the MGS4 team will be working on it. (For some new Peace Walker screens, fresh out of Kojima Productions, check out our gallery embedded below).

Moving on to Metal Gear Solid Rising, Kojima says the game will include "a completely different kind of action than what has appeared in the series so far," though we're not sure if that's a good or bad thing. He also mentioned that he will be involved with the project "more deeply" than a normal producer which, considering the expectations and the new engine involved, makes sense.

The implicit bad news here: With all this Metal Gear stuff taking up Kojima's time (not to mention Castlevania: Lords of Shadow), we're unlikely to see that rumored Snatcher and/or Zone of the Enders and/or Something Else title anytime soon.
 

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loved the first and the third. second was shit, but I liked Raiden. I think the moment I hated MSG2 is when the fat fuck boss was rollerblading and a shot to the head didn't do any damage.
 

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Ah, the MGS series.

-The original MGS was a fuckin' masterpiece, period. Even if the combat system was a bit awkward, the rest of it more than made up for that deficiency. An awesome, awesome game.

-MGS2: my first thought was, "...what the fuck is this happy horseshit?". Although once I got used to it, I gotta admit that I didn't hate Raiden nearly as much as many gamers seemed to. The series can't forever have just one aging protagonist, live with it. The new crew of villains did feel like an overblown parody of those from the previous game, but that did turn out to have a point after all. The gameplay was much improved, but that awful final 90 minutes of cutscenes did kinda undermine the rest of the gaming experience.

-MGS3: when I first heard about the new concepts, I thought it was a bad, bad idea. No radar? Mostly outside in the jungle? Freakin' camoflauge and eating animals making up a major part of your strategy? Fortunately, that stuff actually didn't matter all that much, or it didn't in the easier difficulty levels that I play it at anyway. It had a damn good story, and the ending was easily the best one I've seen outta this series so far, managing to explain a lot of previously inexplicable shit.

-MGS4: dunno, still haven't gotten around to playing it.

And surely I'm not the only one who has become strangely addicted to all the VR Missions? Some of those are so weird, so much more difficult than anything in the actual main-line gameplay, that I actually have fun trying to get it all right.
 

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Loved them all, and I'd say the four games(not counting the nes and various handhelds) belong in the top 20 if not top 10 games of all-time. Then again I'm the type of guy who's easy to please, but can still appreciate high quality stuff as such whether it be wrestling, movies, games, etc so that statement is purely based on my wide yet simple taste.
 

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Just finished MGS3 on Sunday night. So, now I can rank them, off the top of my head.

1. MGS3
2. MGS4
3. MGS
4. MGS2

I'm actually gonna have to tie MGS4 & MGS come to think of it. But yeah, MGS3 was the shit. Totally awesome story which sets up the Big Boss character. Great gameplay. I love the lack of a radar actually, as it made the game feel much more realistic.
 

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My order is probably MGS4 > MGS3 > MGS > MGS2. I agree about the radar, I like MGS3 and MGS4 where you have tools to help you keep tabs on enemy locations but not a full blown radar. It makes things more tactical. MGS and MGS2 end up seeming kind of too easy in retrospect.
 

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My one gripe with the MGS games is the fact that the enemys are always in the same position everytime you play the game. Makes learning their movements far too easy.
 

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Metal Gear for NES is a lot worse than I remembered it being. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO USE KEYCARD 2 LATE IN THE GAME WHEN I HAVE 7 KEYCARDS ALREADY AARGH
 

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I picked up the HD Collection today. Excited to finally play PeaceWalker. Anyone else have this?
 

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Uk release is this Friday.

Im however annoyed at amazon because of it.

Before Christmas they had their pre order at £20.33 which matched another site (asdadirect). Due to me having good releations with amazon i stuck with them. Cue two weeks later when asda stopped their £20.33 promotion and amazon CANCELLED all existing preorders due to a "technical problem" with the listing. The price shot up to £28.67 and all the previous preorders are not being honored according to their customer support.

Except some people did get their order honored.

So im not getting it from amazon im gonna shop around or wait for the price drop.
 

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I'm really enjoying Peace Walker. It's like they took everything good about Portable Ops and just maxed it out. Really fun game so far. Looks really nice too for something that was originally a PSP game.
 

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I spent all day in my room playing MGS3 trying to shoot all 64 frogs. All day. And the trophy didn't register when I shot the last frog during the Boss battle.
:( :( :(

I really wanted the stealth camo, but after all of that I have no desire to go through that again. Those last few frogs during the bike chase were AWFUL. So bummed.

Gonna take a little break from MGS, but Peace Walker is up next. Like a dork, I bought a used PSP a couple of years ago just to play this. But it'll be great to play this with a dualshock on a big tv. With the PSP, the handheld controls were a little awkward, and the buttons on my PSP weren't so great.

Also looking forward to Reveangance and Ground Zeroes. I know Revengeance is a bit controversial, but I have no problems with it being a straight up action hack n' slash. I'm a big fan of the team that's behind it. Bayonetta and Vanquish are excellent.
 

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Ground zeroes looks cool, but I'm sick of prequels/big boss. Solid is my favorite character ever and I have only got to play as him twice.
 

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