2016 Election Thread (ROUND FIVE!)

[909]

909 [6:44 PM]
I wonder if Obamacare will actually be repealed

909 [6:44 PM]
it will be renamed


Said this on Wednesday fam.

 

[Edwin]

It's already clear that he's completely overwhelmed and directionless. He's hiding from the press. Still tweeting as if he's a private citizen. Either he damages the system in all the ways you laid out or he doesn't last a year. The problem is that he has far too much hubris to resign and the GOP wouldn't dare impeach their own president even if the establishment would much prefer to have Pence in there. So, he probably lashes out all over, or becomes a complete figurehead and does nothing but stamp what congress sends him.

It's completely uncharted territory. I have no real idea what to expect beyond a lot of GOP fever dreams coming true in the short term.

 

[909]

I think he's gonna be at war with the Senate and I don't expect much to happen domestically during his term. Foreign affairs though...

 

[bigolsmitty]

909 [6:44 PM]
I wonder if Obamacare will actually be repealed

909 [6:44 PM]
it will be renamed


Said this on Wednesday fam.

Apparently subsidies on the exchanges will be gone, so it will be meaningless.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

becomes a complete figurehead and does nothing but stamp what congress sends him.

My money is on this. I don't think he ever wanted to put in the work required of a President, hell he couldn't even be bothered to prepare for the debates. I think his plan if he won was to be America's CEO, delegating all the actual work to his underlings, Pence especially (shudder). "Does this Make America Great Again? Yeah? OK, I'll sign." I don't think he'll even bother reading most (if not all) of the stuff that crosses his desk before signing.

 

[KOAB]

I'm honestly somewhat afraid for our democracy. I know Trump is full of shit. But.

He said he wanted to jail political opponents. He said he wanted to go after the press. He threatened to not respect the results of the election if he lost. He's switched between liberal, conservative, and centrist political statements throughout his life but has constantly praised dictators and authoritarians: the Chinese leadership for their massacre at Tiananmen, Putin, Kim Jong Un. I'm not inclined to believe much of what he says, but on these things I am. Or at least I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Our democracy isn't a given, and a lot of our relative stability has been based on leaders respecting norms.

It's happened in the recent past in Russia, and it's happening right now in places like Hungary and Turkey.

I would normally agree with you on this but when I look at the periods when Trump started praising these scum... it was when he started building this bullshit tough guy say what you mean deal setting the table for this run. Of course this is just hopefulness that someone doesn't just change who they are which at the end of the day Trump is still a manipulative asshole who will play whatever part is necessary to get ahead in life.

It's already clear that he's completely overwhelmed and directionless. He's hiding from the press. Still tweeting as if he's a private citizen. Either he damages the system in all the ways you laid out or he doesn't last a year. The problem is that he has far too much hubris to resign and the GOP wouldn't dare impeach their own president even if the establishment would much prefer to have Pence in there. So, he probably lashes out all over, or becomes a complete figurehead and does nothing but stamp what congress sends him.

It's completely uncharted territory. I have no real idea what to expect beyond a lot of GOP fever dreams coming true in the short term.

Yeah this is kinda the terrifying aspect. Trump's a guy who markets ideas in real time as was shown in his rallies when he would do it for something as simple as all the nicknames for his opponents... and if the crowd wouldn't respond it was done and never brought up again. I witnessed it when I saw one of the few times he actually tried to get into the meat of his healthcare plan ideas as he put on his reading glasses and began going thru a few pages... this lasted for about 3 minutes of uncomfortable silence before he crumbled that paper up and took off his glasses and went back to his usual spiel of BUILD THE WALL... never to be tried again.

Now he's gonna be around this weird echo chamber to him that's going to suck up to him while implementing their own ideals... which wouldn't be as terrifying with a regular politician going thru it but someone like Trump who at one moment will despise a yes man and a few minutes later will freak out on someone trying to stand up for themselves and have their own opinion... not good. And when he finds out he can't just fire everyone that will have a backbone at the wrong times... or won't challenge him in the "right" moments...

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

Wish Kasich accepted that VP job. The fact that he was offered the position first tells you where Trump falls on the conservative spectrum

 

[bigolsmitty]

I would normally agree with you on this but when I look at the periods when Trump started praising these scum... it was when he started building this bullshit tough guy say what you mean deal setting the table for this run.

Trump was praising the Chinese for massacring dissidents in 1990.

Also, apparently Paul Ryan is going to try to privatize Medicare. CAN'T WAIT

 

[BruiserBrody]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-loses-2016-election-214439

Good read on the fact that Clinton may not have been as confident as the polls would have suggested she be.

 

[KOAB]

Like I said this is just the one remaining hopeful point I have that I didn't know existed in me. Also for someone with his ego he'll want to be looked at in historical terms as a good President. That's literally the only hope about this manipulative conman... is that at the end of the day he still has that desire.

That's all I got.

 

[Damaramu]

There were reports today that the Trump people want to keep 1) pre-existing condition coverage 2) stay on parents' plan until 26 and 3) Medicaid expansion. Hard to have 1) without keeping the individual mandate and not having costs explode but LOL deficits don't matter when there's a Republican president.

That's not quite true. That's just stuff they can't get rid of without a super majority.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/donald-trump-republicans-obamacare/index.html

 

[Damaramu]

It's already clear that he's completely overwhelmed and directionless. He's hiding from the press. Still tweeting as if he's a private citizen. Either he damages the system in all the ways you laid out or he doesn't last a year. The problem is that he has far too much hubris to resign and the GOP wouldn't dare impeach their own president even if the establishment would much prefer to have Pence in there. So, he probably lashes out all over, or becomes a complete figurehead and does nothing but stamp what congress sends him.

It's completely uncharted territory. I have no real idea what to expect beyond a lot of GOP fever dreams coming true in the short term.

What a world. A president resigns because the job is too hard for him.

 

[geniusMoment]

I've long believed Trump's endgame was to use his loss to start a right-wing media network and make billions. While being able to do things he loves (going to rallies etc..).

The images in this article are priceless. Trump looks like he is about to cry. I'm about 90% sure he hates this more than anyone.


http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-doesnt-like-this-any-more-than-you-do-1788862854

 

[still fly]

72 hours into President elect Trump and now he doesn't want the job . The denial is delicious

 

[CookieMueller]

Can Mark Burnett just release the "n-word tapes" already?

 

[NoCalMike]

Blaaaarg.

http://wvxu.org/post/trump-chooses-ken-blackwell-lead-domestic-transition#stream/0

 

[kkktookmybabyaway]

Took me two separate sessions, but I got through it. Fun read, guys.

Congrats on the little one, Smitty!

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

you're the only kkk it's good to see!

 

[NoCalMike]

Whoa, I haven't seen dude in forever. Welcome back bud.

 

[Richard]

One of my co-workers was attacked at a bus stop today. So it's hitting close to home. I think my family is white enough to avoid abuse (though I read a person was targeted for using sign language, so who the hell knows), but my sister's baby daddy is definitely not. So now I have to worry about my sister and her baby. Not saying we're more important than anyone else, but we all look out for our loved ones above all else.

 

[BruiserBrody]

Megyn Kelly suggests in her new book that Team Trump may have poisoned her.

You can take this a few ways. I got it from a Right wing twitter account. Get a degree kids.

 

[Damaramu]

So about some of the policies suggested that'll just increase corruption and make the rich richer...

Do Republicans truly believe that their policies will work for the little guy? I mean they all seem like they'd work in theory of the rich person or business or CEO that was getting helped did the right thing instead of just lining their own pocket.
I mean they would work if it was a perfect world, but it's not and their greedy.

 

[BruiserBrody]

I remain flabbergasted that Trump's Cabinet is loaded with Fox News pundits. I suppose that's bias since I think their all goofs, but on the other hand, several million people know and trust these wackadoos. Hard to say they are "the best" option. Rudy is now apparently pulling for Secretary of State instead of attorney general. Good lord. And the Chief of police for Milwaukee is suddenly going to be the national terrorist expert. The room is spinning!

MSNBC is at least sounding alarms on all the shit that is about to go down, but they are still playing the indignant race card as why they lost and not an uninspired voting base/scandal hounded candidate.

 

[bigolsmitty]

Couple of points of order.

1) Nate Silver's model was right

2) All the talk of a blue electoral college wall was so much bullshit *cough snuffbox*

3) Looks like the FBI and Russia swung things just enough

 

[Mickey Massuco]

Nate's model was based on polls that got the turnout wrong, a p. big issue. KOAB's model was far better.

 

[bigolsmitty]

The national polls were closer to right than they were in 2012. The state polls in the Midwestern states were off more, but that is accounted for by the number of undecideds and related uncertainty, which Silver constantly emphasized.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

It sounds like the argument here isn't so much that Nate was right, but that he was less wrong than all the other forecasts.

But when I say they got the turnout wrong, I don't mean overall. I mean that they underestimated the amount of white, working-class voters that showed up, and the polls wrongly assumed that they would vote democrat again. That was the swing in the swing states that Trump won, making that a specific, important flaw. KOAB accounted for that in his model, he told me himself.

 

[still fly]

Polls also assumed that 2016 would be similar to 2012 turnout. Minority turnout was very overrepresented IMO.

 

[909]

Rand Paul came out today and called John Bolton and Rudy G unfit.

He won't be the only one I'm sure.

 

[bigolsmitty]

The polls actually understated Clinton's support in several states with high Latino populations.