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RIP Van Hammer

I saw his match with Foley from Clash, I thought he showed good potential even considering the carry job. Of course it never worked out, shame he died so young.
 
Springing for Epic said:
No, I believe he was just an auxiliary member and ally of Raven.
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It's murky, but no. Kanyon was never an official member of the Flock.

Mortis approached Raven and asked if he could join the Flock, to which Raven said he could...if he beat Goldberg. That obviously didn't happen, so Raven and the Flock attacked him and put him out.

For the next month or so, Raven was attacked by various people disguised as the WCW road crew, vendors, etc. It came to a head at Slamboree '98 when one of the security guards that Raven had around him following Spring Stampede attacked and took off his helmet to reveal...Mortis. Who then unmasked and revealed himself as the unknown assailant.

Over the next month, Saturn and Raven had regular falling out moments, and Kanyon eventually allied with Raven for reason (?), but was never a full member of the Flock.
 

Watching this I wonder if switching Scott Steiner and JJ's spots in the pecking order would have been the right move. Big Papa Pump as the world champ center piece and JJ in his rightful place as the #2 champ.
Russo and JJ both shitting on JR here is lame as hell. Get your own shit over. Don't worry about the beloved announcer on the other channel.
LOL at Bam Bam being in the new blood. Of course he debuted slightly before Douglas and JJ.

Skip and Bagwell were the only 2 champs who didn't debut before 1990 for that matter.

The old guys get their heat back in the first segment. Double J is calling Russo an idiot less than an hour into the show.

First match has old man Hogan kick the ass of the New Blood's Stan Stasiak while saving Mr. Perfect

Kidman looks ridiculous trying to be the heel vs Hogan.

The announcers have a huge pile of notes to keep track of all of this BS.

Kronic kicks the Mamalukes ass. Kevin Nash kicks Mike Awesome's ass. Hogan kicks Kidman's ass when he finally finds him. (HE WAS BY THE HUMMER!) He literally throws Kidman into a dumpster. Can you smell the money the next PPV is going to draw??!?!?!?!

Shane Douglas talks about having heat with Ric Flair for 7 years - I'm sure most of the audience went HUH?

Terry Taylor shows up for work with 20 minutes left in the show.

Scott Steiner signs the open contract to face Dubba J in the main event. New Blood explodes! Feel the tension. They've been friends for almost 7 days!

WTF? Steiner was still using Steinerline as his theme here? Booker T runs in to save the belt for JJ as he is the reluctant face aligned with the heels

The final segment of Nitro is even more Hogan as he chases ATM Eric to the ring. And he kicks Bischoff's ass as the show ends... but wait Bret Hart is here. He holds up the chair but the show ends before we find out who he'll hit.

So the new era was still the Hulk Hogan show.
 
BruiserBrody said:
He was 31 when he debuted in WCW. That may explain why a 6'6 roid guy didn't get a look by the WWF when he left WCW for a bit in 95-97.

I forgot he won the shoot WCW arm wrestling tourney in 92 over Nash, Vader, and Step it to Ron
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yeah he was older when he started. To put it in perspective he was actually older than Barry Windham.
 
Excuse me, that's FUNB Terry Bollea

Honestly he should've done this rebrand to the grittier street fighter character in 1995 instead of the goofy Darkside of Hulkamania stuff he did with the Phantom of the opera mask and him and Macho hanging with street performers. It was too late by 2000, and it felt just lame to me.
 
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The FUNB thing was always so funny to me. It just felt embarrassing. And despite being a staunch WCW hater, I was actually really interested in the New Blood stuff and thought it could be really interesting.

He should've changed his finish at least. Kidman taking an axe bomber like a shotgun blast would've been a bright spot.
 
Lmao

And, I would've liked Funboy Terry Bollea where he's like Chris Pontius' Party Boy more than FUNB Terry Bollea.
 
Valeyard said:
The FUNB thing was always so funny to me. It just felt embarrassing. And despite being a staunch WCW hater, I was actually really interested in the New Blood stuff and thought it could be really interesting.

He should've changed his finish at least. Kidman taking an axe bomber like a shotgun blast would've been a bright spot.
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New Blood should've happened a 1-3 years earlier tbh. Like Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Perry Saturn, Malenko, Raven, The Giant, and tons more guys I'm forgetting that would've made the New Blood vs Millionaires Club angle amazing were gone. Could've ended up making that NWO that reformed on the Fingerpoke Nitro into the Millionaire's Club and started building up young guys to be apart of the New Blood to stop them,


The roster was depleted in April 2000. I thought Kidman was an awesome worker in 98-99, but he just didn't have it to be a main event guy. Looked ridiculous against Hogan. Vampiro was a guy I'm glad they went with, but he had the worst storylines. I thought the matches where he actually got to work without bullshit were good. But, then another guy that got tons of screen time as a New Blood was a washed up Shane Douglas.
 
Kidman could've gotten over more but he had no business dealing with Hogan. But a year earlier in a feud with Bret? He could be someone.

Part of the allure the New Blood angle had for me is that these were people I barely, or outright didn't, know for a the most part. I saw guys like Jindrak and O'Haire not only look like superstars but win titles and it seemed like a step in the right direction. Then you have Hogan and Flair and the others all against these freaks (excluding Meat and the cruisers) and it really made them look ancient. But yeah, at least a year earlier it should've been the Revolution doing all the same things. You can even add Power Plant dudes.
 
The problem was the old guys were drawing until mid-99 so it was hard to move away from their pat hand. Nash is literally asked Hogan at Road Wild 98 (IIRC) to step into a lower role to help elevate others (which was Nashism for Kevin Nash beating Goldberg) Hogan stroked his beard and said "That'll cost me lots of money" and that was that. Somehow Nash beat out Hogan in the "I get to beat Goldberg" sweepstakes so Hogan "retired" to avoid the upper midcard and Nash got to beat Goldy. Then they allegedly made peace by doing the finger point of doom to avoid Nash having to lose and Hogan got his belt back.

It's kind of hilarious the Hogan "Why I rule the World" VHS reveals that in back to back years Hogan beat Savage for the World title via Nash interference.

So let's say Russo does the hard reset at Mayhem. Sting/Hogan (sigh) are in the middle of a world title feud when he's hired.

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It's almost 2000 and Booker T is back to dicking around with Harlem Heat instead of continuing to move up the singles ranks.
Goldy vs Sid was good shit and Goldy beating Sid into a bloody mess ruled.
Russo finally moved Bret into the World title picture when he wasn't there as dressing for Hogan.
Since Goldy has the US title, there's no fast track for Eddy or Beniot or Booker (or Big Poppa Pump) for that spot.
Send Luger to WCW Sat Night and eat that contract as a L as he stars in his own universe since he will whine about jobs.
Kanyon should get moved up. He was getting there with his tag with DDP but Page is working Flair here.
Send Rick Steiner to Sat Night duty.
Flair at least is willing to put guys over so he can stick around to work with the younger guys.
Konnan? back to Mexico or WCW Sat Night duty.
Drunk Scott Hall is a double champ and still doing main event run ins under Russo.
Hogan and Nash are still there to hinder with their backstage power.
 
It still amazes me how quickly they got so many regular weekly followers to almost completely tune out. I either watched or taped Nitro every week well into 1998. There was time to right the ship in 1999 and get their audience back. Too late by 2000.

Adding more big names to Sat Night like that could've worked...the idea of it as a C show was good one. Thunder could've been a good thing too.

Were there any ways WCW could've leveraged more cooperation from Hogan, Nash, etc? Bischoff was able to talk Turner into spending money but that didn't matter when it was transitioning to AOL. Maybe if Flair and others had been better rewarded for putting people over. Would saying something like "you'll be on the shelf for 24 months, off TV, good luck on your next contract, Flair's ending The Streak" get through the ego fog?
 
Brocklock said:
But, then another guy that got tons of screen time as a New Blood was a washed up Shane Douglas.
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I said it in my ECW reviews, but that brief period in 1999 where Douglas worked as a tough guy face was maybe the most enjoyable he'd ever been, bell-to-bell. He really could have gotten a few more years out of his career if he didn't insist on being a) a raging asshole, and b) a raging asshole heel.
 
Big Papa Paegan said:
I said it in my ECW reviews, but that brief period in 1999 where Douglas worked as a tough guy face was maybe the most enjoyable he'd ever been, bell-to-bell. He really could have gotten a few more years out of his career if he didn't insist on being a) a raging asshole, and b) a raging asshole heel.
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I do remember Shane busting ass during that final run in ECW. He had a surprisingly great brawl with Justin Credible, a solid Title change match with Taz, and looked good in that PPV tag match with Dreamer. But, he looked so much more bloated and older to me by the time he got to WCW. I know he was around the same age as the rest of The Revolution, he just seemed older than his actual age to me.

Especially in 2000, he worked like he was 50 years older than he was in those ECW matches the previous year.
 
Shane aged rapidly, ironically very Flair like. He had absolutely nothing to offer in any kind of meaningful in ring role. That being said, even shitty 2000 Hogan/Douglas appeals to me in a morbid way. More than Kidman, for sure.

And you know who deserves more credit in 2000? Terry Funk. He had no business putting in that level of work for where he was. Poor guy was probably a top five worker that year.
 
I am watching the Hogan doc on my CPU with the Nitro after the fingerpoke of doom on in the background for ambience. Hennig is wearing a blue suit and tie as the rest of the nWo are all in black and white or black and red in various forms. I guess it worked to make him stand out in its own way.

- Raven and "Jim" are at his house to set up a Piper feud that never happened, lest someone new get over.
- ATM Eric is trying his damnest to be Vince here by making himself the center of a show long series of skits with Ric Flair as the face Prez making him do manual labor.
- Somehow Goldberg getting screwed out of the title, the rematch and getting a mass beat down did not lead to Hogan vs Goldy at the PPV
- Hogan and Nash are both not wrestling on the PPV. TV champ Scott Steiner is not on the PPV. Nor is US champ Bret Hart. There is also no World tag title match...and hadn't been on PPV since Havoc. Awesome booking by Nash.
- We do get Van Hammer vs Finlay and Mike Enos vs Benoit on the PPV though.
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- I turned on the volume to listen to the Giant since he had one foot in the WWF by this point. They kicked Konnan out of the nWo on this Nitro and the Giant apparently left the nWo last week on Thunder. The announcers put over Nash vs Giant tonight by pointing out this match is stale as hell and we've seen them feud before.
- If Flair is president why is the nWo and their 34 members still ransacking the WCW shows and talent every 10 mins?
- LMAO 2 seconds after I typed that Schiavone on commentary asked why the nWo is running BS on WCW shows.
- They have 200 nWo members but Scott Hall needed Wrath to interfere to help him beat Bigelow.
-The Giant is about to head to the WWF but he kicks Hall and Nash's ass by himself.
- Nash uses a Hammer to KO the Giant for the win.
- The nWo come out for the 23rd time tonight to end the show

This was apparently the go home show for the PPV to boot.
 
I liked all that stuff at the time too. Like when Flair made Bischoff rejoin the announcers, and he had to work under Tony Schiavone. Tony was pretty amusing with his bossiness.

No idea if it holds up though, but I thought the Flair goes crazy and ends up in an Insane Asylum stuff after that was hilarious too. And, it was so absurd and weird that it held up for me when I was rewatching those Nitros a few years ago.
 
Enos/Benoit is good, though. Enos was mad underrated.

WCW just gets so brutal to sit through.
 
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