Gay Marriage + LGBT General News and Discussion Thread - Part 2

[NoCalMike]

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Well I sort of see your point as far as secular folks go.

Hell, even most folks I know who were married in a church/temple/mosque etc etc barely if at all believe in said religion, they were either just doing it to appease the older generations in their family or because they just liked the ceremony itself, but the notion that they were "marrying in the eyes of god" itself was laughable.

 

[Jingus]

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Hell, even most folks I know who were married in a church/temple/mosque etc etc barely if at all believe in said religion, they were either just doing it to appease the older generations in their family or because they just liked the ceremony itself, but the notion that they were "marrying in the eyes of god" itself was laughable.

Ditto, if I ever got married. I don't wanna just go down to the courthouse and get a certificate, I want an actual ceremony, hopefully a really elaborate & pretty one. Churches and temples are great for that sort of thing, and they provide an extra feeling of gravity and seriousness which help add to the momentous nature of the occasion. Plus, my parents would literally whine for the rest of their lives if I got married in not-a-church. So yeah, I'd do it, even though I'm an angry atheist. But yeah, it would basically have absolutely no religious meaning whatsoever for me.

 

[tekcop]

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Ain't no church coming close to my elaborate wedding.

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

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I revere Elvis Presley more than god, so that's why I got married in Vegas

 

[Edwin]

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GAYMENMARRYING, I don't follow about marriage not being legally binding in your scenario. Just in the sense of shared benefits/etc. being established by the default contract? The rest makes sense.

I look forward to my wholly secular wedding, especially the reactions of my future father-in-law* and brother-in-law. I'm not sure if they'll be more pissed about the lack of fervent Opus Dei supplication or the fact that we invited a lot of homos.

*(Future father-in-law was a showstopper at my fiancee's sister's wedding a couple weeks ago, showing up at the ceremony with a previously unannounced huge crucifix and holding it while he walked her down the aisle. This shit was seriously metal, like at least a foot and a half long and looking all black and thorny and wrath of god and shit. I'll see if I can get some pictures of me pretending to fuck myself with it when she and her now-husband get back from Hawaii.)

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

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There's no contract. No paperwork or lawyers. Two (or more) people decide they want to get married, have the ceremony that makes them happy and soldifies their commitment, then they live as husbands/wives. I can't imagine anything more simple or fair.

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

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You guys set a date yet? Dance with some homos at the reception and have your wife film her dad/brother.

 

[Incandenza]

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[Edwin]

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You guys set a date yet? Dance with some homos at the reception and have your wife film her dad/brother.

It's in October. I bet her dad's just gonna face the corner like at the end of Blair Witch Project.

I guess the lack of legal contract could work, but the current setup does at least provide a basic framework and definition for some of the benefits of being family--hospital visitation, ability to receive a spouse's retirement benefits if he/she dies, ability to be a dependent on a spouse's health care plan, and all the other things that DOMA restricted--that I think are less questionable or arbitrary than stuff like jointly filing taxes. Legal marital status is useful in governing those rules, and I could see us actually heading to a messier and more litigious state of affairs absent the contractual aspect.

 

[Agent of Oblivion]

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Can I crash your wedding as @GAYMENFUCKING? I'll show up in a cowboy suit, chat up free markets with your father/brother in law, then casually hit on them after we've shared some laughs.

 

[Edwin]

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Grow a Lemmy horseshoe stache and they'll never see your lean Texas cocksmanship coming.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

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Random notes and tidbits and shit...

Mike Huckabee reacts to DOMA Strike Down

I'm simple enough to believe that a marriage of one man and one woman not only is the only biological combination capable of creating the next generation, but in the context of a monogamous and committed relationship, it's the best context for children to learn how to replace their parents.

Fail #1: What about marriages who can't have kids? Obviously not a "real" biological combination to create the next generation.
Fail #2: What about the divorce rates? Better to have divorces of straight couples so kids can grow up traumatized over gay marriage?

Montana Views Shifting

Bennett called the debate that led to the passage of SB107 “very divisive,” but noted that the bill did receive support from representatives who are “pretty darn conservative.”

“One that stands out to me is Rep. Duane Ankney (R-Colstrip),” Bennett said. “He stood up and gave incredible testimony about how one of his children was a lesbian and how he believes she is no different than his sons, and how he would never want to see her treated differently.”

Judge orders Michigan to stop[/ur] enforcing ban through community colleges & other agencies of same sex benefits

And the ruling could point the way, lawyers suggested, for gay employees of public colleges in other states without gay marriage to push for benefits. When some of those states barred gay marriage, they also barred any benefits from going to the partners of gay employees.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

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The California Supreme Court has rejected the requests put forth by backers of Prop. 8 to halt same-sex marriage in California.

Meeting in closed session, the state high court rejected arguments by ProtectMarriage, Proposition 8’s sponsors, that only an appellate court could overturn a statewide law.

A federal judge in San Francisco declared Proposition 8 unconstitutional in 2010, and state officials refused to appeal. ProtectMarriage did appeal, but the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that initiative sponsors have no right to defend their measures in federal court. The decision left in place the ruling by retired Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn R. Walker.

In its challenge before the state’s highest court, ProtectMarriage argued that a single judge lacked the authority to overturn a state constitutional amendment. The group also contended that Walker’s injunction applied to two counties at most and that state officials had overstepped their authority by ordering county clerks throughout California to issue same-sex marriage licenses.

State officials countered that the challenge was a veiled attempt to persuade a state court to interfere with a federal judge’s order in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/#ixzz2c8o1iCRT

 

[NoCalMike]

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Wasn't marriage originally introduced as a union because women were considered a man's property?

This whole "because a it's the only way children can be produced" is about as stupid a red herring as it gets.

And anytime someone uses the phrase "Traditional marriage" I suppose they will want to cherry pick which era of the "tradition" that helps support their argument the most, ignoring any further origins of the institution.

 

[BruiserBrody]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGwU2KxENA

 

[snuffbox]

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/george-hw-bush-witness-sex-wedding-20375642

Very cool.

 

[NoCalMike]

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Imagine 20 years from now when the term "gay marriage" will pretty much be forgotten, and it will just be considered marriage.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

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Berkeley City Council dismisses proposal to close city’s domestic partnership registry

The revised proposal, submitted by Councilmember Darryl Moore after public backlash against his original recommendation, dropped the motion to close the registry and instead suggested celebrating the registry’s 22-year anniversary by declaring Oct. 11 Marriage Equality Day.

The City Council established the Berkeley Domestic Partnership Registry in 1991 as a means of helping same-sex couples and opposite-sex unmarried couples obtain the same benefits as married couples.

Gay Wyoming: Life After Matthew Shepard Interesting read considering the national implications that resulted from Shepard's death.

Concord, NH Crowns Transgender Homecoming King Awww

His dad told him he was okay with Ramsey’s decision and would take him to the doctor and support him in any way possible. Ramsey began talking with his doctors about surgical options last fall. Right now he is still physically a girl, but he plans on going through hormone treatments and possible gender reassignment surgery in the future. That same day, as Ramsey and his father sat in their truck, his father addressed how much times have changed.

“He goes, ‘You know, can you imagine if you had been born like 20 years ago? What would be going on? Would you still be like this?’ ” Ramsey said. “I was like, ‘I probably would, just not as publicly.’ ”

When Ray was crowned Homecoming King last weekend, his dad was there: Standing there, his dad grabbed him by the shoulders, looked him in the eye and said, “I am so proud of you.”

“And I just lost it,” said Ray, recalling the moment.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

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NJ State Supreme Court rules state must begin allowing gay marriages.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

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Virginia gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli's abysmal and hateful position on gay people and gay rights were brought up by opponent Terry McAuliffe in a debate last week at Virginia Tech

McAuliffe pointed out his Republican rival once described gay Virginians as “soulless human beings” in response to a question during an Oct. 24 debate at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg that Roanoke television station WDBJ sponsored.

“Who talks like that,” McAuliffe said. “There’s somebody in this audience who might be gay or has a friend who’s gay. You cannot grow and diversify our economy with this mean-spirited language.”

A Washington Post/Abt SRBI poll unveiled on Monday shows McAuliffe ahead of Cuccinelli by a 51-39 percent margin among likely Virginia voters.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

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Illinois jumping on the gay train.

 

[BorneAgain]

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/hawaii-house-committees-pass-marriage-equality-bill-after-fi

Hawaii's bill has already passed the senate and will likely pass the house.

 

[Damaramu]

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My state will be the last to adopt gay marriage and it'll do so kicking and screaming. *sigh*

 

[snuffbox]

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Wisconsin will remain a colder Oklahoma until we figure out how to vote.

 

[Jingus]

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My state will be the last to adopt gay marriage and it'll do so kicking and screaming. *sigh*

Texas here will race y'all backwards.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

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Greece and Lithuania may be forced to allow civil unions...

A separate ruling was issued by the European Court of Human Rights, which is separate from the EU and has jurisdiction over 47 countries, including Russia and Turkey. That court said that countries that legally recognize relationships outside marriage, such as civil unions, must extend that option to same-sex couples. That ruling could force legal changes in Greece and Lithuania, which currently permit civil unions only for heterosexual couples...

The Strasbourg-based court said that the Greek government failed to explain convincingly why such unions shouldn't be open to same-sex partnerships. The court noted that, in 17 of the 19 European countries with legal alternatives to marriage, those unions also included gay couples.

Oh, Kansas... boys can't bring purses because that's too feminine/gay.

Thirteen-year old Skylar Davis of Garnett, Kansas was suspended from school yesterday for wearing a Vera Bradley purse to Anderson County Senior-Junior School and refusing to take it off.

Skylar has been wearing the bag since school started in August. School officials have not had a problem with the bag until yesterday. Though the school has not issued a statement regarding Skylar's suspension, he was told not to return to school until he stops wearing the purse, something he does not intend to do.

"I was a little furious, and I called the school [and spoke to Assistant Principal Don Hillard] to reverify the story, and yeah, he refused to take off his Vera Bradley bag, nothing more to do it," [Skylar's mother, Leslie Willis] said.

She said she reviewed the student handbook but did not see a mention to bags or purses. She questions the suspension and the timing.

 

[snuffbox]

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Would be ok if he agreed to punch the purse?

 

[HarleyQuinn]

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So much for some Southern states really supporting the men & women that protect America.

Texas & 5 Other States Still Refusing to Process Benefits for Gay Couples

Texas is one of six states refusing to comply with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel’s order that gay spouses of National Guard members be given the same federal marriage benefits as heterosexual spouses.

But Pentagon officials say that in addition to Texas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma and West Virginia have balked. Each has cited a conflict with state laws that do not recognize same-sex marriages.

The military grants a range of significant benefits to the spouses of active-duty guardsmen, including the right to enroll in the military’s health insurance program and to obtain a higher monthly housing allowance. Spouse IDs allow unescorted access to bases with their lower-priced commissaries.

Officials in the six states say they are not preventing same-sex spouses from getting benefits, because those couples can register and receive IDs through federal bases. But those officials conceded that many couples would have to travel hours round trip to the nearest federal installation. Advocates for gay service members, though, fear that some benefits offered on bases, like support services for relatives of deployed service members, could still be blocked.

Moreover, gay spouses say that in an age that saw the scrapping of the military’s ban on openly gay service members, it is discriminatory — and humiliating — to have to jump through extra hoops to receive benefits.

Marriage Equality Nearly Assured in Hawai'i!

The state Senate on Tuesday will agree to the state House's version of a marriage equality bill and send it to Gov. Neil Abercrombie for his signature.

Sen. Clayton Hee (D, Heeia-Laie-Waialua), the chairman of the Senate Judiciary and Labor Committee, announced today that he would recommend that the Senate accept the House's changes to the bill, which expanded a religious exemption.

Abercrombie is expected to sign the marriage equality bill into law shortly after he receives it from the Senate. If Abercrombie signs the bill before Nov. 20, Hawaii would be the 15th state plus the District of Columbia to allow same-sex couples to marry. Gov. Pat Quinn of Illinois has announced that he would sign a marriage equality bill into law at a ceremony in Chicago on Nov. 20.

Same-sex couples would be allowed to marry starting on December 2.

 

[2GOLD]

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Texas has made it clear even if gay marriage becomes the law of the USA, they will balk and say their laws mean more and that the rule doesn't apply to them. Since Texas seems 100% sure they are their own country.

 

[Damaramu]

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Texas has made it clear even if gay marriage becomes the law of the USA, they will balk and say their laws mean more and that the rule doesn't apply to them. Since Texas seems 100% sure they are their own country.

It's not their law dawg....it's the law of GOD!!!