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wtf did David Benoit do wrong?
He's said his dad deserves to go into the WWE Hall of Fame in the next few years. Even by the stunningly low standards of the professional wrestling industry, his delusion and lack of self awareness is painful!

I'm not saying my girl Jordynne's criticism wasn't misguided but the fact that THIS is what caused her to reassess her cancel culture vulture status is wild. Only in wrestling!
 

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David Benoit more annoys me because he will take literally any chance to get his name out there and never actually do anything to capitalize on it. Dude could've parlayed this into choosing his narrative but nah.
 

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Yeah. We get it "My father was a great wrestler and my family doesn't need to shoulder the blame of his actions in his final days." GREAT! WE AGREE! Literally say or do anything else.
 

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I recognize that someone close to him would find ways to defend him, it's the natural response to a loved one doing something unthinkable. I had a friend murder suicide his wife and anytime I think about the fun we had in elementary school I recognize that he fucking murdered his wife within seconds of his kids running out of the house and feel like a piece of shit. So then I look at his mom's FB page just trying to find some sort of rhyme, reason, or comfort and she's sharing his photos with his wife and kids. She has comments that Christmases aren't the same without them. The relatives share the sentiment. I check out the wife's family and they are raging about how a monster my friend was.

Anyone that did not know him personally should and would side with the wife's family and agree that he was a monster for murdering his wife. That he was a fun guy to be around when we were kids, irrelevant. That he was an amazing academic mind, could do advanced math with the best of them, IRRELEVANT! That in his adult job he was the best to ever did it. NO ONE CARES. He was a murderer.

That Chris Benoit had a world wide platform for his employment, where he was on of the best, we would invalidate him if he was in any field that wasn't entertainment. He was the plumber that fixed our toilet (ok that was Tony Anthony) and then he killed Daniel and Nancy, plumber social media wouldn't have guys going "yeah but have you ever seen the videos of how well he worked a plunger?"

I firmly believe that we should probably give a pass in our heart to the people that were close to Chris that still can't make sense of it and do things like defend him. I also believe that our fellow fans that pull a "yeah but" are out of line.

I'm sure my logic is flawed, but the last couple of days since that tweet got me worked up in my head. (probably less Benoit and more my M/S friend)
 

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We tend to think the best of our athletes and wrestlers and movie stars that we like and enjoy when we do not know if they are pieces of shit humans. Even before the final days of Benoit, he was likely a shit human according to the stories. He was great at his craft and one of the boys, so the boys talk about him fondly. It doesn’t change or excuse what he did, nor does their opinion really matter to me.

I can watch his matches but I think of his victims the entire time. It’s definitely not the same.
 

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He was of sound enough mind to fool his friends who were around him for thousands of hours

To plan his way back to Houston for the WWE PPV

To make up lies about why he wasn't at the house show in Beaumont


Benoit kept his story pretty straight until he hung himself. Plus, he gave himself all those problems by wrestling, so I dunno what to say. The murders were premeditated and he had tried to figure out ways to get away with it. I think it also turned out that Nancy might have been planning to leave him.

I don't have any problem watching his matches or anything but I don't understand why the internet would pile on someone who called him scum or pretty much anything else.
 

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Yeah. We get it "My father was a great wrestler and my family doesn't need to shoulder the blame of his actions in his final days." GREAT! WE AGREE! Literally say or do anything else.
...What else is he supposed to do? He works on an oil rig. No one is asking him about anything other than his dad. Like god damn man, his dad killed his half-brother and step-mom. WTF do you want from this guy?
 

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He was of sound enough mind to fool his friends who were around him for thousands of hours

To plan his way back to Houston for the WWE PPV

To make up lies about why he wasn't at the house show in Beaumont


Benoit kept his story pretty straight until he hung himself. Plus, he gave himself all those problems by wrestling, so I dunno what to say. The murders were premeditated and he had tried to figure out ways to get away with it. I think it also turned out that Nancy might have been planning to leave him.

I don't have any problem watching his matches or anything but I don't understand why the internet would pile on someone who called him scum or pretty much anything else.
"I don’t think Benoit could 100% hang with most of the present day best wrestlers. He would not be able to remember matches."

Is a stupid take that seems to be making light of all of his concussions (and thus the issue itself). You don't have to want to defend Benoit's legacy or anything to have issues with it.


As far as Benoit fooling his friends, I dunno I think these guys wanted to be fooled, in some cases are lying to this day to protect him (and his surviving family), and many of them are themselves not that bright. The kind of behavior that would be a red flag anywhere else was accepted as normal in wrestling. There's also the issue of just when Benoit began to degrade. I don't believe he was ever some kind of saint so I don't think its worth debating anymore.
 

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"I don’t think Benoit could 100% hang with most of the present day best wrestlers. He would not be able to remember matches."

Is a stupid take that seems to be making light of all of his concussions (and thus the issue itself). You don't have to want to defend Benoit's legacy or anything to have issues with it.
Having issues with the comments people make about murderers is kind of a big deal. He’s a murderer go ahead say whatever you want. if you waste your time responding to what she said then I’d sure call it defending Benoit.
 

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I think it's weird for people to be going out of their way to comment on it yeah, but I also don't fuck around with social media in the first place.

My main issue is you aren't likely to see these same people talking about Junior Seau or others who suffered from CTE. They only care about Benoit.
 

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Having issues with the comments people make about murderers is kind of a big deal. He’s a murderer go ahead say whatever you want. if you waste your time responding to what she said then I’d sure call it defending Benoit.
I don’t think this it true at all. That’s like someone saying MJ couldn’t sing and since he touched kids you could say whatever you want. You don’t have to defend his behaviour to know that statement is objectively wrong, and it doesn’t mean you’re defending the person.

He's said his dad deserves to go into the WWE Hall of Fame in the next few years. Even by the stunningly low standards of the professional wrestling industry, his delusion and lack of self awareness is painful!

I'm not saying my girl Jordynne's criticism wasn't misguided but the fact that THIS is what caused her to reassess her cancel culture vulture status is wild. Only in wrestling!
Bro you are obsessed with judging and shaming people over literally nothing. The amount of trauma and confusion this kid went through is something nobody here can comprehend. If Nancy’s sister can have a loving familial relationship with this guy, then I think people here should check themselves.
 

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I probably am being too harsh on David and probably should refocus on criticism on wrestling media which trots him out once every 1-2 years.

But even then you could say Chris Van Vliet and those types are just helping David process his grief and try and remember the good times.


I am trying to be a more empathetic person and posting here makes it difficult sometimes!!!
 

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Also I love Jordynne Grace (and am not judging or shaming ) but she is really quick to stand on a moral soapbox considering her and Jonathan Gresham’s ages when they started dating!
 

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Maybe I failed to see it after trying to read through all this but Benoit was one of the most savage backstage ribbers, I've read. Dude could well have been the worst of wrestling from the start, just in ways we never saw on camera.
 

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I also don't think enough has been made of the fact that there was a history of domestic abuse in Chris & Nancy's relationship and she almost left him four years earlier. So you can't necessarily blame it all on him having a breakdown after Eddie died.


I guess it's just hard for some people to grasp that Benoit could have been a great wrestler, wonderful with Make A Wish Kids, and at times a great family man but also an abusive husband, a bully, and someone who only laughed when people hurt and/or threw up on themselves.

In any case, I hope this serves at a lesson that you shouldn't say "Well I never thought they were good anyway!" RE: controversial performers! I have no idea what anyone who says that is trying to accomplish. No one needs your hot takes at this time!
 

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Also I love Jordynne Grace (and am not judging or shaming ) but she is really quick to stand on a moral soapbox considering her and Jonathan Gresham’s ages when they started dating!
I looked this up and saw that she said that she hit on him before she was 18 but that he refused to date her until she was of age. I know Woke Twitter is full of age gap discourse that would declare their relationship wrong regardless but once someone crosses that line into the age of majority I think we should just let it be. The line exists for a reason. And I fully support all of Leonardo DiCaprio’s dating choices.
 

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I probably am being too harsh on David and probably should refocus on criticism on wrestling media which trots him out once every 1-2 years.

But even then you could say Chris Van Vliet and those types are just helping David process his grief and try and remember the good times.


I am trying to be a more empathetic person and posting here makes it difficult sometimes!!!
I get that last part bro, but it takes a lot to admit you’re wrong. Respect.
 

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Same lovely people who put up that Leena thread also have one on Bix, it seems.

I'm always fascinated, and perpetually saddened, that most of the Benoit hatred stems from people thinking their favorite wrestler betrayed them instead of him literally murdering his wife and child.
 
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