The Meltzer Thread

[Fall of Epic]

https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1104762622690222082

Expect more tweets like this in the coming days. He pretty much gave all of his detractors gold.

 

[Finnisher]

https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1104762622690222082

Expect more tweets like this in the coming days. His pretty much gave all of his detractors gold.

To be fair, he’s been handing out gold for a while. From his shamelesss NJPW shilling, to his ridiculous star system that he can’t even explain, to his inability to get through a sentence, whether its verbally or in writing. There’s just so much material out there.

The guy is a complete joke and people are finally starting to wake up to it.

 

[SFH]

But does anyone hate Metlzer as much as Corny hates Russo?

I know Bischoff and Pritchard are pretty much staunchest of the "Fuck Dave Meltzer" camp.

 

[Valeyard]

I'd much rather know the numbers on people who pay for his content and their hate for themselves.

 

[909]

To be fair, he’s been handing out gold for a while. From his shamelesss NJPW shilling

To be fair, this is something definitely worth shilling. It's just the amount of it from him that makes it hard for people to believe.

 

[Finnisher]

But does anyone hate Metlzer as much as Corny hates Russo?

I know Bischoff and Pritchard are pretty much staunchest of the "Fuck Dave Meltzer" camp.

Idk about hate but Russo makes fun of him regularly on his “Castrating the Marks” show. If you can get over Russo’s accent and quirky speech habits, its actually pretty funny. The Meltzer clips that get on that show are beyond embarrassingly funny.

To be fair, he’s been handing out gold for a while. From his shamelesss NJPW shilling

To be fair, this is something definitely worth shilling. It's just the amount of it from him that makes it hard for people to believe.

Eh, I’m personally not a fan but I don’t mind the shilling per se. Its a great product for those that like that sort of presentation.

Its this facade of “impartial journalist” that he puts on, when he’s obviously in the tank for both NJPW and The Elite, is what bothers most people. That and the ridiculous things he’s said in comparing NJPW wrestlers to certain all time greats.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Some of the NJPW wrestlers deserve it like Tanahashi and Okada. Others like Omega don't. Also, we've always been willing to shit on Meltzer we just do it when its appropriate not when he's calling out a company that's never turned a profit in it's existence for being what it is.

 

[SFH]

I do want to say, some of the reports, his writing style, is very similar to an autistic Russian journalist from Chicago I met (he came to the USA in the 90s, established roots, and made friends with my friends and we met at a party). Nice person when not being a reporter but has zero concept of couth or manners when it comes to writing, both professionally or on a personal blog. And his spiraling defensiveness when called out on bullshit matches Dave.

There are no private conversations. At least Dave says "sources." This dude uses "sources" in his professional writing but on whatever is livejournal these days he'll quote you directly as saying another person blah blah... unintentional drama due to lack of depth on social nuance. Not his fault no one ever worked with him on this. I wonder if anyone ever sat down with Dave and told him to not be a misogynist?

 

[strummer]

Meltzer has said some terrible things the last while which he absolutely should have got killed for but I don't really think he's "worthless" and should retire like some people are saying. He's terribly socially awkward and has severe trouble getting his points across but just listen to his series on the Lapsed Fan or his historical pieces. He thrives in those situations. He should keep doing what he's still good at.

Also his style of criticizing wrestling is seen as archaic by a bunch of new fans who don't watch every second of every show and basically just watch to have fun. Dave and Bryan still analyze wrestling like it's 2003 while a bunch of teens and 20 somethings just watch clips on YouTube the next day and don't understand what he's complaining about. I think a lot of it is a generational gap to a degree

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Dave is certainly not worthless yeah. His bios for the HOF and obits when wrestlers pass are always fantastic. The twitter stuff has been the big thing that has damaged Dave's "legacy" in my eyes and I think a lot of peoples. He's decided the best way to attract subscribers is to be a troll and doesn't care about how it makes him look. That's fine if all he cares about is the money but it hurts his credibility as a journalist which is something he always used to be very protective of.

 

[CookieMueller]

But why do people get all bent out of shape about him? Of course he's not a god damn oncologist, don't listen to his medical "facts" or opinions on the tit size of the female wrestlers. He's the TMZ of wrestling, he's right about NEWZ most of the time but when he gets editorial just move the fuck on. He's not the only wrestling journalist anymore either so you can completely ignore him if you so choose. The minute he reports something factual (ie a contractual thing or a behind the scenes situation) it spreads like wildfire anyway.

 

[JHawk]

But why do people get all bent out of shape about him? Of course he's not a god damn oncologist, don't listen to his medical "facts" or opinions on the tit size of the female wrestlers. He's the TMZ of wrestling, he's right about NEWZ most of the time but when he gets editorial just move the fuck on. He's not the only wrestling journalist anymore either so you can completely ignore him if you so choose. The minute he reports something factual (ie a contractual thing or a behind the scenes situation) it spreads like wildfire anyway.

This.

Also, I've seen people try to use things to prove Meltzer wrong that either he didn't report, or that he credited somebody else for in the first place.

Then there was some guy on Twitter who replied to a tweet about his friendship with Wally Yamaguchi with "He was alive, but plans changed" because the death of a friend is the perfect time to troll somebody.

 

[Valeyard]

Technically not incorrect, though.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Dave is far and away still the most important journalist/reporter in wrestling so people are going to pay a huge amount of attention to what he says and does. I wouldn't say I've ever been outraged by Dave's shit but I've been annoyed and offended but I don't think about it once I sign off the computer. I think that's how the vast majority of people are.

There's always gonna be people on social media who go too far and Dave has encouraged it to some degree by responding to them over and over and feeding into the stupidity.

 

[Super Leather]

Meltzer is becoming increasingly outmoded by the smart-fan culture he helped to cultivate. Sad to see him losing relevance and credibility, but his ideas on how to stay in the game lately are not the best course to take for a respected wrestling journalist.

I've always valued his reporting of the facts and knowledge of history, but don't always take his view of how wrestling should be presented seriously.

 

[Finnisher]

Some of the NJPW wrestlers deserve it like Tanahashi and Okada. Others like Omega don't. Also, we've always been willing to shit on Meltzer we just do it when its appropriate not when he's calling out a company that's never turned a profit in it's existence for being what it is.

At the risk of derailing this into a totally different discussion, I don’t wanna go too far into the weeds, but I don’t know how a Tanahashi or Okada deserve to be in the same conversation (universe) as a Hogan or Austin when it comes to any measureable objective measure that isn’t how many stars received from Meltzer.

But why do people get all bent out of shape about him? Of course he's not a god damn oncologist, don't listen to his medical "facts" or opinions on the tit size of the female wrestlers. He's the TMZ of wrestling, he's right about NEWZ most of the time but when he gets editorial just move the fuck on. He's not the only wrestling journalist anymore either so you can completely ignore him if you so choose. The minute he reports something factual (ie a contractual thing or a behind the scenes situation) it spreads like wildfire anyway.

I guess the same reason why people like to troll anyone else who acts like a holier than thou arrogant ass. Personally, my main beef with him is his insistence to use his platform to settle personal scores and drive his personal narrative mascarading it as objective reporting. That and he never corrects himself when proven wrong.

 

[Big Papa Paegan]

I like how people suddenly turn on Meltzer and agree with renowned lying pieces of shit like Russo, Prichard, and Bischoff. That's my contribution.

 

[Finnisher]

I like how people suddenly turn on Meltzer and agree with renowned lying pieces of shit like Russo, Prichard, and Bischoff. That's my contribution.

I mean, you’re not wrong, but that doesn’t mean Meltzer isn’t one.

He’s been hitting them for years. They’re hitting back now. The fact that Meltzer’s idiocy has people agreeing with those three says more about Meltzer quite frankly.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Yeah I don;t think most of us believe those guys at all. Nor has this been a sudden turn at all.

 

[909]

I like how people suddenly turn on Meltzer and agree with renowned lying pieces of shit like Russo, Prichard, and Bischoff. That's my contribution.

I don't know what those pieces of shit are even saying.

 

[JHawk]

If anybody thinks Meltzer is never wrong, they're full of it.

If they think Meltzer never admits to being wrong, they're full of it.

Star ratings are subjective and if he thinks New Japan is better than WWE, so be it.

If the reason they think Meltzer is a liar is because Eric Bischoff said so, I feel sorry for them since Bischoff has changed stories more than some people change clothes.

 

[Finnisher]

Regarding the star ratings, he’s been made to look like a blithering idiot every time he’s been asked to explain his criteria or what made his 6 star match better then his 5 star match.

And all he has to do is say what you said... its subjective and I’m grading it on what I personally like. But he’ll never do that because he’s busy trying to cultivate his end all, be all, know it all image.

The guy has diluted himself into thinking that he’s some kind of big time celebrity. You ever hear him talk about how the cashier at Hot Topic recognized him? Dear god.

 

[JHawk]

The guy has diluted himself into thinking that he’s some kind of big time celebrity. You ever hear him talk about how the cashier at Hot Topic recognized him? Dear god.

No. I like Bryan Alvarez personally but I can't stand his voice for anything more than short spurts so I rarely listen to the radio shows unless they're interviewing someone I'm interested in. I stick to reading the Observer and occasionally asking Meltzer a question via the Twitter.

 

[Fall of Epic]

It's fine to dislike Meltzer and point out his flaws. He's absolutely crossed the line before by saying stupid shit just like everyone else. He's also been wrong on several things that he, much like his detractors, is too stubborn to admit.

My problem are the people thinking he has no merit at all and has always been a conman. Fucking LOL to that. The dude was and still is essential to the wrestling business and the majority of the people will always take his word, whether valid or not, as gospel in breaking news in every single company. Every other "'rasslin journalist" gets a large portion of their information from Dave. Every single wrestling website will have news taken directly from the Observer. I get that Bischoff hates him for all the shit he's said about him over the years but his line "he's always been a scam artist" is laughable.

And on the star rating thing. He certainly over-exaggerates but I look at stuff like that and say "woah buddy, it wasn't quite at that level but it was still pretty good". The problem are others drawing battle lines either going "OMG WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT WAS THE BEST MATCH EVER" to "Lol, that shit was weak. Meltzer's an idiot, NJPW shill". While I don't think something like the Omega/Okada series are the best set of matches to ever occur inside a wrestling ring, can't we all just agree that at the very least, it was very good?

 

[909]

Regarding the star ratings, he’s been made to look like a blithering idiot every time he’s been asked to explain his criteria or what made his 6 star match better then his 5 star match.

And all he has to do is say what you said... its subjective and I’m grading it on what I personally like. But he’ll never do that because he’s busy trying to cultivate his end all, be all, know it all image.

The guy has diluted himself into thinking that he’s some kind of big time celebrity. You ever hear him talk about how the cashier at Hot Topic recognized him? Dear god.

Cyrus go back where you came from BUD

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Been waiting to do that for a while but had to give him due process.

 

[Bret "Hitman" Hart]

I support this banning.

 

[vivisectvi]

 

[Baby Shoes]

https://twitter.com/RealStevieRay/status/1105596885467836416

 

[Mik]

Dave claims it was a joke. He's definitely running afoul of a lot of people lately.